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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance. Today's

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Speaker 1: guest needs no introduction. He's none other than my co

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Speaker 1: host of Cutting the Distance. You get to listen to

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Speaker 1: this guy every other week here on the show. In

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Speaker 1: his spare time, he also likes to act as a

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Speaker 1: figure model. And then he also trains cats. So if

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Speaker 1: you have any cats that need trained, Dirt is amazing

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Speaker 1: with with cats, the felines. He's your guy. Welcome to show, Dirt.

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Speaker 2: Oh, hey, there feline, my feline friend olaf. He may

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Speaker 2: even make an appearance if we're if we're not, if

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Speaker 2: we're unlucky. He usually likes to crawl around on my

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Speaker 2: keyboard and when I get out a podcast. So and uh,

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Speaker 2: you know it's a fitness model. Let's get this straight.

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Speaker 2: I'm a fitness model.

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Speaker 1: Oh, fitness model, not a figure model.

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Speaker 2: More favorites.

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Speaker 1: What's the difference and fitness and figuring.

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Speaker 2: Fitness is more muscle figures more like you got all

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Speaker 2: the the the curves in the right places.

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Speaker 1: I guess, Oh, oh so that's not you.

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Speaker 2: No, I've got it's all Hey, I'm big boned.

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Speaker 1: Right, So on today's episode, though I want it. It's

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Speaker 1: that time of year, right, it's and we try to

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Speaker 1: make this podcast somewhat relevant to the timing of the year.

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Speaker 1: Today is the sixth of February, so I feel like, uh,

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Speaker 1: today's Arizona, Elk and prong Horn. By time this comes out, though,

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Speaker 1: you're already gonna miss it, So hopefully I'm not the

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Speaker 1: bearer of bad news that if you didn't get in

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Speaker 1: will be released on days, but it's a time right.

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Speaker 1: We're all uh me and you. Every year. As much

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Speaker 1: as we love elk cunting, as much as it's part

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Speaker 1: of what we do, you're always trying to get some

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Speaker 1: it is. You're trying to kind of plan the season,

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Speaker 1: and whether you're a week in warrior, whether you're a

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Speaker 1: of state systems and and sort of on today's podcast,

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Speaker 1: we're going to kind of go through that, like how

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Speaker 1: do application processes work. You know, maybe some reminders on dates,

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Speaker 1: whether they're approved or tentative dates that you need to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And it can be kind of a dawning

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Speaker 1: So this this system has changed, evolved. Some of the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then there I mean, we'll get into it

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Speaker 1: of you. So, just like every episode of cutting this

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Speaker 1: Game Calls dot com, or you can hit us up

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Speaker 1: on social media Instagram, Facebook and send us your questions area.

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Speaker 1: We'll do our best to get them in here for

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Speaker 1: for our guests or our so But today I went

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Speaker 2: You're a millennial, aren't you? You? I bet you could

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Speaker 2: what's your I bet what's your your birth? I bet

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Speaker 1: I feel. I think I I'm like one year on

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Speaker 1: So I'm the greatest generation. I'm crossing over into that

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Speaker 1: So the first question that chat GPT generated, how does

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Speaker 1: a question for myself because each state's a little bit different. Right.

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Speaker 1: Some you can get some ELK tags over the counter,

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Speaker 1: so that application is literally show up at a gas station,

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Speaker 2: How many places can you tell you that these days?

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna get into that body. But this, okay,

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Speaker 1: And then what Colorado does is they're better muzzleoder hunts,

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Speaker 1: I think Spike only. You know, some of these states

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Speaker 1: Anybody that's anybody that's followed the mess that's been I

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Speaker 2: It's a mess, it's a train.

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Speaker 1: The system they've put in place for non residents has

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Speaker 1: stuff every year where me and Washington, YEI I can

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Speaker 1: grind it out. I've got some good opportunity, but they're

433
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,959
Speaker 1: not the best hunts. And then you've got people that

434
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Speaker 1: live in Nevada. They can't hunt elk every year, which

435
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 1: is like a weird thing to me, even being from Washington,

436
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: Like you don't get the hunt elk every year in

437
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 1: your own state. Same thing with Arizona, same thing with

438
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 1: New Mexico. Right, there's some states where these guys have

439
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 1: turned into you hunt with your buddy, or you hunt

440
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 1: with your buddies buddy when they draw, just so you

441
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 1: can be out in the field and experience it. So

442
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 1: it's kind of all over the board on you know

443
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 1: what your chances are drawing a tag. And that's not

444
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 1: a bad system. And if you are in a state

445
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 1: or you're learning to all hunt, like going on hunts

446
00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,679
Speaker 1: with buddies that draw tags or being invited, you're offering

447
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 1: to be a packer. Just being involved is gonna going

448
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 1: to pay off when you do draw tag.

449
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 2: Right, Absolutely, going to the hunt. I've been going to

450
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 2: the hunt expos for I don't know, probably twelve years now,

451
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 2: and talk to a lot of sportsmen, a lot of

452
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 2: them in Utah. Don't want to pick on anybody in particular,

453
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,120
Speaker 2: but a lot of them in Utah. And you talk

454
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 2: to people and said, hey, are you an elk hunter?

455
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 2: I'd like to know, but I'd like to be. I've

456
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 2: been putting in for draws, you know, and and at

457
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 2: some point, you know, when I draw my tag, then

458
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get really serious about elk hunting, you know.

459
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 2: You know, But I've got eight more years or ten

460
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Speaker 2: more years before I get into that that point range

461
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 2: where I can draw that tag. So I feel like

462
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 2: a big mistake is people will kind of sit on

463
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 2: their laurels all those years while they're trying to draw

464
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 2: that that crown jewel tag. But they're not honing their

465
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 2: skills as a hunter, and they should definitely be hunting

466
00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 2: these lesser opportunities for big mature animals maybe, but more

467
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: opportunity to get out there, mix it up with some elk.

468
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 2: Learn some skills, learn how to learn how to you know,

469
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 2: maybe the the way elk act, you know, to learn

470
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 2: the biology, learn the country, learn how to move, move,

471
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 2: learn how to hunt that way. Whenever you finally do

472
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 2: get that that really good tag, then you're gonna be

473
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 2: feeling a lot more confident in in your skills.

474
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, build that foundation. You you go out and

475
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: try to, you know, put the top floor on the

476
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: building without a foundation. It's it's just you're you're setting

477
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: yourself up for a disaster, and you know, get out

478
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 1: hunt with buddies, you hunt on your own hard units.

479
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 1: You're gonna set yourself up for a lot better you know,

480
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: chances when you finally do draw that tag for sure. Yeah,

481
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: so we spend a little more time than we normally

482
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Speaker 1: do on those questions. But once again, you have questions

483
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 1: for me or my guests, or Dirk or his guests,

484
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: feel free to email them to us at ct D

485
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: apt phelps game Calls dot com or I know Dirk's

486
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 1: got a little hotline.

487
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can call in. You can call the super hotline,

488
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: the CTD hotline if you will phone numbers two zero

489
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 2: eight two one nine seven seven zero one, leave a message,

490
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 2: and if you leave a cool question or a cool story,

491
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: I'll play it on my podcast. Maybe Jason can play

492
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: it on his, but we'll try to answer it or

493
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 2: just kind of address it, and you have three minutes

494
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 2: to record your question or your comment and then it's

495
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: gonna cut you off. So make it quick, keep it shut,

496
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 2: keep shure.

497
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. So now, uh yeah, we're gonna

498
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Speaker 1: jump into our discussion, get jump in a little bit

499
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Speaker 1: more about important dates. But before we get into our discussion, Derek,

500
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: I got some some I'm gonna hit you with some

501
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: quick questions just and this is all personal preference. There's

502
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: no right or wrong answer.

503
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: I feel like you're gonna judge me, though you're always

504
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 2: judging it.

505
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: This is this is a judge free zone because we've

506
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: said it before on here, not not to not to

507
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: get all sensitive, but like everybody does it for their

508
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: own reason. Right, You've been hunting for I want to

509
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: date you for forty plus years probably.

510
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not that old.

511
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: Geez felt thirty five plus years.

512
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

513
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Speaker 1: Well I'm just talked maybe not hunting, but out in

514
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Speaker 1: the woods thinking around.

515
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, my whole life.

516
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: So, I mean, you've been doing it for a long time,

517
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: You've accomplished certain things you set out to do, and

518
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: you may have a different goal set than the guy

519
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 1: that just picks up their bow, or I don't. Are

520
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 1: we allowed to use adult onset hunters. I think it's acceptable.

521
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: These adult onset hunters, like they're specifically out there to

522
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: fill their freezer with organic meat, so they, I mean

523
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: any hyder hair that's legal, like that may be their

524
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Speaker 1: goal me or you, Like I'm going into this unit

525
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: that took me twenty years a draw and I'm gonna

526
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: hold No, yeah, I'm gonna eat the thing, don't get

527
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: me wrong, but I'm going for the maximum amount of

528
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: horn on their head, the maximum amount of age on

529
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Speaker 1: their body. Like you're going out there for some specific things,

530
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: so they can't get this wrong. But I'm curious, like

531
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Speaker 1: from a user's perspective, would you hunt would you rather

532
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,239
Speaker 1: hunt a marginal and when I say marginal, you might

533
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: run into elk every three days or here bigle every

534
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Speaker 1: three days? Or would you rather hunt the best unit

535
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: in your state every seven years?

536
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: At this point, I want both? Can I say that

537
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 2: I want both?

538
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: No?

539
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 2: No, no, I want to hunt elk every single year.

540
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 2: So and and that's what I do now. So and

541
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Speaker 2: sometimes like the hundred, one of the arguably probably one

542
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 2: of the worst units, in Idaho to hunt in the

543
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 2: last couple of years. Rifle hunting too, you know. So

544
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Speaker 2: I want to hunt every year. I want to have

545
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 2: those opportunities to hunt every year, and I'll sacrifice opportunity

546
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 2: at seeing big animals just so I can get out

547
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 2: there and then try to use my wismorship, use my

548
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: hunting skills, use my scouting, my time on the ground

549
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: to find the places where I will have success. But

550
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Speaker 2: I don't want to wait every seven years to hunt

551
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 2: a really good unit. But I do want the opportunity

552
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Speaker 2: someday to hunt, you know, a really great unit. There's

553
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: a there's a unit, elk unit, idahood. I would give

554
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: anything to hunt, but who knows, I may not I

555
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 2: may not ever draw that text, and.

556
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: I get it. It's it's tough. And that's where hopefully

557
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: when we get into like overall strategy, you're trying to

558
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: accomplish both of these things at the same time. You

559
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: try to keep that maybe marginal unit every year, but

560
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 1: maybe use other states for a quality pitch or a

561
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: change up, you know, to your normal system. So we'll

562
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: get into that a little bit more. How would you

563
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: define opportunity. We talked a little bit prior to the podcast, Like,

564
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: what is opportunity? Is it just having your bow in

565
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: your hand or is it what would you describe as opportunity?

566
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: You know, everybody talks about quality versus opportunity versus, but

567
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: but I think opportunity is very vague and what people

568
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 1: would consider that.

569
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a pretty broad, broad and out

570
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: or broad definition. But it depends on who you ask,

571
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: and and then maybe through the lens that I see

572
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: the world or or you see the world, or whoever's

573
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 2: saying it sees the world to me, opportunity depending on

574
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: where you're at. You know, I feel like a good

575
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: opportunity hunt would be I can have the opportunity hunt

576
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 2: number one, of course, but I'm gonna have the opportunity

577
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: to see animals, have the opportunity to get away from

578
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: people and have a good hunting experience. I'm looking for

579
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: a good hunting experience overall. Now, it doesn't have to

580
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 2: have giant animals running everywhere, but maybe there is a

581
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: nice one there somewhere and I actually seeing animals. Different

582
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 2: game departments may see that different. They're like, it's an

583
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: opportunity for you to buy a tag and to go hunting.

584
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 2: Then that's kind of how they see it. You know,

585
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: the state of Idahola pick on them a little bit.

586
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: They have always said, you know, we're an opportunity state.

587
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: We're not a trophy state by any means, but I

588
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: kind of feel like they use that term pretty loosely. Yeah,

589
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: there's some of these places you do have the opportunity

590
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: to buy a tag and go hunting, but you may

591
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: not have the opportunity to like see very many animals

592
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: or whatever, depending on the area, of course, So you

593
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 2: have to That's where I guess doing research on your

594
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: own and like like getting kind of nerdy and like

595
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: breaking breaking down each area that you think you might

596
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: might want to hunt and try to like figure in

597
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: the numbers to figure out if it's it's something more

598
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: than just being able to have a tag and like

599
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: get out outside and go hunting them. Like everybody likes

600
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: to get out there and enjoy the hunt, but you

601
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: also like to enjoy the meat the harvest, you know,

602
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: whether whether you're you're killing an animal or or maybe

603
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 2: have the opportunity to try to kill one, you know, yep.

604
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I like to use extremes to explain the example.

605
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: So you could say the state could say they provide

606
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: an opportunity if they take every archery out hunter in

607
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: the entire state of Washington, put us in the tiniest

608
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: little mud flow unit next amount Saint Helens. Right now,

609
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: that's technically an opportunity, but it's going to be the

610
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: worst hunting experience of your life. Or you can say

611
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give one lucky tag holder and he's the

612
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: only one that can hunt the entire state of Washington. Like,

613
00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: those are both opportunity, but it's a completely different experience.

614
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: I think what you know, And the only reason I'm

615
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: trying to define this is because this word opportunity gets

616
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: thrown around a lot, like it's a very minimum, it's

617
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: just a tag, a chance, but like in reality, you really,

618
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: you know, maybe even the best hunter has a zero

619
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: percent chance of killing anything because of the odds they're

620
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: stuck into. When I think of when I'm going out,

621
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: when I talk personally about opportunity, if I hunt hard

622
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: five to seven to ten days, I'm going to get

623
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: one to maybe three opportunities, right, maybe more shotty lower

624
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: on the end I'm gonna get I'm going to get

625
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,239
Speaker 1: a chance, and there may be a two or three

626
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: day stretch in there where it's a ghost town or

627
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: I haven't figured the dang place out, you know. But

628
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: eventually that takes a little work, maybe a little more hiking,

629
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: maybe a little more dedication to an area, maybe getting

630
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: up earlier or whatever. But if I if I can

631
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: hone in and use my skills and figure out, like

632
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: I want an opportunity out an ELK, whether I blow it,

633
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: whether the setup gets screwed up, whether they win me,

634
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,239
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. Like, that's kind of how I

635
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: determine an opportunity. Give me a shot, maybe one to

636
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: three shots ver seven to ten day period and I'm

637
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: gonna be happy. Yeah, but that opportunity.

638
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: I think that's a fair, fair analysis.

639
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And this is a little side question kind of

640
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: went away from the quick fire and I don't know.

641
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: I mean, COVID gets a lot of blame for this,

642
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: and it's it's obvious, you know, we're a is us

643
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: both being in a business. We track it, We've seen it.

644
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: We've seen tag numbers. We could watch Colorado put out

645
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: a data set like first time TAG applications skyrocketed that

646
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: first year at COVID. Do you feel like this current

647
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: pressure for for the allocation of big game tags or

648
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: like the ability to even get them, is ever going

649
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: to subside or do you think it's here to stay?

650
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: I know, and I always struggle with this, and I

651
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: should have did some research on the data. I'm a

652
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: horrible podcast host because of this. But we always you

653
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: always hear like hunting's dying or hunting's numbers are going

654
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: down from this point to that point. I want to know,

655
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: is it tag numbers have to be fallen at the

656
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: same rate or somebody's lye into me, you know, like

657
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: or we do you feel or do you think there's

658
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: any sign that this like request you know, this this

659
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: demand for these tag numbers is ever going to go

660
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: down or we just is it stuck and it's here

661
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: to stay?

662
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 2: Man? I think I think right now it's so popular,

663
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: so trendy to come to the West and hunt, which

664
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 2: I get it, like I see the allure. I participate

665
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: in it, like I love hunting like in the West,

666
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: and I think that is probably probably an all time

667
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: high the popularity like Idaho, you know, like you said

668
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 2: ten years ago, you could buy if you wanted to

669
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: go hunt Idaho archery ELK on the last day of

670
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: season as a non resident, you could show up and

671
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: buy a tag at the gas station. Now they sell

672
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: out in the first couple hours of the first day

673
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: in December the year of the December before the season,

674
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: that before the hunting the next fall season. So I

675
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: don't know if there's I don't know. I feel like

676
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: trends kind of come and go. Popularity. I know, back

677
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: in that certain heydays of hunting different places used to

678
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: be kind of like huge, you know, popularity, But then

679
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: something happened. Maybe it's not as cool anymore. Maybe those

680
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: people don't care about it anymore. Maybe that that population

681
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: aged out into where the younger generations not backfilling. But

682
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: they say hunting recruitments down across the United States, and

683
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: I think, and they always say, well, it's not necessarily

684
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: the people coming out West to hunt. It's it's the

685
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: young people in the other parts of the United States.

686
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: You know, there's they don't they don't have the kids,

687
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: you know, getting into hunting, you know, going hunting with dad, grandpa, grandma, whoever, mom, whatever.

688
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: They don't have those those kids backfill in numbers as

689
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: hunters every year, which I definitely can see that, and

690
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: it's tough with kids hunting. I mean, you're you're competing

691
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: with instant gratification of video games, uh, social media whatever,

692
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: you want to watch digital videos, movies on demand at

693
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: any time, any anywhere you can that you have so

694
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: many options of like instant gratification for kids these days,

695
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: to where hunting well, let's just you know, we all

696
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 2: know we're all hunters. It's it's hard, you know. It's

697
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: the days can be long, they're physical, the weather can

698
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: be super hot, super cold, somewhere in between. But it's

699
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: not definitely not an instant gratification. You have to put

700
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: in some work and then reap the rewards. And I

701
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 2: think with just society today, it's it's really hard to

702
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 2: compete with that. So overall, I think numbers are falling.

703
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 2: But I feel like the little the saving grace. Maybe

704
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: once people grow up and they want they see what

705
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 2: life has to offer and they're just like, dude, I'm

706
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 2: tired of spending my vacation time sitting looking at four

707
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: walls or whatever I want. There's more got to be

708
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: more to life. And they learn about Western hunting or

709
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: hunting in general wherever they're at, and then maybe that

710
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: adult onset hunter that they can. Maybe they're that's the

711
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 2: new answer, Like that's going to perpetuate hunting through the future.

712
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: But I feel like at.

713
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: Some point it may it may not be quite as popular.

714
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know, I talked to my dad about

715
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: you know, they used to travel them on tana and

716
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: do a little bit out of state hunting, you know.

717
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: But I feel and not saying this is bad, but

718
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: like I feel like a lot of guys with the

719
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: you know, the Internet, social media, everybody out east is

720
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: now applying, right or they they see how easy it

721
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: is to just plan for this and just go do it,

722
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: you know. So they're getting their group of three to

723
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: four buddies together and they're coming out west making it

724
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: like a yearly or an annual. Not like I say,

725
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: not saying it's wrong. Or they're able to apply from

726
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: their you know, their desk and whatever it is North

727
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: Carolina or you know, New York or wherever it may be.

728
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: Those guys can sit and apply. They draw great. If not,

729
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: then they put the same amount of money in that

730
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: we did. And and it's just it's it's putting like

731
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: you say, we maybe losing some of those numbers or

732
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: that recruitment. But we're getting maybe some some pressure on

733
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: the Western system from from you know, the guy's back

734
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: east that love to hunt. They're just more willing to

735
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: come out now. So it is I I don't necessarily

736
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: it is an issue with It makes it tough for

737
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: a guy that selfishly wants to get my own tags.

738
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: But I don't know if there's a fixed for it

739
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: or not, you know. And I the last thing I

740
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: want to do is wish like ill will on the economy,

741
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: Like I wish people would just struggle more so I could,

742
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, and I would be in a good spot

743
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: so I could hang in there.

744
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: Right.

745
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know what it is. I don't

746
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: know what the right or wrong answer is. But yeah,

747
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: during that coach you have a crazy COVID bubble.

748
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: I mean people had I think people had a lot

749
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: of extra money maybe in their pockets from all the

750
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 2: the Biden Biden economics or whatever, you know, they had

751
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: that extra money in their pocket. They're like, you know,

752
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: I've always wanted to do go elk hunting X and

753
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: right wherever. And they buy the gear, they try to

754
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: get the tag or they do buy the tags. And

755
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 2: I think they that that. I think that that's where

756
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 2: one of the big upticks is come. Now with things

757
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: are the economies a little different now, things are expensive.

758
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 2: Maybe families are having to cut back here and there,

759
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 2: and you may see a downtick, you know, and in

760
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: some of those numbers. But uh, I feel like a

761
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 2: lot of people make that a priority. Once they've tasted

762
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,919
Speaker 2: that that that fruit, man, they want to go again.

763
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: They want to go hunt and again, and and they'll

764
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,439
Speaker 2: make They'll make other sacrifices. They're not going to buy,

765
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 2: you know, maybe three lattes a day. Then maybe they'll

766
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: cut those out of the old the old budget.

767
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I've got a I got a crazy idea.

768
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to see if you are in support or

769
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: you would be unsupportive of my idea.

770
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: Well most of the time, most of the time when

771
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: you got a crazy idea, I have to like raise

772
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:06,439
Speaker 2: an eyebrow.

773
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: I know. And I'm gonna be a hypocrite for saying

774
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: it because right now I'm doing the opposite of what

775
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: you would too, because it would force you to choose.

776
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: But what if all states, all United States, you know,

777
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: all fifty of them in the Union, got together and

778
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: said you know we're all going to join up because

779
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: opportunity is so thin. We're gonna let you hunt one

780
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: elk within the fifty, We're gonna let you hunt one

781
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: meal deer within the fifty. We're gonna let you hunt

782
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: one white tailed deer. But somehow, and I don't know

783
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: how you'd manage it or how you do it, but

784
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: there was a pack that I'm gonna call it the

785
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: United States Hunting Packed, and it's gonna just limit. Like

786
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: Dirk wants to apply for Colorado elk. Can he draws it?

787
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: Then he's got to return his Idaho tag this year,

788
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: or he draws an Arizona tag like he's out of

789
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: all the other And I don't know how you manage it,

790
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 1: But would you be in support of something like that

791
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: where it's it's getting more back to what do you

792
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: need in your freezer to survive? And not so much

793
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: as a and entertainment I guess, And like I said,

794
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: I'm in an hypocrite right now. Right I've hunted elk

795
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: in two to three states for the last ten years.

796
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: I've hunted meal deer, whitetail, whatever it may be. But

797
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: is do you think hunters would support that would you

798
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: support that the Have I not thought it through all

799
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: the way, Like, is there a way that if it

800
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: could somehow magically happen that it would be good for

801
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: everybody's experience and opportunity?

802
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: Man, this reminds me of those little little game my

803
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 2: kids used to play with me, would you rather? Would

804
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 2: you rather eat a piece of dog poop or have

805
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: a bird poop in your mouth? I mean, you know,

806
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: some ridiculous like I don't want either one of these things,

807
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: Like this is terrible. It's almost like one of those

808
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: kinds of questions would you rather? Questions?

809
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: But what if you saw this, like open up some

810
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: Arizona top tier units because somebody'd do their dream hunt

811
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: in Colorado or Utah, you know, right? And so I

812
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: was trying to think of the positives that could come

813
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: out of something.

814
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 2: Like this and no, and as you were talking, I

815
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: was kind of thinking of that thing, like, man, And

816
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 2: I can see like people like having that same mindset, like, oh,

817
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to really try to go to these certain

818
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: places and then overlook these other places that are really good,

819
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: especially if after a couple three years and not having

820
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: a lot of pressure, Yeah, that may just satisfy you know,

821
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: I'm not. You know, it's not like a body count

822
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 2: every fall. I want to go, Yeah, yeah, tag as

823
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: many Elk as I possibly can, but it's more of

824
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 2: an experience and you feel like, Okay, if I can

825
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: have three ELK tags, it's a game of odds, right,

826
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: one of those hunts is going to be really good

827
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 2: because of timing, population and lack of other hunters, area turning,

828
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 2: whatever it is, one of those three are gonna be

829
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 2: really good compared to maybe the other two. But if

830
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: you had to pick one throughout the whole, the whole

831
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: gamut and focus on that, I mean, I'm not I'm

832
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 2: not one hundred percent against it. I'm not gonna say

833
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: no bullshit, but I'm gonna I'm not I'm not against it.

834
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: I mean that that could open up some cool opportunities.

835
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just see like me personally and not saying

836
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm doing it because it would be it would benefit

837
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: a lot of guys. And I don't know how you

838
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: do it, Like if the application you select, like I'm

839
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: gonna apply and drop down this time, Utah, you select,

840
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, and how you do it. But let's say

841
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how if you had to pick one

842
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: and you can only apply for one to start with.

843
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: Like then it would be just a big gamble of

844
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: where you thought everybody else was going that Yeah, you know,

845
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: like Arizona's got a great horn growth, I'm gonna sneak

846
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: into Utah. I'm gonna go to Nevada, or I've got

847
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: enough points in Wyoming or Montana, like you would. I

848
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: feel like people would slip in with a lot less points,

849
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: and it would really you know, if you assume everybody

850
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: applies for all the same Western states, would would put

851
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: eighty percent less pressure on the units. You know, everybody's

852
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: at a different point level. But it would ultimately clean

853
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: itself up, I think, relatively quick. And like I said,

854
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: I don't know how how the hell it would ever work,

855
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: like how do you fund the agencies and how do

856
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 1: you do the split of money and all of that.

857
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: But I like the thought of the idea that, like

858
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: I would hunt, I would love that system if it

859
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: gave me a more quality hunt every year and I

860
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: got my one L hunt. But yeah, like I say,

861
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: then I'm becoming a little bit selfish again, Like I

862
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: need to make sure I get my one L cunt

863
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: and this system may have some way where hey, guess what,

864
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: you applied for some mediocre unit and Wyoming the same

865
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 1: year that everybody else did the same strategy, you know,

866
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: and you're out. Yeah, I don't know. I've always try

867
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: to think, like, how do you fix a log jam?

868
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 1: And I don't know if I've got the right answer,

869
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: but just an interesting idea. But you had a good

870
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: segue of in your little spiel there on like just

871
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: coming up with an overall strategy. Let's talk about that

872
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: a little bit before we we wrap this one up

873
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 1: and give some key dates that people need to remember.

874
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: Me and you both, I don't I don't even want

875
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: to count how many states we apply for? What eight, nine,

876
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: ten states across West? Maybe more, maybe less for Elk

877
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: and Deer.

878
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, less than that for me, but I know you

879
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: between us maybe.

880
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, somewhere right in there. So I think I applied

881
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: for seven or eight being from Washington because it sucks

882
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: so bad here. Yeah. So so going into that, Derek,

883
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about your strategy, and I

884
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: think we have similar strategies where we've got a couple

885
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: of states on, Like, you know, you fortunately have Idaho

886
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: as your your standby. You can always hunt there, and

887
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: then you've probably got some states on what you'd call

888
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: like more of your opportunity rotation. Then you've got some

889
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: states more on on your you know, quality rotation and

890
00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: how you manage that year to year.

891
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, for the long for the long game.

892
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna play a long game for like a

893
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: once in a lifetime type of hunt, you know that.

894
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 2: And that's my Arizona tag. So someday I'll apply. I've

895
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: got enough points to draw a subpar unit. Definitely. I

896
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 2: could probably hunt some of those later season, late season archery,

897
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: late season rifle kind of hunts like you alluded to earlier,

898
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: but that's not what I'm I'm looking for. I'm looking

899
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 2: for that experience. I'm looking for the hunt where there's

900
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 2: lots of bulls bugling. I can chase bugles all day

901
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: and just like you just keep going over the next

902
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: ridge and you never know what you're gonna see. You

903
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 2: may see a giant, you may see a five point,

904
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 2: but it's just like the quintessential Arizona hunt. So that's

905
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: my one long shot hunt. You know, some day I'm

906
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: gonna draw that, hopefully. And then I got some the

907
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: stuff in the middle. So those are like your Wyoming's Montana's.

908
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: You know it's gonna you can't hunt those every year

909
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 2: as an non resident, but every few years you can.

910
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: You can get lucky draw tag to go there, and

911
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: I but I don't apply typically for their premium units.

912
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 2: What I'm applying for is just their general over the counter,

913
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: not over the counter, but their general units to where

914
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to have more opportunity to draw tag in

915
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: a pool of opportunity there to hunt more often, you know,

916
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: whether every two to five years, be able to go

917
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: to those places because they're beautiful, they have decent population animals,

918
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 2: and you never know, you might see a big one.

919
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,959
Speaker 2: And then there's the every year thing, you know, which,

920
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: like you said, I'm fortunate live to live in Idaho,

921
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 2: which as a resident, there's plenty of over the counter opportunities,

922
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: Like every year I can go down buy a tag

923
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 2: for whatever unit. You know, there's way more opportunity over

924
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 2: the counter units in Idaho than there are limited units.

925
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: So I'll be able to hunt, you know, I'll be

926
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: able to hunt elk deer whatever here in Idaho. I

927
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 2: just have to narrow my scope of where I want

928
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: to go some units like I kind of allud to earlier,

929
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: very tough. You know, a lot a lot of animals

930
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 2: in them. But other units are are really good. But

931
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: typically when you find an unit with a lot of

932
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 2: animals and a lot of tags, you'll find a lot

933
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,479
Speaker 2: of people too. So it's kind of like that balancing act.

934
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm in the same boat. I look at

935
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 1: Arizona as my you know, once in a lifetime, I'm

936
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: a little behind Dirk. I'm at like twelve or thirteen

937
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: in the way it's kind of running away. Maybe I'm

938
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: gonna have to settle on something that's not you're once

939
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: in a lifetime type punks. I don't know if I'm

940
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: ever going to catch up to it. And then Utah

941
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: I look at at one time, I was I was

942
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: going to kind of miss the lower end units and

943
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: try to get into it just a mid tier unit,

944
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: you know, some of those some of those you know,

945
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: premium units. I'm not spoiling anything for anybody, you know,

946
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: the san Juans that you know, some of those units, like,

947
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm just never going to catch up to them. I

948
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: could get lucky. So I'm looking at Utah as like

949
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: a quality And then I've got Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Oregon,

950
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: you know, Washington kind of on this rotation for my

951
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: every year worst case scenario of anything ever fell through,

952
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: I would go to Colorado. I'm also nicing about Colorado

953
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: is it has so much over the counter opportunity. I'm

954
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: able to kind of keep my points as I'm going there.

955
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of building up for a decent rifle

956
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: hunt or a decent muzzleoder hunt, you know, something that's

957
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: a better unit outside of of just their general archy

958
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: over the counter stuff. And every we talked a little

959
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: bit earlier about half of this day up on it

960
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: and educated. One thing that's like weighing in this year

961
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: is you watch Wyoming make a change between their special

962
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: in general, right, and so maybe you've been eyeing like, well,

963
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: I can get in a half year earlier under special,

964
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: but guess what now you better want to pay two

965
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: thousand dollars instead of nine hundred or whatever it is

966
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: exactly so they're changing. You hear about what Wyoming did

967
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: on their their oil tags. They went to ninety ten

968
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: where right now they're dearn Elks not ninety ten. The

969
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: day Wyoming switches there.

970
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: Will explain to our listeners what an oil tag is

971
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 2: because you kind of threw me off the first time

972
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: you told said to oil.

973
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: Okay, so once in a lifetime, so your sheep, your goose,

974
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, acronym for once in a lifetime. Most states

975
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: have them is once in a lifetime. Some states you

976
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: may be able to have like a waiting period and

977
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 1: jump back in as a resident. But for non residents,

978
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: even in Washington, like if I draw a moose, sheep, goat,

979
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 1: it's a once in a lifetime type tag. So Wyoming

980
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, switch to a ninety ten

981
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: and by ninety ten ninety percent of the tags have

982
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: to go to residents, ten percent can go to non residents. Well,

983
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: that skewed the numbers quite a bit from what the

984
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: past draw odds are. So let's say right now, it's

985
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: taking us three years to draw the tag that Dirk wants,

986
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: just a general ELK tag if they go from eighty

987
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: twenty to ninety ten at now, I mean, this is

988
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: exact math is going to take you six years with

989
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: the same exact candidate pool. So like there's things like

990
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: that where people that may have ten or eleven points,

991
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: they're just getting close enough to a unit they want,

992
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: Like they're starting to now strategize whether they're going to

993
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: jump earlier, maybe shoot for a Lesher unit, because if

994
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: they don't shoot for a Lestri unit and do that

995
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 1: before the change, they've now just bumped themselves down into

996
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: way below the unit they can get into right now.

997
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: So like, as hunters and people that are into the game,

998
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: like we're we're following that all the time, trying to

999
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: make sure that you're getting the most out of your points,

1000
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: and and it just depends, like sometimes I'm willing to

1001
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: like sacrifice what I thought was gonna be a good

1002
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: quality hunt for an opportunity before something like that that

1003
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: comes down the pipeline. You know, Idaho I love. I

1004
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: always apply for Idaho and New Mexico zero points on

1005
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: their controlled hunts. I feel like it's a level playing field.

1006
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:35,439
Speaker 1: I've got no more, no less opportunity to the next guy.

1007
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: But then there's strategies within that, Like if I've already

1008
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: got a pretty full plate for the for the fall,

1009
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: i may swing for the fences on Idaho controlled deer

1010
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: and elk right like I want. If I'm going to

1011
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: get a tag, I'm only going to change my plans

1012
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: for a premium where if my my my schedules looking

1013
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: real thin, I may decide I'm going to go for

1014
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: the you know, a controlled Hunt Idaho that's got ten

1015
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: percent draw odds, which is pretty good, you know. So

1016
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: there's strategies than that same thing within New Mexico. Yeah,

1017
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: you can. You can set up every Heala unit and

1018
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: have a two percent draw odds when you get done,

1019
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: or you can start to look for some mediocre muzzl

1020
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: Er units and maybe have a thirty percent chance to

1021
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: draw on a take. So it really just depends on

1022
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: what you want to do, what your goal is, and

1023
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: you have to kind of just manage appropriately. And like

1024
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: I say, me and Dirker, I think I can speak

1025
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: for both of us, we're always we're always going to

1026
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 1: have that guaranteed tag, whether it's Colorado for Dirkett's Idaho

1027
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: for me at maybe Western Washington might be the greatest hunt,

1028
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: but I know I'm going to get a Hunt Elk

1029
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: every year, and then I'm using the draws to kind

1030
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: of supplement maybe something mid tier and then something like

1031
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: really high tier. If the if the draw odds are

1032
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: in my favor, I guess at that point.

1033
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's one thing we didn't talk about yet

1034
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 2: is like state raffles too. So almost I think almost

1035
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: every state has a raffle, like you put it if

1036
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 2: you buy raffle tickets and for you know some kind

1037
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 2: of like in Idaho they call it the super hunt, right,

1038
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 2: and you can imply, you know, there's there's three or

1039
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 2: four different things. It's like maybe you apply for those

1040
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 2: once in a lifetime. You know, moose, sheep, goat, or

1041
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 2: it's or it's elk, or it's or it's an any animal.

1042
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 2: Like if you draw the super tag, you could hunt

1043
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 2: any of those. So it just depends. So it's just

1044
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: a raffle. You got hunt Expo. They do a bunch

1045
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 2: of raffles there, so you know, there there's auctions, you know,

1046
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: for the big money guys that want to throw a

1047
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: bunch of money. I mean I can't do it, but

1048
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 2: people can maybe get a governor tag or whatever. So

1049
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: there's there's those options too. But but for the like

1050
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 2: I've never done, you of those raffle tags, which I should,

1051
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 2: you know, just you know, put a tiny little bit

1052
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 2: of money in there, because if you if you don't win,

1053
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: if you don't play you can't win, right, So maybe

1054
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 2: I should be putting in for some of those raffle tags.

1055
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I we all know people that have

1056
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 1: drawn them, I think, Yeah, you know landowner tags or options.

1057
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: You know, some of these states do landowner tags. We've

1058
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: we've used those a few times ourselves when we we've

1059
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: had horrible luck in the draws and couldn't lie and

1060
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: stuff up. So whatever, your buddy, you know, And and

1061
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I hate that that money gets involved

1062
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: in opportunity, but it's the reality. And you know, if

1063
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: you're set up to do it, and by all means,

1064
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna hunt with that tag regardless, right, you know.

1065
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: So I've I've never felt guilty about that. You know.

1066
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: It's it's my lifestyle. It's what I you know, I

1067
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: don't go drink on the weekends. I don't chew a

1068
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: can of Copenhagen everything. You know, it's like it's my

1069
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: lifestyle choice. So I can save up this little bit

1070
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: of money and and you know, not not get into

1071
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: me and my wife's budget and make it make it work.

1072
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 2: But it's fine, there's well, it's funny. I I've used

1073
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 2: one of this job. I used to have then when

1074
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: I first started going out of state to you know,

1075
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: the first time I went to Wyoming, I came back

1076
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: and one of the guys at work said, well, how

1077
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: much that cost you to go? I'm like, well the

1078
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 2: tag was I don't remember back then, it was like

1079
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 2: five hundred some bucks. And he had fuel, you got

1080
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 2: your food, you know, and lah la la la, and

1081
00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 2: he goes, oh, it must be nice, like like I was,

1082
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 2: had all this extra income to throw around. But it's like, well,

1083
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 2: if you break it down, because that particular guy, he

1084
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 2: drinks a lot. Well if if if they cut back

1085
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 2: on like one of the bottle two bottles of vodka

1086
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 2: month that they they buy, he could have been he

1087
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: could have paid for that hunt. You know. It's just

1088
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 2: it seems like we can replace our vices maybe with

1089
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 2: something maybe a good advice like change your vice like

1090
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: from from from coffee stand lattes or or a lot

1091
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 2: of extra drinking or whatever, partying at the bar. You

1092
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 2: can take that money, just shove it in your pocket

1093
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 2: for for tags and elk hunts and deer hunts, and

1094
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 2: now you can afford it.

1095
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: Or he didn't, he didn't see you behind the scenes

1096
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: eating top Ramen every night for dinner for six months,

1097
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: so you could afford to go.

1098
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 2: Right right exactly top problem and hear.

1099
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 1: Me, now, it's all priorities. We we we probably over

1100
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: prioritize this compared to a lot of people, but it's

1101
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: important to us. It's it's part of my identity. I

1102
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: have to be out in the woods chasing something, so

1103
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: we do put lot of priority on it. And to

1104
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: close this up, Dirk, we're just gonna you kind of

1105
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: left me to this. You're like, hey, that's your thing.

1106
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: So I'm just going to kind of walk through some

1107
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 1: important dates and deadlines if it's a state to interest you.

1108
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: And one thing that I'm not going to mention in this,

1109
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: which Dirk is probably going to kill me after this

1110
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: is certain states will have second draws or leftover tag draws.

1111
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: I'm just going to say pay attention to those states.

1112
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: Is there's an opportunity because a lot of times people

1113
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: like forget about the initial stuff will pop up, and

1114
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: there's always opportunity. I think multiple states offer leftovers. You

1115
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,439
Speaker 1: can either read draw or sometimes it's on a first

1116
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: come for serve basis, so there are limited opportunities. I

1117
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: would say it's getting tougher to get than it was

1118
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: in the past, but there are those opportunities in addition

1119
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: to the applications or controlled hunt. So Arizona, like I said,

1120
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,959
Speaker 1: Arizona's actually the day we're recording this podcast, February sixth,

1121
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: deadline I believe at five pm Mountain time. So by

1122
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: the time this comes out, I allologize if you forgot,

1123
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: but you missed Elk and Antelope. Next up will be Montana.

1124
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: It's deadline will be April first, for you know, Deer

1125
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: and Elk. Colorado will be April second, so you get

1126
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: one more day to pony up for Colorado. Colorado is

1127
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 1: one of those states where you just have to buy

1128
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 1: a small I hope I don't get all this wrong.

1129
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: This is going off you years pass. That's why you

1130
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: should always check with the most up to date fish

1131
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: and wildlife rags. Colorado you have to buy like a

1132
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: small game license. You have to have a license in

1133
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: your pocket. In order to apply Montana, you have to

1134
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: front the money for the entire big game combo, which

1135
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 1: I think is approaching thirteen hundred ish for the big

1136
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: game Deer and elk Elk separately might be nine Deer

1137
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: might be set something to that effect. I'm gonna get

1138
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: them all wrong.

1139
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: Expensive.

1140
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: Utah's end of April. April twenty fifth, you got to

1141
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 1: be in for deer, antelope, elk, bison, moose. They do

1142
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: all theirs and their oils at the same time. Then

1143
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: we go into Nevada. You get a couple, you get

1144
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: another week off. May eighth, you need to be in

1145
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: for Nevada bonus point system. Nevada requires you to buy

1146
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: a license and then buy each species point. Oregon is

1147
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: then May fifteenth. Once again, it does have some over

1148
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 1: the counter opportunities, so if you do apply, you don't

1149
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: have to least, I believe, buy your license again. There Washington,

1150
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: you have to buy your license. It's draw is May

1151
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: twenty second, we're super late. And then Idaho like always

1152
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: pulling up the rear. June fifth, you need to be

1153
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: applied in Idaho so that you have zero time to

1154
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: ask for your leave or get physically prepared for that

1155
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: hunt when you find out that you drew. Because I

1156
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: think they let you know, like what mid July for

1157
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: non residents. Crazy late, Yeah, that's crazy. So those are

1158
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: just some of your important dates. Like I say, if

1159
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: there's certain states you know, go confirm those days, but

1160
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: that just kind of you know, you're playing anywhere from

1161
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: like I said, today, Arizona kicks it off. Wyoming, I believe,

1162
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: was due on the thirty first for ELK January, so

1163
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: it's over Idaho. Over the counter stuff is already done

1164
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: way back on December first of the previous year. So

1165
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: coming up, we've got you know, we got New Mexico, Montana, Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, Oregon, Washington,

1166
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: Idaho are still all out ahead of us from the

1167
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: time that this podcast will air, And you got a

1168
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: little bit of time after Arizona kicks things off here

1169
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: in February, so the next time you'll have to pay

1170
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: attention is the uh is New Mexico be coming up

1171
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: next on March twentieth, and then everything's you know, pretty

1172
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: quick in the spring, you know, April May after that.

1173
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: So those are kind of the dates, Like I say,

1174
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: come up with your own strategy. If it's one hundred

1175
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: percent straight opportunity, you don't care whether you're hunting horns

1176
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: or not. Like there are a lot of cow opportunities

1177
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: out there too, And hopefully the fishing game departments are

1178
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: doing their job right and and you know it needs

1179
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: to have cols taken out for the right reasons. But yeah,

1180
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: I don't. Do you have anything else to add, Dirk

1181
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: on what you look for, like anything we may have forgot,

1182
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: like as you head into a into a winner trying

1183
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: to plan your hunts that you think.

1184
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 2: About now you know it's really helpful, is if because

1185
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 2: my memory is about as long as my pinky, So

1186
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 2: it's important to maybe go through those those different states

1187
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 2: that you're interested in and write down the dates and

1188
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 2: important dates, you know, when when the application opens and

1189
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 2: when it closes, and put that on your calendar, my

1190
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 2: on my phone calendar. That way it pops up. I'm like, oh,

1191
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 2: I can start applying for Arizona or right, Oh shoot,

1192
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 2: I better tomorrow is the last day to apply. I

1193
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 2: better get my my act together and get it in

1194
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 2: because it's easy to get busy with life. I mean,

1195
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 2: you and I live this stuff. And there's been a

1196
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 2: couple of times over the years where I'm like, oh, oh, shoot,

1197
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 2: that was like I think last year I asked you

1198
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 2: about Colorado and you're like, yeah, that was like last month.

1199
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I was a real nice friend there.

1200
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: I really helped you out Thanks the last if you.

1201
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,959
Speaker 2: Applied, thanks a lot, phelps for uh, you know, reminding me. Yeah,

1202
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 2: I see how he is. Oh yeah, I team player.

1203
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: Trust me. I'm like two Arizona deer points behind my

1204
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: Elkin Antelope because they throw it off in its own

1205
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: little category later and I missed it multiple times. But yeah,

1206
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: it's it's tough to miss. And I think I think

1207
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: there are some apps out there. I don't even know

1208
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: which ones to do it. There's got to be an

1209
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: app out there that reminds you on draw deadlines or

1210
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: like you, I'm the same way where I'm just going in.

1211
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: I take these days I just read off to you. Guys.

1212
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: I've got them all plugged into my calendar and you know,

1213
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: a week or two ahead of time because I'm telling

1214
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: you what. There are states where you try to plan

1215
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: in the last day and their systems go down in

1216
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: servers and some of them just don't allow you to redo.

1217
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: So if there's any technical difficulties, I want those to happen,

1218
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: you know, seven ten days ahead of the final day.

1219
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 2: I had an app on my phone that I got

1220
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 2: like in twenty thirteen. I think I paid the guy

1221
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 2: at dollar. It was something ridiculous cheap and he just

1222
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 2: started out and you went in and you picked the

1223
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 2: states that you had points in and stuff and you

1224
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 2: and you would get reminders through the app and text messages.

1225
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 2: Well that was like four phones ago, and I delete

1226
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 2: you know, you know how you clean out your phone

1227
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 2: you delete apps like a doing thing whatever. Well, I

1228
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 2: still get text messages on the states at the time

1229
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 2: that I had points in or I was applying in,

1230
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 2: but the new stuff it doesn't remind me so and

1231
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 2: I don't remember the name of the app. So it's like, man,

1232
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 2: if I really I really wish I remembered what that

1233
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 2: app was, but it was like point to Point Hunter

1234
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 2: or point save Point something I don't know.

1235
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's there's a lot. There's got to be

1236
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:46,959
Speaker 1: an I like said, I don't use them, but there's

1237
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: got to be something out there. But yeah, that's kind

1238
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: of our our strategy, kind of our management of trying

1239
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: to get some tags. And yeah, we appreciate all of

1240
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: you listening in and if you have any questions for us,

1241
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: once again, send them over to us ct D at

1242
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: Phelps game Calls dot com or hit Dirk up on

1243
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: his hotline, which he's going to give us right now,

1244
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: right now, and let me oh, I didn't have you

1245
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: didn't have You're prepared early.

1246
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 2: Sorry, my fingers were faster than you were talking. But

1247
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 2: it's uh too O eight two one nine seven seven

1248
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 2: zero one, kind of like those Info infomercial guys on

1249
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: on the radio. And and also if you just want to,

1250
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 2: you know, get on there and and leave a message

1251
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 2: and say how good Maverick diaphragms are versus pink phelps

1252
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 2: sons that that's cool too. I mean, I love I

1253
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 2: love hearing that, and I can always forward those to

1254
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 2: Jason Derek.

1255
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: Just for that, I'm gonna put that phone number on

1256
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: a Craigslist ad for free firewood in the Boise area

1257
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: way and I'm going to destroy your line for that

1258
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 1: little No, I'm just kidding. I've never done to you,

1259
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: but sorry. We appreciate you all. We appreciate you all.

1260
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: Good luck, and you're in you're hunting for tags. There's

1261
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: two seasons now, you hunt for tags and you get

1262
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: to up for the animal later. So good luck, everybody.

1263
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: Appreciate you all, and take care of