1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: This is the Sean Hannity Show podcast. This is the 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Sean Hannity Show. And Uh, I'm Louis Gomert Lowly, Legislator, 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: Member of Congress from the first District of Texas, that's 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: East Texas, and I am thrilled to be with you again. 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: Uh in Sean's behalf. And Sean has such a great 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: munch folks that work with him, and it's a pleasure 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: to be here with them, working with them, and they 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: can almost make me sound professional. I won't say professional 9 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: what but gosh, there's so much news going on today 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: and there is so much misinformation and UH, as we speak, 11 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 1: the left is going nuts over this Russian hacking stuff. 12 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: Where has this been the last eight years that the 13 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: rest of us were concerned about Russia, China, Iran, North Korea? Uh, 14 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: those particularly, but many others hacking into our system, hacking 15 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: into our secrets, stealing UH, copyrights and protected patents, all 16 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: kinds of information. And this administration we just could not 17 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: get them worked up about it. And now that Hillary 18 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: Clinton has one, UH, they're hoping people will forget that 19 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: her losing may have had something to do with the 20 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: fact that she lied to Democrats and Republicans alike. I mean, 21 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,559 Speaker 1: she even lied to the families of the victims of Benghazi, 22 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: and bless her heart, I do think it's difficult, and 23 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: I sympathize. I can't, well like I empathize. They say, 24 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: you really can't sympathize unless you've actually been in someone's 25 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: shoes under similar situation. But I empathize with Hillary Clinton 26 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: because you know, all the lies she's told, it's just 27 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: created such pressure up there in her skull. It's gotta 28 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: be tough. But uh, some of those lives came out, 29 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: and you know, finding out that she got special treatment 30 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: in debates, that the mainstream or lamestream media gave her 31 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: special help that no Republican would ever get. Uh. And 32 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: then to find out the way they really cheated Bernie 33 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: Sanders and and he's such an affable guy, he just 34 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: kind of let her get away with it. But this 35 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: stuff started coming out, and uh, you know, Juliana Sans 36 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: Sean has has interviewed him a number of times. First 37 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: of all, you have to find that Julian A. Sans 38 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: totally lied when he said the information that they produced 39 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: on the Democrats emails did not come from Russia. It 40 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: did not and this administration now all all of a sudden. Uh, 41 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:08,839 Speaker 1: though it sounds a lot like in tone. Uh, it 42 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: was all about a video. It was all about a video. 43 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,399 Speaker 1: And you've got some of the same characters coming out 44 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: and talking about the rushing hacking the way they did 45 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: about being GHAZZI. Well, it was all about a video. 46 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, talking with my staff, a term 47 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 1: came to mind that reminded me, and I reminded some 48 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: of us um of a term. Perhaps you've heard gas lighting, uh, 49 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: And I've got most of you have heard the term 50 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: gas lighting. And I went to the Oxford Dictionary and 51 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: it says a type type of lamp. Of course it 52 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: goes on, but as a verb, it means to manipulate 53 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: someone by psychological means into doubting their own sanitize sanity. 54 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: For example, in the first episode, Karen Valentine is being 55 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: gas slighted by her husband and it goes on. But 56 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: the origination and I hesitate to give this because it's 57 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,279 Speaker 1: from Wikipedia, and that, in my opinion, they're only trustworthy 58 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: when they quote verbatim a trustworthy source because they're basically 59 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: run by a bunch of liberals. But they say etymology. Uh. 60 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: And for those in the fringe party, you know, the 61 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: Democratic Party, that means you know its origination. The term 62 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: originates in the systematic psychological manipulation by the main character 63 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: of a victim in the nineteen thirty eight stage plays 64 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: played Gaslight known as Angel Street in the United States, 65 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: and then there were the film adaptations released in nineteen 66 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: forty ninety and some of you may have seen it. 67 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: You may remember h Ingrid Bergmann was in. I think 68 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: that's the only one of those that I've seen. But 69 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,799 Speaker 1: in the story, a husband attempts to convince his wife 70 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: and others she's insane by manipulating small elements of their 71 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: environment and insisting she's mistaken, she's remembering things incorrectly, or 72 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: she's delusional when she points out the changes. And the 73 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: original title comes from the dimming of gaslights in the 74 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: house that happened when the husband was using the gaslights 75 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: in the attic while searching for hidden treasure. The wife 76 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: accurately notices the dimming lights and discusses the phenomenon, but 77 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: the husband and says, she's just imagined the changing the 78 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: level of illumination. So that's what this administration does. Their 79 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: gaslighting America constantly. They're over and over. You know, if 80 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: a policeman did the right thing, that Obama comes out 81 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: and said, well, we know he actually stupidly Well, no, 82 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: miss President. Seems like every time you come out and 83 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: make a stand, um, it's not exactly what happened. And 84 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: that gets tough. You know. Abraham Lincoln pointed out, if 85 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: you don't tell the truth, it's really hard to remember 86 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: what you said each time. But they're really coming after 87 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: Russia now. And and never mind that, I know Sean 88 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: has mentioned this numerous time, he's played it and Jason 89 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: got that on them, but on on tape of Obama 90 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: not realizing the microphone was on and saying, you know, 91 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: tell Vladimir I'll have a lot more flexibility effort. You're amazing. 92 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: I didn't. I just mentioned that. Holy cow, it goes up. 93 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: That's amazing. But yeah, that's Obama. I couldn't believe the 94 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: American people would re elect the guy after he was saying, 95 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: in effect, I'll be able to sell America out after 96 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: the next election. But they did. And now they keep 97 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,679 Speaker 1: talking about this Russian hacking. Yeah, they've been hacking. China 98 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: has been hacking and this administration. How do they respond, Well, 99 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: it's kind of like Iran wanting a nuclear weapon. This 100 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:55,799 Speaker 1: administration responds by helping them out. So when uh, you know, Russia, China, Iran, 101 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: North Korea, they've been hacking. So what does Obama do? 102 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: He just sides, let's give a huge amount of control 103 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: that the United States havoc has exclusively over the Internet. 104 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: Let's give it to uh, the world, because you know, 105 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: the world so much more trustworthy than the United States. 106 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: It was a huge error. And I'm telling you Donald 107 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: Trump is gonna have his hands full because there is 108 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: so much damage that has been caused by this administration 109 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be a mess cleaning it up. And 110 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: then we had the news, uh, the Spanish military report 111 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: this from judicial Watch. Uh, Islamic terrorists are operating, operate 112 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: and raise cash in Latin America to attack the United States. 113 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: And a great story there from judicial Watch. What what 114 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: if they come after US? Uh? Conservatives on well for 115 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: one thing, Uh, I know, even comedians, Democratic comedians, so 116 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: many have been making light back. When I quoted the 117 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: FBI director Muller, he testified before Congress that we had 118 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: people from the Middle East suspected radicals who had changed 119 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: their names to Expanic sounding names and were trying to 120 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: blend in with Hispanics coming in across our southern border. 121 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: Boy was out vilified for that. They never bothered to 122 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: mention on CNN any of these other places, Huffington, whatever 123 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: it is. Um, they never bothered to mention I was 124 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: quoting the FBI director, but jokes all kinds of things 125 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: they have been. The FBI director said that, and uh, 126 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: the Democratic hero who did everything he could to save Hillary. Yeah, 127 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: they wanted to try to blame him now, but the 128 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: fact is you had FBI agents that knew that there 129 00:08:54,800 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: was gold evidence in whom abodon and h ween Anthony's 130 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: um computer and and winers a little backwards, but anyway, Um, 131 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: So Comey had a choice. He could either squelch it, 132 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: or he could get ahead of it and say they 133 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: were looking into it so the FBI agents didn't get 134 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: out there and leak it themselves and destroy Hillary Clinton 135 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: for sure. Or he could say they're looking into it, 136 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: then they don't leak it, and then he could come 137 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: out the day before the election or two days before 138 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: the elections say there's nothing to it. He was doing 139 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: everything he could to help Hillary, and it almost worked. 140 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 1: Thank god it didn't. And when we talk about, uh, 141 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: radical Islamis, people from Islamic countries that have come in 142 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: on visas. I talked about this six years ago because 143 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: I had great information from a reliable source and I 144 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: had names, but I couldn't give them, and I promised 145 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: that I wouldn't give them because it might of identified 146 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: who gave me the information. But of Islamist radical Islamist 147 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: leaders sent their wives over to have kids here. And 148 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: I've never said a baby as a terrorist. That's ridiculous. 149 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: That's what the left does to try to vilify people. 150 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: But uh, the truth was they would come over on visas, 151 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 1: have the child, take them back with the American passport, 152 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: and people like Anderson Cooper all these other nitwits were saying, yeah, 153 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: I give us privn And they still have not reported 154 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: that this stuff has really been going on. And what 155 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: happened to Alawaukee, the first American citizen who was so 156 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: dangerous that this administration had to take him out with 157 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: a drone strike. Well, Alawaukee, why was he American citizen? Well, 158 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: his parents came over um on visas. He was born 159 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: here and then they went back to Yemen and taught 160 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: him to hate America and then he radicalized and helped 161 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 1: kill Americans and radicalize others. Maybe, uh, the cause of 162 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 1: death to Americans in the future. And what about Ala Moodie, 163 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: who is he helped Clinton and early on helped Bush 164 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: find good Muslims to work in their administration and in 165 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: the military and in our prisons where now we know 166 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: that prisoners are being radicalized. Well, Ala Moodi is doing 167 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 1: twenty three years in prison before his support for terrorism 168 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: and uh why is that? Well, um, he was helping 169 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 1: support terrorism. And as I understand, I'd heard that m 170 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: I six that gave him the information to pick him 171 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: up at Dallas Airport. But uh oh yes, Ala Moodie 172 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: had his wife Barra child here in America. So he 173 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: has uh an American citizen child. And what about Muslim 174 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: brother Morsey in prison? Uh, he was consorting to bring 175 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: down the constitution. He was dismantling it. And uh oh 176 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: yes he said his wife over to have a baby 177 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: and uh. Anyway, so it's been going on. But you've 178 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: got the Left that all want to do this gas 179 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 1: lighting and make us think we're crazy folks. Were not crazy. 180 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: But thank god Donald Trump will be president and we've 181 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: got a chance to correct some of this stuff. We 182 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: have got to stop birthright citizenship. That's uh what people 183 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,599 Speaker 1: say as under the fourteenth Amendment. It's uh. The fourteenth 184 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: Amendment uh does discuss it. It says all persons born 185 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: are naturalizing the United States and subject to the jurisdiction 186 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: they're off our citizens of the United States and the 187 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: states wherein they reside. But uh, you know, representative being them, 188 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: uh and other proponents, they were anticipating that that did 189 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: not apply to people who were foreigners who were here 190 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: or what legally or illegally, diplomats were here. It didn't 191 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: apply to them because they uh one of them said, 192 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: oh it was Senator Trumbull made clear that if they 193 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: if they are from another country, if they have allegiance 194 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: to another country, then their children, no, no matter how 195 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: many are born here, they're still not American citizens. So 196 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: we got to get that fixed with legislation, and hopefully 197 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: President Trump will clean that up. And I'm excited. I 198 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: was looking at numbers on the Ninth Circuit. They have 199 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: so many more cases than any any other circuit, and uh, 200 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,719 Speaker 1: you know, they've got about to take the first four 201 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: or five circuits they've got is about the same number 202 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: of cases. What we need a new circuit and I'm 203 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: going to be pushing for that. How wouldn't it be 204 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: great to have Donald Trump appoint an entire Circuit Court judges? 205 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: And uh, I wouldn't mind. And it's totally up to 206 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: Congress under the Constitution what jurisdiction they have or if 207 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: they even exist. But how about if we restrict the 208 00:13:55,440 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: Ninth Circuits jurisdiction to controversies, right, I sing in their building, 209 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: and then give the new one um the authority over 210 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: all other controversies. Boy, that would be a go to circuit, 211 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't it. So there's room for a lots of good things. 212 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna be taking your calls and uh, this is 213 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: Louis Gohmer sitting in for Sean Hannity, and I'm excited 214 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: about the year to come, and you come on back. 215 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: We've got guests, We've got your calls, and you are 216 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: going to enjoy the show, not as much as Sean 217 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: being here, but the ladies and gentlemen, we're going out 218 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: this year with hope and we're not going to be 219 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: left with. What's what we were left with when Obama 220 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: got took over as present, That was, we had hard 221 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: cash and it became just a few cents of change. 222 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: He got the hope and we had the change. Um, 223 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: we've got a caller here. Let me take that caller 224 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: right quick. Oh, I'm sorry, all right, Yes, Lauren was 225 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: telling me give out the number. The numbers eight nine 226 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: four one sean eight hundred nine four one seven three 227 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: to six. Throughout his administration, President Obama has been deeply 228 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: committed to Israel and its security. That commitment has guided 229 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: his pursuit of peace in the Middle East. This is 230 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: an issue which all of you know I have worked 231 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: on intensively during my time as Secretary of State for 232 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: one simple reason, because the Two States solution is the 233 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: only way to achieve a just and lasting peace between 234 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: Israelis and Palestinians. It is the only way to ensure 235 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: Israel's future as a Jewish and democratic state living in 236 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: peace and security with its neighbors. It is the only 237 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: way to ensure a future freedom and dignity for the 238 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: Palestinian people, and it is an important way of advancing 239 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: United States interests in the region. The Two States solution 240 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: is now in serious jeopardy. The truth is that trends 241 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: on the ground violence, terrorism, incitement, settlement, expansion, and the 242 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: seemingly endless occupation they are combining to destroy hopes for 243 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: peace on both sides and increasingly cementing an irreversible one 244 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: state reality that most people do not actually want. Today, 245 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: there are a number there are a similar number of 246 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: Jews and Palestinians living between the Jordan River and the 247 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: Mediterranean Sea. They have a choice. They can choose to 248 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: live together in one state, or they can separate into 249 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: two states. But here is a fundamental reality. If the 250 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: choice is one state, Israel can either be Jewish or democratic. 251 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: It cannot be both, and it won't ever really be 252 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:53,479 Speaker 1: at peace. But now I must express my deep disappointment 253 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: with the speech today of John Kerry, a speech that 254 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: was almost as unbalanced as the anti Israel resolution passed 255 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: at the u N last week. In a speech ostensibly 256 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: about peace between Israelis and Palestinians, Secretary carry paid lip 257 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: service to the unremitting campaign of terrorism that has been 258 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: waged by the Palestinians against the Jewish state for nearly 259 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: a century. What he did was to spend most of 260 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: his speech blaming Israel for the lack of peace by 261 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: passionately condemning a policy of enabling Jews to live in 262 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: their historic homeland and in their eternal capital, Jerusalem. Hundreds 263 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: of suicide bombings, thousands, tens of thousands of rockets, millions 264 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: of Israelis, and bomb shelters are not throwaway lines in 265 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: a speech. They're the realities that the people of Israel 266 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: had to endure because of mistaken policies, policies that at 267 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: the time won the thunderous applause of the world. I 268 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 1: don't seek applause. I seek the security and peace, and 269 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: prosperity and the future of the Jewish state. The Jewish 270 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: people have sought their place under the sun for three 271 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: thousand years, and we're not about to be swayed by 272 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: mistaken policies that have caused great, great damage. Secretary Kerry 273 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: said that the United States cannot vote against its own policy, 274 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: but that's exactly what it did at the U N 275 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: And that's why Israel opposed last week's Security Council resolution 276 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: because it effectively calls the Western Wall occupied Palestinian territory. 277 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 1: Because it encourages boycotts and sanctions against Israel. That's what 278 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: it effectively does. And because it reflects a radical shift 279 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: in US policy towards the Palestinians on final status issues, 280 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: those issues that we always agreed the U. S and 281 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: Israel have to be negotiated directly, face to face, without preconditions. 282 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: That shift happened despite the Palestinians walking away from peace 283 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: and from peace offers time and time again, despite their 284 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: refusal to even negotiate peace for the past eight years, 285 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: and despite the Palestinian authority inculcating a culture of hatred 286 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: towards Israel in an entire generation of young Palestinians. Well, 287 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: this is the Sean Hannity Show. I'm Louis Gohmer, Congressman 288 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: from East Texas. And uh you heard from our Secretary 289 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: of State. What an embarrassment? And uh from uh just 290 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: a great individual, and uh Prime Minister Benjamin neton Yahoo 291 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: and uh if you if you've ever wondered g Obama 292 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: carry all these leftists that are are condemning Israel for 293 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,719 Speaker 1: not giving up their country, part of their country, actually 294 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: part that was the promised land. If you believe the 295 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: Bible was promised by God. And the Red Sea parted 296 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: so they could head their on their way. But uh 297 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: are they really being fair about this? The answer is, uh, Well, 298 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: if uh these same type folks and the people that 299 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: support these folks, if they demanded that Jordan's uh give 300 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 1: up that same land when it controlled the land and 301 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 1: give it to the Palestinians. Uh. And his new Gingrich 302 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: has said, that's a new term relatively came about just 303 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: in the last fifty years. Uh. Nobody made that demand 304 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: of Jordan's which gives you a good indication these people 305 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: really hate the children of Israel and they are out 306 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: to undermine it. Once you go to Israel and you 307 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: go to the Golon Heights, you go to the West Bank, 308 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: you see clearly that if they gave that important part 309 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: of Judea Samaria up, that was the promised land. Uh. 310 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: If they give that up, then basically it makes Israel 311 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: indefensible under conventional methods. But my friend Joel Rosenberg writes 312 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: great books. Uh. He likes to point to Joel three 313 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: book in the Old Testament says for behold in those 314 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: days and at that time when I was tour the 315 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: fortunes of jude and Jerusalem. Uh, that's after he brought 316 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: all people back to the Promised Land, which has happened. Uh. 317 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: He says, I will gather all the nations. This is 318 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: God speaking through Joel. If you believe as I do, 319 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: and our next guest does, I will gather all the nations, 320 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: bring them down to the Valley of Josaphat. Then I 321 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: will enter into judgment with there on behalf of my 322 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: people and my inheritance Israel, whom they have scattered among 323 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: the nations, and they divided up my land. So that's 324 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: why Joel rosy Merg says, you don't want to be 325 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: one of those nations that was pushing to divide Israel. 326 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: It isn't gonna go well for you. And my next guest, 327 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 1: you've seen him on Fox, but he is just a 328 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 1: great friend. He grew up with my wife Cathy, and 329 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: First Baptist Church of Dallas, Texas, and lo and behold 330 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: great thing. He's pastor there, Robert, Dr Robert Jeffries and 331 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: Robert Welcome to the Sean Hannity Show. Or great to 332 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: be with you, Louis, thanks for having me. Well, Kathy, 333 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: my wife knew you were brilliant in high school and 334 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: you were so such a powerful part of the youth group. 335 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: But I want to talk to you when you hear 336 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: people talking of the land that some call Palestine. Uh, 337 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: the Latesraeli Prime Minister David Ben Gurion said, bluntly, God 338 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: gave it to us, and somebody Natah who told me 339 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: this when I had mentioned to him several years ago. Look, 340 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: you can go back to the very inception of Israel. 341 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: There's never been a time in Israel's history, going back 342 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: to the beginning, when Israel has given away land trying 343 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: to buy peace, that that land was not used as 344 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: a staging area from which to attack it. And and 345 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: then he looked at me a long time. He said, 346 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: that's a problem, isn't it. And it is. But Robert, 347 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: you know the Bible so well, does the Bible say 348 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: anything to about today's land dispute between the Israelis and 349 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: the Palestinians and what role should religion play in this conflict? Well, 350 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: it has a great deal to say about it. And 351 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: let me just say, bluntly, Louis John Kerry and Barack 352 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: Obama are not only on the wrong side of the history, 353 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: they're on the wrong side of God on this issue. 354 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 1: That's not a good place to be. It's not a 355 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: good place in America doesn't want to be in that place. 356 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: Look in Genesis twelve and thirteen, and then in fifteen, 357 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: God outlined the geography of the land he was giving 358 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: to his people. And the land that has described there 359 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: includes what we call today the West Bank, Gaza, the 360 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: Golan Heights. All of that was a part of God's 361 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 1: gift to his people, and he said you will live 362 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: there forever. Now I realize we have people who don't 363 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: believe that the Bible's the inspired word of God. But 364 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: at least it provides a history, if nothing else, and 365 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: that's why prime ministers have appealed to it. It shows 366 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: that Israel has been in that land. It's been there 367 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: for more than thirty five hundred years. That is, the 368 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: Palestinians had no claim. They have tried to create this 369 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: imaginary linkage to the Philistines who were there before Abraham. 370 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: That is ludicrous. That violates Muslim theology that says that 371 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: the Muslims are are are in the lineage of Abraham 372 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: and Ishmael. They don't have any linkage to uh the Philistines. 373 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: They are not the ones who belong in that land. 374 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: It is Israel and it's always been there. Well, what 375 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: about you know the history? What about the Canaanites, the 376 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: ones that were displaced? Uh? Is there are there any 377 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: descendants of the Canes today? You can't find a Canaanite anywhere. 378 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: You can't find a Philistine anywhere. They have descendants. No, 379 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: there are only two lines that remain. You have the 380 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: descendants of Abraham and Ishmael. And by the way, in 381 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: Genesis sixteen, God said to Ishmael and his descendants that 382 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: they would have a great land to the east of Israel. 383 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: And God blessed the Arabs with oil rich land. But 384 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: in Genesis seventeen he said, this land is reserved for Abraham, 385 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: Isaac and their descendants. And I want to say something else, 386 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: Louis you quoted Joel chapter three. Joel Chapter two says 387 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: in verses two to three that God will judge any 388 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: nation that quotes divides the land that God gave to Israel. 389 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: And that is why it is a scary thing to 390 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: listen to Barack Obama and John Kerry. The good news 391 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: is we have a new president coming, Donald J. Trump, 392 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: who is determined to be on the right side of history. 393 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: And of God on this issue. Dr Robert Jeffers, pastor 394 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: of First Baptist Church. Uh, Robert, you were with Trump 395 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 1: from the very beginning, not as a formal endorsement, but 396 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: you know Israel so well, and I'm intrigued after most 397 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: Americans have never been there, but I was so intrigued 398 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: the times I've been there was down in Hebron, which 399 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: is considered Oh that's that's supposed to be Palestinian land. 400 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: And I'm standing there at the tomb of David's king, 401 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: David's father. Uh. And uh, you know David ruled over 402 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: Israel from Hebron, as you know, for seven years before 403 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: he went up to Jerusalem. And uh, you know that 404 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: was about let's say ten twenty uh maybe ten twelve BC. 405 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: And uh, then he goes to Jerusalem, but we know 406 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: wasn't about six twenty a d that. Uh. And this 407 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: is in dispute. Some say Mohammed actually overnight was on 408 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: a wing donkey and went to Jerusalem. Some say it 409 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 1: was just a vision, a dream he had. But whether 410 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: it was a dream or a vision, or he actually 411 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: was on the wing donkey that flew to Jerusalem, that's 412 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 1: the only tie that Uh, any type that uh Mohammed 413 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: himself had with Jerusalem. And even if you suspect that 414 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: he actually did fly overnight on that donkey in land 415 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: in Jerusalem. Uh that came um sixteen hundred years after 416 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: King David was ruling over Israel. There is no prior 417 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: claim by the Palestinians to that land. Absolutely no prior claiming. 418 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: But tell us about some of the places, the cities 419 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: that we know we've heard in the Bible reading the Bible, 420 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: that are considered part of the West Bank these days, 421 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: Well exactly, I mean you've got Bethel, You've got Bethley, Him, 422 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: you have uh Debrin, as you mentioned, uh Anataut, uh Jericho. 423 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,239 Speaker 1: All of these are in what is considered to be 424 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: the West Bank today, but they were always a part 425 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: of Israel. And you know you talked about a trip 426 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: to Israel, Louis of the last time I was there, 427 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: I had an Israeli military officials say to me, he said, 428 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: you know, you people in the United States talk about 429 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: how we need to divide up Jerusalem. Suppose that the 430 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: French were to say to you, you Americans, we've deliberated 431 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: over here in France, and we believe that you ought 432 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: to divide up your capital, Washington, d C. And give 433 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: some of it to Isis terrorists. I mean, they promised 434 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: to act nice. If you'll just give them some of 435 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 1: the land, that would be absolutely ludicrous. Why should we 436 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: be listening to the French and have people here who 437 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: would try to destroy it Palestinians. These Palestinians don't only 438 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: deny Israel's right to the land, they deny Israel's right 439 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: to even exist. Yeah, you were saying, given part of 440 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: Washington di isis if they act nice. But uh, the 441 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: Palestinians have amis. They're not going to act nice. Well, look, 442 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: we just got ten seconds. What parting words of wisdom 443 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: can you leave Dr Robert Jeffers with our listeners. Well, 444 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: I mean, the good news is we've got somebody who's 445 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: going to be on the right side of history on this. 446 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: And the important thing is not that his God is 447 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: on our side. The important thing is that we be 448 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: on God's side, and God is always with Israel. Well, 449 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: and that's what Abraham Lincoln said. Thanks so much, Dr 450 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: Robert Jeffers, good friend, great American. We'll be right back 451 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: with more of the Sean Hannity Show. I'm Louis. This 452 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: is the Shawn Hannity Show. This is Louis Golmer sitting 453 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: in for him. UH, member of Congress, but just uh 454 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: proud to be here sitting in for Sean. UH. A 455 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: little information about Afghanistan you need to know, um, President Obama. 456 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: When he was Senator Obama and getting elected, he was 457 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: talking about how important it was that we win that 458 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: critical fight. Well under Commander in Chief Bush, there were 459 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: five hundred seventy five precious American lives lost in that uh, 460 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: the most tumultuous fighting of the Afghan War. UH. Since 461 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: then it has been more of a policing type action. 462 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: But the rules of engagement of this administration and the 463 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: fear that this administration has provoked in our military that 464 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: they will be prosecuted if they defend themselves have gotten 465 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,719 Speaker 1: Americans killed. UM. You know, Marcus Latrell talked about it 466 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: in his book Alone Survivor, that they were on the 467 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: mountain and they said, g we'll go. They'll try to 468 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: send us to prison if we protect ourselves. So three 469 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: out of the four died, well, five seventy five pression 470 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: American lives lost under Commander Chief Bush. Under Commander in 471 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: Chief Obama. Uh, you have nineteen hundred and six basically 472 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: four times more Americans have been lost in the minor 473 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: policing action then we're lost in the actual war during 474 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: President Bush's time. Why, it's all about the rules of engagement. 475 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: And Uh, I'm so pleased that are coming. Our president 476 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: is going to be coming in January. Understands that, and 477 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: he understands the importance of the role of the rules 478 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: of engagement. He's listening to the right people. In the meantime. 479 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: We have two people as our guests at this point, 480 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: and uh, it was my honor to meet Renee Myers. 481 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: She's the mother of Sergeant Derek Miller. Uh and also 482 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: the attorney for Derek Miller is named Kobe Vokey and 483 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: he he was sentenced to life in prison for murderer 484 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: while serving in Afghanistan. And as Derek Miller's Facebook group 485 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: points out, Free Derek Miller Facebook um. During a combat 486 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: mission in the Hostel area of Afghanistan in September, Sergeant 487 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: Derek Miller's attention was drawn to an Afghan national who 488 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: had penetrated the defense perimeter set up by the U. 489 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: S Army. The Afghan man was positively identified by another 490 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: soldier under Sergeant Miller's command, who recognized him from a 491 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: detainment the previous day. The man in question was the 492 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: driver of a truck reported by military intelligence as transporting 493 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: members of the opposition to a nearby combat firefight. U 494 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: S military intelligence let the truck pass, so Sergeant Miller 495 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: was sent to question the Afghan national after observing this 496 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: suspicious behavior of this man and as he was reconnoitering 497 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: and I love that word when I was in the army. Yeah, 498 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: we were reconnoitering, but just basically doing reconnaissance of their 499 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: defense perimeter. Well, I mean that should get everybody's attention. 500 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: This is somebody to watch. Well, it appeared the men 501 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: was gathering information, and since he was already identified as 502 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: an enemy combatants, Sergeant Miller was acting instinctively to protect 503 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: his unit by detaining him. During the harsh questioning, the 504 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: Afghan and surgeon attempted to grab Sergeant Miller's weapon and 505 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: was shot and killed in the struggle, And Miller was 506 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: convicted of murder. Why because the commander in chief oneted him. 507 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: Convicted of murder? Uh? Well, Sergeant Miller believes despite his 508 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: conviction and life sentence in prison for this uh, the 509 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: death of this Afghanan surgeon. He was acting solely in 510 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: self defense and using sound judgment. I was in the army, 511 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: I participated in courts martial, and I can tell you 512 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: there are times people get convicted in the military because 513 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: it's not like uh selecting juries in the civilian sector. UH. 514 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: The commanding officer selects. He hand picks the people he 515 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,879 Speaker 1: wants to be on the panel. And the only way 516 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: you can get them off is if you uh can 517 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: find a reason for cause. And I have actually asked 518 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,240 Speaker 1: and representing someone in the military one time, I asked 519 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: colonel uh uh, Sir, do you have any feelings about 520 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: the defendant charge here? He said, well, he's got to 521 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 1: be guilty. I know the commanding officer and he's got 522 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: to be guilty or are the commanding general would never 523 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: have sent him here for a court martial. I know 524 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: that much. And then the judge intervened and said, Sir, 525 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: we're both in this man's army and if I order 526 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: you or or give you instructions that you're not too 527 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: feel that way or take that into consideration as a 528 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: member of the jury, you would follow my orders, wouldn't you. 529 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: Oh well, yeah, judge, I didn't know you were gonna 530 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: arguit me. Sure, sure, I want to hold that against 531 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: him at all. And and and anyway, you know that 532 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: the jury is pretty much against your client. If the 533 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 1: last one into the jury room never lets gore go 534 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: of the door knob before they turn around and come 535 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: back into the jury box to pronounce guilt, now that 536 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: is a hostile jury. Well, Derek Miller is convicted. But 537 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: I'm honored, very honored to have his mother on the 538 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: phone with me. Welcome to the Sean Hannity Show. Uh, 539 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: thanks for being on with us. Thank you movie. I 540 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: am so um, I'm so appreciative of the opportunity to 541 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: talk to you again and and tell people about what's 542 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: happening to Derek. Thank you for having me well, and 543 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: and so we don't run out of time and we 544 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,839 Speaker 1: forget to get this in. Uh, you have a postcard 545 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: campaign to try to ask President Obama. But perhaps uh 546 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: we can do this with President Trump when he comes in. 547 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: But the campaign says, send a postcard to President Obama 548 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania Avenue, Northwest Washington, d C. To zero five zero zero, 549 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,760 Speaker 1: asking him to commute Derek sentence, and that only sounds 550 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 1: fair and reasonable to me. Um, so let's get that 551 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 1: plug in anything else on that that you would ask 552 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: people to do, so we don't miss doing this at 553 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: the end. Thank you very much for that yet. Um. 554 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: The postcard campaign is in tandem with a Combat Clemency 555 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:02,240 Speaker 1: Project packet that has already been some it's to President Obama. Um, 556 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: we're just waiting for word right now on whether or 557 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 1: not as a partying gesture, he's going to do something 558 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: to help there, not just there, but other soldiers who 559 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: are in the same predicament as Derek. But you know, 560 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 1: I'm only I can only fight for my baby. But um, 561 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,760 Speaker 1: you know, use worth asking folks to uh to call 562 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: and write their congressmen and let them know to weigh 563 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 1: in on this subject, because you know, if the war 564 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: is winding down for the getmult detainees, and it's winding 565 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 1: down for our guys to they need to have the 566 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: same level of mercy shown to them. Well, but this, 567 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: this doesn't seem to me to as a matter of mercy. 568 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: This is a matter of justice. I mean, for Heaven's sake, 569 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: to hold soldiers to this level of accountability when they're 570 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: trying to protect themselves and there are other soldiers. I mean, 571 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard. I know you know 572 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: that under President Obama there have been four times more 573 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: military killed than were under President Bush. And that's only 574 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: going through May. So that's really seven and a quarter 575 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: years compared to seven and a quarter years. And uh, 576 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: the real war was supposed to have been under President 577 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: Bush and under this President Scott and keep people killed. 578 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: So I am grateful that your son did not get killed, 579 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: but when somebody is doing reconnaissance of our defense perimeters, 580 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: it is absolutely outrageous, uh, to to say you can't 581 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 1: defend yourself and your men. Now. Uh, we have Sergeant 582 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:45,399 Speaker 1: Derek Miller's attorney on with his mom, Renee. Uh, Mr 583 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: Broky or you on. I'm here, Welcome to Sean Hannity show. Uh, 584 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: tell us, uh what you want people to do, and 585 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: then explain why we need to get this man out. Well, 586 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 1: and I'll echo what Renee said, which is right your 587 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 1: congressman write the postcard to the president. Um, because what 588 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 1: we've asked for is we we've we've had this project 589 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 1: that we in conjunction with the University of Chicago Law School, 590 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 1: the Combat Clemency Project, and and we sent in UM 591 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: seven pardon or clemency applications for soldiers who have been 592 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: convicted of war crimes. And I am handled. I can't 593 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: probably more kinds of these cases than anybody in the country. UM. 594 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: And here in Derek's cases, probably one of those heartbreaking. UM. 595 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: Derek was not only was he doing what he should 596 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 1: have been doing as a soldier, and he questions exactly 597 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 1: what he should be questioning. But it appears from the 598 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,799 Speaker 1: facts of what happened after Derek shot this Afghan detainee, 599 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,800 Speaker 1: this this insurgent spy, that he was absolutely right because 600 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 1: there was a coordinated attack on in their position that 601 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 1: very evening, and that Afghan man that he had shot, 602 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 1: that he was interrogating, had been going through their position 603 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 1: a number of times, bringing Afghan soldiers in there. And 604 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 1: you know what what Derek did, not only was he 605 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 1: right in being suspicious because of the lies that this 606 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 1: detainee was telling, but he was absolutely right that he 607 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: was doing a recond of their own position and it 608 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: led to them getting attacked that night. And Derek's action 609 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 1: not only should he not have been convicted, UH, it 610 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 1: was his saved countless number of soldiers lives from so 611 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 1: they were ready for that attack that evening because of 612 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: what Derek had done. Well, you know, it's interesting, Uh. 613 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: We know that the president tries to send uh someone 614 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: if he didn't go himself or his wife to the 615 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: funerals of people that uh have been killed by police 616 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:04,359 Speaker 1: and that uh and and sometimes when it's rather questionable 617 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 1: the conduct of the deceased themselves. But to my knowledge 618 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:14,839 Speaker 1: that there's not never you don't get people that are 619 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,400 Speaker 1: in the service of these um nearly two thousand people 620 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 1: that have been killed uh under the command of Commander 621 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 1: Obama doesn't seem like they're nearly as concerned. And it 622 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,719 Speaker 1: makes you wonder would he have cared if people in 623 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,399 Speaker 1: Derek's under his command had been killed by this guy 624 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,320 Speaker 1: that was doing recon of their perimeter, that was known 625 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: and seen to be part of a opposition group and 626 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 1: had been entertainment the day before. I mean, I don't know. 627 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 1: I'd like to think the commander in chief cares that much. 628 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 1: And I've seen Commander in Chief Bush with tears over 629 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,320 Speaker 1: such losses because he knew they were lost under his command. 630 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:08,399 Speaker 1: I just haven't gotten that idea from this president and 631 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 1: you go back to the Asam have been laden raid 632 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,880 Speaker 1: and it still staggers me. Uh to hear the video 633 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 1: of the guy that has bought the president's body man 634 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,479 Speaker 1: who was with him when Assam have been laden those 635 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,360 Speaker 1: seals were going in. I could not have moved my 636 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 1: eyes off of that screen. But when he was asking 637 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 1: California and speaking out there to a group, what was 638 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 1: it like to be in the situation room watching that 639 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 1: the seals go after some have been lightened? He said, Oh, 640 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 1: we just stuck our head in the president and when 641 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: watched that, we went to the next room and played 642 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, eighteen nineteen hens of of cards. I 643 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: can't imagine that kind of feeling by a president not 644 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,319 Speaker 1: to be concerned about our own people. But hopefully if 645 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 1: this president doesn't act, we can motivate the next president 646 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 1: to do the right thing. By Sergeant Derek Miller. Look, 647 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 1: I was in the Army for four years and the 648 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 1: United States was never in combat during those four years. 649 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 1: But it's an honor any time I can fight for 650 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 1: those who have fought for us, and that's what Sergeant 651 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 1: Derek Miller has done and his attorney Kobe Vokey, thank 652 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 1: you for being on Shawn's show. And that's v as 653 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 1: in Victor O k e Y and Renee. I know 654 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 1: you struggle just and have such a heavy heart. So 655 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,319 Speaker 1: we want our thoughts and prayers to be with both 656 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,799 Speaker 1: you your family and with Derek Um we had. We 657 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,720 Speaker 1: owe him and so many others like him so much. 658 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 1: But God bless you, and get those cards into the President. 659 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,319 Speaker 1: If this one doesn't commute the sentence, the next one 660 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,600 Speaker 1: needs to. God bless you. This is the Sean Hannity Show. 661 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,359 Speaker 1: Is all gonna happen again and again and again. As 662 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 1: long as we're just playing defense. Uh, it's as if 663 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,279 Speaker 1: we're in a big, really important hockey game and we 664 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,720 Speaker 1: had to play our entire team as as goalies. Uh, 665 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna lose. Uh. We can try to catch people 666 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 1: after the fact, we can try to buy vetting, uh 667 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,279 Speaker 1: screen people out. But if we keep going the way 668 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,239 Speaker 1: we're going, we're gonna have continual um terrorist attacks of 669 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:30,040 Speaker 1: major proportion. It's very hard to find out which guy 670 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 1: driving a truck is going to be a terrorist. Trucks 671 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,360 Speaker 1: are all over the place. It's not as if he 672 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 1: has some secret weapon that we can spot or something. 673 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 1: This is the Shawan Hannity Show. And you were listening 674 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 1: to the voice of former CI director and senior advisor 675 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 1: to Donald Trump on national security issues, and that is 676 00:44:54,440 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 1: Admiral Wolvesey. Um. I tell you, Admiral Wolvesey gave me 677 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,960 Speaker 1: a lot of comfort. Back, I was supporting Ted Cruz, 678 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,760 Speaker 1: but I was looking at the people that Donald Trump 679 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,719 Speaker 1: was listening to, and it gave me a lot of comfort, uh, 680 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 1: knowing what I do about Admiral Jim Woolsey, and I thought, wow, 681 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 1: well he sure listening to the right people. And uh, 682 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 1: this is Louis going by the way, sitting in for 683 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 1: Sean Hannity, and I'm honored to have Admiral Woolsey on 684 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: the line with US. Admiral Woolsey, welcome to the Sean 685 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 1: Hannity Show. Many thanks. But the submit initials got turned around. 686 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,560 Speaker 1: It ought to be a M B instead of a 687 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,919 Speaker 1: d M. I'm not an admiral, I was an ambassador. Ambassador. 688 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,719 Speaker 1: There we go. Okay, yeah, I really appreciate that. Well 689 00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:48,360 Speaker 1: now the way, well it's terrific. Thank you. Yeah, I 690 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 1: need to watch what I'm reading here, but but thank you. Um, 691 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,880 Speaker 1: you did a great job as CIA director. And I 692 00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 1: loved your comments. Uh. Um. And did it be like 693 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,760 Speaker 1: putting all of our team as goalies? Uh? You gotta 694 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 1: have some people out there, uh, in front. And this 695 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 1: administration has not done such a good job. We're all 696 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:18,920 Speaker 1: it seems like we're always reacting. Um. But what do 697 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 1: you think that President Trump should do immediately on taking 698 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,480 Speaker 1: office to to get us on the right track when 699 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,720 Speaker 1: it comes to foreign relations? Well, I think he probably 700 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,799 Speaker 1: ought to get together with his senior advisors and come 701 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 1: up with an overall approach to dealing with the outside 702 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: world that give people some some kind of guidance. And 703 00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,840 Speaker 1: although he may not what it stated explicitly, I've always 704 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,839 Speaker 1: thought that far and away the best formulation was did 705 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,160 Speaker 1: Or Roosevelt speak softly and carry a big stick? Um. 706 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,080 Speaker 1: Occasionally you may even have to use the stick, but 707 00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,880 Speaker 1: at least carry it and have it and have it 708 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,200 Speaker 1: nobody know that you have it. But in the meantime 709 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:08,960 Speaker 1: speak softly. I think often one can deal with diplomatic 710 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:13,960 Speaker 1: problems as well as substantly ones by some combinations that 711 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:19,640 Speaker 1: that set of behaviors. And it's not fool proof, but 712 00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,279 Speaker 1: I found it in the International Affairs area and uh 713 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,920 Speaker 1: and the arms control agreements I negotiated with the Soviets 714 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:33,040 Speaker 1: on and so forth to be a pretty good guy. Well, 715 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,280 Speaker 1: it's interesting though the news uh the last few days 716 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,040 Speaker 1: this administration seems to have gotten into a high pitched 717 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:46,440 Speaker 1: scream about Russian hacking. Um. You know you you've been 718 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:52,480 Speaker 1: CEI director and you know this is no secret that 719 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,279 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of hacking going on. Uh, tell 720 00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,160 Speaker 1: me how you think? What kind of grade would you 721 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:05,080 Speaker 1: give as in Obama and protecting our internet, especially what 722 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 1: he's done with I CAN and given that control to 723 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,759 Speaker 1: two foreign countries, not not a high grade. I I 724 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,719 Speaker 1: was worried about the what the action he took on 725 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:22,480 Speaker 1: I CAN, and I'm worried about the passivity we Uh 726 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 1: we started out wrong a few years ago by particularly 727 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,080 Speaker 1: I think, well his opening tour and speech if apology 728 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,560 Speaker 1: was not what I think we should have done. But 729 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:40,600 Speaker 1: more after that to tell the Syrian leader assad that 730 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,319 Speaker 1: there's a red line in the sand and he will 731 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,560 Speaker 1: not cross it, he will not use to and weapons 732 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,560 Speaker 1: of mass destruction chemical weapons in this case against his 733 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,359 Speaker 1: own people. And then when he went ahead and did it, uh, 734 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,600 Speaker 1: President obamamore or less shrugs and handed the problem to 735 00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,719 Speaker 1: the Russians. So if you if you want to get 736 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,360 Speaker 1: Rip placed by the Russians and being a significant power 737 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,520 Speaker 1: in the Middle East, that's the way to do it. 738 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:11,719 Speaker 1: Why he should want to that is beyond me. Well, 739 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,640 Speaker 1: in a conversation I had with Donald Trump privately back 740 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,680 Speaker 1: in September, he was about to walk in the room 741 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:24,000 Speaker 1: and talk to UH hundred and twenty veterans, went back 742 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:28,120 Speaker 1: to World War Two even and UH we were talking, 743 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,319 Speaker 1: and he asked me a question about the question he's 744 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,960 Speaker 1: frequently asked. And I said, look, you were I personally 745 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,279 Speaker 1: I studied history, had a major in it, and I 746 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:42,440 Speaker 1: still read constantly. But um, I'm talking to UH formacy, 747 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,720 Speaker 1: I a director, former ambassador Jim Woolsey. But H, I said, 748 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,239 Speaker 1: you know, I think the best presidents we've had on 749 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,279 Speaker 1: foreign policy were those that the world thought was just 750 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,000 Speaker 1: a little bit crazy. Whether you bring up Teddy Roosevelt. UH. 751 00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 1: People were not sure if this guy was is crazy 752 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,040 Speaker 1: enough to send this new big navy after them? And 753 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,640 Speaker 1: and I said, remember Saturday Night Live sketches about Reagan. 754 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,560 Speaker 1: He was walking around his character saying where's the red button? 755 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,560 Speaker 1: Went along to nuclear attack. Where's the red button? And 756 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,719 Speaker 1: I said that was the best thing that could have 757 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:22,279 Speaker 1: happened for Reagan. If our enemies think that our president 758 00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,640 Speaker 1: is just a little bit crazy, and uh, Donald Trump said, well, 759 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,759 Speaker 1: you know, they're saying I'm crazy, And I said, that's 760 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:34,520 Speaker 1: why you're going to be fantastic when negotiating at the 761 00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,920 Speaker 1: one clear illustration of that was that the Iranians turned 762 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,839 Speaker 1: our hostages that they've kept for a year plus uh 763 00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:48,880 Speaker 1: uh loose uh while uh President Reagan was being sworn in. 764 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,880 Speaker 1: I mean that's what it acknowledgement that they don't want to, uh, 765 00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,799 Speaker 1: you know, have him take office with them still on 766 00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,040 Speaker 1: the wrong side of rationality indecency. That is such a 767 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,920 Speaker 1: great point because they were not sure what he would do, 768 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,880 Speaker 1: but they knew what Carter was doing. And I'm telling you, ambassador, uh, 769 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,560 Speaker 1: what I was in the army. My four years included 770 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,120 Speaker 1: seventy nine and eighty under Carter, and so I was 771 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,120 Speaker 1: watching from Fort Benning. Nobody was dying to go, but 772 00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,600 Speaker 1: we thought somebody should. They committed an act of war, 773 00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 1: attacked our embassy, but he didn't do anything. And I 774 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,319 Speaker 1: still do this day feel guilty. I feel like if 775 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,120 Speaker 1: we had responded back then, maybe if Carter had said, 776 00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,840 Speaker 1: you got seventy two hours to let them go, or 777 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,200 Speaker 1: we're coming in, and if you harm them, it's gonna 778 00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,480 Speaker 1: be that much worse for you. I mean, I really 779 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,720 Speaker 1: feel like there would be thousands of Americans that wouldn't 780 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,880 Speaker 1: have lost their lives to radical Islam if he had 781 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:54,040 Speaker 1: done the right thing back then. But there's an article, Uh, 782 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,560 Speaker 1: let's see this from John Hayward where it says quotes 783 00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,839 Speaker 1: you that politics as leaks harm the credibility of the 784 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:09,520 Speaker 1: intelligence agencies? What do you mean by that? In one 785 00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,239 Speaker 1: room here at the at the students to another one 786 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:21,319 Speaker 1: ohoops were having some problems. Are you there, Ambassador there? 787 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:26,560 Speaker 1: You are? Okay? Um, But of course I can't always 788 00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,520 Speaker 1: trust things that I'm quoted as saying. But uh, how 789 00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,839 Speaker 1: do you feel that the politicized lakes harm the credibility 790 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:38,879 Speaker 1: of our intelligence agencies? You've been there, CEI Director, Yeah, 791 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:44,040 Speaker 1: I don't think the leaks are helpful. Uh. And if 792 00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:50,360 Speaker 1: there are people inside the uh the intelligence community that 793 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,880 Speaker 1: are doing it as distinct from political figures or others 794 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:58,040 Speaker 1: who learn something about what's going on, uh, then they 795 00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:04,440 Speaker 1: ought to be under orders to stop acting UM. In intelligence, 796 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:09,480 Speaker 1: you really do need to UM keep control as much 797 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,319 Speaker 1: as you can of what goes out, because sources and 798 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:17,400 Speaker 1: methods can get revealed by things that people don't realize 799 00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,680 Speaker 1: that is happening, and you can have you get people 800 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:28,200 Speaker 1: killed by talking about stuff that you may not understand 801 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:33,000 Speaker 1: is important, such as a date or a size of something, 802 00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:38,239 Speaker 1: or a something that just sort of seems like casual conversation, 803 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,120 Speaker 1: but it reveals the source and method you could, like 804 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,520 Speaker 1: I said, you get people killed. And it's far and 805 00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:52,680 Speaker 1: away better to keep your statements uh to yourself and 806 00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:58,160 Speaker 1: take action. Action is a lot more effective than talking. 807 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,960 Speaker 1: And uh uh if you carry the big stick and 808 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,040 Speaker 1: occasionally use it, I think that's an awful lot better 809 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,680 Speaker 1: than uh than even people who think they're accomplishing something 810 00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,319 Speaker 1: by by leaking. Nine times out of ten, they are 811 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:18,279 Speaker 1: not well. Former CI Director Ambassador J. Woolsey. Uh, what 812 00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:22,720 Speaker 1: you make such a great point when you say that 813 00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,640 Speaker 1: you do you can speak softly, but if you don't 814 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,640 Speaker 1: have the big stick. Uh, And you pointed out, then 815 00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,120 Speaker 1: you're in trouble. And you pointed out earlier that Obama 816 00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,640 Speaker 1: has threatened with the big stick. But let's look at 817 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:41,160 Speaker 1: what he's done to those who have caused harm. Let's 818 00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,719 Speaker 1: see you've got vocal haram uh that that kidnapped over 819 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,239 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty girls. Oh yeah, I remember we 820 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:54,440 Speaker 1: took a very harsh h hashtag bring the Girls Back campaign. 821 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,480 Speaker 1: And I remember when Russia went into Crimea, there was 822 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,879 Speaker 1: a hashtag in pain. And seems like I remember somebody 823 00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:06,879 Speaker 1: the state departments saying they don't understand how fierce we're 824 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,440 Speaker 1: going to be in our hashtag campaign. Uh no, I 825 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,319 Speaker 1: don't think Putin did. That's is that the big stick 826 00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:19,440 Speaker 1: you're talking about these hashtag campaigns? Well, not necessarily, um high, 827 00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:30,240 Speaker 1: I'm I'm thinking of things that would create logistical difficulties 828 00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:34,399 Speaker 1: and uh and uh, I'll tell you the best place. Well, yeah, 829 00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,600 Speaker 1: I was gonna ask if you could give us an example. 830 00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:41,600 Speaker 1: One is to take something that you can drive a 831 00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,680 Speaker 1: car on other than an oil product. Let's say meth 832 00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,839 Speaker 1: at all with an m wood alcohol. Um, they've run 833 00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:53,080 Speaker 1: the Indianapolis five on wood alcohol for dozens of years. Uh, 834 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,399 Speaker 1: you can drive cars on it just fine. Costs under 835 00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,000 Speaker 1: a hundred dollars a car to h to make it 836 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,160 Speaker 1: possible with driving if you can pull it, and I 837 00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,120 Speaker 1: can pull into filling station and fill up with either 838 00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:09,239 Speaker 1: gasoline or would alcohol, methanol or some mixture of the two. 839 00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,800 Speaker 1: Right then and there, several people get to be very 840 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,680 Speaker 1: very worried. One of them is Mr Pootin. One of 841 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:23,799 Speaker 1: them is let's say, the Ayatollah Kamine in Iran, and 842 00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,840 Speaker 1: one would be the ruler of Venezuila. All of those 843 00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:32,520 Speaker 1: are tyrannical oil states and they would have serious economic 844 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,440 Speaker 1: problems if the price of oil goes down and the 845 00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,960 Speaker 1: utilization of oil goes down. And by the way, it 846 00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:44,279 Speaker 1: would also help American consumers just keep the starters. You 847 00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:48,719 Speaker 1: want something that would would and you know, we could 848 00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,920 Speaker 1: smile while we did it. We could say it's um 849 00:56:53,840 --> 00:57:00,600 Speaker 1: really uh a, you know, it's just a consumer assistance. Uh. 850 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,839 Speaker 1: We sure could. And Reagan was great at doing that, 851 00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,279 Speaker 1: and actually Bill Clinton was pretty good at doing that. 852 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,440 Speaker 1: But that is such a good point. And I'm looking 853 00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,960 Speaker 1: forward to having Donald Trump in office, and I think 854 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,520 Speaker 1: we could have already been energy independent, and I think 855 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,919 Speaker 1: that's where the next president will take us. But you're 856 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,520 Speaker 1: so gracious to come on and thank you very much. Uh. 857 00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:29,240 Speaker 1: Former CIA director, former ambassador James Woolsey. Uh, thank you 858 00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,560 Speaker 1: so much. You are such an asset and we appreciate 859 00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:37,400 Speaker 1: so much your comments with you. Well, thank you. This 860 00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,640 Speaker 1: is Louis Gohmert sitting in for Sean Hannity, and we 861 00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,760 Speaker 1: think we got the phone system fixed, and besides that, 862 00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,080 Speaker 1: we get to go the whole rest of the half 863 00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:50,960 Speaker 1: hour without commercial interruption. Hopefully. I'm gonna hear my friend 864 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:56,960 Speaker 1: Patrick and Steve. Are you guys there? He alright, alright, alright, great, great, great, 865 00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,560 Speaker 1: good to have you all on and we get to 866 00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:05,240 Speaker 1: go now longer without commercial interruption. But um, so, why 867 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:09,000 Speaker 1: do you think these guys, according to the stories, uh, 868 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:13,760 Speaker 1: that are Islamic radicals, why do you think they tend 869 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:19,479 Speaker 1: towards seats of power? Well, Louis, I think in case 870 00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,439 Speaker 1: of d C, we we got to remember that there's 871 00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:27,160 Speaker 1: and that's Patrick back to uh nine eleven, Yeah, uh, 872 00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,720 Speaker 1: with three of the nine eleven hijackers were operating there, 873 00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,600 Speaker 1: you had Amar Locky, who was the mom of the 874 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:38,640 Speaker 1: Darnel Hidra mosque. We've seen subsequent plots like the um 875 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,120 Speaker 1: the Northern Virginia Jihad network about two thousand three, two 876 00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,480 Speaker 1: thousand four, actually some of those guys are getting out 877 00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,840 Speaker 1: of federal prison now and now this new round of 878 00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:52,880 Speaker 1: vicenst guys, it's very concerning about what's what's going on. Well, yeah, 879 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:57,160 Speaker 1: and both of you guys have researched and studied no 880 00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:03,040 Speaker 1: radical Islam better than most anybody, certainly anybody in this 881 00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:09,560 Speaker 1: administration other than the radical Islamis. But what would you suggest, 882 00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:15,000 Speaker 1: as uh, new President Trump is coming in, what should 883 00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:19,360 Speaker 1: we be doing to help take these radical Islamis on 884 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,680 Speaker 1: and get it and and really protect ourselves because apparently 885 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:28,960 Speaker 1: from what's being said, Uh, these guys have tended towards 886 00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:33,920 Speaker 1: where there are seats of power, like around washing arounded 887 00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:38,040 Speaker 1: in Washington, d C, arounded in airports, and uh, that 888 00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:43,000 Speaker 1: guy from the Orlando shooter. I tried to tell my 889 00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,080 Speaker 1: Democratic friends that were violating the rules that it was 890 00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,960 Speaker 1: it was a radical Islam that killed these innocent victims. 891 00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:56,640 Speaker 1: But he was working around some airport, wasn't he. Well yes, 892 00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:58,840 Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, what I would do, my 893 00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,160 Speaker 1: my advice would be too do a pause in the 894 01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,160 Speaker 1: war on terror and do a fact based analysis of 895 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,360 Speaker 1: who the enemy the war on terror is based on 896 01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,080 Speaker 1: who he says he is and based on the doctrines 897 01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,760 Speaker 1: that he promulgates in that regard. The first thing I 898 01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:17,280 Speaker 1: would do is I would completely suspend the countering Violent 899 01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,840 Speaker 1: Extremism narrative because I think this narrative, the c V, 900 01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,480 Speaker 1: this narrative exists to overwrite the counter terror effort and 901 01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,720 Speaker 1: replace it with language that sounds scientific and high minded, 902 01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,480 Speaker 1: but ends up we need to nowhere. And so I 903 01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,400 Speaker 1: think that, um, yes, you're right, these people are using 904 01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,760 Speaker 1: that language. In fact, when you saw what happened in Orlando, 905 01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:43,520 Speaker 1: he unequivocally said that he was a member of ISIS. 906 01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,720 Speaker 1: He explicitly stated why he acted. And yet the struggle 907 01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:49,880 Speaker 1: on the narrative, the struggle on the news, was to 908 01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,480 Speaker 1: impose the CV narrative. Was he was he a lone wolf? 909 01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,760 Speaker 1: Was he this? Or was he that? And I think 910 01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,160 Speaker 1: it's really imperative that we we knocked that stilliness out 911 01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,120 Speaker 1: and say that man killed for the reasons. He said, so, well, 912 01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,520 Speaker 1: thank you all both so much for bringing up this 913 01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,840 Speaker 1: countering violent extremism. You know, we've had some bills since 914 01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,960 Speaker 1: Republicans have been back in the majority that gave money 915 01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:17,520 Speaker 1: for countering violent extremism. And I tried to bring this 916 01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:19,960 Speaker 1: up on the House floor and didn't get a lot 917 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,720 Speaker 1: of support. But you guys know, I mean it's the 918 01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:28,600 Speaker 1: cv E Countering Violent Extremism. They have taken that money 919 01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:34,160 Speaker 1: and used it to go after Islamophobia. It seems to 920 01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:38,440 Speaker 1: me um as much or more as they actually have 921 01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:44,560 Speaker 1: radical Islam. Can you give us examples of how Countering 922 01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:49,720 Speaker 1: Violent Extremism money has been used? What kind of programs 923 01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:54,680 Speaker 1: we're talking about. Well, I think the c V programs 924 01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,840 Speaker 1: that are really problematic are these ones that uh end 925 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:03,960 Speaker 1: up engaged seen the so called moderate Islamist um you 926 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,480 Speaker 1: know who are pretty hardcore radicals when you start to 927 01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,120 Speaker 1: look at it. And in fact, we saw the DHS 928 01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:14,040 Speaker 1: announced today they're going to to ram through some new 929 01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:19,600 Speaker 1: some new grants on CBE here before the change of administration, 930 01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,400 Speaker 1: and that seems to be just an effort to infrench 931 01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:27,640 Speaker 1: the film policy calorie violent extremism has never countered any 932 01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:32,200 Speaker 1: actual violent extremists. Well, Patrick Pool, you had a great 933 01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:39,480 Speaker 1: article about the absolute failure that countering Violent Extremism is 934 01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,040 Speaker 1: and in fact, let's see this was from last summer. 935 01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:48,040 Speaker 1: You wrote Countering Violent Extremism one oh one, A program 936 01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:54,120 Speaker 1: collapsing into absurdity, Um, and what you went into detail, 937 01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:59,680 Speaker 1: and what a disastrous program this has been. It seems 938 01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:04,800 Speaker 1: to have taken our focus away from the enemy, radical 939 01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:09,400 Speaker 1: Islam and put it on ourselves that we're not being 940 01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:16,360 Speaker 1: sensitive enough to the radical Islamist feelings. Uh. Let's say 941 01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:21,200 Speaker 1: you said Obama cv policies were developed in two thousand 942 01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:25,360 Speaker 1: and eleven specifically at the demand of US Muslim groups. 943 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:30,240 Speaker 1: And where were you getting that information? Patrick? Well, actually 944 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:34,360 Speaker 1: that was a the White House UH put out a 945 01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:38,440 Speaker 1: strategic implementation plan and it's right upon the UH the 946 01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:42,480 Speaker 1: White House website. And in fact, the the initial efforts 947 01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:46,920 Speaker 1: UH for CV to install the CVU program was to 948 01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:51,680 Speaker 1: blacklist Steve Comblin. Um, you know that, to prevent him 949 01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,880 Speaker 1: from speaking in conferences. Um, you know, to prevent him 950 01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,360 Speaker 1: from from lecturing. That's a law enforceman alliances and Steve 951 01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,000 Speaker 1: can probably greater each You know about how that all 952 01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:05,160 Speaker 1: got launched? Well, how did that get launched, Steve? Well, 953 01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,840 Speaker 1: actually it got launched in July, I think or June 954 01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,800 Speaker 1: or July two thousand eleven. One uh NPR article came 955 01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,240 Speaker 1: out accusing us of a whole lot of things that 956 01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,720 Speaker 1: were simply not truely followed up by a CARE article. 957 01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,680 Speaker 1: But what was right? And when you say CARE, we're 958 01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:24,240 Speaker 1: not talking about the group that sends packages to people overseas. 959 01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:30,240 Speaker 1: This is the uh C a I R group, the 960 01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:34,360 Speaker 1: American Islamic Relations that's correctly. And do you think CARE 961 01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:40,880 Speaker 1: should be listed as a terrorist organization? Absolutely? I think 962 01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,640 Speaker 1: it should. I do believe that Egypt has done it. 963 01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,320 Speaker 1: And well, does that mean you don't think that this 964 01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:52,120 Speaker 1: administration should continue to be get their advice on going 965 01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:59,800 Speaker 1: after radical Islam from CARE. They advised this administration. Um, 966 01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, how did that happen? Back into that eleven 967 01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:06,120 Speaker 1: you started saying, Well, an article came out and one 968 01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,280 Speaker 1: of the people they they relied on was people from 969 01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,440 Speaker 1: the West Point counter Terrorism Center to make some discussions 970 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,919 Speaker 1: about what we were saying, and they were just not true. 971 01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:16,640 Speaker 1: But they were follow up by the Council of American 972 01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:20,000 Speaker 1: Islamic Relations. And it's important to point out that CARE 973 01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,880 Speaker 1: was formed out of Hamas and Hamas is the Muslim 974 01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:26,680 Speaker 1: brotherhood in the Palestinian territory, and from that they started 975 01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,520 Speaker 1: this ongoing purge. We got a copy of a letter 976 01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:33,160 Speaker 1: from Muslim advocates for Ankara to the White House demanded 977 01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,720 Speaker 1: or be a purge, and then we saw that purge happen, 978 01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,800 Speaker 1: and it's really scary. That was when I think the 979 01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:42,840 Speaker 1: cv went into full gear um back in two thousand eleven, 980 01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,080 Speaker 1: having brought people from the Brotherhood into DHS and two 981 01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,880 Speaker 1: thousand and ten. My idea is that this c V 982 01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,560 Speaker 1: is actually the intent of the cv E is to 983 01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,959 Speaker 1: come after people who are who who are in favor 984 01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:00,080 Speaker 1: of the constitution. If you take a look at the 985 01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:04,840 Speaker 1: actual legislation, it says a violent extremist, violent extremist is 986 01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,040 Speaker 1: terrorist at define an Title eighteen. So all of a 987 01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:11,360 Speaker 1: sudden cares calling you an extremist and that becomes the 988 01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:19,720 Speaker 1: predicate for a terrorism review. Wow. Wow. So this administration, UM, 989 01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,160 Speaker 1: I just don't think we can say goodbye quickly enough 990 01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,200 Speaker 1: when when you see what you guys have and the 991 01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:30,440 Speaker 1: damage that's been done. Let's see in Patrick's article and 992 01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,320 Speaker 1: I'm talking to Patrick Poole and Steve Cargland. In late 993 01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:38,120 Speaker 1: United I'm sorry, The New York Times reported Major General 994 01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:42,320 Speaker 1: Michael Nagata, then head of Special Operation Command Central, held 995 01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:46,600 Speaker 1: a series of conference calls attempting to understand why the 996 01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:53,360 Speaker 1: Islamic state had grown so dangerous. Uh wow, it's amazing 997 01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,720 Speaker 1: to me Patrick and Steve that we have people at 998 01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:03,080 Speaker 1: that high level that are seeking to understand how radical 999 01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:08,240 Speaker 1: Islamis got so dangerous. How did we get in this shape? Well, 1000 01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:12,720 Speaker 1: I think this CV narrative took us away from doing 1001 01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,680 Speaker 1: actual counter terrorism. And you know, we started off the 1002 01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:19,120 Speaker 1: segment talking about the problem in Washington, d C. And 1003 01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:23,400 Speaker 1: and this problem has been metastasizing. Uh since you know 1004 01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:28,720 Speaker 1: Obama's you know, JVT comment about ISIS. I mean, the 1005 01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:32,280 Speaker 1: focus has not been on the problem. The focus has 1006 01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:36,840 Speaker 1: been on all these administration narratives, which are all just 1007 01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,640 Speaker 1: dead ends. And and now we're at the point where 1008 01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:45,000 Speaker 1: the FBI has reportedly a thousands of her investigations. Um, 1009 01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:49,160 Speaker 1: and these ISIS related extremists. Well, and as Comey said, 1010 01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:54,560 Speaker 1: they're in every single state. Uh, these investigations as terrorist seals. 1011 01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:57,360 Speaker 1: But and I know you remember, but when I was 1012 01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:02,560 Speaker 1: questioning uh FBI Director Mueller, Uh, and I said, you 1013 01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:07,200 Speaker 1: guys did not even go to the musque where the 1014 01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:12,320 Speaker 1: Sarnia brothers, the Boston bombers, where they went where they 1015 01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:18,040 Speaker 1: apparently were radical lies and and uh, Mueller, as you 1016 01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:21,040 Speaker 1: were called, because I didn't hear it, and I think 1017 01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:24,280 Speaker 1: you did, Patrick, but he said, we didn't go to 1018 01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:29,440 Speaker 1: those mosques in our outreach program. The outreach program apparently 1019 01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:33,880 Speaker 1: is what the FBI, the CIA, these these groups are 1020 01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:38,160 Speaker 1: using to try to get closer to help understand. And 1021 01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:41,880 Speaker 1: I just think full for you guys, you have been 1022 01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,840 Speaker 1: fighting the fight, You've been trying to educate people on 1023 01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:49,160 Speaker 1: what we're facing. Uh, how do you feel about the 1024 01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:52,759 Speaker 1: administration coming in? What hope do you have with President 1025 01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:59,519 Speaker 1: Trump coming in? You've seen the favors of this administration. Well, 1026 01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,640 Speaker 1: I think it great, but I think that you know, 1027 01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:06,280 Speaker 1: we we knew exactly what was going to happen with Hillary. 1028 01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,639 Speaker 1: Is is more of the same, and even to a 1029 01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:13,160 Speaker 1: more heightened degree. Trump at least gives us an opportunity 1030 01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,960 Speaker 1: to begin to fill in the hole that we've done 1031 01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:21,680 Speaker 1: for ourselves. Yeah, Dave, And he's willing to basically understand it. 1032 01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,240 Speaker 1: Even though not every Muslim as a terrorist, and I 1033 01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:27,120 Speaker 1: understand that and we all do that an awful lot 1034 01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:30,000 Speaker 1: of the terrorism we see comes from Islam and within 1035 01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,840 Speaker 1: that people who claim Sharia as the basis of all law, 1036 01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,959 Speaker 1: and that he's willing to look at that that becomes 1037 01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,160 Speaker 1: that becomes the basis of why they act, and I 1038 01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:40,559 Speaker 1: think that creates great hope. I think we also have 1039 01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,600 Speaker 1: our concerns, but like Pat was said, we're gonna have 1040 01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,439 Speaker 1: to cut. But thank you so much. Patrick Poole and 1041 01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:48,680 Speaker 1: Steve Coglin will be right back with more of the 1042 01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,760 Speaker 1: Shawn Hannity Show. This is the Sean Hannity Show. This 1043 01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:55,880 Speaker 1: is a slowly legislator our Louie Gomert and uh yeah, 1044 01:09:55,960 --> 01:10:00,559 Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have a longstanding in I'm not 1045 01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:04,880 Speaker 1: gonna say old friend because she's not old. But like 1046 01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,720 Speaker 1: a week before the Republican National Convention, I was at 1047 01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,880 Speaker 1: a private dinner at Rymozzelle's house and had a conversation 1048 01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:16,400 Speaker 1: with Kelly and Conway. And I was so excited because 1049 01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:20,479 Speaker 1: Kelly and Conway was gonna be my consultant. I knew 1050 01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:23,680 Speaker 1: she had a lot of clients that were conservatives. I admired, 1051 01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:27,600 Speaker 1: and uh I was so excited I was going to 1052 01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:31,520 Speaker 1: get to be able to consult with Kelly and Conway. 1053 01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:34,720 Speaker 1: And a funny thing happened on the way to me 1054 01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:39,120 Speaker 1: getting to use her as a consultant. Donald Trump hired her, 1055 01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:45,080 Speaker 1: and uh so my loss was the country's game. And 1056 01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:49,280 Speaker 1: it is such an honor to have the only woman 1057 01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:55,520 Speaker 1: who have ever handled managed a campaign for president successfully. 1058 01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:59,960 Speaker 1: Kelly and Conway, welcome to the Sean Hannity Show. Well, 1059 01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:04,040 Speaker 1: that is quite an introduction. Thanks for having Well what 1060 01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:09,639 Speaker 1: happened to Louis? Come on, Kelly In. Well, it's great 1061 01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,599 Speaker 1: to have you on, and I know you're very busy, 1062 01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:15,679 Speaker 1: and you thanks for taking a few minutes out from 1063 01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:19,720 Speaker 1: working with the president there um to talk to the 1064 01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,280 Speaker 1: folks here, and we had people calling in and thanks 1065 01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:26,720 Speaker 1: for uh being willing to take a call. We have 1066 01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:31,000 Speaker 1: Warren and he had a question for you. Warren, Welcome 1067 01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:34,080 Speaker 1: to the Sean Hannity Show. Thank you much for taking 1068 01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:37,320 Speaker 1: my call. League. My question is is it possible can 1069 01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:42,320 Speaker 1: we as conservatives used the uh nuclear option that the 1070 01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:45,320 Speaker 1: Democrat to put in place in the Senate UH in 1071 01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:52,479 Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve or it was uh yeah, to 1072 01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:57,280 Speaker 1: get a Supreme Court nominee UH through Kelly In. I 1073 01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,720 Speaker 1: know you are so brilliant on strategy, UM, and I 1074 01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:05,200 Speaker 1: know that you and President Elect Trump have probably talked 1075 01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:09,360 Speaker 1: about the fight ahead to get the good people confirmed UH. 1076 01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,240 Speaker 1: The only time it's going to be easy to get 1077 01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:15,479 Speaker 1: somebody confirmed for the spring Court will be if it's 1078 01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:20,360 Speaker 1: some liberal and you know he's promised not to go there. 1079 01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:24,360 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Supring Court nominee confirmations. Well, 1080 01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:27,160 Speaker 1: it's a great question. Of course. We have the Justice 1081 01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:31,240 Speaker 1: Antonin Scalia vacancy, and President elect Trump has made very 1082 01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:35,600 Speaker 1: clear throughout the process that he intends to nominate justices 1083 01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:37,759 Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court and the rest of the Federal 1084 01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:41,320 Speaker 1: Judiciary in the likeness of Justice Scalias. Somebody who does 1085 01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:43,400 Speaker 1: not make up the laws he goes along or she 1086 01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,599 Speaker 1: goes along, does not have a conclusion in search of evidence, 1087 01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,360 Speaker 1: does not think the constitution of a living breeding document, 1088 01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:53,120 Speaker 1: and somebody who will apply the law as the law 1089 01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:56,040 Speaker 1: has written, not just make it up. And so um. 1090 01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,840 Speaker 1: In terms of getting the nominee path, I think it's 1091 01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:03,120 Speaker 1: important that the President elected said he will rely on 1092 01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:04,920 Speaker 1: the list of twenty or twenty one that he has 1093 01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,599 Speaker 1: put forward. It's a public list, everyone can look at. 1094 01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:09,559 Speaker 1: It says the man or woman will come from that 1095 01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:13,599 Speaker 1: list the first time. Um. And it's somebody also who 1096 01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:17,960 Speaker 1: after we have our Attorney general confirmed, Um, perhaps we 1097 01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,879 Speaker 1: can move on to the to the Senate confirmation hearings 1098 01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:24,200 Speaker 1: for the for the Supreme Court nominee. The Democrats are 1099 01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:28,160 Speaker 1: already regretting that nuclear option ploy because now they realize 1100 01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:31,479 Speaker 1: he can come back to hurt them. I also think 1101 01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,799 Speaker 1: we're going to be able to rely upon some Democratic 1102 01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:37,080 Speaker 1: Senate votes because they recognize that many of these cases 1103 01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,519 Speaker 1: now are four to four and we have a brand 1104 01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:43,800 Speaker 1: new fresh administration, new blood to fresh faces. And uh, 1105 01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:47,200 Speaker 1: and Donald Trump as president has a mandate from the 1106 01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:51,160 Speaker 1: American people to go and fill that that they can 1107 01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:53,559 Speaker 1: see now. He didn't make any bone to rely on 1108 01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,559 Speaker 1: some He didn't make any bones about what he was 1109 01:13:56,600 --> 01:14:00,400 Speaker 1: gonna do and got elected. And that's that's what we're hold. 1110 01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:05,720 Speaker 1: If you make promises before you're elected, Uh, then it 1111 01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:09,639 Speaker 1: should not shock anybody that you go ahead and move 1112 01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:12,920 Speaker 1: forward and and try to keep your promises. But you 1113 01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:17,839 Speaker 1: know it it I gotta say though it knowing uh 1114 01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:22,519 Speaker 1: and having tremendous respect for Justice Clarence Thomas, he was 1115 01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:29,360 Speaker 1: not a beneficiary of affirmative action. The man is brilliant, 1116 01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:36,000 Speaker 1: but he probably was more unfairly vilified than anybody in 1117 01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:41,280 Speaker 1: history going before, even more than Bork. But uh, you 1118 01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:46,599 Speaker 1: know what they do to an African American conservative. It's 1119 01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:51,280 Speaker 1: got to be the most unpleasant situation to be in. 1120 01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,320 Speaker 1: But it seems to me that Donald Trump is pretty 1121 01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:57,360 Speaker 1: well colored blind from from the folks I've seen working 1122 01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:02,840 Speaker 1: at Trump places and so, UM, I'm just I can't 1123 01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:08,400 Speaker 1: tell you, Kelly, and January twenty cannot come soon enough. Um. 1124 01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:12,960 Speaker 1: We have Brad on the lines from Grand Rapids, Michigan. Brad, 1125 01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:16,639 Speaker 1: were you there? Why don't you ask you a question 1126 01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:20,479 Speaker 1: to both me and Kelly Anne or make your comments? 1127 01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:25,800 Speaker 1: Um I um, My head is about ready to explode 1128 01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:33,400 Speaker 1: over this um narrative that the Russians hacked the US elections. Um, 1129 01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:40,080 Speaker 1: it's untrue. Um, I just I want to scream at 1130 01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:43,400 Speaker 1: the top of my Brad, why do you think they lost? 1131 01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:49,439 Speaker 1: Someone hacked the Democratic email system? No? But why did 1132 01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:53,519 Speaker 1: the Democrats more incompetent? Well, why do you think the 1133 01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:59,519 Speaker 1: Democrats lost? The two things? Donald Trump had Tory message 1134 01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:02,800 Speaker 1: and he had the answer. Whether he's well like or not, 1135 01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:07,680 Speaker 1: I always felt that he was the perhaps when he 1136 01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,759 Speaker 1: started the bitter medicine that we that this country needed 1137 01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:15,200 Speaker 1: to cure what was going on. But um, the truth 1138 01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:18,400 Speaker 1: is what set the Democrats back, and anybody that says 1139 01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:24,400 Speaker 1: anything different. Is um just trying to uh place blame 1140 01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:27,200 Speaker 1: where it doesn't belong. Well, thanks so much, Brad, I 1141 01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:31,960 Speaker 1: think you're exactly right. That's exactly why the Democrats lost. 1142 01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:35,679 Speaker 1: It was the truth and the truth, thank God said 1143 01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:41,080 Speaker 1: us free. But you know, uh, Kelly and was saying 1144 01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:44,720 Speaker 1: earlier in the show, I feel like Obama and Sorrows 1145 01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:49,000 Speaker 1: and all their operatives have been gas lighting us. We 1146 01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:52,479 Speaker 1: know what happened, and it wasn't the Russians. You know, 1147 01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:56,599 Speaker 1: the truth came out. They were lying to us, just 1148 01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,759 Speaker 1: like they did over being Ghazi and they got caught. 1149 01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:04,760 Speaker 1: But even before that, people were tired of what this 1150 01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:09,400 Speaker 1: administration had done. People were tired of apology tours and 1151 01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:13,519 Speaker 1: were ready to see America great again. And thank you 1152 01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:18,400 Speaker 1: for the message that you helped get out there. And uh, 1153 01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:20,640 Speaker 1: I had my days when I was pretty down, but 1154 01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:24,840 Speaker 1: I am so excited now. Thank you, Kelly and for 1155 01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:29,280 Speaker 1: all you've done. Uh. Anything that you want to say 1156 01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:34,639 Speaker 1: to the Deshaun's audience before you have to go, well, yes, 1157 01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:38,360 Speaker 1: first of all, Congress and Gomer Liuly, I think it's 1158 01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:41,719 Speaker 1: important that people remember that this election was not a squeaker. 1159 01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:44,040 Speaker 1: He went three hundred and six electoral votes he needed 1160 01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:47,439 Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy and Donald Trump and like Pence 1161 01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,639 Speaker 1: one states that had not gone Republican in decades literally 1162 01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:52,960 Speaker 1: and now how did they do that? They did it 1163 01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:56,320 Speaker 1: because they had a message that you've just said that 1164 01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,720 Speaker 1: really is resting into so many folks who feel left 1165 01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,920 Speaker 1: behind and forgotten and just kicked out of the system. 1166 01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:05,080 Speaker 1: And that's that's what hope and aspiration really means. And 1167 01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:06,560 Speaker 1: if you look at the last couple of weeks of 1168 01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:10,280 Speaker 1: the campaign, specifically, it's Donald Trump who had the uplifting, 1169 01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:14,040 Speaker 1: aspirational message, forward looking message. Hillary Quintin was so negative 1170 01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:16,840 Speaker 1: and it really it was confounding to me as to 1171 01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:21,280 Speaker 1: why he would say so negative um and not be aspirational, 1172 01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:24,080 Speaker 1: forward looking. But there's also a substance. You know, Donald 1173 01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:27,680 Speaker 1: Trump has put forward his hundred day plan. Everybody can 1174 01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,600 Speaker 1: pull it up and look at it. It's very ambitious 1175 01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,559 Speaker 1: and he'll get it done because that's what non non political, 1176 01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:39,040 Speaker 1: successful businessmen do. They're accountable. They believe in deliverable, deliverable results. 1177 01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:42,080 Speaker 1: You don't just study something and differ and delay it 1178 01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:45,000 Speaker 1: and deny it, you actually do it. And so that's 1179 01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,240 Speaker 1: why so many Americans are so excited right now, even 1180 01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:49,240 Speaker 1: people who did not vote or did not vote for him. 1181 01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:53,400 Speaker 1: There's there's a certain sense of optimism and forward looking 1182 01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:58,360 Speaker 1: off fresh blood change, a better direction for the country. 1183 01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:00,720 Speaker 1: And uh, I think the I think other Americans have 1184 01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:05,000 Speaker 1: be brought along movie through through progress and an improvement 1185 01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,760 Speaker 1: and positive change in their own lives very early on 1186 01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,240 Speaker 1: in his administration. So it's an exciting time. We thank 1187 01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:14,439 Speaker 1: you and your fellow members of Congress for supporting the agenda. 1188 01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,800 Speaker 1: We're looking very forward to working with you and other 1189 01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:21,680 Speaker 1: members on Capitol Hill. Well, I'm excited. I know that 1190 01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,280 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is going to be able to help some 1191 01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:26,960 Speaker 1: of our guys with who need a little calcium in 1192 01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:30,559 Speaker 1: their backbones. Uh. I have a feeling he's gonna help, uh, 1193 01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:34,120 Speaker 1: you know, solidify those backbones and help us get some 1194 01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:37,679 Speaker 1: things done that he had promised. But you know, Kelly An, 1195 01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:40,720 Speaker 1: you know the map better than I do. But when 1196 01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:43,120 Speaker 1: I was looking at the map of all of the 1197 01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:47,320 Speaker 1: counties that voted for Donald Trump and the counties that 1198 01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:53,080 Speaker 1: voted or parishes that voted for Hillary Clinton, uh, it 1199 01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:59,400 Speaker 1: appears very clear. You know, you've got the Republican Party 1200 01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:02,960 Speaker 1: and Donald Trump won the nomination of the Republican Party. 1201 01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:06,760 Speaker 1: And then you have the fringe party out on the 1202 01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:10,840 Speaker 1: fringe on the west coast. UH. Hillary Clinton had the 1203 01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:14,160 Speaker 1: fringes support on the left coast, she had the fringes 1204 01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:18,439 Speaker 1: support on the right coast. She had the fringes support 1205 01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:24,200 Speaker 1: down on the southern border. She had the fringes support Chicago, Detroit, UH, 1206 01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:28,080 Speaker 1: the major cities in the north. And I think if 1207 01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:32,000 Speaker 1: we want to really promote truth that we need to 1208 01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:36,400 Speaker 1: have the Democratic Party changed their names to the fringe Party. 1209 01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:40,920 Speaker 1: That is who they represent. But the red that representing 1210 01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:46,639 Speaker 1: Republicans is just overwhelming. The number of counties that Donald 1211 01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,800 Speaker 1: Trump won it it's rank and file America. She got 1212 01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:53,519 Speaker 1: the fringe. Well, I will speak to his victory. You're 1213 01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:56,600 Speaker 1: absolutely correct, Lily, and that it was historic from the 1214 01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:01,479 Speaker 1: perspective of he won counties and he flipped Donald Trump 1215 01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:04,040 Speaker 1: was able to flip two hundred counties that went for 1216 01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:08,519 Speaker 1: President Obama to Donald Trump. That's just remarkable, especially when 1217 01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:12,600 Speaker 1: you consider that President Obama was out there most days 1218 01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:16,320 Speaker 1: saying that Hillary Clinton was running on his legacy and 1219 01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:19,120 Speaker 1: he would take it personally if she didn't win, and 1220 01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,400 Speaker 1: he needs you to get out there and stop Donald Trump. 1221 01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:25,560 Speaker 1: People heard that message and they rejected it. These counties. 1222 01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,320 Speaker 1: You know, you look at the Macomb County, Michigan. You 1223 01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:33,879 Speaker 1: look at O'shocka County, Wisconsin. You look at Mahoning County, Ohio. 1224 01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:35,800 Speaker 1: I mean, the list goes on and on. I can 1225 01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:38,640 Speaker 1: give you a list of thirty five forty sixty counties 1226 01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:43,080 Speaker 1: where it was just remarkable to see Hillary ten fifteen 1227 01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:46,280 Speaker 1: points down from where President Obama was and Donald Trump 1228 01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:49,120 Speaker 1: up ten fifteen points when we're Mit Romie and John 1229 01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:52,000 Speaker 1: McCaine were. So this is the Donald Trump effect and 1230 01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:55,160 Speaker 1: you can see it now. Sprint announces five thousand new jobs. 1231 01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:59,240 Speaker 1: You see um the Donald Trump effect in the stock market. Yesterday, 1232 01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:02,160 Speaker 1: the AP had a story small businesses are buoyant and 1233 01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:05,639 Speaker 1: optimistic about two thousand seventeen. He hasn't even taken off 1234 01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:07,799 Speaker 1: this yet, and people are just excited about the positive 1235 01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:11,040 Speaker 1: change and energy. Yeah. Well, you know, there were a 1236 01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:14,160 Speaker 1: number of Republicans that have been saying for years, we 1237 01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:18,559 Speaker 1: need to reach out to communities that have traditionally voted 1238 01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:23,680 Speaker 1: Democrat uh minority areas, and so there's been a lot 1239 01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:26,360 Speaker 1: of Republicans that wanted to do that that have tried 1240 01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:28,599 Speaker 1: to do it and have kind of been shut out. 1241 01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:33,679 Speaker 1: But something that's encouraging to me is, uh, Donald Trump. 1242 01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,240 Speaker 1: Sure there were some doors shut in his face that 1243 01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:38,320 Speaker 1: I think will be open in the future now that 1244 01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:43,240 Speaker 1: he's president. But he actually got some doors opened, and 1245 01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:46,960 Speaker 1: I think got some people's attention. And it's amazing. When 1246 01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:50,599 Speaker 1: I was speaking to a predominantly black college and Tyler 1247 01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:55,760 Speaker 1: to a combined sociology class, Uh, I was amazed there 1248 01:22:55,760 --> 01:23:00,519 Speaker 1: were people there who in asking them questions getting feedback 1249 01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:05,840 Speaker 1: from them, they sounded like right wing conservative Republicans. Uh. 1250 01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,639 Speaker 1: And I'm sure they voted for Obama, but they were saying, 1251 01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:11,519 Speaker 1: you need to put a work requirement because when I 1252 01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:14,400 Speaker 1: was on welfare, you know, I I didn't work and 1253 01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:16,639 Speaker 1: I should have been pushed out there. And somebody else 1254 01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:18,960 Speaker 1: says there needs to be a drug test. I was 1255 01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:23,320 Speaker 1: using some of my money to buy drugs. And these 1256 01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:27,479 Speaker 1: are women who were wanting to improve themselves and they 1257 01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:30,240 Speaker 1: were getting back. And I think that's the people that 1258 01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:34,120 Speaker 1: would listen to Donald Trump and could join him. And 1259 01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:36,680 Speaker 1: I really think he's got a chance to expand the 1260 01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:40,639 Speaker 1: party like we haven't seen in our lifetime. So I'm 1261 01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:44,360 Speaker 1: encouraged and I am so grateful to you. You've done 1262 01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:47,320 Speaker 1: the country a great service. And I don't think Donald 1263 01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:49,760 Speaker 1: Trump there's nobody he could have hired that we've done 1264 01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:52,760 Speaker 1: a better job. Thank you so much. You're here. I 1265 01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:58,320 Speaker 1: get a lot of the credit. And in the house, 1266 01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:02,360 Speaker 1: PENC would be a great yes. Thank you. Well, God 1267 01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:05,639 Speaker 1: bless you, Kelly in audience, bless you to the new year.