1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. Hulet's go, Let's go, 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: Let's go, Giants. Get out my Giants bubbling, give me 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: some jerms. Part of the Giants podcast Network. Let's Roll. 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Totle Podcast. I 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 2: am John Schmelkes. All brought to you by Citizens, the 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 2: official bank of the New York Football Giants. 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: Now we welcome in. 8 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: Devin mccordy played for the Patriots from twenty ten to 9 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. You can see his coverage of Sunday 10 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: Night football on Football Night of America. It starts at 11 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: seven pm on NBC on Sunday Night coverage of Giants 12 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: and Bengals. Then, of course, stay tuned after the game 13 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 2: of the Peacock Sunday Night Football Final as well. 14 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: Devin good to see a man, a fellow Jersey guy. 15 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 3: How are you, dude, good Man? 16 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 4: It's as fun being back in Jersey because every time 17 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 4: and everywhere I go, I get reminded that I lost 18 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 4: to the Giants in a Super Bowl. I just was 19 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 4: at school pickup and Justin's tutsun came up to my 20 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 4: son and asked them for a gusher. My son said no, 21 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 4: he was like, see, I was gonna tell my dad 22 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 4: not to beat your dad in the Super Bowl anymore. 23 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 3: But hey and I just laughed. 24 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 4: So always fun being back here and living here now 25 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 4: and fun watching these games every Sunday. 26 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: Luckily, you have enough Super Bowl rings sitting there that 27 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 2: I think you can handle that just fine. 28 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 3: You know, I told him that I had to let 29 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 3: them know absolutely. 30 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: Now, Devin, you've been out to Giants camp a couple 31 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 2: times over the summer, So before we get to where 32 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 2: they are now, what were your impressions in terms of 33 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 2: how Joe Shane and Brian Dabile run the building, how 34 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 2: they put things together, and kind of what you saw 35 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 2: as this team prepared for the season. 36 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 4: For one, that was awesome being in the building, And 37 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 4: for me, the thing that stuck out was just the movement. 38 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 3: Now, how many different people were around. 39 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 4: Like, as a player, I think about that like you're 40 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 4: walking through and if you're a linebacker, Carl Banks is 41 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 4: in there eating lunch, you can go up to Carl. 42 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 3: Banks and ask him about the game of football. 43 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 4: John Marra was in there having lunch, talking to guys, 44 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 4: doing different things. So when I look and I see that, 45 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 4: that looks like an organization where everyone's involved. They all 46 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 4: have roles and everybody's accessed, but whenever you're a player, 47 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 4: and you know, luckily for me being in New England, 48 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,639 Speaker 4: it was very similar with Craft being in there, Andre 49 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 4: Tip at the Hall of Fame, like these people always 50 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 4: moving around and accessible to the coaches, to the players, 51 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 4: and then on field watching the team go through different things. 52 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 3: Obviously, the first thing that stuck out to. 53 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 4: Me was Malite Neighbors was pretty was pretty damn good 54 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 4: because each practice we went to he was making high 55 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 4: flying plays. I drafted him early in my fantasy league. 56 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 4: That's been paying it off so far. But yeah, I 57 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 4: just think that team operates and they move in a 58 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 4: very professional way. I think Brian Dabble obviously sets the 59 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 4: table gets everybody going. It starts with him, but just 60 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 4: the way that they attack practice, the energy and then 61 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 4: get the opportunity to just be here around the coaches. 62 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 4: It just seems like they have a really good staff 63 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 4: working together and I think the thing so far, and 64 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 4: I've watched them this year, as. 65 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 3: You can see, they just continue to build everyone. 66 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 4: You know, you're in New York and New Jersey area, 67 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 4: everyone goes crazy after every game. If you win, hey man, 68 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 4: this team has a chance to, you know, be a 69 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 4: real contender. If you lose is get rid of everybody. 70 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 4: This is terrible. So but I think when you watched 71 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 4: the Giants, it's just been it's just been building. They're 72 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 4: getting better and better and it shows Sunday the way 73 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 4: they play Seattle. 74 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, you could not be more right before we get 75 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 2: to that Seattle game. He has a curiosity. How much of a 76 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 2: relationship did you have with Brian Dabele? He was an 77 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 2: offensive guy, if I believe, for the whole time when 78 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: you were in New England you were on defense. 79 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: But you know Daves's Dames. He kind of operates his 80 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: own way. 81 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 2: So how how much of a close relationship did you 82 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: have with him? 83 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 4: You see I smile right away when you ask the question, 84 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 4: because our relationship was usually talking trash to each other. 85 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 4: Dave A was coaching the tight ends, so I was 86 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 4: playing safety. So the tight end and safety one on ones. 87 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 4: If Gronk made a play on me or Patrick Chugg, 88 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 4: Dabe will be over there and making some kind of 89 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 4: gesture or come walk up behind you and the end 90 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 4: of practice, put his arm around you and say something 91 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 4: that Gronk did or he had crack a joke walking 92 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 4: off the field. 93 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 3: So Dable was the kind of guy that, even though 94 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 3: he coached offense, he just had. 95 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 4: A relationship with so many different guys in the building, 96 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 4: whether it was telling jokes or tell us stories, talking about. 97 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: How you know him and josh mcdamons uhould be coaching 98 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 3: the DVS. 99 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 4: There's just so many different things with Daves and that's why, 100 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 4: like I enjoy going back and talking to him and 101 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 4: seeing his team because I know the type of guy is. 102 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, you mentioned I think this team has gotten 103 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: better every week. What jumped out at you in terms 104 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 2: of the next steps they took winning in Seattle on Sunday. 105 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: First of all, no procedural penalties in that building is 106 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: a minor miracle. Great job doing that. And then to 107 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: win that game without Molik Neighbors and Devin Singletary, Where 108 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 2: did you see the big jump that allowed them to 109 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 2: walk out of that building with a win? 110 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 3: Yeah? 111 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 4: I think the first thing we talked about without Singletary 112 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 4: and Neighbors was to us in New England, like we 113 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 4: would sometimes split the team up, and you know, Joshua 114 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 4: coach won one offense and Dable would coach the other 115 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,679 Speaker 4: offense was as soon as we got in the meeting, 116 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 4: like Davia would grab some of the defensive guys and 117 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 4: be like, Hey, I'm gonna put you guys out there 118 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 4: for a play. I designed this play. And that's what 119 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 4: I felt Sunday. He's always been a great game plan 120 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 4: offensive coordinator. When he was in Buffalo, they would give 121 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 4: us nightmares thinking about the kind of trick play, whether 122 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 4: it be wildcat or something he would go to. Because 123 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 4: one time we played in without Josh Allen and Derek 124 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 4: Anderson that came in. So he added all these new 125 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 4: wrinkles to try to get us to get back to 126 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 4: the sideline prepare. Hey, he's gonna do this, this this, 127 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 4: So he's always been really good at all. Right, this 128 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 4: is what I have, This is their scheme. This is 129 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 4: how I'm going to attack them for just this game. 130 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 4: Maybe we won't do it next week, but for this 131 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 4: game it'll help. And what I love what they did 132 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 4: on defense was it looked like it was a little 133 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 4: bit more disguising, a little bit more blitzes, but it 134 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 4: didn't happen right away. It was guys aligned in their 135 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 4: regular position, whether it was five or six yards off 136 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 4: the ball, and then on a snap they're blitzing. Somebody's 137 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 4: rotating late, and it made Gino hold the ball for 138 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 4: a second. And you know, like I know, Thibodeau burns 139 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 4: sexy dexy inside. You can't hold the ball against that 140 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 4: defensive front. So the pressure, I think that was really 141 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 4: the difference that gave Seattle trouble most of the day. 142 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll get to the defense with you, since you 143 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: just brought it up. The Giants very quietly lead the 144 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 2: NFL in sacks right now with twenty two. I don't 145 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 2: think if he asked a lot of people that they 146 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 2: would guess that. And what jumps out to me, Devin, 147 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 2: is that a lot of times teams that compile these 148 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 2: sacks is because they're playing with fourteen point leads, twenty 149 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: one point leads and second half you can just say, 150 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: all right, go, go go, you're gonna pick up three 151 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 2: sacks in the fourth quarter when the team's just trying 152 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 2: to throw it every down. The Giants to play close games. 153 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 2: They have a negative point differential this year. So the 154 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: fact that there are twenty two sacks with that type 155 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 2: of game flow in each of these games, to me, 156 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: is even more impressive. 157 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think if I'm the Giants, I'm Joe Shane, 158 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 4: I'm looking like so I expect this team is built 159 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 4: from the defense to line back, like that's where they 160 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 4: invested the money, that's where they have the top draft picks, 161 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 4: Like they have to expect. 162 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 3: Those guys to carry this defense. And they have been 163 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 3: doing that. 164 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 4: And this hasn't all been great, but I think they 165 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 4: really kind of found a rhythm of how they want 166 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 4: to play. And I'm interested to see how much they 167 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 4: how many different things they do in the game of Okay, 168 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 4: we show Seattle this that's only going to set up 169 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 4: for us, and now bring this pressure the opposite way, 170 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 4: or mix and matching some different things. They have a 171 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 4: very elite type of matchup nightmare and Isaiah Simmons of 172 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 4: you can put him all around the field. We saw 173 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 4: obviously the block field goal at the end, his athleticism. 174 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 4: So I'm interested to see how they kind of build 175 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 4: off of this. And I like what they did last 176 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 4: week two of letting banks kind of stay on one 177 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 4: side for the most part, not. 178 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 3: Matching all over the place. 179 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 4: I think sometimes when you do that, the spotlight goes 180 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 4: on banks, but it really takes your whole secondary. 181 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 3: To be in tune. 182 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 4: We used to do that in New England, but that 183 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,559 Speaker 4: whole week we had some veteran corners. Gilmour, my brother, 184 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 4: Jonathan Jones was young was younger. JC Jackson was a rookie, 185 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 4: so we were able to manipulate and put those guys 186 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 4: in different places. But those guys have so much communication 187 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 4: in a week of Okay, when they do this, we're 188 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 4: gonna do it. So it pushed a lot of pressure 189 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 4: in It look like it's settle things down a little 190 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 4: bit in the back end of Hey, for the most part, 191 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 4: you're just gonna go left, fly, you're gonna go right. 192 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 4: Andrew Phillips back in the middle, I think was big 193 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 4: for them, and I think that helped their defense a lot, 194 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 4: especially in the secondary. 195 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: And especially you're gonna play a lot of his own. 196 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 2: You want to have that communication right where you're talking, 197 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: and you know, you talked about the movement after the snap. 198 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 2: You know, they were showing two deep safeties the whole game. 199 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: But you know what, sometimes they would stay in quarters. 200 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 2: Sometimes they would drop one of the safeties into that 201 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: robbers spot in the middle of the field, right? Is 202 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 2: that what you think makes Shane Bowen's defense effective? His 203 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 2: ability to disguise show that too high safety. Now, why 204 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: the Seahawks didn't try to run Kenneth Walker Moore against 205 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 2: those two high safeties, I don't know the answer to that. 206 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: I don't know where to write the thank you card 207 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 2: because that was very helpful for the Giants of that game. 208 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: But is that what you like about Bowen's defense, the 209 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 2: way he kind of tries to manipulate the quarterback trying 210 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 2: to disguise his own coverages. 211 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I came in a preseason I sat in one 212 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 4: of the meetings and I'm like, man, I normally played 213 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 4: in one system, but I cannot figure out some of 214 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 4: these coverages because it was so many different guys moving around. 215 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 3: And when you play, you can get away with not 216 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 3: doing all that. 217 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 4: But when you played the good quarterbacks in the NFL, 218 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 4: you cannot just line up and say, hey, we're gonna 219 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 4: go play. 220 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 3: Do what you do. 221 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 4: We're gonna do what we do because those guys are 222 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 4: good for a reason. And you had to do it 223 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 4: against Geno Smith, and you really have to do a 224 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 4: Sunday night against Joe Burrow because as I watched Cincinnati's 225 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 4: game last week against Baltimore, who's a really good defense. 226 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 4: Baltimore for the most part, lined up in what they 227 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 4: were in and they just played. And Joe Borrow said, Okay, 228 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 4: you want to do that. You want to show me 229 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 4: Jamar Chase has one on one. You want to show me. 230 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 4: T Higgins is one on one. Don't worry about it. 231 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 4: I'm going to those guys over and over again, and 232 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 4: I think that'll help the Giants' defense. Just being able 233 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 4: to mix things up too high, one high, one high 234 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 4: that looks like one high, that goes to too high, 235 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 4: two high that looks like too high, goes to one. 236 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 4: Just having different guys do different things. Making a quarterback 237 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 4: get the ball and then have to think and process 238 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 4: makes things a lot harder than the NFL. 239 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 5: You're ready for a change. Pay Day comes early with Citizens, 240 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 5: so go to that retreat. Knew you moves to the country. 241 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 5: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. 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Yeah, Joe Borrow is an assassin. 249 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 2: I mean he to me, he's basically like the Joe 250 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 2: Montana of the modern era, just in the way he operates. 251 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: And we'll get to the Bengals in a second last 252 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 2: question on the defense, Devin before he jump to the offense. 253 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: You play with Vince Wilfork one of the best NOS 254 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: tackles we've seen. How much does Dexter Lawrence remind you 255 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: of him? Or is Dexter maybe even a little bit 256 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 2: of a better athlete than Vince was. 257 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, and hopefully Vince will never see this because he's 258 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 4: a very sensitive, big guy. 259 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 3: Dexter Lawrence is. He's a little bit of a different animal, 260 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 3: you know. 261 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 4: With with Vince, everything was built off straight intimidation. And 262 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 4: it wasn't intimidation because you thought he was gonna do something. No, 263 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 4: it was because on the snap every once in a while, 264 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 4: he wasn't gonna have to just stay at the line 265 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 4: and too gap you you know, Bill was gonna let 266 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 4: him go free. And on the snap he was gonna 267 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 4: come take this center and drive him all the way back, 268 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 4: where Dexta Lawrence has a little bit of Hey, I 269 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 4: can drive you straight back. I can also fake you 270 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 4: one way, go around you the other way. It's just 271 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 4: he's on the field. He can play every single down 272 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 4: and be dominant. 273 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 3: Across the board. 274 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 4: And it's it's fun to watch because when you see 275 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 4: him in person, he's obviously he's a big guy, but 276 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 4: he's not the you know, six ' five, three hundred 277 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 4: and fifteen pounds like, But he can move, he can 278 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 4: do different things. And you know, I think Vince Wolfer 279 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 4: is a good comparison because a lot of people didn't 280 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 4: know Vins had very good quickness, could do different things. 281 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 4: But he was just in the NFL in a time 282 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 4: where being a noseguard and being able to stand at 283 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 4: Deliana sprimmage and move a guy and two gap was 284 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 4: a thing. Whereas I would have loved to see him 285 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 4: doing kind of what Desah Lawrence is doing. 286 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 3: But yeah, Desta Lawrence sets the tone for the Giants. 287 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 4: Defense because as good as those guys are on the edge, 288 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 4: if you don't get a middle push, the quarterback is 289 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 4: just gonna step up and throw the ball wherever he wants. 290 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 4: But Desta Lawrence in the middle of that defense. Getting 291 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 4: that pressure and not allowing quarterbacks to step up makes 292 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 4: everything and everybody better around him. 293 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: All right, let's jump to the offense. You mentioned Elie Neighbors. 294 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 2: It's been a ton of fun watching him and camped 295 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 2: in the first four games in the impressive thing. The 296 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 2: Giants figure out to beat Seattle with Adham on the 297 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 2: field last week. So from a defensive back perspective, is 298 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 2: someone that would have the game plan against the elite Neighbors? 299 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: How do you handle him? What are the challenges for 300 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: a defensive back? 301 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 2: And then how do you think the Giants work him 302 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: now back into the game plan after having so much 303 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 2: success last week? 304 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's easy. We double him. 305 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 4: We say, militue Neighbors. You're gonna see two guys all game. 306 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 4: We're gonna w to the point you get frustrated. We're 307 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 4: gonna w so much that even when we don't, w's 308 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 4: gonna start to look like a double. And then we're 309 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,719 Speaker 4: gonna lead. And I say that because my time in 310 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 4: the league, when we played guys like that, that's what 311 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 4: we did. We took our middlefield safety and say, you 312 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 4: know what, we're gonna play without you, and you're gonna 313 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 4: you're gonna go and you're gonna double Calvin Johnson. You're 314 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 4: gonna double DeAndre Hopkins. Like, we're not gonna let that 315 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 4: guy walk away with fifteen eighteen targets, twelve catches, one 316 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 4: hundred and sixty yards in a touchdown or two to 317 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 4: like we know that happens, we're probably gonna lose. I 318 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 4: think now though, the pressure for defenses is he didn't play, Darius. 319 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 3: Slaton stepped up and made big plays. Wendell Robinson stepped 320 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 3: up and became a go to guy. So now you're like, 321 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 3: all right, how do we want to match this up? 322 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 3: How do we want to play? Because we know they 323 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 3: have the ability to get to. 324 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 4: Different guys, and I think now the challenge is gonna 325 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 4: be fordable to get elite neighbors back involved, but also 326 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 4: make this offense explosive by maybe it's a jail and 327 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 4: highat day where we get him matched up backside and 328 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 4: the coverage is all rotated to Neighbors and Robinson because 329 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 4: we have them boat on one side, and now it 330 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 4: gets hied a chance. Hey go win on this route 331 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 4: and we'll find you. So and you know, I think 332 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 4: that that could be a key for this Giants offense 333 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 4: taking all with other guys now stepping up and making plays. 334 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 2: All right, here's a nerdy defensive football question. How did 335 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 2: you prefer to double team of receiver? Did you like 336 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 2: the bracket? Did you like two guys literally at the 337 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 2: line of scrimmage on the guy? Did you like safety 338 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 2: over the top, corner press? What did you think the 339 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 2: most effective way was to double team a wide receiver? 340 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 4: It all mattered who you played, so you could go 341 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 4: bracking it and what we call in and out on 342 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 4: receivers that you thought you had enough speed that if 343 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 4: they stuck their putting the ground and went vertical, you 344 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 4: can run with them. When you had the guys like 345 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 4: Antonio Brown as a perfect example, he was a guy. 346 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 3: Do we want to go in and out? Probably because 347 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 3: he had an elite quickness. 348 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 4: So asking a guy to stay underneath and a guy 349 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 4: on the top and him being able to use this 350 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 4: quickness is going to be tough. 351 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 3: But then you're aligned. 352 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 4: But he also has his speed to stick in his 353 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 4: prison ground and go vertical. And I would say very 354 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 4: similar to elite neighbors, really good quickness intermediate routes can 355 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 4: run those routes, catch it and go get yards. But 356 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 4: also you're like, but he can go vertical. So to me, 357 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 4: I would play where we would we would switch it up. 358 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 4: Sakan would always start high, but sometimes he would drop 359 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 4: in and we would brack it. Other times he would 360 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 4: stay high and the corner would play underneath trail to 361 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 4: try to mix it up so the offense didn't get 362 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 4: a beat on what you were doing. 363 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: That's interesting, So you want to keep the guy guessing 364 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: in terms of how they beat those outly that now 365 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 2: that makes sense, all right, Daniel Jones, Hey, a really 366 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 2: tough first week against Minnesota. Since then, Devin I ran 367 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: the numbers eighth in the NFL in passing yard, seventh 368 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: in passing tds, ninth and adjusted completion rate, six touchdowns, 369 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 2: one pick, tenth in quarterback rating. And I think we've 370 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 2: seen him get better every week. He looks comfortable in 371 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 2: the pocket. He's navigating the pocket well, getting the ball 372 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 2: out quick. He finally hit two deep balls this week 373 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 2: after struggling with that the first four. 374 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: What have you seen from Daniel Jones? 375 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 4: From one I got to spend some time when we 376 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 4: were at Jason Garrett's football campaign. Just an awesome person, 377 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 4: and I think he's now developing into the type of 378 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 4: player and person he needs to be to be a 379 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 4: quarterback in New York. Forget what everybody is saying if 380 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 4: you play bad, he played poorly. It is what it is. 381 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 4: Can't change it, can't do anything about it. And that's 382 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 4: what it seems like it's been happening. 383 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 3: Over the last few weeks. 384 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 4: The Dallas game plays a pretty good game, but the 385 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 4: game ultimately came down to the elite Neighbors double move. 386 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 4: We need a better throw. He probably scores, they jump 387 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 4: off side. Darius Slayton is clean by we need a 388 00:16:58,680 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 4: better throw. 389 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 3: It's probably a touchdown. 390 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 4: You come back as a player, you hear that and 391 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 4: you say, I knew that already. 392 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 3: I got it. 393 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 4: I understand completely. And so where do you see that 394 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 4: in the next game? Darrin Slaying gets behind Danny Dines 395 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 4: throws it in their good throw touchdown. That's the type 396 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 4: of player that it seems like he can be, and 397 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 4: I think he's getting to the point of saying, you 398 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 4: know what, forget. 399 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 3: Everybody like, I'm just gonna go and what I love. 400 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 4: Dabile unlocked a little bit of what we saw two 401 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 4: years ago in the playoff game gives Minnesota Daniel Jones 402 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 4: running the ball, making some players with his legs design 403 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 4: quarterback runs because even though they might not be big games, 404 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 4: but even if it never turns into a big game, 405 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 4: it's another thing. As a defense you have to gain 406 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 4: plan for, you have to be ready for Daniel Jones 407 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 4: running the ball, and that all that does is bring 408 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 4: an extra guy in the box and makes it easier 409 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 4: for Daniel Jones now when he drops back and throws 410 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 4: the ball, to have less guys to look at and 411 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 4: have better matchups with his receivers. 412 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: And look, I think you this. 413 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 2: I just think people always on the rate how important 414 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,719 Speaker 2: the ecosystem around the quarterback can be. And the improved 415 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 2: protection he has I think has just improved his comfort 416 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 2: level in the pocket. And then having the easy answer 417 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 2: guy in the league nighbors, all right, they're a man. 418 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 2: You know what I'm throwing to every time? That dude 419 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 2: you know, to me exactly, having those two things, I 420 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 2: think just makes it so much easier on a quarterback 421 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 2: who I know, young quarterback shore sixt year, But to me, 422 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 2: that's what's made all the difference here and it's almost 423 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 2: you've watched Jones kind of figure that out during the year, Like, 424 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 2: wait a second, I can actually go through two reads 425 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 2: and not get hit. Wait, I have a guy that 426 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 2: wins one on one every time. This is a lot 427 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 2: easier than it's been the last couple of years. 428 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 4: And the fan base that people need to they need 429 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 4: to give him the love and respect because he's the quarterback. 430 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 4: Like you turn on the Washington game, people are like, oh, man, Neighbors, neighbors, 431 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 4: and we're sending a viewer room and Chris Simms was like, hey, guys, 432 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 4: like Daniel Jones is throwing him those walls, Like this 433 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 4: is Daniel Jones dropping back seeing a coverage, going to 434 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 4: elite neighbors, understanding where to throw the ball, when to 435 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 4: throw the ball. 436 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 3: Like, let's give this guy credit. 437 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 4: Let's not just dog him out when it's a bad play, 438 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 4: made a bad throw, and then when he makes good plays, 439 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 4: we say, oh, no, man, Lak Neighbors. 440 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 3: Is just really good. 441 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 4: No, We've watched really good receivers beyond teams and we 442 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 4: walk away and we say, man, only if that guy 443 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 4: had a good quarterback. So when you see Neighbors having 444 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 4: this success, it has a lot to do with Daniel 445 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 4: Jones and helping neighbors understand where you need to be, 446 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 4: where you need to go, and the same thing we 447 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 4: saw Sunday when you lose that the quarterbacks stepping up 448 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 4: telling other guys, Hey Robinson, I need you here, Hey Slate, 449 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 4: I need you to do this. Hey Todd Johnson, this 450 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 4: is what we need. So credit to Daniel Jones, not 451 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 4: just playing a quarterback position, but also his leadership and 452 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 4: what he's doing to help that offense go. 453 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 2: Final one of the offense before he's up to the Bengals. 454 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 2: Quick Here we're joined by Devin mccordy, Tyron Tracy. I'm 455 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 2: sure you saw him over the summer when he was here. Guys, 456 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 2: got juice converted wide receiver just one year of running 457 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 2: back in college. You wondered how quickly he could figure 458 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 2: it all out. He looked like he figured it all 459 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 2: out in Week five, Man. He had a good pass 460 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 2: pro rep in that game. He's making quick decisions, he's 461 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 2: pressing the line, getting those linebackers to commit, the changing 462 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 2: the gapes attacking. How do you now work him back 463 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 2: in if Devin Singletary is back healthy this week? 464 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that's the greatest thing about you know, 465 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 4: what you get sometimes with injuries and different things that 466 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 4: go on, is guys that get a lot of reps 467 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 4: don't usually get those reps. So when they do get 468 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 4: those reps, now all of a sudden, you're like, oh wow, 469 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 4: he can handle being in there on third down. Oh wow, 470 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 4: we can't give him the ball. More So, that sometimes 471 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 4: doesn't happen when you have the trusted guy in there, 472 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 4: because when the situation gets tough, you're like, hey, we 473 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 4: have experience and knowledge with singletary, get Devon back in there. 474 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 4: Let's go, Hey, he came in, Tracy, he had a 475 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 4: good runner too, Let's get single. 476 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 3: So now you walk away and you're like, okay. 477 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 4: We have two backs, you know, and Eric Gray you're 478 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 4: throwing there too, Like we have three guys. We don't 479 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 4: mind giving the ball too, and we know they can 480 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 4: make plays. So that's why everyone always talks about when 481 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 4: you're a starter and you're a veteran, you don't want 482 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 4: to be hurt because you know there's young guys behind 483 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 4: you who you're helping out. 484 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 3: You're watching them get better. You know how the. 485 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,959 Speaker 4: NFL works when those young guys starts showing what they 486 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 4: could do, so you look at you like, ah, it 487 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 4: might be time to move on. So it's fun. It's 488 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 4: a part of the game and a credit to both 489 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 4: of those guys. Your number gets called and you're ready 490 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 4: to go and you produce. 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You mentioned it. 504 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,239 Speaker 2: I think the best pure passing attack probably you know 505 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 2: in the NFL in terms of dissecting things, So as 506 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 2: a defensive back, when you went up against you know, 507 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 2: a Peyton Manning, right, and that's I think the probably 508 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: the best comparison when for when you played, when you 509 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 2: have a quarterback that you know can see everything and 510 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 2: is always a step ahead. One of the biggest challenges 511 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 2: of dealing with that type of passing game, especially when 512 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 2: you have T Higgins and Jamar Chase outside, two guys 513 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: that can kill you man to man coverage. 514 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, we played them in twenty twenty two when I 515 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 4: was in New England, and you know, you mentioned, you 516 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 4: mentioned Montana, you mentioned Manning. The other guy thrown theirs as. 517 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 4: The guy played every day at practice was Tom Bradys. Well, 518 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 4: you lined up in it and he could see it. 519 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 3: It was he learned alert and you were getting something different. 520 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 4: It was because as a defensive guy, you're like, damn, 521 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,479 Speaker 4: he knows like you knew he knew. And when we 522 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 4: played I remember everything for us on defense that year, 523 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 4: and you know, even a year previously, it was hey, 524 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 4: let's simplify, let's make things easier, let's just go play. 525 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 4: And I remember that week I was like, hey, fellas, 526 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie to you. We simplify and we 527 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 4: think we're gonna just go play. They're gonna they're gonna 528 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 4: steamroll us. I said, turn on the film and watch 529 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 4: what Joe Burrow does when he knows what defense you're in. 530 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 3: So what did we do? We put in a lot 531 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 3: of different rankles. We had defenses. 532 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 4: Where we had eight guys up and only three guys back, 533 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 4: and then we jumped out of that and played cover two. 534 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 4: Then we blitzed it. Then we jumped out of that 535 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 4: and played cover three. So we played like we never 536 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 4: ever in that game lined up in our defense and 537 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,959 Speaker 4: just stay put and play like we just knew we 538 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 4: couldn't do that because Joe Burrow was gonna figure it out. 539 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 4: So I think Joe Burrow in the NFL right now 540 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 4: is the best at then he's the best at seeing 541 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 4: what you're in and then going to the right guy. 542 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 4: And it doesn't help having Dagans and Chase, no doubt 543 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 4: about it. But there's not many plays where he's just 544 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 4: sitting back there patting the ball because he's not sure 545 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 4: what he sees. So when you do get him to 546 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 4: do that, you're gonna have great success on defense. 547 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 2: And that brings to my next question, how often can 548 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 2: you butitz a guy like Borrow? You know, you look 549 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 2: at the pressure rates that the Bengals allowed, they're very low. 550 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: I don't love their offensive line. 551 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 2: I think a lot of that has to do with 552 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 2: the quarterback keeping those pressure rates low. 553 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 1: So how do you try to use blitzerz effectively? 554 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 2: Because if you blitz too much, you're one on one outside, 555 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 2: you're gonna get murdered by them. 556 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: You don't have a chance. But you obviously obviously can't 557 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: just let him. 558 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 2: Sit back there either, So how do you effectively mix 559 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 2: in the blitz against a quarterback like Borrow? 560 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 3: Is what you just said. You gotta pick and choose. 561 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 4: You gotta have the moments like I think about when 562 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 4: we played the Rams, we went Kansas City in twenty 563 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 4: eighteen and the Rams AFC championship at Super Bowl, and 564 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 4: both those offenses and how they kind of ran with 565 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 4: Mahomes and Red and Golf and McVay. We kind of 566 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 4: knew they understood when the blitz came. They knew what 567 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 4: they wanted to go to. So we knew as a defense, 568 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 4: Brian Flores was our defensive coordinator, we have moments where we. 569 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 3: Knew it was like, Ah, this is the moment we 570 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 3: want to blitz. 571 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 4: In twenty eighteen, we played Kansas City and HT Championship, 572 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 4: they get a second and ten maybe in the fourth 573 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 4: quarter time where we kind of talked about like, hey, 574 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 4: behind the change, this is what we want to blitz. 575 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 4: And I remember everybody in our secondary looking at the 576 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 4: sideline line, let's go flow send it. 577 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 3: And he didn't. And I remember after the game he 578 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 3: came to me, He's like, that was on me. That 579 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 3: was the time. 580 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 4: And fast forward to the Super Bowl fourth quarter we 581 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 4: played golf, We send the blitz. We were like, this. 582 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 3: Is our moment. We blitzed one time, our max blitz. 583 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 4: One time Gillmore gets an interception because we knew it 584 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 4: was a time in a game where they had to throw. 585 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 4: They had to have all of the guys out to 586 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,479 Speaker 4: have weapons to throw the ball to so they wouldn't 587 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 4: be able to pick it up. Let's go. And I 588 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 4: think the Giants have to figure that out of Hey, 589 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 4: when do we want to blitz and back it up 590 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 4: with zone? Right when we feel comfortable backing up with zone? 591 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 4: And then when do we want to blitz and play 592 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 4: man behind it? When when are those sweet spots that 593 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 4: we wanted to do that where we think, hey, Bengals 594 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 4: might be rushing a little bit. The play clocks low. 595 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 4: Borrow's not gonna have time to adjust that. That's when 596 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 4: we want to go and do those things. So I'm 597 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 4: sure Shane will figure that out of how they want 598 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 4: to approach to blitz packages and and create pressure. Because 599 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 4: the good thing for the Giants is you have you 600 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 4: have a front four where you can get home. How 601 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 4: can we sometimes make it look like there's pressure but 602 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 4: only rush four guys and still have all our full 603 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 4: secondary and cover the backfield. 604 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 2: Now, we've been complimentary of a lot of the stuff 605 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 2: we've talked about here with the Giants of Bengals offense. 606 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you, I can't find a ton 607 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 2: to say nice about the Bengals defense right now. Devin 608 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 2: watching them play U and lou Annaarumo is here. I 609 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 2: think he's a really good defensive coordinator. 610 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 1: He's doing his best. 611 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 2: You know, Trey Hendrickson's a really good pass rusher. Beyond that, 612 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,479 Speaker 2: it's been a real struggle for that defense. What are 613 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 2: you seeing? Why has it been so bad on that 614 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 2: side for a team that traditionally has been pretty solid 615 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 2: on that side of the ball. 616 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, right now, unlets Loud draw something up that that 617 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 4: gets home it's a struggle, and no defensive coordinator wants 618 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 4: to live on having to call the perfect call against 619 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 4: the perfect play. It's too hard to do. But when 620 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 4: you watch the defense, to me, what sticks out as 621 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 4: a tackling. There's times where they get a guy free, 622 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 4: he's free to the ball. Maybe it's gonna be a 623 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 4: two yard game. Running back receiver makes a move, it's 624 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 4: a fifteen yard game. You can't live that way. 625 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 3: You just can't. 626 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 4: So you play against a team like Baltimore, you have 627 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 4: no shots. You're telling me you're gonna mistackle to do that. Now, 628 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 4: to give Cincinnati credit, they looked better in the run 629 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 4: game against Baltimore until the last play, not the last play, 630 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 4: but in overtime where Henry breaks the long run. And 631 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 4: I think as a defense you sit back and say, look, 632 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,959 Speaker 4: we did all the right things. But to be a 633 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 4: good defense, we get to overtime. We need our best. 634 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 4: So I think the Giants, I think they'll have things 635 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 4: that they want to do to attack certain matchups. Is 636 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 4: going to be even tougher now they lost Dax Hill 637 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 4: for the year, Mike Hilton didn't play last last week, 638 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 4: so you're gonna have different things they're trying to do 639 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 4: bomb Bell and Jordan Battle kind of you know, flip 640 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 4: flopped in there. They took out bomb Bell put Jordan 641 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 4: Battle in, but then he had a bad play. So 642 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 4: when you have a defense that's kind of on their 643 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 4: heels of like, hey, do we really have confidence in 644 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 4: what we're doing? Are we playing good enough? I think 645 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 4: Dable's gonna come out and say, hey, attacked. Let's make 646 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 4: them feel it early by driving, getting a good first drive, 647 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 4: getting a touchdown, creating a big play to make them say, 648 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 4: all right, here we go again. Another bad game, and 649 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 4: I think that's gonna be the key. But until they 650 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 4: tackle better, it's gonna be rough for them. 651 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 2: You can see Devin mccordy on Football Nine of America 652 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 2: on NBC coverage of Giants and Bengals starting at seven pm. Devin, 653 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 2: anything else you're doing stuff on the side, charity, anything 654 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 2: else you want to get out there? 655 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: The floor is yours, my friend. 656 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 657 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 4: Man. 658 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 3: The only other thing I will say is I'm having fun. 659 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 4: I call games on Western One Radio, So with everything 660 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 4: that's happening in the other part of New Jersey with 661 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 4: the Jets, I'll be. 662 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 3: There Monday night. 663 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 4: Nice calling the game, Jets and Buffalo, So you know, 664 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 4: I'm having a lot of fun, I think, just with 665 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 4: all the media stuff and still doing a lot of 666 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 4: different things with Sickle Cell and helping. 667 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 3: Out at Hagasack Hospital. 668 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 4: So I always hear about all the Giants, brothers, my 669 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 4: guy from Rutgers, O'Hara or Eli manning everything that they 670 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 4: do over there. So just containing to try to be 671 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 4: involved in as many things as possible. 672 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 2: You know, we just saw the Kelsey Brothers get that 673 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 2: big deal with their podcast. Where's the mccordy brother podcast. Dude, 674 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 2: you guys gotta get roll with that. 675 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 4: Man. I don't know if we're gonna get the type 676 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 4: of love that the Kelsey Brothers gout. We might just 677 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 4: be spending our wheel creating content for no reason. 678 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 2: Good stuff, man, Hey, have fun at the game at 679 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: Fun Monday Night. Due appreciate talking to you. 680 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 3: This was great, app shame many good luck to the 681 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 3: Giants this week. 682 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: That's former Patriots dB Devin mccorty. 683 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 2: You can again see him on Football Night in America 684 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 2: seven pm and NBC for coverage of Giants and Bengals, 685 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 2: and stick around after the game. Of course, check out 686 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 2: our postgame coverage on the radio first, but if you 687 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 2: are on your television, checkout Peacock Sunday Night Football Final 688 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 2: exclusively on Peacock on NBC, So make sure you go 689 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 2: check that out. Thanks for being with us on The 690 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 2: Giants Total Podcast, brought to you by Citizens, the official 691 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 2: bank of the Giants. It again a lot of episodes 692 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 2: on this feed, folks, make sure you scroll through it 693 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 2: a lot of us at the last couple of days. 694 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 2: Make sure you listen and check out all the content 695 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 2: that has hit for Devin mccordy, im John Chamulk'll see 696 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 2: you next time on The Giants Total Podcast.