WEBVTT - Draft Show: Same Draft Strategy After Free Agency? 0:00:02.920 --> 0:00:07.400 Did. He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:10.240 on the Ore war Room for in center news and 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:14.480 draft analysis from deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:19.120 at the Star in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Select Ezekiel Elliott 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:24.040 and now your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Brian 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:27.960 brought us. Well, welcome to the Draft Show the SWBC 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:33.680 Mortgage Studios. Brian brought us Dane Brugler, David Hellman, Douglas 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:37.720 Executive producing today. Glad to have him along. Here is 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:40.599 Kent Garrison is on assignment at the Owners meeting, so 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:44.960 hopefully we'll have something draft related from Stephen Jones. Jerry 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:48.879 Jones from the Owners Meetings says they get going there 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.720 in Florida, gentlemen, I'm getting close to this thing. One month. 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:57.200 One month. Well you look tired, Dane. Yeah, okay, it's 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:00.080 the last week before the beast comes out. Basic so 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:03.080 I haven't been asleep yet tonight or this morning with 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:05.840 time as at ten am. Uh so you know you's 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:08.160 got to find pocket of time to sleep and it's 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:11.000 got one week to finish. So we're almost there, almost there. Well, 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:12.600 it's good to have you back though we missed you 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:14.959 the other day. Katie filled in. Well, bet he did well. 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:17.160 It's the first time I've actually listened to the Draft 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:20.399 show in like four years really because a good point. Yeah, 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:22.240 me and Dane aren't sick like you. We don't go 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.080 back and listen to every episode, so it was it 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:27.240 was good to actually catch an episode. I'll tell you 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:28.760 what what you how do you think we did? You 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:31.800 did great? Katie did a nice job filling in. Uh, 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.480 you know, Tay brought some some fire at the end. 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:36.360 So you guys did a nice job. Well, thank you. 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:38.360 I appreciate that. But it's nice to have you back 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:40.319 in that chair. Yeah, it's it's a relief having you 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:43.280 here to be our safety nut. I kind of tease 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:48.240 the idea earlier on Twitter that the Cowboys now making 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:50.840 some moves, David Hellman, and this is where you come 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:54.400 in and In't it nice to go on a show 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:56.600 with actual things to talk about that aren't just going 0:01:56.640 --> 0:02:00.600 to generate sarcastic comments. You know, we'll see how sarcastic 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:04.240 people can be. But now now the narrative, guys changes 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:07.840 to things that the Cowboys have done, and there's a 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:10.359 couple of official things that you can talk about, Dave, 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:14.079 I think the wide receiver well, and then a handful 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.600 of actually because they agreed to part of it though, 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:20.000 well throw it okay, throw in Joe Thomas. So they 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:24.200 signed you know, at a retirement. Yeah, gott to clarify 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.360 there goes, Yeah, we just can a linebacker. Gonna move 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:29.960 the college right in there to guard. They signed a 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:34.960 They signed a you know, versatile special teams backup linebackers 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:39.800 Thomas h They signed Deonte Thompson, the speedy, uh fourth 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:42.520 wide receiver type guy. And then the big news obviously 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:46.200 as they signed Alan Hearns on Friday. He figures to 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:49.440 be your number two maybe as it looks right now. Honestly, 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:51.840 he could play any of the top three receiver spots 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:54.760 most likely actually saw it. Plays a lot more or 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.120 played a lot more on the slot in Jacksonville than 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:00.760 people want to give him credit for. Right um. And 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:05.480 then the unofficial news is that they made a handful 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:08.600 of movements on the offensive line. Uh, you know, there's 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:11.720 nothing official from the club, but it sounds like maybe 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.280 agreed to terms kind of a thing camera working on 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:17.680 agreeing to terms. Cameron Fleming, the oh tackle from New 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:20.400 England is expected to sign here back to the sign. 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:24.120 There you go, Marcus Martin, the guard Cleveland is expected 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:25.880 to sign. There was a third one, wasn't there? Or 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:27.640 did I make that up? You made that up? Oh, 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:30.200 I'm sorry. Hey, hey, there might be there were pretty 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.480 nice signings. There might be another maybe and we don't 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:39.120 know it yet, another guard resigning maybe. Oh that's you're right, yeah, 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.480 big jumbo Joe. Yeah, So we'll kind of wait and 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:43.680 see how that'll um. But I mean, so, you know, 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:45.560 like I said, there's I don't think there's been any 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.800 ink on paper yet, so let's not yeah, counting our 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.840 chickens before they hatch. But if those deals go through, 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:55.280 that's that's what you were looking for, right Dane. I 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:58.240 mean that's your your was asking for a guard. You're 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:00.720 talking about a guy who could see your redically start 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.400 for this team at guard and a tackle who's good 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:05.520 enough to start if he needs to. I know we 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:09.120 already talked about. Um, the possibility that this creates a 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.520 shuffle in the lineup, maybe they want to start fleming 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:14.760 a tackle and move li All back to guard feels 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:18.200 super duper premature for those types of conversations, but that 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:20.480 is something that got floated out there. So I mean 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.680 they've got they've got pieces. Now, they've got starter quality 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:28.000 players that they've brought in to help bolster that group. Well, 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:31.039 what was the selling you know, not again nothing official yet, 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:34.520 but the selling point to Fleming? You know, we're gonna 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.200 bring you in so you could be our six offensive linemen. Yeah, 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:40.240 swing guy, I agree. I mean that's much of a 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:42.680 selling point, you know, unless he can go back to 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.600 New England and been that exactly, unless you're really overpaying, 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:48.440 which you know, we'll find out the the you know, 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:52.440 the details, but you know it's something that I'm we're 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:54.400 gonna find out the play in here pretty soon, whether 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.120 that's going to be Collins at guard uh, if they're 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:59.479 gonna mix it match try you know, the five best 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.200 on the field formula, whatever that may be. It's it's 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.159 going to be interesting. Yeah, I am. I am interested 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:07.440 because again, I want to know, do you guys feel 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:10.719 like though this that should any of these moves take 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.120 them out of it kind of? It shuffles your It 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:15.839 shuffles your thought process, doesn't it. That's my question I 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:18.880 want to ask. You brought us Yeah, Okay, what does 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:23.120 this mean for specifically nineteen in the first round. Yeah, 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.560 with the additions two wide receivers, party that all of 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:27.800 a sudden, that's a crowded wide receiver. Yeah, and and 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:30.800 needs to be needs to be cleaned up. It actually 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:33.200 needs And I personally, and we did a mailbag this 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:35.719 morning on Dallas Cowboys dot Com where we were talking 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:39.200 about didn't feel like that. I didn't feel like that 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:42.160 this movement is over with. I don't I don't feel 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.080 I mean, you said it, Dane, to open the show 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:48.000 thirty days until the draft. I think that I think 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:49.640 that we're going to see some things here in the 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.760 coming days, you know, leading up to the draft. Okay, well, 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:54.840 this is what we're gonna do at receiver now, and 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.919 this is what we're gonna do at you know, offensive tackle. 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:01.160 Not that they have to tell us everything. Guard our 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:04.320 guard for that thing. So you know, in a week 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:08.400 from today, we've got thirty visits coming up for the Cowboys, 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.480 you know. And and as we come back, maybe on Thursday, 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:14.840 David and I will be at Texas A and M 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:16.479 Pro Day. I'm gonna get to your question. We have 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:20.520 Texas m Pro Day on Tuesday, University of Texas on Wednesday. Yep, 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:22.359 a lot of guys working out at those two places. 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:23.920 That would be kind of fun for us to cover 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:27.160 that on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. But the thirty visit 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:29.719 thing will be interesting because I haven't heard any rumors 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:32.640 or speculation that the guys that we've talked about, and 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:34.480 Christian Kirk is a guy we might see and that's 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.160 why bringing us up because he was rumored to be 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:39.240 a guy that was a thirty visit guy. And then 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:41.719 you know, also though with Calvin Ridley, are there other 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:45.000 receivers did they did they say okay that we were 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:50.160 gonna go. They might totally remake this receiving corps. They might, 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.360 I mean, they might just say, you know what, let's 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:56.000 change this piece out. Let's change this piece out. Let's 0:06:56.080 --> 0:07:01.120 change I don't personally feel like me that there's anything 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:03.520 off the board right now for the Cowboys as far 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:07.440 as as far as at nineteen, I still think. Look, 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:12.320 I still feel like though that I think everything's still 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:16.320 in play until we get an idea of where this 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.320 thing really really is at. Yeah, even with the addition 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:23.080 of Hearns and Thompson, you know, if they visit these guys, 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:27.000 I mean, the heck they might Christian Kirk? Okay, how 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:30.000 do you see Christian Kirk if they had an opportunity 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:32.520 to draft at Christian Kirk at nineteen? How do you 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:35.520 see or trade back whatever you want to, scenario you 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:38.440 want to how do you see him fitting? Is he 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.480 just a slot player? Does that mean they're gonna redo 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:45.800 things with you know, with Beasley, with Switzer? Are they 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:47.680 gonna you know? And Hearns did a lot of his 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:50.360 best work out of the slot. Yeah, so I think 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:53.160 he's more of an X myself. But that's what I think, 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.560 Like it was mentioned before, he could really play any 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:59.040 of the three and you feel comforable with it. But yeah, 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:02.400 it's they're doing. I think some they're going in the 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:05.680 right direction because they're leaving themselves open to take the 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:08.520 best player available right that fits kind of their needs, 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:11.920 but without having a glaring need where they have to 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:14.080 take a receiver, they have to take a guard, they 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:16.360 have to take this or that position. So you know, 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:17.840 there's gonna be a lot of names that are going 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.480 to be available there and it's really gonna be interesting 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.600 to see which way they day lean. And that's I'm 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:24.800 you know. I think I said that in the mailbag 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.000 we answered this morning, which is this is you know, 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.320 we're seeing it took a little while, but we're seeing 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:31.880 their free agency strategy play out the way that they 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.960 typically want to do it, which is they've made at 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.880 least one, if not multiple signings at all of their 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:41.800 really big areas of need, with the exception of safety probably, 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.439 But you know, you added a linebacker mainly special teamer, 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:47.760 but can do you know some things to help He 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.720 is Santhony Hitching, Yeah he is. He is Kyle Wilbur, 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:53.760 but think of him as a Justin Durant. Yeah he 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:55.840 don't think of him as Kyle Wilbur. Think of him 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.199 as Justin. He's Kyle Wilbur, but he can do a 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:00.760 little bit more undep. Justin Rant couldn't play specialty. Yeah, 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:03.040 there you go. He's in that which you know I 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.160 think of that. Would they be happy if he's the 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.840 only addition they make to their linebacker corp? No? No, 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:10.640 But it frees you up to where you don't have 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.120 to get that guy at nineteen or fifty now if 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:16.040 you I mean if you probably still should, but it 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:17.600 gives you a little bit of leeway same thing with 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:20.439 your offensive lineman. I mean, how exactly they're going to 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:22.800 shuffle it, I don't know. But if you you know, 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.000 you're not in a situation now where Isaiah Wynn has 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:26.480 to be your pick because you don't have a left 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.040 guard and you're not in a situation this is a 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:31.200 visit too. We don't know about Win, but her name 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.440 who just grow a guard in there. He doesn't have 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:35.760 to be your your nineteenth overall pick because you have 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.360 a guy who can do it. Same thing. Obviously, You've 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:40.320 got more than enough wide receivers who can do it 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.880 right now, so you know, unless something crazy happens, you 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.400 don't necessarily need to address that early either. Do you 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:51.200 think this changes maybe their thoughts on possibly moving up 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:54.360 in the dress. Yeah, that's where I'm going. Go get 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:57.880 ro Quan, Yeah, go get Drwin, Go get your top defense. 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:00.560 Is that where you're going or is that we're there? Oh? 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:02.800 If I was running this team, we'd be flying up. 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:04.920 I know, and I agree with you, but I'm like, 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.520 you know, I care less about our opinion. If I'm 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:09.960 Jason Garrett, If I'm Jason Garrett, I want you to 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:13.000 trade up. Hell yeah, yeah, I'm not sitting here watching 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.520 me play with guys that are halfway through the season. 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:17.600 All of a sudden, it's like, oh, we figured it out, 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.640 and you know your team is two and six. Now, 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.800 uh know who you're going up to get. I'm going 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:25.800 to get one. I'm going to get that linebacker. I'm 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:27.440 going to get that safety. I'm going to get one 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.240 of those two. Those are those are top ten players 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.360 to me for me and I agree. But and now 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:34.520 I know how y'all feel about this, and you know 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:38.640 how I feel about this. So um so I'm gonna 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:41.760 sound redundant, but I don't care. They signed Joe Thomas 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:45.080 again and helps them sort out that linebacker problem. You 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:48.040 could probably wait until later to a draft. Basically, what 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:50.720 is a backup to Jayalen Smith? Yeah? What don't you 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:55.160 have right now? A badass safety? Right? Yeah? I mean 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.360 when you look at it, like, what haven't they addressed 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:00.400 of all their biggest needs? That's there you go. Yeah, 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.200 So if I'm going I'm going to get that guy. 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:05.440 We don't often take calls, but I'll take one right now. 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:12.480 How about Sean and New York Sean? Go ahead? Hello, Sean? Yeah? Hello? Yeah, 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:15.120 what's go ahead? What do you got man? Yes, hold on, 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.640 I had a crazy idea why you guys were talking, 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:20.120 even though I don't want to get rid of Martin 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:22.880 a guard, but what if we could trade Martin and 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:25.160 get a few picks trading like to like cleave and 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:28.800 get some high price back qualities for him and just 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:31.000 pick one of the top guards there, so you could 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.640 save money by not paying him a big contract and 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:35.880 giving them all this money and then you give you 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:37.840 four more years because we're running out on a short 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.520 window with Dak, because soon Dak is like just gonna 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:43.040 be here because we KNOWE. So we started pushing all 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:44.840 that money to Martin, we could save them money, put 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:48.640 it towards picked, and then Michael overpaid, could draft picked 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:52.320 In could probably take on Errol Thomas as a as 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:54.520 money that we could save or not even Earl Thomas, 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.280 or just save our money or just spend our money wisely. 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:59.360 This is what I'm saying. We could save not giving 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:01.480 Martin a big pay day, even though I know he's 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.559 a heart and soul because him if Frederick worked like 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:10.439 peanut butter and jelly, Yeah, thank you, Sean, Yeah, yeah, 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.599 good day, thank you. Appreciate that he guy's interested in 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:16.560 trading Zack Martin. I think, well, I get what he's saying. 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:18.120 I get what I'm saying. That's out of the box. 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:21.079 I appreciate he's got the right idea. If you're you're 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:25.400 paying all these guys, you know, the question is who 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:27.640 at the top of the board can you trade? Can 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:32.040 you trade Zack Martin to? I mean, that's what I mean. 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:35.600 Are we looking at are you looking at trade? Are 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:37.880 you trading in Indianapolis? So you trade him? I mean, 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.640 then why would in Indianapolis to Quentin Nelson. That's that's 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:42.199 kind of what I was saying. You're gonna have to 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:44.920 you would have to get by the way, just Zack 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:48.160 Martin is an Indianapolis guy. He's from Indianapolis. Yeah, but 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:50.120 dad used to work for the NC double A. Yeah, 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.160 even these teams with all this cap space, like, it 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:53.800 wouldn't be a big deal for the Colts or the 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.800 Browns to sign Zack Martin to a huge deal. But yeah, 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.800 first of all, the Browns already have guards anyway. Second, 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.400 that's why Martin didn't bite much at all, well at all. 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:07.680 There that Marcus Martin. Yes, yeah, Marcus h that's it's 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.200 the same philosophy. Why would the Browns want to take 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:12.360 on a sixty seven million dollars contract when they can 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:14.640 just draft Quintin Nelson if that's what they want. I mean, 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:17.800 Colts is probably a better example because they would need 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:20.320 a guard more than the Browns too, But why would 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.120 you want to pay Zack Martin seventy million to be 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.040 your guard when you can draft Quentin Nelson and pay 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:27.160 him twenty two or the next you know, yeah, half 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:29.640 a decade, and with the uncertainty with Tyron, you know, 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:31.839 just for the future. I mean, Tyron when he's healthy, 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:34.720 is a top three tackle in this league? Sure, maybe 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.760 number one? Sure, But with the back I mean backs, 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.240 you know they don't backs never really get better. Yeah, 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:41.800 just kind of have to hide it a little bit, 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.240 and you just have to worry about that for the future. 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:48.120 So I am not getting rid of the best guard, 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:51.640 arguably the best guard in football went in creating a 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:54.920 whole amount offensive line. I get the point he's trying 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:57.040 to make save some money, save some cap room, but 0:13:57.760 --> 0:13:59.360 I just can't do it. I mean, yeah, we don't 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:01.679 know how those call track negotiations are going. You know, 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:04.800 if Zach Martin's really asking for to be the highest 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:08.040 paid OFFICEI lineman ever in NFL history, or if he's 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:10.559 being reasonable, I mean, who knows how that's going. But 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.160 I just can't envision a scenario where I would look 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:15.400 to get rid of him, not only and I mean 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:17.400 I certainly would have thought that deal would have been 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:21.280 done by now, certainly sure, But even with the delay, 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.240 I'm still very confident it will get done, even if 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:26.440 I mean, if he got to if he's got to 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:28.440 play this year on the one year option, which I 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:30.200 think they would prefer not to do. I don't know, 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:33.320 but but you know, by the time next league year 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:35.600 rolls around, when he would be headed for free agency, 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:38.480 they'll they'll work something out. And Zach Martin's not going 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:41.000 in with thought. What I'm worried about right now is 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.320 the price of poker to go and get a pick 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:45.840 up in that top twelve. Now with the way teams 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:50.120 are scramming to get quarterbacks, well maybe I'm worried if 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:53.360 someone's going to really hold you up, you know, for 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:56.840 something that you I mean, we've always thought about fifty's 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.480 being the one way to get there, always thought about, 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:01.760 hey flip fifty and go go get a guy, Go 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:04.200 get in the top, Go get in the top eleven 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.320 if you can. But I just kind of I'm a 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:10.320 little worried now. I want to go, I do want 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:11.840 to go. I want to go, be aggressive on it, 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:13.680 but I have I'm a little worried about that. I 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.680 have a couple of thoughts there. One is that we're 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.480 seeing a fun amount of movement movement at the top 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.880 of the draft. Right, Jets have already gone up everybody. 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:24.960 I mean, it's a poorly kept secret that the Bills 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:26.880 are trying. I mean, they're gonna go up right, you 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:31.120 know all that. So you're in a position where a 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.800 lot of these quarterbacks could be gone way before pick ten. 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:39.000 I mean, you know, I mean Darnold Rosen, Alan Mayfield, 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:42.080 we would maybe all agree, will be gone by eight. 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:46.280 Very possible. Yeah, And so I mean that leaves Lamar 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:47.920 Jackson is a bit of a wild card, but there 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.120 might not be that much of a quarterback market left 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:52.000 by the time you're talking about pick ten or two. 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:54.880 So I think teams are reasonable too. I mean, if 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:58.440 who were sitting there at nine, say San Francisco, say 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:01.320 they want to move back, it's a little different when 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:05.320 Arizona calls them and they you know they're going to 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.000 get a quarterback. Well, San Francisco is gonna ask for 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.320 a little bit more as opposed to Dallas, who is 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:13.240 going up to get a safety. Asking price will be 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:16.480 a little bit different. Now, if you know, if if 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.760 Dallas offers nineteen and fifty and says best offer there, 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.040 it is they're gonna go to Arizona and say, okay, 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:25.040 well we need your first second plus next US two 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:27.480 or whatever right they ask. If they don't do it, 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:30.440 they might go with the Cowboys offer. So yeah, it's 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.200 there's a good chance the quarterbacks we wiped out in 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:36.000 the top eight or so, and so nine, ten, eleven 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:39.400 possible trade up spots. Do you think people will be 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:41.680 trading up though? Okay, then if you all those quarterbacks 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:43.600 should go in, then now you're talking about really good 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:48.080 positional players being there though too, Runner, right, guards, that's 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:50.520 how it works. I mean, good players is gonna complying backers. 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:52.720 But I think there's gonna be teams willing to get out. 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:56.560 This is not well. Do you think Ballard at six 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.400 is willing to bail? Absolutely? I mean I think he's 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.160 very comfortable sitting where he is and taking Quentin Nelson, 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:06.360 Bradley Chubb a stud. If let's just say three quarterbacks, 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:11.560 you go into top five, he's guaranteed Chub, Barkley or Nelson, 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:13.800 He's guaranteed one of those three players right, arguably the 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:16.760 three best players in this draft. So he feels great 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:19.399 with where he is at six. But he is definitely 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:22.840 listening to offers to go back, even if it's into 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.760 the teens, in the twenties, you know, wherever it is, 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.560 to you know, get more players, because he knows he 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:30.920 needs to rebuild a roster, and I think he's gonna 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:34.400 do that through the second round picks and into even 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.719 next year's picks. I got another question for you too, 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:38.800 to go along with that. All right, let's say somebody 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.399 does try to hold you up. How how crazy are 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:45.080 you willing to get because they got all those picks, 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.680 they got all those compics, right, Yeah, I think Jerry 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.920 Jones called him a godsend in Indianapolis. You've got that, 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:53.280 You've got the could you could you I'm not. I'm 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.320 not because you got one thirty seven, which is a fourth. 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:58.600 I'm not giving up eighty one in a deal to 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:00.680 move up in the first round. I'm already and let's 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:02.600 you know, I have about fifty one thirty seven, that's 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:05.119 what I'm saying. Fifty and a fourth, even fifty and 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:09.520 one sixteen maybe to land a guy that's gonna, you know, 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:11.880 start and do a lot for you from day one. Yeah, 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:15.280 and maybe ask for a fifth back. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:19.679 I'm do We let's let's figure out real quick here 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.720 if we could, what's what's the what would be if 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:25.560 the draft was just the way it is. What's the 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:31.280 landing spot for Roquan Smith? I gotta imagine, I mean, 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:32.880 just give me a number. Don't get I mean, I'm 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:34.679 not asking you, I'm not asking a team. Just give 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:37.160 me the number between nine and thirteen. I was gonna 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:39.840 say nine and fifteen, but yeah, nine and thirteen. How 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:46.399 about Derwin James? Six and twelve? That's fair. I think 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:49.840 Tampas lakes him a lot of seven. So six to twelve, Yeah, 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:53.600 that makes sense. What's gonna make the most sense for 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.960 us to go? Guys? That's I think this is only 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:59.480 a conversation. I mean, we we've kind of helped ourselves 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:01.480 with three as we think just you know, kind of 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:05.040 cleaning up some things. We think, let's go, let's go 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:07.600 do this. This is only a conversation you can have. 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:10.840 I think if the guy you're targeting gets to nine 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:12.879 or ten, oh, with all these quarterbacks going, we got 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:17.040 a shot. Sure, but I'm the I mean when you're 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:19.360 you're you're at nineteen, so I mean, you know, trying 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.159 to get up. Okay, let's say the Bucks really do 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:24.040 love Derwin James to get to seven and especially I 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:25.879 mean if a quarterback is still on the board too. 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:28.760