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Speaker 1: Welcome to Katie's Crib, a production of Shondaland Audio in

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Speaker 1: partnership with iHeartRadio. Your kids, did they prefer your wives

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Speaker 1: over you or you over your wives? Or have you

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Speaker 1: just seen the phases go in and out?

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Speaker 2: We're deep in a phase in my house right now.

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Speaker 2: My daughter prefers me and my son prefers your wife.

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Speaker 2: It's funny because they both go extremes. They're both very

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Speaker 2: sweet to both of us. But like my son, him

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Speaker 2: and I will have a fun moment and I'll say

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Speaker 2: I love you, buddy, and he goes, I love mom

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Speaker 2: with all my heart, more than anything in the world.

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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome back to Katie's Crib. Adam is very

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Speaker 1: excited about today's episode because we've got a couple guests

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Speaker 1: on today that Adam is a huge fan of and yes,

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Speaker 1: he's had playdates with them in the park. They all

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Speaker 1: have man crushes on each other and it's adorable. I

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Speaker 1: first met these incredible gentlemen actually doing moms splaining with

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Speaker 1: Kristen Bell, who was a guest on Katie's Crib season one.

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Speaker 1: I am talking about Kevin and Evan, who are best

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Speaker 1: known as the Dumb Dads, and if you're on TikTok

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Speaker 1: or you're a parent, I'm sure they pop up on

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Speaker 1: your for you page all the time. The two of

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Speaker 1: them are stay at home dad comedians behind the popular

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Speaker 1: Dumb Dad pod TikTok account. They're also the hosts of

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Speaker 1: the Dumb Dad Podcast, a show that's all about bringing

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Speaker 1: humor to the perils of parenting. Evan and Kevin have

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Speaker 1: been featured on Mom's Plaining, As I said with Kvel,

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Speaker 1: They've been on Ellen Today and Good Morning America for

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Speaker 1: their social media sketch comedy. They also make content for Bubble,

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Speaker 1: a channel on Ellen Tube. Kevin and Evan, what an

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Speaker 1: honor to spend some time with you today. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Katie's crib.

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Speaker 3: A. Hi.

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Speaker 1: I'm so pumped about this, saying Adam is such like

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Speaker 1: a fan. We just had him on I know, how

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Speaker 1: do you do?

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing. He had no energy for you guys.

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Speaker 1: That's Adam have a lot of energy. Actually, we both

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Speaker 1: don't have that much energy left for each other, so

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Speaker 1: I'm curious how it's going in your households. We've met

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Speaker 1: at a park, yes, before, my my son, isn't you? Yes?

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Speaker 1: But no, really, what I meant was, my husband is

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Speaker 1: so into you guys of the channel. He's a dumb

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Speaker 1: dad too, but not. I feel like you guys are way.

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Speaker 3: Dumber, way dummer like way so much.

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Speaker 1: We've crossed paths so many times. We were both guests

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Speaker 1: on Kristen Bell's Mom's blaming.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that's right.

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Speaker 1: You guys are paving the way when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the dad space.

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Speaker 2: It's funny you brought up Kristen because she said that

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Speaker 2: she was the first one to say that to us. Yeah, once,

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Speaker 2: and we were I was like, oh, maybe we should stop.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I should go back to bartending.

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Speaker 1: And Adam feels this way too, And I know my

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Speaker 1: brother is like my best friend too, and he's a

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Speaker 1: very involved dad. And I think, I think this is

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Speaker 1: going in a great trend, in a great way that

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Speaker 1: dads are way more involved and there are dads who

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Speaker 1: are the primary caretaker. Tell me first, how And I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry you have answered this question one million times, but

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Speaker 1: not for the Katie's crab body, and so here we

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Speaker 1: have it right, that's right. How did dumb dads come

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Speaker 1: to be? How did you meet? How did the idea happen?

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Speaker 4: Kevin and I met doing sketch comedy and you're both

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Speaker 4: to and so yeah, so we're doing sketch comedy like

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Speaker 4: live shows. And then fast forward we had kids, and

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Speaker 4: then in preparation for kids, like a lot of the

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Speaker 2: But the dad podcast, I will say the ones that

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Speaker 4: a conversation. That's where we'll start, and then we're both

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Speaker 1: That's an understatement. It did so well. You guys can

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Speaker 4: And that was awesome, and we thought, oh cool, that's crazy.

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Speaker 4: She put that in front of so many people. And

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Speaker 4: then next thing, you know, her people reached out to

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Speaker 3: Now we get to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but really, you're paving the way and I know

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Speaker 2: Is in our emails or dms where somebody who's like

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Speaker 2: some incredibly sweet and heartfelt messages of just being like

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Speaker 2: I felt really alone doing this. What I'm doing isn't

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Speaker 2: thank you guys for what you're doing. And that's that's

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Speaker 2: Where do make a joke.

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Speaker 1: It's affecting change. I mean we're over here the mom's

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Speaker 4: First, I guess I was just say also, we became

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Speaker 3: It sounded fun to us.

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Speaker 4: I think it was like, I really want to tackle

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Speaker 3: I couldn't do it. And it just it worked out.

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Speaker 2: At that time, I was bartending nights like really late,

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Speaker 1: What's the weirdest thing you've gotten? Like, what rude or

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to talk to her ever again, just

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Speaker 1: Why is it any of her business? And also what

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Speaker 3: You're not constant, constant.

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Speaker 3: It was just like, do I look that stupid dude?

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Speaker 3: Why should I do it? Mom's already knows there's so

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Speaker 4: Parenting is hard and you're gonna make mistakes all over

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Speaker 3: We talk about this every week on our podcast What's

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Speaker 4: a three day weekend or something like that, where you know,

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Speaker 4: like throws you off as parents. It always does that

440
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Speaker 4: to me, where it's like they don't go to school Monday,

441
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Speaker 4: so then the rest of the week, I feel like

442
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Speaker 4: it's a different day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, super confusing.

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Speaker 4: And I say that because he I was like, I can't.

445
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Speaker 4: I went to pick him up and I was like, dude,

446
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Speaker 4: I'm so sorry. He's like, it's okay.

447
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Speaker 3: There were a lot of kids in the office, a

448
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Speaker 3: lot of parents, did it.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people, yes, a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of them running behind it work though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably all soon. Yeah, okay, what about your

452
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Speaker 1: most epic proud moments oof parenting.

453
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Speaker 3: When we get to one, we'll let you know.

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Speaker 1: Come on, there's got to be some moment where you

455
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Speaker 1: were like, like my son said, this weekend, someone asked them,

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Speaker 1: how are you feeling about starting kindergarten in the fall,

457
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Speaker 1: and he said, well, I'm having two feelings at once.

458
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Speaker 1: I'm excited and I'm also very nervous. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, maybe you're not a sociopath. It's dumb, dad,

460
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Speaker 1: dad us.

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Speaker 3: Sorry for the interruption. I just wanted to hey, pal

462
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Speaker 3: to give Katie the better mug the dumb for listeners.

463
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Speaker 1: Adam was on the Dumb Dad Podcast. So by the

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Speaker 1: time that this episode of Katie's Crib comes out, you

465
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Speaker 1: will also be able to go to Dumb Dad's podcast

466
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Speaker 1: and listen to Adam is a guest, but also listen

467
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Speaker 1: to the Dumb Dad's podcast. It's fucking hilarious. But unlike

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Speaker 1: Katie's Crib, which we got to work on our merch,

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Speaker 1: anyone listening to podcast, the Dumb Dad Podcast has a

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Speaker 1: sick ass mug that I will now be consuming this

471
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Speaker 1: podcast record. They say hi, and by okay, epic proud, you.

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Speaker 2: Have a very recent one, and then I'll say my

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Speaker 2: old one that I've told before. But from my daughter,

474
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Speaker 2: this was a few years ago. She there was one

475
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Speaker 2: night she wasn't going to bed, and you know how

476
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Speaker 2: that is where we got a gentle parent, our way

477
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Speaker 2: through it.

478
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Speaker 3: Whatever. Man, my parents had it so easy where they could.

479
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Speaker 1: Just scream the door.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to scream.

481
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Speaker 2: And shut the door. You hear their heavy you hear

482
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Speaker 2: their heavy footsteps, and you pretend you're sleeping.

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Speaker 3: Those were the days.

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Speaker 2: No anyway, I'm trying to tend a parent or get

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Speaker 2: her to bed, and then you don want to sleep.

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Speaker 3: We gotta go to bed.

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Speaker 2: She won't, and she's not even like going into a room.

488
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Speaker 2: She's just like planted in the hallway or the living room.

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Speaker 2: And I was just like, hey, do I need to

490
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Speaker 2: pick you up and carry you to bed? And she said, no, Daddy,

491
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Speaker 2: you can't pick me up because it's my body and

492
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Speaker 2: I choose what I do with it.

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Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, well done. That's still what we

494
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Speaker 1: are doing is so much harder. Yeah, it's impossible.

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Speaker 3: I love that story because it is empowering to you

496
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Speaker 3: as parents teaching her the right the right things, but

497
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Speaker 3: also like, how dare you use my knowledge against me?

498
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Speaker 3: It's like, oh, oh yeah, my.

499
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Speaker 1: Son does that all the time. I love gentle bearding,

500
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Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. Ye yeah, wonderful. But sometimes I'm like,

501
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: this is sometimes it just bites us like bad, Like it's.

502
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Speaker 3: Just we're hardwired to snap, or we're just tired or whatever.

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Speaker 2: And a lot of times it'll take me a while

504
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Speaker 2: to accomplish something with my my Todd. You know, my son,

505
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Speaker 2: he's just turned four, So I have difficult moments with him,

506
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Speaker 2: and then when I really pull back and get down

507
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Speaker 2: on his level and then talk to him. It doesn't always,

508
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 2: but it almost always works, and you're just like, I

509
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Speaker 2: should have done this out the gate. They had something

510
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 2: kicked it off wrong, so you were already in a

511
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Speaker 2: bad mood.

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Speaker 1: Interested, what about you? Evan epic dad wins.

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Speaker 4: It's funny, like I don't really have like anything that's

514
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 4: coming to mind, like a specific moment, But I will

515
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Speaker 4: say there's moments where I feel proud as a parent.

516
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Speaker 4: When my son, he's eight, he's like me as a kid,

517
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Speaker 4: and even as an adult, he wears his emotions on

518
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Speaker 4: his sleeve. He's not afraid to show his emotions. I'm

519
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 4: prideful of that where he'll acknowledge, oh, man, something happened

520
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 4: at school today that made me cry and it made

521
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 4: me feel sad, or he won't be afraid to say like,

522
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Speaker 4: I'm feeling really sad right now, or I'm feeling here's

523
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Speaker 4: a gentle parenting word, I'm feeling big feelings right now.

524
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Speaker 4: But the idea that we're teaching our children to acknowledge

525
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Speaker 4: that it's okay to feel big feelings and then talk

526
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Speaker 4: those out is like such a healthy way to go

527
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Speaker 4: through life. And I wish I knew that. As I mean,

528
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Speaker 4: I'm sure we all to a certain extent. Wish we

529
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Speaker 4: knew that as kids, and so I'm prideful of that

530
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Speaker 4: as a parent that hopefully we will be able to

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Speaker 4: continue to have those open conversations where they're chill.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, if we're still doing these podcasts when

533
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: we check in at thirteen, I'm like, so curious because

534
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Speaker 1: you guys are so full own to me, like, wow,

535
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Speaker 1: this is gonna go. I love that.

536
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Speaker 2: Just going back to the general parenting thing though, like

537
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Speaker 2: that kind of resonated with me. I'm as most of

538
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Speaker 2: us parents are. I'm an emotional wreck all of the time,

539
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Speaker 2: especially lately. Everything makes me cry or want to cry

540
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Speaker 2: or hold back tears. We took a red eye the

541
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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, and we got on the

542
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Speaker 2: plane and my daughter was so excited. She'd been on

543
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Speaker 2: a plane, but not since before the pandemic. She doesn't

544
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Speaker 2: remember it at all, so she was so excited, and

545
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Speaker 2: I was explaining everything to her, and I was like,

546
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Speaker 2: we're gonna be going hundreds of miles per hour and

547
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Speaker 2: then we're gonna take off, and then she was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: that's cool, and then what and then what are we

549
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Speaker 2: gonna be like right next to the clouds? I was like,

550
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Speaker 2: we're gonna go above the clouds, so we're gonna go

551
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Speaker 2: through them, and then we'll be above the clouds for

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Speaker 2: a little while. No, it's dark out, so we probably

553
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Speaker 2: won't see it until we fly back in a few days.

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Speaker 2: And then she turns around says to my wife whose

555
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: mother passed away before they were born, and said to them, hey, mom,

556
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Speaker 2: make sure to look for nanny and the clouds.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

558
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Speaker 2: Nobody was doing well after that.

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Speaker 1: That's a game over.

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Speaker 3: That's a that was tough.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, luckily the first couple of years, you're dealing

562
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Speaker 2: with a very small child that yelling doesn't ever make sense.

563
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Speaker 3: Because they're just infants or whatever. That's not true.

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Speaker 2: Yelling into a pillow makes sense because you're so tired,

565
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Speaker 2: and get yourself a screen pillow. You need a scream,

566
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Speaker 2: won't stop crying. All that stuff that's different. Those was

567
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Speaker 2: the best advice my mom gave you, which was like

568
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Speaker 2: funny to hear when they open up to you. My

569
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Speaker 2: mom was just like, I will just say the best

570
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Speaker 2: advice I can give you is don't be afraid to

571
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Speaker 2: put the child down and leave the room. I was like, oh,

572
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Speaker 2: that's a weird thing to say and then cut to

573
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Speaker 2: like six months later. I did that because I needed to.

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Speaker 1: Was there ever a time you two haven't been on

575
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Speaker 1: the same page. I know your kids play like all

576
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Speaker 1: the time, and you're like essentially raising them altogether. But like,

577
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Speaker 1: is one of you more strict or one of you

578
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: more laid back, or one of you more anxious. Everyone

579
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: has such different parenting styles and techniques, and some are

580
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: like very crazy about like table manners and pleases and

581
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: thank yous, and some are just like my kids are

582
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: just feral. And that's just one example. But had to

583
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Speaker 1: have the two of you ever disagreed.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, Evan, I feel so uncomfortable.

585
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Speaker 1: I don't think so has one of you, because Kevin

586
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Speaker 1: Ever yelled at one of your kids and you were like, well,

587
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: that's crossing the line. That's actually not how we do this.

588
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: In my house, I make.

589
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Speaker 2: Sure that Evan's not around. I usually scariest kids when

590
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Speaker 2: leaves them.

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Speaker 1: Because like in the girlfriends, It'll be like if the

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Speaker 1: kids all come into my house, let's say there swimming

593
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Speaker 1: right at four o'clock or something, and I'm like, everybody

594
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: for popsicles, and then I like, look and some of

595
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: the moms are like, we don't do sugar this close

596
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Speaker 1: to dinner time, and I'm like, oh wow, I don't

597
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Speaker 1: give a fuck. And then some of the others are like,

598
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: this is a huge sticking point for me, like I

599
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: will make sure that they're totally hungry, like empties. Any

600
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: sort of thing like a popsicle would not even be

601
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Speaker 1: thought of until after six thirty, if at all. So

602
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: that is not what you guys have now.

603
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: And we're pretty aligned with the most stuff. I think

604
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: there was one time I did surprise Evan because my

605
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: wife and I will not do not that even one

606
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: was coming up. There was just a random conversation, we

607
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: are we're never gonna do sleepovers. That was that's the

608
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: one I was going to bring up. That's that That

609
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: one surprised Evan. But there's just so many cases of

610
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: sexual assault with sleepovers.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, you're actually scaring the shit out of me

612
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: right now.

613
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Speaker 2: Sometimes it's like, yes, it's a predatory adult. But then

614
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: sometimes it's just your brother kids.

615
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 3: Just being curious, not oh.

616
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're like let me see yours and mine

617
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Speaker 2: and whatever, and that's like whatever. Then later there's trauma

618
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: with that and there's just a lot of different ways

619
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Speaker 2: that stuff happens.

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Speaker 1: How are you what's your plan to mitigate this? Anyone's

621
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Speaker 1: allowed to sleep over your house or not even that?

622
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Speaker 3: Not at all?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, we won't do any sleep but if we

624
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Speaker 2: did a sleepover, they'll be sleeping in the same rooms

625
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Speaker 2: at that any at all. But no, we wouldn't because

626
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Speaker 2: that's like, all right, guys go to bed. What are

627
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Speaker 2: we gonna do hover there until they sleep? Like obviously

628
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: kids stay.

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Speaker 1: Up, but they can have sleepovers with Evans kids or

630
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Speaker 1: no sleepovers is the rule.

631
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Speaker 3: No, we're not going to do any of it.

632
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Speaker 1: Wow, that's incredible. I am always so fascinated when people

633
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: just know, know within themselves that this is a line

634
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Speaker 1: that they have set and that is it. Like, I

635
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: think that's great.

636
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Speaker 4: It's not like I fully disagree with that at all.

637
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 4: If anything, it caught me off guard when we were

638
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 4: talking about it that night, because it was like, I

639
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 4: don't remember why. It was like some one of our

640
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 4: kids got invited or it was like, oh maybe we

641
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 4: could do that, and they were like, oh, we don't

642
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 4: think we want to do that, and I was like really,

643
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 4: and it just I think it probably took me my

644
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 4: surprise because I had sleepover as as a kid, and

645
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 4: I always had a positive experience, so I think of

646
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 4: it as like a fun thing, but I never thought

647
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 4: of it from that perspective. Our two families are all

648
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 4: very close. We have very similar parenting styles. We're not

649
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 4: afraid to like parent each other's kids if we noticed

650
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 4: them doing something they shouldn't do, We're comfortable with that. Yeah,

651
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 4: But that was the thing that was like I probably

652
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 4: disagreed with at the time, not knowing like maybe even

653
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Speaker 4: why I was disagreeing with it, because I hadn't even

654
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 4: thought of that perspective before. And then once you said that,

655
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 4: I was like, wow, that makes actually a lot of

656
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 4: sense to me. That it was like, is if I

657
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 4: never had sleepovers as a kid, would that really like

658
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 4: change me as a person now?

659
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 3: Probably not, So then why maybe take that risk? Or

660
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 3: yeah it doesn't.

661
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't feel like we're are going to be

662
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: disadvantaging our kids because every Thursday, for instance, Evanen's family

663
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: come over, we go live for the dumb dads for

664
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: like an hour on our social platforms, and then we

665
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 2: all sit down and have dinner to Yeah, that whole

666
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: time the kids are.

667
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 3: Playing the whole time, and then they're up always past

668
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 3: their best, of course they are.

669
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: And then Evanen's family goes home and our kids go

670
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: right to bed, and it's like they're not missing out

671
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: on anything. If it was asleepover, the only difference is

672
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: they'd sleep in the same room and something could go.

673
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 4: They wouldn't because they'd be goofing off and they'd be

674
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 4: going in there, going, please go to sleep.

675
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

676
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: I think parenting changes a lot once you get some

677
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: and whoever the stay at home person is, if that

678
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: is what your family dynamic looks like like, I think

679
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: once they go to school it's a lot better. But

680
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: do you remember the days before they were in school?

681
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: For those who are listening, who are there, did you

682
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: nap while they napped? Did you scroll your phone? Did

683
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: you meditate? Did you like take showers at the end

684
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: of every day? What did you do?

685
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 3: I was very lucky with my Honor.

686
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: She was a great sleeper and she would take two

687
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: naps a day. For a long time, she was taking

688
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: two naps a day and they were like two to

689
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: three hours each.

690
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: Wow.

691
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 3: Both of his kids sleep so well.

692
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 4: And I've always slept I've been jealous of them for

693
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 4: so long for this.

694
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 3: And that's the real reason I want sleepover. You kids

695
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 3: are gonna mess.

696
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: Up my kids sleep, like find out they get Yeah.

697
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: No, but I would do one nap for myself and

698
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: I would do one nap, get stuff done like cleaning, laundry,

699
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: stuff like that.

700
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 3: So I would make sure.

701
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: So if you only your kid only did one nap,

702
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: set a time, you know, you know, for the most part,

703
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: how long they nap for, I'd say take half of

704
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 2: that time.

705
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't have to do it every day.

706
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: I would have it like do whatever I want, watch

707
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: a show, play video game, watch watch a.

708
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 3: Program, but put on an a motion picture.

709
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: It's just hard when they're that young. And communication is

710
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: the biggest thing. It's your partner. Communicating your needs is

711
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: the most important thing. My wife is an incredible partner

712
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 2: and so helpful and often checks in with me.

713
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: I love hearing that.

714
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's really great. And she often finds time,

715
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,479
Speaker 2: you know, tries to get time for me most every morning.

716
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: Now she kind of takes control because I'll get up

717
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: with her. She gets up a little earlier, she gets

718
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 2: up a five and I'll get up around six before

719
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 2: the kids hopefully are up, and then try to get

720
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: stuff done. Once the kids get up, she will take

721
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: over and do breakfast and stuff, so I can do

722
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: time to myself or get work done like dumb dad stuff.

723
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: And that's really great. But I really can't express enough

724
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 2: like sometimes relationships are good need to be uncomfortable because

725
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 2: you have to tell them if something's bothering you so

726
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: it doesn't bottle up or whatever. And that's the best

727
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 2: thing that can help you, especially if you are the

728
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 2: default parent.

729
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 3: I think we do the same thing.

730
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 4: I probably try to hide it more, but I don't

731
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 4: do it good enough job because my wife will be like,

732
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 4: do you need to do you need to go.

733
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 3: Somewhere a moment?

734
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you're like, no, I'm fine, I'm fine, and.

735
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: Then I'll then I'll be like you they need to

736
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 2: go somewhere to go to the bathroom because your face

737
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: is real weird.

738
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 3: Yeah are you sweating? Where are you sweating?

739
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: What did you do in the early because your face

740
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: was going like coh shit, My kids never napped. What

741
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: did you do for breaks and to take care of

742
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 1: your sanity?

743
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 4: I would do I would try to nap when they napped,

744
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 4: my kids took naps, but there was never like a

745
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 4: healthy schedule of three and a half hour naps or

746
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 4: whatever that Kevin would get.

747
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 3: Just like how in the world times full?

748
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 4: So you know, I would try to nap when I

749
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 4: when they were definitely younger, and it was and again

750
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 4: like going back to like the half working in bar

751
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 4: schedule and like being a zombie for the first four

752
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 4: hours of the day and just needing like twenty minutes

753
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 4: or something wouldn't really help. Sharing responsibilities later in the

754
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 4: day with my wife.

755
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: How do you do? How do you split up chores

756
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: in your household? Was it always like, Okay, if I'm

757
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: a stay at home parent and I'm were you running everything?

758
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: It's like not only the kids' lives and the kids' schedules,

759
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: but are you also running laundry, putting dinner out, packing lunches?

760
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: Is that all on you as well? Or do your

761
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 1: wives pick that up? Pick up some of it.

762
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 4: We still kind of share quite a bit of it,

763
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 4: certainly when there's my wife has worked from home for

764
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 4: a long time, but there's still I mean, it's sort

765
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 4: of at the end of the day, she like handles dinner.

766
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 3: For the most part.

767
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 4: We both enjoy cooking a lot, but she handles dinner

768
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 4: probably like five four or five nights a week. But

769
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 4: whatever needs to get done, she's definitely better at I

770
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 4: am at staying organized and having like a list of

771
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 4: things to do, which really helps me a lot of

772
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 4: the time because it's like, just this past week, we

773
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 4: were both feeling super overwhelmed with the amount of stuff

774
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 4: that needed to get done, the laundry pile that we

775
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 4: hadn't even touched in three days, to like the tabs

776
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 4: in the car were expired, and like all the stuff,

777
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 4: which is like, when that happens, it's hard for me

778
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 4: to focus on like one thing because I get overwhelmed

779
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 4: with everything.

780
00:36:58,600 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: So she makes a list.

781
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 4: It's ways start knocking it off. Just did that check,

782
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 4: and it feels easier.

783
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: And you're accomplished.

784
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 4: When you're done, then it feels like, Okay, we did something,

785
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 4: let's just start and then it just starts over every week.

786
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: But odd question, a lot of times when the mom,

787
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: like my kids just prefer me and Adam's a fucking

788
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: amazing dad. And I don't know if it's because my

789
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: kids are five and two and they're still really little,

790
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: but when when they were home your kids. Did they

791
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: prefer your wives over you, or you over your wives

792
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: or have you just seen the phases go in and out.

793
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 2: We're deep in a phase in my house right now.

794
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: My daughter prefers me and my son prefers your wife.

795
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: It's funny because they both go extremes. They're both very

796
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 2: sweet too, both of us. But like my son, him

797
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: and I will have a fun moment and I'll say

798
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 2: I love you, buddy, and he goes, I love mom

799
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 2: with all my heart more than anything in the world.

800
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, that's not what I said. Cool.

801
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: And then my daughter she picks fights with my wife,

802
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 2: and it's just kind of like, oh, this is that

803
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 2: weird feeling. Mother, daughter, I feel safe with you, so

804
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just dump on you all day.

805
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: How old is she.

806
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 3: She's about to turn seven.

807
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm interested for that section. Right now, my two

808
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: year old daughter is just a barnacle trying to like

809
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 1: crawl back up inside me. And if daddy comes, she's

810
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 1: just mommy, mommy, mommy.

811
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: That's what my son is for my wife right now,

812
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: just all over her all day.

813
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: What about you?

814
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 3: We m My son is eight. He definitely loves both

815
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 3: of us.

816
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 4: He definitely does the thing when if he needs something,

817
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 4: he'll go ask mommy. She's like on a call for

818
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 4: work and I'm like sitting in the room and he'll

819
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,240
Speaker 4: be like can I have something to eat? Or her

820
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 4: It's like I'm sitting right here, like why not?

821
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: Does she? Does he do that? Because you're more of

822
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: the no person, there's more chances that she'll say yes,

823
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: or does she go to her to get her attention?

824
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: No, I'm just like, you don't talk to me until

825
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 3: after five pm? Okay, you get the no. No, I

826
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 3: mean not at all, not at all. I don't know why.

827
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just like I think she's just the

828
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 3: default parent. Definitely with my daughter. My daughter is four.

829
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 4: When I come out in the morning, my kids still

830
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 4: my kids wake up early. And when I come out

831
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 4: in the morning, like I say good morning to her

832
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 4: and it's furrowed brow, like why are you addressing me?

833
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 3: As well?

834
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: My daughter screaming her head off if he's like taking her,

835
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: which sucks because Adam is he's so involved and he

836
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: would he does bath and he does dinner and he

837
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: does all that stuff. But he takes her. And if

838
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: I'm in the house, and I'm not doing it. She's

839
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: so pissed, and I feel like he can sit through

840
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: her crying and not have an emotional attachment in it.

841
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: I cannot.

842
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 4: The other night, my wife went with her friend to

843
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 4: like a show, and so I took my son and

844
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 4: my daughter to his orthodontist appointment, and then my wife

845
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 4: left like in the mid like we had we needed

846
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 4: to all go because she was going to leave shortly

847
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 4: after we left. So it was like me and the

848
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 4: kids for the night, and we are going home, and

849
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 4: it was like about dinner time, but it's like one

850
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 4: of those nights, like, hey, mommy's going Mommy won't be

851
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 4: home tonight.

852
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 3: What do you guys want to do?

853
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 4: Let's order some food together and then we can watch

854
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 4: a movie or something. Yeah, And from the backseat, my

855
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 4: daughter's like, where are you going to be tonight at dinner?

856
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 4: And I was like, what do you mean? She goes,

857
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 4: where's mommy? And I was like, well, mommy's with a friend,

858
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 4: so it'll be the three of us tonight for dinner.

859
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 3: And she goes, where are you going to be for dinner?

860
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 4: And I was like, I'm going to be home with

861
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 4: you guys, and then it was like really quiet, and

862
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 4: I was like, are you okay? She didn't say anything.

863
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 4: I was like, are you upset? She's like yes, And

864
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 4: I go tell me why you're upset? She goes, because

865
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 4: I don't like you.

866
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, yep, that's Adam's life. Sure.

867
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's just like it's so funny because it's

868
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 4: like you don't mean that, but it hurts a lot.

869
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: You know what though all that gentle parenting, she feels

870
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: so safe with you that she can tell you exactly

871
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 1: how she feels.

872
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 3: That's true.

873
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, very quickly, and I don't want to take

874
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: up too much of your time. Can you guys even

875
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: remember back from your perspective if you had them, was

876
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: there one registry item from your baby showers that you

877
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: got or when you were or when they were young

878
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: that you could not have lived without?

879
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 3: Oh?

880
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 2: Man, like cycling through all the stuff that we no

881
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: longer have, I know, well, all the stuff that we

882
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: doesn't work where we got rid of.

883
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you guys kick it off?

884
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 1: I loved the Merlin sleep suit. We use the ship

885
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 1: out of the Merlin.

886
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 3: I'd say the the Ergo carrier.

887
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: Or it goes in amazing care.

888
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 2: I loved how insanely just like suction to your body.

889
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 2: That would make the kids and they would pass right out.

890
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: You also have star sleepers. So you've heard it here

891
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: from Kevin on dumb Dad. Somebody needs to get him

892
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: a deal with Ergo and Merlin's children thing for two

893
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 1: fucking four hour and at day or something.

894
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: I don't want them to sleep two hours in an

895
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: airgo because like, my shirt's already wet enough.

896
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 1: No, yeah, horrible, so much sweat and what about you

897
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: can you remember?

898
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 4: I think, Oh man, I'm trying to think of what

899
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 4: was like absolute staple stuff.

900
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 3: That we use. What's the what's the chair where they

901
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 3: just bounce.

902
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: Back in the Yeah, that's the baby Bjorn chair born

903
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: But that was the best. I love that chair. I

904
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: put them in there to shower.

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00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say that was when you needed

906
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 4: five minutes or yes, they you just didn't. You could

907
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 4: hold them all day long, but that was a pretty

908
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 4: comfortable place to put them for a minute and they

909
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 4: could just like bounce back and forth. It was like

910
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 4: a pretty clutch one. Some of these things seem so silly,

911
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 4: but they just you're they're so essential. When you're I

912
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 4: don't say your wits end, but when you're just like

913
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 4: overwhelmed with the day of like again, activity to activity,

914
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 4: trying to kill the day off. But with the newborns,

915
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 4: like the little kid, the little little babies, it's like

916
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 4: hard to like, Okay, what do we do now? There's

917
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 4: only feels like there's only so many things you can

918
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 4: do before you're just cycling back and forth through the

919
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 4: four things.

920
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: That you do now you have the boppy, the this,

921
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: the urgo, the that. Yeah, you need all those things.

922
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, before nap and or clean up? Yah.

923
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 1: Last two questions, any advice you're giving to your kids

924
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: as do either of do any of the four of

925
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: them have a birthday coming up?

926
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 3: Oh, my daughter's birthdays coming up?

927
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 4: Yeah?

928
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: How old is she going to be?

929
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 3: She's gonna be seven?

930
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: Okay, what are what's the advice you would give your

931
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: seven year old daughter.

932
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 3: Right now? Relax on the attitude towards mom.

933
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: No, we're we're we're in so many conversations right now,

934
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: like this has been a very strange age.

935
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 3: Death is getting talked about a lot. Yeah, sure, sure sure,

936
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 3: gender is being talked about a lot.

937
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: It's even something is so small, Like, my daughter loves

938
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 2: to play handball, loves it.

939
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 3: Comes home from school, can he wants to.

940
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: Play handball and I won't play handball fifteen minutes and

941
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: then she goes into his homework and then does handball more.

942
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 3: She plays at school.

943
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: She's the only girl that plays handball, and all the

944
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: other girls make sure to let her know that they

945
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: all think it's weird that she's playing handball with the boys.

946
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: And so it's like hard to like walk this line

947
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 2: of like don't let people shame you into who you're

948
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 2: gonna be. She has a saying, I don't remember where

949
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 2: we got it from, but don't yuck mym Yeah, And

950
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: we do that a lot, which is great because then

951
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: they'll call us out on that. The advice that we're

952
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 2: just giving is like, be proud of.

953
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: Who you are, love that what about you?

954
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 3: Evan.

955
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 4: I would tell my son and both my kids, I

956
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 4: would tell them, like, don't rush out of being a kid.

957
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 4: Like my son is just getting to the point where

958
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 4: it's like why do you get to do this kind

959
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 4: of stuff?

960
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 3: And I don't and like these kinds of things, and I.

961
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 4: Sometimes just remind him, like, because you're eight, be in

962
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 4: love with being eight, because the longer life goes, there's

963
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 4: more responsibility and the harder it's gonna feel. Don't rush

964
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 4: out of being a kid. Just enjoy being a kid

965
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 4: and the stuff you get to do as a kid.

966
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 3: I will say this too. I pierced my ears when

967
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 3: I was like nineteen or twenty something like that.

968
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and ever since then, I wore earrings for a while,

969
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 4: just liked the look of it, and then kind of stopped.

970
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 4: And then ten years I've just worn a little silver

971
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 4: hoop in like my left ear. Thought it looked cool,

972
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 4: and then after a while, like I never even thought

973
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 4: about it anymore.

974
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 3: I've just never taken it out.

975
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 4: Basically never even thought about it, to the point where

976
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 4: my son, for his eighth birthday was like, ohn to

977
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 4: pierce my ear. He's wanted to pierce one ear And

978
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 4: I was like okay, And I had hesitation of him

979
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 4: doing that. My wife kept going like why are you hesitating?

980
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 4: And I was like I don't know why. It wasn't

981
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 4: like I was worried about whose people were gonna do.

982
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had them. He got it pierced.

983
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Does he love it?

984
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 4: He loves it, absolutely loves it. We went together, we

985
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,959
Speaker 4: all went as a family. I held his hand because

986
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 4: he was really nervous about it, of course, and then yeah,

987
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 4: they're gonna put a hole in your body.

988
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 3: It's gonna gets it.

989
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: With a needle gun thing. Yeah, that is awesome.

990
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 3: It was like my wife.

991
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 4: The more and more we had conversations about it, I

992
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 4: was like, I don't know what I'm I'm I'm probably

993
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 4: doing this thing where I'm like protecting against what people

994
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 4: are gonna say about him, and I don't want him

995
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 4: to get his feelings hurt or something. But like the

996
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 4: more I thought about that, I was like, that's that's

997
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 4: I shouldn't be doing that. If he wants to explore

998
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 4: who he wants to be and how he feels about

999
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 4: things and how he wants to present himself, let's do

1000
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 4: that at a younger age so he can figure himself out.

1001
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 4: So now when I see him change it out and

1002
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 4: pick a different one or whatever he wants to wear

1003
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 4: to school, and like all of his friends, he's like,

1004
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 4: I see how happy he feels that he got to

1005
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 4: do it and how it makes him feel to change

1006
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 4: it out and go to school, and he's like, oh,

1007
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 4: my friends kept going around behind my ear to like

1008
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 4: check if it.

1009
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 3: Was real because they didn't believe it was real.

1010
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: So cool.

1011
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, so then it was like, oh, that's so happy

1012
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 3: that he did it.

1013
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: Okay, finish this sentence and I'll let you go. Evan

1014
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: will start with you. Parenthood is.

1015
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 3: A circus of emotions.

1016
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: I love that we haven't had that yet, Okay, Kevin,

1017
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: parenthood is.

1018
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 2: Parenthood is the hardest reward you'll ever earn.

1019
00:47:53,320 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: Haven't had that yet either. Gentlemen, you are lovely and

1020
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I know you in real life too.

1021
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for a really.

1022
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: Good effect on Adam Shapiro, because he's the best, but

1023
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: he also.

1024
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 3: Is like we'll keep working on him.

1025
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, like work on him, guys, like work on him.

1026
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: I love him so much.

1027
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 3: Hey, listen, he's a fantastic guy. We learned a lot.

1028
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: We love he is a fantastic guy. Really glad you've

1029
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: all cross paths. Thank you so much for being on

1030
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: Katie's crib. Everybody listened to dumb Dad's podcast. Also, guys,

1031
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: tell us all the different arenas and areas we can

1032
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Speaker 1: find dumb Dad's material.

1033
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok.

1034
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 4: We are at the Dumb Dads for the Dumb Dads

1035
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 4: on YouTube, and we are currently rebuilding our LinkedIn but

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Speaker 4: that should be available pretty soon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, such a huge fan and what a great resource.

1039
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Speaker 1: And if anything, you learn a lot, but you laugh

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Speaker 1: a lot at everything you guys are putting out there.

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Speaker 3: So thank you, oh, thank you so much for having me. Awesome.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for listening to today's episode.

1043
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