WEBVTT - Bringing Back The Dead 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.680 From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:09.080 riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:11.119 learn this stuff they don't want you to know. 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:13.920 A production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:27.480 Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:28.280 my name is Noah. 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:31.840 They called me Bed. We're joined as always with our 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:35.879 super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:39.680 are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:42.680 they don't want you to know. Now, to be honest, 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:46.159 for anybody who is listening on your podcast platform of 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:50.440 choice or tuning in to Netflix, your faithful and hopefully 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:56.840 favorite host just got off a very trippy exploration of 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:59.840 a bizarre trend that we have been noticing more and 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:05.840 more of late. Simply put, technological breakthroughs are creating products, goods, 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:10.039 and services that in practice get really close to the 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:16.080 old mythology, folklore and legends of times past. Right. I 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:17.880 think we all had a lot of fun with that one. 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:21.800 Well, yeah, we're already taking ourselves like towards the whole 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:26.000 the mummy trends with our brand new GLP ones. We 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:30.120 were like pre mummifying ourselves. So now, oh, dear. 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:37.640 Yeah, okay, right yeah. In that previous episode, is technology 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:41.920 making legends or magic? Real? We discussed how your local 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:46.760 garden variety AI chatbot functions kind of like a jin right, 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:50.720 or like a spirit summon from the ether. Genetic science 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:54.280 is indeed creating something kind of like chimera. It's just 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:57.920 a trippy time to be alive. We hope you are 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:01.080 alive as you are listening to this. Why would we 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:05.000 even say that? Here's why. There is another huge piece 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:08.840 of this conversation that we saved for an episode all 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:12.080 its own. U see, folks, in a very real way, 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:18.280 emerging technology may also bring back the dead. I can't 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:19.080 believe we're saying it. 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:20.600 I can't believe we're saying it either. 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.839 It's been a big year for Frankenstein reboots, so it's 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:27.120 appropriate I think that that we tackle this topic now 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:27.760 more than ever. 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:32.440 Coincidence, right, Shout out to our pals over it Sound 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:36.480 like and Frequency an amazing hit podcast EP by our 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:40.320 own Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan that explores the intersection 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:45.240 between Big Hollywood and UFO disclosure. So can we really 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:49.720 leverage technology to bring back the dead? Yeah? Kind of 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:53.079 caveat asterisk fine print. Let's say we get into it. 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:01.480 Here are the facts. You've said it before. We hate 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:04.720 to be the fun police about this, but no one 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:08.880 really knows what happens to you, like your mind, your 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:11.600 soul after you die, or at least a lot of 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:15.000 people feel like they know, but they cannot agree on 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:18.840 a universal definition. But we do know what happens to 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:22.440 the body, right, we know what happens to the physical corpse. 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:26.360 Yeah gross stuff, yes, yeah, good, goodie stuff. 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:26.840 Yeah. 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:29.760 Well, your heart ceases to function, which is one of 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:33.800 the first things because when that breaks down your other organs, 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.440 the rest of your body doesn't get the oxygen supply 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:39.920 it needs to function. And what we think is the 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:43.240 most important one the old brain, the thing locked away 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:47.120 in your noggin. When that thing doesn't have oxygen, things 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:51.400 aren't good. And that's when usually massive brain damage occurs. 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:53.320 Even if you could be brought back, if your brain 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:56.560 doesn't have oxygen for a while, it's probably not going 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:56.960 to function. 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:00.480 Correct. I learned the term from my exploration with the 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:04.080 pit called brain death. Yea, you know, I mean obviously 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.280 brain dead. I don't why this was a surprise to me, 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:10.080 but a similar scenario happened where an individual on the 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:13.160 show lust supply of oxygen to their brain for long 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:17.360 enough due to a fentanyl overdose, and while their body remains, 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:21.280 you know, functioning, they were for all intents and purposes, 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:22.680 you know dead. 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:26.680 Right and clinically dead is different from legally dead, which 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:30.360 is a whole other bag of badgers. When your hardware 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:33.760 breaks down, right, when the body you ride and your 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:39.200 meat mech begins to folter, your vital organs stop functioning 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:42.479 in any number of series of orders of operations. This 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:46.480 leads to the cessation of breathing and heartbeat. Your brain 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:51.880 activity eventually halts. Rigor mortis sets in. That's the stiffening 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:56.040 of the cadaver, and depending on pull on the environmental conditions, 0:04:56.480 --> 0:05:00.560 decomposition is going to start shortly after death. And it's 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:05.920 interesting because we actually know a ton of information about 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:10.600 the physical process of expiring. And it's primarily because, you know, 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:15.240 to put it coldly and accurately, we have a huge 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:20.480 sample size to study. Everybody has ever lived, except arguably 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:25.480 for Henrietta lax Has has died or at some point 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.880 will die. Life is a terminal condition. So far as 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:32.479 we know, it is a one Way Street. Also, human 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:37.640 civilization has this huge obsession with the process of death, 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:41.159 so we know a ton about the factors involved. We 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.719 know a ton about the science, the environment, the medical conditions, 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.440 the external causes that would be the types of death, 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:51.039 and on and on and on. There are entire branches 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:55.880 of medicine and academia dedicated to learning more about this, 0:05:56.040 --> 0:06:00.800 including places like the locally famous or region only famous 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:05.440 University of Tennessee's Forensic Anthropology Center. I think we all 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:06.719 know the street name, guys. 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.839 The body you tell us, it's the body far. 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:11.000 I've smelled it, guys. 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:12.640 I've smelled it many times. 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.359 To smell it from afar like a paper mill on 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:15.920 a hot day. 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:20.160 Yeah, yeah, it's specific, Yeah, for anybody's in that area Tennessee. 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.159 And Matt I love Get Out of My Mind Palace. 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.240 Are we both about to shout out the stuff you 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:27.919 should know? Episode? I was going to? 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:30.479 Yeah, it's one of my favorite episodes of that show. 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:33.320 I think it was a long time ago. It's an 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:35.680 old one, but an oldie Buddy goody. 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:36.000 Well. 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:39.120 I remember, you know, thinking that oldies jingles were like 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:41.800 unique to my particular region. But it turns out that 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:43.040 every one of them had them, and a lot of 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:45.279 times they were just reused versions of the same ones 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.159 with different call letters. There's always that moment when you 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:49.000 realize that you're not special. But Ben, I mean yeah, 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:53.279 Ever since, like you know, the first human noticed somebody 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:55.760 expiring and started poking them with a stick, I mean, 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:59.400 that's sort of we've been looking into what happens and 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.560 figuring it out with varying degrees of precision and success. 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:04.800 But to your previous point, though, no matter how are 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:07.080 we try, that does not open up any view into 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.840 the afterlife, which is a whole you know thing, the 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:10.880 region board. 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:14.600 Yeah, I mean, it's it's inarguably morbid for a lot 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:18.200 of people to research physical death, but it's a huge 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:22.160 part of science, and it's inarguably also a huge benefit 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.880 to living human beings. Like the more we know about death, 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.480 the better prepared we are to stave it off for 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.119 as long as possible. So we want to be clear 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:36.240 as we're going into this. There has been this tremendous 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:40.920 amount of tireless research, meaning that humanity is now in 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:45.480 theory better prepared than ever before to help patients recover 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:49.239 from diseases and conditions that once upon a time could 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:52.720 have been a death sentence. You know, no take back seats. 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.440 But I like what you're saying there, Noel, I hope 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.360 we all do about the other side to this. It's 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:01.560 the one that stretches beyond the bounds of biology and 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:07.120 hard sciences into much trickier waters philosophy, spirituality, faith. What 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:10.960 happens to the non tangible you, the you that you 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.840 think of when you think of yourself, when your body 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:17.120 calls it quits. Where's that guy go? Tbd? 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:19.360 Yeah, I mean it's like, you know, even the existence 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.480 of the soul is not something that is agreed upon 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:26.680 in any singular fashion or provable per se, despite the 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:28.600 whole like what is it twenty one grams thing, which 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:30.800 is always kind of felt like a little bit flim 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:33.560 flammy to me, But yeah, no it is. It is 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:37.240 the topic of debate for centuries and centuries, the reason 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:40.480 for war, the reason for religion, you know, religion. All 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:44.120 of these various disagreements mainly stem from this idea of 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:45.920 what happens when we when we die? 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.360 Yeah, this is the great mystery. What happens after this? 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.400 And where were we before this? Right? 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:54.120 Yeah? Shout out the Voltaire. 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:57.480 Yeah, this is the thing, literally the great mystery of 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:02.720 existence or lie here and I do you know, I 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:05.280 do wonder as we're going to go through this and 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.400 talk maybe about some of the ritualization of death and 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:14.040 how different civilizations have kind of prepared the human body 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:17.640 for whatever that whatever that travel is from this realm 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.959 into that next place, whatever it may be. There's all 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:24.160 kinds of intricate stuff that goes into making sure you're ready. 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.640 Rules you gotta follow, and if you don't follow those rules, 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:29.560 you don't get in right. 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:33.319 Yeah, oh, you you died successfully, but you didn't have 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:36.920 sky burial. My bad, So now you are the ghost 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:39.679 of a type predatory bird. 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:44.280 Well, not to mention the beliefs and you know, actions 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:47.080 that you participated in while you were alive. There's all 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:49.760 kinds of rules surrounding that. But I think in the 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:54.480 past we've certainly seen much more physical manifestations of those 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:58.559 things in terms of preparing you know, one's mortal remains 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:03.280 to pass on, and a lot more importance placed on that. Now. Obviously, 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:07.360 the funeral industry feels a little bit a religious to 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.480 me in some ways, even though it has a chapel 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:12.720 and it sort of purports to be a service or 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:16.319 an out crop of religion. It feels a lot more 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.640 corporatized to me, and a lot more separated from any 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:23.760 particular religious spiritual beliefs. It's interesting, though, maybe I'm overstating 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:24.520 the case on that line. 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.199 I don't think so. No, it's a paradigm shift right. 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:32.319 For most of the human's history, a great many religions 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:36.480 did have and will assert that some aspect of you, 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:40.360 the mind or the soul, persist after physical death. And 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:43.480 these belief systems, to that earlier point take it as 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:45.920 a given or dare I say an article of faith 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:52.360 that the mind soul proceeds toward other spiritual destinations based 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:56.760 on one's behavior in life up to and including funeral 0:10:56.800 --> 0:11:01.040 preparation or pre death or write at dewn rituals. But 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:04.160 on the other hand, we have to admit atheistic groups 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:10.040 argue there is nothing afterward. Science has diplomatically put current science, 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:12.840 as we record on Friday, April third, twenty twenty six, 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:18.800 that there is no proof of consciousness persisting after the 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:22.760 death of the physical bodies. No ghosts, no holy spirits, 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:29.559 no angels, demons, reincarnation consequences zip zilch nada. It's an 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.520 old debate, and it's a debate that's going to continue 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.680 because when you think about it, if you're talking about humans, 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:39.560 there are billions of stakeholders in this argument. 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:40.120 So it was no. 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:43.400 Surprise that a lot of people looked at the available 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:46.920 evidence or lack thereof, and said, you know what, I'm 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.280 going to take it on faith. I'm going to choose 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.720 to believe what I like. If it makes me a 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:55.640 better person in life, that is great. If it means 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:59.840 that I'm wrong, it doesn't matter. It is my belief. 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.040 So everyone has their own take. No one can agree 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:06.280 on what's really happening, and it's always just if you 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:09.319 want to play it long, get home. It's always fascinating 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:13.000 to respectfully ask your friends and family for their own 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:17.240 perspective on death, life's biggest question, and who knows, their 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:21.240 answers might surprise you. It's always great, especially because most 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:25.520 people are not super good at actively listening. So if 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:28.520 you actively listen to someone and you ask them about 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.720 something that really matters to them, their answers are going 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:32.360 to amaze you. 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:36.200 That's why last Wills and testaments are so important. Oh 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.280 so they can just let everything you can let somebody 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:40.960 know without any of that, you just and it becomes 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.520 a legal document right that somebody else can execute. 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:43.920 Oof. 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:46.440 You reminded me, I gotta get mind signed. I keep 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:48.840 putting that off. I did do the thing. Yeah, No, 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:50.360 I did the thing, and I just got to get 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:52.480 it notarized. No, it's a really good point. I also 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:54.120 just want to not walk back what I said earlier. 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.920 But I'm of course aware that there are still very 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:01.439 many cultures and traditions that have specificurial rights and types 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:05.120 of cemeteries that have certain you know, criteria for getting 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:07.320 into them. Ben, You're always talking about the you know, 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:08.920 remaining tattoo free and all of that. 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:12.800 Okay, hold on, that's that is partially a misnomer. You 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:14.079 can be buried in. 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:19.880 Judaic for if you have Well, I'm just saying it's 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:20.720 I'm referencing it. 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.800 Just it's like not great. I feel like the Santa 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:26.199 and I think you should leave, you know what I mean. 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:27.800 It's like I don't have a problem with it, but 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:29.360 you can't get a gift that year. 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:33.040 I'm just saying too as well. He's even the thing 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:36.560 that I was maybe mentioning regarding the corporatization and the 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.679 sort of more business side of the funeral industry. I mean, 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:41.480 they're also kind of try to be a one size 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:43.959 fits all, you know, for any culture, in any faith, 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:45.720 and they have all of the stuff that they need 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:47.760 to make sure that they can accommodate, folks. So I 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.679 wasn't intending to say that burial rituals and you know, 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:54.280 preparing the dead isn't a thing anymore. It has just 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:56.120 maybe become a little bit more of like a ketch all, 0:13:56.160 --> 0:14:00.960 and it certainly isn't as desperately important and you know, 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.120 focused on as it was and say the days of 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.720 you know, entombing pharaohs. 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.120 In the like, right, Yeah, one hundred percent, well put, 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:12.720 because we know that these sorts of rituals have unfortunately 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:19.160 become increasingly monetized or commodified in certain cultures. But we 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.400 also know this is something that so far is going 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:27.320 to happen to everybody. The debate upon the afterlife still 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:32.000 has not been universally concluded. But this entire debate, folks, 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.400 is on the cusp of a massive sea change. In 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:39.280 our twenty fourteen episode The Future of Death, which was 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:42.960 more than ten years ago, now, we looked at existing 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:46.680 technology on the horizon at that time, and we asked 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:51.080 whether science and medicine could Mostly we were asking whether 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:54.240 it could lead to immortality, whether tech could create real 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:58.160 life zombies. But if we fast forward to Friday, April third, 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.840 as we record BOYD, to see that science is coming 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:07.400 closer than ever right now to bringing back the dead 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:11.440 Kaveat asterisk, Kafiat fine print, Kafia Asterisk fine print, Kafiyah 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:19.960 astric fine print. Here's where it gets crazy. You heard 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:24.840 us correctly, fellow conspiracy realist bringing back the dead again asterix, 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:29.440 Kaveat fine print a plenty. Maybe, First, guys, we talked 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:33.240 about what we're not saying, Like, we're not saying anybody 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:36.760 has made a quantum powered wijaboard just yet. 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:41.360 No, we're not talking about the gritty Frankenstein reboot, you know, 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:46.360 made real resurrection men digging up bodies, reanimating the dead. 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:50.000 In that respect, we're also not saying that anyone has 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:54.600 developed some kind of you know, steam as you put 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.400 Ben in the dock here, quantum powered steam punk Duisi 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:01.280 board that can you know, communicate beyond the ale with 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.480 the spirits of the deceased. Science, as we pointed out 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.840 just doesn't have any proof of any such spirits or 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:12.840 even of the existence of soul or whatever quantifiable energy 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:16.960 occupies our meat bodies that animates us and makes a 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:20.360 sense of human people. Most of that research just specifically 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.640 about neuro transmitters and the brain, and that's sort of 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:25.840 where it ends. And not to say that people aren't 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:29.240 trying to find those answers. So no one's really made 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:32.080 any sort of drug, for example, that is able to 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:36.160 quote unquote be a life extension technology. We know that 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:40.680 people have crazy regimes to you know, make themselves younger, 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:44.320 and this idea of secret life extension technology for the 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.160 ultra ultra elite has certainly been in the conversation for 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:50.040 a long time. But it's my understanding. Guys, correct me 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:52.360 if I'm wrong. We don't have any hard evidence of 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:53.520 that either. 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:55.840 Not of efficacy at least correct. 0:16:56.120 --> 0:17:01.480 We don't have the kill switch technology yet either. That 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:07.160 exists in X Files season five, episode eleven, where you 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:10.320 upload your consciousness into some sort of computer or like 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:13.520 Westworld style. Currently that's not available. 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:19.040 We also know there are no strange helmets, right like 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:22.720 the god helmet of Hitchin's fame. There are no dimensional 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:26.760 portals allowing you to traverse into the afterlife. Flat Liners 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:29.520 is a great film. Okay, that is a hill that 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:33.040 we will maybe not die on, but we'll take a 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:36.600 shot in the butt for it. Flat Liners is a 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:40.080 phenomenal work of fiction, but it still remains a work 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:43.240 of fiction. However, this is why we're doing an episode 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:47.560 on this. Human civilization is learning and has learned a 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:52.080 lot about bringing people very close to death and then 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:56.119 bringing them back over that rubicon. A lot of this, 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:59.080 and I swear we talked about this previously. A lot 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:03.919 of this hinges on the extreme hibernation techniques that we 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:07.720 already see in some of Earth's other organisms. So in 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:11.520 the in the film Flatliners and countless other novels and 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:16.359 adaptations of novels, you will see somebody who's trying to, 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.119 as you said, Noel, do a little bit of frankensteiny stuff, 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:23.480 and they're dropping someone's temperature, they're slowing and stopping their 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:26.400 heart rate, and then they are bringing them back right 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:33.040 usually through you know, the clear electric paddles, maybe some CPR. 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:36.000 Sure, or even the sci fi trope of like cryopods 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:40.520 or cryostasis, or being able to traverse massive distances in 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:43.320 space that would cause one to like age or whatever, 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:46.600 being able to keep them in some sort of stasis. Like, 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:49.040 that's not a thing we can do either. It's not 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:50.800 exactly the same, but it's similar. 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:54.879 Theoretically, right, besides exist, But it's all these pesky laws. Now, 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:57.600 I'm kidding, you're You're right, nol. It's a matter of 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:01.720 some hard technical limits that have to be traversed. We 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:07.320 do know, though, that some organisms can enter torper, something 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:11.359 very close to death, for extreme amounts of time. I 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:13.760 want to give a shout out to tartar grades aka 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:18.160 street name water bears or sometimes I forgot, we never 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:23.119 mentioned this one. Sometimes they're called mossy pigs. Not flattering. 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:29.360 No, tartar grades are big. Tartar grades and Axilotel's are 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:30.760 big in the plushy community. 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:35.040 That makes sense, okay, I mean, and tartar grades also 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:40.760 real life tartar grades can enter hibernation, extreme hibernation for 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:44.639 much longer than any human beings that we know of. 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:49.080 Fun fact, tartar grade torper, it has a specific word. 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:50.000 It's called two. 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:52.360 That's fun And I mean what you're describing there, too, 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:55.119 is a lot like the cryostasis that I was talking about, 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:57.400 because we also have evidence of water bears or tartar 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:01.959 grades surviving in deep space with this very method more 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:02.720 or less right. 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:05.760 One hundred percent. And at the same time that they're 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:13.119 in that torpor they are they are soldiering through incredibly 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:19.080 high exposure to radiation right other nasty stuff. So to 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:23.560 model oneself after the tartar grade means that you could 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.760 theoretically create a human who gets close to something like 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:31.800 death and then you know, you reheat them like microwave meal. 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:35.159 We also know we've talked about this extensively. We know 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:39.920 that scientists have thoroughly studied the phenomena that we call 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:45.400 nd or near death experience. Thankfully, the patients who are 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:49.440 reporting in these studies, they're not seeing the hellish haunting 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:54.240 landscapes from flatliners, but they do report some unusual stuff 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:58.359 and similar, I would say to reports of people on 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:03.240 DMT or certain lucinogens. It's kind of freaky how so 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:08.000 many people with an NDE report something similar when they 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:12.000 come back, even if they've never spoken to other NDE survivors. 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:13.320 Mm HM, and shout out to our buddy Dan Bush 0:21:13.320 --> 0:21:16.240 and his podcast series Alive Again. I'll find an episode 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:18.800 where we chatted with him about some of the near 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:21.480 death experiences that he reported on in that series. So 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:24.439 it's definitely a cool exploration of that kind of stuff 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:26.520 and super relevant to what we're talking about today. 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:29.399 I would just say when it comes to near death experiences, 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:34.360 there is such a wide range of report and experience there, 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:39.480 everything from nothingness to the kind of the punishment, the 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:43.439 great punishment, experiencing all the things that you've done but 0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:46.359 from the perspective of the people you did them to, 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:51.399 to that welcoming light concept, to being on a stone 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:55.640 slab looking out at some kind of nebula where stars 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:59.560 are forming and life is created. There's just such I'm 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:02.040 ap on that show. So I'm just yeah, I don't 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:05.040 mean to go to too deeply, but there's such a 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:09.639 range of experiences that have occurred. It does make me 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:12.120 wonder and maybe i'm you know, quite a bit influence, 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:15.040 but it makes me pulled more into a camp of 0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:19.240 science just doesn't understand yet what consciousness is, because we 0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:22.920 know that's true, so there might be there's a possibility 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:26.480 that consciousness does extend out. It's just we don't know 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:30.640 how it interacts once the body has died too. 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:34.720 If like these near death experiences or obviously we don't 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:36.200 have the reports from the people that you know went 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:40.920 all the way, are not akin to dreams the way 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:45.560 our experience dictates what our brain, what images our brain 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:48.040 presents us with when we're asleep. If there is a 0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:50.560 world where as your brain is dying, it's sort of 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:53.800 recalling things or presenting you with something that maybe is 0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:57.639 influenced by your beliefs or your experiences, this idea of 0:22:57.640 --> 0:22:59.480 your life flashing before your eyes, et cetera. 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:02.360 Right, I'm glad you said that. Though yet it's almost 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:06.680 seen and setting, is it not. You know, we do 0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:09.840 have the science to rely upon if you go to 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:13.840 folks like a professor named Sam Parnia. He's an expert 0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:17.879 in cardiac arrest survivors, and he says, you know, the 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:22.240 statistics again to that earlier point are kind of dodgy, right, 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:27.080 because these are self reported experiences, and you'll see a 0:23:27.080 --> 0:23:29.560 lot of statistics that say, yes, these are varied, but 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:35.080 a majority or a slight majority people encounter what Parnea 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:38.280