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Speaker 1: Did. He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys

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Speaker 1: on the Ore war Room for in center news and

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Speaker 1: draft analysis from deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters

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Speaker 1: at the Star in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Select Ezekiel Elliott

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Speaker 1: and now your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Brian

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Speaker 1: brought us. Well, welcome to the Draft Show the SWBC

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Speaker 1: Mortgage Studios. Brian brought us Dane Brugler, David Hellman, Douglas

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Speaker 1: Executive producing today. Glad to have him along. Here is

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Speaker 1: Kent Garrison is on assignment at the Owners meeting, so

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Speaker 1: hopefully we'll have something draft related from Stephen Jones. Jerry

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Speaker 1: Jones from the Owners Meetings says they get going there

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Speaker 1: in Florida, gentlemen, I'm getting close to this thing. One month.

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Speaker 1: One month. Well you look tired, Dane. Yeah, okay, it's

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Speaker 1: the last week before the beast comes out. Basic so

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Speaker 1: I haven't been asleep yet tonight or this morning with

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Speaker 1: time as at ten am. Uh so you know you's

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Speaker 1: got one week to finish. So we're almost there, almost there. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's good to have you back though we missed you

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Speaker 1: the other day. Katie filled in. Well, bet he did well.

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Speaker 1: It's the first time I've actually listened to the Draft

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Speaker 1: show in like four years really because a good point. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: me and Dane aren't sick like you. We don't go

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Speaker 1: was good to actually catch an episode. I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: what what you how do you think we did? You

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Speaker 1: did great? Katie did a nice job filling in. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, Tay brought some some fire at the end.

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Speaker 1: So you guys did a nice job. Well, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. But it's nice to have you back

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Speaker 1: in that chair. Yeah, it's it's a relief having you

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Speaker 1: here to be our safety nut. I kind of tease

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Speaker 1: the idea earlier on Twitter that the Cowboys now making

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Speaker 1: some moves, David Hellman, and this is where you come

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Speaker 1: in and In't it nice to go on a show

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Speaker 1: with actual things to talk about that aren't just going

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Speaker 1: to generate sarcastic comments. You know, we'll see how sarcastic

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Speaker 1: people can be. But now now the narrative, guys changes

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Speaker 1: to things that the Cowboys have done, and there's a

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Speaker 1: couple of official things that you can talk about, Dave,

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Speaker 1: I think the wide receiver well, and then a handful

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Speaker 1: of actually because they agreed to part of it though,

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Speaker 1: well throw it okay, throw in Joe Thomas. So they

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Speaker 1: signed you know, at a retirement. Yeah, gott to clarify

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Speaker 1: there goes, Yeah, we just can a linebacker. Gonna move

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Speaker 1: the college right in there to guard. They signed a

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Speaker 1: as they signed Alan Hearns on Friday. He figures to

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Speaker 1: be your number two maybe as it looks right now. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: he could play any of the top three receiver spots

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Speaker 1: most likely actually saw it. Plays a lot more or

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Speaker 1: played a lot more on the slot in Jacksonville than

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Speaker 1: people want to give him credit for. Right um. And

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Speaker 1: then the unofficial news is that they made a handful

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Speaker 1: of movements on the offensive line. Uh, you know, there's

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Speaker 1: nothing official from the club, but it sounds like maybe

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Speaker 1: agreeing to terms. Cameron Fleming, the oh tackle from New

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Speaker 1: There you go, Marcus Martin, the guard Cleveland is expected

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Speaker 1: to sign. There was a third one, wasn't there? Or

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Speaker 1: did I make that up? You made that up? Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Hey, hey, there might be there were pretty

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Speaker 1: nice signings. There might be another maybe and we don't

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Speaker 1: know it yet, another guard resigning maybe. Oh that's you're right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: chickens before they hatch. But if those deals go through,

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Speaker 1: that's that's what you were looking for, right Dane. I

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Speaker 1: mean that's your your was asking for a guard. You're

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Speaker 1: But it frees you up to where you don't have

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Speaker 1: who just grow a guard in there. He doesn't have

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Speaker 1: think this changes maybe their thoughts on possibly moving up

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Speaker 1: ro Quan, Yeah, go get Drwin, Go get your top defense.

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Speaker 1: How about Sean and New York Sean? Go ahead? Hello, Sean? Yeah? Hello? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying. We could save not giving

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Speaker 1: I certainly would have thought that deal would have been

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Speaker 1: they'll they'll work something out. And Zach Martin's not going

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Speaker 1: in with thought. What I'm worried about right now is

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Speaker 1: someone's going to really hold you up, you know, for

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Speaker 1: But I think there's gonna be teams willing to get out.

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Speaker 1: This is not well. Do you think Ballard at six

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Speaker 1: He's guaranteed one of those three players right, arguably the

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Speaker 1: listening to offers to go back, even if it's into

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Speaker 1: they got all those compics, right, Yeah, I think Jerry

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Speaker 1: I'm not giving up eighty one in a deal to

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Speaker 1: move up in the first round. I'm already and let's

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Speaker 1: I'm do We let's let's figure out real quick here

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Speaker 1: if we could, what's what's the what would be if

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Speaker 1: say nine and fifteen, but yeah, nine and thirteen. How

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Speaker 1: about Derwin James? Six and twelve? That's fair. I think

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Speaker 1: Tampas lakes him a lot of seven. So six to twelve, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that makes sense. What's gonna make the most sense for

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Speaker 1: us to go? Guys? That's I think this is only

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Speaker 1: I think if the guy you're targeting gets to nine

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Speaker 1: You're talking fifty and one thirty seven. Is that enough?

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Speaker 1: that's so you're a whole pick short of where you

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Speaker 1: Could you give all? Right? How about this is the

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Speaker 1: Maybe huh nine I can do? Yeah? Would everybody feel

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Speaker 1: And when in reality and they're gonna we're just talking

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Speaker 1: stand in at nineteen, it's Vanderesh, right, you meant you're protecting.

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Speaker 1: It's like psycholog the other day. The other day we

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Speaker 1: talked about you heard the show. Yeah, I guess we

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Speaker 1: did a mock draft of the magazine. Guess who I picked?

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Speaker 1: You took the boys? He said, yes, yes, I did. Yes,

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Speaker 1: It's like all just reverse psychology. Would rather I would

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Speaker 1: rather give the two in the four and go then

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Speaker 1: I would stand and pick nineteen. And I like Vanderesh,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I would rather go get the better player. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would be And I tweeted this last night. I

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Speaker 1: would be more excited about vander Esh at nineteen than

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Speaker 1: it was about Taco at twenty eight last year. That's fair. That,

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Speaker 1: that's fair. I can get on board with that too.

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Speaker 1: And I know, like nobody wants to hear this because

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Speaker 1: you know, you want your first round pick to like

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Speaker 1: light the world on fire. I get that. But I

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Speaker 1: can talk myself into vander Esh and Rashaan Evans because

439
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Speaker 1: ideally they're not They're you're not putting the world on

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Speaker 1: their shoulders. You know, ideally they're they're not a starter,

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Speaker 1: which you want your nineteenth overall pick to be a starter.

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Speaker 1: I get that he wants his first three picks to

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Speaker 1: be starters. I think that should be the goal. Ever

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Speaker 1: called out on Twitter the other day about that, didn't

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Speaker 1: you I did? Somebody called you out on Twitter about that.

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Speaker 1: That should be a goal every year, and we've seen it.

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Speaker 1: We've seen it like this team is. I know, Okay,

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Speaker 1: make fun of the Jaalen Smith pick all you want,

449
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Speaker 1: but more often than not, they're getting starter caliber players

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Speaker 1: when they're picking in the top one hundred at least,

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Speaker 1: you know, in the last four three years, I'm all

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Speaker 1: four with what they've done in free agency to kind

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Speaker 1: of shore up some things. If they're planning on moving

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Speaker 1: guys around and stuff. It gives you, let's go, It

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Speaker 1: gives you the flexibility to do what you think is best.

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Speaker 1: And I mean it gives you you we're talking about

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Speaker 1: a team. Well we're talking about it aggressively. But it

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Speaker 1: also gives you the flexibility. And again, you got to

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Speaker 1: have a trade partner. But if you're not in love

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Speaker 1: with anybody at nineteen, you don't need that badass so

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Speaker 1: badly that you can't trade back for more picks. I

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Speaker 1: just s don't want to be sitting there at nineteen

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Speaker 1: and go, gosh, dang, And I made seven calls and no,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm trying. I'm trying. It happens, you know,

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Speaker 1: but nobody's nobody's willing to do anything I got, you

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Speaker 1: know what, even and happens Paul John Lynch. The other

467
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Speaker 1: side of that too is and we talk all the

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Speaker 1: time about how they got fleeced in the Travis Frederick trade. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but if you don't love Frisco Osius one. But well,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, if you don't love the mind them of that,

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Speaker 1: if you don't love your options at nineteen, would you

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Speaker 1: maybe let somebody underpay to come up and let's you know,

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Speaker 1: you drop back to like twenty four or twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Maybe all you get out of as a third round pick,

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Speaker 1: but you still feel good about what you're gonna know. No,

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Speaker 1: this is where. No, I've got ten picks. No, tiny Jim,

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Speaker 1: I'm not interested in adding any more picks. I'm interested.

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Speaker 1: I'm interested in getting another third round picks, another opportunity

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Speaker 1: to try to find the starter. Keep your last move.

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Speaker 1: You can move back and then move back up and

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Speaker 1: move around. You ever say yeah, open my work those phones,

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Speaker 1: open mind those guys they laugh at you when you

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Speaker 1: try and do that. Can you have sometimes? Can you

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Speaker 1: make trades after the first rump? Sure you can't? Okay,

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Speaker 1: what if you guys want to keep adding picks so

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Speaker 1: you won't take Will Hernandez at twenty five and add

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Speaker 1: pick eighty five and wouldn't do that and then use

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Speaker 1: pick fifty and eighty five to go up to get

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Speaker 1: thirty five and get your guy, whoever that may be.

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Speaker 1: Come on, Brian, think outside the lot, thinking outside the box.

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Speaker 1: I've lived this. I've lived when that phone does not ring,

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Speaker 1: trust me, I've lived That sounds like a bad feeling. No, guys.

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Speaker 1: You guys are like, oh, throw magic dust on at

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Speaker 1: the phone ring. Oh that is so false. Nor mister trade,

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Speaker 1: Oh I love the trade. I'm about going up the

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Speaker 1: more picks. I mean, Brian likes getting rid of his resources. Adding,

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Speaker 1: I just like going to get really good players. That's

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Speaker 1: my eye. I think we all agree with that. We

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Speaker 1: would all. You told me I could get the linebacker

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Speaker 1: at nine, or get Will Hernandez at twenty seven or whatever. Okay,

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Speaker 1: by the way, is there any chance, any chance at

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield makes it out of the top fifteen With

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Speaker 1: these quarterbacks, anything's possible. Aaron Rodgers fell to twenty four.

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Speaker 1: You know, anything's possible to these quarterbacks. But I would

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Speaker 1: be surprised. There's just too many desperate quarterback desperate teams.

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Speaker 1: Whether that's and Jackson's gonna be the last man stand?

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Speaker 1: Could someone take White ahead of Jackson? Mike White White,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I have not heard anyone that likes Mike

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Speaker 1: White as much as you do. Okay, I like, I

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Speaker 1: know some teams. I do know. No, I know some

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Speaker 1: teams that like it. But I'm just curious. In the

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Speaker 1: first round, I've never I haven't heard that. I hope.

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Speaker 1: I hope the league's not sleeping on Lamar as much

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Speaker 1: as we they are, Like, I hope Lamar gas. I

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Speaker 1: don't like the top twelve. He's going somewhere first round.

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Speaker 1: Keep adding third round picks. Sorry, we've got ten already.

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Speaker 1: Prepare myself. This team hasn't gone up in the first

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Speaker 1: in for a good friend of the show, the inimitable

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Speaker 1: Bob sturm Ah. He wants I wanted you to be

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Speaker 1: part of this specifically, Dane, because you're the big ten guy.

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Speaker 1: He wants a comparison of sa Quon, Barkley and Zeke

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Speaker 1: and where you would favor one over the other. Zeke

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Speaker 1: is he's better in pass protection? Yes, um, I think

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Speaker 1: pass catching they're pretty equal. I mean I don't think

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Speaker 1: one is clearly better than the other. Yes, I think

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Speaker 1: sae Quon came a long way this year and he's

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Speaker 1: more than just a screen guy. He'll run some routes.

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Speaker 1: He will he'll go down the scene routes. Yeah, he'll

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Speaker 1: do a little bit more that for you. So I

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Speaker 1: think they're they're comparable as pass catchers. Where Zeke gets

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Speaker 1: the edge for me is he is a true chameleon back.

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Speaker 1: Where it's third and one, he can use power and

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Speaker 1: he can get you that one yard. If it's first

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Speaker 1: and ten, he can bounce it outside and get you

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Speaker 1: twelve yards. He can do whatever the defense is gonna

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Speaker 1: let him do, or whatever you need as an offense,

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Speaker 1: where Barkley isn't really that type of back. He's got

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Speaker 1: For me, Barkley's outstanding. I give Zeke the edge because

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Speaker 1: I think he's just a better running back. Yeah, I see.

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Speaker 1: I think he thumbnailed him perfectly for Bob, I really

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Speaker 1: really do the thing that you know when you look

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Speaker 1: at Barkley, a lot of it is the playing sideways

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Speaker 1: stuff with Zeke but I always felt like that Zeke

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Speaker 1: try and find. I just think that the point he

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Speaker 1: watch him at Ohio State. I mean he was stoning

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Speaker 1: I mean he's not afraid. It's not a it's not

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Speaker 1: But I will say this though, the thing that I

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Speaker 1: I mean completely stops, and like you know, Josie Jewel

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Speaker 1: ability to spin, to move, to navigate, to get through

635
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: tight little cracks. Yeah, that's that. That guy's got that

636
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: special ability. He really really he's freaky in terms of

637
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: athletic ability, and it shows on the field. One thing

638
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: that does worry me about Barkeley is running backs who

639
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: stopped their feet in the backfield. Yeah, that that were

640
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: in college. That worries me when you project him to

641
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: the pros because there's just less time that you have

642
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: to stop, reset your eyes and find that developing lane.

643
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: In the NFL, he's got to do it quicker, and

644
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: he can't stop his feet as much as he does,

645
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: or he's gonna get in trump. Mean, that's what a

646
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: guy like like Trent Richardson. Yeah, that's why he's not

647
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: in the league anymore. Stopped his feet in the backfield,

648
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: couldn't reset in time. I'm not saying Barkeley is gonna

649
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: be Trent Richardson, but that's one area where I do

650
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: have some pause with with with Barkley. But I mean,

651
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: we're still talking about an running back prospect. He's he's right, though,

652
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's a he's that balance the balances,

653
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: and yeah, that might have been the best running back

654
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: one of the best running back tapes I've ever He's

655
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: getting hit and hand down, one leg spinning. I mean,

656
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: it's it's impressive, it really really is. And but I I,

657
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: you know, I it's funny because in this draft I

658
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: would have Barkley in my top three, and Zeke was

659
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: my second best player behind Miles Jack in that draft

660
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: side Miles Jack one and Zeke second. So I think

661
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: that would mean I would have in this draft I

662
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: will have I'll have Barkley third. Probably I'm my top

663
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: fifty will be out here. So if Zeke was, if

664
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: just as a prospect was in this draft, he would

665
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: be ahead of Barkley in my opinion, you would. Yeah,

666
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: we agree. I know. We said at the top of

667
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: the show it's two early to speculate, but we're gonna

668
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: do it for Mica anyway, because Michael wants to know,

669
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: what do you think is the better scenario? Plug Marcus

670
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: Martin In at left guard and leave the line the

671
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: same as it was, assuming these signings go through just

672
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: for Clarity's sake, or and have Cam Fleming, but your

673
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: swing tackle or Bumpy Collins to left guard. Uh, put

674
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: Cameron Fleming at right tackle and use Martin as kind

675
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: of your backup interior swing guy. We're still interested in

676
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: drafted a guard at nineteen. We speak for yourself. Ah,

677
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: I'm just asking you. Look, you've watched more Martin more

678
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: than I have. I have, and I you know what

679
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: I think Martin. I think Martin has got some Joe

680
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: Joe Lune some uh some Rolyn Cooper. No, the Ron

681
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: Larry Arry. Yeah, I think remember, no, remember when Ron

682
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: Larry David was was big and we first we first

683
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: remember he was big. He really didn't get left down.

684
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: Yeah after fifth Yeah, after after they after they took

685
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: his job away. What he do He went out, remade

686
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: his body, became a better second level player. Now he's

687
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: making really great money with the Broncos. Yeah. I think that.

688
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: I think with with Martin, I see that kind of

689
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: that early I see the early Ron Larry that that big,

690
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: not always at the second level, you know, but still

691
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: the power the know. I just I kind of feel

692
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: like though he has some starting traits, not perfect by

693
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: any means, but Ron Lurie was the same way. Ron

694
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: Lurie didn't have that initially, Like you put him in

695
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: there as a starter and he you know, it wasn't

696
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: always pretty with him. I think Martin's the same way

697
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: me personally. I think, man, it would be very hard

698
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: for me to move I hate while Collins from right tackle.

699
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: After I saw, after I've seen him for a year,

700
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: he played so well, played well. I mean, once he

701
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: figured out at training camp that that, you know, I

702
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: can't just run everybody past the quarterback. I've got to

703
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: I've got to you know, I've got a punch, i

704
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: gotta keep in balance, I've got to use my hands.

705
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: I've got to get my kickstep right, i gotta be

706
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: in position, i gotta get my head back. Once he

707
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: figured all that stuff out, it was pretty easy for him.

708
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: Not only that, but to move him out there and

709
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: extend him before he ever played a game at right tackle,

710
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: like it's it's suggested this long term plan, you know,

711
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: and to bounce him back to the other side after

712
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: one season, it's like wish washy, like like waffling. They're

713
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: not sure what to do. So if I'll tell you

714
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: what though, if you told me fleming at right tackle

715
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: is a good option, though, yeah, is a good option,

716
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: and if it meant it's okay, we're gonna be if

717
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: it's if it's the best five theory, and you know what,

718
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: I'll I'll readily admit that that's probably it's it's more

719
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: than a little bit of Homerism on my part Lyle

720
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: went to he went to my school. Sure, he's a

721
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: great school too, great guy, I would argue, top top five,

722
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: nicest dude in the locker room, Like I just I

723
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: root for him. So if I mean when he plays,

724
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: it's he's the essence of like a gentle giant. Like

725
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: you can tell he's mean as hell on the field.

726
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: Don't you never see an ounce of that anywhere off

727
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: the field? Um, I just don't want to see all

728
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: but well, you're a preparation that he had exactly but

729
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: in all sense, like okay, well here we're gonna make you.

730
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: I mean, he's thinking, if that's outside outside, and now

731
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: you kick him back inside and you're like, if that

732
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: really gives you the best fabled starting five, which I

733
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: think is kind of a flawed concept in the first place.

734
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: But if that's if that's it killed Chaz Green, if

735
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: that's what it takes then whatever. But I would rather

736
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: just plug a guard in and leave the rest of

737
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: it alone. But that's probably gonna depend on what they

738
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: might have told Fleming to get him to sign him. Yeah,

739
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: I don't know that. Yeah, obviously they told him that. Hey,

740
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think he could stay in New

741
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: England and be a swing tackle. Yeah he started Super

742
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: Bowl in an AFC championship game, by the way, for you, Yeah, um,

743
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: all right, we're talking about cleaning up that wide receiver room. Yeah,

744
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think. I think this is possible.

745
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: But could you could you package Dez into a trade

746
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: to move up in the draft. That'd be surprising. That's

747
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: just a hell of an unwieldy contract. Try to the contract,

748
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: I mean, does I don't think his trade value is

749
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: very high right now, coming off the season that he

750
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: that he had. I mean, I guess it's if your

751
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: plan is to cut him, then I guess you might

752
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: as well trade him and get something for him. But

753
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that he has the value that Cowboys

754
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: fans think he does. Well. I think I disagree with

755
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: you a little bit because I think he has a

756
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: ton of value as a free agent. I think he

757
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 1: has no value on the contract that he's on right now. Yeah,

758
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: that I agree. Yeah, as a free if he was

759
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: cut and he had signed, I mean, he would have

760
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: plenty of calls within five minutes. Yeah, But in terms

761
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: of like they're not trading nineteen and does Bryant to

762
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: go up to pick eight right if that's not happening,

763
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: No way. So that's where I think it's a little

764
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: unrealistic because of the contract. But yeah, no, I agree,

765
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: if he's on the open market, he's definitely getting calls.

766
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: I'm just I don't know, I'm fascinated by what's going

767
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 1: to happen at that position, even even if what happens

768
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: is nothing Like let's just say that's their receiver group,

769
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: that's something that's but that's that's still really interesting to me,

770
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: you know, how that dynamic works with I mean, Dez

771
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: isn't just going to forget that he was kind of

772
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: dangling out there for the last two and a half months,

773
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, so that is something just seems

774
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: really strange to me. And maybe I'm the only one

775
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: to think in this, but I felt like if they

776
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: were going to keep him around, wouldn't they have made

777
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: the talk to him and saying, hey, this is what

778
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 1: we're gonna do to your salary. You would think that's

779
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: kind of where I would think that maybe you're like, Okay, hey,

780
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: you're in the plans, pig fella, this is what we're

781
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: gonna do. This is our plan with us, or you're

782
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: against us. You would think, yeah, at do you know

783
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: they haven't. I don't get the feeling that they have.

784
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: It doesn't. I don't get the vibe that it's like

785
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 1: this open. The receiver says that he's good. But let's

786
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: let's see. I think when he says he's good, I

787
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: think that means he's at peace with it. Whatever happenever happens,

788
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: is going to happen real quick. Let's go to Eric

789
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: and Houston. Eric, what do you got? All right? Well,

790
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: I have this idea about so why with super situation,

791
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: Well my things out of the box like this, why

792
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: don't we trade Beasley and Tenant Williams to get picks

793
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: so we can get more picks and get more picks

794
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: to go up to get our going James or a

795
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: rock Way Smith okay, a third or four? Okay again,

796
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: thank er. I think that's probably another situation where you

797
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 1: overvalue what a guy's worth. I mean, sounds great in theory,

798
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: but where's that call coming from? Cole Beasley. I think

799
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: the world of him, and he's had a couple of

800
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: really fantastic years. Here he's on a one year deal

801
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 1: and no offense to him. But if you want Cole Beasley,

802
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: you can go get him anywhere from the third to

803
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: the seventh round of the draft, right exactly. So, the

804
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: thought of giving up a draft pick to pay a

805
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: guy ten times more than what you would have to

806
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: pay a rookie to do the job thirty some catches

807
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, anyway, even they need to get him going,

808
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: even I mean they were rolling along. When they were

809
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: rolling along though at sixteen, he was one of the

810
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: reasons why you were winning football games, and that, you know.

811
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: I My intention is not to sound condescending, but anytime

812
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: fans ask questions like that, I'm like, well, you're why

813
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: are you trying to get rid of him? If he's

814
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: worth what you think he's worth, right, Like, why are

815
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: you so desperate to move on from him? If you

816
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: think somebody's gonna give that for him? That's it. I mean,

817
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: these guys, I me if we want to trade Cole

818
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: Beasley after last year, the two sixteen season we had

819
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: when he had value exactly, but now that value especially

820
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: he's making over four million dollars at a slot guy

821
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: who you know, you just don't know what you're gonna

822
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: get next year out of him, so at best you're

823
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: getting a late rounder for him, at best. I really,

824
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: I really love this question, so I have to fit

825
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: it in before we got it right. Um, and this

826
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: is from Nick. He's using Ronald Jones as an example.

827
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: So he just says so, but don't worry about the name.

828
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: But he says, say Ronald Jones falls to fifty And

829
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: basically I'm gonna reword the question. So it's how far

830
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: does a running back prospect have to fall for you

831
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: to consider doing that? Obviously you've got a thought at

832
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: eighty one this team doesn't need running back in a

833
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: huge way. Yeah, we kind of are, That's what I'm saying.

834
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: I mean, at some point that it becomes such a bargain.

835
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: But see with Ronald Jones, like he didn't catch the

836
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: ball a lot in college. Yeah, and if I'm drafting

837
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: a running back for this team, I need a guy

838
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: that's going to be game pass protect and he can

839
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: he can do something in the passing game catching the ball.

840
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: So with Ronald Jones, as much as I like him,

841
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if he carry on Johnson, I was

842
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: gonna say, it's substitute, you're running back off your Well,

843
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: I mean not that I think it'll happen, But what

844
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: about Darius geis just I mean, at what point to

845
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: value any? Yeah? Any? What I mean? I was thinking

846
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: that and the again, the mock drafted I did for

847
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: the I think we all picked in the third at

848
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: eighty one. Maybe you picked in the fourth. I think

849
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: I picked running back at one sixteen nicked times at

850
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: eighty one. I'd say that that makes sense because of

851
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: the value that what he can do to your aw.

852
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: He's not a true running back, he's an offensive weapon. Yeah.

853
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: You know, you can line him up in the slot,

854
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: you can line him up in the back. Yeah. Yeah.

855
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: He was a track guy and then he played wide receiver,

856
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: played running back, played a little bit of everywhere. He

857
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: doesn't have a true position, so that would make some sense.

858
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: But no, it's an interesting thought because I think they

859
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: will draft a running back at some point in the draft,

860
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: and ideally you'd like that to be Day three, but

861
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: if the right running back falls, you do have to

862
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: consider it. And it's just depends on how you're going

863
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: to use him, because Zeke's not coming off the field. No.

864
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: In a lot of situations, can they co exist in

865
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 1: the field at the same time based on their skill sets.

866
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: You just have to know what you what you're getting.

867
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: If you're gonna take a running back at the top

868
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: three rounds something, I think something pretty amazing would have

869
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 1: to happen for them to go on Day one or two.

870
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: That's but it's an interesting thought because I mean if

871
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, at what point does the

872
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: value of the player exceed the fact that you don't

873
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: really need him? And I mean something great, like if

874
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: Ronald Jones was there at fifty, I'd be hard. Yeah,

875
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: I think no, I think you have like at Sony

876
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: Michelle or okay, yeah, see, okay, okay, all right, but

877
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: at fifty Michelle at eighty one, yea, at eighty one, okay,

878
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: because I was gonna, I was gonna, I was gonna

879
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: kind of ask you. You just told me this guy

880
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: doesn't catch the ball or doesn't get many opportunities. If

881
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: you watch the Georgia kids. Neither one of them get

882
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: out catching the football either. But he he had like

883
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: twenty four catches. I mean, it was more than some

884
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: of these other guys plus on well, I mean, what

885
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: was Ronald Jones was he? I mean I saw some

886
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: Ronald Jones plays where he's like kind of in the

887
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: kind of like floating around and all of a sudden

888
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: he gets behind a linebacker. Next thing you know, it's

889
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: a touchdown. I think it was a goods Utah plus

890
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: or Arizona, one of those teams on at on third downs,

891
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: Ronald Jones caught fourteen balls last year at george on

892
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: third downs. H it wasn't Nick Chubble on the field

893
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: most times it was Sony Michelle. Sure, and so that

894
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: was kind of their third down guy. No, and they

895
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: didn't use them a lot in the passing game, but

896
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: they trusted him to pass protect and to be there.

897
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah there you guy, all right. Yeah, college running backs

898
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: not having impressive tape in the passing game, I think

899
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: is more a product of college offenses than them not

900
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: being able to do it. You know, it was more

901
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: sample size. Yeah, it was a not I think the

902
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: blocking thing gets my attention more if you're if you're

903
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: really bad at it, right, especially where it gets around

904
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: like whoa, that's where Yeah, how could I put any Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Penny, exactly,

905
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: especially if you're I mean, you're not drafting a guy

906
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: to be your first and second down running back. You're

907
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: drafting a guy to fill a different role. So could

908
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: you better be able to block? If you if we

909
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: get all these picks you guys want, we might be

910
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 1: able to draft. Oh yeah, we trade back in the first,

911
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: add a third, Yeah, get a running back with that pick.

912
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: That's a great idea, exactly. That's what you guys got going.

913
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: We're gonna do that, all right, I'm in all right,

914
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: one more question, David play all right, um, all right,

915
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: well this one is pertinent to our interests. Brian Joseph

916
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: wants to know can Connor Williams do anything this week

917
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: at his pro day to boost his draft stock? I

918
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: feel like a very polarizing prospect in this year's draft.

919
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: Is he gonna play a two hundred ninety six pounds now?

920
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: He said he's playing waits three or five. Okay, so

921
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: when he measures in on Wednesday, it's going to be

922
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: three or five. I'd be surprised if it was under

923
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: three hundred. Yeah, so what are you here to see

924
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: what it is? Do you? He's he a tackler guard

925
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: for you? See he looks like a guard to me. Well,

926
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: you won't be a I mean you're not. I think

927
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: the the guys around the league. I feel like it's split.

928
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, some tackles guard. Did I kind of tell

929
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: you that a long time ago. I feel like I'm

930
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: right about something here. Every once in a while, I

931
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: tried to get you. I tried to get you to

932
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: play a guard. I thought. I tried to. Yeah, and

933
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: I information you gave me the Lamar Jackson because I don't.

934
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: I don't. I have some reservations there. But I get

935
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: why some people want to move in inside a car.

936
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: I get trust people you trust want to move in

937
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: to guard or these guys that you don't trust. No,

938
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: I mean guys that as a no. Some people sometimes

939
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: sometimes they know yeah, sometimes they're are not. Yeah exactly

940
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: cost Man, Uh but no, it's uh. Is he the

941
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 1: top guy you're gonna watch next two days? Yeah? Well,

942
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: Kirk at A and M I'm interested to see what

943
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: to do with what is the safety? Yeah, because I've

944
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 1: kind of hammered him as that I love your sometime

945
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: player a bit, and we gotta remember Puna wasn't. I

946
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: want to see you know who I like. I like

947
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 1: watching to see who works these guys out with teams,

948
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: with positions with teams. Yeah, what positional coach is there?

949
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: That's what That's what'll get me. And like our guys too,

950
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: like Holton Hill and those guys are working out. I'm

951
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 1: interested to see Malik because y'all, y'all wrote him off

952
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: in week one. Y'all are like, guess he's a guess

953
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: or he's not that good. The people in Austin will

954
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: tell you he's a guess or we'll see. We'll see

955
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: if people who make the decisions agree and that's their

956
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: in the third round. Yeah, yeah, we'll see. You could

957
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: do worse. My guess there, my guess. All right, guys,

958
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: thank you so much for Twitter on the twenty. Okay,

959
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: when we come back, we'll have some more discussions. Maybe

960
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Speaker 1: tell me Morris, we got John in Indonesia is calling. Wow, John,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the program. What's going on, sir? How are

1007
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Speaker 1: we doing? I wanted to ask a couple of questions.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, I'm doing right. It's the middle of the

1009
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 1: night over here. It's like a midnight anyway. I wanted

1010
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: to ask about Tyron Smith's back, okay, relative to Cameron Fleming,

1011
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 1: because it seems like maybe they're inducing him to come

1012
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: by basically paying him as a starting tackle, even if

1013
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: they really do mean for him to be a swing

1014
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: tackle who starts like seven games. You know, they're kind

1015
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: of like banking the fact that they may have to

1016
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: start him quite a lot um And they're basically saying

1017
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: like we want three starting tackles period. That's a fairy thing.

1018
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you guys about is uh is

1019
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: of the position groups like of guard, safety and linebacker?

1020
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: Which one is um kind of the most deep? Like

1021
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: who who's who's better? Who can we wait until the

1022
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: third round to draft? But it that way? Okay? And

1023
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: that's my question. All right, John, thank you so much

1024
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: for listening worldwide. Yeah, stay safe out there, man, love

1025
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: hearing that the UN's really irving. And yeah, that which

1026
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: is smart. It's la yes, smart. I don't doubt I

1027
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: don't doubt. No, man, we just got enough, got them

1028
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: all we do. We appreciate that, dope. All right, talk

1029
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: about that, Tyran. I like his story about that. That's

1030
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: a really good point, isn't like, I mean, we're not

1031
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that yet. We're not privy to these meetings. Uh,

1032
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: I mean I don't. I don't know what their pitch was.

1033
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: I saw Ian Rappaport saying that his deal is worth

1034
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: about three point five million, which is it's I mean

1035
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: they paid their pan lyle seven seven eight. Yeah, uh so,

1036
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: I mean it's not top of the line money by

1037
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 1: any stretch, but it's it's better than what they paid

1038
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: Byron Bell to do the same job. That was absolutely minimum.

1039
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: So they clearly wanted to invest. Um, you know all,

1040
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: you know, knock on wood, everybody's everybody's hopeful that uh

1041
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,439
Speaker 1: that Tyrone's gonna be fine. He's been part of Captain's workouts. Yeah,

1042
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: he seems like he's heard it rumor that he went

1043
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: to not rumor, but someone reliably reported me he was

1044
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: out in California, you know, working on stretching, yoga, I

1045
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: believe it, weight training, all that stuff. Then it kept

1046
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 1: him from having to get like back surgery. So we'll see.

1047
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: I mean, hopefully all that works out exactly. But good

1048
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: on them for if you want to call it an

1049
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 1: overpay or just if you want to call it smart

1050
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: spending on their part right to make sure they've got

1051
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,959
Speaker 1: a guy, which again all the more reason I would

1052
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: I would just prefer to have three really good tackles, yeah,

1053
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: and put somebody else at guard. But if they're if

1054
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: the best five is the way they want to go,

1055
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: there's nothing I can say to stop him. But I

1056
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: would prefer it the other way around. Deep position, give

1057
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: him somebody guard safety linebacker, right, I mean I don't

1058
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: think not a name. I mean, I don't think any

1059
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: of the three are really that deep, but maybe linebacker

1060
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: out of the three. Right. In terms of finding a

1061
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 1: potential starter, we mentioned Malik Jefferson. I think he's a

1062
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: guy you can get in the third. I like Fred

1063
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: Warner a lot from BYU Josie Jewel. I think he's

1064
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 1: more of a second but who knows. He's not the

1065
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, he might not be a fit for every

1066
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: defense because he's not an elite athlete. He could be

1067
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: available there. And then you've got some I mean Darius

1068
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: Leonard from South Carolina State, a player that Cowboys have

1069
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: shown a lot of interest in. Has his wartz, coming

1070
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 1: from a smaller school, but he's in that third round mix.

1071
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 1: He could be an option. So I think linebacker. You

1072
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: feel comfortable finding a guy? Yeah, and that kind of

1073
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: goes against everything we've been talking about going up for

1074
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: Roquan or in Desh at nineteen. Linebacker more so than

1075
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: guard or safety. I feel good about finding that starter

1076
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: second or third round. Yeah, I'm just going to get

1077
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: the best linebacker in the draft, maybe one of the best. Yeah, no,

1078
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: I do, but but that's yeah, No, he's right. I

1079
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: think that you're you know, he named off the guys

1080
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: like you said, you know, Jewel, I like Avery a

1081
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: little morning you. I know that Leonard was You're right

1082
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,720
Speaker 1: there with him with Griffin from Central I mean Central

1083
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: Flo that's kind of a third fourth round guy for

1084
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: some people. Warner from BYU Bellamy, I mean there's some

1085
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: guys there, so yeah, let's kind of keep an eye

1086
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: on that CINCHI I mean, I haven't I need to

1087
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: find out about the medical Yeah, yeah, yeah, I need.

1088
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: I need to ask. I need to ask about that one.

1089
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not the expert on y'all's level, but

1090
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: I mean I've watched. I've watched some tape. I've got

1091
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: some I just after Derwin James and maybe you Boyd

1092
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: Bates from Wake Forest, like Golden. I know y'all love Golden,

1093
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: but I love Golden, but I season Nickel. I mean

1094
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: I don't love him as much as a free Is

1095
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: there a safety in this draft? I think if you're

1096
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: not drafting a safety at nineteen or fifty or with

1097
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: a first or second round pick wherever that is, you're

1098
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: not getting a guy that's better than what's on the

1099
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: team right now. Like you're not getting a guy that's

1100
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: gonna beat out Xavier Woods baits that's yeah, like first,

1101
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 1: I mean in the second round, there might stay around.

1102
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: There might be three safeties that fit that bill. Otherwise,

1103
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: I'm just like, well, Cavan and Xavier Woods are just

1104
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: as good as Woods. Um tackles better. Yeah, I mean

1105
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: if you if you had told me I could have

1106
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 1: one or the other right now. And I loved and

1107
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: I loved Woods. We both yeah, we pushed for that.

1108
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna have a close close eye on Rashaan

1109
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: Galden in twenty eighteen because y'all are blowing this guy

1110
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: up like he's Marcus Willie. Watch him, all right, We'll

1111
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 1: see where he goes. I mean because obviously landing and fit,

1112
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: how how did the team use him? That'll be big

1113
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: for him because again I think some figure out this

1114
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: guy's a good football play. I'm gonna I'm like, I'm

1115
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 1: gonna take notes during the draft and like do a

1116
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 1: hypothetical like this would be Dane and Brian's draft pass.

1117
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm taking notes on the guys that you

1118
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 1: love and the guys that you had. I love our draft.

1119
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: I get the best part about the best part, but

1120
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: the you have to do this as an evaluators. You

1121
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: have to self evaluate and you know what you've got

1122
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: wrong in the past, what you did right, so you

1123
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: know where you need to get better. And self evaluating

1124
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: is almost more important than anything else you do. All right, Dave,

1125
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: have about a couple of tell me Morse if you would, yeah. Um,

1126
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: and I also know to promote our magazines and stuff

1127
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: like that for what okay, our own, our own people.

1128
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,919
Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys have confirmed that Cameron Fleming had signed. Okay,

1129
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: so very good. So Cameron Cameron Fleming and he's in

1130
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 1: details on the deal, uh, not from us, like I said,

1131
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: Rappaport said three point five length of the deal one

1132
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: oh just one year deal. Yeah, so actually Dane just

1133
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: touched on this guy, so um, I definitely want to

1134
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: get him in there. And I know we've talked about

1135
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: him before, but like you said, we've heard the name

1136
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: Darius Leonard linked to the Cowboys a decent amount. So

1137
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: I just want y'all to tell me more. Where can

1138
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 1: we get him? What can he do? All that good stuff?

1139
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: Third round probably right, and that's why I got him. Yeah,

1140
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: and I think that's realistically where you're going to get him.

1141
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 1: The same school as Joe Thomas Well and remember uh

1142
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: my boy, Javon Hargrave. Yeah, Javon Hargrave is back to

1143
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: back the MEAC Defensive Player of the Year when thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,

1144
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 1: and then this guy's teammate was the me ACT defensive

1145
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: Player of the Year or two thousand and sixteen and

1146
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: two and seventeen really productive. He had over one hundred

1147
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: tackles last two years. Uh, he looks the part you

1148
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: know he's got. He's that rangey frame. Sure, he's got

1149
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: range on the field. There are some times in space

1150
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 1: where he needs to be better breaking down, finishing tackles.

1151
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: I think he get better with his play strength. But

1152
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: a guy that competes, a guy has reliable football character,

1153
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be The Cowboys are not the

1154
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: only team that are gonna be in on him. So

1155
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: I don't even know if he lasts to eighty one,

1156
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: he could be gone by that point. He's a good player.

1157
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: I tell you, Dane's hit him just I mean, that's

1158
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,439
Speaker 1: exactly what I saw on the player, and I saw

1159
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: a finisher. That's the thing, man, you know, when you

1160
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: see this guy, I mean, there's some finish to his game.

1161
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: He's also got some pop he does his hands. I

1162
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 1: mean when he when he's running and he's hitting people,

1163
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: and then he's getting to the ball and finishing play.

1164
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: So Dan Dane is exactly right. Looking at my notes,

1165
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 1: I mean the part about the breaking down in space

1166
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: that was something that I had as well. I'm in

1167
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: the middle of my notes. Thank you very much, appreciate that.

1168
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: UM stick with that trend because I am interested. You know,

1169
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: linebackers that you can get after the obvious ones. So

1170
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: what about Arizona States DJ Calhoun? M hmm, not the

1171
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: not the best linebacker on that team. No? Uh was

1172
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: his name? Sam? Christian Christian Sam he was. I've heard

1173
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: he's a fourth rounder, fifth rounder round their early day three. Yeah,

1174
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: I wasn't his high on Calhoun. No, on Calhoun, I

1175
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: know only he's a draftful player myself. Boom. Yeah, Then

1176
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: tell me about Christian Sam Christians He's a local kid

1177
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: and Allen, maybe you're he's Christian Sam He's I was

1178
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: surprised how good he was when I watched him. He

1179
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: I didn't expect much, but he plays hard. Uh At.

1180
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: He's very strong at the point of attack. Physical. Uh

1181
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: It flows to the ball well, can see through blocks.

1182
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: I was pleasantly surprised at how physical player he was

1183
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: because and he's not the he's not the biggest guy,

1184
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: but he plays bigger than he looks. Yeah, I tell

1185
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: you what was impressed. I thought there was some quickness

1186
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: to his game. I thought he had to feel for

1187
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: where the ball was going, and he was kind of

1188
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: working that way. You can see him drop driving coverage.

1189
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: The problem is he'll jump around blocks though, and that,

1190
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: and then a yeah, and all of a sudden, it's

1191
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: like balls at me. He's jumping around a block and

1192
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: then next you know, he's in a bad position there.

1193
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what, though, on the goal line,

1194
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: he showed some physicality. There were some times where Arizona

1195
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: State is backed up and this guy is shooting gaps

1196
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: and being taken on blocks and all that stuff. You

1197
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: love the toughness about the kid. He is the mid

1198
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: round version of real Kuan Smith. Yeah, you know, like

1199
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: he's not tell me that. I'm saying, like take over

1200
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: six one h thirty seven. Yeah he's not, you know,

1201
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: but but he's not. He doesn't have that. He doesn't.

1202
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: He's got some quick but he doesn't have that where

1203
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: Smith is gone. I'm saying, obviously, he's not a first

1204
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: rounder for a reason. He's a fourth or fifth round

1205
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: for a reason. You said the name. But he's a

1206
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: mid round version of that. You said the name, and

1207
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna remember that for the rest of the draft. Process.

1208
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: All right, we got a show coming on Shannon and

1209
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: Nate Newton and those guys. Kurt Um so Cameron Fleming

1210
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: is is done down. Joe Looney is also back. So

1211
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: Joe Looney, there you go, showing up that showing up

1212
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: real quick. Before we get out of here, we got

1213
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: the Draft magazine is coming out Dallas Cowboys, the Star magazine,

1214
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: So make sure you check that out. That will be

1215
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: something that there we go. Nice job, Douglas. That's something

1216
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: that we're gonna be working on. It should be out

1217
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: here next week sometime. And then also Dane Brugo was

1218
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: talking about the reason he's so tired but it's coming

1219
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,919
Speaker 1: and fought through is because of the Beast. The Beast

1220
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Speaker 1: will be available next weekend next week, right Andy, wait Monday,

1221
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: a week from right now. Week from right now, we'll

1222
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: have the he'll tweet out the link and all that.

1223
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Speaker 1: We'll keep all that for you. So make sure again

1224
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: Star Magazine and the Beast and you will be set

1225
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: for the draft. So okay, for all my scouting buddies,

1226
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: Dan Buruglo, David Helmet, and for Douglas, thank you so

1227
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: much for joining us on the Draft show today. Stay

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00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: we'll be back with David and I've got pro Days.

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