Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Projects.
Speaker 1: My guestimator is Chelsea's member, who has a new special
Speaker 1: on HBO matic evolution. Chelsea. Good to have you, Hi,
Speaker 1: get to see you. How are you? I'm okay, okay.
Speaker 1: In the special, you essentially say that the election of
Speaker 1: Trump drove you to therapy. So I must ask you
Speaker 1: post election, where are you at intellectually and emotionally relative
Speaker 1: to who got elected, the temperature of the country, etcetera. Um,
Speaker 1: pretty much, I'm I'm ready to celebrate. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: skiing for about three months straight to celebrate this victory
Speaker 1: by Biden, and if we win the Georgia Senate race,
Speaker 1: I might go skiing for six months straight. I just
Speaker 1: have to find extra snow. Wait, wait, let's switch gears completely,
Speaker 1: because that one of the reasons I wanted to talk
Speaker 1: to you is I'm a really big skier and I
Speaker 1: know you're a skier, So have funny, are you literally
Speaker 1: booked for three months? Well? I bought a house in Whistler, Canada,
Speaker 1: uh this year before, well before the election, just in
Speaker 1: case the worst happened, and I bought it out of
Speaker 1: fear and I was planning on going there for all
Speaker 1: of ski season, but then you know, we're not allowed
Speaker 1: into Canada because of COVID, So I am trying to
Speaker 1: figure out how to get their work wise to film
Speaker 1: something there so that I can spend three months in
Speaker 1: a less COVID rampant ski area, which is Whistler. Have
Speaker 1: you spent a lot of time in Whistler. Yeah? I
Speaker 1: go there every year for my for Christmas with my family,
Speaker 1: and then I usually go for my birthday. Well, which
Speaker 1: is what time of year, February. Well, I will tell
Speaker 1: you I've been to Whistler many times and I only
Speaker 1: hit it right once, which was two years ago. Because
Speaker 1: the altitude is so low at the bottom. I've been
Speaker 1: there when it's rained, and I've been there when it's
Speaker 1: rained the whole time i've been there. Oh yeah, that sucks.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they do get rain and Whistler, but when
Speaker 1: it's not raining, it is the most beautiful mountain to
Speaker 1: ski on and it's massive, so I'm a big fan.
Speaker 1: Plus it's Canada, and you know, Canadians are pretty cool
Speaker 1: about everything. You know, they don't start fights, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's not like you're dealing with a
Speaker 1: bunch of white male energy. I go to Canada quite
Speaker 1: a lot myself, and was scheduled to go before the shutdown.
Speaker 1: Where is your house? Relatively speaking? In Whistler, it's a
Speaker 1: ski and ski out is what it is. So where
Speaker 1: is it Queakside? Is it? Whistler Village? Is a black Home?
Speaker 1: I'd prefer not to say, quite frankly. I mean I've
Speaker 1: had a couple of affairs with ski instructors up there,
Speaker 1: so I don't really want to be on the record. Okay,
Speaker 1: I know locals wh I ski with up there, and
Speaker 1: they'll only ski Black Home. So where do you like
Speaker 1: to ski? Yeah? I agree with that Black Home is
Speaker 1: where it's at. But I love every kind of skiing.
Speaker 1: I don't need it to be a snowstorm. I don't
Speaker 1: need it to be you know, like, I'm not into
Speaker 1: any particular kind. I just like to have a lot
Speaker 1: of big canvas to work with. And how good a
Speaker 1: skier are you? Um? I'm pretty good. You probably are
Speaker 1: a little bit better than may just based on our age.
Speaker 1: I'm not the most perfect skier, but I'm a big daredevil,
Speaker 1: so I like to take a lot of risks, like
Speaker 1: I like Helly skiing and cat skiing? Okay, do you
Speaker 1: ski Spanky's Ladder at uh in Black Home? In Black Home,
Speaker 1: I have gone down Spanky's ladder once once. No, no, No,
Speaker 1: Spanky's Ladder I do all the time. But there's another one.
Speaker 1: There's a peak above that that's even harder than I've
Speaker 1: done once. But yes, I've done Spanky's Ladder for sure. Okay,
Speaker 1: So where do you like to ski on Black Comb? Oh?
Speaker 1: I mean what the runs? I mean, I just everywhere.
Speaker 1: I can't think of what the runs that I like
Speaker 1: in this moment, but I mean other places I like
Speaker 1: to ski. I love park City just because of the
Speaker 1: vibe of Park City and the options of going to Alter,
Speaker 1: snow Mass or Snowbird. Sorry, but Aspen is also incredible skiing,
Speaker 1: and I always kind of had that feeling about Aspen, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't like a scene when I go skiing.
Speaker 1: I like to be off the beaten track, not where
Speaker 1: all the Hollywood people go, So that was always kind
Speaker 1: of a turn off. But last year I went to
Speaker 1: Aspen and skied Snowmass three days and I was the
Speaker 1: only person on the mountain, me and my friend for
Speaker 1: three days. It was incredible. It was March. I think
Speaker 1: the one that's off of you know the is it Snowma,
Speaker 1: Snowmass the one that's off of you know, twenty minutes
Speaker 1: outside of town. Yes, yeah, that's it. Yeah. So that
Speaker 1: was beautiful. And then we skied the other three mountains there.
Speaker 1: But I'll ski anywhere. I love to ski, but I'm
Speaker 1: not you know where I'm not going to ski Vermont. Okay,
Speaker 1: did you grow up skiing in Vermont? I did. It
Speaker 1: was miserable. Uh, well, Camelbacks, New York. But Vermont. We
Speaker 1: went to snow a lot. That was one place, but
Speaker 1: we also did a lot of like the bad skiing
Speaker 1: in Vernon Valley in New Jersey. So like I was
Speaker 1: in ski clothes, I mean ski class, and my brothers
Speaker 1: and sisters would leave me all the time, you know,
Speaker 1: for hours and hours while I just frozen. My ass
Speaker 1: off was strangers. And when I grew up, I went
Speaker 1: to the Aspen Comedy Festival for and it was in
Speaker 1: the winter and I went skiing with David Allan career.
Speaker 1: One day I was like, hey, let's go skiing. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't have any ski clothes because you don't have
Speaker 1: to it's so warm out you could wear your jeans.
Speaker 1: And it was the first time I had skied on
Speaker 1: the West Coast and understood how pleasurable that activity could
Speaker 1: be without having to freeze your ass off. And then
Speaker 1: I took skiing a lot more seriously. Okay, so use
Speaker 1: what age were you when you started skiing? Oh, like
Speaker 1: five six I would go all the time for day trips,
Speaker 1: or I was in ski camp, but you know not
Speaker 1: but Vermont skiing, you know, ice cold. Okay, But before
Speaker 1: you went to the comedy festival, did you continue to
Speaker 1: essentially ski every year? No? No, I probably went like
Speaker 1: a couple of times in my twenties, and then I
Speaker 1: didn't take it seriously. And then when I skied that
Speaker 1: in Aspen, and then I skied in Tahoe shortly after,
Speaker 1: which was the same set of circumstances like spray, beautiful
Speaker 1: warm weather skiing. And then I started to ski again,
Speaker 1: and then I had a really bad ski accident in Zermat, Switzerland.
Speaker 1: I tore my a c L because I wiped out
Speaker 1: really bad. A little bit slower because my girlfriend also
Speaker 1: tore her ra c L. Literally what happened, because conventionally
Speaker 1: what happens is you fall backward and the toad does
Speaker 1: not release on your binding, and that's how you tend
Speaker 1: to break your A c L Do you know how
Speaker 1: you tore yrs? No, it was it was a blur.
Speaker 1: But I was, first of all, congratulations and having a girlfriend.
Speaker 1: That's a huge victory in and of itself. Okay, long
Speaker 1: time all the what the girlfriend came with? Are you
Speaker 1: veil familiar? Yeah, well I've been there. Okay, So I
Speaker 1: grew up. We had a house in Manchester, Vermont, which
Speaker 1: is Bromly, Stratton and Magic. But I went to college
Speaker 1: at Middlebury College. We had our own ski area, which
Speaker 1: is why I went there, and that's the other side
Speaker 1: of the hill from mad River and sugar Bush. And
Speaker 1: then after college, I spent two years in Little Cottonwood Canyon,
Speaker 1: Alton Snowbird and I used to pooh pooh Veil, saying
Speaker 1: it was too flat. But they have a place in
Speaker 1: the lodge a veil. When they built Veil in sixty two,
Speaker 1: they literally as part of the deal, had to build
Speaker 1: a lodge that is the closest lodge to the lift.
Speaker 1: So that is really pretty good. And now I'm trying
Speaker 1: to remember what I was responding to You were saying,
Speaker 1: we know what my girlfriend came. Yeah, I know, but
Speaker 1: there was something else. Oh uh, it was had to
Speaker 1: do with park City or in terms of yes, I
Speaker 1: have the girlfriends who came with that benefit. But you
Speaker 1: were in Zermat. Now conventionally you take your come down
Speaker 1: on a sled in Zermatt, they flew you out. Why
Speaker 1: they they flew me out because I tore my a
Speaker 1: c L. So I rolled. I was skiing out of control.
Speaker 1: This was before I became a great scare. I just
Speaker 1: loved skiing, but I wasn't concerned with technique. Okay, So
Speaker 1: I was a lunatic. And so I was there with
Speaker 1: three girlfriends and I wiped. I was just going really
Speaker 1: really fast. As you know, they have those long, wide
Speaker 1: rolling hills in Switzerland, right, that's very different and it's
Speaker 1: not very steep. So I don't really have an excuse
Speaker 1: for wiping out like I did, but I did. And
Speaker 1: when I was done, I heard click click click click click,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh no, my leg is off,
Speaker 1: Like I'm I probably have one leg when this is
Speaker 1: all said and done. And when I came to a halt,
Speaker 1: I looked up in my Austrian ski guide was sitting
Speaker 1: there smoking a cigarette and in his German accent, was
Speaker 1: you just stow your A c L helicopter is coming
Speaker 1: and did you have surgery? Yeah? They met it acted
Speaker 1: me off the mountain, which was a very sexy rescue,
Speaker 1: I have to say for German guys. Came out of
Speaker 1: the helicopter and like put me on the first they
Speaker 1: wanted to give me morphine, which I'm so it was
Speaker 1: excited about obviously, and then they put me on a
Speaker 1: stretcher and they dragged me over to the helicopter and
Speaker 1: it was just it was like something out of James Bond.
Speaker 1: I was very, very turned on by that experience. But
Speaker 1: then they all had German accents and it was a
Speaker 1: forty five minute ride to the hospital. And I'm Jewish,
Speaker 1: so Jewish too, And I must remember the first time
Speaker 1: I was taking the train from Copenhagen to Switzerland and
Speaker 1: they got on the train and they go pass, report, pass, report,
Speaker 1: and it's like wow, right now. When we took the
Speaker 1: train up from I think it was Geneva, you fly
Speaker 1: into to go to Zermat And when we took the
Speaker 1: train up, I got so sick and my friends kept
Speaker 1: making I go, I hate trains. I hate trains. I'm Jewish,
Speaker 1: I hate trains. It's just nauseating being on this and
Speaker 1: I go in the accents every time they go. Next time,
Speaker 1: You're like, it was PTSD from intergenerational PTSD. Anyway, I
Speaker 1: will not be going back to Zirmant, Switzerland. They were
Speaker 1: the rudest bunch of people I've ever ever met. That
Speaker 1: whole town was like, but wait, well, let's go back
Speaker 1: to the helicopter for a second. A lot of times
Speaker 1: when they fly injured skiers off the helicopter, they put
Speaker 1: the basket outside the helicopter. Did they bring you inside
Speaker 1: the helicopter? I was inside the helicopter, okay. And did
Speaker 1: you have your urgery? And Switzerland or back in Los Angeles? No.
Speaker 1: After that, I was dating a guy who met me
Speaker 1: and I think Rome. I went from there to Rome
Speaker 1: and I had just a just like a brace on
Speaker 1: my knee while we traveled through Florence, Rome. Um. We
Speaker 1: went to a bunch of different cities and I just
Speaker 1: wore the brace. And then when I got back to
Speaker 1: l A, I had I went to the doctor and
Speaker 1: he was like, you've done so much damage by not
Speaker 1: getting the surgery right away. He's like, you need to
Speaker 1: rehab prehab two before the surgery, like get it strong
Speaker 1: enough for the surgery so that your rehab post surgery
Speaker 1: wouldn't be that difficult. And so then you know after
Speaker 1: you have a wipe out like that. I became a
Speaker 1: much more tentative skier because I was scared. And my
Speaker 1: ski guy that I had skied with for about seven
Speaker 1: years in Whistler. Every year I go with a ski
Speaker 1: guy because I can't be trusted to ski by myself
Speaker 1: and return at the end of the day. And he said, oh,
Speaker 1: I see that you're scared. Now skiing like it used
Speaker 1: to be fearless and you're scared. And as soon as
Speaker 1: he said that, I was like, fuck you. And then
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to get good at skiing again.
Speaker 1: So now I'm really much better than I was ever
Speaker 1: at skiing. Okay, who did your surgery electrosh Yes? Okay,
Speaker 1: she did my girlfriends too, same situation. She didn't march around,
Speaker 1: but she had to do the prehab. Try to get
Speaker 1: the swelling down. Your girlfriend and I sounded almost like twins.
Speaker 1: She literally has a twin, so unless you want to
Speaker 1: be triplets, that's a whole another thing. But did you
Speaker 1: have that machine where you have to put your you
Speaker 1: know sort of it's almost like a stationary bike where
Speaker 1: you're a rowing machine. You have that for a week
Speaker 1: and you have to do all the rehab. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: give you that electronic knee mover machine. Um, so I
Speaker 1: had that and the ice, which you know, I love ice.
Speaker 1: You don't know that, but I do. So I love
Speaker 1: icing any part of my body or any excuse to
Speaker 1: ice it. So I had to ice it every night.
Speaker 1: But the real problem were the painkillers, because they really
Speaker 1: fuck you up, you know, like, and you have to
Speaker 1: get ahead of the pain. So like on day three,
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm fine, I don't need these anymore.
Speaker 1: And then I woke up writhing in pain one night
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: oh my god. And you can't. It's hard to catch
Speaker 1: up to the pain, you know, so you really have
Speaker 1: unfortunately I do. Yeah, So you have to give it
Speaker 1: like a week of those pain killers. And those pain
Speaker 1: killers make you crazy. Well, they make you crazy, and
Speaker 1: you're kind of zoned out. It's not like you can read.
Speaker 1: You can kind of sit in front of the TV
Speaker 1: or surf. You know. I had a bad accident four
Speaker 1: years ago walking to the ski slope. A friend of
Speaker 1: mine has a house in Alta, literally right between Alton
Speaker 1: Snowboard and you can walk and ski down to Snowboard
Speaker 1: and he's got a black pass. He can get out
Speaker 1: an hour earlier and ski the pile, which is great,
Speaker 1: especially in snowboard. And it was April. It's one of
Speaker 1: those days where it was fifty degrees and then it
Speaker 1: was fifteen degrees and I slipped twice walking to go
Speaker 1: skiing and fell out my shoulder and tore my Uh.
Speaker 1: How to get rotator cuffs surgery And that's one of
Speaker 1: the first things they said. And I've had too many
Speaker 1: surgeries anyway, not from skiing. It's like, don't wait for
Speaker 1: the pain to come. Then you've already lost it. You
Speaker 1: have tokay, right right, that's good. I once went to
Speaker 1: al to my ski guide in Park City, this guy Carl,
Speaker 1: who's like he's going to be a hundred this year.
Speaker 1: He's incredible and he has been my ski guide for
Speaker 1: a couple of years and I love him. He took
Speaker 1: me to ski in Alton one day and we went
Speaker 1: to somebody's house. They just lived on the mountain right
Speaker 1: They were built into the side of the mountain. So
Speaker 1: we got there. We got off a lift and skied
Speaker 1: right down to their house and they were grilling bison,
Speaker 1: and then they just took us out skiing for the day.
Speaker 1: We came back, we had some vodka shots around three,
Speaker 1: and then they took us and then we skied out.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is the coolest place ever. It
Speaker 1: was like one of those days I'll never forget. Well.
Speaker 1: One of the great things about Alton Snowberg is there's
Speaker 1: literally nothing else to do there, so if you are there,
Speaker 1: it the focus is really skiing. It's not like you know,
Speaker 1: being an aspen or veiling and shopping. These are hardcore skiers. Now,
Speaker 1: my girlfriend, who were her A c l at this
Speaker 1: point with your girlfriend in my face. But the reason
Speaker 1: I mentioned is thirteen years ago it happened. It happened
Speaker 1: in the trees and mammoth. I don't know if you know,
Speaker 1: Lincoln Mountain a mammoth and we were skiing in the
Speaker 1: trees and she fell backwards. She was very tentative when
Speaker 1: she got back on the snow and I won't say
Speaker 1: that she's ever gotten completely after that. We were once out.
Speaker 1: We have some friends who were uber wealthy and they
Speaker 1: will only ski with the instructor, and they didn't arrive
Speaker 1: the games instructor and you know, he was taking us
Speaker 1: in the woods. We're not talking about you know, steamboat
Speaker 1: like plates. And I said, you can take her, but
Speaker 1: you know I don't want it on my head. So
Speaker 1: this point in time, you're completely over the tearing of
Speaker 1: your a c L. Yeah. Well, I skied with a
Speaker 1: brace for a long time, so that gives you a
Speaker 1: little extra confidence. And then you know, when they fix
Speaker 1: your knee, it's stronger than the other one. I said
Speaker 1: to why don't I just ski around with two knee
Speaker 1: braces on. That'll prevent any for their injuries. He goes,
Speaker 1: you could do that, but you know you say that
Speaker 1: and then you don't follow through with that. I'm pretty good.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not gonna say I won't get into
Speaker 1: another accident. I hope I don't get into another accident.
Speaker 1: But I'm a little bit more. Uh, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: a little bit better now, Like I know what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: You can put me in. I can pretty much ski
Speaker 1: down anything. Although i'd rather not ski down certain things
Speaker 1: I can. Okay, let's get a little deeper into what
Speaker 1: kind of boots do you have? You're asking me questions,
Speaker 1: Bob that I things I don't pay attention to, like
Speaker 1: wells are the most important thing. Okay, let's switch to mother. No, No,
Speaker 1: we could talk about my boots. I had them made
Speaker 1: last year at at Sherefoot and Brandon's not here. My
Speaker 1: assistant left, so I don't know what brand they are.
Speaker 1: But if you said it, if you want to start guessing,
Speaker 1: I could tell you all. Believe I could guess. There's
Speaker 1: like three or five big brands. How many pairs of
Speaker 1: skis do you have? Two? You know what those are?
Speaker 1: But I give those away to every season. I give
Speaker 1: them away like to somebody else because I know I'm
Speaker 1: going to get to New pay. I have a pair
Speaker 1: of fat skis, and a Paraffin wants to know. Do
Speaker 1: I know what brand they are? Ship? I don't. Sorry, Well,
Speaker 1: real two is good enough. You know I can't use
Speaker 1: one O K two the fat They make some of
Speaker 1: the best female skis. I mean, I got a closet
Speaker 1: full of skis. I got one eight teens uh nineties
Speaker 1: six is in uh, seventy seven's and uh, I like,
Speaker 1: you know, I like the French skis because they're whippy
Speaker 1: or you know, they're different schools of thought. But the
Speaker 1: right tool is important. I used to ski powder in
Speaker 1: the old narrow you know, Rozzi Stratos, etcetera. But having
Speaker 1: a big fat ski makes it certainly more pleasurable. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: but you have to get used to big fat skis, right.
Speaker 1: Like I was in my first like major Jackson Hole
Speaker 1: snow storm last year and I was like, I can't,
Speaker 1: I can't ski this, Like I could not get get
Speaker 1: the snow under me in the right way, and the
Speaker 1: skis were so much fatter than I had been used
Speaker 1: to because they had had been dumped on the night before.
Speaker 1: And it took me like about two hours to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: now I know what I'm doing. Like, it is an
Speaker 1: adjustment to make, especially in the powder, because I know,
Speaker 1: once you're good, the powder is easier, but until you
Speaker 1: cross that line, the powder is just you know, so hard. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, the interesting thing is where your scheme. Because Jackson,
Speaker 1: which happens to have the best conditions right now, they
Speaker 1: have over a hundred inches have fallen there this year.
Speaker 1: The altitude at the bottom is low there at six
Speaker 1: thousand feet. Yeah, they have an inversion there, definitely. The
Speaker 1: snow can be kind of heavy, whereas if you get
Speaker 1: a good day in out in snowboard, little Cottonwood can
Speaker 1: is literally the best snow in the world. It's so
Speaker 1: light that you can use your regular technique, where normally
Speaker 1: you have to sit back a little bit when the
Speaker 1: snow is heavier and that can get tricky, and you know,
Speaker 1: the moves are more gradual. It's an adjustment. So where
Speaker 1: have you gone hellie skiing, helly skiing? I've been in
Speaker 1: Helli skiing and Whistler and Switzerland. Before my Injurance Solen
Speaker 1: we went helly skiing and managed to not get injured
Speaker 1: that day. But yeah, and I've done cat skiing at
Speaker 1: the million is it called a million Miles or in
Speaker 1: Park City outside of Park City. We did that last
Speaker 1: two years ago. That was really fun. I hadn't cat
Speaker 1: ski before. So I've only been helly skiing like twice.
Speaker 1: And where have you only skied at Zermat in Europe? No?
Speaker 1: I skied at some other place Bacquaietta in Spain, which
Speaker 1: was terrible. And then right, yeah, and the Pyrenees, right,
Speaker 1: and then where else in Europe? Uh, Samarets, I've been there. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's really glitz Center. Yeah, that was nauseating to me,
Speaker 1: so I don't ever want to go back there. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, the French ski areas is because a lot
Speaker 1: of them were purpose built after the war. The other
Speaker 1: ski areas have caught up, but the lift infrastructure is
Speaker 1: much better. I've been to Corchevelle, which is now the
Speaker 1: largest ski area with three three value. That's all. That's
Speaker 1: that's verbi A right where corsavell is no no Verbia Switzerland.
Speaker 1: Verbis got a lot of exam skiing Corschevelle. It's you
Speaker 1: would love it, except there are a lot of Russia's
Speaker 1: Really it's changed. There's a lot of money and val
Speaker 1: de Sair, you know, which is where Chilly is from.
Speaker 1: Valdasair has doesn't that have those three little towns where
Speaker 1: you write valdasare am I thinking of that. That's coll Okay,
Speaker 1: Well you go from valve Thrinds to mal Marabelle to Corshevelle.
Speaker 1: But the problem is, uh, the last time I went
Speaker 1: I hate it so wrong. Once again, this was January.
Speaker 1: It was warm and then it got cold, so it
Speaker 1: was a sheet of ice. Like you said, going back
Speaker 1: to the West. If you can ski in the West,
Speaker 1: there's no reason to ski in these Well. Also it's
Speaker 1: you don't need to go to you know, Europe, just
Speaker 1: because honestly, Canada snow, like this Canadian snow is the
Speaker 1: best it's going to be in the world in my opinion.
Speaker 1: I mean, going to Europe like they don't get the
Speaker 1: same they don't get the same kind of snowfall that
Speaker 1: I can't agree. That's gonna be my next point. The
Speaker 1: last time we were there, the guy said, call me
Speaker 1: before you come, don't book it in advance. Right right,
Speaker 1: I'm skip Bam. They have some like those are really
Speaker 1: easy places around Bam, revel Stoke. I was, well, I
Speaker 1: had plans to go there for New Year's this year,
Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens. Maybe I will. Actually, if
Speaker 1: I get into Canada, it's looking good. I have to
Speaker 1: take this residency at this theater in Vancouver. Uh so
Speaker 1: I can do two shows every Saturday night and that's
Speaker 1: my work reason to be there, and then I could
Speaker 1: just practice my new set since my special just came out.
Speaker 1: It's like I get to ski, and then I get
Speaker 1: to perform every weekend and work on my new material.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like a slam dunk. Okay, So
Speaker 1: you want to ski three months this year? What's the
Speaker 1: most number of days you skied in a year? Oh God,
Speaker 1: I never count that, but I would say probably like
Speaker 1: close to sixty. Okay. And if you ever skied to
Speaker 1: Portillo in South America? No, no, but I've talked about
Speaker 1: that a lot, and talked about Japan as well. But no,
Speaker 1: I have not yet gone, and obviously this might not
Speaker 1: be the year I've been. Once again, you don't want
Speaker 1: to book it too far in advance. It's all above
Speaker 1: tree line, so when it snows you literally can't go out.
Speaker 1: I mean I went out mentioning my girlfriend again. She
Speaker 1: almost got her losing the lesson. But it's like a
Speaker 1: cruise ship. The lifts are slow, but the power never
Speaker 1: gets skied out. It's a really interesting experience which will
Speaker 1: save So have you been to everywhere in the United States?
Speaker 1: Like tell your ride some valley, etcetera. I've been to
Speaker 1: Sunda Ali, I've been to tell you, I haven't been
Speaker 1: to like Crested Butte, I haven't been to a couple
Speaker 1: of Steamboat I've never been there, um, but my big place,
Speaker 1: I like park City because of the variety, obviously, so
Speaker 1: that's kind of my go to if I don't go
Speaker 1: to Whistler. I used to go to tell you ride
Speaker 1: every year, and then they stopped getting snow and that's
Speaker 1: when I pivoted my family vacation to Whistler. That was
Speaker 1: a good idea because I haven't need to tell you
Speaker 1: ride right the last time I was here, But they
Speaker 1: got a huge snow problem. I'm not a huge fan
Speaker 1: of park City. You ski a park City or Deer Valley.
Speaker 1: I like park City just because my guide is there.
Speaker 1: But we spend going We go to Snowbird and Alta
Speaker 1: every other day, you know, so I like the You
Speaker 1: know that as long as you can do that, Okay,
Speaker 1: But let's get back to the politics. So you know,
Speaker 1: Biden wins, although the Republicans don't seem to want to
Speaker 1: acknowledge them. No matter how many Republicans tell them that
Speaker 1: there was no election fraud, they don't seem to want
Speaker 1: to accept the obvious, which is very ironic considering how
Speaker 1: much they thought everybody else was a bad loser when
Speaker 1: Trump won the first time. But yeah, but the rules
Speaker 1: don't apply to them. What do you think about the
Speaker 1: seventy odd million who voted for Trump? Um, I think
Speaker 1: we have a lot of work to do, and I
Speaker 1: think that Joe Biden is probably a really good candidate
Speaker 1: to get that done. I think that there's a we
Speaker 1: need to be unified, and I think that he can
Speaker 1: appeal to all sorts of people, you know, in ways
Speaker 1: that uh, in ways that other presidents haven't and you know, uh,
Speaker 1: he speaks the right language. So I'm optimistic after this,
Speaker 1: the last month of behavior by Trump and if people
Speaker 1: seeing what a sore loser he is and the COVID
Speaker 1: and everything that he's bungled, I'm optimistic that people are
Speaker 1: being picked off. What I am concerned about as these
Speaker 1: you know, disinformation misinformation campaigns that places like Facebook allow
Speaker 1: spreading of misinformation regarded conspiracy theories and you know, falsehoods
Speaker 1: about COVID and that it's not you know, that it's
Speaker 1: a hoax. Like, I'm really concerned that half of our
Speaker 1: population believes a different set of facts or a set
Speaker 1: of truths which are not facts or truth. Uh So,
Speaker 1: I guess our job is like human beings moving forward
Speaker 1: is not to chastise those people for believing in conspiracy theories,
Speaker 1: but just demonstrate and show them like by humanity, like
Speaker 1: how the how wrapped up and wrong their information is.
Speaker 1: And that's not necessarily telling somebody, oh, you're an idiot,
Speaker 1: you're stupid. It's like, hey, why don't you let's talk
Speaker 1: about the fact that you guys think there's a pedophilia
Speaker 1: ring being run out of the downstairs basement of a
Speaker 1: pizza parlor, and when you look into that pizza parlor,
Speaker 1: they don't even have a fucking basement. It's like these
Speaker 1: people who believe in these theories couldn't have made that
Speaker 1: next step to look and see if the pizza parlor
Speaker 1: that they think the Clintons are running a pedophilia ring
Speaker 1: out of had a basement. Let's break down a few things.
Speaker 1: On this last show of the season, Bill Maher said,
Speaker 1: it's really a cult, and we need Katherine Oxenburg like
Speaker 1: trying to get her daughter India out of Nexium. So
Speaker 1: also the Democrats, and I'm a big lefty, far left
Speaker 1: of Biden. The Democrats are always playing defense while the
Speaker 1: Republicans set the agenda. So I believe This is one
Speaker 1: of the problems in Hollywood in general. Everybody's always apologizing. Okay,
Speaker 1: so when Hillary talked about the deplorables, she should have
Speaker 1: owned it. People should own their statements. So the question becomes,
Speaker 1: by talking to these people regularly, can we really convince
Speaker 1: them other? No, I mean you you may not be
Speaker 1: able to convince an entire swath of a population, but
Speaker 1: you can pick off people here and there, and then
Speaker 1: that spreads, you know, like it's you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it comes down to humanity. As far as
Speaker 1: I'm concerned, this is like a human rights election. You know,
Speaker 1: we're talking about people who have you know what, what
Speaker 1: white people have to do a to make up for
Speaker 1: the bad behavior that we've demonstrated since this country began.
Speaker 1: You know, this is an opportunity for us to be like,
Speaker 1: for us to spread the messaging for people who are
Speaker 1: passionate about politics and about progressive movements. It's this is
Speaker 1: the time. We don't want another like, you know, Obama
Speaker 1: administration just for Democrats because that was just dancing in
Speaker 1: the middle of the road because he was up against
Speaker 1: such racism. But we can achieve that with Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: So I'm with you on pushing him as left as possible,
Speaker 1: because we're trying to ameliorate this old guard of democratic moderates,
Speaker 1: and the future is forward, like young people are done
Speaker 1: with this climate bullshit that we've given them, so we
Speaker 1: have to act progressively and act like it's an emergency
Speaker 1: situation because it is. So I'm with you on going
Speaker 1: left and on convincing people. I'm never gonna stop trying.
Speaker 1: You know, people curse me out and tell me they're
Speaker 1: gonna kill me or that I'm a dumb whore blah
Speaker 1: blah blah all the time on social media, and I
Speaker 1: don't give a ship because every once in a while
Speaker 1: you connect with somebody who doesn't agree with you, and
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you show them a
Speaker 1: little humanity and they're like, hey, I'm sorry I spoke
Speaker 1: to you that way, I'm sorry that I called you
Speaker 1: a whore, and I'm like, great, okay, now can we
Speaker 1: talk about like what what are our other differences? And
Speaker 1: some people are just really alone, and we have to
Speaker 1: have a little bit more compassion for how people get
Speaker 1: interested in following conspiracy theories in the first place, Like
Speaker 1: you know, it starts much earlier than that if you're
Speaker 1: that vulnerable to too false ideas. Okay, now you mentioned
Speaker 1: on Howard that you're a book big reader of books.
Speaker 1: Did you read the book? It was raised as one
Speaker 1: of the top ten of the year, called a children's
Speaker 1: Bible by Lydia Millen. No, I did not, Well, this
Speaker 1: was book, you know, it's one of these books that
Speaker 1: sort of, you know, in a world where everybody is
Speaker 1: full of ship I only like to recommend slam dunks.
Speaker 1: But the interesting thing about this book when you finish it,
Speaker 1: it's about uh younger and older generation sharing a vacation
Speaker 1: house and then a apocalyptic event happens, a storm. And
Speaker 1: what it really shows how we have to transfer power
Speaker 1: to the young people. The older people just dicking around
Speaker 1: and about lifestyle, and it's the young people who know
Speaker 1: what all the issues are. Now. I was first for
Speaker 1: Warren before she compromised. Once she compromised herself on Medicare
Speaker 1: for walls, once she blinked, I knew she was done.
Speaker 1: Then I went back to Bernie. Now, needless to say,
Speaker 1: I think that the Democrats, you know, they lined up
Speaker 1: behind Biden. I am not optimistic. I'm a big believer
Speaker 1: in AOC those two. You have to throw the long
Speaker 1: ball to get people excited. And I'm not gonna say
Speaker 1: I'm anti Biden, etcetera, but being Jew, I am pessimistic.
Speaker 1: Let's start with Georgia. Do you think we'll pick up
Speaker 1: those two seats? I honestly don't know. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Listen, it's possible. We flipped it blue, so
Speaker 1: it is possible. It is possible. Unfortunately, you have to
Speaker 1: win by fifty point one percent, and the Republicans were
Speaker 1: way ahead, but you never really know. It was Stacy
Speaker 1: Abrams of course getting people to vote. But let's say
Speaker 1: hypothetically the Senate remains in Republican control. Isn't it sort
Speaker 1: of hard to be optimistic. Yeah, that becomes a different
Speaker 1: story moving forward. Uh, and then Joe Biden really has to, like,
Speaker 1: you know, figure out a way. You know. Let's listen,
Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell and Joe Biden have known each other for
Speaker 1: fifty years. Mitch McConnell is the biggest piece of ship
Speaker 1: that I can think of right now. But they have
Speaker 1: a relationship, and if anyone is going to get anything
Speaker 1: done with him, it would be Joe Biden, not Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 1: Not Barack Obama, Joe Biden. I like that you're speaking
Speaker 1: English because in you know, amongst the established Democrats, you
Speaker 1: can't say anything negative about Obama and I have nothing
Speaker 1: negative to say about him or his morals. But he
Speaker 1: was so fearful of appearing the angrily angry black men
Speaker 1: that he constantly, you know, was trying to make peace
Speaker 1: with Republicans who never had any intention to do so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, listen, you know that's whose fault is that?
Speaker 1: Not his? I mean, they're a bunch of racist white assholes.
Speaker 1: You know, this is the old Guard. It's like the
Speaker 1: death cough of racism is our Senate. I mean, have
Speaker 1: you ever watched any of these Senate hearings? And look
Speaker 1: how old every fucking person is. You're like, excuse me?
Speaker 1: Is that they're supposed to be? Like remember when people
Speaker 1: went into politics to represent their community for two years
Speaker 1: or four years and then they went back to their
Speaker 1: regular jobs because it wasn't supposed to be a professional career.
Speaker 1: Being a politician. Was supposed to be like, Oh, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go represent my neighbors, my community. And now we
Speaker 1: have all this money in politics and everybody's just full
Speaker 1: of ship, you know, and you're up against money and
Speaker 1: you can't fight that. So there is hope with this
Speaker 1: administration to at least start discussing getting money out of politics,
Speaker 1: like that's something Kamala cares about strongly, and that's something
Speaker 1: that Biden has been a little bit resistant to discuss.
Speaker 1: But I think we're going to get there because he
Speaker 1: has to. He has to be accountable to so many
Speaker 1: groups of marginalized communities right now. You know, he can't
Speaker 1: get away with any funny stuff right now. Well, I
Speaker 1: think the problem you reference is the boomers. The boomers
Speaker 1: were always the largest population bulge, and even though they're
Speaker 1: out of touch and I'm a boomer myself, they feel
Speaker 1: entitled to rule. We've certainly seen this over the last
Speaker 1: twenty five years. With tech. They don't even understand what
Speaker 1: is going on. You know, as we speak, their suing Facebook,
Speaker 1: but they still can't understand what is going on there.
Speaker 1: Do you think Newsom is an empty suit? Are good?
Speaker 1: I me, And I don't know how you feel that,
Speaker 1: but I think he's bungled this COVID response for sure.
Speaker 1: It's like there's no straight messaging. He bowed for economic
Speaker 1: pressure in the beginning now we're rolling back. Then it
Speaker 1: hit California harder, like it just didn't make any sense. It's,
Speaker 1: you know, closing dining at this point, it's we're all
Speaker 1: at our own risk, right, And I understand the hospitals
Speaker 1: are being overwhelmed, and then when that happens, we have
Speaker 1: to shut down the businesses. But like we're not giving
Speaker 1: people stimulus and we're also telling them they can't work.
Speaker 1: That doesn't work. Well, yeah, you are at the root
Speaker 1: of the matter. I mean, certainly in Canada they've done
Speaker 1: a good job. We have to give the people money.
Speaker 1: You know, we have the billionaires and the corporations. First
Speaker 1: of all, the corporations took all the money in the
Speaker 1: last fucking hand out. Exactly, people can't pay their rent.
Speaker 1: What do they expect to happen? And economically, it's been
Speaker 1: proven that by opening the country, the public won't go
Speaker 1: It's like the movie theaters. Public won't go there. It's
Speaker 1: too scared. So you know, you know, Trump's opinion was, well,
Speaker 1: open up everything and it will work. Not only does
Speaker 1: it not work on a medical level, We've seen that
Speaker 1: in Sweden people are too afraid to go out. Well,
Speaker 1: some people don't give a ship and they'll go anywhere.
Speaker 1: But but the thing is, well, not everybody dies, that's
Speaker 1: the problem. So people don't take it so seriously because
Speaker 1: they think they're strong enough and they're not going to
Speaker 1: be affected by it in a dealiterarious way. But what
Speaker 1: I would say is like, you know, thinking that we
Speaker 1: should shut everything down for once our hospitals are like
Speaker 1: at MAX, Yes, absolutely we should shut everything down. People.
Speaker 1: We can't abuse them. They've been abused for a year now,
Speaker 1: We've abused all of our hospital and frontline workers. But uh,
Speaker 1: I would say until that MAX is hit, it is
Speaker 1: so important. Like for people who think I just want
Speaker 1: to shut everything down, I don't want anything open. It's
Speaker 1: like it's a very elitist mentality to think because you
Speaker 1: can survive for the next six months without any income,
Speaker 1: that everything should be shut down. Some people need to
Speaker 1: fucking work. Most people need to work week to week
Speaker 1: to week to week. So it's not it's not helpful,
Speaker 1: you know, especially when we're not getting they're not getting
Speaker 1: these stimulus packages people who need them, you know. So
Speaker 1: it is like, you know, it's a working it's a
Speaker 1: nice thing for people to say, oh, we have to
Speaker 1: shut everything down. But it's like, we'll look at your life.
Speaker 1: Is it gonna affect you in that way? Well, let's
Speaker 1: talk about you specifically. How seriously have you taken quarantine? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: I filmed my special during COVID If that gives you
Speaker 1: any insight in in their social distaning kind of like
Speaker 1: a Chappell show, but on a day by day basis
Speaker 1: when you're not working and most people are not working. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't. I wear a mask wherever I go. I
Speaker 1: bide by, so I wear a mask when I'm outside
Speaker 1: taking a walk, just like as an example to other
Speaker 1: neighbors and stuff like, hey, I take this seriously, so
Speaker 1: should you? Kind of, But I'm pretty good. I definitely
Speaker 1: have a lot of people coming to my house, Like outside,
Speaker 1: I have social gatherings with three or four friends, Like
Speaker 1: my girlfriends are coming over tonight, but we'll sit outside
Speaker 1: distanced and we'll have cocktails. And will you wear them
Speaker 1: masks when you're not actually sipping your cocktail? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did. We have been the last a few times
Speaker 1: because of the numbers spiking so as much. Um. I
Speaker 1: have also a home test kit because I have white
Speaker 1: privilege and I am wealthy, so I can test anybody
Speaker 1: who comes to my house, and I test myself all
Speaker 1: the time also, so we can get a little bit
Speaker 1: slower because there's issues as to the accuracy of that.
Speaker 1: And there's also a supposedly new one that's very accurate.
Speaker 1: So how long have you had this, kid? Tell us
Speaker 1: a little bit more about it. Mine's the que Health one.
Speaker 1: I just got it, so it's supposed to be ninety accurate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's the new one, right, Yeah, So I've I took,
Speaker 1: I ruined three tests trying to figure out how to
Speaker 1: use it, but I finally did. And now, I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: a test isn't a free I want to be very specific.
Speaker 1: So how much did this unit cost? Back? Five ground okay?
Speaker 1: And how does it work? They give you a cartridge
Speaker 1: which is like the bulk of the price. I think
Speaker 1: it's like eight hund dollars. Then each test is like
Speaker 1: two hundred and something dollars. It comes down to um
Speaker 1: and then every time you use a test, it's like
Speaker 1: it's hooked up to your You download the app on
Speaker 1: your phone, you keep your phone by the cartridge, you
Speaker 1: put your you do your nasal swab in each nostril
Speaker 1: five times and then you plug it into the cartridge
Speaker 1: and in twenty minutes it will give you your result. Wow.
Speaker 1: Do you know anybody who's died? Mm hmmm directly? Do
Speaker 1: I know anybody who's died from COVID No, not no,
Speaker 1: no one directly. But I've friends, parents and stuff, but
Speaker 1: no one. Unfortunately I do. Uh. But also going back
Speaker 1: to Howard Stern, we were very open. You were talking
Speaker 1: about the issue of a nascent relationship in dating. How
Speaker 1: do you addressed that during COVID era. At first, I
Speaker 1: have them come over and sit in my backyard while
Speaker 1: I interview them for thirty minutes, and then if I
Speaker 1: decide that I would like to move forward with some
Speaker 1: sexual activity, I asked them about their COVID seriousness, what
Speaker 1: they do, and obviously at this point they're motivated by
Speaker 1: other things, so who knows if they're telling me the truth.
Speaker 1: But I give everyone a COVID test as soon as
Speaker 1: they get here. And while that's not a hundred percent safe,
Speaker 1: I mean a hundred set fool proof, it's still you know,
Speaker 1: I just I just do that. But I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't date a ton, but I definitely have started
Speaker 1: dating because I'm going out of my mind. Okay, what
Speaker 1: is the Chelsea test? Well, first of all, you can't
Speaker 1: wear shoes or a belt that is going to annoy me,
Speaker 1: right like I can look at a pair of shoes
Speaker 1: and be completely turned off. Ok just different gradations. If
Speaker 1: someone comes in with you know, the generic term is
Speaker 1: nikes or converse, is that a turn offer? Is it
Speaker 1: still possible? That's possible, that's cool, that's fine. And what
Speaker 1: if they don't have a belt at all? Even better?
Speaker 1: I prefer not to deal with the belt. Okay, there's
Speaker 1: a sexual innuendo there will Okay for you, there was
Speaker 1: not for me. Okay, let me ask you. Can you
Speaker 1: look at somebody just like you can instantly look at
Speaker 1: some one and tell them what drugs they should be on.
Speaker 1: Can you instantly look at somebody and it's thumbs upper,
Speaker 1: thumbs down? Yeah for sure. But let me say this,
Speaker 1: A sense of humor can make up for a lot,
Speaker 1: right Like if you're funny or and not even necessarily funny,
Speaker 1: but well yeah kind of you have to be funny.
Speaker 1: Just getting the jokes sometimes isn't enough you Sometimes I
Speaker 1: like somebody who can make getting the jokes. I came
Speaker 1: up with that college where there weren't that many Jews.
Speaker 1: You know, if you can't get the jokes, forget it right, right,
Speaker 1: But a sense of humor does make it's so like
Speaker 1: I am a sucker for that. Okay, But the person
Speaker 1: the mail comes for the interview, uh. In terms of
Speaker 1: their clothing, let's soon they get over the first turtle,
Speaker 1: like if they're wearing if they're wearing cologne, it's a no,
Speaker 1: I don't like any sense, okay, but but I'm going
Speaker 1: a little bit beyond that. If you know, these are
Speaker 1: the nose, the belt, the shoes, the cologne. However, if
Speaker 1: someone comes dressed evidencing, uh, they want to send an
Speaker 1: image that they're rich, can they can you get past that?
Speaker 1: Or you say, you know this is just too phony, etcetera,
Speaker 1: Like how would you try to prove you're rich about people?
Speaker 1: They're certain jewelry you can wear the gelgy has also
Speaker 1: that be gives that's a boner killer for me jewelry. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's assume the person gets over the physical question marks.
Speaker 1: Is it more of an interview or more banter banter repartee?
Speaker 1: I like to have a little chemistry, you know, conversational chemistry.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. Banter, that's how I flirt. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're a very irreverent person. And you also said you
Speaker 1: went to therapy, but you have no need for therapy
Speaker 1: at this particular moment, not that you might not tomorrow,
Speaker 1: but not right now. So if I'm dating Chelsea Handler,
Speaker 1: when do I get the real Chelsea? The inside you're
Speaker 1: angst your hopes, your dreams. I mean, I'm pretty I'm
Speaker 1: pretty out. I mean, I'm pretty outspoken about the truth
Speaker 1: of who I am. I'm not. I don't have a
Speaker 1: like persona uh not intentionally anyway. Um, I'm I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty open to talking about real ship, you know.
Speaker 1: I also that's a thing like people who aren't willing
Speaker 1: to go deep. I don't. I find that boring. But
Speaker 1: you're very active and I would tend to think that
Speaker 1: you would dominate most men. Yes, okay, and ultimately the
Speaker 1: men you've been involved with. What does the power structure
Speaker 1: look like? I'm in charge and yeah, and that's the structure.
Speaker 1: And the time I've had one relationship where I was
Speaker 1: not in charge and that didn't I didn't like that.
Speaker 1: And how long did that relationship last? Two and a
Speaker 1: half years, but with a couple of breakups in between,
Speaker 1: because the end me breaking up with him. And could
Speaker 1: he accept it? Yeah, I mean he didn't. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he accepted it. Okay. But if you're in charge, that
Speaker 1: would tend to look like the other person would be
Speaker 1: insecure on some level and afraid of alienating you. If
Speaker 1: I'm in charge, well they should be. That's good. I
Speaker 1: think that's a good dynamic in a relationship. Who's in
Speaker 1: charge with your relationship with your girlfriend, it sounds like
Speaker 1: your girlfriend. It sounds like your girlfriend has I would
Speaker 1: I was in charge for Okay. I've had multiple relationships.
Speaker 1: When I was in law school, I lived with a
Speaker 1: person for years, then I did and then I lived
Speaker 1: with a person that I was married too, and then
Speaker 1: there were like fifteen years and I've been living with
Speaker 1: this woman for fifteen years, and everything was My mother
Speaker 1: recently died, and as a result, I'm close to my
Speaker 1: sisters anyway. She fled a full life, although you know,
Speaker 1: passing as serious, and I can see the family dynamic
Speaker 1: growing up definitely affected who I am and how I interact.
Speaker 1: My father certainly brought home the bacon, but my mother
Speaker 1: directed all the social elements. And I have two sisters,
Speaker 1: so I grew up in a female dominated household. I
Speaker 1: have no trouble talking to women. But and you were
Speaker 1: kind of referencing this in your special ultimate, and I
Speaker 1: was talking to my dhrink about you this. You know,
Speaker 1: will you put it out there and say, okay, let's
Speaker 1: do it. Not that I had never had sex on
Speaker 1: the first date, okay, but I'm so busy respecting people
Speaker 1: that I can't read the signal that maybe the person
Speaker 1: would want to do it with me. Right, And by
Speaker 1: the way, as a white guy, you need to read
Speaker 1: that signal because the biggest problem white men have is
Speaker 1: not listening to what women are saying, which is usually
Speaker 1: get away from me, no. So it's important that you like,
Speaker 1: let the woman make sure you know what she's interested in.
Speaker 1: That's historically when you know, you're obviously a product of
Speaker 1: the modern day where you have no you're not caught
Speaker 1: up in the mail in society more rays. But as
Speaker 1: I say, my problem is maybe I'm respecting a little
Speaker 1: too much. I mean, I I didn't grow up. I'm
Speaker 1: not a member of fraternity. I'm not a guy who
Speaker 1: you know, has any bro culture and I can be
Speaker 1: turned off by that. But let's just assume. I mean,
Speaker 1: we all have issues. So you're lying in bed with
Speaker 1: the with the guy, will you spontaneously talk about your
Speaker 1: inner issues? Inner issues? Yeah, I'm not opposed to that.
Speaker 1: I will. I'm not talking about opposed. Is we look back?
Speaker 1: Is that something that happens. Yes, I mean, of course,
Speaker 1: when you're intimate with somebody and you feel like you're
Speaker 1: interested in them. If it's not just sex, which sometimes
Speaker 1: it is, then no. But if it's someone you're interested
Speaker 1: in when there's chemistry, then yes, absolutely. Okay, So with
Speaker 1: the guy, what about you, Bob, Are you interested in
Speaker 1: sharing your innermost feelings? I'm interested that in most, But
Speaker 1: something happened to me about twenty five years ago. You know.
Speaker 1: The interesting thing is, uh, my father was certainly very outspoken,
Speaker 1: and my mother. To my mother, as I always say,
Speaker 1: it was like when Reggie Jackson came to the Yankees,
Speaker 1: he said he was the straw that stirs the drink.
Speaker 1: And so I am certainly the all that. I mean
Speaker 1: my mother certainly is I went away to college. I
Speaker 1: grew up in the suburbs of Connecticut, fifty miles from
Speaker 1: New York so it's all New York media, etcetera. I
Speaker 1: went to college in the middle of nowhere, in the
Speaker 1: pre DVD VHS era, never mind a little bit after that.
Speaker 1: But in any event, I had never been involved with
Speaker 1: that many non Jews who were wealthy, who did not
Speaker 1: understand the Jewish experience, and a interacting with don Jews
Speaker 1: is very different from interacting with Jews. And you have
Speaker 1: a certain profile at this point, the average person does
Speaker 1: not know how to interact with celebrity or wealth. I
Speaker 1: went to college, there was Betsy Bass from Baths Show's
Speaker 1: Eileen Rockefeller. I mean, these were people, and you learned
Speaker 1: how to interact. To this day, you know, if I'm
Speaker 1: with their per certain people, I can't bring them along
Speaker 1: because there'll be someone famous and they'll they'll literally embarrass you.
Speaker 1: But the point was I was very vocal, okay, once
Speaker 1: I started to right full time and eighty six, and
Speaker 1: I had regular jobs before that in the music and
Speaker 1: film industry. Somehow I've become internalized, and even though I have,
Speaker 1: you know, six figures worth of people listening to me
Speaker 1: every day, on some level, I feel a little isolated.
Speaker 1: So it makes it more difficult for me to tell
Speaker 1: my story, and you're great because you're having you're telling,
Speaker 1: You're getting me to tell my story. But first and foremost,
Speaker 1: one thing you learn, and i'n't employed as a trick.
Speaker 1: Most people love to talk about themselves and they will
Speaker 1: set tell you absolutely anything. I'm not one of those
Speaker 1: people is going to use it against you, but I
Speaker 1: find it fascinating. Everybody's got a life story to tell,
Speaker 1: and I want to hear it. But frequently when I
Speaker 1: start telling my story, you hear noise in the background.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm rearranging the cupboard whatever. That's because you're
Speaker 1: not saying anything though, You're just you're glossing over the
Speaker 1: question that I asked you. I'm asking you seriously, are
Speaker 1: you into getting deep with with your partners? Say? Are
Speaker 1: you're into having deep conversations? Because absolutely, if anything, I'm
Speaker 1: too deep for people. It's like that Mark Cohn song,
Speaker 1: dig down Deep. There is nothing I would rather do
Speaker 1: than talk about my emotions. They analyze other people's motivations.
Speaker 1: I love that. Well, you're Jew, though, so Jews love
Speaker 1: to do that. It's like Howard you know, he loves
Speaker 1: to talk about you know, That's why it makes a
Speaker 1: good interviewer and on the subject though what you can
Speaker 1: ask me, you continue, no interrupts me, go ahead. I
Speaker 1: used to, Uh, you know, there are a lot of people.
Speaker 1: My father was one of those people who would say,
Speaker 1: what's the real story here? You know, you see somebody
Speaker 1: living in your neighborhood at the time, driving a Cadillac,
Speaker 1: going on vacation, but they don't seem to work. There's
Speaker 1: always a story, that's what interests me. Where a lot
Speaker 1: of people they take it on face value. Obviously in
Speaker 1: Hollywood you have a lot of people living on debt,
Speaker 1: driving expensive cars. One bad thing happens, they lose everything.
Speaker 1: But there's more than that, especially when you're privileged like
Speaker 1: you are, and I am to interact with people who
Speaker 1: have a lot of money, and you realize they say
Speaker 1: they have a job, but they really don't. And then
Speaker 1: you know, people do you know. There's one of the
Speaker 1: things that bothers me about Hollywood and famous people is
Speaker 1: these people who get divorced and say, oh, I'm over
Speaker 1: it and immediately get another relationship. If you were in
Speaker 1: a deep relationship, it's gonna take you a long time
Speaker 1: to get over that if you're honest, Because here's someone
Speaker 1: who knows all your personal stories, all your motivations, your acts,
Speaker 1: and and you know I'm not I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: believe in being friends after But even if you are friends,
Speaker 1: that's a little antiquated. I mean, I'm not friends with
Speaker 1: many of my Well, actually that's not true. If enough
Speaker 1: time passes, you can be friends. But like, I also
Speaker 1: find that suspicious when people are friends with their exes.
Speaker 1: But then when I really break it down, it's like,
Speaker 1: that's exactly the way it should be. You should want
Speaker 1: to be friends with the person that you dated or
Speaker 1: that you dated or dating. I find it too painful.
Speaker 1: I used to sleep with this person in the bed.
Speaker 1: I shared everything, and you can interact with them and
Speaker 1: it clicks right back. This is both good and bad.
Speaker 1: You know, you we can with someone you say, well,
Speaker 1: should I have broken up with them, and within seconds
Speaker 1: of reconnecting with them, you see exactly why you write.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, I forgot why this person annoys me,
Speaker 1: and then I remember, But it's hard for me after
Speaker 1: having shared all that stuff. You know, we live in
Speaker 1: a completely phony world where everybody is full of shit.
Speaker 1: So when you get down to the essence of it,
Speaker 1: that's when you really feel like a human being. Also,
Speaker 1: when you get older, you realize it's all bullshit. I
Speaker 1: have compassion. I believe everybody is a title to food
Speaker 1: on their plate and a roof over their house, you know,
Speaker 1: because when you're desperate, and I've been desperate, that's really bad.
Speaker 1: Other than that, accomplishments, it's all irrelevant. Ultimately, none of
Speaker 1: us will be remembered, and in a short term probably
Speaker 1: people will be remembered. Weren't even that famous in our era.
Speaker 1: So it's about your interact. This is one of the
Speaker 1: problems with men. Men. It's all about a totem pole.
Speaker 1: I gotta get this. I gotta that where a woman
Speaker 1: can go from experience to experience. So generally, okay, let's
Speaker 1: say you break up with somebody. You'll call all your friends.
Speaker 1: You'll tell the story. So I'm coming over with some
Speaker 1: you know, sweet, some chalkol ate, whatever, and you'll talk
Speaker 1: it out. If you call a guy. If a guy
Speaker 1: calls a guy, you say, oh, come over, let's sit
Speaker 1: on the couch and watch some sports. They can't even
Speaker 1: get into this. They can't even discuss it. It's like
Speaker 1: and the best part is if you're a girl and
Speaker 1: you break up with a guy and you wonder if
Speaker 1: he's talking to his friends about you. He's not. I
Speaker 1: never heard him said that way, but that is absolutely true.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, he's gonna talk to his friends and
Speaker 1: they're gonna tell him how great I was and how
Speaker 1: he fucked up. And then you're like, no, they're not.
Speaker 1: They're just gonna be like, Okay, good, We're glad that's over.
Speaker 1: You know, you have this idea like women are able
Speaker 1: to make up, and you know this is just because
Speaker 1: of the construct of everything, you know, societal construct and
Speaker 1: stuff that we've you know, there's so much value place
Speaker 1: on the way a woman thinks versus the way a
Speaker 1: man thinks, because we're so different. And the bottom line is,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah we're a little bit different, but we're
Speaker 1: the same more than more different. And like, when I
Speaker 1: find a guy that can really actually talk intellectually about
Speaker 1: his emotions or about his feelings, like that is the
Speaker 1: biggest turn on. And that's what's happening now. You know,
Speaker 1: like men have to come to the table with more
Speaker 1: than just they're you know, they're dick in their hands.
Speaker 1: Excuse my French for those seventeenth time I've cursed on
Speaker 1: this podcast. Curse as much as you want, but they
Speaker 1: have to come to the table with a little bit more,
Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. You can't just be
Speaker 1: a guy trying to get laid and have no depth
Speaker 1: to you. It's like you can, but then you're gonna
Speaker 1: get You're gonna get the mirror image of yourself. Okay.
Speaker 1: Has anyone ever broken up with you? Um? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember hold on, uh broken up with me? Yes.
Speaker 1: I had a guy, a boyfriend when I was like
Speaker 1: in my twenties. He he owned the building that I
Speaker 1: lived in Santa Monica. I lived on Wilshore and at
Speaker 1: this building, and his name was Bijon. He was Persian,
Speaker 1: but he went by John, so I didn't know he
Speaker 1: was Persian until I was dating for about four months
Speaker 1: and saw Bien written somewhere. I'm like, hold up, what
Speaker 1: are you Persian? And he said yes I am. I'm like,
Speaker 1: okay that okay, I didn't know that, thank you. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we had a cute little relationship for like six months.
Speaker 1: I was really into him. I was probably twenty five
Speaker 1: six years old, and I was hustling doing stand up
Speaker 1: around town, and I had had a couple of small
Speaker 1: breaks and he didn't like that I wanted to be
Speaker 1: in the entertainment industry or that I wanted to be
Speaker 1: famous or any of that stuff. It was a big
Speaker 1: turn off to him, as it would have been to myself,
Speaker 1: by the way. Uh. And so I said, I'm gonna write.
Speaker 1: I got a book deal, was my very first book deal,
Speaker 1: and it was a book about all my one night
Speaker 1: stands that I had had in my twenties. It was
Speaker 1: called My Horizontal Life, a collection of one night stands.
Speaker 1: And he said, if you write a book like that, like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be dating you. And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, really and he so he broke up
Speaker 1: with me. And you know, when you're immature and you're
Speaker 1: a girl, you really believe like everyone's going to come
Speaker 1: to their senses like that they're gonna miss you so
Speaker 1: much that they're going to come back and you know,
Speaker 1: want to be with you. And he was not interested
Speaker 1: in being with me. I mean I begged him to
Speaker 1: get back together like twice. He said, no, as long
Speaker 1: as you want to be in the entertainment industry, I'm
Speaker 1: not interested in that. Well, that's black. That's black and white.
Speaker 1: That makes it easy. But don't you think it's interesting
Speaker 1: that you're usually the person who breaks up with the
Speaker 1: other person. Well, not considering my history, I don't really
Speaker 1: trust men, you know, until I like time out, time out.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Chelsea Handler doesn't trust men. I'm an
Speaker 1: independent woman. So, as I talked about in my special,
Speaker 1: you know, my brother passed away when I was nine
Speaker 1: years old, and he you know, he was an accident,
Speaker 1: but he told me, like looked me in the eye
Speaker 1: right before he left and said, I will never leave
Speaker 1: you with these people. He was talking about my parents.
Speaker 1: But he was going on a hiking trip in Jackson,
Speaker 1: oh Wyoming, and he said that to me because I
Speaker 1: was questioning why he was going away without the family.
Speaker 1: I'd never been separated from my brother before ever. He
Speaker 1: was the oldest. I was the youngest of six. And
Speaker 1: when he said I'll never leave it with these people, like,
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that feeling like, oh, this man is
Speaker 1: going to take care of me for the rest of
Speaker 1: my life. He cares more about me than anybody. And
Speaker 1: he died three days later, got into a hiking accident,
Speaker 1: fell off a Cliff and died. And then my father's
Speaker 1: reaction to that was also as withdrawn. Like my dad,
Speaker 1: who was very present in my life up until my
Speaker 1: brother's death, it made me lose trusted men, like as
Speaker 1: a unit, like the two guys that I relied on
Speaker 1: the most had disappointed me. And so I, you know,
Speaker 1: I walked through life with this. I don't need anybody.
Speaker 1: I don't need anybody. I'll never depend on a man again.
Speaker 1: They can't be trusted. Men can't be trusted. Men can't
Speaker 1: be trusted, you know. And I didn't unpack the until
Speaker 1: I was forty years old and Trump was elected, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm mad at Donald Up. I can't
Speaker 1: believe he's the president. And my psychiatrists would just sit
Speaker 1: there and let me run in circles for like six weeks,
Speaker 1: until he finally was like, your anger is not about
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. There's something else that this is triggering, Like
Speaker 1: this is deeper, and this is from your childhood. And
Speaker 1: I was like, there's no way I'm going to talk
Speaker 1: about my childhood with this fucking guy. And then two
Speaker 1: weeks later, you know, I just he opened my brain
Speaker 1: in a way that I hadn't been exposed to before
Speaker 1: to actually take a real look at how I gone
Speaker 1: through my life and what the biggest impacts were, and
Speaker 1: not taking my brother's death seriously, not enough to think
Speaker 1: I had to go to therapy for it because I did. Well,
Speaker 1: you're obviously a very strong person. That's probably one of
Speaker 1: the reasons you resisted therapy. And you say you only
Speaker 1: want to rely on yourself. But when you talk about
Speaker 1: your father and your brother, there's certainly male but it's
Speaker 1: also caught up in the family unit. So and I
Speaker 1: certainly understand your point. It's about extrapolating that into your
Speaker 1: regular life. But is has it been so dominant that
Speaker 1: your experiences with men one on one as an adult
Speaker 1: don't affect that, or have you also had experiences with
Speaker 1: men as an adults that you say they're not pressworthy? Well? Both,
Speaker 1: I think. I think I didn't know, like you know,
Speaker 1: what kind of guy to trust, and I didn't trust anyone.
Speaker 1: So it was a constant battle of me trying to
Speaker 1: make them show me how much they were going to
Speaker 1: do for me or how much they loved me, Like
Speaker 1: if you love me, prove it. It was like, you know, black,
Speaker 1: very black and white. Um, so I was dealing with
Speaker 1: men as like as a as a nine year old
Speaker 1: little girl essentially, you know, like that immaturity, that where
Speaker 1: I was stuck. I was stuck at that age and
Speaker 1: many aspects of my life. And once somebody said that
Speaker 1: out loud to me, I was like, Oh, I've read
Speaker 1: so many books about this, and yet I never recognized
Speaker 1: myself in it, you know, because it's so hard to
Speaker 1: see your own situation. Sometimes, you know, everybody else can
Speaker 1: look at me and go, well, of course she's like
Speaker 1: this because her brother Dawn when she was nine, or
Speaker 1: you know, her father this and that, and it's like,
Speaker 1: but you you don't always see how you are behaving.
Speaker 1: You don't always have a clear self awareness. And I
Speaker 1: think that's the biggest gift of therapy is the gift
Speaker 1: of self awareness. Okay, so having gotten these insights had
Speaker 1: does it change your behavior with men subsequent there too? Totally?
Speaker 1: Everything is different. Everything is different in my life. I
Speaker 1: have so much more patience. I meditate every single morning.
Speaker 1: This morning, I meditated for thirty minutes until I was
Speaker 1: rudely interrupted by Irving as Off and Shelly A's Off
Speaker 1: calling me together postcoital hopefully um first thing this morning.
Speaker 1: But I I meditate. I don't react in the way
Speaker 1: that I used to. I respond now, you know, if
Speaker 1: I get a ext or an email that I disagree
Speaker 1: with or I don't like, I don't fire it off
Speaker 1: in this angry energy where you're on your phone, like
Speaker 1: what what? I don't panic anymore. I just know that, like,
Speaker 1: I have a zen quality that I just never had before.
Speaker 1: And it's made me be able to sit with myself
Speaker 1: for long periods of time without having anything to do.
Speaker 1: It's made me calm down. You know. It was, like
Speaker 1: I say, cannabis. I always joked that cannabis was my
Speaker 1: gateway drug into meditation, but it's true. Like I started,
Speaker 1: you know, when it was legalized here, because obviously I
Speaker 1: would never do anything illegal. Bob, I'm not I I
Speaker 1: got the joke like another comedian. I'm just laughing in
Speaker 1: my mind. I started, um, you know, using cannabis, and
Speaker 1: I started drinking a lot less because you know, when
Speaker 1: you're angry about something, and alcohol is like a hat
Speaker 1: on a hat. So my pivot to cannabis kind of
Speaker 1: relaxed me altogether. And I'm a real big proponent of
Speaker 1: it now because a little bit slower. One might say, well,
Speaker 1: it's like a sex a little bit slower, Like you
Speaker 1: said that like three times, you're gonna I want to
Speaker 1: stop at You're No, you're not going too fast. You're
Speaker 1: saying so many interesting things that I don't want to
Speaker 1: run past them with and lose them. In the overall conversation,
Speaker 1: you're talking about arm cure psychology you get from the books.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't arm cure psychologists say that, uh, you are self
Speaker 1: medicating and that maybe there's a better drug to reduce
Speaker 1: your panic and melo ja? Yeah, I mean whatever, who
Speaker 1: cares if? I mean a psychiatrist, he's a professional. He no,
Speaker 1: he did. I told him. I came in hot one day.
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, I've told him about this, you
Speaker 1: know re uh, this renaissance of cannabis and now that
Speaker 1: there's this educational component to cannabis. Where you look there,
Speaker 1: it's labeled. Now you know what you're taking. You're not
Speaker 1: taking a cookie that's some guy put pot in. You know,
Speaker 1: you're not taking like unum unlabeled amounts of THHC. It's
Speaker 1: it tells you what you're taking. Okay, But did your
Speaker 1: doctor ever say I want to give you an antidepression,
Speaker 1: or a different job. No, I don't have a depressive personality.
Speaker 1: That wasn't my issue. My issue was anger, not depression.
Speaker 1: I don't have it. I don't have anxiety. I don't
Speaker 1: have depression. I am in a different box of personalities. Okay,
Speaker 1: but what other issues do you have besides anger and
Speaker 1: mistrusting men? Patients, lack of patients, lack of deeper, deeper,
Speaker 1: I'm talking more Chelsea, at the root level. Lack of
Speaker 1: empathy was pretty d root. Wow. Wow, So has this
Speaker 1: been historic? You've never really had empathy? No, I had
Speaker 1: to have him sympathy, Yes, like sympathy. I'm happy to
Speaker 1: help anyone, even if it's a stranger, but certainly my friends.
Speaker 1: I've shown up on people's beds, you know, millions of
Speaker 1: times in my life and stayed there, you know, not
Speaker 1: just the day that somebody dies or that you know
Speaker 1: someone's unfaithful, or but the days after. I'm very good
Speaker 1: at helping people through crises, like that's one of my things.
Speaker 1: Because my childhood was a crisis or a crisis. It
Speaker 1: was like it was built of many crises. So I
Speaker 1: know how to act in an emergency situation. I'm a fixer.
Speaker 1: I go in and I man handle the situation, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is what we're gonna do. This is
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do, and I don't leave until my
Speaker 1: patient is better. Like, I take it that seriously. But
Speaker 1: empathy is actually doing all of those things while imagining
Speaker 1: what it's like to be the person that I'm helping. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm that's that's something that I never even could grasp. Okay,
Speaker 1: but is that also related to the experience you had
Speaker 1: when your brother died and your father disconnected? Possibly? I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. I'm sure it is. Uh, but it's
Speaker 1: definitely something that I had to cultivate, you know. And
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, the minute he said that,
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, where do I get empathy? I
Speaker 1: was like, is there an app I can download? He's like, no, No,
Speaker 1: this is something that you can work on and cultivate. Like,
Speaker 1: you have to start thinking about people and their lives
Speaker 1: and their experiences, not just how it relates to you.
Speaker 1: Like if somebody at an airport is annoying instead of
Speaker 1: you know me, it's like, oh, well, think about where
Speaker 1: they're coming from. Think about what's going on in their life,
Speaker 1: think about their wife or their children. It's like broadening
Speaker 1: your understanding of other people, although that's different. You know,
Speaker 1: we both know how hard it is to make it
Speaker 1: in the entertainment business, and those people may be struggling
Speaker 1: through life. But you have to be very one minded
Speaker 1: to be successful, and you can't spend that much time
Speaker 1: with time wasters who are not helping your career. So
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a quid pro quote. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying you're untrue, but it's like, say, you know,
Speaker 1: my father, you know, used to call these people schnooks,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's like you don't want to waste
Speaker 1: time with your with the shnooks, etcetera. And I, you know,
Speaker 1: I go crazy too. But it's also somewhat there's a
Speaker 1: fast lean and a slow lane, and it's interesting to me,
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like, uh, it's the poor
Speaker 1: people who give more money percentage wise to charities than
Speaker 1: the rich. The poor have more empathy. It's a very
Speaker 1: interesting topic. It is a very interesting topic, and it's
Speaker 1: valuable to have. It's valuable to you know, to think
Speaker 1: about what it's like to be a black person in
Speaker 1: this world. If you're a white person, and if you're
Speaker 1: a white male, to think about what it's like to
Speaker 1: be a woman to have to be scared at night
Speaker 1: when you walk home. Have you ever had to think
Speaker 1: about that, you know, as a black person, have you
Speaker 1: ever been scared being pulled over by the police. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, yes, you can say yes to that, but
Speaker 1: I've argued with police like more times than I can
Speaker 1: count before I was the celebrity, just based on my
Speaker 1: own entitlement and based on the fact that I had
Speaker 1: the right to and guess what, I got off all
Speaker 1: the time because I was young and pretty and white. Okay,
Speaker 1: uh with the psychia? You know what holds in dreams?
Speaker 1: Do you still have? What are your goals? Got a
Speaker 1: bad connotation, but you certainly had your own TV show,
Speaker 1: You've had contract with Netflix, You've had six very successful books.
Speaker 1: What does Chelsea Handler want now? Um? Great question. You know,
Speaker 1: I think I'm really one of the favorite My favorite
Speaker 1: things to do is to shoot documentaries because, like you,
Speaker 1: I really enjoy having conversations with real people, not necessarily celebrities,
Speaker 1: because I kind of you know, did that for a
Speaker 1: very long time. But I love documentaries and I love
Speaker 1: pushing the envelope, and I love to have thought provoking
Speaker 1: conversations that make people like me think more or harder
Speaker 1: about a certain subject that they may not be privy to. Um.
Speaker 1: And so I'm gonna probably try and do another Chelsea
Speaker 1: Does series, which I did for Netflix, which was a
Speaker 1: set of four documentaries. I did another documentary called Hello Privilege,
Speaker 1: It's Me Chelsea for Netflix a few years ago, and
Speaker 1: I kind of like that that dynamic, So you know,
Speaker 1: I probably will probably that will be my next project.
Speaker 1: And then you know, they're developing my book at Universal
Speaker 1: to turn it into a TV show, so uh, you know,
Speaker 1: that's something that I'm excited about acting in it. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know that I'll host a show again. I
Speaker 1: don't know that I have that in me again, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I feel like I'm right now
Speaker 1: able to be a little bit more thoughtful about my projects.
Speaker 1: So when I do something, it has a little bit
Speaker 1: more meaning and heft than my you know, my early years,
Speaker 1: and that is valuable to me. So sometimes I think
Speaker 1: when you take a contract and you're expected to be
Speaker 1: on the air five nights a week, you know, the
Speaker 1: quality gets diminished. In my experience, and I would like
Speaker 1: to be able to put in you know, like high integrity,
Speaker 1: high quality stuff. Do you have to put your own irreverent,
Speaker 1: humorous personnel or do you think you could do a
Speaker 1: documentary that was just informative and straight? Oh no, I
Speaker 1: always infuse humor. I mean to it, I don't do
Speaker 1: anything straight. I mean, there are serious subjects, but I
Speaker 1: can still make them funny. You know, you have to
Speaker 1: pick and choose your moments, and I think that's an
Speaker 1: art in and of itself, um, which is interesting to explore.
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna be, you know, like a Diane Sawyer.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna be a joking about it also. Uh,
Speaker 1: but you know there's also an internal dialogue that you have,
Speaker 1: Like being on a show as silly as Chelsea Lately,
Speaker 1: as entertaining as that was for so many people, you know,
Speaker 1: you start to thank, Oh God, is this all I am? Like?
Speaker 1: Is this what people think of me? That I can
Speaker 1: just sit around and make fun of celebrities. I'm so
Speaker 1: much more than that. I'm so deep, much deeper. I read,
Speaker 1: I'm like educated, I like, you know, I there's so
Speaker 1: much more to me politically, social justice, you know, I
Speaker 1: so so it was I was very you know, to
Speaker 1: hydrated for some series business of my life. It was
Speaker 1: a little too silly. I want to be humorous, and
Speaker 1: I always want to deliver the goods in a comedic
Speaker 1: way because it's much easier to you know, take the
Speaker 1: medicine if it's funny. But uh yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: always have a comic bent to it. If it's not,
Speaker 1: if there's not a dose of a little bit of humor,
Speaker 1: it's not appealing to me. Okay, you mentioned a couple
Speaker 1: of times readings, So what do you read? M hmm.
Speaker 1: I just read a book called Getting Over Yourself? The
Speaker 1: what was it called? I wrote a book called the
Speaker 1: uh Mark Epstein wrote it the Guide to Getting over
Speaker 1: Yourself Advice not given, that's what it's called. And then
Speaker 1: I just read Kazie David's new book called No One
Speaker 1: Asked for This. And then this is an incredible book
Speaker 1: that I just finished. This is called Past I'm sure
Speaker 1: you've heard of it by Isabel will Person and that
Speaker 1: I think should be required reading for every middle school. Okay,
Speaker 1: but those are all non fiction books. Do you tend
Speaker 1: to only read nonfiction or fiction too? No? I read fiction.
Speaker 1: I'm in a nonfiction stage, but I read fiction, and
Speaker 1: if I read fiction, I like classic literature, you know,
Speaker 1: like like Lady Chatterly or like um Weathering Heights, like
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff that's really escapist, you know. During
Speaker 1: this time especially, I just read this autobiography. Oh, this
Speaker 1: was a big one that I just read during COVID.
Speaker 1: This is an autobiography on Frederick Douglas. You can see that.
Speaker 1: It's so that's a that was a big book. But again,
Speaker 1: I'm in that nonfiction phase because probably because of BLM
Speaker 1: and everything that's happened this year, I just feel like
Speaker 1: I have to get as as educated as possible. You know.
Speaker 1: It's funny. I went to college with people wo end
Speaker 1: up being in the book business, and I was a
Speaker 1: nonfiction reader, and then they said they only read fiction
Speaker 1: because it's truer to life, and it's really switched me.
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, I gotta kindle once again from my
Speaker 1: girlfriend from my birthday in two thousand nine, and I
Speaker 1: made a commitment to myself if I bought the book,
Speaker 1: I'd finish it okay. And I lived up to that
Speaker 1: commitment and I got really into read. I'm a big reader.
Speaker 1: I'm reading all day long. Mostly, you know, I get
Speaker 1: three physical newspapers. People say, why, I'm checking the apps
Speaker 1: dozens of times a day, But with the physical newspaper,
Speaker 1: you'll see a certain article that you wouldn't see otherwise.
Speaker 1: Even though the days of physical newspapers are numbered, I
Speaker 1: read the paper every day. I don't read the whole paper,
Speaker 1: but I get the New York Times delivered every day
Speaker 1: just because I like to support journalism. And you know,
Speaker 1: I read about an article or two unless it's Sunday
Speaker 1: and then I read about seven. Okay, Why is there
Speaker 1: any hope for us to convince the Hoi POLLOI that
Speaker 1: the New York Times, whatever their criticisms, is the most
Speaker 1: authoritative journal on the planet. Mm hmmm, well, I I
Speaker 1: would hope that that vibe will come back around while
Speaker 1: we're still here, you know where where New York Times
Speaker 1: was the standard the standard of news, and the Washington
Speaker 1: Post not liberal media outlets, which is ridiculous. I agree totally.
Speaker 1: The funny thing about it is if you watch any
Speaker 1: of the right wing stuff, and I do because I
Speaker 1: want to know what the enemy is up to. And
Speaker 1: even MSNBC they're constantly quoting the New York Times of
Speaker 1: the Washington Post, they said, New York Times since the
Speaker 1: agenda for the whole world because they have boots on
Speaker 1: the ground everywhere, so irrelevant if you talk about spin,
Speaker 1: that is how the whole world finds out what's going on.
Speaker 1: Not that I can criticize the The Times, but as
Speaker 1: I say, certain fiction books, you know, they really resonate
Speaker 1: with me. How about TV? You watch a good amount
Speaker 1: of Well, wait, I have some good fiction books. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about my favorite fiction books. House of Mirth is
Speaker 1: one of the best books I've ever read. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know why it's called House of Mirth because
Speaker 1: there's nothing funny about it, but it's well, what is
Speaker 1: how Samrth? Ring? Ring my bell on? That? How s
Speaker 1: the mirth? Who wrote how samrth? Edith Wharton? Okay, I
Speaker 1: must admit I'm lacking on the classics. Okay, Anna Karenina
Speaker 1: by Joy Jeff is the best book ever written. Right
Speaker 1: there we go. People who want to dive in, what
Speaker 1: translation you read is very important. They've been in the
Speaker 1: last thirty years. Have been some great translations. But if
Speaker 1: you can find a good one, unbelievable. Yeah, I have
Speaker 1: to reread that book. That's something I don't do enough
Speaker 1: of is rereading books. You know what I mean? We
Speaker 1: read a book never, we never we watch a movie. Figure,
Speaker 1: life's too short. I could read or watch something new.
Speaker 1: But another book, a fiction book that I read. I
Speaker 1: read the South Korean author who is beautiful. It's called Pachinko,
Speaker 1: which is, if anyone's listening, it is a beautifully. It's
Speaker 1: just there's this. There's a whole different flare to like
Speaker 1: Asian writers and the way they describe things, and it's succinct.
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't go on and on like in
Speaker 1: a John Steinbeck kind of way. You know how John
Speaker 1: to Steinbeck is a descriptive writer. Right, he can talk
Speaker 1: about the leaves on the trees for about forty minutes,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, for Fox's sake, can we just
Speaker 1: get to some action. I'd agree more you. The number
Speaker 1: one thing about a book and writing is it has
Speaker 1: to be readable. Content is secondary to readability. Once they
Speaker 1: get you know, you talk about reading on a kindle,
Speaker 1: you download the sample chapter. Once they get super into description,
Speaker 1: I'm out. I don't want to being written like a screenplay.
Speaker 1: But I read for story. Okay, there are all these
Speaker 1: people you know who are the you know, there's there's
Speaker 1: no more self righteous artistic enterprise than the book business. Okay,
Speaker 1: these people are on their high horses. There's a great
Speaker 1: book I read. I was just trying to think of
Speaker 1: the name of it last year. That is so beautiful
Speaker 1: and it's fantastical, which is not my reality. But it
Speaker 1: was a New York Times bestseller, and uh, what is it?
Speaker 1: It was about this? What's a plot about It's it's
Speaker 1: hard to describe without sounding stupid, but it's this little
Speaker 1: it's a nymph that's living, that lives like for thousands
Speaker 1: and thousands and thousands of years, and it's a Greek mythology.
Speaker 1: But this is invers Sarcy. Did you read it? No,
Speaker 1: everyone's recommended. It was my it was my favorite book.
Speaker 1: That is my favorite book. You've got to get into
Speaker 1: it because the writing is so finely tuned that she
Speaker 1: she will end a sentence and you have to put
Speaker 1: the book down. You're like, what like she It's like
Speaker 1: it's like a clapback, you know, like everything she says
Speaker 1: in the last sentence describes, And this woman lives for
Speaker 1: two thousand years and she goes through all these generations
Speaker 1: of people, and she's got a lover and she's got
Speaker 1: a son, and it's like the most humane story. But
Speaker 1: it's in such a fairy tale, fantastical setting, which I
Speaker 1: usually am. Not into this book with Madeleine what's her
Speaker 1: name wrote it, Madeline Miller. It's got that that bronze
Speaker 1: and black cover. Yeah, read it. Why don't you read
Speaker 1: that for me? Because and you give me a book
Speaker 1: to read and then we can discuss it. Okay, I
Speaker 1: got a couple of books for you to maybe we'll
Speaker 1: talk off the but um, we'll give me the recommendations
Speaker 1: now for your list. What is the name of the
Speaker 1: woman ship who wrote the book? Her? The famous book
Speaker 1: is about the war in France, And but the one
Speaker 1: that I really like is about without going through my
Speaker 1: kindle library, about the family that moves to Alaska. Uh.
Speaker 1: The other thing that I'm going to mention is the trilogy.
Speaker 1: You didn't even finish mentioning the first book. I have
Speaker 1: no idea what I'm gonna have to look it up,
Speaker 1: as I say, you know. Also, unfortunate things reading on
Speaker 1: the kindle unless you touch name is in Hildebrand. Hildebrand
Speaker 1: is the person who does the you know, uh, like
Speaker 1: The Horse Story, etcetera. Kristen Hannah, The Great Alone. Okay,
Speaker 1: most people have read the previous book which I read after,
Speaker 1: which is The Nightingale. I have that downstairs. I haven't
Speaker 1: read it yet. Should I read that? Okay? These are
Speaker 1: easy books to read, and you have to gauge whether
Speaker 1: they're highbrow or low brow. One of the reasons I
Speaker 1: love the Alaska book is because I'm really into the
Speaker 1: winter weather in isolation, when the weather is terrible and
Speaker 1: the loots are open, that's when I love to go out.
Speaker 1: It's only like me and society. But most people prefer
Speaker 1: The Nightingale. But there are other books of that can
Speaker 1: I read? Should I read The Nightingale first and then
Speaker 1: read the Alaska one? That's what most people would do,
Speaker 1: so so then I'll do the opposite, okay, and the
Speaker 1: English Woman with the trilogy. You'll really dig this Harry Potter. Yeah, right.
Speaker 1: If you haven't read House of Mirth, you need to
Speaker 1: read that because it's very society based and it's very
Speaker 1: prescient for what like, nothing's changed. You got to read
Speaker 1: this book. This is one book you'll read in a night.
Speaker 1: Do you know this book? Group? No? It's a bestseller.
Speaker 1: It's a woman who went into group therapy and it
Speaker 1: changed your life. Okay, it's very fast read. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying necessarily you read because of identified. But she's very
Speaker 1: honest about her feelings and as I say, it takes
Speaker 1: nothing to get into that. Uh. But you know, are
Speaker 1: you into somewhat science fiction e type things? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but not No, I'm not really. I don't like that. Okay,
Speaker 1: because there's a there's a I'm not into it either.
Speaker 1: But people love this book blog stars. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: it's not really much science fiction. It's set in the future. Okay,
Speaker 1: going through some ship you probably read. I'm not a
Speaker 1: big an Patchet fan, But did you read The Dutch House. No,
Speaker 1: I don't read the I don't. I don't read that
Speaker 1: those kinds of books. Like, I'm not into an Patchet
Speaker 1: Like I get how power, like how great she is,
Speaker 1: but those are not my style. Just so I know,
Speaker 1: because I'm not into most of the stuff she does.
Speaker 1: What is it about that turns you off? It's just
Speaker 1: not my style. I don't feel like i'm learning anything.
Speaker 1: Like I like something that's either historical fiction or I
Speaker 1: like to be thinking that I'm educating myself and I
Speaker 1: don't feel like those situations are anywhere near a reality,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And the dynamics are like,
Speaker 1: it's just not like my style of stuff. Okay. Uh,
Speaker 1: that one, because I'm not a big fan, is about
Speaker 1: a house in a family house. But but but forget that.
Speaker 1: I found the trilogy Rachel cust let me, Okay, how
Speaker 1: do you spell it? Last nime? Well, I'm gonna get it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to make sure you start with the right one.
Speaker 1: But you know what, I think I've probably read like
Speaker 1: one an Hatch and Patrick. Listen, I'm not a big fan.
Speaker 1: I'm not putting on the top of the list. Just
Speaker 1: read this book called Outline, okay by Rachel Cusk see
Speaker 1: u s K. It is very interior and you will dig.
Speaker 1: There's two more that are part of the trilogy. On trilogy. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the first one is the best. This is not low
Speaker 1: brows stuff, but it's not highbrow stuff. You talk about
Speaker 1: speaking to someone's feeling the way they experience the world.
Speaker 1: It's really good, really good. Oh well, thank you for
Speaker 1: these recommendations. I say, I certainly have more than that.
Speaker 1: But let me maybe we should start a book club.
Speaker 1: I'd love to start a book club. I would love
Speaker 1: a book club too. I don't have anyone who reads
Speaker 1: it like I do in my life. Okay, but let
Speaker 1: me ask you a question. With Oprah, she had the
Speaker 1: book club and they used to do it on TV. Okay,
Speaker 1: now she just recommends the book and there's no meeting.
Speaker 1: What I want to know to you, is it enough
Speaker 1: that other people read the book or do you want
Speaker 1: to have a discussion about it. Yeah? I like a
Speaker 1: discussion about a book. Okay, I like a discussion. And
Speaker 1: I went to college and this is one of the
Speaker 1: reasons I stopped being an English major. You know, there's
Speaker 1: the classical interpretation, they're the metaphors whatever. What I like
Speaker 1: most about a book is the experience talking about my
Speaker 1: connection with the book. So I don't want to bring
Speaker 1: in a facilitator who'll talk about what the first sentences whatever.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about how the book made me feel. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's a difference between deconstructing a book and
Speaker 1: actually talking about your experience reading the book, you know. Uh,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I agree with you. I don't need
Speaker 1: to know how it's being interpreted or what the classic
Speaker 1: analytical you know, analysis is of it. I'm more interested
Speaker 1: in discussing what you got out of it and what
Speaker 1: other people got out of it that I didn't necessarily. Okay, listen,
Speaker 1: if you seriously want to do it, I'll do it
Speaker 1: with you. And well, can we can we get your
Speaker 1: girlfriend to do it? Absolutely? She reads everything I read. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I was saying, I was thinking we should start a club,
Speaker 1: but maybe we'll just start at you and me. No, No,
Speaker 1: I think we should start it as an alternative to
Speaker 1: all the horseship book clubs there are. Okay, so you
Speaker 1: and me can when announce the book to all of
Speaker 1: our followers. But listen, I need you to do because
Speaker 1: I do a book club every month for my on
Speaker 1: my Instagram where I post nude with my books. The
Speaker 1: three books that I've read are recommending that month, and
Speaker 1: so you would have to be part of that photo shoot.
Speaker 1: Is your girlfriend gonna let you do that? I have
Speaker 1: no problem with nudity whatsoever. My girlfriend that's a different issue.
Speaker 1: But I have no problem with that. Okay, Well, I
Speaker 1: think you, you and I should get it started. I'm
Speaker 1: book club with Bob left Sets. I think it has
Speaker 1: to be fair. I we'll talk to Irving about this. Oh,
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying, but I've already started it.
Speaker 1: So if you're hopping, okay, if I if I jump
Speaker 1: into yours with Bob left sets, is fine. If we
Speaker 1: start a new one that's different, Okay, well I think
Speaker 1: we should okay, right, if we start a new one, okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: how did you get hooked up? You started by playing
Speaker 1: poker with Shelley. Shelley, No, no, I I met Irving
Speaker 1: at some event for some documentary for Jerry Jerry win Trump. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I met him there at that screening. Just be stopped there?
Speaker 1: Did you know Jerry Win Trump? But you know, peripherally Okay?
Speaker 1: With the interesting thing about Jerry unfortunately died, would have
Speaker 1: been alive if he'd been in the metropolis is I
Speaker 1: didn't know certain things that Irving does. I thought he invented,
Speaker 1: but they came from the line. You know, Irving, if
Speaker 1: you email I need the doctor I need, he loves
Speaker 1: to come through. He loves to make you a doctor's appointment.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times he's called and
Speaker 1: been like sugarman, can see you Immediately, I'm like, hey, Irving,
Speaker 1: I know sugarman too. I can get in faster than
Speaker 1: you can get me. And he's like, no, you can't
Speaker 1: let him feel good about himself. But I did. I
Speaker 1: thought that Irving invented it, not the yes and take
Speaker 1: it to a new place. But Jerry did, They said,
Speaker 1: first hour and a half of my day, I made
Speaker 1: a big phone calls getting everybody's appointments. Act said. Irving's
Speaker 1: daughter does the same thing. She gets everybody, all of
Speaker 1: her friends into children's hospital anytime there's a hiccup. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I had a friend of mine unfortunately had
Speaker 1: a brain tumor. And the first thing he says, the
Speaker 1: first thing he says, ask Irving, okay, and we got
Speaker 1: the Irving. You know, you get the right doctors. And
Speaker 1: that's how my girlfriend got to Elatrosh. You know that
Speaker 1: Erosh is awesome. He's a great doctor. Right. But uh,
Speaker 1: you met Irving at the screening of Jerry's movie, then
Speaker 1: how do you max it out with Irving? So I
Speaker 1: met him. I was doing the red carpet for the pictures.
Speaker 1: I had hung out with Jerry a couple of times,
Speaker 1: like he had invited me over with his girlfriend and
Speaker 1: I would like go over for a couple of cocktails
Speaker 1: and we'd all hang out Susie um. And then he,
Speaker 1: you know, his documentary came out and I saw Irving
Speaker 1: on the carpet and he and Shelly approached me, and
Speaker 1: they're like, Irving's like, I love you, I love you.
Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan. And I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I love your little body, like your a little nugget.
Speaker 1: And I was so I thought he was the cutest
Speaker 1: thing I had ever seen. And then they invited me
Speaker 1: over like you know, for dinners or whatever, and we
Speaker 1: became like, you know, they're they're like family now, but
Speaker 1: in the beginning, we were kind of instant family because
Speaker 1: I come from such a big family that I I
Speaker 1: work well and operate well within families, like I like
Speaker 1: to be the plus one for an entire family. I
Speaker 1: like a Jewish family, I like a loud family. I
Speaker 1: like a dysfunctional family, and they are dysfunctional, functionally dysfunctional.
Speaker 1: So uh, then my E contract, he said, you know,
Speaker 1: if you ever need help with business, blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: And I was on Howard Stern years ago, and I
Speaker 1: just kind of blurted out that I was done with E.
Speaker 1: Like I'm done. I was going to take a year
Speaker 1: off and go travel the world. And I said it
Speaker 1: on air, but I hadn't said it to E, and
Speaker 1: I thought I had because I had thought it, and
Speaker 1: I got into a lot of trouble when I got back.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you take this industry series slay, which
Speaker 1: you know I don't um. They were very mad at me.
Speaker 1: He was like, this is a negotiating tactic because your
Speaker 1: contract is up. I'm like, it's not. Please don't offer
Speaker 1: me any more money, like I'm leaving, I'm done with
Speaker 1: this ship. You got like I just wasn't interested anymore,
Speaker 1: and they were, you know, when I came back from
Speaker 1: that Howard Stern interview, I was in New York obviously
Speaker 1: at the time when we could travel, and I came
Speaker 1: back in and my whole staff was upset with me.
Speaker 1: You know, I hadn't said anything to anyone about not continuing,
Speaker 1: so I was very insensitive in my kind of thinking.
Speaker 1: But he was so mad at me, and the heads
Speaker 1: of you were so mad at me that I was like,
Speaker 1: I call. I just said, call irving A's off, like
Speaker 1: he'll deal with this. And I didn't want to talk
Speaker 1: to them anymore. And then Irving got involved and from
Speaker 1: then on he's been my manager. And now his daughter's
Speaker 1: more my manager because she's kind of taken over um
Speaker 1: for the most part, but she does my day to
Speaker 1: day stuff, you know, because Irving is too big to
Speaker 1: do that. Well, certainly too big for the but if
Speaker 1: you need Irving to go on the big stuff, there's
Speaker 1: literally never been a better manager, and there's no one
Speaker 1: can make a better deal and his style. What people
Speaker 1: don't know, because you know a lot of people talk,
Speaker 1: is they don't understand how funny and charismatic he is.
Speaker 1: They just see someone they think here, Don Henley says,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, he's satan whatever. They don't understand
Speaker 1: what's really going on as a big teddy bear. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of people who have do not
Speaker 1: don't have that experience with him, would disagree with me.
Speaker 1: But to me and in my life, he's a little
Speaker 1: nugget of love, you know, and he's just like you know,
Speaker 1: a godfather to a lot of people. And he doesn't um.
Speaker 1: He is one of those people when you need him
Speaker 1: to go in and close the deal, like there is
Speaker 1: no one better to go one better. Yeah. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: he's an innovator for sure. Certainly we could talk about
Speaker 1: Irving all day. But let's go back to relationships for
Speaker 1: a little bit of If I could stop my fingers
Speaker 1: right now and say, you're in a relationship. The guy
Speaker 1: is good. It's going to last to the end of
Speaker 1: your life. Are you in a you out? I'm in?
Speaker 1: You're in? So you are still looking for to you?
Speaker 1: They can't see the air quotes, but Mr Wright, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, but you better bring it, like you better
Speaker 1: bring something to the table because I don't have enough
Speaker 1: for both of us. Okay, but you are fully aware
Speaker 1: that this has got loaded the statement, but that you
Speaker 1: intimidate men? Yes, I am aware. So what did the
Speaker 1: psychiatrists have to say about that? Um? You know, it's
Speaker 1: all it's partly finding a guy that can tell me
Speaker 1: to shut up, you know, that can meet me where
Speaker 1: I am and be like, hey, listen, who can put
Speaker 1: me in my place? And it's partly toning my behavior
Speaker 1: down a little bit when I'm getting to know a guy,
Speaker 1: but not a lot, because I can't pretend I'm somebody
Speaker 1: that I'm not. I mean, obviously the people you know,
Speaker 1: you can tell from our conversation just now, Uh, or
Speaker 1: maybe you can't. But I'm not very good at pretending
Speaker 1: to be something that i'm not. So you're you're authentic, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and that is your image, right And I'm waiting for
Speaker 1: someone to come along who can deal with that. Usually
Speaker 1: those men are between sixty and eighty years old, Bob.
Speaker 1: They're not my own age, so it's a little bit
Speaker 1: more difficult for me. Okay, So since you've had these insights,
Speaker 1: anyone been reasonable? Yeah, there's a reasonable guy right now
Speaker 1: that I am hanging around with. Because I don't know
Speaker 1: who he is, what are his what are his flaws?
Speaker 1: Because everybody's got flaws. Um, well, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: go out and I'm not going to talk about his
Speaker 1: flaws because I'm not going to ruin something before it
Speaker 1: even gets started. How long has this been going on? Recent?
Speaker 1: Very recent and more just like a like a hook up,
Speaker 1: but somebody who's interesting enough to like you just start.
Speaker 1: Let's go back. How did you meet him? Uh? Through
Speaker 1: a friend? A friend said, Oh, I have this friend
Speaker 1: who's you might like and he lives he's responsible because
Speaker 1: it's during COVID And yeah, we've hung out a few
Speaker 1: times and I like him. Okay, just to stop there.
Speaker 1: He'll end up annoying the living ship out of me.
Speaker 1: That okay, but let's hold that for a second. A
Speaker 1: guy cannot take a recommendation of a date from a woman.
Speaker 1: They always say, oh, she's beautiful, whatever. It's a well
Speaker 1: known fact. Can a woman take a recommendation from a
Speaker 1: woman better than from a guy? A gay guy I
Speaker 1: would trust more than my gay best friend. I would
Speaker 1: trust to set me up with before any of my friends. Um,
Speaker 1: but this one, the person who set me up with.
Speaker 1: This person is not a good friend. She was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: I met the sky the other nighty single. He's cute,
Speaker 1: like he seems like right up your alley. And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh great, So you know how old is he?
Speaker 1: I think he's my age? And is he even married before? No,
Speaker 1: not that I'm aware. Isn't that you have to get
Speaker 1: married before? For I'm about the guys, you have to
Speaker 1: marryhim before forty otherwise they're too set in their ways.
Speaker 1: M You could argue that for me too, though I'm
Speaker 1: pretty set in my like, we gonna argue it with you.
Speaker 1: That's the next That was the next question. You say, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know someone's going to annoy you. What do we
Speaker 1: know someone eventually is going to annoy you. Have you
Speaker 1: learned in therapy to subsume that annoyance and say, well,
Speaker 1: he's definitely annoying me, but the goods outweigh the bads. Here,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what he does that it really attracts me.
Speaker 1: Let's go in the opposite direction. After we have sex.
Speaker 1: The few times we've had sex, he says, I'm leaving
Speaker 1: right away, and that makes me very attracted to him
Speaker 1: because I really appreciate him understanding that I need my space.
Speaker 1: He says. I said that to him, and that was
Speaker 1: one of the first things I said. I said, if
Speaker 1: you come back to my place, you can't sleep over,
Speaker 1: like I don't want to wake up together. I I
Speaker 1: have been single for a very long time, and he
Speaker 1: really like heard me and respects it every time he
Speaker 1: comes around. So I find that a very attractive. That's
Speaker 1: one thing. Okay, just so I know, how long do
Speaker 1: you have to be involved with its man before they
Speaker 1: can spend the night. It's been a while, so I
Speaker 1: would say a few times. You have to really get
Speaker 1: to know somebody a little bit. You have to have
Speaker 1: a level of intimacy for somebody to spend the night.
Speaker 1: There are things that happened in my bedroom from being
Speaker 1: alone for a long time, Like I get sandwiches in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night. Sometimes I eat a piece
Speaker 1: of chocolate. If I wake up to go to the bathroom,
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll grab a baby ruth. I have these little
Speaker 1: miniature Halloween baby ruths. I have some really gross habits
Speaker 1: that I don't want any man to be exposed to. Okay,
Speaker 1: but when someone does spend the night, do you still
Speaker 1: have those behaviors. No, but I haven't spent the night
Speaker 1: with somebody since last March. Okay, that's that's only nine
Speaker 1: months ago. My point would be, once someone qualifies to
Speaker 1: stay the night, do you then we press your behaviors
Speaker 1: or you say you can stay the night. But this
Speaker 1: is me. I'm eating the baby ruth, I'm eating the sandwiches, etcetera. No,
Speaker 1: I would use that as a barometer to not have
Speaker 1: a sandwich or a baby ruth. If somebody was spending
Speaker 1: the night initially in our relationship for the first dozen
Speaker 1: times time, like you know, a couple of times, Oh, eventually, yes,
Speaker 1: I would get back to my old trick. What's so
Speaker 1: what's so offensive of getting getting up in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night meeting, Well, I bring it back into
Speaker 1: the bed. My mother had this terrible habit of eating
Speaker 1: in bed. So she was German. She would make these
Speaker 1: disgusting liver worsh sandwiches. No, I've never had liver wash,
Speaker 1: and I'm with you. I won't eat that either. But
Speaker 1: I do love a bagel, locks and cream trees in
Speaker 1: the morning just a half because you know I'm on camera, Okay,
Speaker 1: but just to stop there, can you get a good
Speaker 1: bagel in Los Angeles? I've given up on getting a
Speaker 1: good bagel in Los Angeles. Now I just toast it
Speaker 1: because if you toast it, it disguises the fact that
Speaker 1: it's not that good, right, Okay, But back to the
Speaker 1: point of the baby, your mother was eating in bed.
Speaker 1: So my mom used to have like and she used
Speaker 1: to have like a thing of candy in her top
Speaker 1: drawer next to her nights in her nightstand, and it
Speaker 1: would have like almon Joys. That was my mom's favorite,
Speaker 1: baby Ruth Snickers, all types of candy, and it's a
Speaker 1: it's like it's a thing that I I still do.
Speaker 1: I love to eat in bed, like make a sandwich,
Speaker 1: get up, get under the covers. Obviously I use a plate,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't do that much good. So eventually there
Speaker 1: are crumbs everywhere there, like in the bed. It's like
Speaker 1: bringing sand home from the beach. If they're crumbs in
Speaker 1: the bed. Does that gross you out? Or you're fine
Speaker 1: with it? You just don't want to have anybody else
Speaker 1: experience it? No? I mean right, I'm fine with it,
Speaker 1: but it's well, it's it's gross. I'm aware that it's gross,
Speaker 1: but I can live with it. But I don't want
Speaker 1: to subject another person to it. Okay, other than eating
Speaker 1: in bed and leaving crumbs, what else do you do
Speaker 1: that's gross? Oh? I mean, and I have so many
Speaker 1: gross habits, like um god, I mean, I don't even
Speaker 1: know where to begin. I spill things a lot. That's
Speaker 1: not a habit. It's just being clumsy and always being
Speaker 1: a little bit in a rush. But like I mean,
Speaker 1: I shaved my face with a with an eyebrow raiser.
Speaker 1: I shaved the blonde hairs off my face. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's not something I would be embarrassed about. I would
Speaker 1: do that in front of someone. But what other gross habits?
Speaker 1: I mean, just you know, I don't know. Gross. They
Speaker 1: usually are food related, like like me taking a bite
Speaker 1: of something and having its spill everywhere and then just
Speaker 1: like putting the cover, like turning the cover over. Okay,
Speaker 1: but are you just w understand analogous to the bed situation.
Speaker 1: Are you afraid of these things being exposed to a
Speaker 1: a man? No, Like, when it comes down to it,
Speaker 1: I'll come clean and be like this is that is
Speaker 1: adjusting for the man? No? No, no, no, I'm saying
Speaker 1: I'll I'm clean, Like, hey, this is me. This is
Speaker 1: what you're gonna have to be subjected to, you fucking asshole.
Speaker 1: Like that's what I would say. So I'm only I'm
Speaker 1: only like shrouding the behavior for a little bit, like
Speaker 1: the runway into a relationship, and then once I've got them,
Speaker 1: I'll just be like, hey, by the way, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have a liver worse sandwich, which I'll never do. But
Speaker 1: you know, okay, let you say you're alone forgetting dating.
Speaker 1: Are you the type of person like Jerry McGuire has
Speaker 1: to constantly be connected with their friends or if you're
Speaker 1: at home alone at night, that is just fine with you. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm totally fine. I have become a recluse during COVID
Speaker 1: to a degree like I enjoy my time alone a
Speaker 1: little bit too much. So and if I go to Whistler,
Speaker 1: if I do get this gig, which I'm I mean,
Speaker 1: it's looking like I may go. I'm gonna be alone
Speaker 1: for three months in Whistler. But you told me your
Speaker 1: your family is coming for Christmas, right, No, they can't
Speaker 1: get into Canada because COVID COVID. Do you know enough
Speaker 1: people there? I know, I know a few people, but
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not worried about it. I look forward
Speaker 1: to it like I look forward. You're going to ski
Speaker 1: with an instructor. Yeah, I have buddies to ski with
Speaker 1: up there. Okay, well that's well, that solves a lot
Speaker 1: of the things. But being in a cold area, granted
Speaker 1: the altitude is not that high and a high out
Speaker 1: to this big issue of suicides and mountain towns. But
Speaker 1: if you are in the house and no one comes
Speaker 1: to visit you for three months, that is not daunting.
Speaker 1: In advance, that's not going to happen. Someone will visit me.
Speaker 1: What I have to do is do my two week
Speaker 1: quarantine alone there, which yes, that's a little bit depressing
Speaker 1: to think about that. I can't leave my house, but whatever,
Speaker 1: at least I have a house. But I'm trying to say, okay,
Speaker 1: once those two, no, it's not too daunting. I'm no,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to have anyone not visit me for
Speaker 1: three months. That's just not realistic. Well, I'm just saying that,
Speaker 1: it's a hypothetical the way you set it up. If
Speaker 1: you're looking for a blank slate right now, dare you saying, shot,
Speaker 1: I gotta book some people. Are you saying, hey, I'll
Speaker 1: play it? Why you're in the fum alone? I'm okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll play by air and a fum alone I'm okay. Wow.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's the result of growing up in
Speaker 1: a big family? What's a result of therapy? I used
Speaker 1: to have to have people around all the time, like
Speaker 1: I used to have people. Yeah, I used to have
Speaker 1: I had a friend lived with me, and my brother
Speaker 1: lived with me. I had my cousin lived with me.
Speaker 1: I was never able to be alone. I had people
Speaker 1: around non stop. So this is in a way like
Speaker 1: my first foray into adulthood where I'm alone a lot,
Speaker 1: and I have to say I enjoy my own company.
Speaker 1: And why not continue therapy. Well, I don't. I didn't
Speaker 1: discontinue therapy. I just think therapy is incremental. It's for
Speaker 1: when you need it, and you need to go for
Speaker 1: those situations in your life that you're not handling, you know,
Speaker 1: in the way that you can. I don't think it
Speaker 1: needs to be ongoing. I don't. I certainly don't have
Speaker 1: the patience to go to ongoing therapy. You know. My
Speaker 1: next I think my next step out of therapy was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: let me be open minded with dating and start dating.
Speaker 1: And you know, the thought terrified me, but I've done it.
Speaker 1: And so the thing that I've learned, you know, a
Speaker 1: lot about myself is that I'm very reliable, you know,
Speaker 1: like I can count on me. And that's been a
Speaker 1: very big lesson for me because I always, you know,
Speaker 1: I always was looking for this male guy to come
Speaker 1: in and sweep me off my feet in the way
Speaker 1: that my brother did and my father did, you know,
Speaker 1: I was kind of idealizing them. And now that I'm
Speaker 1: grown up, I've taken care of myself this whole time,
Speaker 1: Like there's you know, I've made this living, I've created
Speaker 1: these adventures, so I have a lot of reliability in
Speaker 1: my own ability to provide for myself and entertain myself,
Speaker 1: even if it just comes down to me like I'm
Speaker 1: down with that. Okay, So you're involved in this relatively
Speaker 1: new relationship. No, it's not a relationship. That's an irrelevant
Speaker 1: what he's listening, he's gonna be We're in a relationship. Okay.
Speaker 1: The do you think the shrink might have insights into
Speaker 1: the interaction with this man that might be educational and
Speaker 1: beneficial if it becomes a serious relationship. Absolutely, at this
Speaker 1: stage of the game, it's not necessary. Well, I'm someone
Speaker 1: who's going I you know, at this point, I still
Speaker 1: go two times a week. I went for years three
Speaker 1: times a week, and I learned. I learned. I have
Speaker 1: long history with therapy, and I'm a big believer that, uh,
Speaker 1: the right therapist is key. And like Howard, you know,
Speaker 1: I believe in a in a psychiatrist who can prescribe medication.
Speaker 1: The person I've been with sin and I was in
Speaker 1: a really bad place, is radically different from anybody I've
Speaker 1: seen before. Because traditionally people call their shrinking a crisis.
Speaker 1: I would never call my shrink in a crisis. I
Speaker 1: did a few times, all he'll say is it sounds
Speaker 1: like we have a lot to talk about. See a Wednesday.
Speaker 1: So I have learned how to become self reliant. It
Speaker 1: is also more akin to analysis. He would never tell
Speaker 1: me what to do, and I've had bad experience before
Speaker 1: that with therapists telling me what to do. But the
Speaker 1: gradual things have really changed my life. And maybe as
Speaker 1: a Jew with sometimes aggressive elements of her personality, you'll
Speaker 1: understand this. So he said, what do you want out
Speaker 1: of an interaction? And he says, do you know how
Speaker 1: many UH clubs are in a golf bag? Do you
Speaker 1: happen to know that? They're fourteen? Okay? And there's the
Speaker 1: driver for long distance and there's the putter. He says,
Speaker 1: you get to choose which club you want to use
Speaker 1: and to get what you want to get out of it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're so piste off you don't give a ship
Speaker 1: what the reactions. You whip off the driver and say
Speaker 1: fuck you. But I've learned it. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of times persons a prick whatever. And I said, I'm
Speaker 1: dying to tell them her prick. But I'm not. It's
Speaker 1: not that I'm afraid to tell them there prick but
Speaker 1: I say, after I tell them a prick, is this
Speaker 1: gonna work for me? Or is it going to leave
Speaker 1: me in a lesser position. Well, that's a very selfish
Speaker 1: way of looking at it. I mean, it might be
Speaker 1: nice to just not call somebody a prick because it's
Speaker 1: unnecessary even if they are. Wait wait, wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 1: Everything you're saying is true on the surface. But as
Speaker 1: you use the example of talking about the show on
Speaker 1: Howard Stern, you're someone who does not intellectualize before she speaks.
Speaker 1: That's not true. That's not true. That's my history. But
Speaker 1: I would say that I'm much better now. Listen, I
Speaker 1: have no problem going off on somebody and not caring
Speaker 1: about the repercussions. But now I look at people in
Speaker 1: a softer way, like I feel like people are really struggling.
Speaker 1: If someone's just a dick. Yes, I have no problem saying, listen,
Speaker 1: you're a dick. But I guess, like you, I was
Speaker 1: always just saying what I felt, and I found that
Speaker 1: I could intellectualize and have a better experience. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: it's good to say what you feel, but sometimes it's
Speaker 1: only beneficial for you, you know, Like, is it necessary
Speaker 1: always to insert your opinion. I found that it's not
Speaker 1: even though that's the same thing. People make a mistake.
Speaker 1: You can't come to what I believe. I believe that like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm telling people the truth, I'm doing them a favor.
Speaker 1: It's like, m hmm, I'm not necessarily in charge of
Speaker 1: all people. Okay, And do you watch a lot of
Speaker 1: uh streaming television? Yeah? What am I watching right now?
Speaker 1: I just watched The Flight Attendant on HBO Max. I
Speaker 1: watched Are They Undoing? Did you watch that on HBO Max? No,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. My girlfriend watched it. I can't
Speaker 1: watch anything that they dribble out week by week. Makes
Speaker 1: me crazy. I just like to binge. Yeah, I like
Speaker 1: to binge too. I I when I see it like that,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh ship, So I'm like you. I watched
Speaker 1: The Crown that was That was actually not as good
Speaker 1: as I thought. I thought the other seasons were better.
Speaker 1: I guess the first season turned me off. I thought
Speaker 1: it was like watching paint dry. Other people say it's best,
Speaker 1: but I haven't gone back to it. I'm too far behind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well you can catch up. You know, it's COVID. You've
Speaker 1: got nowhere to go. Yeah, but you know, I'm busy,
Speaker 1: and as I say, there are a lot of great shows.
Speaker 1: We're watching a really good one right now. Do you
Speaker 1: know this show from France, the Bureau. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: watched that a long time ago. Right. Isn't that an
Speaker 1: old show that's on brit Box. Uh, it's part of
Speaker 1: it was on brit Box or five seasons, the most
Speaker 1: recent season. Now it's on Sundance. But it's the French
Speaker 1: ci A wait, wait, oh no, I haven't. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: of something else. Say it again. Okay, let's talk about
Speaker 1: streaming recommendations. Wait, wait, wait, say the name. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to forget that one. That's the Bureau. Just tell
Speaker 1: me there. Okay, but it's Sunday. Have you watched Happy Valley? Yes?
Speaker 1: I love listen, I love British shows like that. Those
Speaker 1: are my like standard bearer of good television is like
Speaker 1: Happy Valley. And God, there's a million British or Scottish
Speaker 1: or Irish detective shows that are just so much better
Speaker 1: than the ones we get here. You know, Happy Valley
Speaker 1: was one that was a really good one. Then there
Speaker 1: was the one was Charlotte Rampling. What was that called?
Speaker 1: Remember if she plays the Lawyer. You saw that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's great, and the other one was still in Stars Guard.
Speaker 1: There's like a bunch of then the other one where
Speaker 1: the guys got the bomb in the train. There's like
Speaker 1: six of those. Okay, another blue chip? What about the Bodyguard?
Speaker 1: Did you watch that? Oh? Absolutely good? Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: a good one. Okay, here's one for you. This is
Speaker 1: a blue chip. You know, the show Spiral. It's a
Speaker 1: French detective show, the most successful show in Europe since
Speaker 1: the first episode is like two thousand and eight. The
Speaker 1: production values are not quite as good, but it increases.
Speaker 1: It's phenomenal. So where do you find these two shows,
Speaker 1: the Bureau and Spiral? What I do? Hey, I told
Speaker 1: you I only binge b I don't believe in the algorithm.
Speaker 1: So before I watch anything, I do a lot of research, okay,
Speaker 1: and the definitive research is rotten tomatoes. I will not
Speaker 1: watch anything with less than an eight percent uh good reading.
Speaker 1: Life is too short? Yeah, yeah, right, right, roten tomatoes.
Speaker 1: I just want to go on the record and say
Speaker 1: doesn't apply to stand up specials because mine was at
Speaker 1: twelve percent because no one had gone there to rate it.
Speaker 1: So I don't know there are that show. There's definitely
Speaker 1: I've looked up shows there are no rating or there's
Speaker 1: a credit rating. But the New York Times last year
Speaker 1: put out the forty best streaming Foreign streaming television shows.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that is my Bible. Unbelievable. The Bureau was
Speaker 1: number three, number one. I don't know if you know.
Speaker 1: It's like Irving, Irving. I turned Irving onto Fauda. You
Speaker 1: watch Fauda. Well, these some of these is really show.
Speaker 1: You know. Here's a show, you know, on the verge
Speaker 1: of Hannaka. Uh the are you gonna light the candles? H? No,
Speaker 1: I'm not No, I'm not either Unorthodox. Did you watch Unorthodox? Okay,
Speaker 1: of course I watched Unorthodox? Did you watch shrew Geen? Uh? No? Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a really good one. It's on Amazon. S
Speaker 1: R g U I am. And it's about these modern
Speaker 1: Orthodox people in Jerusalem. They're they have regular jobs, they're
Speaker 1: obeying all the you know, uh prescriptions, but they're looking
Speaker 1: for Mr. And mss right. One is a doctor. One
Speaker 1: is this It's really good? S aren't you? S s
Speaker 1: r U g I mka are you g Well? I'm
Speaker 1: glad you spelled it. What does that spell something in Hebrew.
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly, but if we go to the top,
Speaker 1: put spiral. Now jumping to the other side, the number
Speaker 1: one show they had was called Prisoners of War. It
Speaker 1: is an ordeal. It's slowered first, but it is utterly amazing.
Speaker 1: But but you're still not telling me where to find
Speaker 1: these Okay, prisoners of War. I believe it's on Hulu okay.
Speaker 1: And then what about the Bureau Bureau is on a
Speaker 1: Sundance Okay. And then there's another great French show called
Speaker 1: a French Village, which is about you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you're like me, I can never get enough Nazis.
Speaker 1: But uh, it's the Nazis taking over a town in France.
Speaker 1: Now listen, Irving likes very fast paced stuff, so I
Speaker 1: have to ask you, there are some of these things
Speaker 1: that are slower paced like Irving. I'm not like Irving.
Speaker 1: Irving has an attention span of a mosquito. I don't. Okay,
Speaker 1: that is a cornucopia of shows. Oh, and what is
Speaker 1: the Icelandic show. I've seen that Icelandic show, But wait,
Speaker 1: what's the one that takes place in at that French
Speaker 1: ski resort at the on that beautiful lake and the
Speaker 1: background and it's a detective show, but it's the backdrop
Speaker 1: is that beautiful lake? Oh you're talking about Top of
Speaker 1: the Lake. No, no, no, not Top of the Lake.
Speaker 1: That was good too, though. Uh we're not talking about
Speaker 1: the Avalanche movie which was remade. No no, no, not
Speaker 1: that man. You're talking about the series, a detective series
Speaker 1: and it takes place in a French town on a
Speaker 1: lake and it's called Lake something and it's not coming
Speaker 1: to me right now. It was great. You know, I've
Speaker 1: really watched almost did you watch The Returned which was
Speaker 1: also on That's not something I really highly recommended. Also
Speaker 1: another Israeli show with a less than stellar ending, but
Speaker 1: good on Netflix, When Heroes Fly. Oh I've never heard
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, when Heroes Fly. Okay, well these are
Speaker 1: a lot of good recommendation. Thank you, Bob. I got
Speaker 1: this is my thing because I don't want to waste
Speaker 1: a minute on television. Okay, I have to zero just
Speaker 1: like with you and the drugs, I have to zero
Speaker 1: in on what people's tastes are. I'll tell you two
Speaker 1: other shows that are so good but may not be
Speaker 1: up your ally. One is called Bonus Family, on Hulu.
Speaker 1: It's a sweetish show about a blended family. On the surface,
Speaker 1: not interesting, but in reality it's about all the interactions
Speaker 1: of the different families. On the same tip, there's the
Speaker 1: A word on Amazon, which is you ever been to
Speaker 1: the Lake District in England? In England? Yeah, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: in Manchester multiple times. They're in the Lake District. It
Speaker 1: is so beautiful. This is about people live in the
Speaker 1: Lake District find out their kid is autistic. You know
Speaker 1: these are This is humanity involving relationships. But so Spiral
Speaker 1: is a cop show better than any American cops show. Okay,
Speaker 1: and what is Spiral on Spiral? I think the first
Speaker 1: season is free on am is on then you have
Speaker 1: to buy Mega Hurts MHz, although it tells you right
Speaker 1: there what you have to do. All right, Well, I
Speaker 1: have a lot of assignments from this podcast. I have
Speaker 1: a lot of books and television to get. Okay, as
Speaker 1: I say, I don't want to ultimately overload you, but
Speaker 1: if you can, I'm the most reachable person ever because
Speaker 1: my email addresses my email address. If you email me,
Speaker 1: I'll give you a more comprehensive thing with the books
Speaker 1: and the shows. But the two books I recommended, etcetera.
Speaker 1: As I say, there are some other books this guy
Speaker 1: Gary Steinart, Oh, Gary Steinart, Super Beautiful loved Suit, super
Speaker 1: trad love story. How did you like that? Um, that's
Speaker 1: not my style of book either, But I I can
Speaker 1: appreciate that. But I don't know. Super sad true love Story.
Speaker 1: I've read it. I thought it was overrated. But the
Speaker 1: most recent one, I've read all of them because is
Speaker 1: so good. The guy goes on it's an investment baker
Speaker 1: who goes on ha gira over the whole country looking
Speaker 1: for his old girlfriend and stuff like that. As I say,
Speaker 1: it's in a similar stole, but this works or the
Speaker 1: other one, I don't. I think I rean passed. Did
Speaker 1: you read all of kit Ridge? The woman in Maine
Speaker 1: who's icon of clastic didn't know. I have not read that.
Speaker 1: Put this like this is well known't you? It's olive
Speaker 1: and you spelled kit Ridge. I know how to spell that.
Speaker 1: I've seen it. K I T T E R. As
Speaker 1: many people would say, ari e oh, I say, okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't notice. Okay, that's that's just a blue chip,
Speaker 1: you know, like some like Happy Valley. Everybody loved that
Speaker 1: and it's not low brow. Oh I read happy that.
Speaker 1: Oh you oh you mean that's a show? No? No,
Speaker 1: there was also for a funk the HBO Show with
Speaker 1: Francis McDorman. But you want to read the book, the
Speaker 1: only book. There's only a couple of appreciate you using
Speaker 1: that kind of language, Bob. Okay, there's only a couple
Speaker 1: of movie these that are better than the book because
Speaker 1: of Dylan selling his stuff. Do you ever read any
Speaker 1: of of Michael Chayban's books. They're really highly reviewed. First
Speaker 1: one first one is Mysteries of Pittsburgh. Then there's the
Speaker 1: one about the Golem and all this stuff. I can't
Speaker 1: get into him, but I've read a lot of them.
Speaker 1: Wonder Boys. The movie is better than the book, which
Speaker 1: is the Forrest Gump. I think the movie was better
Speaker 1: than the book or tantum out to the book because
Speaker 1: they executed that very well. Did you read the book
Speaker 1: before or after you saw the movie? I read the
Speaker 1: book after and then Jaws I think also was a screenplay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess this is you know, he this is guy
Speaker 1: is a highly revered you know, it's real. I hate
Speaker 1: to use the term l like literature. Okay, We've covered
Speaker 1: a lot of subjects. We've covered skiing, We've covered books,
Speaker 1: We've covered irving, We've watched TV show, We've talked about
Speaker 1: your relationships. I don't want to be overbearing here, but
Speaker 1: it's fascin eating to talk to someone who's intelligent, has
Speaker 1: an opinion and is not afraid to verbalize it, and
Speaker 1: is also unafraid to challenge somebody. So uh, I think
Speaker 1: we've come to the end of the feeling we've known.
Speaker 1: But I want to thank you so much for doing
Speaker 1: this well. It was a pleasure of spending two hours
Speaker 1: with you. This is the longest podcast I've ever done. Well,
Speaker 1: As I say, that's why I would stop. We could
Speaker 1: go for another couple of hours, like Joe Rogan, but
Speaker 1: I don't think. I think they'll be diminishing returns for
Speaker 1: our I think so too, especially if you yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go in there. I'm just gonna take a shower
Speaker 1: and stead until next time. This is Bob left Things