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Speaker 1: This is kJ Live with Chris john Sallie and Chris

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Speaker 1: is having conversations with influencers in the sports world and

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Speaker 1: entertainment in a strain. Now here's Chris Johnson. You're now

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Speaker 1: found in to kJ Live. Today's guests on the show.

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Speaker 1: He's a play by play announcement, studio hosts and future

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Speaker 1: producer reporter. She has broadcast games with Fox Sports, f

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Speaker 1: S One, ESPN, Turner Sports, CBS, and the SEC Network,

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Speaker 1: just to name a few. She's a trailblazer in the

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Speaker 1: field of broadcasting and in one she was named the

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Speaker 1: first full time female played by play announcer in the

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Speaker 1: NBA by the Milwaukee Bucks. Let's welcome in, Lisa Buyington

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Speaker 1: into the building. Lisa, how are you good? Chris, I'm

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Speaker 1: here a little bit of your dad. Boy. That's that's

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Speaker 1: a compliment too, election, the pauses, the the pace of

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Speaker 1: your speech. I love it. I feel like I'm talking

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Speaker 1: to a younger m J. Which, by the way, I

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Speaker 1: always want to ask one of his partners, how is

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Speaker 1: it working with my dad? Shout out to my dad.

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Speaker 1: He hooked this up side. We got to talk about

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Speaker 1: markets for a second. How what how is it working?

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Speaker 1: With my dad, Lisa. I love it. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's part Hollywood, part Hall of Hall of Famer. I

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Speaker 1: always feel like he should go into the Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame eventually and be a people take no please. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know that's another maybe that's another podcast for another day.

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Speaker 1: But you know, Marcus Johnson provides um, what I call

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Speaker 1: is very unique in an analyst. You know, and whatever

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Speaker 1: sport you're doing, you know, a lot of people are

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Speaker 1: either heavy on the excess and nose or heavy on

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Speaker 1: the entertainment. And there are very few that can bounce

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Speaker 1: between both, you know, and and teach the game and

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Speaker 1: be heavy on the excess and os but also be

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Speaker 1: fun and entertaining. And Marcus Johnson is the unique individual

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Speaker 1: that can nay it through both worlds and he and

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Speaker 1: I consider myself a basketball person. I played in college

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Speaker 1: and and watched it my whole life. My dad was

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Speaker 1: my high school coach, so I'm not It's not like

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Speaker 1: I know everything about basketball, but when when you grow

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Speaker 1: up playing and watching the sport, you know, you notice

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Speaker 1: things beyond the obvious. And he has just a level

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Speaker 1: So I love yeah, I love to call my dad

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Speaker 1: your favorite basketball players favorite basketball player. I saw because

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Speaker 1: I read somewhere or I heard you talk about you

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Speaker 1: your love from Michael Jordan's growing up and I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure if you're familiar, but Michael Jordan had MJ had

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Speaker 1: MJ's poster. That's my claim to favor your favorite basketball

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Speaker 1: player's favorite basketball player, that's my dad. But talk about

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Speaker 1: talking about your beginnings, the foundation for you. You turned

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Speaker 1: into this amazing broadcaster, but you have an athletic back around.

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Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to touch on that and just

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Speaker 1: get an understanding of when you know, what what sports

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Speaker 1: did you play and what got you into athletics so heavy,

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Speaker 1: you know, I love it. The fact that my mom

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Speaker 1: and dad they weren't they weren't the parents Chris who

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Speaker 1: made me specialized. I think too many you know, kids

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Speaker 1: what they did is they let me, as I got

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Speaker 1: I think to my growth and just the versatility I

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Speaker 1: or whatever, was I still going to enjoy it? And

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00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 1: the answer is yes, I mean I just you get,

429
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 1: you know, some of the best seats in the house, um,

430
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 1: and to watch the best players, the best athletes in

431
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 1: the world. And and as a basketball person, as a

432
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 1: pure basketball person, there is nothing better. There's no job

433
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,239
Speaker 1: that is better than that. They take care of us,

434
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 1: you know, like we travel with the team, so I

435
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: have no complaints about where we stay and how we fly.

436
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: And the only thing that I have to make sure

437
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: I'm doing is is making that bus on time that

438
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 1: goes to the arena or in the second bus, the

439
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: first bus or the second but well I'm always first bus.

440
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 1: I loved getting there early. Your father's would be like

441
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 1: the fifth bus, even though there's three buses available, he

442
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 1: would be on bus five. You can help show up

443
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: like five minutes before we have Oh my god, Oh

444
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: my god. But he's he's first in line for the

445
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 1: food post game. Oh you know if he's john he's

446
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 1: a Johnson. He knows what's up. He's the last of

447
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 1: the court to arrive in the pre game, but the

448
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: first in line for postcame dinner. Absolutely. Oh that's funny.

449
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 1: That's so funny. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. I

450
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: wanted to get your perspective on your honest because I

451
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,959
Speaker 1: feel like he's one of the greatest basketball players I've

452
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: ever seen played a game. Um, do you share this sentiment?

453
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: Is it too early to call him that? Where are

454
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: you at with him in his historical standing already? I

455
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: mean it's he's twenty seven years old, he's going on

456
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 1: twenty eight, and he's a two time league MVP, He's

457
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 1: an NBA champion, he's all offensive player. I mean, you

458
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 1: name it. Um, he just did in in the last season.

459
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: He just had four straight seasons of averaging twenty five

460
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 1: or more points. Ten or more rebounds, five or more assists.

461
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 1: No other NBA player has done that. And here's here's

462
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: the deal. He's at twenty seven, going to twenty eight.

463
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: So this is the sweet spot part of his career.

464
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: We've seen so many athletes and basketball players in general,

465
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: you know, I think from maybe ages twenty seven to

466
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: maybe thirty three really kind of stepped their level up.

467
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 1: And and I think he's He's the one guy where

468
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: you tell him you can't make a free throw, honest,

469
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: what's he gonna do. He's gonna work on his free

470
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: throw you can. All you are is a is a

471
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 1: driver and a dunker, honest. So what's he gonna do.

472
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: He's gonna work on his mid range game, He's gonna

473
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 1: work on his three point game. He's gonna do all

474
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Speaker 1: of that he has. And here's the other thing. So

475
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 1: I have two favorite honest moments from year one of

476
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: calling the Bucks, and I'll tell you what they are.

477
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: And and it had nothing to do with setting the

478
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 1: all time Bucks scoring record, which a lot of people

479
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 1: would think, oh, was you know against the nets when

480
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: he you know, surpassed Kareem. It wasn't that. So there

481
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: was a game, uh, January one against the Pelicans, and

482
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: he had a triple double. So he gets you know,

483
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 1: everybody needs that last tenth assist, you get your triple double,

484
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: that's the last stat you're usually chasing. So he he

485
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: passed it off. I think it was Deconnasson and Pat

486
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 1: Connatson his three pointer and so now he has his

487
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: triple double. So then the next time down the court, um,

488
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to worry about passing it off. He's like,

489
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: this is my time. So triples across. McCourt pulls up

490
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: and uh and just drills the three and it was

491
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: at five serf form, and the place goes nuts and

492
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: he starts walking back like this. People are listening to

493
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 1: this and they can't see what I'm doing, Like I'm

494
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: kind of waving my arms back. You know. He's like

495
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: saw turning back like this, and um, and my call was,

496
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: you know, this is his night, this is his year.

497
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: And and that was one of my favorite moments for

498
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: Janice was because I realized at that moment when he's

499
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Speaker 1: flaring his arms and he's walking back like I'm honest,

500
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: not the pompo, you know, And but it was the joy.

501
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: So Number one, it's the joy that he shows that

502
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: he never takes for granted with this game. You know,

503
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: he's always going to be that seven year old or

504
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: eight year old kid growing up, and he will never

505
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: lose that passion. He's a multime millionaire and one of

506
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: the best, is not eventually the best to ever play

507
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: the game. And he still has that joy. That's number one.

508
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: Number two thank with the Chris. Number two is his

509
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: awareness of the game. He scored, he scored fifty points

510
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 1: against the Pacers in February and he was sitting on

511
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: forty eight points, did a little like step back move

512
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: from the wing and knocked on the jumper and you

513
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: know what he did. He went five zero with his

514
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: hands and he did it to the camera. He knew

515
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,959
Speaker 1: where the camera was, and he just suddenly as he's

516
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: running back, went five zero. He knew the meaning of

517
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: that shot. He knew where the camera was. It's just

518
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: his i Q, his awareness and number one the joy

519
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: and number two that that i Q and awareness that

520
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: is in my opinion, going to set him apart absolutely.

521
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: I mean when you you saw him this summer in

522
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: Greece and just how that joy love for the game

523
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: just kind of with his rubbed off on his teammates

524
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: and he's like, you know, the jokester. Behind the scenes,

525
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: he's picking up, hugging the coach. I mean, he's doing

526
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: all kind of crazy stuff, but it makes you just

527
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: fall in love with the guy. I mean, there's nothing

528
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: about Janice that I don't love. I can't wait to

529
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: hear him talking to press conference because he's gonna come

530
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: with a joke. He's gonna say something funny. It's gonna

531
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: be like an old school dad joke, but it's gonna

532
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: be funny. And that's the thing I love about him

533
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: is that old soul. Um the Bucks. Can you honest

534
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: lead this year's Milwaukee Bucks to the title? He tried

535
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: his hardest to do it. Uh In that in that

536
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: Celtics playoff series last year, right when when Chris Middleton

537
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: is hurt, I mean he was. I just remember the

538
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: image of the cameras finding him when when they finally

539
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: realized in Game seven, Bucks aren't gonna come back, and

540
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: and he just was He's sitting on the bench and

541
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: he was exhausted. He I've given everything he could and

542
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: it's still the Bucks still felt short. So as good

543
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: as Janice is, he's gonna need a healthy team around him,

544
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: and and I think he needs all of the Big three.

545
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: You know, we saw if you lose one of the

546
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: Big three, they're just not which is not the same team.

547
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: And so so they need all three of those guys

548
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 1: and Drew Holiday and Chris Middleton and Janice to be

549
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: healthy to even begin that conversation. Their defense needs to

550
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: get better, and I think we're seeing at the early

551
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 1: part of this season some of the early three point

552
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: opponent defensive adjustments that Button his staff are trying to make.

553
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: But but that needs to get better. And so do

554
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: they have the talent, absolutely, Do they have the health?

555
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: I don't know yet. You know, we we haven't seen

556
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: Chris Middleton yet return. You know now he's got a

557
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: new risk injury from that knee injury that that forced

558
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: him to miss the playoffs last year. So health is

559
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: number one. They have the talent, but but they have

560
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: to it healthy. Joe Ingles is gonna be an important

561
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: equation in my opinion. Um, I love what the Sports

562
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: Performance stafted last year with Brook Lopez, and they had

563
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: a very systematic with his back surgery. So they had

564
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: a very systematic timeline of when he would return. You know,

565
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: they were they were targeting February March, and they hit

566
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: that target. And when he came back, only played what

567
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: like thirteen games, but when he came back, it was

568
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: so impressive to me. It was almost like he hadn't

569
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: missed a beat, you know, especially in those first few

570
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: games back, and he was such an integral part. And

571
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: I feel like the timeline for Joe Ingles is going

572
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: to be in a somewhat similar way. The sports performance

573
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: team is going to get him back. They wouldn't have

574
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: brought him in if they didn't see that health was

575
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: going to be there. He's going to be a key

576
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: component because we realized the wing depth wasn't there when

577
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: we lost Chris, and so um, he's going to provide

578
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: a little bit more of that that wing depth as

579
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: a shooter, as a creator, even with his size. So

580
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: I think he can be a really key component that

581
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: we won't even see until maybe January or February this year. Yeah,

582
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: looking forward to listening to you and my dad on

583
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: the calls this year with the bucks. Um, you guys

584
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: do an amazing job and every game Chris I tried

585
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: to I try to listen to it I tried to

586
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: listen to every game. We gotta give you more of

587
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: a shout out that I know, right, but he never

588
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: shouts me out. But that's okay, that's okay. I'm used

589
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: to it by now. He talked about his daughter the

590
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: other day. Yeah, she's a baller. So she's like, she's

591
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: like six one, she's like a k D. Yeah, it's

592
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: gonna be good. It's gonna be good. And she works

593
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: hard to Yeah, she loves the game as well. She's

594
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: obsessed with it. She's looking up stuff on YouTube, watching

595
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: old players. You know, anytime you watch looking at video

596
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: old players from back in the eighties and stuff, and

597
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: you're a thirteen year old today, you love a game

598
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: because you know she's got her daddy's heart. With that, right, absolutely, absolutely, well,

599
00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: at least I wanted you to leave leave us with um. Um,

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00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: just just a piece of advice for young broadcasters, men

601
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: and women, boys and girls that are coming up that

602
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: aspire to be in your shoes one day. Um. Centered

603
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: around this phrase that you use, shaping the moment versus

604
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: being the moment? What does that mean? And what type

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00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: of advice would you give to broadcasters coming up to

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00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: use that sort of as you know, it's something that

607
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: they should listen to. Well, I use that phrase really

608
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: to describe my job as a play by play. You know,

609
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: everyone says, hotway, what's your style? What do you try

610
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: to do? And and that was my answers. I tried

611
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: to help shape the moment and not be the moment.

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00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: And so that is meaning, you know, add your own

613
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: style and the personality to it, but know that there's

614
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,479
Speaker 1: a lot of other people to go into that and um,

615
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: you're not the most important person that's going into that moment.

616
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: So um. So that's that's where that phrase comes from.

617
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: And and my advice would be two people who are thinking,

618
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: you know, how do I get in this business or

619
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: what do I do? I have all these dreams and goals,

620
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: and I think it's you know, dream big, right, but

621
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: understand that there's the small steps to get to that

622
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: big dream sometimes and and be willing to do it

623
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: no matter how much you're getting paid, no matter how

624
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: many hours you're working. And we've talked about getting the nose.

625
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: So don't let this maybe the most important piece of advice.

626
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: Don't let someone else's know be your no. And that's

627
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: really important. Let me say that again. Don't let someone

628
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: else's know be your no. Might be someone else's no

629
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: for you at the time, but it doesn't have to

630
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: be your no for eternity. You know, you define your

631
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: own road to success, You define the stops that you

632
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: say yes or no to along the way, and you

633
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: define what your dreams are. So don't ever let anyone

634
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: tell you that your dreams are too big or you

635
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: can't accomplish those, because it is your life, it is

636
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: your world, and you get a chance to kind of

637
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: shape that in and around everybody else's world. Absolutely well, Lisa,

638
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time today. I know

639
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: you gotta catch a flight. I appreciate you spending some

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Speaker 1: time with kJ live. I think everybody's gonna really love

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Speaker 1: hearing your perspective on a lot of things and find

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Speaker 1: it a little bit about you. This was a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun, kJ. I really enjoyed it. I'm happy that

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Speaker 1: you asked me on. And I'm a big I'm a

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Speaker 1: big Johnson fans, so with the with the family, and

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Speaker 1: so it was an offer to be on. We're fans

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Speaker 1: of yours as well. Thank you. I appreciate ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: Lisa buyington