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I talked 11 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 2: about this before vacation, then it happened during vacation, and 12 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: I was told by a source. I really trust that 13 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 2: Matt Stafford's agent and the Rams are going to meet 14 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: at the Combine this week and try to bang something out. 15 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: The Rams like him, Matt likes him. They want to 16 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: stay together. He understands the importance of McVeigh and Pukinakua 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: and the organization, and the Rams like him. And it's 18 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: a bad quarterback class and Aaron Rodgers is an option, 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: but not a preferred option. Stafford's better now so. But 20 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 2: here's an interesting thing. A lot of Giants have pushback 21 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: on this. We're not giving up the number three pick. 22 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: So my take is, would you flip picks with the 23 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 2: Rams because it's different. If this was a great quarterback 24 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 2: draft class, I'd be very reluctant to give it the 25 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 2: number three pick because I could trade down, right, which 26 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: the Rams would do if they got the number three pick. 27 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: They would trade down and get more picks. The Giants 28 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 2: not necessary. They're not necessarily going to trade down. They're 29 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: just going to draft the quarterback. Or they would get 30 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: Stafford so they wouldn't have to. But when you as 31 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 2: a GM, I would have no problem getting Matt Stafford 32 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: giving them a three year deal, maybe four. You know, 33 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 2: I would draft a quarterback second year into it and 34 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: just say, okay, I'll take the Rams pick late first 35 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: you get my draft top of the first. I would 36 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 2: have no problem doing that because they've been unwatchable for 37 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: a decade. The coach and the GM are on the 38 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 2: hot seat in New York between Jade and Daniels and 39 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: the Eagles roster. You're non competitive. You're not a competitive 40 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 2: team going forward. But when I say that, Giant fans 41 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 2: are you cannot trade the number three pick. There are drafts. 42 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 2: I agree with that. This isn't You're not getting cam Ward. 43 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 2: This is not one of those drafts. 44 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 3: To me, if I was a GM, I couldn't trade 45 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 3: that valuable of a pick and pay a thirty seven 46 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 3: year old guy who does have some injury concerns at 47 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 3: this point in time. But those guys are fighting for 48 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,119 Speaker 3: their jobs. So I think if you sat in Brian 49 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 3: dabols shoes, he wouldn't hesitate to do that. I think 50 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 3: he would just give the number three pick for Matt Stafford. 51 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 3: Why would he not. He's going to get fired and 52 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 3: fair not like he would not get a job immediately after. 53 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,399 Speaker 3: And the general manager, what's also just speaking realities, would 54 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 3: never get another job, right. So to me, now if 55 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 3: I was the owner, I could not We would not 56 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 3: be doing that. That's I think it's risky business. I 57 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 3: would also not be business. Look at the last two 58 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 3: quarterbacks that were older, they got a lot of money 59 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 3: that the Packers, who are one of the best drafting 60 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 3: teams of like all time, We're like, yeah, we're done 61 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 3: with Aaron Rodgers, and then Kevin O'Connell was like, yeah, 62 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,399 Speaker 3: I'm done with Kirk Cousins, and both those teams regretted 63 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 3: those moves immediately. I mean the Aaron Rodgers thing, well, 64 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 3: they had to make that move. Like I don't blame 65 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 3: them for making that trade the Jets, but that was 66 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 3: a disaster. The Cousins thing was even worse because at 67 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 3: least Rogers at one point in time was one of 68 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 3: the greatest players ever. Cousins always had some limitations coming 69 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 3: off the Achilles and let's face the Colin They're probably 70 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 3: gonna cut him in the next seven ten days. Yeah, 71 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 3: he's going to get cut. So now Stafford at this 72 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 3: point in time is better than that version of Rogers 73 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 3: and definitely Cousins. But I you know where I come 74 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 3: with Stafford. You know he is going to accumulate it. 75 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 3: I looked he made over two hundred and twenty million 76 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 3: dollars in Detroit. His career earnings right now are about 77 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 3: three hundred and sixty million dollars. So when his career 78 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 3: is over, he will be over four hundred million dollars. 79 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 3: So even after taxes and after paying agents, he will 80 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 3: have accumulated before he's forty years old, over two hundred 81 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 3: million dollars in net income. I'm not even talking about 82 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 3: what he's made off the field in la I know 83 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 3: I see him on sleep number commercials. He is really 84 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 3: really rich. Right at this point in time, when you 85 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 3: spent a decade and a half almost in an irrelevant 86 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 3: franchise and losing constantly in the peak of your powers, 87 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 3: wouldn't you go like, look at what Tom did? Like, 88 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 3: wouldn't it makes sense to behy Sean. It doesn't get 89 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 3: any better than the Rams. I know we're well run. 90 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 3: I know I have an elite coach. I'm in a 91 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 3: huge market. I have made Peyton Manning level money, and 92 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 3: I have gotten my ass kicked and we drafted the 93 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 3: top ten. Now I'm with a franchise who I don't 94 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 3: even know. These guys are bringing in and all of 95 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 3: a sudden, by mid season they're as kickers, Like, why 96 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 3: would I want what I would come out? I would 97 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 3: have stopped this conversation. I will do whatever it takes. 98 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna make five million dollars, but why wouldn't 99 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 3: he be like, I'm making twenty seven this year. Let's 100 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 3: do a two year deal for like forty million. Guarantee 101 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 3: every penny you go out and buy players. I want 102 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 3: to be here. I'm gonna go Brady, I've already people like, 103 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 3: don't count other people's money. This guy has made so 104 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 3: much money and he played and such a bad franchise, 105 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 3: shouldn't he Like, I wouldn't want any part of the Giants. 106 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:05,239 Speaker 3: If you're Matt. 107 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: Stafford, what are we talking about now? 108 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 3: I see? But he likes his money, there's no doubt. 109 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 3: Like him and Jimmy sexon there they have been Peyton 110 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 3: Manning like every penny, every penny, yeh penny. And I 111 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 3: don't blame the Rams like no, no more every pennybody. 112 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: I think Stafford wants to stay with the Rams, And 113 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: to your point, I would want to stay with the Rams. 114 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: The value of the value of Sean McVay. 115 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 3: For a quarterback and just a franchise and how well 116 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 3: run they are at Yeah he saw the Lions for 117 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 3: fifteen years. 118 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I think a lot of this. I think 119 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 2: when things go public, and you know, like like steven 120 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: A's contract went public, I always think when I see 121 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 2: that that the person actually wants to sign with the 122 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: company it goes public, you know. I mean, and I'm 123 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: this is not a shot at stephen A, but I 124 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 2: always think that whenever a person because I could make 125 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 2: my stuff go public on my contract and I don't. 126 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 2: I'm not comfortable with it, but a lot of people are, 127 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: and I'm not begrudging them. But Stafford and these people 128 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 2: that it gets out either through their agent or sources. 129 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: Stuff gets out when people wants it want it out. Right, 130 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: Like in my entire life, stories get out when people 131 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 2: want it out. That's the reason stuff gets out. I've 132 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: got secrets in my career in negotiations never gotten out 133 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 2: because the company doesn't want them out, and I don't 134 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 2: want them out. This time into my negotiations, nothing gets out. 135 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 2: I don't want it out, they don't want it out. 136 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: I always tell my bosses keep it out of the press. 137 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: I don't want anything in the press. But when people do, 138 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: it does get out there. It's generally because the sides 139 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 2: want a deal, they want to remate. So when I 140 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 2: see the Matt Stafford stuff, my take is Matt wants 141 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: to stay in Los Angeles. He's got a gorgeous place 142 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 2: near the beach, and I think her moost are Manhattan Beach. 143 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 2: It's great weather. He was in the Midwest for years. 144 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: He's a Texas Georgia kid. He probably likes warm weather. 145 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: So I and this this is not an indictment on 146 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 2: anybody that goes public, but it discounts in politics if 147 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 2: you're trying to get legislation passed. It counts in contracts. 148 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: It counts when I when I, I mean stuff is 149 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: out when somebody is trying to create leverage. But they 150 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 2: truthfully they want to stay where they're at. So I 151 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: think he'll be a round. 152 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I think this one's pretty clear. Because 153 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 3: this kind of happened last year, it feels a little 154 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 3: more out this year. Is that the Rams are tough 155 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 3: to negotiate with. You know, early on in their tenure 156 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 3: with Les and John, they signed a deal that they 157 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 3: clearly regretted in Todd Gurley. And ever since they've been 158 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 3: pretty good, right, and they haven't got in these positions where, 159 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 3: you know, the Niners have kind of found themselves the 160 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 3: last couple of years like ah, we regret that Debo deal. Ah, 161 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 3: we regret that Iuke deal. And now they're kind of 162 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 3: burned and now they're pivoting like, oh, we got to 163 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 3: be careful with doing that stuff. The Rams learned early 164 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 3: on because Todd Gurley's need just one and this Stafford thing. 165 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 3: I think they have just been they've been tough with him. 166 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 3: You know, he's been you know, with Detroit, they always 167 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,119 Speaker 3: bet right over and gave him and he was always 168 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 3: the highest paid guy. You know. The last couple of years, 169 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 3: it's been hard. He's like, I'm only making twenty seven. 170 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 3: They're like, well, we'll give you a couple of million 171 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 3: dollars more, but we're not. We're not giving you two years, 172 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 3: one hundred million dollars. Mat that's just not happening, right, 173 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 3: And we want you, you want us, we're winning, listen, 174 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 3: And I know you only have a chance, Like once 175 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 3: he leaves, he's probably not going to make when he's 176 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 3: forty two years old, retired thirty million dollars his first 177 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 3: shot whatever he does. So I understand you have the 178 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 3: opportunity to make a lot of it. But he's made 179 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 3: so much in winning, like he could go down as 180 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 3: a legendary player that I would be very careful about 181 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 3: driving this hard negotiation. Now. I think he also knows, like, 182 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 3: what what would the Rams do? You know, Sean McVay. 183 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 3: They're not really in the business of just like, oh, 184 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 3: we'll figure it out on the fly like that. They 185 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 3: understand what they have, but I think they have some 186 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 3: negotiating power because, like you said, he doesn't want to leave. 187 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 3: Look at his options like the Giants are, the Titans 188 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 3: are going to try. What are we talking about? 189 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: Ros uh? 190 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: And I do think there's I think the Air Rogers 191 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: thing has some legs. And I'll say this, we know 192 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 2: that coaching matters with quarterbacks. Last ten games last year 193 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 2: when Solo was gone, the Jets were one of the 194 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 2: poorest coach teams in the league, up and down both 195 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 2: sides of the ball, and Aaron put up good numbers. 196 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: Aaron with McVeigh would put up good numbers, B plus numbers, 197 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 2: maybe not A numbers. So I think that's something they've 198 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 2: thought about. Aaron's got a place in Malibu, and it's like, hey, 199 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 2: if we get trapped here, we'll bring on Aeron for 200 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 2: a couple of year deal plus Aaron. From all the indications, 201 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: Aaron wanted to be a Jet and was dumped for 202 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 2: the second time, so I think Aaron does not want 203 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 2: to end his career like that. And again, I thought 204 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 2: in his last ten games he had like a ninety 205 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: eight passer rating. He was pretty good. So my take 206 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: is Aaron. It's not a I mean I had somebody 207 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 2: that I really trust tell me this that Aaron Rodgers 208 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: is who McVeigh would go after. I mean, he went 209 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: after a guy in Baker Mayfield that came with baggage. 210 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 2: He went after him in one second. 211 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, Wentz they got off. You know, they've done a 212 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 3: lot of that. He has, no he's got He's like 213 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 3: the young version of Andy Reid. They'll take on problems. 214 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 3: The difference though, is, to me, there's a big difference 215 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 3: is the player Aaron Rodgers wants no part of getting hit. 216 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 3: He just will not. And that's still a quality that 217 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 3: Stafford will sit in there. He will get peppered as 218 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 3: he delivers a strike, and that you know, at the 219 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 3: level in which the Rams, I mean they're the only 220 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 3: team that went toe to toe with the Eagles, you know, 221 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 3: so it's like they're trying to compete for the Super Bowl. 222 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 3: That difference in standing in there throughout the course of 223 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 3: a season, in the big games, I think there would 224 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 3: be a drop off unless Aaron was just willing again 225 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 3: to play like he did, and I don't think at 226 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 3: forty one years old he would be. I mean, that 227 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 3: is one thing Stafford will sit in there kind of 228 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 3: like the old school quarterbacks and still get hit. So 229 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 3: I understand maybe his negotiating, like, hey guys, I'm taking 230 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 3: a lot of hits here too, Like I mean, I 231 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 3: need some money for this, for these bruises that I 232 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 3: wake up with every Monday morning. 233 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: Let's just throw this name out there because the combine 234 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 2: starts this week and before we get into that free agencies. 235 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 2: After that, Sam Darnold had a couple of disappointing games 236 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 2: end of the season. Sam Darnold a really good season. 237 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 2: Sam's got a market. Sam is still in the middle 238 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: of his prime. What is your I contend that Las 239 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 2: Vegas and with Chip Kelly and the Colts with Shane 240 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 2: Steiken are really good fits in they feels like Sam 241 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 2: in that division can go toe to toe with those quarterbacks. 242 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: You're not going toe to toe with a Herbert I 243 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 2: don't think, or a Mahomes, But I think you put 244 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: him in the AFC South with Shane Steikin. I think 245 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 2: he can go toe to toe with a CJ. Stroud 246 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 2: on most Sundays. What do you think happens with Sam? 247 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean a lot change. I remember going live 248 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 3: with you right after he made that throw against Seattle 249 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 3: and I was like, this guy, how are they going 250 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 3: to not give him a huge contract? And it shows 251 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 3: you the power of these primetime games. Let's face there 252 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 3: was a lot, you know, obviously the division was on 253 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 3: the line that Sunday night, and then the playoff game 254 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 3: was really, really bad. I still think at minimum he's 255 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 3: going to get a Baker Mayfield this year, one hundred 256 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 3: million dollars type contest, isn't he? And clearly with good 257 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 3: coaching you can. I mean, his team was sixty minutes 258 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 3: away from the number one overall Sea and he played 259 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 3: a massive role in that. So I think you gotta 260 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 3: be careful. Yeah, I think that game exposed a little bit. 261 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 3: When he starts getting blitzed, he starts you know, I 262 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 3: don't want to say seeing ghost. He's come a long 263 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 3: way since then, but he looked dramatically different in those 264 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 3: two games than he did. But you'd also say he's 265 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 3: you know, Aaron Glenn became a head coach, one of 266 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 3: the best defensive coordinators in the league and just was 267 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 3: blitzing them every single play. And Sean McVay and Shula 268 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 3: are just they had that defense roleing I mean they went, 269 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 3: they were hitting Hurts, they made him look bad in 270 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 3: that game, they were playing good defense. So I still 271 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 3: would have no problem given now that, here's the thing, like, 272 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 3: you know, these quarterbacks, the dominoes, all these teams looking 273 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,719 Speaker 3: are gonna have some ranking going into the combine when 274 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 3: they talk to the agent. So it's like, are you 275 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 3: all in on Sam Donald? Because if you draft or 276 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 3: if you signed Sam Donald to a multi year deal, 277 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 3: you're probably not drafting a quarterback if you're the Giants, 278 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 3: if you're the Titans, if you're the Raiders, But if 279 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 3: you take Cousins or Rogers, you know, you're probably still 280 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 3: have no problem drafting a quarterback really high. So I 281 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 3: think Darnold would be the one guy that would just 282 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 3: get signed and immediately become, you know, kind of not 283 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 3: your long term starter, but at least in the immediate 284 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 3: next couple of year starter. 285 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 2: What do you expect combine starts on Thursday? Shador standers 286 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: won't work out at the combine, which has become kind 287 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: of a trend with quarterbacks. What are you expecting? What 288 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: are you looking for? 289 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, Shador is a good example of like, 290 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 3: coming into this year, every important college director slash assistant 291 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 3: GM saw him play life. He was such a big 292 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 3: prospect coming into the season. There is not an NFL 293 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 3: team worth their salt, and every team, once they realized 294 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 3: we needed a quarterback probably saw him multiple times play game. 295 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 3: So it's the combine for him. And I'd even say 296 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 3: the same thing about cam Ward. Remember when he transferred 297 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 3: to Miami, he was the number one essentially free agent 298 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 3: college football. I think it would go for him as well, 299 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 3: which wouldn't shock me if he doesn't throw. Though, Chador isn't, 300 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 3: you know, some elite prospect in terms of his qualities, Like, 301 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 3: if you're Josh Allen, you should throw at the combine. 302 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 3: Why you're throwing one hundred miles an hour. I remember 303 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson when he got all the pushback about Pollan's 304 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 3: common about the wide receiver. He's like, I'm not gonna run. 305 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 3: It's like, Lamar, you're gonna run a four to two. 306 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 3: Everyone's head's gonna turn and you're gonna be the talk 307 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 3: of the combine. It was a mistake not running. Now, 308 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 3: granted it all worked out. I don't blame Chador for 309 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 3: not throwing in this environment because it's not the best environment. 310 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 3: If I'm cam Ward, you have a huge arm, throw, yeah, 311 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 3: I would No one cares about completions and completions you're 312 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 3: throwing people you don't know. Let that ball rip as 313 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 3: all the coaches and gms are sitting there in the 314 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 3: boxes and in the seats right there in Indy. So 315 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 3: I think those two guys and a huge part of 316 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 3: the combine is the interviews. And with a quarterback, and 317 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 3: I would throw Jackson Darton here, who I think is 318 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 3: gonna gain some momentum as a potential first round pick. 319 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 3: Is the person like, what are you like as guy? 320 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 3: I mean last year you see some of these clips, 321 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 3: it was a pretty high level class. You know, Jane 322 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 3: Daniel's really high level guy. Obviously Caleb everyone had known 323 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 3: him for years and he was a lot to go 324 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 3: number one. But Drake May, Michael Pennix, I mean, the 325 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 3: bo Nicks, JJ McCarthy. So it was like that they're 326 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 3: gonna crush these interviews. Coaches, this is the first the 327 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 3: gms and the scouts have been watching these guys for years. 328 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 3: The coaches, you know, NFL coaches don't really watch as 329 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 3: much college football as the average fan would think. The 330 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 3: head coach might have it on, you know, Andy Reid does, 331 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 3: but a lot of guys are just sco tunnel vision. 332 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 3: They don't know that much about these players and definitely 333 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 3: have never met him and a lot of times haven't 334 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 3: really evaluated them. So this is kind of their first exposure. 335 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 3: So meeting them as a human being and getting to 336 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 3: know the guy and getting to know like their football 337 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 3: smarts and their football IQ. It's a huge, huge moment 338 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 3: for all the guys that you know, we're in the 339 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 3: mix to. I mean, all these guys are draft We're 340 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 3: gonna get drafted, the majority of the guys going to Combine, 341 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 3: but definitely the guys that have like the ability to 342 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 3: get drafted in the first round. I mean there's just 343 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 3: a lot of money on the line, you know, getting drafted. 344 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: Ygh. 345 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Combine's interesting. I think I was into it 346 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 2: more ten years ago, and I think some coaches feel 347 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 2: the same way. They don't necessarily some go, some don't. 348 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 2: I have you been surprised as a former NFL scout, 349 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: some of these coaching staffs just don't go anymore. They 350 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: just say I'm not going, not wasting my time. Does 351 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 2: that surprise you? 352 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly has bothered me in the past because I go, well, 353 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 3: Belichick always went, and now I'll promise you this, Andy 354 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 3: Reid's going to be there. It's like, well, if the 355 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 3: best guy's there and values it. It doesn't mean he 356 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 3: goes to everything, but he values meeting the guys because 357 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 3: there's one thing to evaluate them off a tape. Everything's taped, yeah, right, 358 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 3: your workout and even your interviews, and some of these 359 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 3: guys now can be there in a zoom interview. There 360 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 3: is a big difference if you're interviewing someone to be 361 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 3: the thirteenth overall pick standing there and talking to him 362 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 3: and meeting him, seeing him face to face than zooming him. 363 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 3: So I do believe you should go. I saw my 364 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 3: guy Tim Kala Kami in the Bay Area, Kyle Shanahan 365 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 3: like McVeigh stop going. Well, it's one thing when you're 366 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 3: going to the Super Bowl or the NFC Championship every year. 367 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 3: He reported, Kyle's probably gonna go this year. Kind of 368 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 3: need to meet these guys. But my thing is like, 369 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 3: if the top coach is there and the Sandy Reid 370 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 3: runs the league, like, you should be there. And so 371 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 3: I do believe there's value, not in like your change 372 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 3: of direction in a condra okay, but like you might 373 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 3: draft this guy in the second round. It's kind of 374 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 3: gonna be a big deal when it's like a year 375 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 3: in you hate the kid and it's your own fault 376 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 3: when you didn't put in max effort to get to 377 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 3: know him, to get to meet him every opportunity. I mean, 378 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,239 Speaker 3: at this point in time, the salary CAP's almost three 379 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 3: hundred million dollars. It's pretty big business. Yeah, you know, 380 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 3: these are your most important assets. So I do think 381 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 3: the value is more less about the running and catching 382 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 3: the gauntlet drill and more just sitting with the kid 383 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 3: and interviewing them and being there with your coordinators. Not 384 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 3: every coach needs to go, but to me, the head 385 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 3: coach and the coordinators should all be present with the 386 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 3: with the scouting staff. 387 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 2: There are certain things that are just innate. They're true. 388 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 2: You can't argue them. There's going to be a couple 389 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 2: players in the top fifteen that will be busts. They 390 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 2: just won't be very good, and for a variety of issues. 391 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 2: Some I mean, Romadonze is talented, he wasn't as good 392 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 2: as I thought as a rookie I think he'll I mean, 393 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 2: I thought that'd be more splash, but I think. 394 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 3: A lot of it was. 395 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: It was such a mess, you know, it was all 396 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 2: a mess, and I think he'll bounce back. I'm gonna 397 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 2: throw Travis Hunter out as a player that could be, 398 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 2: that could underachieve. So I don't doubt he's good enough 399 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 2: to be a number two receiver in the NFL and 400 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 2: a number one corner. I don't doubt either, but to 401 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 2: ask to be both, I mean, if you had a 402 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 2: great linebacker who also played tight end, it's undeniable that 403 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 2: the physical toll would hurt what your best at. I 404 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 2: would put him at corner, but he wants to be 405 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 2: a receiver. I don't know if he's a number one 406 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 2: receiver in the NFL. Maybe on a weaker team. He's 407 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: certainly good enough. But you can't be a number one 408 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 2: receiver if you have a young quarterback who's trying to 409 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 2: get reps confidence in timing. It's a timing position. Running 410 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 2: Back isn't Cornerback isn't you can I mean high school 411 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 2: to college, college to the pros running back in cornerback, 412 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 2: you can walk in and just play. You could just 413 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: I mean those are two positions. I've been told this forever. 414 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 2: You would know this is a scout running back in cornerback. 415 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 2: You could miss some of camp, you could be a 416 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 2: you could have a contract hold out. You're ready to 417 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: play week one or week two. 418 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 3: Well, it's a very instinctive PAUSI yeah, both of them. 419 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 2: Wide receiver, Especially with a young quarterback, it's a timing position. 420 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 2: Help Brady was an old quarterback. If he didn't trust 421 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 2: you'd be in the right spot, Tom would ghost you. 422 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 2: I think Travis Hunter, I think this coming to a 423 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 2: bad team, he'll have a lot of leverage. He'll play 424 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,959 Speaker 2: both ways. I could see that being a problem. 425 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 3: Well, you know, and we'll find out. It was just 426 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 3: a name on a paper. Did announce he's going to 427 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 3: the combine as a corner. Now all the top guys 428 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 3: will be interviewed, they go to the podium. It'll be 429 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 3: interesting if he says, I'm here as a corner, but 430 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 3: I also plan on playing wide receiver. I do think 431 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 3: it's fair to say most high level people in any 432 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 3: industry are very singular focused, and it is very difficult 433 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 3: to spread yourself thin, especially when you're factory in youth. 434 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 3: I mean he's very young. I think it's impossible to 435 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 3: go do what he did. What he did in college 436 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 3: was the Big twelve, wasn't the SEC or the Big ten, 437 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 3: but it was still one of the greatest athletic achievements 438 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 3: we've ever seen. The amount of snaps he's playing, do 439 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 3: you agree, Oh yeah, But if you're going to be 440 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 3: a both way corner wide receiver just playing corner alone, 441 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 3: think of the wide receivers right now in the NFL, 442 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 3: the talent on a weekly basis of just pick up 443 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 3: a random team who their schedule is. On a week 444 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 3: you're chasing those guys for sixty seventy snaps. He would 445 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 3: be the number one corner and then you would try 446 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 3: to play full time wide receiver. I think it would 447 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,719 Speaker 3: be borderline impossible. On the body. I don't think it's 448 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 3: And you go back to look at Deon Sanders, I 449 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 3: don't even think he had that many catches in his career. 450 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 3: And this is and Dion, I mean, was just a 451 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 3: better prospect. Yes, I mean, try sound is a great prospect. 452 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 3: Give me a break. Deon's one of the greatest athletes 453 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 3: in the history of America. So I do think he 454 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 3: just needs to focus on one of the positions, and 455 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 3: I hope and I think he's making the right decision 456 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 3: right now at corner, and then he can be at 457 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 3: just a high level corner. I don't think it's possible 458 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 3: to go both ways. I don't think any team wants 459 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 3: him to be. That doesn't mean you can't, you know, 460 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 3: Ben Johnson type coordinator can't run a trick for him, 461 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 3: bring him in on offense. They used to do that 462 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 3: with Dion when I was a kid. But like, I 463 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 3: want you to be a lockdown corner, Derek Stingley, He's 464 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 3: probably gonna get a hundred million dollars offseason. Why because 465 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 3: he goes up against your number one wide receiver who 466 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 3: are all making one hundred and eighty million dollars and 467 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 3: locks him down. Derevas did it, Sherman did it? You 468 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 3: get paid a lot of money, and he's it's more 469 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 3: valuable because find it's much easier to find a wide 470 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 3: receiver than it is a corner. There just aren't that many. 471 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 3: Most teams don't have one good corner, right The teams 472 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 3: that have two are like complete outliers in the nation. Yets. Yeah, 473 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 3: So I hope he stays just at one now we'll 474 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 3: see I think, you know, Dion, who's essentially like feels 475 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 3: like his father, constantly talks like he's going to do 476 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 3: both ways, like, so he's not slowing it down. And 477 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 3: I do think Dion speaks for Travis a little bit, 478 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 3: and Travis hasn't walked away from it. So I do 479 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 3: think it's going to be interesting to see in Indy 480 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 3: when he talks exactly what he says, because if he 481 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 3: does say like, I plan on doing both like he's 482 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 3: telling you like, eventually you got to just listen to 483 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 3: what he's saying and believe him. 484 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 2: Who's scoring big in the NBA this season? You are 485 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 2: all the new ways to get in on the action 486 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 2: of Draft Kings sports Book and official sports betting partner 487 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 2: of the NBA Slams, Dishing the ball, cleaning the glass, 488 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: get behind your favorite players. 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He is a podcasting whiz. House of Strauss 517 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 2: to me is my podcast listen of choice, especially on 518 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 2: long walks. I want to talk about the Warriors you 519 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 2: covered for years. So I looked Sportico had a list 520 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 2: today of the five most valuable franchises in the United States. 521 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 2: Three of them are NBA franchises and one was the Warriors. Now, 522 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 2: if I would have told you twenty years ago it's 523 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 2: going to go Cowboys and Golden State Warriors, you anybody 524 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 2: would have thought, what the hell happened? They were a 525 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 2: mess for twenty years. I mean I grew up with 526 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 2: them with Rick Berry in the seventies. You know, they 527 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 2: had some interesting teams Tim Hardaway, but it was just 528 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 2: kind of a dead brand, which the Yankees were, by 529 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: the way, in the eighties, the Don Mattingly years, it 530 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 2: was a dead brand. You can look back and there's 531 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 2: a lot of people that can take credit. But I've 532 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 2: thought about this. The Lakers were very big pre Lebron 533 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 2: and the Cowboys were big before Dak and most of 534 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 2: these organizations that are listed. The Celtics have been big 535 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 2: since Bill Russell. Yeah, but you look at the Warriors 536 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 2: and as somebody that covered them, can you make an 537 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 2: argument if there are eight billion dollar franchise, that's seven 538 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 2: and a half of that have been driven by Steph Curry. 539 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: I know it's the number of a B. I'll say 540 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: that much about it, whatever it is. I feel like 541 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 1: Logan Roy, the Logan Roy line where nobody wanted to 542 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: watch the Warriors, but then we got Steph Curry and 543 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: we got some draft picks, and look at them. It's 544 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: amazing how forgotten it is, how irrelevant they were. And 545 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: I remember being in those locker rooms where a tumblewee 546 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: could have blown through because there's no. 547 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 2: Media at all. 548 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: That's all I got to covering them, Colin, is that 549 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: I was just blogging about them as a fan on 550 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: a fan site, Warriors World, back in the day, and 551 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: I had other jobs that I was doing, and the 552 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: guy running the blog said, you know, we can get 553 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 1: a credential, and I said really, and says, yeah, nobody's 554 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: going to these games like they're desperate for somebody to 555 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: go to one of these games because they've got the 556 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: beat writer and then they've got the other beat writer. 557 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: Half the time, those two beat writers are talking to 558 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: each other and they're saying, Hey, if you don't show 559 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: up to practice, I won't show up to practice. And 560 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 1: then we both get the day off like that was 561 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,719 Speaker 1: happening back then, and nobody would show up to practice 562 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: and get any kind of story. It's been driven by Steph. 563 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: It's been driven by more than Steph. I'm a little 564 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: bit defensive on behalf of your guy, Draymond Green's legacy. 565 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: I know he can annoy people, but I think because 566 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: he annoys people, they start rewriting history. I see people say, 567 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 1: oh my god, drayam am was drafted into the perfect situation. 568 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: Nobody has been drafted into a more perfect situation. And 569 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: I go when he showed up, there was no situation. 570 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: There was no situation to speak of. Nobody cared about 571 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: this team, nobody cared about this franchise. Nobody expected anything 572 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: good on twenty twelve draft night, and that guy was 573 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: a second round pick, no guaranteed spot, and he had 574 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: to scrape claw wrench jobs away from guys getting paid 575 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: a lot more money, with a lot more organizational investment. 576 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: He became the best defensive player of his generation, which 577 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: then merged with Steph Curry being the best offensive player 578 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: of his generation, and a lot of other things have 579 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: gone right in between some other things going wrong. But 580 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: it's a crazy, just miracle of a story. And yeah, 581 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: I think you're right to hit on it that we 582 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: almost take it for granted. We almost act as though 583 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: this has always been a glamour franchise. They've always been here. 584 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: It was not that way they were Clippers North. 585 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 3: It was different. 586 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 2: I think there's an argument to be made, and I 587 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 2: haven't given it that much thought that Steph Curry, more 588 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 2: than any basketball player, football player, golfer, tennis player, or 589 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 2: hockey player changed his individual sport more. I don't think 590 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 2: there's ever been a player in the I mean, oh, 591 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 2: Tawny's great, but we had Babe Ruth. He pitched and 592 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 2: batted too. You look at the great football players, Well, 593 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 2: Mahomes was great, so was John Elway and Dan Marino 594 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 2: and Brett farre and and they're they're I think you're 595 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 2: I mean, Philadelphia has a tush push. People are a 596 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 2: little uncomfortable with it outside of Philadelphia. It's not changing football. 597 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 2: It's just a really good fourth down play. Steph curR 598 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,959 Speaker 2: has changed every single level of basketball. Everything he's changed. 599 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 2: I mean, I just I look at the shots being 600 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 2: taken now, and like anything else, any cultural change is 601 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 2: that at some point they all go south. Like analytics 602 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 2: for baseball, You're like, yeah, the game is more efficient. 603 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 2: Oh wait, now it's more boring. Oh wait, three pointers 604 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 2: the math are better than two pointers. Oh wait, now 605 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 2: it's boring. That's the way analytics all work is that 606 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 2: these are TV products, and initially they make the game 607 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 2: more efficient, and they work on a volume scale regular season, 608 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 2: but ultimately analytics don't generally work in any sport quite 609 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 2: as effectively in postseasons, and they generally aren't good for television. 610 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 2: And so Steph, now there's a little bit of a Okay, 611 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 2: we all fell in love with small ball and Steph, 612 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,959 Speaker 2: but now it's been copied so often and people are 613 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 2: doing at such a a much more a poor level. 614 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 2: They don't I mean, Houston can't shoot, and they're I mean, 615 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 2: we got Wemby and guy is shooting too many threes. 616 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 2: Joel Embiid's never shot more threes. He shoots twenty nine percent. 617 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 2: So but I do think Steph more than any athlete 618 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 2: of my lifetime literally changed Muhammad Ali personality driven athlete. 619 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 2: I think I think he was for a long time 620 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 2: all Lee was what people looked at and went, oh 621 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,719 Speaker 2: my god, look how big you get if you let 622 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 2: your personality out. But I mean, that's just my take 623 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 2: that Steph Curry is probably one of one in a 624 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 2: cultural it's changing of sports esthetic and style of play. 625 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 3: You said a lot there. 626 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,959 Speaker 2: I love this topic is a great topic. 627 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: I totally agree, and I think what's remarkable about Steph 628 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: and we need to add it when we say nobody 629 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: has changed their sport more. When that happens, people can 630 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: become a victim of their own influence. Mike D'Antoni revolutionizes basketball, 631 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: but then he's almost a less he's almost a less 632 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: effective coach because all these other people learn how to 633 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: do it and maybe even refine it and maybe even 634 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: do it better, and he gets overrun and he doesn't 635 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: actually become a championship winning coach. The crazy thing about 636 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: Steph is that he's been doing it for over ten 637 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: years and he has revolutionized the NBA and he's still 638 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: the best at doing it. He showed people the way 639 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: it could be done. He gave them the recipe and 640 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: he's still the best chef cooking it. I didn't mean 641 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: to make a chef curry joke right there, but you 642 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. That's unbelievable to do that, to 643 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: be so influential and yet remain the best at what 644 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: you're doing. Now, the other part of it that you've said, 645 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: the malign influence on the sport with analytics, the optimization problem, 646 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: I think that's real. There are these strange things where 647 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: sometimes we like something when one person does it, but 648 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: we don't like when a bunch of other people are 649 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: doing it. I felt that way about Zachlow's writing. Zach 650 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: Low probably the greatest NBA writer of all time. He 651 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: had a very particular sort of style that was highly 652 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: informational and could be a little bit quirky but was 653 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: fairly dry. But the way he did it was great. 654 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: But so many younger writers coming up and bloggers coming up, 655 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: they wanted to be like Zach Low because Zach was 656 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: the man. And I looked at what they were doing 657 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: and I went, I don't know if I like you 658 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: doing this. It doesn't work when you do it. This 659 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: isn't a recipe that works when somebody else does it. 660 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: It would have been better if you went with something else. 661 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: And maybe even a generation before that, Bill Simmons might 662 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: have been that guy. Or I loved Bill Simmons columns. 663 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,959 Speaker 1: But then I'm watching people try to be irreverent and 664 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: funny in the way Bill did it, and it's just 665 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: this doesn't scale. This isn't what I want, This isn't 666 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: what I want. I just want Bill doing it. That's 667 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: what it feels a little bit like right now. In 668 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: the NBA, where a lot of people loved watching those 669 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: Warriors in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen, not everybody loved watching 670 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: these teams that emulated the three point shooting. As optimization 671 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: takes over and now most of the shots are going 672 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: to be three pointers. 673 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 2: You know what I thought was really interesting because I 674 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 2: thought Caitlin Clark I was really disappointed in the WNBA 675 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 2: is that I thought Caitlin Clark's appeal was very simple. 676 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 2: Holy shit, we found that female Steph Curry. She's taking 677 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 2: shots women don't take. I didn't think there was anything 678 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 2: to it. And when and then all of a sudden, 679 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 2: and she has this Angel Reese. You know, competition in 680 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 2: college like magic and bird. It pivots to the professional 681 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 2: league and it's fascinating. And Angel Reese, I think her 682 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 2: success helps Caitlin Clark. I think it feels Bird Magic, 683 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 2: although I don't think Angel is close to Kaylin as 684 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 2: an influencer. Bird and Magic both had that kind of 685 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 2: ended up the perfect cities. Bird in kind of tough 686 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 2: guy Boston and Magic and you know, showy Los Angeles. 687 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 2: But it was funny because with male sports, I feel 688 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 2: sometimes I feel bad for Caitlin Clark in the WNBA 689 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:22,439 Speaker 2: that people are trying to explain her popularity. Nobody ever 690 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 2: had to explain Steph Curry. It was just did he 691 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 2: just shoot from thirty four feet off balance and make 692 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 2: three in a row? And there's part of me that 693 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 2: feels sympathetic to the WNBA and part of me that doesn't. 694 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 2: First of all, I feel like when you're young, when 695 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 2: Bryce Harper came into baseball, he went through an Andy 696 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 2: duframe tunnel for about three years because he was flashy, right, 697 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 2: and baseball doesn't like flashy. So Caitlin's not the first 698 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 2: athlete the deal with this, Tiger Woods had to deal 699 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 2: with a lot of comments and a lot of traditionalists 700 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 2: pushing back, and the netw only shows type, so Caitlin's 701 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 2: not the first to go through it. But I do 702 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 2: think the WNBA has gotten to a point where I 703 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 2: want to say, girls, girls, she's the female staff. Just 704 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,720 Speaker 2: embrace the hell out of her. You're getting on private jets. 705 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 2: So I tried to be I tried to defend the 706 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 2: WNBA initially, But how does that land for you? Because 707 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 2: I think they've gotten to a point where I'm finding 708 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 2: it hard now, Like if she if the chippy play continues, 709 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 2: you may just lose me as a viewer. 710 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it reminds me of they say 711 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 1: about academia that the fights are so vicious because the 712 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: stakes are so small and the WNBA there wasn't money 713 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: to be made, and so attention is the money. And 714 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 1: suddenly this player comes in and is getting all the attention. 715 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 3: And this is the. 716 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,760 Speaker 1: Primary thing that you care about if you're not getting 717 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: any sort of pay in accordance with what you think 718 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: your value is. And there was a ton of resentment 719 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: towards her, and a lot of people in that league 720 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: seem to get caught up on this whole. 721 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 2: Versus is problem. 722 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: You know, there are people that can really grapple with 723 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: what is, and there are people who get really stuck 724 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: on how it ought to be and they're just fixated 725 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:17,399 Speaker 1: on it. 726 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 3: It ought to be. 727 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: It ought to be Asia Wilson ought to be a 728 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: huge superstar. Asia Wilson ought to be the person Nike 729 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: is promoting because she's the best player in the league, 730 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: and she is the best player. 731 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 2: In the league. 732 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: But that's just not what it is. People are interested 733 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: in Kaitlyn Clark. They like watching Caitlin Clark Asia Wilson's game. 734 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: It's more analogous to a Tim Duncan. People are not 735 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: as interested in that. You can say there's a racial 736 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: element of that. Okay, I don't know what to do 737 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: with that. We can't just replace Caitlyn Clark with somebody else. 738 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,760 Speaker 1: She's the person who showed up for this particular job 739 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: of being Caitlin Clark. She's the one who's resonating. And 740 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: we can either benefit from what it is, or we 741 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 1: can tear apart everybody who's into it and make everybody 742 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: feel bad about it and try to stop it from happening. 743 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: That ladder move seems completely insane to me, and yet 744 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,399 Speaker 1: it's entirely infected. 745 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 2: A lot of the coverage of the. 746 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: WNBA from people who support the league at least support it, 747 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: you know, in quotations, because they're not helping it when 748 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: they go about it that way. And even the you know, 749 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: Time magazine and even some of these publications that covered 750 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: it's like they're scared, they're worried if they're not giving 751 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: enough attention to the other players. 752 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:36,839 Speaker 2: Look at the history of basketball. Kareem Janis Jokic did 753 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 2: not move the ratings needle. Yeah, Steph Michael, smaller players did. 754 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 2: This is the history of basketball. Is that. My son's 755 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 2: not a sports fan. He likes Steph Curry because he 756 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 2: feels like, oh, I could do that. I'm not. I'm 757 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 2: not that huge. Steve Nash had a wildly entertaining game. 758 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 2: He wasn't a dunk machine. I didn't think as a 759 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,280 Speaker 2: kid growing up, Bob Lanier was fascinating. This game didn't 760 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 2: work for me. So the truth is basketball's history. The 761 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 2: WNBA should take a deep breath and realize basketball's history 762 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 2: is best score. Alex English led the eighties in scoring 763 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,240 Speaker 2: in the NBA. Alex English. There have been so many players. 764 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 2: Kiki Vandaway, I don't remember a basket. He just never missed. 765 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 2: But there are players that are just aunt is dynamic 766 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 2: and fascinating. Kobe was fascinating, but a lot of the 767 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 2: bigs like and that's something we just have to be 768 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,359 Speaker 2: honest about. Russell Westbrook's game. I've said this before. In 769 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,760 Speaker 2: his prime, I had a pay to watch him play. 770 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,240 Speaker 2: He couldn't shoot. I didn't love his handles, but sweet 771 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 2: mother of vertical jump, the guy was like it was 772 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 2: popcorn in a hot skillet. He was flying through the air. 773 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 2: So the NBA is so caught up on Well, she's 774 00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 2: the leading scorer. People like different and no other woman 775 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 2: shot thirty three footers. It's that simple. 776 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, they like what they like. 777 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: Not even Logan Roy could make Asia Wilson the biggest 778 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: sneaker saleswoman in basketball, and it's no distraction from her game. 779 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: She's excellent, But she's somebody, especially in the time story 780 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,399 Speaker 1: when she did an event with the two K video game, 781 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: who's just complaining about the lack of attention she's gotten 782 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 1: and how it's not in accordance and it's not at 783 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,360 Speaker 1: the level it should be at and it's look, life 784 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 1: to a certain degree is not fair, and that's actually 785 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: what makes basketball sort of fascinating to me. That's why 786 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,840 Speaker 1: I wrote the Steph Curry article in twenty sixteen. There's 787 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: this ineffable charisma of stardom, of superstardom that you just 788 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: know it when you see it, and we're not always 789 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 1: sure about all the elements you need for it to 790 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 1: happen and for you to really pop in the way 791 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 1: that Michael Jordan did in the way that Alan Iverson did, 792 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 1: in a totally different way, in the way that Steph 793 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,720 Speaker 1: Curry did. And the people who do it are worth 794 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: billions of dollars to the league and to these sneaker companies. 795 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 1: And then there are players who are effectively at the 796 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: same tier or level that just can't and just don't 797 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 1: and there's just something human about it, and it just 798 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 1: is what it is, and you're just going to make 799 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: yourself miserable trying to figure out how it ought to 800 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: be and change reality. 801 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,720 Speaker 2: Ethan Strauss his podcast is House of Strauss. He's got 802 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 2: a wide variety of guests. He is a podcaster with dexterity. 803 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 2: He can talk business, he can talk sports, he can 804 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 2: talk media. You and Glass Piegle get all. You know. 805 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite You guys get into the 806 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 2: into the weeds on stuff, which I'm completely fascinated by, 807 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 2: and you do all this amazing homework and I just 808 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 2: want you to know I don't know the download numbers, 809 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 2: but all that all that wonky media stuff for a 810 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 2: guy that's been in that probably too long, I find fascinating. 811 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,879 Speaker 1: Buddy, Oh, I really appreciate that. And thanks so much 812 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: for all the kind words. And this has been fantastic. 813 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:07,439 Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Colin. 814 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 3: The volume