1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: It happened here to work. Yes, nice, nice and great 2 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 1: at this nice introducing you got it? Yeah, this is 3 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: this is it could happen here at the podcast where 4 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: it has happened. If your host Christopher Wong with me. 5 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: We have like seventeen thousand people. We've got Garrison, yep, 6 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: got We've got We've got Sophie, I've got Robert allegedly, 7 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: We've got we've got Sharine, have the first time friend 8 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: of the pod, Sharene, Hello, teammate. And we have returning 9 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: I think, yes, yeah, returning. Well I'm trying, I'm trying 10 00:00:53,120 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: to think, but yeah, yeah, yes, and creator of our 11 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: website that I love. I'm so glad. I'm so glad 12 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: you like it. Love. Yeah, And we we are gathered 13 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: here today to talk about something that sucks, which is, uh, 14 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: the Lake draft of Samuel Alito's decision to overturned Rope Wade. 15 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: It's now we're all mostly angry that somebody dared to 16 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: leak a draft and upset the sanctity of the Supreme 17 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: Courts deliberation process. Right right, That's definitely the thing that's 18 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: been keeping k mee awake at night. Yeah. Yeah, A 19 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: bunch of elderly ghouls who refused to give up their 20 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: grip on power can't deliberate in privacy. What does this 21 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: world come to you? Hm? Yes, it's been me all along. 22 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: How can I trust the Supreme Corps if not everything 23 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: happens in secret all of the time, always my in. 24 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: On a serious note, I would like to dart this 25 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: by stating my primary attitude towards the Supreme Court is 26 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: that more stairways should be greased. Nation. We have been 27 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: big proponents of horse loop for years, years, years, and 28 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: this stands continues. Um. I think horse loop could solve 29 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: a lot of problems, so many so I do think 30 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: it is especially cross that like there's the whole side 31 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: of media people who are making the story out that 32 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: oh no, look at this leak. That is the worst 33 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: thing to happen in human history. I can't believe this 34 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: got leaked, and that is like a pretty dominant narrative 35 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: going on for like over half the country, even even 36 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: like even on like CNN. That was like the first thing. 37 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: It's pretty funny too, because like the original road decision 38 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: also got leaked. I had the text, but like the 39 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: way it was, the ruin of it was gonna go 40 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: also got leaked. It's like okay, it's like this is 41 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: actually consistent angry about this. It's clearly like I I 42 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: get why the Republicans are doing it right, because it's 43 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: a way number one that they can pretend to be victims. 44 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people comparing it to like the 45 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: January six and ship. Um yeah, sorry, it's the comparison 46 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: to be made. There is not that the leak happened. No, 47 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: that's and like should it's like it leaked, Yeah, okay, 48 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: how about the fact that the information instide leak is 49 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: dangerous and it's going to cause a bunch of people today. Also, 50 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: there should be more leaks of government things all the time. 51 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: That's actually yeah, yeah, yeah, the government should not be 52 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: allowed to keep secrets. Like I'm sorry, no, you don't 53 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: see they're really they're called civil servants and they're doing 54 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: everything in secret, like we're supposed to know, I mean 55 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: in the perfect world where spying on us, we have 56 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: no privacy. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Like it's only fair. There's 57 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: also I mean, I guess maybe we'll eventually find out 58 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: who did it, but like it's also we don't have 59 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: to assume that it was a progressive that did it, 60 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: for example, Like I think the conservatives have even more 61 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: of a motive to release it because they're like mobilizing. 62 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: There are people to agree and be like, yes, do 63 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: we do we want to do that the weird Screme 64 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: Court inside baseball ship Like okay, so the weird inside 65 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: baseball ship is so this is a draft decision, right, 66 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: this decision hasn't that this is this is not the 67 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: law of the land yet. And the thing with draft 68 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,559 Speaker 1: decisions that they change, and the thing that's happening here 69 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: is there's this weird split. There's a there's like a 70 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: three to to split on like what actually, yeah, that 71 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: that makes up seven? Right, I'm like what actually? Because 72 00:04:53,480 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: like the five conservative justices like don't like Row. There's 73 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: a mean, particularly with like Roberts, there's a there's kind 74 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: of a split on like how far they want to 75 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: take it. And so part of what could be going 76 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: on here is like so this the version of the 77 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: decision that got leaked is like this is basically the 78 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: most extreme thing they could possibly do. I Arranging impacts 79 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: on how we view personal rights. Uh, I mean, it's 80 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: it's they can talk about it later. Yeah, and like 81 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: this is you know, this is the thing. Like like 82 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: the nerd like Supreme Court watchers like didn't think that 83 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: like this would be the thing, right, They didn't think 84 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: they would just straight up over turned Row. They thought 85 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: they would ship at it a little bit first, or 86 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: like go after Casey. But like no, no, no, that 87 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: they're just they're just straight up going after Row. And 88 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: part of what could be the strategy here is like 89 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: a lot of Okay, so the liberals on the Supreme 90 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: Court like have been effectless and powerless for an enormous 91 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: amount of time, and a lot of what they spend 92 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: their time doing is trying to like get one or 93 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: two sentences changed be slightly less bad. And this could 94 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: be an attempt to get the other conservative justice is 95 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: to like force them to rally around. Aldo's like unbelievably 96 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: hard and there were there were A thing that's worth 97 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: noting about this is that like Aldo, Aldo is like 98 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean Cava Cavanaugh. Okay. So for 99 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: for a very long time, Aldo was like broadly considered 100 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: by the legal community to be the worst legal mind 101 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: in the Supreme Court. Like he's a clown, He's like 102 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: he's he's legal reasoning is is really bad, like even 103 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: even by this, like you know, and this this has 104 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: changed with and become a Barrett and cavanall to it 105 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: to some extent, but like this is not this is 106 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: not a guy. This is not like a subtle like 107 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: a subtle legal mind. This is like this is like 108 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: a bull in a china shop who you throw out 109 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: when you need to just like hit something with a hammer, right, 110 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: and so you know, like yeah, part part of what 111 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: the strategy seems to be is to try to try 112 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: to coerce the other justices who are like like like Roberts, 113 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: who was like slightly less fanatic radical than Aldo, is 114 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: to try to get them to rally round this like 115 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: incredibly maximalist, hardlined not only going after Row, but going 116 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: after like a whole bunch of other stuff that we 117 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: will get you in a second. Yeah. So that that's 118 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: that's the that's the sort of sitution court inside baseball ship. 119 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: That is possibly part of what's going on with the league. 120 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, to be honest, I think that's 121 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: whatever is going on in the league. The primary topics 122 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: of interest to most people are going to be Number one, 123 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: the degree to which the rights trying to use this 124 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: to distract from what they're actually doing. Uh. And more 125 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: to the point, the concerted the fact like this is 126 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: what we're actually dealing with here is like the culmination 127 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: of forty is years of pretty relentless um. I mixed 128 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: it pretty relentless electoralism um married to a very effective 129 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: direct action terrorism campaign that has netted the right a 130 00:07:54,760 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: tremendous uh win here. Yeah, I mean like and I 131 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: feel like this it's a crisis, but it hasn't been 132 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: treated as a crisis. And like when fucking Democrats campaign, 133 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: this is like such an urgent matter, and as soon 134 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: as they're elected, it's suddenly like not as urgent. Like 135 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: look at fucking Biden. He ran on literally caught like 136 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: codifying it. He ran with that promise and obviously that 137 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: didn't happen. Um. And then there's also, like to Robert's 138 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: point from earlier, these justices are just like ancient and 139 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: don't give up their power. And I mean, there's no 140 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: use in pointing fingers, even though I'd like to do it. 141 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: So like RBG, for example, like if she had just 142 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: retired at her fucking time, maybe there would be like 143 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: one more justice that could fucking help us out. But 144 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot. I mean, she's got her share of 145 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,719 Speaker 1: the blame. There's also the fact that we've had I 146 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: think six justices appointed by Republicans in the last thirty years, 147 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: and only one of those Republicans actually won the popular vote, 148 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: um right, which was the goal. This is not just 149 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: One of the most important things unders And about the 150 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: anti abortion movement is that it's not center like it 151 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: didn't start and it's not centered around abortion. It is 152 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: centered around reversing all social progress of the last century. 153 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: And the inciting incident was the integration of schools, right. 154 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: This all started over Brown versus the Board of Education. 155 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: Abortion was just the thing they realized it was easier 156 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: to rally people around than segregation. Um and. And that's 157 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: what we're dealing with right now. So that the fundamentally 158 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: this has always been an anti democratic movement. This has 159 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: always been about codifying into law and locking into place 160 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: for essentially forever, a minority rule in which Christian extremists 161 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: would get to govern the much larger chunk of the 162 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: country that does not believe in those sort of things. Yeah, 163 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: and I think that's also worth mentioning. Anytime someone talks 164 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: about this because the media does, like the media just 165 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: runs pr for the anti abortion movement, which is that 166 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: this is unbelievably popular, like staggering lee unpopular. Nobody wants this. 167 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: This is like, this is this is less like you 168 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: can pick it, like this is less pond puler than 169 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: invading fantasy countries that don't exist. Like if if you 170 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: like this, this is this is significantly less popular, then 171 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 1: then the burning police stations down. We have the polling 172 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: data on that. It's like less popular than the lightning 173 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: police stations on fire, Like it is unbelievably staggering lye 174 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: unpopular people. No one wants this except for a very 175 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: very very well organized, very politically connected, very wealthy, and 176 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: very powerful clique of Christian fascists. Yeah, well, the laws 177 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: never reflect what the most of the population wants though, right, 178 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: like look exactly like the popular vote for example, as 179 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier. So it's like, I think there's a 180 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: poll I was reading about this yesterday in June of 181 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: last year. Percent of people thought abortions should be legal 182 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: for for for any reason, like there's no doesn't have 183 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: to be like any kind of thing. So it's like 184 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: it's and there's so many polls that also just like 185 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: prove that most people don't want this hard and fast rule. 186 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, both parties, I think utilize it to rally 187 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: together people to vote, but obviously for different causes. Yeah, 188 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: and like the first reaction from from from Democrats was, hey, 189 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: donate to our campaign. It's like, oh my god, honey, 190 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: read the room. You have all the power in quotes 191 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: right now, and you've done nothing like vote dare dare 192 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: saying that, and you get attacked by other Democrats by 193 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: being like a radical leftist routing movement because like it's 194 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: not their faults And I'm like, you, You've had power 195 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: multiple times in my thirty years of life where you 196 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: could have done it easily. Yeah, like like and this 197 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: is this is one of the things that like, okay, 198 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: like this stuff doesn't work on me because I remember 199 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: when Obama had a two thirds majority in the street, 200 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, had the House, 201 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: and not only did he not do this, Obama by 202 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: by two ten, Obama is codifying antio, is cootifying anti abortion, 203 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 1: stuft of qodifying the High Amendment. So yeah, it's like no, 204 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: like and and this is the this is the thing 205 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: with the Democrat rate, Like this is the best thing 206 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,599 Speaker 1: that's happened to the Democrats since Trump left office. Like 207 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party they love this. This is the best. 208 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: This is the best thing they could possibly happen to them, 209 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: because now what they can do is they can run on, 210 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: we're going to bring abortion back every single election cycle, 211 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: and they never do it right because every single they'll 212 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: they'll never like the stuff that they run on, Like yeah, they'll, they'll, 213 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: they'll they like, they will even even if they got 214 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: another somehow by like magic, if they somehow got another 215 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: sixteed vote majority, they find a way to not do 216 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 1: it because this, this is this is a permanent fundraising 217 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: thing for them. Yea, And they're they're desperately in need 218 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: of money all the time always. So if you take 219 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: that away, like during my brief stint in the California 220 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: Democratic Party, fundraising was always a big deal. And they 221 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: didn't want to divest from fossil fuel in cups because 222 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 1: then where would the money come from. You can't take 223 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: campaigning on row away from them because then like they 224 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: don't fucking know how to activate grassroots organizers. It scares 225 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: the ship out of them, so they will be fucked 226 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: if they lose this, which is why nothing has happened. 227 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: Speaking speaking of money, do you know who else wants 228 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: your money? That's that's right. The products and services that 229 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:18,479 Speaker 1: support this podcast, that's right. Uh. You know certain may 230 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: make you infertile, So that's that's not doing this today. 231 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: We are back, um. I think it's what we'll be. 232 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: We'll be talking about Supreme Court abortion stuff for a 233 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: lot in the coming months. UM. We'll be talking about 234 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: very different facets of it. Um, different like mutual aid, 235 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: like in ways of going about kind of filling in 236 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: the gaps which are going to become larger, um, but 237 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of other stuff relating to like right 238 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: wing terrorism against abortion clinics and all that kind of stuff. UM. 239 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,719 Speaker 1: The other interesting aspect about this that I want to 240 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: kind of briefly talk about is that with the specific 241 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: phrasing of the document is it it it threatens a 242 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: whole like sect of personal rights, not just abortion rights, um, 243 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: and could have faraging impacts uh, in terms of like 244 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: privacy rights, in terms of possibly even backtracking on stuff 245 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: like gay marriage, and a whole bunch of other things. 246 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: It's like it's obviously the abortion angle itself is pretty 247 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: massive and it affects you know, half half the population. Uh, 248 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: But there's a whole lot of other stuff that is 249 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: in that that indicates this, like this trajectory towards this 250 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: type of like right wing fundamentalist of Christian like Christian 251 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: fascist effort to hack away at all the things that 252 00:14:55,640 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: they deem degenerate or things that they deem is undesirable. Well, 253 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: I mean, the goal is to make America a Christian 254 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: nations so Jesus can come back and rule it. And 255 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: you can't do that if you know, people are gay, 256 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: or people are allowed to be on birth control, or 257 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: people are allowed to marry outside of their race, or 258 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: go to school with people who don't look like that, 259 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: Like I did read Jesus to say all of those things. Yeah, 260 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: it's it's definitely in the Bible somewhere, if you if 261 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: you do like that poetry style where you blot out 262 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: some of the words to make other words, which is now, Yes, 263 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: the thing we gotta get into that, I think is 264 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: the primary question people have right is like beyond sort 265 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: of the doom scrolling of of all of this and 266 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: all of the fear about like what's going to happen 267 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: to oh berge Vell and Lawrence ve Kansas and all 268 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: this stuff. What are they going to go for next? 269 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: Is like, what actually will work to oppose this ship? Right? Um, 270 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: we at the moment, I have not seen and I 271 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: don't believe they're any objective signs that the the Democratic Party 272 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: is going to be particularly useful in stymying any of 273 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: this bullshit. Um, Cinema and Mansion have already come out 274 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: against removing the filibuster. Mansion has come out against voting 275 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: at all in order to codify abortion access into into 276 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: law in any kind of federal way. Um. And yeah, 277 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: I get the sense that for most of them it's 278 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: a big fundraising opportunity. Now we do have. That's not 279 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: to say it's all bad news, because it is kind 280 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: of there's a possibility that this will have a significant 281 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: impact on the mid terms. Um. We got one kind 282 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: of sign that where the race in Michigan that just 283 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: ended the special district or the special election where um, 284 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: for the first time in quite a while, a district 285 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: that Trump carried by like sixteen points went to a Democrat. Uh. Now, 286 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: the Republican that they were running against was the guy 287 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: who said that women should lie back and enjoy it 288 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: if they were getting raped. Uh. So this is one 289 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: of those like, I don't know how much we should 290 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,479 Speaker 1: see that as uh, particularly emblematic of how things are 291 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: going to more broadly go. But this does have there's 292 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: an activation potential, right because outside of the fact that 293 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, you know, and as a whole is 294 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: feckless and primarily a method of fundraising for rich people. Um, 295 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: actual Democratic voters are rightfully horrified about what's going on, 296 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: and this has there's a potential here to activate a 297 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: lot of people and get them organized in a productive way. 298 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 1: So I think that has to be on our minds. 299 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 1: And so there's a mix of I don't want to 300 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: discount electoralism, but I think that in the immediate term 301 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: one of the things that people are going to have 302 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: to do is provide actual material ways for folks to 303 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: get access to the healthcare that's going to be increasingly 304 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: denied to them. Now. Um, we get a couple of 305 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: episodes earlier in the year with Michael Lawfer of the 306 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: Vour Thieves Vinegar collective He's just gone viral, and a 307 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: Vice article about the hacked abortion pills that that they've 308 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 1: been guiding people in how to make. UM. I think 309 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: stuff like that is really useful. When I started posting 310 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: about this online, someone pointed out that UM pro abortion 311 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: activists in Germany recently flew drones across the border to 312 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: Poland to drop off MIFA prostaal like abortion pills which 313 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: were picked up by people in Poland. UM, and there's 314 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: there's some there's going to be increasing kind of organizing 315 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: around that stuff, like the Jain Collective. UM people are 316 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: already organizing and from like national organizations to increase access 317 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: and states where it's going to remain legal for people 318 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: out of state. So I think that's going to be 319 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: hugely important. UM. Does anyone else have sort of ideas 320 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: on kind of what what things people can do when 321 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: are going to be doing to push back against this, 322 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: because I do think it's gotta be twofold. It's got 323 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: to be both, you know, pushing back in sort of 324 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: a legal sense and also pushing back by direct action 325 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: in order to ensure that people still have access to 326 00:18:55,840 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: this stuff. I don't know, I don't have faith in 327 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: electoral electoral anything. Uh So I really think like if 328 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: there's if it's possible to find your own community and 329 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: like just almost like with I don't know, just mobilizing 330 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: your actual peers versus like trying to trust anyone with 331 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: power to get anything done. Because maybe I'm a pestimist. 332 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just a pessimist. But what you said earlier 333 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: about the person she was running against, what I heard 334 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: is that that person was still running and people like 335 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,959 Speaker 1: he was still the number two, you know, And I 336 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: think on the other side there, their side is also 337 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: going to rally against stuff like didn't Oklahoma just pass 338 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: like the most restricted fans ever where, like yesterday at 339 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: time of recording. Yeah, so in this law, women can 340 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: be punished up to ten years in prison for getting 341 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: an abortion and like in pair, like just for some perspective, 342 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: rapists in Oklahoma get five years. So it's like stuff 343 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 1: like that is happening in all these states. And because 344 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 1: these states people with with less resources maybe don't have 345 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 1: their ability to travel so far, I think really mobilizing 346 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: communities a little bit more uh maybe just more effective 347 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: in my opinion. Yeah, I mean, we have to mobilize communities, 348 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: but you also can't it can't just end at we're 349 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: going to try to like provide these people with an 350 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: option to get out of the state or get access 351 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: where they are, like clandestinely. If it's limited to that, 352 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: they're going to push to make all this more illegal federally, 353 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: and they're just going to keep throwing people in in 354 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: prison and using the police as the enforcement arm of 355 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 1: this stuff. There does have to be there has to 356 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: be a broader counter you know, I'm thinking back to like, 357 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about like picking a dude to 358 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: vote for. I'm talking about like, in Mexico, right when 359 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: they were talking about, um making abortion illegal, activists attempted 360 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: to light the Capitol building on fire. Um and uh 361 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 1: like that that that kind of like there has to 362 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: be there has to be a broader two thirds of 363 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: the country thinks this is bullshit. There has to be 364 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: a way of getting those people organized in a way 365 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 1: beyond dealing with the acute problems caused by this. Like yeah, 366 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: and I don't entirely know what that looks like, but no, 367 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: that makes sense that you're right and makes sense. Well, 368 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: and I think I think that there have been signs 369 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: that it's started, Like so, I mean there there's obviously, 370 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: like there were protests like they've been protests, like literally 371 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 1: since the thing came out. They were especially Yeah. Also, 372 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: I mean I think I think part of like see 373 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: this sort of like yeah, what did you see one? 374 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: You can see this sort of like I don't know, 375 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: you can see the way that people haven't I guess 376 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: fully internalized the fact that the stage is just trying 377 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: to do this to them, and that like you know, 378 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: if you look at the barricades that were put up right, 379 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: like you could just push those over, like and then 380 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: there you had a bunch of people who are extremely 381 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 1: angry and they sort of just sat there and did 382 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: nothing right and like this is this is the kind 383 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: of thing that like, you know, if you look at 384 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: what happened in LA there there is a lot of 385 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: protest in l A. And like the department like Homeland 386 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: Security was on the street beating people, and I think 387 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: if if if there's like okay, So, one thing it's 388 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: important to keep in mind is that this still again 389 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: this this the ruling, the draft of the ruling is 390 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: not the actual ruling. Right there is still time right 391 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: now in between when this in between this leak and 392 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: when this is actually decided, there is still time to 393 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: literally force the court to not do this, so start 394 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: greasing those stairwells people. Yes, well, I think here's a 395 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: few notes. Um. So one, I think that's it's going 396 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: to be used to encourage action on all sides. Uh, 397 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: there's it's gonna this is going to be seen as 398 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: a victory for the right, and they're going to use 399 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: this momentum to mobilize further, uh, to to put more 400 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: further antibus and stuff into law, and to encourage people 401 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: to take vigilante justice out on healthcare providers. Um. The 402 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: second thing is direct action for of trying to alter 403 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: the ruling before it happens. Like there is a chance 404 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: to do mass mobilization. Uh, there's a chance if we 405 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: frames if things are framed correctly, you can bring a 406 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 1: lot of liberals out and convince them and suggest to 407 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: them that they can that they could do things that 408 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: they ordinarily maybe wouldn't do. Uh. There's that is that 409 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: is an entirely uh, entirely possible scenario. Just in my 410 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: in my episodes about the Atlanta Forest from a few 411 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: days ago, I discussed the shack method of protest. Now, 412 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: this this isn't this isn't this doesn't carry over one 413 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: to one because that is pretty focused on doing economic targeting. 414 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: But the whole idea of targeting people outside of like 415 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: the political space is a key to that. Like people 416 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: people don't just do work in the Supreme Court. They 417 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: have actual everyday lives and if you can uh surround 418 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: them in their everyday lives, that type of personal pressure 419 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: is way more affecting than just yelling at a government 420 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: buildings sometimes. Um, because if we can dissolve this like 421 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: safe political like space that people think that they think 422 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: they operated in, right, they assume that, oh, I'm I'm 423 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: a court justice, I'm a judge. Everything that I do 424 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: happens in the courtroom. Right, I'm safe, I'm contained. Everything 425 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: is just in the contents of the courtroom. I don't 426 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: get to experience consequences for my actions outside the courtroom, 427 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,959 Speaker 1: which isn't true because obviously the people, all of us, 428 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: do experience those consequences in the real world all the time, 429 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: just the people in power don't have to. So instead, 430 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: if we can put pressure on people when they're going 431 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: about their everyday lives in their hanging banners in their backyard, 432 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: doing other things, horse loop again very useful. Um. That 433 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: is a that is a way to do types of 434 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: protests that we have not seen as much, but I 435 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: think is now is probably the time to start doing that, right, Um, 436 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: I mean we we saw we saw stuff after the 437 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: morder of George Floyd with people surrounding the house of 438 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:05,239 Speaker 1: Derek Chauvin, which police were very angry about. Like that, 439 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: there is an indication that hey, this the state doesn't 440 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: like it when this happens. Um, it's not. It's not 441 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: specifically more legal to stand in the street of a 442 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: residential neighborhood. So no, and it's you know, a lot 443 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: of protests so far has focused on court buildings, many 444 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: of which you're federal, and those provide a lot of 445 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: benefits to shall we say, the defender, including the fact 446 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: that they're already well set up for surveillance. They're generally fortified. Uh, 447 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: they have a pretty short logistic tail to where the 448 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: state is keeping its weaponry and its troops as opposed 449 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: to just kind of fucking with people in their lives, 450 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: which is a lot harder for those kind of militarized 451 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: responses that lead to large groups of your friends getting 452 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: arrested or beat up by Feds. I think also like yeah, 453 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: the tendency to go after like legal buildings is missing 454 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 1: the point of where the actual power is. Like this 455 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: is the thing which Nanuary sixth too is like yeah, 456 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: even if like yeah, they took over the capital and 457 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: nothing happens. And the reason that like nothing could happen 458 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: is because it's just a building, right, Like the the 459 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: the the actual political system exists dependently of it, and 460 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: you have to hit the things that the system actually 461 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: cares about, and so like that supports that's roads, that's 462 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: border crossings, that's things like I why am I now 463 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: suddenly vacation? Yeah, but like well like but also I 464 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: mean like okay, like you know, if if if if 465 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: there was actually like a way to stop this, one 466 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: of the few things that could actually do it would 467 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: be a large would be something like a large sale, 468 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: teacher strike, or a thing I've talked about before that 469 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: is happening this summer is for example, the long Showman 470 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: contract in uh Oakland is coming up, right, and like 471 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: those are the kinds of things like if you can 472 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: actually start shutting down large sections of the U. S economy, 473 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court of Political Actors, they will have to 474 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: respond to this, and you can essentially like like you 475 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: can you can blackmail them into into into doing the 476 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: thing that they should be you wing, you can apply 477 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: targeted pressure economically and personally, and that's the type of 478 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: protest that I think it would be interesting to see 479 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: where that leaves us. They need to not they like 480 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: the consequence for both the political actors who are carrying 481 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: this out and the people who support them needs to 482 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: be that they don't get to live a normal life 483 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: um that they are, that they suffer consequences for hurting people. 484 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: And that means a lot of things, but among other things, 485 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: that means that certain people shouldn't be going to the 486 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: fucking grocery store without feeling the hatred, you know. And 487 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: I think I think I should be able to order 488 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: delivery and feel secure that what they're going to eat 489 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: isn't going to hurt them. Yeah, And I think also 490 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: like one of the things that I remembering from that 491 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: was actually really effective initially from the beginning of the 492 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: trum administration was the airport protests. And that's a place 493 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: that like you wouldn't think you'd be able to really 494 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 1: occupy because again, the amount of security there was enormous, 495 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: But like if you have a lot of libs, you can. 496 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: I I remember, like I was, I was like standing 497 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: in a in an airport terminal and there was a 498 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: line of riot cops attacking. Like everyone is like, oh, 499 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna get attacked, but like there was just enough 500 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: like everyone just sat down and there was enough libs 501 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: with like their kids that the cops didn't attack. And 502 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: that's that. That's a kind of thing that like potentially 503 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 1: could be replicated and also could be useful given the 504 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: fact that like sometimes cops have like an aversion to 505 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: a like stuff that looks really really bad on TV. 506 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: Not not always, but like, yeah, this is this is 507 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: the thing that can happen. Is a thing that like 508 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: has happened in her like pretty recently. Yeah, we can 509 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: do again. I don't really trust footage of police brutality 510 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: to change things anymore. UM, I feel like we reached 511 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: the peak of that in and at this point I 512 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: think moving on to targeted pressure towards individuals that whole 513 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: positions of power and targeted pressure to the economy. Um. 514 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: Eating of targeted pressure of the economy. A large protest 515 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: at an airport that the police break up with tear 516 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: gas does damage to the economy that the police are 517 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: the ones causing um and like it's it's uh, it's 518 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: one of those things. As we've stated, courthouse or whatever 519 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: is just a building. People can not go into work 520 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: and do all of the fund up ship that they're 521 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: doing on zoom um. An airport is not just a building, 522 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: you know, And so a protest at an airport has 523 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: some teeth that a protest at a courthouse doesn't. Necessarily, 524 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: I do have one, like quick other thing that I 525 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: want to throw out as sort of a means of 526 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: uh resistancer action is something that I was trained to 527 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: do growing up. Part of the forest birth movent m 528 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: is co opting the language that the left uses, and 529 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: I think something that we should do and something that 530 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: we can all be doing right now is co opting 531 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: the language back. So when force birth advocates say their 532 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: pro life, come back with how can you be pro 533 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: life if you want someone to die by having a pregnancy, 534 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: and like just sort of taking words and rhetoric that 535 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: has traditionally been used to oppress us two reframe it 536 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: and be like, no, actually, you're the one who's telling 537 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: on yourself here, and you're the one who is forcing 538 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: people literally to die in multiple ways. You cannot be 539 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: pro life if you support people who already exist dying 540 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: and just sort of thinking about that a little bit. 541 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: If you don't necessarily have the energy to go stage 542 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: protest at an airport, yep, that is a great line 543 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: to end on end on um. Everybody, go out, and again, 544 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: you know our sponsors are the Klein and stubil Hip 545 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: Surgery Center in Washington, d C. So please do keep 546 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: greasing those stairways, everybody. It could Happen here as a 547 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: production of cool Zone Media. 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