Speaker 1: Welcome to Katie's Crib, a production of Shondaland Audio in
Speaker 1: partnership with iHeartRadio. Your kids, did they prefer your wives
Speaker 1: over you or you over your wives? Or have you
Speaker 1: just seen the phases go in and out?
Speaker 2: We're deep in a phase in my house right now.
Speaker 2: My daughter prefers me and my son prefers your wife.
Speaker 2: It's funny because they both go extremes. They're both very
Speaker 2: sweet to both of us. But like my son, him
Speaker 2: and I will have a fun moment and I'll say
Speaker 2: I love you, buddy, and he goes, I love mom
Speaker 2: with all my heart, more than anything in the world.
Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome back to Katie's Crib. Adam is very
Speaker 1: excited about today's episode because we've got a couple guests
Speaker 1: on today that Adam is a huge fan of and yes,
Speaker 1: he's had playdates with them in the park. They all
Speaker 1: have man crushes on each other and it's adorable. I
Speaker 1: first met these incredible gentlemen actually doing moms splaining with
Speaker 1: Kristen Bell, who was a guest on Katie's Crib season one.
Speaker 1: I am talking about Kevin and Evan, who are best
Speaker 1: known as the Dumb Dads, and if you're on TikTok
Speaker 1: or you're a parent, I'm sure they pop up on
Speaker 1: your for you page all the time. The two of
Speaker 1: them are stay at home dad comedians behind the popular
Speaker 1: Dumb Dad pod TikTok account. They're also the hosts of
Speaker 1: the Dumb Dad Podcast, a show that's all about bringing
Speaker 1: humor to the perils of parenting. Evan and Kevin have
Speaker 1: been featured on Mom's Plaining, As I said with Kvel,
Speaker 1: They've been on Ellen Today and Good Morning America for
Speaker 1: their social media sketch comedy. They also make content for Bubble,
Speaker 1: a channel on Ellen Tube. Kevin and Evan, what an
Speaker 1: honor to spend some time with you today. Welcome to
Speaker 1: Katie's crib.
Speaker 3: A. Hi.
Speaker 1: I'm so pumped about this, saying Adam is such like
Speaker 1: a fan. We just had him on I know, how
Speaker 1: do you do?
Speaker 3: Here's the thing. He had no energy for you guys.
Speaker 1: That's Adam have a lot of energy. Actually, we both
Speaker 1: don't have that much energy left for each other, so
Speaker 1: I'm curious how it's going in your households. We've met
Speaker 1: at a park, yes, before, my my son, isn't you? Yes?
Speaker 1: But no, really, what I meant was, my husband is
Speaker 1: so into you guys of the channel. He's a dumb
Speaker 1: dad too, but not. I feel like you guys are way.
Speaker 3: Dumber, way dummer like way so much.
Speaker 1: We've crossed paths so many times. We were both guests
Speaker 1: on Kristen Bell's Mom's blaming.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that's right.
Speaker 1: You guys are paving the way when it comes to
Speaker 1: the dad space.
Speaker 2: It's funny you brought up Kristen because she said that
Speaker 2: she was the first one to say that to us. Yeah, once,
Speaker 2: and we were I was like, oh, maybe we should stop.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I should go back to bartending.
Speaker 1: And Adam feels this way too, And I know my
Speaker 1: brother is like my best friend too, and he's a
Speaker 1: very involved dad. And I think, I think this is
Speaker 1: going in a great trend, in a great way that
Speaker 1: dads are way more involved and there are dads who
Speaker 1: are the primary caretaker. Tell me first, how And I'm
Speaker 1: sorry you have answered this question one million times, but
Speaker 1: not for the Katie's crab body, and so here we
Speaker 1: have it right, that's right. How did dumb dads come
Speaker 1: to be? How did you meet? How did the idea happen?
Speaker 4: Kevin and I met doing sketch comedy and you're both
Speaker 4: to and so yeah, so we're doing sketch comedy like
Speaker 4: live shows. And then fast forward we had kids, and
Speaker 4: then in preparation for kids, like a lot of the
Speaker 4: wives do, they were like listening to podcasts and everything,
Speaker 4: and they were like, there's like no dad podcasts out there,
Speaker 4: and we'd always kind of looked for something else to
Speaker 4: do together. We weren't really sure what that was going
Speaker 4: to be.
Speaker 2: But the dad podcast, I will say the ones that
Speaker 2: existed were so typical dad podcasts where it was just like, oh,
Speaker 2: another dad podcast.
Speaker 3: The last one was three years ago.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like they have like we have a dad podcast
Speaker 4: now we have three episodes, right, so we thought, okay,
Speaker 4: So like right before Kevin and his wife Annie were
Speaker 4: having their second child, we thought that'd be a great
Speaker 4: time to start, like at the beginning of having a baby,
Speaker 4: and they're like talking about the.
Speaker 2: Experience and pairing too, which was really fun to be like,
Speaker 2: I have one, she's almost four or three at that time,
Speaker 2: and then it was like.
Speaker 3: We're about to have a second one. You just get
Speaker 3: to compare, like, uh, I didn't.
Speaker 4: Go this way this time, right, So we just decided Okay,
Speaker 4: the biggest thing is going to be consistency. We can't
Speaker 4: put a dad podcast out there if we're not gonna
Speaker 4: it's only gonna be once a while. We're gonna have
Speaker 4: just once a week. So we just thought we can
Speaker 4: commit to once week. Let's just sit down and record
Speaker 4: a conversation. That's where we'll start, and then we're both
Speaker 4: actors performers. And so the pandemic hit, we were still
Speaker 4: doing our podcast. We were doing it remotely, which was insane.
Speaker 4: We were struggling to figure that out for a while.
Speaker 4: And then when the pandemic hit and like the whole
Speaker 4: industry shut down and there was no auditions or anything,
Speaker 4: we were like, now what do we do? We don't
Speaker 4: have anything to do. So we started posting like sketches
Speaker 4: online about being dads, and Kevin posted one about being
Speaker 4: a stay home dad and it did well, and we thought, okay,
Speaker 4: that's cool.
Speaker 1: That's an understatement. It did so well. You guys can
Speaker 1: go look at all their socials and their tiktoks and
Speaker 1: all their numbers and all their followers and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: But it's such an inspiration to people.
Speaker 4: So yeah, so thank you very much. We were posting
Speaker 4: for like two and a half months or so something
Speaker 4: like that, it was like nothing really grabbed, and then
Speaker 4: a stay home dad video did pretty well. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: maybe this is like the lens we need to put
Speaker 4: every this is the filter we need to put everything through.
Speaker 4: So then I don't know, and then I guess here
Speaker 4: we are. We posted a couple of things that went
Speaker 4: pretty viral, and.
Speaker 3: Chris and Bell, like k Bell just blew it up.
Speaker 4: And that was awesome, and we thought, oh cool, that's crazy.
Speaker 4: She put that in front of so many people. And
Speaker 4: then next thing, you know, her people reached out to
Speaker 4: us and asked if we wanted to be on Mom's
Speaker 4: planing and then we were like, what is happening?
Speaker 3: Now we get to talk to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but really, you're paving the way and I know
Speaker 1: that she said that, and I'm saying it again, you
Speaker 1: guys being on the forefront of this, like why do
Speaker 1: you think the response has been what it.
Speaker 2: Is in our emails or dms where somebody who's like
Speaker 2: in the Midwest or something like that, and it's a
Speaker 2: dad who's a stay at home dad, and we've got
Speaker 2: some incredibly sweet and heartfelt messages of just being like
Speaker 2: I felt really alone doing this. What I'm doing isn't
Speaker 2: normal quote where I am. So you need to just
Speaker 2: thank you guys for what you're doing. And that's that's
Speaker 2: been the stuff that's like WHOA made us? Like pause
Speaker 2: for a seconds. We're just there's the dumb dads. We're predious.
Speaker 2: Where do make a joke.
Speaker 1: It's affecting change. I mean we're over here the mom's
Speaker 1: you know, working moms. I'm doing so many episode topics
Speaker 1: about how to juggle it all and how to not
Speaker 1: feel guilty. And at the same time, I'm curious about
Speaker 1: your experience being stay at home dads. Did it feel
Speaker 1: weird from the beginning or were you always like, nope,
Speaker 1: I'm taking up space. I'm owning this identity and this
Speaker 1: is me now.
Speaker 4: First, I guess I was just say also, we became
Speaker 4: state home dance, Like as soon as we started having kids,
Speaker 4: we just decided this works great for schedules, and so
Speaker 4: we'll just be the state home dads.
Speaker 3: It sounded fun to us.
Speaker 4: I think it was like, I really want to tackle
Speaker 4: this and do this, but we definitely like you were
Speaker 4: taking your daughter to dance for a while, You're definitely
Speaker 4: like the only guy in the room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, think my wife said. My wife said, and I
Speaker 2: think this is great. She's a great mom and she
Speaker 2: does so much for the family, but she's also like,
Speaker 2: I couldn't do stay at home mom.
Speaker 3: I couldn't do it. And it just it worked out.
Speaker 2: At that time, I was bartending nights like really late,
Speaker 2: like nine to three, and she'd get home from work
Speaker 2: at seven, So we were kind of like, this actually works.
Speaker 3: I only worked like three shifts at that.
Speaker 2: Time when we started having kids, so it was just like,
Speaker 2: so three days a week, the mornings are real tough,
Speaker 2: but other than that, like, other than that, it's fine.
Speaker 3: And we did that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I still take my kids to all of
Speaker 2: the doctor's appointments, the dentist dance class.
Speaker 1: What's the weirdest thing you've gotten? Like, what rude or
Speaker 1: lovely thing have someone said, whether it be a doctor
Speaker 1: or professional or another mom in the class, like what
Speaker 1: are you doing here? Whatever it is, has that kind
Speaker 1: of situation happened?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah, My favorite.
Speaker 2: My favorite was I had my radio flyer wagon and
Speaker 2: I had my daughter sitting in it because we were
Speaker 2: gonna walk down the street like a couple like several
Speaker 2: blocks to the pet store to get dog food.
Speaker 3: I was like something to do, Like you.
Speaker 4: Gotta listen, you gotta fill the time activity, so you
Speaker 4: gotta fill the time. Yeah, you gotta kill it's all
Speaker 4: this cock man, it's all running out the cock. So
Speaker 4: I'm like pulling her down the street. She's just looking around.
Speaker 2: And then I just hear you gotta talk to her,
Speaker 2: and I look and there's a mom across the street,
Speaker 2: like you gotta talk to her.
Speaker 3: Dad, talk to your kid. Huh.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to talk to her ever again, just
Speaker 2: out of spite for that you got constant.
Speaker 1: Why is it any of her business? And also what
Speaker 1: does that even mean?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think she just thought I had just a quiet
Speaker 2: dad who's just like pointing to point, b get that
Speaker 2: out of your mouth and then that's it and then
Speaker 2: we're home. I don't know, but it was definitely like
Speaker 2: so targeted that it was like this idiot is doing
Speaker 2: such a bad job. And she saw me for three
Speaker 2: seconds before she was yelling across the street.
Speaker 3: You're not constant, constant.
Speaker 4: I took my my son had like an orthodonist appointment,
Speaker 4: and I don't know, this is like a year and
Speaker 4: a half ago or something, and so I take him
Speaker 4: to the appointment. After the appointment, we're going over like
Speaker 4: going forward, we want to be doing this practice and
Speaker 4: doing these things. And then basically I get the whole
Speaker 4: rundown of how to take care of the teeth, what
Speaker 4: you want to be doing at night, and then going forward,
Speaker 4: we want to do this and if you want, I
Speaker 4: can call your wife and explain all this to her.
Speaker 3: It was just like, do I look that stupid dude?
Speaker 3: Dis am?
Speaker 1: I just like, and also what you're battling. These societal
Speaker 1: norms are so ingrained.
Speaker 4: And if anything, Kevin and I knew what we were
Speaker 4: signing up for when we started putting a bunch of
Speaker 4: stuff on social media, because the internet is an absolute
Speaker 4: circus and we've been very fortunate with a lot of
Speaker 4: the comments that we get and of supportive parents, moms
Speaker 4: and dads out there. But when that kind of stuff
Speaker 4: happens in real life or sometimes in the comments, we
Speaker 4: just laugh about it, like, man, guess what somebody told me?
Speaker 4: Because I don't take that personally. Are just like I'm here,
Speaker 4: I brought my kid. I was able to find my
Speaker 4: card and pay for it.
Speaker 1: So I am an adult, I am a responsible Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's ever the double standard too. I
Speaker 1: have a very good friend who has three children. When
Speaker 1: he goes around with the three kids, let's say, in
Speaker 1: the airport on the plane, like, people are like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, look at that. It's a man doing all
Speaker 1: the heavy lifting with child rearing. Everybody, get out of
Speaker 1: the way. What can we do to help? Do you
Speaker 1: have those experience as well as the ones where they're like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing here at ballet? This is not
Speaker 1: for you. This is Mommi's and children. Is there ever
Speaker 1: the opposite?
Speaker 2: I've had that specifically at the grocery store, just waiting
Speaker 2: in line. I was holding my daughter, not doing anything special.
Speaker 2: I was talking to her, this time you learned your lesson.
Speaker 2: I was talking. But some I'm like, not always, but
Speaker 2: it's usually an older woman who will say, she just goes,
Speaker 2: you're such a good dad.
Speaker 3: And I was like, you don't know that, you don't
Speaker 3: know that.
Speaker 4: You didn't hear me the way I screamed at her
Speaker 4: in the car before I got or whatever, like I just.
Speaker 2: Popped a filling, gritting my teeth earlier, but okay.
Speaker 3: And I'll say this too.
Speaker 4: It's so unfair because this is another joke that we
Speaker 4: tell or that something we joke about.
Speaker 3: It's like that will happen.
Speaker 4: And yet you paint the scenario where there's this mom
Speaker 4: behind you who is by yourself with three children who
Speaker 4: are going crazy, and she's just trying her best to
Speaker 4: like wrangle them and keep them calm and save for
Speaker 4: the moment, like she's running circles around you in that
Speaker 4: moment in terms of parenting, when you're just holding your
Speaker 4: kid right, like yeah, And that's not talked about it
Speaker 4: enough either.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it sucks. I can think about it.
Speaker 1: We've both flown with both of our children multiple times
Speaker 1: by ourselves. I get eye rolls. How dare you bring
Speaker 1: children on a plane. I'm like, I'm back next to
Speaker 1: the toilets where I belong. People, I don't know how
Speaker 1: even grossing at my children across the country to visit family.
Speaker 1: And yet Adam, when he's flown by himself, people are like,
Speaker 1: can I help you with your bags? Let me put
Speaker 1: them up for you. What does he need? And I'm
Speaker 1: just like, what the fuck.
Speaker 3: The cocktail is on us?
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like, oh, like yay, he's doing something like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he should be doing this so backwards. It's very backwards.
Speaker 1: But I do feel bad. I don't know what it
Speaker 1: is about people being so shocked when because I kind
Speaker 1: of am too. I'm looking, I'm asking myself of it.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of when the dad has been
Speaker 1: at the mommy and me class, or let's call it
Speaker 1: the toddler and me class, or the chance something like
Speaker 1: why are we so like, what are you doing here?
Speaker 3: It's so ingrained, I guess.
Speaker 2: I mean it's tough because I think there is like
Speaker 2: there are a lot of dads that fall into the category,
Speaker 2: or at least they used to be. I'm sure it's
Speaker 2: a much greater and less number now, but like that
Speaker 2: that are just like to do the weaponized incompetence of well,
Speaker 2: you already know how this stuff.
Speaker 3: Why should I do it? Mom's already knows there's so
Speaker 3: much better at it than I am, so I'll just
Speaker 3: let you do it.
Speaker 1: By the way, all you moms listening, whether you're stay
Speaker 1: at home or you work or whatever. I always tell
Speaker 1: my mom friends when they're like, I just do everything
Speaker 1: because I don't even want to take the time because
Speaker 1: it takes him longer to do it. I'm like, oh boy,
Speaker 1: you are fucking yourself, because let this be a lesson
Speaker 1: you will do everything. First of all, Let go of
Speaker 1: whoever you're co parenting with doing it different than you
Speaker 1: and it being worse or better. Who cares. Just let
Speaker 1: them do it, because then they'll do it and you're
Speaker 1: not doing it. Go hide in your room. It's just
Speaker 1: setting up that the workload should be shared between everybody,
Speaker 1: and you're really setting yourself up for failure if you're
Speaker 1: starting from jump doing everything because you want it done
Speaker 1: a certain way, big trouble.
Speaker 4: Everyone's gonna have a breaking point and you're just stacking on.
Speaker 4: It's too much responsibility.
Speaker 1: Kevin and Evan, when you told your wives that, you
Speaker 1: were like, I'll just be a stay at home debt.
Speaker 1: How did your wives deal with it?
Speaker 2: It was kind of more of like a oh wait,
Speaker 2: hold on, Like we were we've definitely considered talked about
Speaker 2: having kids before and then just looking back me, particularly
Speaker 2: with our schedule, I was already bartending nights, she was
Speaker 2: working days and you know, till seven, and it was like,
Speaker 2: I think we have a good situation here, and then yeah,
Speaker 2: we had the honest conversation was that something you'd want
Speaker 2: to do, It's gonna be a lot of work. And
Speaker 2: luckily I had a good support sysem Evan and I
Speaker 2: have a My brother and sister in law lived nearby,
Speaker 2: so when I had to run errands, I could always
Speaker 2: drop the kids off if it was something I couldn't
Speaker 2: bring the kids. But yeah, it was actually pretty pretty
Speaker 2: straightforward of like I'm I am a dumb dad because
Speaker 2: I was just kind of like I was kind of
Speaker 2: the Adobe dad of just like yeah, how you did it?
Speaker 1: Did you two decide together? Was it a conversation that
Speaker 1: you two also had, Like, hey, bro, like I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about doing this.
Speaker 2: I don't think we I don't think no because your
Speaker 2: kid is a year and a half.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my kid's almost yeah, more than a year older.
Speaker 4: I had the first I was the first one to
Speaker 4: have a baby, right, So gratulations yeah, and so so
Speaker 4: god man, just so many paths just so, but he's
Speaker 4: right in saying that, Like I felt like a dumb
Speaker 4: dad too, like yeah, I could do that. But it
Speaker 4: was also like financially, it kind of made this when
Speaker 4: you start figuring out like this is how much preschool costs? Like,
Speaker 4: I don't even make that much money, but if I'm
Speaker 4: a stay at home dad, it's like that's how much
Speaker 4: I make a month, essentially, because otherwise we'd have to
Speaker 4: pay that amount of money to have somebody.
Speaker 1: Else daycare or a babysitter or something.
Speaker 3: Financially, it works, schedule wise, it works. Same thing I was.
Speaker 4: I think I had transitioned out of working a full
Speaker 4: time job into bartending as well, working in bars as well.
Speaker 4: Eventually it was just like, thankfully you want to do
Speaker 4: that right now anymore trying to turn this into like
Speaker 4: our job.
Speaker 1: What would we do yea guys, Yeah, dumb dads.
Speaker 3: It was like two different lives.
Speaker 4: You're working a job until three thirty in the morning
Speaker 4: and then coming home and then being a say home
Speaker 4: dad was.
Speaker 3: Like really difficult. After a while, the older we got
Speaker 3: it was like, this is a difficult switch.
Speaker 4: But the dumb dad part comes in with, like Kevin said,
Speaker 4: just by going yeah, I think I can do it.
Speaker 3: I think I will do.
Speaker 4: It, and that it goes back to like being involved
Speaker 4: in sharing the responsibility.
Speaker 3: The dumb comes into.
Speaker 4: Parenting is hard and you're gonna make mistakes all over
Speaker 4: the place, so you might as well. Just go for
Speaker 4: it and try it and learn from your mistakes and
Speaker 4: get better at it.
Speaker 1: Evan and Kevin, what did your most epic dad fail
Speaker 1: to date?
Speaker 3: We talk about this every week on our podcast What's
Speaker 3: the dumb Thing You did this Week? And there's always.
Speaker 2: Something one that was almost really bad. Thankfully it wasn't.
Speaker 2: Everything ended up fine. Was when my son was born.
Speaker 2: I stayed overnight, my daughter stayed with Evan, and then
Speaker 2: stayed in the hospital overnight, and then the next day
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, I'm gonna go home tonight
Speaker 2: and I'll sleep at the apartment with my daughter. So
Speaker 2: I left my mom with the baby, so I get
Speaker 2: her pick her up, and then I'm getting all the
Speaker 2: stuff out of the car and my wife is in
Speaker 2: the hospital recovering with our newborn, and I slammed that
Speaker 2: trunk on my daughter's head.
Speaker 3: As hard as I could.
Speaker 2: No, whah, yeah, she stepped forward right as I was like,
Speaker 2: it's a hatchback. So you're just like no, I'm like,
Speaker 2: we're going to the hospital. Like I'm gonna be calling
Speaker 2: my wife being like, hey, we're downstairs if you need
Speaker 2: anything in the er.
Speaker 1: She's getting stitches right next to the cafeteria concussion, but
Speaker 1: she was okay, she was totally fine.
Speaker 3: Apparently I've noodle arms. Thank god. Well she's gotta fix.
Speaker 2: But I remember I was like going to slam the
Speaker 2: trunk like you do, and she's.
Speaker 1: Did that my mom's head, and I still remember the feeling.
Speaker 1: I remember so bad.
Speaker 3: I remember everything about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, its picture protect right, dar image right there. Oh,
Speaker 1: I shut my son's thumb in the van door hard, horrible.
Speaker 1: Everything is about that moment too. What about you, Evan?
Speaker 4: Last year, we made this joke all year long about
Speaker 4: how insane it is that like one day in the
Speaker 4: middle of the week you have early dismissal at school and.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, we have that next year. I will
Speaker 1: meet you at any park. I am terrified.
Speaker 4: And we always joked about it all year long. It's
Speaker 4: gonna happen. It's gonna happen. But we're like, I'm twenty
Speaker 4: five for twenty five. Every day I'm there, I'm not forgetting.
Speaker 3: I forget.
Speaker 4: And then there was this one random Tuesday where second
Speaker 4: to last second the year, thank you, Kevin, second second
Speaker 4: to last Tuesday of the entire school year. My son
Speaker 4: was at school and it was the middle of the
Speaker 4: day and I literally had just had a conversation with
Speaker 4: my wife, this is great, feeling good, got work done
Speaker 4: early today.
Speaker 3: And I was like laying on the couch relaxing.
Speaker 1: Oh no, just do nothing.
Speaker 4: Doing literally nothing, and my phone rings and it's my
Speaker 4: son's teacher who is with him in the office, because
Speaker 4: it was like twenty five minutes past the time that
Speaker 4: I should have been there to pick him up, and.
Speaker 3: I just completely spaced.
Speaker 1: It happens, that easily happens, that is it easily. Was
Speaker 1: he upset or was he like all right, dumb dad?
Speaker 4: Was he was like I think he was a little upset.
Speaker 4: But she was there with him the whole time, and
Speaker 4: she was She was an amazing teacher. She was always
Speaker 4: there for the kids emotionally. It was like the first
Speaker 4: year after the pandemic, so that that's what the kids
Speaker 4: really needed after the pandemic, a teacher to really beave
Speaker 4: there fro him emotionally.
Speaker 3: So she was there the whole time with him because
Speaker 3: you weren't there, because I wasn't there.
Speaker 4: And I will say this though, it was after like
Speaker 4: a three day weekend or something like that, where you know,
Speaker 4: like throws you off as parents. It always does that
Speaker 4: to me, where it's like they don't go to school Monday,
Speaker 4: so then the rest of the week, I feel like
Speaker 4: it's a different day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, super confusing.
Speaker 4: And I say that because he I was like, I can't.
Speaker 4: I went to pick him up and I was like, dude,
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry. He's like, it's okay.
Speaker 3: There were a lot of kids in the office, a
Speaker 3: lot of parents, did it.
Speaker 1: A lot of people, yes, a lot.
Speaker 3: Of them running behind it work though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably all soon. Yeah, okay, what about your
Speaker 1: most epic proud moments oof parenting.
Speaker 3: When we get to one, we'll let you know.
Speaker 1: Come on, there's got to be some moment where you
Speaker 1: were like, like my son said, this weekend, someone asked them,
Speaker 1: how are you feeling about starting kindergarten in the fall,
Speaker 1: and he said, well, I'm having two feelings at once.
Speaker 1: I'm excited and I'm also very nervous. And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, maybe you're not a sociopath. It's dumb, dad,
Speaker 1: dad us.
Speaker 3: Sorry for the interruption. I just wanted to hey, pal
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Speaker 1: podcast record. They say hi, and by okay, epic proud, you.
Speaker 2: Have a very recent one, and then I'll say my
Speaker 2: old one that I've told before. But from my daughter,
Speaker 2: this was a few years ago. She there was one
Speaker 2: night she wasn't going to bed, and you know how
Speaker 2: that is where we got a gentle parent, our way
Speaker 2: through it.
Speaker 3: Whatever. Man, my parents had it so easy where they could.
Speaker 1: Just scream the door.
Speaker 3: I don't want to scream.
Speaker 2: And shut the door. You hear their heavy you hear
Speaker 2: their heavy footsteps, and you pretend you're sleeping.
Speaker 3: Those were the days.
Speaker 2: No anyway, I'm trying to tend a parent or get
Speaker 2: her to bed, and then you don want to sleep.
Speaker 3: We gotta go to bed.
Speaker 2: She won't, and she's not even like going into a room.
Speaker 2: She's just like planted in the hallway or the living room.
Speaker 2: And I was just like, hey, do I need to
Speaker 2: pick you up and carry you to bed? And she said, no, Daddy,
Speaker 2: you can't pick me up because it's my body and
Speaker 2: I choose what I do with it.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, well done. That's still what we
Speaker 1: are doing is so much harder. Yeah, it's impossible.
Speaker 3: I love that story because it is empowering to you
Speaker 3: as parents teaching her the right the right things, but
Speaker 3: also like, how dare you use my knowledge against me?
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, oh yeah, my.
Speaker 1: Son does that all the time. I love gentle bearding,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. Ye yeah, wonderful. But sometimes I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is sometimes it just bites us like bad, Like it's.
Speaker 3: Just we're hardwired to snap, or we're just tired or whatever.
Speaker 2: And a lot of times it'll take me a while
Speaker 2: to accomplish something with my my Todd. You know, my son,
Speaker 2: he's just turned four, So I have difficult moments with him,
Speaker 2: and then when I really pull back and get down
Speaker 2: on his level and then talk to him. It doesn't always,
Speaker 2: but it almost always works, and you're just like, I
Speaker 2: should have done this out the gate. They had something
Speaker 2: kicked it off wrong, so you were already in a
Speaker 2: bad mood.
Speaker 1: Interested, what about you? Evan epic dad wins.
Speaker 4: It's funny, like I don't really have like anything that's
Speaker 4: coming to mind, like a specific moment, But I will
Speaker 4: say there's moments where I feel proud as a parent.
Speaker 4: When my son, he's eight, he's like me as a kid,
Speaker 4: and even as an adult, he wears his emotions on
Speaker 4: his sleeve. He's not afraid to show his emotions. I'm
Speaker 4: prideful of that where he'll acknowledge, oh, man, something happened
Speaker 4: at school today that made me cry and it made
Speaker 4: me feel sad, or he won't be afraid to say like,
Speaker 4: I'm feeling really sad right now, or I'm feeling here's
Speaker 4: a gentle parenting word, I'm feeling big feelings right now.
Speaker 4: But the idea that we're teaching our children to acknowledge
Speaker 4: that it's okay to feel big feelings and then talk
Speaker 4: those out is like such a healthy way to go
Speaker 4: through life. And I wish I knew that. As I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm sure we all to a certain extent. Wish we
Speaker 4: knew that as kids, and so I'm prideful of that
Speaker 4: as a parent that hopefully we will be able to
Speaker 4: continue to have those open conversations where they're chill.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, if we're still doing these podcasts when
Speaker 1: we check in at thirteen, I'm like, so curious because
Speaker 1: you guys are so full own to me, like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is gonna go. I love that.
Speaker 2: Just going back to the general parenting thing though, like
Speaker 2: that kind of resonated with me. I'm as most of
Speaker 2: us parents are. I'm an emotional wreck all of the time,
Speaker 2: especially lately. Everything makes me cry or want to cry
Speaker 2: or hold back tears. We took a red eye the
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, and we got on the
Speaker 2: plane and my daughter was so excited. She'd been on
Speaker 2: a plane, but not since before the pandemic. She doesn't
Speaker 2: remember it at all, so she was so excited, and
Speaker 2: I was explaining everything to her, and I was like,
Speaker 2: we're gonna be going hundreds of miles per hour and
Speaker 2: then we're gonna take off, and then she was like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's cool, and then what and then what are we
Speaker 2: gonna be like right next to the clouds? I was like,
Speaker 2: we're gonna go above the clouds, so we're gonna go
Speaker 2: through them, and then we'll be above the clouds for
Speaker 2: a little while. No, it's dark out, so we probably
Speaker 2: won't see it until we fly back in a few days.
Speaker 2: And then she turns around says to my wife whose
Speaker 2: mother passed away before they were born, and said to them, hey, mom,
Speaker 2: make sure to look for nanny and the clouds.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Nobody was doing well after that.
Speaker 1: That's a game over.
Speaker 3: That's a that was tough.
Speaker 2: But anyway, luckily the first couple of years, you're dealing
Speaker 2: with a very small child that yelling doesn't ever make sense.
Speaker 3: Because they're just infants or whatever. That's not true.
Speaker 2: Yelling into a pillow makes sense because you're so tired,
Speaker 2: and get yourself a screen pillow. You need a scream,
Speaker 2: won't stop crying. All that stuff that's different. Those was
Speaker 2: the best advice my mom gave you, which was like
Speaker 2: funny to hear when they open up to you. My
Speaker 2: mom was just like, I will just say the best
Speaker 2: advice I can give you is don't be afraid to
Speaker 2: put the child down and leave the room. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's a weird thing to say and then cut to
Speaker 2: like six months later. I did that because I needed to.
Speaker 1: Was there ever a time you two haven't been on
Speaker 1: the same page. I know your kids play like all
Speaker 1: the time, and you're like essentially raising them altogether. But like,
Speaker 1: is one of you more strict or one of you
Speaker 1: more laid back, or one of you more anxious. Everyone
Speaker 1: has such different parenting styles and techniques, and some are
Speaker 1: like very crazy about like table manners and pleases and
Speaker 1: thank yous, and some are just like my kids are
Speaker 1: just feral. And that's just one example. But had to
Speaker 1: have the two of you ever disagreed.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Evan, I feel so uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: I don't think so has one of you, because Kevin
Speaker 1: Ever yelled at one of your kids and you were like, well,
Speaker 1: that's crossing the line. That's actually not how we do this.
Speaker 1: In my house, I make.
Speaker 2: Sure that Evan's not around. I usually scariest kids when
Speaker 2: leaves them.
Speaker 1: Because like in the girlfriends, It'll be like if the
Speaker 1: kids all come into my house, let's say there swimming
Speaker 1: right at four o'clock or something, and I'm like, everybody
Speaker 1: for popsicles, and then I like, look and some of
Speaker 1: the moms are like, we don't do sugar this close
Speaker 1: to dinner time, and I'm like, oh wow, I don't
Speaker 1: give a fuck. And then some of the others are like,
Speaker 1: this is a huge sticking point for me, like I
Speaker 1: will make sure that they're totally hungry, like empties. Any
Speaker 1: sort of thing like a popsicle would not even be
Speaker 1: thought of until after six thirty, if at all. So
Speaker 1: that is not what you guys have now.
Speaker 2: And we're pretty aligned with the most stuff. I think
Speaker 2: there was one time I did surprise Evan because my
Speaker 2: wife and I will not do not that even one
Speaker 2: was coming up. There was just a random conversation, we
Speaker 2: are we're never gonna do sleepovers. That was that's the
Speaker 2: one I was going to bring up. That's that That
Speaker 2: one surprised Evan. But there's just so many cases of
Speaker 2: sexual assault with sleepovers.
Speaker 1: Oh god, you're actually scaring the shit out of me
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's like, yes, it's a predatory adult. But then
Speaker 2: sometimes it's just your brother kids.
Speaker 3: Just being curious, not oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're like let me see yours and mine
Speaker 2: and whatever, and that's like whatever. Then later there's trauma
Speaker 2: with that and there's just a lot of different ways
Speaker 2: that stuff happens.
Speaker 1: How are you what's your plan to mitigate this? Anyone's
Speaker 1: allowed to sleep over your house or not even that?
Speaker 3: Not at all?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, we won't do any sleep but if we
Speaker 2: did a sleepover, they'll be sleeping in the same rooms
Speaker 2: at that any at all. But no, we wouldn't because
Speaker 2: that's like, all right, guys go to bed. What are
Speaker 2: we gonna do hover there until they sleep? Like obviously
Speaker 2: kids stay.
Speaker 1: Up, but they can have sleepovers with Evans kids or
Speaker 1: no sleepovers is the rule.
Speaker 3: No, we're not going to do any of it.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's incredible. I am always so fascinated when people
Speaker 1: just know, know within themselves that this is a line
Speaker 1: that they have set and that is it. Like, I
Speaker 1: think that's great.
Speaker 4: It's not like I fully disagree with that at all.
Speaker 4: If anything, it caught me off guard when we were
Speaker 4: talking about it that night, because it was like, I
Speaker 4: don't remember why. It was like some one of our
Speaker 4: kids got invited or it was like, oh maybe we
Speaker 4: could do that, and they were like, oh, we don't
Speaker 4: think we want to do that, and I was like really,
Speaker 4: and it just I think it probably took me my
Speaker 4: surprise because I had sleepover as as a kid, and
Speaker 4: I always had a positive experience, so I think of
Speaker 4: it as like a fun thing, but I never thought
Speaker 4: of it from that perspective. Our two families are all
Speaker 4: very close. We have very similar parenting styles. We're not
Speaker 4: afraid to like parent each other's kids if we noticed
Speaker 4: them doing something they shouldn't do, We're comfortable with that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: But that was the thing that was like I probably
Speaker 4: disagreed with at the time, not knowing like maybe even
Speaker 4: why I was disagreeing with it, because I hadn't even
Speaker 4: thought of that perspective before. And then once you said that,
Speaker 4: I was like, wow, that makes actually a lot of
Speaker 4: sense to me. That it was like, is if I
Speaker 4: never had sleepovers as a kid, would that really like
Speaker 4: change me as a person now?
Speaker 3: Probably not, So then why maybe take that risk? Or
Speaker 3: yeah it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't feel like we're are going to be
Speaker 2: disadvantaging our kids because every Thursday, for instance, Evanen's family
Speaker 2: come over, we go live for the dumb dads for
Speaker 2: like an hour on our social platforms, and then we
Speaker 2: all sit down and have dinner to Yeah, that whole
Speaker 2: time the kids are.
Speaker 3: Playing the whole time, and then they're up always past
Speaker 3: their best, of course they are.
Speaker 2: And then Evanen's family goes home and our kids go
Speaker 2: right to bed, and it's like they're not missing out
Speaker 2: on anything. If it was asleepover, the only difference is
Speaker 2: they'd sleep in the same room and something could go.
Speaker 4: They wouldn't because they'd be goofing off and they'd be
Speaker 4: going in there, going, please go to sleep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I think parenting changes a lot once you get some
Speaker 1: and whoever the stay at home person is, if that
Speaker 1: is what your family dynamic looks like like, I think
Speaker 1: once they go to school it's a lot better. But
Speaker 1: do you remember the days before they were in school?
Speaker 1: For those who are listening, who are there, did you
Speaker 1: nap while they napped? Did you scroll your phone? Did
Speaker 1: you meditate? Did you like take showers at the end
Speaker 1: of every day? What did you do?
Speaker 3: I was very lucky with my Honor.
Speaker 2: She was a great sleeper and she would take two
Speaker 2: naps a day. For a long time, she was taking
Speaker 2: two naps a day and they were like two to
Speaker 2: three hours each.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Both of his kids sleep so well.
Speaker 4: And I've always slept I've been jealous of them for
Speaker 4: so long for this.
Speaker 3: And that's the real reason I want sleepover. You kids
Speaker 3: are gonna mess.
Speaker 1: Up my kids sleep, like find out they get Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, but I would do one nap for myself and
Speaker 2: I would do one nap, get stuff done like cleaning, laundry,
Speaker 2: stuff like that.
Speaker 3: So I would make sure.
Speaker 2: So if you only your kid only did one nap,
Speaker 2: set a time, you know, you know, for the most part,
Speaker 2: how long they nap for, I'd say take half of
Speaker 2: that time.
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't have to do it every day.
Speaker 2: I would have it like do whatever I want, watch
Speaker 2: a show, play video game, watch watch a.
Speaker 3: Program, but put on an a motion picture.
Speaker 2: It's just hard when they're that young. And communication is
Speaker 2: the biggest thing. It's your partner. Communicating your needs is
Speaker 2: the most important thing. My wife is an incredible partner
Speaker 2: and so helpful and often checks in with me.
Speaker 1: I love hearing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's really great. And she often finds time,
Speaker 2: you know, tries to get time for me most every morning.
Speaker 2: Now she kind of takes control because I'll get up
Speaker 2: with her. She gets up a little earlier, she gets
Speaker 2: up a five and I'll get up around six before
Speaker 2: the kids hopefully are up, and then try to get
Speaker 2: stuff done. Once the kids get up, she will take
Speaker 2: over and do breakfast and stuff, so I can do
Speaker 2: time to myself or get work done like dumb dad stuff.
Speaker 2: And that's really great. But I really can't express enough
Speaker 2: like sometimes relationships are good need to be uncomfortable because
Speaker 2: you have to tell them if something's bothering you so
Speaker 2: it doesn't bottle up or whatever. And that's the best
Speaker 2: thing that can help you, especially if you are the
Speaker 2: default parent.
Speaker 3: I think we do the same thing.
Speaker 4: I probably try to hide it more, but I don't
Speaker 4: do it good enough job because my wife will be like,
Speaker 4: do you need to do you need to go.
Speaker 3: Somewhere a moment?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you're like, no, I'm fine, I'm fine, and.
Speaker 2: Then I'll then I'll be like you they need to
Speaker 2: go somewhere to go to the bathroom because your face
Speaker 2: is real weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah are you sweating? Where are you sweating?
Speaker 1: What did you do in the early because your face
Speaker 1: was going like coh shit, My kids never napped. What
Speaker 1: did you do for breaks and to take care of
Speaker 1: your sanity?
Speaker 4: I would do I would try to nap when they napped,
Speaker 4: my kids took naps, but there was never like a
Speaker 4: healthy schedule of three and a half hour naps or
Speaker 4: whatever that Kevin would get.
Speaker 3: Just like how in the world times full?
Speaker 4: So you know, I would try to nap when I
Speaker 4: when they were definitely younger, and it was and again
Speaker 4: like going back to like the half working in bar
Speaker 4: schedule and like being a zombie for the first four
Speaker 4: hours of the day and just needing like twenty minutes
Speaker 4: or something wouldn't really help. Sharing responsibilities later in the
Speaker 4: day with my wife.
Speaker 1: How do you do? How do you split up chores
Speaker 1: in your household? Was it always like, Okay, if I'm
Speaker 1: a stay at home parent and I'm were you running everything?
Speaker 1: It's like not only the kids' lives and the kids' schedules,
Speaker 1: but are you also running laundry, putting dinner out, packing lunches?
Speaker 1: Is that all on you as well? Or do your
Speaker 1: wives pick that up? Pick up some of it.
Speaker 4: We still kind of share quite a bit of it,
Speaker 4: certainly when there's my wife has worked from home for
Speaker 4: a long time, but there's still I mean, it's sort
Speaker 4: of at the end of the day, she like handles dinner.
Speaker 3: For the most part.
Speaker 4: We both enjoy cooking a lot, but she handles dinner
Speaker 4: probably like five four or five nights a week. But
Speaker 4: whatever needs to get done, she's definitely better at I
Speaker 4: am at staying organized and having like a list of
Speaker 4: things to do, which really helps me a lot of
Speaker 4: the time because it's like, just this past week, we
Speaker 4: were both feeling super overwhelmed with the amount of stuff
Speaker 4: that needed to get done, the laundry pile that we
Speaker 4: hadn't even touched in three days, to like the tabs
Speaker 4: in the car were expired, and like all the stuff,
Speaker 4: which is like, when that happens, it's hard for me
Speaker 4: to focus on like one thing because I get overwhelmed
Speaker 4: with everything.
Speaker 1: So she makes a list.
Speaker 4: It's ways start knocking it off. Just did that check,
Speaker 4: and it feels easier.
Speaker 1: And you're accomplished.
Speaker 4: When you're done, then it feels like, Okay, we did something,
Speaker 4: let's just start and then it just starts over every week.
Speaker 1: But odd question, a lot of times when the mom,
Speaker 1: like my kids just prefer me and Adam's a fucking
Speaker 1: amazing dad. And I don't know if it's because my
Speaker 1: kids are five and two and they're still really little,
Speaker 1: but when when they were home your kids. Did they
Speaker 1: prefer your wives over you, or you over your wives
Speaker 1: or have you just seen the phases go in and out.
Speaker 2: We're deep in a phase in my house right now.
Speaker 2: My daughter prefers me and my son prefers your wife.
Speaker 2: It's funny because they both go extremes. They're both very
Speaker 2: sweet too, both of us. But like my son, him
Speaker 2: and I will have a fun moment and I'll say
Speaker 2: I love you, buddy, and he goes, I love mom
Speaker 2: with all my heart more than anything in the world.
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, that's not what I said. Cool.
Speaker 2: And then my daughter she picks fights with my wife,
Speaker 2: and it's just kind of like, oh, this is that
Speaker 2: weird feeling. Mother, daughter, I feel safe with you, so
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just dump on you all day.
Speaker 1: How old is she.
Speaker 3: She's about to turn seven.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm interested for that section. Right now, my two
Speaker 1: year old daughter is just a barnacle trying to like
Speaker 1: crawl back up inside me. And if daddy comes, she's
Speaker 1: just mommy, mommy, mommy.
Speaker 2: That's what my son is for my wife right now,
Speaker 2: just all over her all day.
Speaker 1: What about you?
Speaker 3: We m My son is eight. He definitely loves both
Speaker 3: of us.
Speaker 4: He definitely does the thing when if he needs something,
Speaker 4: he'll go ask mommy. She's like on a call for
Speaker 4: work and I'm like sitting in the room and he'll
Speaker 4: be like can I have something to eat? Or her
Speaker 4: It's like I'm sitting right here, like why not?
Speaker 1: Does she? Does he do that? Because you're more of
Speaker 1: the no person, there's more chances that she'll say yes,
Speaker 1: or does she go to her to get her attention?
Speaker 3: No, I'm just like, you don't talk to me until
Speaker 3: after five pm? Okay, you get the no. No, I
Speaker 3: mean not at all, not at all. I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just like I think she's just the
Speaker 3: default parent. Definitely with my daughter. My daughter is four.
Speaker 4: When I come out in the morning, my kids still
Speaker 4: my kids wake up early. And when I come out
Speaker 4: in the morning, like I say good morning to her
Speaker 4: and it's furrowed brow, like why are you addressing me?
Speaker 3: As well?
Speaker 1: My daughter screaming her head off if he's like taking her,
Speaker 1: which sucks because Adam is he's so involved and he
Speaker 1: would he does bath and he does dinner and he
Speaker 1: does all that stuff. But he takes her. And if
Speaker 1: I'm in the house, and I'm not doing it. She's
Speaker 1: so pissed, and I feel like he can sit through
Speaker 1: her crying and not have an emotional attachment in it.
Speaker 1: I cannot.
Speaker 4: The other night, my wife went with her friend to
Speaker 4: like a show, and so I took my son and
Speaker 4: my daughter to his orthodontist appointment, and then my wife
Speaker 4: left like in the mid like we had we needed
Speaker 4: to all go because she was going to leave shortly
Speaker 4: after we left. So it was like me and the
Speaker 4: kids for the night, and we are going home, and
Speaker 4: it was like about dinner time, but it's like one
Speaker 4: of those nights, like, hey, mommy's going Mommy won't be
Speaker 4: home tonight.
Speaker 3: What do you guys want to do?
Speaker 4: Let's order some food together and then we can watch
Speaker 4: a movie or something. Yeah, And from the backseat, my
Speaker 4: daughter's like, where are you going to be tonight at dinner?
Speaker 4: And I was like, what do you mean? She goes,
Speaker 4: where's mommy? And I was like, well, mommy's with a friend,
Speaker 4: so it'll be the three of us tonight for dinner.
Speaker 3: And she goes, where are you going to be for dinner?
Speaker 4: And I was like, I'm going to be home with
Speaker 4: you guys, and then it was like really quiet, and
Speaker 4: I was like, are you okay? She didn't say anything.
Speaker 4: I was like, are you upset? She's like yes, And
Speaker 4: I go tell me why you're upset? She goes, because
Speaker 4: I don't like you.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, yep, that's Adam's life. Sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's just like it's so funny because it's
Speaker 4: like you don't mean that, but it hurts a lot.
Speaker 1: You know what though all that gentle parenting, she feels
Speaker 1: so safe with you that she can tell you exactly
Speaker 1: how she feels.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, very quickly, and I don't want to take
Speaker 1: up too much of your time. Can you guys even
Speaker 1: remember back from your perspective if you had them, was
Speaker 1: there one registry item from your baby showers that you
Speaker 1: got or when you were or when they were young
Speaker 1: that you could not have lived without?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Man, like cycling through all the stuff that we no
Speaker 2: longer have, I know, well, all the stuff that we
Speaker 2: doesn't work where we got rid of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you guys kick it off?
Speaker 1: I loved the Merlin sleep suit. We use the ship
Speaker 1: out of the Merlin.
Speaker 3: I'd say the the Ergo carrier.
Speaker 1: Or it goes in amazing care.
Speaker 2: I loved how insanely just like suction to your body.
Speaker 2: That would make the kids and they would pass right out.
Speaker 1: You also have star sleepers. So you've heard it here
Speaker 1: from Kevin on dumb Dad. Somebody needs to get him
Speaker 1: a deal with Ergo and Merlin's children thing for two
Speaker 1: fucking four hour and at day or something.
Speaker 2: I don't want them to sleep two hours in an
Speaker 2: airgo because like, my shirt's already wet enough.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, horrible, so much sweat and what about you
Speaker 1: can you remember?
Speaker 4: I think, Oh man, I'm trying to think of what
Speaker 4: was like absolute staple stuff.
Speaker 3: That we use. What's the what's the chair where they
Speaker 3: just bounce.
Speaker 1: Back in the Yeah, that's the baby Bjorn chair born
Speaker 1: But that was the best. I love that chair. I
Speaker 1: put them in there to shower.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say that was when you needed
Speaker 4: five minutes or yes, they you just didn't. You could
Speaker 4: hold them all day long, but that was a pretty
Speaker 4: comfortable place to put them for a minute and they
Speaker 4: could just like bounce back and forth. It was like
Speaker 4: a pretty clutch one. Some of these things seem so silly,
Speaker 4: but they just you're they're so essential. When you're I
Speaker 4: don't say your wits end, but when you're just like
Speaker 4: overwhelmed with the day of like again, activity to activity,
Speaker 4: trying to kill the day off. But with the newborns,
Speaker 4: like the little kid, the little little babies, it's like
Speaker 4: hard to like, Okay, what do we do now? There's
Speaker 4: only feels like there's only so many things you can
Speaker 4: do before you're just cycling back and forth through the
Speaker 4: four things.
Speaker 1: That you do now you have the boppy, the this,
Speaker 1: the urgo, the that. Yeah, you need all those things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, before nap and or clean up? Yah.
Speaker 1: Last two questions, any advice you're giving to your kids
Speaker 1: as do either of do any of the four of
Speaker 1: them have a birthday coming up?
Speaker 3: Oh, my daughter's birthdays coming up?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: How old is she going to be?
Speaker 3: She's gonna be seven?
Speaker 1: Okay, what are what's the advice you would give your
Speaker 1: seven year old daughter.
Speaker 3: Right now? Relax on the attitude towards mom.
Speaker 2: No, we're we're we're in so many conversations right now,
Speaker 2: like this has been a very strange age.
Speaker 3: Death is getting talked about a lot. Yeah, sure, sure sure,
Speaker 3: gender is being talked about a lot.
Speaker 2: It's even something is so small, Like, my daughter loves
Speaker 2: to play handball, loves it.
Speaker 3: Comes home from school, can he wants to.
Speaker 2: Play handball and I won't play handball fifteen minutes and
Speaker 2: then she goes into his homework and then does handball more.
Speaker 3: She plays at school.
Speaker 2: She's the only girl that plays handball, and all the
Speaker 2: other girls make sure to let her know that they
Speaker 2: all think it's weird that she's playing handball with the boys.
Speaker 2: And so it's like hard to like walk this line
Speaker 2: of like don't let people shame you into who you're
Speaker 2: gonna be. She has a saying, I don't remember where
Speaker 2: we got it from, but don't yuck mym Yeah, And
Speaker 2: we do that a lot, which is great because then
Speaker 2: they'll call us out on that. The advice that we're
Speaker 2: just giving is like, be proud of.
Speaker 1: Who you are, love that what about you?
Speaker 3: Evan.
Speaker 4: I would tell my son and both my kids, I
Speaker 4: would tell them, like, don't rush out of being a kid.
Speaker 4: Like my son is just getting to the point where
Speaker 4: it's like why do you get to do this kind
Speaker 4: of stuff?
Speaker 3: And I don't and like these kinds of things, and I.
Speaker 4: Sometimes just remind him, like, because you're eight, be in
Speaker 4: love with being eight, because the longer life goes, there's
Speaker 4: more responsibility and the harder it's gonna feel. Don't rush
Speaker 4: out of being a kid. Just enjoy being a kid
Speaker 4: and the stuff you get to do as a kid.
Speaker 3: I will say this too. I pierced my ears when
Speaker 3: I was like nineteen or twenty something like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and ever since then, I wore earrings for a while,
Speaker 4: just liked the look of it, and then kind of stopped.
Speaker 4: And then ten years I've just worn a little silver
Speaker 4: hoop in like my left ear. Thought it looked cool,
Speaker 4: and then after a while, like I never even thought
Speaker 4: about it anymore.
Speaker 3: I've just never taken it out.
Speaker 4: Basically never even thought about it, to the point where
Speaker 4: my son, for his eighth birthday was like, ohn to
Speaker 4: pierce my ear. He's wanted to pierce one ear And
Speaker 4: I was like okay, And I had hesitation of him
Speaker 4: doing that. My wife kept going like why are you hesitating?
Speaker 4: And I was like I don't know why. It wasn't
Speaker 4: like I was worried about whose people were gonna do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had them. He got it pierced.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Does he love it?
Speaker 4: He loves it, absolutely loves it. We went together, we
Speaker 4: all went as a family. I held his hand because
Speaker 4: he was really nervous about it, of course, and then yeah,
Speaker 4: they're gonna put a hole in your body.
Speaker 3: It's gonna gets it.
Speaker 1: With a needle gun thing. Yeah, that is awesome.
Speaker 3: It was like my wife.
Speaker 4: The more and more we had conversations about it, I
Speaker 4: was like, I don't know what I'm I'm I'm probably
Speaker 4: doing this thing where I'm like protecting against what people
Speaker 4: are gonna say about him, and I don't want him
Speaker 4: to get his feelings hurt or something. But like the
Speaker 4: more I thought about that, I was like, that's that's
Speaker 4: I shouldn't be doing that. If he wants to explore
Speaker 4: who he wants to be and how he feels about
Speaker 4: things and how he wants to present himself, let's do
Speaker 4: that at a younger age so he can figure himself out.
Speaker 4: So now when I see him change it out and
Speaker 4: pick a different one or whatever he wants to wear
Speaker 4: to school, and like all of his friends, he's like,
Speaker 4: I see how happy he feels that he got to
Speaker 4: do it and how it makes him feel to change
Speaker 4: it out and go to school, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 4: my friends kept going around behind my ear to like
Speaker 4: check if it.
Speaker 3: Was real because they didn't believe it was real.
Speaker 1: So cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so then it was like, oh, that's so happy
Speaker 3: that he did it.
Speaker 1: Okay, finish this sentence and I'll let you go. Evan
Speaker 1: will start with you. Parenthood is.
Speaker 3: A circus of emotions.
Speaker 1: I love that we haven't had that yet, Okay, Kevin,
Speaker 1: parenthood is.
Speaker 2: Parenthood is the hardest reward you'll ever earn.
Speaker 1: Haven't had that yet either. Gentlemen, you are lovely and
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I know you in real life too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for a really.
Speaker 1: Good effect on Adam Shapiro, because he's the best, but
Speaker 1: he also.
Speaker 3: Is like we'll keep working on him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like work on him, guys, like work on him.
Speaker 1: I love him so much.
Speaker 3: Hey, listen, he's a fantastic guy. We learned a lot.
Speaker 1: We love he is a fantastic guy. Really glad you've
Speaker 1: all cross paths. Thank you so much for being on
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, such a huge fan and what a great resource.
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Speaker 3: So thank you, oh, thank you so much for having me. Awesome.
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