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Speaker 3: You about say, I was just about to say, so

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Speaker 3: But that's all I'm like, Oh, it's jump like jump

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Speaker 4: We're gonna do all that. I don't think he missed

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Speaker 3: It was the three on three portion, the spots shots,

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Speaker 3: And it was that I think they had he got

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Speaker 5: And we found a way. But they were they're gonna

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Speaker 1: And you know, I want my players to get there.

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Speaker 1: If you can get twelve thirteen rebounds, you're going to

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Speaker 3: That was I mean, I know rebounding, what I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure you know obviously you know you're pre

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Speaker 4: But they were like that won't really translate.

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Speaker 3: But like they looked at the rebounding number, They're like

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Speaker 4: I think probably like nine.

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Speaker 6: Yeah for your size, that's great.

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Speaker 1: Great, Like when your difference in school.

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Speaker 5: To yeah he left senior, I left the junior one

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Speaker 1: Were you?

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Speaker 6: Were you?

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Speaker 1: You? Unless you when you beat Carolina or was it.

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Speaker 6: Just that was?

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Speaker 4: No, that was that was my freshman year year.

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Speaker 1: It was. It was in the top part of the

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Speaker 6: That ship was crazy.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's the greatest March Madness finish ever?

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Speaker 1: It was pretty special. It was pretty special. Yeah, it

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Everything happened so fast, like you're up ten them were ties. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: And then I asked coach right like had him on

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Speaker 5: I mean neither.

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Speaker 5: It was a complete blackout moment, but somehow, some way

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Speaker 1: You never forget those moments March madness. You know, I've

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Speaker 1: We had eight NBA players. A thirteenth man was Nazi Muhammed,

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Speaker 6: Absolutely. I remember we played.

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Speaker 4: That Wisconsin, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 5: It would be lost, but they were an eight seed

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