Speaker 1: Did. He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys
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Speaker 1: at the Star in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Select Ezekiel Elliott
Speaker 1: and now your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Brian
Speaker 1: brought us. Well, welcome to the Draft Show the SWBC
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Speaker 1: Executive producing today. Glad to have him along. Here is
Speaker 1: Kent Garrison is on assignment at the Owners meeting, so
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll have something draft related from Stephen Jones. Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones from the Owners Meetings says they get going there
Speaker 1: in Florida, gentlemen, I'm getting close to this thing. One month.
Speaker 1: One month. Well you look tired, Dane. Yeah, okay, it's
Speaker 1: the last week before the beast comes out. Basic so
Speaker 1: I haven't been asleep yet tonight or this morning with
Speaker 1: time as at ten am. Uh so you know you's
Speaker 1: got to find pocket of time to sleep and it's
Speaker 1: got one week to finish. So we're almost there, almost there. Well,
Speaker 1: it's good to have you back though we missed you
Speaker 1: the other day. Katie filled in. Well, bet he did well.
Speaker 1: It's the first time I've actually listened to the Draft
Speaker 1: show in like four years really because a good point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: me and Dane aren't sick like you. We don't go
Speaker 1: back and listen to every episode, so it was it
Speaker 1: was good to actually catch an episode. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what what you how do you think we did? You
Speaker 1: did great? Katie did a nice job filling in. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Tay brought some some fire at the end.
Speaker 1: So you guys did a nice job. Well, thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. But it's nice to have you back
Speaker 1: in that chair. Yeah, it's it's a relief having you
Speaker 1: here to be our safety nut. I kind of tease
Speaker 1: the idea earlier on Twitter that the Cowboys now making
Speaker 1: some moves, David Hellman, and this is where you come
Speaker 1: in and In't it nice to go on a show
Speaker 1: with actual things to talk about that aren't just going
Speaker 1: to generate sarcastic comments. You know, we'll see how sarcastic
Speaker 1: people can be. But now now the narrative, guys changes
Speaker 1: to things that the Cowboys have done, and there's a
Speaker 1: couple of official things that you can talk about, Dave,
Speaker 1: I think the wide receiver well, and then a handful
Speaker 1: of actually because they agreed to part of it though,
Speaker 1: well throw it okay, throw in Joe Thomas. So they
Speaker 1: signed you know, at a retirement. Yeah, gott to clarify
Speaker 1: there goes, Yeah, we just can a linebacker. Gonna move
Speaker 1: the college right in there to guard. They signed a
Speaker 1: They signed a you know, versatile special teams backup linebackers
Speaker 1: Thomas h They signed Deonte Thompson, the speedy, uh fourth
Speaker 1: wide receiver type guy. And then the big news obviously
Speaker 1: as they signed Alan Hearns on Friday. He figures to
Speaker 1: be your number two maybe as it looks right now. Honestly,
Speaker 1: he could play any of the top three receiver spots
Speaker 1: most likely actually saw it. Plays a lot more or
Speaker 1: played a lot more on the slot in Jacksonville than
Speaker 1: people want to give him credit for. Right um. And
Speaker 1: then the unofficial news is that they made a handful
Speaker 1: of movements on the offensive line. Uh, you know, there's
Speaker 1: nothing official from the club, but it sounds like maybe
Speaker 1: agreed to terms kind of a thing camera working on
Speaker 1: agreeing to terms. Cameron Fleming, the oh tackle from New
Speaker 1: England is expected to sign here back to the sign.
Speaker 1: There you go, Marcus Martin, the guard Cleveland is expected
Speaker 1: to sign. There was a third one, wasn't there? Or
Speaker 1: did I make that up? You made that up? Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Hey, hey, there might be there were pretty
Speaker 1: nice signings. There might be another maybe and we don't
Speaker 1: know it yet, another guard resigning maybe. Oh that's you're right, yeah,
Speaker 1: big jumbo Joe. Yeah, So we'll kind of wait and
Speaker 1: see how that'll um. But I mean, so, you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, there's I don't think there's been any
Speaker 1: ink on paper yet, so let's not yeah, counting our
Speaker 1: chickens before they hatch. But if those deals go through,
Speaker 1: that's that's what you were looking for, right Dane. I
Speaker 1: mean that's your your was asking for a guard. You're
Speaker 1: talking about a guy who could see your redically start
Speaker 1: for this team at guard and a tackle who's good
Speaker 1: enough to start if he needs to. I know we
Speaker 1: already talked about. Um, the possibility that this creates a
Speaker 1: shuffle in the lineup, maybe they want to start fleming
Speaker 1: a tackle and move li All back to guard feels
Speaker 1: super duper premature for those types of conversations, but that
Speaker 1: is something that got floated out there. So I mean
Speaker 1: they've got they've got pieces. Now, they've got starter quality
Speaker 1: players that they've brought in to help bolster that group. Well,
Speaker 1: what was the selling you know, not again nothing official yet,
Speaker 1: but the selling point to Fleming? You know, we're gonna
Speaker 1: bring you in so you could be our six offensive linemen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: swing guy, I agree. I mean that's much of a
Speaker 1: selling point, you know, unless he can go back to
Speaker 1: New England and been that exactly, unless you're really overpaying,
Speaker 1: which you know, we'll find out the the you know,
Speaker 1: the details, but you know it's something that I'm we're
Speaker 1: gonna find out the play in here pretty soon, whether
Speaker 1: that's going to be Collins at guard uh, if they're
Speaker 1: gonna mix it match try you know, the five best
Speaker 1: on the field formula, whatever that may be. It's it's
Speaker 1: going to be interesting. Yeah, I am. I am interested
Speaker 1: because again, I want to know, do you guys feel
Speaker 1: like though this that should any of these moves take
Speaker 1: them out of it kind of? It shuffles your It
Speaker 1: shuffles your thought process, doesn't it. That's my question I
Speaker 1: want to ask. You brought us Yeah, Okay, what does
Speaker 1: this mean for specifically nineteen in the first round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with the additions two wide receivers, party that all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, that's a crowded wide receiver. Yeah, and and
Speaker 1: needs to be needs to be cleaned up. It actually
Speaker 1: needs And I personally, and we did a mailbag this
Speaker 1: morning on Dallas Cowboys dot Com where we were talking
Speaker 1: about didn't feel like that. I didn't feel like that
Speaker 1: this movement is over with. I don't I don't feel
Speaker 1: I mean, you said it, Dane, to open the show
Speaker 1: thirty days until the draft. I think that I think
Speaker 1: that we're going to see some things here in the
Speaker 1: coming days, you know, leading up to the draft. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do at receiver now, and
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do at you know, offensive tackle.
Speaker 1: Not that they have to tell us everything. Guard our
Speaker 1: guard for that thing. So you know, in a week
Speaker 1: from today, we've got thirty visits coming up for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: you know. And and as we come back, maybe on Thursday,
Speaker 1: David and I will be at Texas A and M
Speaker 1: Pro Day. I'm gonna get to your question. We have
Speaker 1: Texas m Pro Day on Tuesday, University of Texas on Wednesday. Yep,
Speaker 1: a lot of guys working out at those two places.
Speaker 1: That would be kind of fun for us to cover
Speaker 1: that on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. But the thirty visit
Speaker 1: thing will be interesting because I haven't heard any rumors
Speaker 1: or speculation that the guys that we've talked about, and
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk is a guy we might see and that's
Speaker 1: why bringing us up because he was rumored to be
Speaker 1: a guy that was a thirty visit guy. And then
Speaker 1: you know, also though with Calvin Ridley, are there other
Speaker 1: receivers did they did they say okay that we were
Speaker 1: gonna go. They might totally remake this receiving corps. They might,
Speaker 1: I mean, they might just say, you know what, let's
Speaker 1: change this piece out. Let's change this piece out. Let's
Speaker 1: change I don't personally feel like me that there's anything
Speaker 1: off the board right now for the Cowboys as far
Speaker 1: as as far as at nineteen, I still think. Look,
Speaker 1: I still feel like though that I think everything's still
Speaker 1: in play until we get an idea of where this
Speaker 1: thing really really is at. Yeah, even with the addition
Speaker 1: of Hearns and Thompson, you know, if they visit these guys,
Speaker 1: I mean, the heck they might Christian Kirk? Okay, how
Speaker 1: do you see Christian Kirk if they had an opportunity
Speaker 1: to draft at Christian Kirk at nineteen? How do you
Speaker 1: see or trade back whatever you want to, scenario you
Speaker 1: want to how do you see him fitting? Is he
Speaker 1: just a slot player? Does that mean they're gonna redo
Speaker 1: things with you know, with Beasley, with Switzer? Are they
Speaker 1: gonna you know? And Hearns did a lot of his
Speaker 1: best work out of the slot. Yeah, so I think
Speaker 1: he's more of an X myself. But that's what I think,
Speaker 1: Like it was mentioned before, he could really play any
Speaker 1: of the three and you feel comforable with it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's they're doing. I think some they're going in the
Speaker 1: right direction because they're leaving themselves open to take the
Speaker 1: best player available right that fits kind of their needs,
Speaker 1: but without having a glaring need where they have to
Speaker 1: take a receiver, they have to take a guard, they
Speaker 1: have to take this or that position. So you know,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of names that are going
Speaker 1: to be available there and it's really gonna be interesting
Speaker 1: to see which way they day lean. And that's I'm
Speaker 1: you know. I think I said that in the mailbag
Speaker 1: we answered this morning, which is this is you know,
Speaker 1: we're seeing it took a little while, but we're seeing
Speaker 1: their free agency strategy play out the way that they
Speaker 1: typically want to do it, which is they've made at
Speaker 1: least one, if not multiple signings at all of their
Speaker 1: really big areas of need, with the exception of safety probably,
Speaker 1: But you know, you added a linebacker mainly special teamer,
Speaker 1: but can do you know some things to help He
Speaker 1: is Santhony Hitching, Yeah he is. He is Kyle Wilbur,
Speaker 1: but think of him as a Justin Durant. Yeah he
Speaker 1: don't think of him as Kyle Wilbur. Think of him
Speaker 1: as Justin. He's Kyle Wilbur, but he can do a
Speaker 1: little bit more undep. Justin Rant couldn't play specialty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go. He's in that which you know I
Speaker 1: think of that. Would they be happy if he's the
Speaker 1: only addition they make to their linebacker corp? No? No,
Speaker 1: But it frees you up to where you don't have
Speaker 1: to get that guy at nineteen or fifty now if
Speaker 1: you I mean if you probably still should, but it
Speaker 1: gives you a little bit of leeway same thing with
Speaker 1: your offensive lineman. I mean, how exactly they're going to
Speaker 1: shuffle it, I don't know. But if you you know,
Speaker 1: you're not in a situation now where Isaiah Wynn has
Speaker 1: to be your pick because you don't have a left
Speaker 1: guard and you're not in a situation this is a
Speaker 1: visit too. We don't know about Win, but her name
Speaker 1: who just grow a guard in there. He doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be your your nineteenth overall pick because you have
Speaker 1: a guy who can do it. Same thing. Obviously, You've
Speaker 1: got more than enough wide receivers who can do it
Speaker 1: right now, so you know, unless something crazy happens, you
Speaker 1: don't necessarily need to address that early either. Do you
Speaker 1: think this changes maybe their thoughts on possibly moving up
Speaker 1: in the dress. Yeah, that's where I'm going. Go get
Speaker 1: ro Quan, Yeah, go get Drwin, Go get your top defense.
Speaker 1: Is that where you're going or is that we're there? Oh?
Speaker 1: If I was running this team, we'd be flying up.
Speaker 1: I know, and I agree with you, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, I care less about our opinion. If I'm
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett, If I'm Jason Garrett, I want you to
Speaker 1: trade up. Hell yeah, yeah, I'm not sitting here watching
Speaker 1: me play with guys that are halfway through the season.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, it's like, oh, we figured it out,
Speaker 1: and you know your team is two and six. Now,
Speaker 1: uh know who you're going up to get. I'm going
Speaker 1: to get one. I'm going to get that linebacker. I'm
Speaker 1: going to get that safety. I'm going to get one
Speaker 1: of those two. Those are those are top ten players
Speaker 1: to me for me and I agree. But and now
Speaker 1: I know how y'all feel about this, and you know
Speaker 1: how I feel about this. So um so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: sound redundant, but I don't care. They signed Joe Thomas
Speaker 1: again and helps them sort out that linebacker problem. You
Speaker 1: could probably wait until later to a draft. Basically, what
Speaker 1: is a backup to Jayalen Smith? Yeah? What don't you
Speaker 1: have right now? A badass safety? Right? Yeah? I mean
Speaker 1: when you look at it, like, what haven't they addressed
Speaker 1: of all their biggest needs? That's there you go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So if I'm going I'm going to get that guy.
Speaker 1: We don't often take calls, but I'll take one right now.
Speaker 1: How about Sean and New York Sean? Go ahead? Hello, Sean? Yeah? Hello? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's go ahead? What do you got man? Yes, hold on,
Speaker 1: I had a crazy idea why you guys were talking,
Speaker 1: even though I don't want to get rid of Martin
Speaker 1: a guard, but what if we could trade Martin and
Speaker 1: get a few picks trading like to like cleave and
Speaker 1: get some high price back qualities for him and just
Speaker 1: pick one of the top guards there, so you could
Speaker 1: save money by not paying him a big contract and
Speaker 1: giving them all this money and then you give you
Speaker 1: four more years because we're running out on a short
Speaker 1: window with Dak, because soon Dak is like just gonna
Speaker 1: be here because we KNOWE. So we started pushing all
Speaker 1: that money to Martin, we could save them money, put
Speaker 1: it towards picked, and then Michael overpaid, could draft picked
Speaker 1: In could probably take on Errol Thomas as a as
Speaker 1: money that we could save or not even Earl Thomas,
Speaker 1: or just save our money or just spend our money wisely.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying. We could save not giving
Speaker 1: Martin a big pay day, even though I know he's
Speaker 1: a heart and soul because him if Frederick worked like
Speaker 1: peanut butter and jelly, Yeah, thank you, Sean, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: good day, thank you. Appreciate that he guy's interested in
Speaker 1: trading Zack Martin. I think, well, I get what he's saying.
Speaker 1: I get what I'm saying. That's out of the box.
Speaker 1: I appreciate he's got the right idea. If you're you're
Speaker 1: paying all these guys, you know, the question is who
Speaker 1: at the top of the board can you trade? Can
Speaker 1: you trade Zack Martin to? I mean, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: Are we looking at are you looking at trade? Are
Speaker 1: you trading in Indianapolis? So you trade him? I mean,
Speaker 1: then why would in Indianapolis to Quentin Nelson. That's that's
Speaker 1: kind of what I was saying. You're gonna have to
Speaker 1: you would have to get by the way, just Zack
Speaker 1: Martin is an Indianapolis guy. He's from Indianapolis. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: dad used to work for the NC double A. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even these teams with all this cap space, like, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a big deal for the Colts or the
Speaker 1: Browns to sign Zack Martin to a huge deal. But yeah,
Speaker 1: first of all, the Browns already have guards anyway. Second,
Speaker 1: that's why Martin didn't bite much at all, well at all.
Speaker 1: There that Marcus Martin. Yes, yeah, Marcus h that's it's
Speaker 1: the same philosophy. Why would the Browns want to take
Speaker 1: on a sixty seven million dollars contract when they can
Speaker 1: just draft Quintin Nelson if that's what they want. I mean,
Speaker 1: Colts is probably a better example because they would need
Speaker 1: a guard more than the Browns too, But why would
Speaker 1: you want to pay Zack Martin seventy million to be
Speaker 1: your guard when you can draft Quentin Nelson and pay
Speaker 1: him twenty two or the next you know, yeah, half
Speaker 1: a decade, and with the uncertainty with Tyron, you know,
Speaker 1: just for the future. I mean, Tyron when he's healthy,
Speaker 1: is a top three tackle in this league? Sure, maybe
Speaker 1: number one? Sure, But with the back I mean backs,
Speaker 1: you know they don't backs never really get better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just kind of have to hide it a little bit,
Speaker 1: and you just have to worry about that for the future.
Speaker 1: So I am not getting rid of the best guard,
Speaker 1: arguably the best guard in football went in creating a
Speaker 1: whole amount offensive line. I get the point he's trying
Speaker 1: to make save some money, save some cap room, but
Speaker 1: I just can't do it. I mean, yeah, we don't
Speaker 1: know how those call track negotiations are going. You know,
Speaker 1: if Zach Martin's really asking for to be the highest
Speaker 1: paid OFFICEI lineman ever in NFL history, or if he's
Speaker 1: being reasonable, I mean, who knows how that's going. But
Speaker 1: I just can't envision a scenario where I would look
Speaker 1: to get rid of him, not only and I mean
Speaker 1: I certainly would have thought that deal would have been
Speaker 1: done by now, certainly sure, But even with the delay,
Speaker 1: I'm still very confident it will get done, even if
Speaker 1: I mean, if he got to if he's got to
Speaker 1: play this year on the one year option, which I
Speaker 1: think they would prefer not to do. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but but you know, by the time next league year
Speaker 1: rolls around, when he would be headed for free agency,
Speaker 1: they'll they'll work something out. And Zach Martin's not going
Speaker 1: in with thought. What I'm worried about right now is
Speaker 1: the price of poker to go and get a pick
Speaker 1: up in that top twelve. Now with the way teams
Speaker 1: are scramming to get quarterbacks, well maybe I'm worried if
Speaker 1: someone's going to really hold you up, you know, for
Speaker 1: something that you I mean, we've always thought about fifty's
Speaker 1: being the one way to get there, always thought about,
Speaker 1: hey flip fifty and go go get a guy, Go
Speaker 1: get in the top, Go get in the top eleven
Speaker 1: if you can. But I just kind of I'm a
Speaker 1: little worried now. I want to go, I do want
Speaker 1: to go. I want to go, be aggressive on it,
Speaker 1: but I have I'm a little worried about that. I
Speaker 1: have a couple of thoughts there. One is that we're
Speaker 1: seeing a fun amount of movement movement at the top
Speaker 1: of the draft. Right, Jets have already gone up everybody.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a poorly kept secret that the Bills
Speaker 1: are trying. I mean, they're gonna go up right, you
Speaker 1: know all that. So you're in a position where a
Speaker 1: lot of these quarterbacks could be gone way before pick ten.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I mean Darnold Rosen, Alan Mayfield,
Speaker 1: we would maybe all agree, will be gone by eight.
Speaker 1: Very possible. Yeah, And so I mean that leaves Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson is a bit of a wild card, but there
Speaker 1: might not be that much of a quarterback market left
Speaker 1: by the time you're talking about pick ten or two.
Speaker 1: So I think teams are reasonable too. I mean, if
Speaker 1: who were sitting there at nine, say San Francisco, say
Speaker 1: they want to move back, it's a little different when
Speaker 1: Arizona calls them and they you know they're going to
Speaker 1: get a quarterback. Well, San Francisco is gonna ask for
Speaker 1: a little bit more as opposed to Dallas, who is
Speaker 1: going up to get a safety. Asking price will be
Speaker 1: a little bit different. Now, if you know, if if
Speaker 1: Dallas offers nineteen and fifty and says best offer there,
Speaker 1: it is they're gonna go to Arizona and say, okay,
Speaker 1: well we need your first second plus next US two
Speaker 1: or whatever right they ask. If they don't do it,
Speaker 1: they might go with the Cowboys offer. So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: there's a good chance the quarterbacks we wiped out in
Speaker 1: the top eight or so, and so nine, ten, eleven
Speaker 1: possible trade up spots. Do you think people will be
Speaker 1: trading up though? Okay, then if you all those quarterbacks
Speaker 1: should go in, then now you're talking about really good
Speaker 1: positional players being there though too, Runner, right, guards, that's
Speaker 1: how it works. I mean, good players is gonna complying backers.
Speaker 1: But I think there's gonna be teams willing to get out.
Speaker 1: This is not well. Do you think Ballard at six
Speaker 1: is willing to bail? Absolutely? I mean I think he's
Speaker 1: very comfortable sitting where he is and taking Quentin Nelson,
Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb a stud. If let's just say three quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: you go into top five, he's guaranteed Chub, Barkley or Nelson,
Speaker 1: He's guaranteed one of those three players right, arguably the
Speaker 1: three best players in this draft. So he feels great
Speaker 1: with where he is at six. But he is definitely
Speaker 1: listening to offers to go back, even if it's into
Speaker 1: the teens, in the twenties, you know, wherever it is,
Speaker 1: to you know, get more players, because he knows he
Speaker 1: needs to rebuild a roster, and I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: do that through the second round picks and into even
Speaker 1: next year's picks. I got another question for you too,
Speaker 1: to go along with that. All right, let's say somebody
Speaker 1: does try to hold you up. How how crazy are
Speaker 1: you willing to get because they got all those picks,
Speaker 1: they got all those compics, right, Yeah, I think Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones called him a godsend in Indianapolis. You've got that,
Speaker 1: You've got the could you could you I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: not because you got one thirty seven, which is a fourth.
Speaker 1: I'm not giving up eighty one in a deal to
Speaker 1: move up in the first round. I'm already and let's
Speaker 1: you know, I have about fifty one thirty seven, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Fifty and a fourth, even fifty and
Speaker 1: one sixteen maybe to land a guy that's gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: start and do a lot for you from day one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and maybe ask for a fifth back. Yeah, something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm do We let's let's figure out real quick here
Speaker 1: if we could, what's what's the what would be if
Speaker 1: the draft was just the way it is. What's the
Speaker 1: landing spot for Roquan Smith? I gotta imagine, I mean,
Speaker 1: just give me a number. Don't get I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not asking you, I'm not asking a team. Just give
Speaker 1: me the number between nine and thirteen. I was gonna
Speaker 1: say nine and fifteen, but yeah, nine and thirteen. How
Speaker 1: about Derwin James? Six and twelve? That's fair. I think
Speaker 1: Tampas lakes him a lot of seven. So six to twelve, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. What's gonna make the most sense for
Speaker 1: us to go? Guys? That's I think this is only
Speaker 1: a conversation. I mean, we we've kind of helped ourselves
Speaker 1: with three as we think just you know, kind of
Speaker 1: cleaning up some things. We think, let's go, let's go
Speaker 1: do this. This is only a conversation you can have.
Speaker 1: I think if the guy you're targeting gets to nine
Speaker 1: or ten, oh, with all these quarterbacks going, we got
Speaker 1: a shot. Sure, but I'm the I mean when you're
Speaker 1: you're you're at nineteen, so I mean, you know, trying
Speaker 1: to get up. Okay, let's say the Bucks really do
Speaker 1: love Derwin James to get to seven and especially I
Speaker 1: mean if a quarterback is still on the board too.
Speaker 1: You're talking fifty and one thirty seven. Is that enough?
Speaker 1: Let's let's throw it out up to seven. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's it. I don't fifteen hundred on
Speaker 1: Tampa's pick at seven. It's gonna cost you two or
Speaker 1: three and four? Maybe we can there you go, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so you're a whole pick short of where you
Speaker 1: need to be, and I can't give up two and three?
Speaker 1: Could you give all? Right? How about this is the
Speaker 1: one I talked to you about. Let's go to San
Speaker 1: Francisco at nine A two and a four. Ye, that's
Speaker 1: we talked about that. That's fifty and one thirty seven.
Speaker 1: Maybe huh nine I can do? Yeah? Would everybody feel
Speaker 1: good about going to nine. Yeah, yeah, I'm offering the
Speaker 1: second round pick and saying that's the best offer you're
Speaker 1: gonna get. That's it. And initially that's it. You're you're
Speaker 1: telling their GM. That's I'm telling John Lynd. You're telling
Speaker 1: this is the best offer you're going to get. That's
Speaker 1: it's out there. Take it. We're gonna have. We're gonna
Speaker 1: have the whole Cowboys fan base convinced that this is happening.
Speaker 1: And when in reality and they're gonna we're just talking
Speaker 1: they're gonna stand in at nineteen, and okay, if they
Speaker 1: stand in at nineteen, it's Vanderesh, right, you meant you're protecting.
Speaker 1: It's like psycholog the other day. The other day we
Speaker 1: talked about you heard the show. Yeah, I guess we
Speaker 1: did a mock draft of the magazine. Guess who I picked?
Speaker 1: You took the boys? He said, yes, yes, I did. Yes,
Speaker 1: It's like all just reverse psychology. Would rather I would
Speaker 1: rather give the two in the four and go then
Speaker 1: I would stand and pick nineteen. And I like Vanderesh,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I would rather go get the better player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would be And I tweeted this last night. I
Speaker 1: would be more excited about vander Esh at nineteen than
Speaker 1: it was about Taco at twenty eight last year. That's fair. That,
Speaker 1: that's fair. I can get on board with that too.
Speaker 1: And I know, like nobody wants to hear this because
Speaker 1: you know, you want your first round pick to like
Speaker 1: light the world on fire. I get that. But I
Speaker 1: can talk myself into vander Esh and Rashaan Evans because
Speaker 1: ideally they're not They're you're not putting the world on
Speaker 1: their shoulders. You know, ideally they're they're not a starter,
Speaker 1: which you want your nineteenth overall pick to be a starter.
Speaker 1: I get that he wants his first three picks to
Speaker 1: be starters. I think that should be the goal. Ever
Speaker 1: called out on Twitter the other day about that, didn't
Speaker 1: you I did? Somebody called you out on Twitter about that.
Speaker 1: That should be a goal every year, and we've seen it.
Speaker 1: We've seen it like this team is. I know, Okay,
Speaker 1: make fun of the Jaalen Smith pick all you want,
Speaker 1: but more often than not, they're getting starter caliber players
Speaker 1: when they're picking in the top one hundred at least,
Speaker 1: you know, in the last four three years, I'm all
Speaker 1: four with what they've done in free agency to kind
Speaker 1: of shore up some things. If they're planning on moving
Speaker 1: guys around and stuff. It gives you, let's go, It
Speaker 1: gives you the flexibility to do what you think is best.
Speaker 1: And I mean it gives you you we're talking about
Speaker 1: a team. Well we're talking about it aggressively. But it
Speaker 1: also gives you the flexibility. And again, you got to
Speaker 1: have a trade partner. But if you're not in love
Speaker 1: with anybody at nineteen, you don't need that badass so
Speaker 1: badly that you can't trade back for more picks. I
Speaker 1: just s don't want to be sitting there at nineteen
Speaker 1: and go, gosh, dang, And I made seven calls and no,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm trying. I'm trying. It happens, you know,
Speaker 1: but nobody's nobody's willing to do anything I got, you
Speaker 1: know what, even and happens Paul John Lynch. The other
Speaker 1: side of that too is and we talk all the
Speaker 1: time about how they got fleeced in the Travis Frederick trade. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but if you don't love Frisco Osius one. But well,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if you don't love the mind them of that,
Speaker 1: if you don't love your options at nineteen, would you
Speaker 1: maybe let somebody underpay to come up and let's you know,
Speaker 1: you drop back to like twenty four or twenty five.
Speaker 1: Maybe all you get out of as a third round pick,
Speaker 1: but you still feel good about what you're gonna know. No,
Speaker 1: this is where. No, I've got ten picks. No, tiny Jim,
Speaker 1: I'm not interested in adding any more picks. I'm interested.
Speaker 1: I'm interested in getting another third round picks, another opportunity
Speaker 1: to try to find the starter. Keep your last move.
Speaker 1: You can move back and then move back up and
Speaker 1: move around. You ever say yeah, open my work those phones,
Speaker 1: open mind those guys they laugh at you when you
Speaker 1: try and do that. Can you have sometimes? Can you
Speaker 1: make trades after the first rump? Sure you can't? Okay,
Speaker 1: what if you guys want to keep adding picks so
Speaker 1: you won't take Will Hernandez at twenty five and add
Speaker 1: pick eighty five and wouldn't do that and then use
Speaker 1: pick fifty and eighty five to go up to get
Speaker 1: thirty five and get your guy, whoever that may be.
Speaker 1: Come on, Brian, think outside the lot, thinking outside the box.
Speaker 1: I've lived this. I've lived when that phone does not ring,
Speaker 1: trust me, I've lived That sounds like a bad feeling. No, guys.
Speaker 1: You guys are like, oh, throw magic dust on at
Speaker 1: the phone ring. Oh that is so false. Nor mister trade,
Speaker 1: Oh I love the trade. I'm about going up the
Speaker 1: more picks. I mean, Brian likes getting rid of his resources. Adding,
Speaker 1: I just like going to get really good players. That's
Speaker 1: my eye. I think we all agree with that. We
Speaker 1: would all. You told me I could get the linebacker
Speaker 1: at nine, or get Will Hernandez at twenty seven or whatever. Okay,
Speaker 1: by the way, is there any chance, any chance at
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield makes it out of the top fifteen With
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks, anything's possible. Aaron Rodgers fell to twenty four.
Speaker 1: You know, anything's possible to these quarterbacks. But I would
Speaker 1: be surprised. There's just too many desperate quarterback desperate teams.
Speaker 1: Whether that's and Jackson's gonna be the last man stand?
Speaker 1: Could someone take White ahead of Jackson? Mike White White,
Speaker 1: I don't. I have not heard anyone that likes Mike
Speaker 1: White as much as you do. Okay, I like, I
Speaker 1: know some teams. I do know. No, I know some
Speaker 1: teams that like it. But I'm just curious. In the
Speaker 1: first round, I've never I haven't heard that. I hope.
Speaker 1: I hope the league's not sleeping on Lamar as much
Speaker 1: as we they are, Like, I hope Lamar gas. I
Speaker 1: don't like the top twelve. He's going somewhere first round.
Speaker 1: Keep adding third round picks. Sorry, we've got ten already.
Speaker 1: Prepare myself. This team hasn't gone up in the first
Speaker 1: round in the time I've worked here. I know they
Speaker 1: did it for MO, they haven't done it in the
Speaker 1: six years since. So I'm just trying to embrace myself
Speaker 1: for the probability that it's not happening. All Right, I
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Speaker 1: Twitter on the Twitter. You got it. David Helman got
Speaker 1: a leftover from Thursday that I promised I would get
Speaker 1: in for a good friend of the show, the inimitable
Speaker 1: Bob sturm Ah. He wants I wanted you to be
Speaker 1: part of this specifically, Dane, because you're the big ten guy.
Speaker 1: He wants a comparison of sa Quon, Barkley and Zeke
Speaker 1: and where you would favor one over the other. Zeke
Speaker 1: is he's better in pass protection? Yes, um, I think
Speaker 1: pass catching they're pretty equal. I mean I don't think
Speaker 1: one is clearly better than the other. Yes, I think
Speaker 1: sae Quon came a long way this year and he's
Speaker 1: more than just a screen guy. He'll run some routes.
Speaker 1: He will he'll go down the scene routes. Yeah, he'll
Speaker 1: do a little bit more that for you. So I
Speaker 1: think they're they're comparable as pass catchers. Where Zeke gets
Speaker 1: the edge for me is he is a true chameleon back.
Speaker 1: Where it's third and one, he can use power and
Speaker 1: he can get you that one yard. If it's first
Speaker 1: and ten, he can bounce it outside and get you
Speaker 1: twelve yards. He can do whatever the defense is gonna
Speaker 1: let him do, or whatever you need as an offense,
Speaker 1: where Barkley isn't really that type of back. He's got
Speaker 1: a little more juice. He's a little freakier with his
Speaker 1: athletic talent. But in terms of the running back specific traits, vision, patients,
Speaker 1: decision making, I think that's where Zeke gets the edge.
Speaker 1: For me, Barkley's outstanding. I give Zeke the edge because
Speaker 1: I think he's just a better running back. Yeah, I see.
Speaker 1: I think he thumbnailed him perfectly for Bob, I really
Speaker 1: really do the thing that you know when you look
Speaker 1: at Barkley, a lot of it is the playing sideways
Speaker 1: and then him you know, with the snap and then
Speaker 1: hand I mean, and then we saw some of that
Speaker 1: stuff with Zeke but I always felt like that Zeke
Speaker 1: was more of a downhill player with the football in
Speaker 1: his hands right, you know, North South, Yeah, attacking where
Speaker 1: Barkley's make first guy miss and then it's you know,
Speaker 1: try and find. I just think that the point he
Speaker 1: makes about the pass block, I mean you watch you
Speaker 1: watch him at Ohio State. I mean he was stoning
Speaker 1: guys and where Barkeley's a little bit more of a
Speaker 1: getting away cut, you know, kind of not play. But
Speaker 1: I mean he's not afraid. It's not a it's not
Speaker 1: a it's not a thing where he's a coward er.
Speaker 1: But I will say this though, the thing that I
Speaker 1: really I think where Barkeley's got him is balance. I
Speaker 1: think there's time. I mean that Iowa game, I'm watching it.
Speaker 1: He's running full sprint right left sideline and he stops,
Speaker 1: I mean completely stops, and like you know, Josie Jewel
Speaker 1: and everybody's flying by him. They're all flying. That can't
Speaker 1: be Jackson. He wouldn't be in there, but at Josie
Speaker 1: Jewel and all that guy's flying by him, and then
Speaker 1: he's and then as everybody's going by him, now he
Speaker 1: I mean he's got inches along the sideline and he
Speaker 1: then he continues one. I mean as people are going
Speaker 1: by him, and I think that's where you know, the
Speaker 1: ability to spin, to move, to navigate, to get through
Speaker 1: tight little cracks. Yeah, that's that. That guy's got that
Speaker 1: special ability. He really really he's freaky in terms of
Speaker 1: athletic ability, and it shows on the field. One thing
Speaker 1: that does worry me about Barkeley is running backs who
Speaker 1: stopped their feet in the backfield. Yeah, that that were
Speaker 1: in college. That worries me when you project him to
Speaker 1: the pros because there's just less time that you have
Speaker 1: to stop, reset your eyes and find that developing lane.
Speaker 1: In the NFL, he's got to do it quicker, and
Speaker 1: he can't stop his feet as much as he does,
Speaker 1: or he's gonna get in trump. Mean, that's what a
Speaker 1: guy like like Trent Richardson. Yeah, that's why he's not
Speaker 1: in the league anymore. Stopped his feet in the backfield,
Speaker 1: couldn't reset in time. I'm not saying Barkeley is gonna
Speaker 1: be Trent Richardson, but that's one area where I do
Speaker 1: have some pause with with with Barkley. But I mean,
Speaker 1: we're still talking about an running back prospect. He's he's right, though,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's a he's that balance the balances,
Speaker 1: and yeah, that might have been the best running back
Speaker 1: one of the best running back tapes I've ever He's
Speaker 1: getting hit and hand down, one leg spinning. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's impressive, it really really is. And but I I,
Speaker 1: you know, I it's funny because in this draft I
Speaker 1: would have Barkley in my top three, and Zeke was
Speaker 1: my second best player behind Miles Jack in that draft
Speaker 1: side Miles Jack one and Zeke second. So I think
Speaker 1: that would mean I would have in this draft I
Speaker 1: will have I'll have Barkley third. Probably I'm my top
Speaker 1: fifty will be out here. So if Zeke was, if
Speaker 1: just as a prospect was in this draft, he would
Speaker 1: be ahead of Barkley in my opinion, you would. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we agree. I know. We said at the top of
Speaker 1: the show it's two early to speculate, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: do it for Mica anyway, because Michael wants to know,
Speaker 1: what do you think is the better scenario? Plug Marcus
Speaker 1: Martin In at left guard and leave the line the
Speaker 1: same as it was, assuming these signings go through just
Speaker 1: for Clarity's sake, or and have Cam Fleming, but your
Speaker 1: swing tackle or Bumpy Collins to left guard. Uh, put
Speaker 1: Cameron Fleming at right tackle and use Martin as kind
Speaker 1: of your backup interior swing guy. We're still interested in
Speaker 1: drafted a guard at nineteen. We speak for yourself. Ah,
Speaker 1: I'm just asking you. Look, you've watched more Martin more
Speaker 1: than I have. I have, and I you know what
Speaker 1: I think Martin. I think Martin has got some Joe
Speaker 1: Joe Lune some uh some Rolyn Cooper. No, the Ron
Speaker 1: Larry Arry. Yeah, I think remember, no, remember when Ron
Speaker 1: Larry David was was big and we first we first
Speaker 1: remember he was big. He really didn't get left down.
Speaker 1: Yeah after fifth Yeah, after after they after they took
Speaker 1: his job away. What he do He went out, remade
Speaker 1: his body, became a better second level player. Now he's
Speaker 1: making really great money with the Broncos. Yeah. I think that.
Speaker 1: I think with with Martin, I see that kind of
Speaker 1: that early I see the early Ron Larry that that big,
Speaker 1: not always at the second level, you know, but still
Speaker 1: the power the know. I just I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like though he has some starting traits, not perfect by
Speaker 1: any means, but Ron Lurie was the same way. Ron
Speaker 1: Lurie didn't have that initially, Like you put him in
Speaker 1: there as a starter and he you know, it wasn't
Speaker 1: always pretty with him. I think Martin's the same way
Speaker 1: me personally. I think, man, it would be very hard
Speaker 1: for me to move I hate while Collins from right tackle.
Speaker 1: After I saw, after I've seen him for a year,
Speaker 1: he played so well, played well. I mean, once he
Speaker 1: figured out at training camp that that, you know, I
Speaker 1: can't just run everybody past the quarterback. I've got to
Speaker 1: I've got to you know, I've got a punch, i
Speaker 1: gotta keep in balance, I've got to use my hands.
Speaker 1: I've got to get my kickstep right, i gotta be
Speaker 1: in position, i gotta get my head back. Once he
Speaker 1: figured all that stuff out, it was pretty easy for him.
Speaker 1: Not only that, but to move him out there and
Speaker 1: extend him before he ever played a game at right tackle,
Speaker 1: like it's it's suggested this long term plan, you know,
Speaker 1: and to bounce him back to the other side after
Speaker 1: one season, it's like wish washy, like like waffling. They're
Speaker 1: not sure what to do. So if I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what though, if you told me fleming at right tackle
Speaker 1: is a good option, though, yeah, is a good option,
Speaker 1: and if it meant it's okay, we're gonna be if
Speaker 1: it's if it's the best five theory, and you know what,
Speaker 1: I'll I'll readily admit that that's probably it's it's more
Speaker 1: than a little bit of Homerism on my part Lyle
Speaker 1: went to he went to my school. Sure, he's a
Speaker 1: great school too, great guy, I would argue, top top five,
Speaker 1: nicest dude in the locker room, Like I just I
Speaker 1: root for him. So if I mean when he plays,
Speaker 1: it's he's the essence of like a gentle giant. Like
Speaker 1: you can tell he's mean as hell on the field.
Speaker 1: Don't you never see an ounce of that anywhere off
Speaker 1: the field? Um, I just don't want to see all
Speaker 1: but well, you're a preparation that he had exactly but
Speaker 1: in all sense, like okay, well here we're gonna make you.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's thinking, if that's outside outside, and now
Speaker 1: you kick him back inside and you're like, if that
Speaker 1: really gives you the best fabled starting five, which I
Speaker 1: think is kind of a flawed concept in the first place.
Speaker 1: But if that's if that's it killed Chaz Green, if
Speaker 1: that's what it takes then whatever. But I would rather
Speaker 1: just plug a guard in and leave the rest of
Speaker 1: it alone. But that's probably gonna depend on what they
Speaker 1: might have told Fleming to get him to sign him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know that. Yeah, obviously they told him that. Hey,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think he could stay in New
Speaker 1: England and be a swing tackle. Yeah he started Super
Speaker 1: Bowl in an AFC championship game, by the way, for you, Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: all right, we're talking about cleaning up that wide receiver room. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think. I think this is possible.
Speaker 1: But could you could you package Dez into a trade
Speaker 1: to move up in the draft. That'd be surprising. That's
Speaker 1: just a hell of an unwieldy contract. Try to the contract,
Speaker 1: I mean, does I don't think his trade value is
Speaker 1: very high right now, coming off the season that he
Speaker 1: that he had. I mean, I guess it's if your
Speaker 1: plan is to cut him, then I guess you might
Speaker 1: as well trade him and get something for him. But
Speaker 1: I don't think that he has the value that Cowboys
Speaker 1: fans think he does. Well. I think I disagree with
Speaker 1: you a little bit because I think he has a
Speaker 1: ton of value as a free agent. I think he
Speaker 1: has no value on the contract that he's on right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that I agree. Yeah, as a free if he was
Speaker 1: cut and he had signed, I mean, he would have
Speaker 1: plenty of calls within five minutes. Yeah, But in terms
Speaker 1: of like they're not trading nineteen and does Bryant to
Speaker 1: go up to pick eight right if that's not happening,
Speaker 1: No way. So that's where I think it's a little
Speaker 1: unrealistic because of the contract. But yeah, no, I agree,
Speaker 1: if he's on the open market, he's definitely getting calls.
Speaker 1: I'm just I don't know, I'm fascinated by what's going
Speaker 1: to happen at that position, even even if what happens
Speaker 1: is nothing Like let's just say that's their receiver group,
Speaker 1: that's something that's but that's that's still really interesting to me,
Speaker 1: you know, how that dynamic works with I mean, Dez
Speaker 1: isn't just going to forget that he was kind of
Speaker 1: dangling out there for the last two and a half months,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, so that is something just seems
Speaker 1: really strange to me. And maybe I'm the only one
Speaker 1: to think in this, but I felt like if they
Speaker 1: were going to keep him around, wouldn't they have made
Speaker 1: the talk to him and saying, hey, this is what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do to your salary. You would think that's
Speaker 1: kind of where I would think that maybe you're like, Okay, hey,
Speaker 1: you're in the plans, pig fella, this is what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do. This is our plan with us, or you're
Speaker 1: against us. You would think, yeah, at do you know
Speaker 1: they haven't. I don't get the feeling that they have.
Speaker 1: It doesn't. I don't get the vibe that it's like
Speaker 1: this open. The receiver says that he's good. But let's
Speaker 1: let's see. I think when he says he's good, I
Speaker 1: think that means he's at peace with it. Whatever happenever happens,
Speaker 1: is going to happen real quick. Let's go to Eric
Speaker 1: and Houston. Eric, what do you got? All right? Well,
Speaker 1: I have this idea about so why with super situation,
Speaker 1: Well my things out of the box like this, why
Speaker 1: don't we trade Beasley and Tenant Williams to get picks
Speaker 1: so we can get more picks and get more picks
Speaker 1: to go up to get our going James or a
Speaker 1: rock Way Smith okay, a third or four? Okay again,
Speaker 1: thank er. I think that's probably another situation where you
Speaker 1: overvalue what a guy's worth. I mean, sounds great in theory,
Speaker 1: but where's that call coming from? Cole Beasley. I think
Speaker 1: the world of him, and he's had a couple of
Speaker 1: really fantastic years. Here he's on a one year deal
Speaker 1: and no offense to him. But if you want Cole Beasley,
Speaker 1: you can go get him anywhere from the third to
Speaker 1: the seventh round of the draft, right exactly. So, the
Speaker 1: thought of giving up a draft pick to pay a
Speaker 1: guy ten times more than what you would have to
Speaker 1: pay a rookie to do the job thirty some catches
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, anyway, even they need to get him going,
Speaker 1: even I mean they were rolling along. When they were
Speaker 1: rolling along though at sixteen, he was one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why you were winning football games, and that, you know.
Speaker 1: I My intention is not to sound condescending, but anytime
Speaker 1: fans ask questions like that, I'm like, well, you're why
Speaker 1: are you trying to get rid of him? If he's
Speaker 1: worth what you think he's worth, right, Like, why are
Speaker 1: you so desperate to move on from him? If you
Speaker 1: think somebody's gonna give that for him? That's it. I mean,
Speaker 1: these guys, I me if we want to trade Cole
Speaker 1: Beasley after last year, the two sixteen season we had
Speaker 1: when he had value exactly, but now that value especially
Speaker 1: he's making over four million dollars at a slot guy
Speaker 1: who you know, you just don't know what you're gonna
Speaker 1: get next year out of him, so at best you're
Speaker 1: getting a late rounder for him, at best. I really,
Speaker 1: I really love this question, so I have to fit
Speaker 1: it in before we got it right. Um, and this
Speaker 1: is from Nick. He's using Ronald Jones as an example.
Speaker 1: So he just says so, but don't worry about the name.
Speaker 1: But he says, say Ronald Jones falls to fifty And
Speaker 1: basically I'm gonna reword the question. So it's how far
Speaker 1: does a running back prospect have to fall for you
Speaker 1: to consider doing that? Obviously you've got a thought at
Speaker 1: eighty one this team doesn't need running back in a
Speaker 1: huge way. Yeah, we kind of are, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, at some point that it becomes such a bargain.
Speaker 1: But see with Ronald Jones, like he didn't catch the
Speaker 1: ball a lot in college. Yeah, and if I'm drafting
Speaker 1: a running back for this team, I need a guy
Speaker 1: that's going to be game pass protect and he can
Speaker 1: he can do something in the passing game catching the ball.
Speaker 1: So with Ronald Jones, as much as I like him,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he carry on Johnson, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, it's substitute, you're running back off your Well,
Speaker 1: I mean not that I think it'll happen, But what
Speaker 1: about Darius geis just I mean, at what point to
Speaker 1: value any? Yeah? Any? What I mean? I was thinking
Speaker 1: that and the again, the mock drafted I did for
Speaker 1: the I think we all picked in the third at
Speaker 1: eighty one. Maybe you picked in the fourth. I think
Speaker 1: I picked running back at one sixteen nicked times at
Speaker 1: eighty one. I'd say that that makes sense because of
Speaker 1: the value that what he can do to your aw.
Speaker 1: He's not a true running back, he's an offensive weapon. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, you can line him up in the slot,
Speaker 1: you can line him up in the back. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was a track guy and then he played wide receiver,
Speaker 1: played running back, played a little bit of everywhere. He
Speaker 1: doesn't have a true position, so that would make some sense.
Speaker 1: But no, it's an interesting thought because I think they
Speaker 1: will draft a running back at some point in the draft,
Speaker 1: and ideally you'd like that to be Day three, but
Speaker 1: if the right running back falls, you do have to
Speaker 1: consider it. And it's just depends on how you're going
Speaker 1: to use him, because Zeke's not coming off the field. No.
Speaker 1: In a lot of situations, can they co exist in
Speaker 1: the field at the same time based on their skill sets.
Speaker 1: You just have to know what you what you're getting.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna take a running back at the top
Speaker 1: three rounds something, I think something pretty amazing would have
Speaker 1: to happen for them to go on Day one or two.
Speaker 1: That's but it's an interesting thought because I mean if
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, at what point does the
Speaker 1: value of the player exceed the fact that you don't
Speaker 1: really need him? And I mean something great, like if
Speaker 1: Ronald Jones was there at fifty, I'd be hard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think no, I think you have like at Sony
Speaker 1: Michelle or okay, yeah, see, okay, okay, all right, but
Speaker 1: at fifty Michelle at eighty one, yea, at eighty one, okay,
Speaker 1: because I was gonna, I was gonna, I was gonna
Speaker 1: kind of ask you. You just told me this guy
Speaker 1: doesn't catch the ball or doesn't get many opportunities. If
Speaker 1: you watch the Georgia kids. Neither one of them get
Speaker 1: out catching the football either. But he he had like
Speaker 1: twenty four catches. I mean, it was more than some
Speaker 1: of these other guys plus on well, I mean, what
Speaker 1: was Ronald Jones was he? I mean I saw some
Speaker 1: Ronald Jones plays where he's like kind of in the
Speaker 1: kind of like floating around and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: he gets behind a linebacker. Next thing you know, it's
Speaker 1: a touchdown. I think it was a goods Utah plus
Speaker 1: or Arizona, one of those teams on at on third downs,
Speaker 1: Ronald Jones caught fourteen balls last year at george on
Speaker 1: third downs. H it wasn't Nick Chubble on the field
Speaker 1: most times it was Sony Michelle. Sure, and so that
Speaker 1: was kind of their third down guy. No, and they
Speaker 1: didn't use them a lot in the passing game, but
Speaker 1: they trusted him to pass protect and to be there.
Speaker 1: Yeah there you guy, all right. Yeah, college running backs
Speaker 1: not having impressive tape in the passing game, I think
Speaker 1: is more a product of college offenses than them not
Speaker 1: being able to do it. You know, it was more
Speaker 1: sample size. Yeah, it was a not I think the
Speaker 1: blocking thing gets my attention more if you're if you're
Speaker 1: really bad at it, right, especially where it gets around
Speaker 1: like whoa, that's where Yeah, how could I put any Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Penny, exactly,
Speaker 1: especially if you're I mean, you're not drafting a guy
Speaker 1: to be your first and second down running back. You're
Speaker 1: drafting a guy to fill a different role. So could
Speaker 1: you better be able to block? If you if we
Speaker 1: get all these picks you guys want, we might be
Speaker 1: able to draft. Oh yeah, we trade back in the first,
Speaker 1: add a third, Yeah, get a running back with that pick.
Speaker 1: That's a great idea, exactly. That's what you guys got going.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do that, all right, I'm in all right,
Speaker 1: one more question, David play all right, um, all right,
Speaker 1: well this one is pertinent to our interests. Brian Joseph
Speaker 1: wants to know can Connor Williams do anything this week
Speaker 1: at his pro day to boost his draft stock? I
Speaker 1: feel like a very polarizing prospect in this year's draft.
Speaker 1: Is he gonna play a two hundred ninety six pounds now?
Speaker 1: He said he's playing waits three or five. Okay, so
Speaker 1: when he measures in on Wednesday, it's going to be
Speaker 1: three or five. I'd be surprised if it was under
Speaker 1: three hundred. Yeah, so what are you here to see
Speaker 1: what it is? Do you? He's he a tackler guard
Speaker 1: for you? See he looks like a guard to me. Well,
Speaker 1: you won't be a I mean you're not. I think
Speaker 1: the the guys around the league. I feel like it's split.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, some tackles guard. Did I kind of tell
Speaker 1: you that a long time ago. I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: right about something here. Every once in a while, I
Speaker 1: tried to get you. I tried to get you to
Speaker 1: play a guard. I thought. I tried to. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I information you gave me the Lamar Jackson because I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. I have some reservations there. But I get
Speaker 1: why some people want to move in inside a car.
Speaker 1: I get trust people you trust want to move in
Speaker 1: to guard or these guys that you don't trust. No,
Speaker 1: I mean guys that as a no. Some people sometimes
Speaker 1: sometimes they know yeah, sometimes they're are not. Yeah exactly
Speaker 1: cost Man, Uh but no, it's uh. Is he the
Speaker 1: top guy you're gonna watch next two days? Yeah? Well,
Speaker 1: Kirk at A and M I'm interested to see what
Speaker 1: to do with what is the safety? Yeah, because I've
Speaker 1: kind of hammered him as that I love your sometime
Speaker 1: player a bit, and we gotta remember Puna wasn't. I
Speaker 1: want to see you know who I like. I like
Speaker 1: watching to see who works these guys out with teams,
Speaker 1: with positions with teams. Yeah, what positional coach is there?
Speaker 1: That's what That's what'll get me. And like our guys too,
Speaker 1: like Holton Hill and those guys are working out. I'm
Speaker 1: interested to see Malik because y'all, y'all wrote him off
Speaker 1: in week one. Y'all are like, guess he's a guess
Speaker 1: or he's not that good. The people in Austin will
Speaker 1: tell you he's a guess or we'll see. We'll see
Speaker 1: if people who make the decisions agree and that's their
Speaker 1: in the third round. Yeah, yeah, we'll see. You could
Speaker 1: do worse. My guess there, my guess. All right, guys,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for Twitter on the twenty. Okay,
Speaker 1: when we come back, we'll have some more discussions. Maybe
Speaker 1: Dave's got will tell me more. So stay tuned. Cowboys
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Speaker 1: in the SWBC Mortgage Studios. Brian brought a Stainburger, David
Speaker 1: Hellman and Douglas executive producing today. Got a call from
Speaker 1: long distance. David. Before we get to yours, that right,
Speaker 1: tell me Morris, we got John in Indonesia is calling. Wow, John,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the program. What's going on, sir? How are
Speaker 1: we doing? I wanted to ask a couple of questions.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, I'm doing right. It's the middle of the
Speaker 1: night over here. It's like a midnight anyway. I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask about Tyron Smith's back, okay, relative to Cameron Fleming,
Speaker 1: because it seems like maybe they're inducing him to come
Speaker 1: by basically paying him as a starting tackle, even if
Speaker 1: they really do mean for him to be a swing
Speaker 1: tackle who starts like seven games. You know, they're kind
Speaker 1: of like banking the fact that they may have to
Speaker 1: start him quite a lot um And they're basically saying
Speaker 1: like we want three starting tackles period. That's a fairy thing.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you guys about is uh is
Speaker 1: of the position groups like of guard, safety and linebacker?
Speaker 1: Which one is um kind of the most deep? Like
Speaker 1: who who's who's better? Who can we wait until the
Speaker 1: third round to draft? But it that way? Okay? And
Speaker 1: that's my question. All right, John, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for listening worldwide. Yeah, stay safe out there, man, love
Speaker 1: hearing that the UN's really irving. And yeah, that which
Speaker 1: is smart. It's la yes, smart. I don't doubt I
Speaker 1: don't doubt. No, man, we just got enough, got them
Speaker 1: all we do. We appreciate that, dope. All right, talk
Speaker 1: about that, Tyran. I like his story about that. That's
Speaker 1: a really good point, isn't like, I mean, we're not
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that yet. We're not privy to these meetings. Uh,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't. I don't know what their pitch was.
Speaker 1: I saw Ian Rappaport saying that his deal is worth
Speaker 1: about three point five million, which is it's I mean
Speaker 1: they paid their pan lyle seven seven eight. Yeah, uh so,
Speaker 1: I mean it's not top of the line money by
Speaker 1: any stretch, but it's it's better than what they paid
Speaker 1: Byron Bell to do the same job. That was absolutely minimum.
Speaker 1: So they clearly wanted to invest. Um, you know all,
Speaker 1: you know, knock on wood, everybody's everybody's hopeful that uh
Speaker 1: that Tyrone's gonna be fine. He's been part of Captain's workouts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he seems like he's heard it rumor that he went
Speaker 1: to not rumor, but someone reliably reported me he was
Speaker 1: out in California, you know, working on stretching, yoga, I
Speaker 1: believe it, weight training, all that stuff. Then it kept
Speaker 1: him from having to get like back surgery. So we'll see.
Speaker 1: I mean, hopefully all that works out exactly. But good
Speaker 1: on them for if you want to call it an
Speaker 1: overpay or just if you want to call it smart
Speaker 1: spending on their part right to make sure they've got
Speaker 1: a guy, which again all the more reason I would
Speaker 1: I would just prefer to have three really good tackles, yeah,
Speaker 1: and put somebody else at guard. But if they're if
Speaker 1: the best five is the way they want to go,
Speaker 1: there's nothing I can say to stop him. But I
Speaker 1: would prefer it the other way around. Deep position, give
Speaker 1: him somebody guard safety linebacker, right, I mean I don't
Speaker 1: think not a name. I mean, I don't think any
Speaker 1: of the three are really that deep, but maybe linebacker
Speaker 1: out of the three. Right. In terms of finding a
Speaker 1: potential starter, we mentioned Malik Jefferson. I think he's a
Speaker 1: guy you can get in the third. I like Fred
Speaker 1: Warner a lot from BYU Josie Jewel. I think he's
Speaker 1: more of a second but who knows. He's not the
Speaker 1: you know, he might not be a fit for every
Speaker 1: defense because he's not an elite athlete. He could be
Speaker 1: available there. And then you've got some I mean Darius
Speaker 1: Leonard from South Carolina State, a player that Cowboys have
Speaker 1: shown a lot of interest in. Has his wartz, coming
Speaker 1: from a smaller school, but he's in that third round mix.
Speaker 1: He could be an option. So I think linebacker. You
Speaker 1: feel comfortable finding a guy? Yeah, and that kind of
Speaker 1: goes against everything we've been talking about going up for
Speaker 1: Roquan or in Desh at nineteen. Linebacker more so than
Speaker 1: guard or safety. I feel good about finding that starter
Speaker 1: second or third round. Yeah, I'm just going to get
Speaker 1: the best linebacker in the draft, maybe one of the best. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I do, but but that's yeah, No, he's right. I
Speaker 1: think that you're you know, he named off the guys
Speaker 1: like you said, you know, Jewel, I like Avery a
Speaker 1: little morning you. I know that Leonard was You're right
Speaker 1: there with him with Griffin from Central I mean Central
Speaker 1: Flo that's kind of a third fourth round guy for
Speaker 1: some people. Warner from BYU Bellamy, I mean there's some
Speaker 1: guys there, so yeah, let's kind of keep an eye
Speaker 1: on that CINCHI I mean, I haven't I need to
Speaker 1: find out about the medical Yeah, yeah, yeah, I need.
Speaker 1: I need to ask. I need to ask about that one.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not the expert on y'all's level, but
Speaker 1: I mean I've watched. I've watched some tape. I've got
Speaker 1: some I just after Derwin James and maybe you Boyd
Speaker 1: Bates from Wake Forest, like Golden. I know y'all love Golden,
Speaker 1: but I love Golden, but I season Nickel. I mean
Speaker 1: I don't love him as much as a free Is
Speaker 1: there a safety in this draft? I think if you're
Speaker 1: not drafting a safety at nineteen or fifty or with
Speaker 1: a first or second round pick wherever that is, you're
Speaker 1: not getting a guy that's better than what's on the
Speaker 1: team right now. Like you're not getting a guy that's
Speaker 1: gonna beat out Xavier Woods baits that's yeah, like first,
Speaker 1: I mean in the second round, there might stay around.
Speaker 1: There might be three safeties that fit that bill. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, well, Cavan and Xavier Woods are just
Speaker 1: as good as Woods. Um tackles better. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: if you if you had told me I could have
Speaker 1: one or the other right now. And I loved and
Speaker 1: I loved Woods. We both yeah, we pushed for that.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna have a close close eye on Rashaan
Speaker 1: Galden in twenty eighteen because y'all are blowing this guy
Speaker 1: up like he's Marcus Willie. Watch him, all right, We'll
Speaker 1: see where he goes. I mean because obviously landing and fit,
Speaker 1: how how did the team use him? That'll be big
Speaker 1: for him because again I think some figure out this
Speaker 1: guy's a good football play. I'm gonna I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take notes during the draft and like do a
Speaker 1: hypothetical like this would be Dane and Brian's draft pass.
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm taking notes on the guys that you
Speaker 1: love and the guys that you had. I love our draft.
Speaker 1: I get the best part about the best part, but
Speaker 1: the you have to do this as an evaluators. You
Speaker 1: have to self evaluate and you know what you've got
Speaker 1: wrong in the past, what you did right, so you
Speaker 1: know where you need to get better. And self evaluating
Speaker 1: is almost more important than anything else you do. All right, Dave,
Speaker 1: have about a couple of tell me Morse if you would, yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: and I also know to promote our magazines and stuff
Speaker 1: like that for what okay, our own, our own people.
Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys have confirmed that Cameron Fleming had signed. Okay,
Speaker 1: so very good. So Cameron Cameron Fleming and he's in
Speaker 1: details on the deal, uh, not from us, like I said,
Speaker 1: Rappaport said three point five length of the deal one
Speaker 1: oh just one year deal. Yeah, so actually Dane just
Speaker 1: touched on this guy, so um, I definitely want to
Speaker 1: get him in there. And I know we've talked about
Speaker 1: him before, but like you said, we've heard the name
Speaker 1: Darius Leonard linked to the Cowboys a decent amount. So
Speaker 1: I just want y'all to tell me more. Where can
Speaker 1: we get him? What can he do? All that good stuff?
Speaker 1: Third round probably right, and that's why I got him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think that's realistically where you're going to get him.
Speaker 1: The same school as Joe Thomas Well and remember uh
Speaker 1: my boy, Javon Hargrave. Yeah, Javon Hargrave is back to
Speaker 1: back the MEAC Defensive Player of the Year when thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,
Speaker 1: and then this guy's teammate was the me ACT defensive
Speaker 1: Player of the Year or two thousand and sixteen and
Speaker 1: two and seventeen really productive. He had over one hundred
Speaker 1: tackles last two years. Uh, he looks the part you
Speaker 1: know he's got. He's that rangey frame. Sure, he's got
Speaker 1: range on the field. There are some times in space
Speaker 1: where he needs to be better breaking down, finishing tackles.
Speaker 1: I think he get better with his play strength. But
Speaker 1: a guy that competes, a guy has reliable football character,
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be The Cowboys are not the
Speaker 1: only team that are gonna be in on him. So
Speaker 1: I don't even know if he lasts to eighty one,
Speaker 1: he could be gone by that point. He's a good player.
Speaker 1: I tell you, Dane's hit him just I mean, that's
Speaker 1: exactly what I saw on the player, and I saw
Speaker 1: a finisher. That's the thing, man, you know, when you
Speaker 1: see this guy, I mean, there's some finish to his game.
Speaker 1: He's also got some pop he does his hands. I
Speaker 1: mean when he when he's running and he's hitting people,
Speaker 1: and then he's getting to the ball and finishing play.
Speaker 1: So Dan Dane is exactly right. Looking at my notes,
Speaker 1: I mean the part about the breaking down in space
Speaker 1: that was something that I had as well. I'm in
Speaker 1: the middle of my notes. Thank you very much, appreciate that.
Speaker 1: UM stick with that trend because I am interested. You know,
Speaker 1: linebackers that you can get after the obvious ones. So
Speaker 1: what about Arizona States DJ Calhoun? M hmm, not the
Speaker 1: not the best linebacker on that team. No? Uh was
Speaker 1: his name? Sam? Christian Christian Sam he was. I've heard
Speaker 1: he's a fourth rounder, fifth rounder round their early day three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't his high on Calhoun. No, on Calhoun, I
Speaker 1: know only he's a draftful player myself. Boom. Yeah, Then
Speaker 1: tell me about Christian Sam Christians He's a local kid
Speaker 1: and Allen, maybe you're he's Christian Sam He's I was
Speaker 1: surprised how good he was when I watched him. He
Speaker 1: I didn't expect much, but he plays hard. Uh At.
Speaker 1: He's very strong at the point of attack. Physical. Uh
Speaker 1: It flows to the ball well, can see through blocks.
Speaker 1: I was pleasantly surprised at how physical player he was
Speaker 1: because and he's not the he's not the biggest guy,
Speaker 1: but he plays bigger than he looks. Yeah, I tell
Speaker 1: you what was impressed. I thought there was some quickness
Speaker 1: to his game. I thought he had to feel for
Speaker 1: where the ball was going, and he was kind of
Speaker 1: working that way. You can see him drop driving coverage.
Speaker 1: The problem is he'll jump around blocks though, and that,
Speaker 1: and then a yeah, and all of a sudden, it's
Speaker 1: like balls at me. He's jumping around a block and
Speaker 1: then next you know, he's in a bad position there.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what, though, on the goal line,
Speaker 1: he showed some physicality. There were some times where Arizona
Speaker 1: State is backed up and this guy is shooting gaps
Speaker 1: and being taken on blocks and all that stuff. You
Speaker 1: love the toughness about the kid. He is the mid
Speaker 1: round version of real Kuan Smith. Yeah, you know, like
Speaker 1: he's not tell me that. I'm saying, like take over
Speaker 1: six one h thirty seven. Yeah he's not, you know,
Speaker 1: but but he's not. He doesn't have that. He doesn't.
Speaker 1: He's got some quick but he doesn't have that where
Speaker 1: Smith is gone. I'm saying, obviously, he's not a first
Speaker 1: rounder for a reason. He's a fourth or fifth round
Speaker 1: for a reason. You said the name. But he's a
Speaker 1: mid round version of that. You said the name, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna remember that for the rest of the draft. Process.
Speaker 1: All right, we got a show coming on Shannon and
Speaker 1: Nate Newton and those guys. Kurt Um so Cameron Fleming
Speaker 1: is is done down. Joe Looney is also back. So
Speaker 1: Joe Looney, there you go, showing up that showing up
Speaker 1: real quick. Before we get out of here, we got
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