1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Hi everybody. It's Saturday and I'm Chuck and that means 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: it's time for another Stuff you Should Know select. This 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: week I picked out How Sign Language Works. This is 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: a great one. It's from two thousand fourteen, February six 5 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: and I just remember at the time being fascinated with 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: sign language. I think that's why it was on the 7 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: list to begin with, and we learned quite a bit ourselves. 8 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: I know you will too, very fascinating. There's not just 9 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: one sign language everybody. There are many, many kinds, and 10 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: that's just one little prefect to give you before you 11 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: listen right now. So I hope you enjoy it How 12 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 1: Sign Language Works. Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from 13 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 14 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark with me as always as Charles W 15 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry and the three of us 16 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: together our Stuff you Should Know. Hey, buddy, he's going here. 17 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: Uh uh, it's going pretty good. I have to say 18 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: this was one of the better articles I've read in 19 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: recent memory. Wow. But Mr Jonathan Strickland, our nemesis at 20 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: tex Stuff, Yeah, he wrote a great article in Sign 21 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: Language arch nemesis who knew Yeah, I had no idea 22 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 1: that he knew anything. Yeah, it's like there's, uh, there's 23 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: nothing about the future of sign language, and here it's 24 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: just sign language. Yeah. And this is one of those 25 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: where I knew really not much about it and it 26 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: was just a delight to learn, you know. Yeah, and uh, 27 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: he basically just did American sign language. Yeah. I have 28 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: the impression that if he'd tried to expand it, it 29 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: would have really gotten unwieldy quick. So it's a good 30 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: editorial decision, good writing. Well, that's one of the things 31 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't even know that that there 32 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: are hundreds of sign languages. I kind of thought it 33 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: was all the same. But he makes a point even 34 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: that you may be better able to communicate with someone 35 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: speaking French sign language because that was the basis of 36 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: American sign language than to speak sign language if you're 37 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: American with someone speaking British sign language. Yeah, because it's 38 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: just different. Sharing a common spoken language with another country 39 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: does not mean there's nothing to do with it. There 40 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: that they share common sign language. No um. And that's 41 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: a really good point because it reveals that the death 42 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: community has over time just basically said we're gonna do 43 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: this ourselves. Yeah. And it even gets to the point 44 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: where regional dialects just like a regular spoken language. It 45 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: basically just is a regular language. The more I read it, 46 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: the morrow is like, this is just like speaking English 47 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: or speaking Southern English or Midwestern English. You know. Yeah, 48 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: And you know, depending on your community, the community you're 49 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: raised in, the type of house you're raised in, UM, 50 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: that's what will necessitate what kind of sign language you 51 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: learn or develop or whatever. Pretty cool, Yeah, it is, UM. 52 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: And Well let's talk about the history of this a 53 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: little bit first, So Chuck, you know, humans have a 54 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: long and storied history of mistreating groups that are different 55 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: from everybody else. It's what makes America great, not just America. 56 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: It goes back even for the humanity, the the deaf community, UM, 57 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: up until shamefully recently. UM, we're kind of one of 58 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: those groups that were just kind of mistreated. UM. The Torah, 59 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: for example, forbids deaf people from fully participating in some 60 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: of the rituals in the temple. UM. The ancient Greeks 61 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't allow deaf people to be educated. Uh. St Augustine. St. Augustine, 62 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: he's a saint. For goodness sake, he taught that deaf 63 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: people were evidence that God was angry at their parents. Wow. Yeah, 64 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: it wasn't until about the Renaissance that anybody finally took 65 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: a stab at educating deaf people. And they found pretty 66 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: quickly that oh, they just can't hear. That's the thing, right, 67 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: they can learn very quickly and uh, just like you 68 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: and me. So that kind of became the springboard once 69 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: people figured out that you can't educate deaf people to 70 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: them being included more into a normal society. Um, but 71 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: for a long time they were mistreated. Uh and as 72 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: a result, I think they kind of, um, well I'm 73 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: speculating here, but I think they kind of said, we're 74 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: going to handle this ourselves. Like I said, like, we're 75 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: going to develop our own language, take matters into our 76 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: own hands. Literally. Yeah, And um, that's where sign languages 77 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: started to come from. Just necessities the mother of inventions, 78 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: or you need to be able to communicate with people 79 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: around you. And so sign language developed in communities where 80 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: there were deaf people who were accepted and not just 81 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: kind of put to the side. Yeah, before it was 82 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: even uh, they were getting official with it. People were 83 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: using sign language right because they were like, well, I 84 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:59,799 Speaker 1: don't care if you're gonna make it some official language 85 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: or not. We need to talk to each other exactly. 86 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: We're gonna figure it out. And not only do they 87 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: need to talk to each other, they need to talk 88 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: to the community at large as well. And there's actually 89 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: this really cool story on Martha's Vineyard. There was up 90 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: to a quarter of the population when they moved over 91 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: here from England. Um they were an isolated population, so 92 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: um there they suffered what was called a founder's effect, 93 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: where the populations just kind of bottlenecked and these families intermarried, 94 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: but they didn't marry outside of their group, so deafness 95 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: was hereditary. Deafness was a trait that was passed along 96 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: the group. So up to a quarter one or four 97 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: people in this community were death right. As a result 98 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: of this community on Martha's Vineyard in the early eighteenth 99 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: century having up to a quarter of its population death 100 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: a specific type of sign language called Martha's Vineyard Sign 101 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: Language developed, and not only were the deaf in the 102 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: community proficient in everybody in the community was proficient in it, 103 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: and up in till nineteen fifty two, when the last 104 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: deaf Martha's Vineyard resident, Martha's Vineyard board resident died. That's 105 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: when it became extinct. So they were practicing it from 106 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: about seventeen hundred to nineteen fifty two. And apparently um 107 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: Oliver Sacks went and interviewed some of these people for 108 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: part of a book. Man, he's always on it, he is, 109 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: um and uh he's He reported that some of these elders, 110 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: these Martha's Vineyard elders, um reverted to sign language while 111 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: they were talking. And so they were coming in and 112 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: out of speech and sign language and apparently weren't even 113 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: aware that they were doing it. That's awesome, and they 114 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: were not deaf. That might be the fact of the 115 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: show Martha's Vineyard Sign Language. Yeah, it could be one 116 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: of them. I think there's a bunch in here, agreed. 117 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: Uh So, if we're talking about history, we have to 118 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: go back to the early eighteen hundreds, Uh, to a 119 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: dude named Thomas Hopkins Galladad and Um he was a 120 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: minister to the deaf, and he went to Europe because, 121 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: like we said, in France is where it's sort of 122 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: originated officially, and he wanted to learn some techniques on 123 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: how to teach this stuff. I met a guy name 124 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: Roche ambrose Q Curon Cicard who was in Abbe. He 125 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: it's a title, he's like a clergyman. Um. He was 126 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: a director of the School of the Deaf in Paris, 127 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: and he learned some stuff from him, and then plucked 128 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: one of his students, Laurence Clerk, and said, Hey, there's 129 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: big money in this, let's go start a school in 130 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: the United States. That probably wasn't his motivation, although you 131 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: never know, nothing wrong with making a little money by 132 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: starting a school. Uh. So they established the American School 133 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: for the Deaf in eighteen seventeen in uh Hotford, Connecticut, 134 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: and Um went on like they incorporated what they learned 135 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: in France with what was already going on in the 136 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: United States, right, which is why, like you said, Um, 137 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: if you were an American sign language speaker and you 138 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: go to France and you're speaking with a French sign 139 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: language speaker, you'll probably be successful because American sign language 140 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: is partially rooted in French side language. Yeah, more so 141 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: than like going to England. This sounds so weird to 142 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: think about, yeah, Um, And they ended up founding as well. 143 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: Gallaudet University in d C. Go Bison's, is that right. Yeah, 144 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,239 Speaker 1: they get a football team. I played for the Beverly 145 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:22,119 Speaker 1: Bisons in elementary school. Really I'm a Bison. It's pretty 146 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: cool though, they got a football team all deaf and 147 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: or hard of hearing. And it's cool to watch the video, like, 148 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: you know, the coaches given like the motivational speech and 149 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: he's signing at the same time and it's I don't thing, 150 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: it's kind of neat. That is cool. And I thought 151 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: about this too. Probably not affected by home field advantage 152 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: or not. Oh the noise, yeah, I wonder though, like 153 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: the tremble nous of it, of that much just sound yea, 154 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: the sound waves, the physical waves hitting you well. But yeah, true, 155 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: but it's not the same as you know. NFL teams 156 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: when they go to visit like Seattle, they have they 157 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: work out all these sign language uh for each other. Oh, 158 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: I see what you know what I'm saying. I thought 159 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: you mean getting psyched out by like the crowd noise. No, 160 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 1: I mean like not being able to hear when you 161 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: are changing a play at the line of scrimmage that 162 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: these signs and these guys are like, dude, they're just um. 163 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: So anyway, go bisons. Uh, and that is a school 164 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: more than students today, although they're not all deaf. About 165 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: five UM may consist of hearing students, which I thought 166 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: was interesting because I guess it just you know, it's 167 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: a good school. Yeah, you know. And it says here 168 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: in the article that there was a controversy among the 169 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: students and some of the faculty, and I looked it 170 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: up and apparently there was a an incoming president in 171 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: like the mid two thousand's who was born death, but 172 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: it had been raised to UM to speak rather than sign, 173 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: and apparently most of the students were not very happy 174 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: about that because they didn't think she was planning on 175 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: emphasizing sign language, and they wanted to make sure that 176 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: sign language was like the the UM the main method 177 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: of communication. Yea interesting. UM So, like we said, we're 178 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: gonna be talking about ASL mainly, which has its own 179 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: grammar and syntax and phonology, which if you're talking about speaking, 180 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: it's a study of sounds, which I'm about signing. It 181 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: is the hand movements and signals and motions. Phonology. Yeah, yeah, 182 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: it's the It's how in the sixties some researcher discovered 183 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: that sign language isn't made up of a distinct sign 184 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 1: for everything, right, there's a discrete set of hand gestures, 185 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: movements that you can change and alter to make different 186 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: words or concepts, and that that would be phonology. Right. Yeah, 187 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: it's kind of like I don't think we pointed out 188 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: sign language. American sign language is not literally trying to 189 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: translate each word someone speaks. It's about the concept and 190 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: getting the point across of what someone is saying. And 191 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: we'll get into that it will make more sense in 192 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: a minute. So, but that's phonology. And phonology as far 193 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: as speech goes, would be syllables. Yeah, that sounds this 194 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: is like hand like in a gesture or whatever. Okay, uh. 195 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: And morphology, which if you're speaking, that is how words 196 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: are formed from basic sounds, and in sign language that's 197 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: the way you're uh. Hand and motions represent the concepts. Okay, 198 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: So that makes sense. Yeah, And you were saying that 199 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: American sign language is not follow English necessarily. If it 200 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: doesn't follow English, in fact, they try to avoid sounding 201 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: like English. Yeah, like they abandoned English syntax. They there's 202 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: no use of the word am or be um. It's 203 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: pretty simple and straightforward, and some of the stuff also 204 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 1: are Some of the signs are conceptual, like there there 205 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: are some that are UM symbolic, but some are like 206 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: a concept or an icon. I guess it's a better 207 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: way to put it, like um, if you are doing dear, 208 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: if you're saying the word deer, signing the word dear, 209 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: um d e er, the animal you put your you 210 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 1: stick your fingers up and put them close to your 211 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: head like handlers. Right. Yeah, So I was curious, like 212 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: how you would sign the word moose. Yeah, and I looked, 213 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 1: what is it? It's the same thing, but rather than 214 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: having them up against your head, they're out off to 215 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: the side a little bit because moose has like antlers 216 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: that are bigger than a deer. Well, and that illustrates 217 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: a very important point with a s l um. It's 218 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: not just the things the signs you make with your hands, 219 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: it's body language expressions, uh in the space. How you 220 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: use the space around you, like to take the antlers 221 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: away from your head represent something and as we'll learn later, 222 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: where you hold your hands represent different things, like further 223 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: away from your body or closer to your body. UM 224 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: and we'll get to all that, but um, basic nuts 225 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: and bolts they are. You can call them speakers even 226 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 1: though they're signing. Uh, but generally you call the person 227 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: receiving the sign at the time, the receiver, the person 228 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: being spoken to, yeah, and the receiver. If you're a receiver, 229 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: you don't just stare at the hands. In fact, you 230 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: don't focus on the hands at all. You focus on 231 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: their face and sort of keep the hands in the periphery. 232 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: That's how UM the remember the did you hear about 233 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 1: the guy who was signing at Mandela's memorials? Thought that 234 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: was going to be your intro. Actually I went with 235 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: the mistreating people intros to you know, I like that. 236 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 1: UM the Yeah, this guy was a fraudulent UM sign translator. 237 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: Now was he really? Did they get? Because I thought 238 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: he was like, no, I'm not fraudulent, I'm just okay 239 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: he uh I. What's unclear is so he was he's 240 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: he suffers from schizophrenia and UM he was hired on 241 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: officially to do this UM and they think that the 242 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: way he was hired was because his rate was about 243 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: half of what normal sign translator would have been. So 244 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: they basically just went with the cheaper option and didn't 245 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: do their due diligence and figure him out because he'd 246 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: actually done this before where he doesn't know sign language 247 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: and apparently has no malicious intent or anything like that. 248 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if he just needed money, or if 249 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: he thinks he know sign language, or if he wants 250 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: to know sign language, or he feels like you can 251 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: get it across. But during Mandela's funeral um he was 252 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,479 Speaker 1: doing all the sign language and it was total nonsense. 253 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: So none of it was real at all. No, it 254 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: was utter gibberish. And one of the one of the 255 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: ways that the deaf community, who were understandably upset at 256 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: all this. I bet some of them got a good laugh, sure, 257 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: but overall they said, if you're doing sign you don't 258 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: just sit there with like a stone face, which this 259 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: guy was doing. He was all hand gesters, and the 260 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:55,359 Speaker 1: hand gesters didn't mean anything. But then also, you expressed 261 00:14:55,560 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: most of sign language with expressions, with facial expressions, movement. 262 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: You don't just stand there because it doesn't do anything. 263 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: You're not getting your point across. So this guy, one 264 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: of the ways he was found out, Uh, he was 265 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: like stone faced. And if you go and look at it. 266 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,119 Speaker 1: He's not moving his face at all, like is completely 267 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: yeah solemn. He was found out pretty quick too, Yeah, 268 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: because I'm sure there are people watching it. You're like, 269 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: what this what's going on? This guy's talking gibberish? So weird. Uh. 270 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: If you were signing actions a lot of times but 271 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: not always, you just mimic the action like um. Strickling 272 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: points out, if you want to sign eat, you hold 273 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: your finger and thumb like you're holding like a little 274 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: piece of chocolate and you go to put it in 275 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: your mouth. That means eat. Pretty straightforward. And there there's 276 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: also something I think it's kind of neat and efficient 277 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: about um sign language? Is that the same that same 278 00:15:55,720 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: sign for eat um is all doubles for other signs 279 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: to depending on what you do with it. Yeah, can 280 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: get confusing, it can, but it's also it's it's I 281 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: don't know, I like it makes it makes the whole 282 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: thing more elegant to me that you one sign, when 283 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: delivered in a certain way, changes the meaning and you 284 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: can't you really have to pay attention. Yeah. For instance, Uh, 285 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: if you want to sign food, it is the same. 286 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: A lot of times you will double a sign to 287 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: indicate something else to indicate it now, Well, it depends. 288 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: That's why it can confusing. So the sign for food 289 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: is the same as doubling the sign for eat. But 290 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: if you want to sign eating uh, which is a verb, 291 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: you would uh also repeat the eat signs. So that's 292 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: where if you're receiving sign language, you understand it. It's 293 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: all about your context. You like, what are you talking about? Yeah, 294 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: what do you mean? You guys went out and you 295 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: were food? Yeah, exactly. I should teach you somethings would 296 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: be fun. Um, but I need to learn it first. 297 00:16:55,440 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: But apparently also, the the the verbs or action words 298 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 1: or signs are are bigger, whereas nouns are smaller. Right, Like, 299 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: the gestures are bigger or smaller, depending on whether it's 300 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: a noun or verb. Two. That's true. That's so. That's 301 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: another way. So again, you can't just sit there with 302 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: your hands directly in front of you, moving within a 303 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: very small box. Yeah, yeah, it's your You wouldn't be speaking, 304 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: at least as far as American sign language goes. You 305 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: wouldn't be speaking correctly. That's true. U. There is an 306 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: alphabet too. Is every thirteen year old girl knows all right, 307 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: why don't you remember that? Like it seems like in 308 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: like the seventh grade, every girl I knew went through 309 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: a phase where they learned that the sign alphabet and 310 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: would like spell out things with their friends that no 311 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: one else knew what they were talking about. What you 312 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: never saw that? No? Oh, man, I remember the big, 313 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: bubbly cursive writing. Yeah, yeah, I just seem to remember 314 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: a lot of young girls learning that sign language alphabet 315 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: and they would sit around and spell things about people 316 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: and had not run into that, not Untilita. Maybe it 317 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: was a Georgia thing. Maybe. Anyway, there's an alphabet which 318 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: actually where you you know, it's called fingerspelling, but it's 319 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: only used to um illustrate a really specific concept or 320 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: to indicate, like a person spell a name. Yeah, Like, 321 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: if you're gonna be telling a story about Josh, I 322 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 1: gotta do a spell out Josh at the beginning, and 323 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: then you don't have to keep doing it over and 324 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 1: over right. Um. One way to do that too, especially 325 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,719 Speaker 1: if I'm not present, is to indicate an empty space 326 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: by you spell out my name, point to that empty space, 327 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: and then from that point on, anytime you point out 328 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: the empty space you're seeing Josh. Yeah, if you're there, 329 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: it's called indexing. Use your finger. You just point to Josh. 330 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, if you're not there, you just make an 331 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: imaginary Josh and you keep pointing to that space to 332 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: refer to Josh. It's pretty cool. Um. Another reason that 333 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: you would use finger spelling would be to ask somebody 334 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: what a sign was for something you couldn't remember. So 335 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: if you're saying something you you and you couldn't think 336 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: of moose, you might spell out and fingerspelling what's the 337 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: sign for moose? Yeah, And then they would say, hey, 338 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 1: fingers up away from the head. Yeah, I wrote an 339 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: art wrote. I read an article from the Washington Post 340 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: earlier about UM Washington, d C. They call him terps interpreters. 341 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: Are you sure they weren't talking about University of Maryland? 342 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: They were talking about you know, but uh, it's a 343 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: big deal in d C. There's like, on any given day, 344 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: there's like fifteen people in d C signing for clients. Yeah, 345 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: of course it makes sense because it's law. First of all, 346 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: federal law requires reasonable accommodation for a deaf person. But um, 347 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: this one guy that they interviewed, uh, what's his name? 348 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: Painter he said that spelling is you're you're like your 349 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: back door, like if every and it's it's tough in 350 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: DC because he was like, basically, try signing a speech 351 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: by Bernanky when they're saying like very d C specific 352 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: political jargon that may, you know, maybe not have a 353 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: concept you can represent, like fiscal cliff, or it's not 354 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: your first rodeo, or kick it down the road a 355 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: little bit. And so they basically have invented political jargon 356 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 1: for people to do that. And he said, or if 357 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: you get stuck, you can always just spell it. And 358 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,479 Speaker 1: that appears to be a hallmark of sign language. Is 359 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: um there like new signs are created all the time, 360 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: just like new words are created all the time. And 361 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: just like with speech, UM there are prescriptivists and there's descriptivists, 362 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: like people who say, no, American sign language is sacrosanct. 363 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: It is what it is. It's not to be added to. 364 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: If you add to it, it dilutes the language. Go 365 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: come up with your own language if you want to 366 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: add fiscal cliff to it. Um. And then there's other 367 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: people who are descriptivists who say no, a language is 368 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: a living, breathing, evolving thing. And like we need to 369 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: get the concept of fiscal cliff along across so here 370 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: it is it looks like moose kind of I would 371 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: just do a little guy walking then falling off a cliff, sure, 372 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: you know, and then making a dollar sign. Uh. If 373 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: you have seen people do sign language and you see 374 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: them looking upset or puffing their cheeks out or raising 375 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: their eyebrows, uh, they're indicating an inflection. That what's called 376 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: a non manual marker. So, um like, if you wanted 377 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: to ask someone, and that's also with punctuation, if you 378 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: wanted to, you could do the little question mark sign, 379 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: but more likely you would just say the sentence and 380 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: then raise your eyebrows. Right, go give him an example, 381 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: Um like movies? Do you like the movies? Right? You 382 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: would say you like movies and then raise your eyebrows 383 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: like huh. You basically like a rush and you like movies. 384 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: That's basically what's going on there. Any Yaka Sarf reference 385 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: is hilarious. It doesn't matter what it is. Jer's the 386 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: King of the Hill that he co starred on No Way. 387 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: They go to Branson and like he uh, I think 388 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: Bobby like ends up hanging out with him. Yeah, it's 389 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: pretty awesome. UM. Another way you can modify a sign, 390 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: there's basically a couple of ways you can modify action 391 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: UM is by directionalizing. So if you, you know, I 392 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 1: had a nice leisurely meal, you would do the symbols 393 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: for the signs for eating very slowly. If you want 394 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: to tell someone I had to wolf it down real 395 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: quick because it was late for a meeting, you would 396 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: just do the signs for eating very fast. It's pretty easy, yes. 397 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 1: Or if you wanted to say I'm going to give 398 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: a gift to you, you would just do the signs 399 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: for uh, give gift, and then you know, indicate that 400 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: I'm giving it to you or to someone else. The 401 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: direction of it is going from I to you, So 402 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: it's implied right there, give gift is going from I 403 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: to you. I give you a gift. It really cuts 404 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: through all the jibber jabber. I kind of like it 405 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: and only us. And there's also UM rules with syntax 406 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: are just totally out the window. In relation to English too, 407 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: it's um. There's something called the topic of the sentence, 408 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: and that's frequently a pronoun like I, and it genuinely 409 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: doesn't matter where that goes you can go at the 410 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: beginning of the sentence, the end of the sentence, or both. 411 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: And I haven't figured out where I where both comes from? 412 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: Why you would say the pronoun twice? So for example, 413 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: like um, I am an employee here right, you would 414 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: just say I employee or employee I or I employee I, 415 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: And I can't figure out. Hopefully somebody out there can 416 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: let us know why you would want to say what 417 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: the purposes for saying it twice? But it's it's allowable 418 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: structure wise. Interesting. Yeah, So within that structure, Um, I 419 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: think you said it was topic comment structure. Generally the 420 00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: comment is the predicate. Uh So, man, this took me 421 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: like down memory lane. Yeah, I was like, what's the 422 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 1: predicate again? It says something about the topic or the 423 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:12,199 Speaker 1: um object if you were talking about English. Uh. And 424 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: then there's the tents. Of course, if you want to 425 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: talk about when something happened, you can do it in 426 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: a variety of ways, but generally you would announce the 427 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: tents at the beginning and then you wouldn't have to 428 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: keep saying it over and over that you're like speaking 429 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: in the past tense right until you say until you 430 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: change tense, So you would start by saying yesterday, uh, 431 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: and then you would start talking about how you went 432 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: to the store and you saw this trans am and 433 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: you're like, hey, that's a great trans am to the 434 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,479 Speaker 1: guy and he said thanks a lot. Uh. But then today, 435 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: so then you'd signed today. I saw the trans am 436 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: again and it had gotten an offender bender, right, and 437 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 1: it was sad. Right. So in in the middle you 438 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: have you have signed today, and it's changed tense. So 439 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: the tenses, it's this is something you have to pay 440 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: attention to, Like sign language, American sign language relies on 441 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: you to be a smart, non lazy person because you 442 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: have to pay attention. You have to keep up with 443 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: what you're saying, so you can't just you know, drift 444 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: off or you know, just start staring into the middle. Focus, 445 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: you know, like you have to be paying attention. Um. 446 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: And it's not just because you're watching the signs or 447 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: anything like that. Like it can change and switch very suddenly, 448 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 1: going from yesterday to today, and then everything after that 449 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: stays the same, and you have to look for a 450 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: change intense so you don't miss it and get confused. Yeah, 451 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: and they're quick too, and and it relies on you 452 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: to understand context as well. So, for example, you if 453 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: you were saying, um, I had lunch today, I went 454 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: out for lunch today. Um, you can't even speak it 455 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: in English. I went out for lunch this afternoon. Okay. 456 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: Um you would say today, I go to lunch. Is 457 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: what you would say in sign language, And depending on 458 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: when you were saying it, the person the receiver would 459 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: know what you were talking about. If you were talking 460 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: about in the morning, they would know, oh, you're going 461 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: out to lunch this afternoon, or if you were talking 462 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: to them that night, they would know, Oh, well you're 463 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: saying you went to lunch already this afternoon. Yeah, now 464 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 1: you're going to you already went right right. It's all 465 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: context as well. Yeah, like you said earlier, you won't 466 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: get confused if you're if you're understanding what they're saying. Yeah, 467 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: um I I said, makes total sense, doesn't it. It 468 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: really does. It's it's it's smart. Yeah. We talked about 469 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: using the space. Um, if you sign close to the body, 470 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 1: it might have been something that happened uh recently, or 471 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: might happen soon. If you sign further out, maybe it 472 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: was something that happened a long time ago or might 473 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: happen away far in the future. Yeah. Again, super interesting 474 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: and smart, and that kind of runs into the calendar 475 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: that some sinists report around the all the time. I 476 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: thought of that same thing. Didn't it make you think 477 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: of that totally? I wonder if Strickling did that on purpose. 478 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 1: He is an evil genius. Um. All right, so I 479 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: think maybe we should take a message break and then 480 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 1: get to the etiquette of sign language. All right, Chuck, 481 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: where you're going to talk about Mr Manners etiquette? Yes, 482 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: there is etiquette. Like with regular speaking language. Um, you 483 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: need to wait for the speaker to finish signing, and 484 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: then they'll look at you and say it's you returned 485 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: to speak. If they look away, they're they're still talking 486 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: or signing. You know what I'm saying. I know what 487 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: you're saying, So don't take that as your cue to 488 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: jump in there. In fact that that can be rude. 489 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: They will actually give you the signal that it's it's 490 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: time for you to respond. Right. But um, if you 491 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: watch two people who are signing with one another kind 492 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: of frantically arguing, yeah that they that's one was a 493 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: tactic in an argument using sign language, you don't wait 494 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: until the person stops and points to you could just 495 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: cut in. What you're doing is interrupting them. Interesting. Yeah, 496 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: Another thing that you that might happen if you are 497 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: a receiver of sign language is the person signing might 498 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: suddenly turn and start signing to somebody who isn't there. 499 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: So you're not supposed to take a couple of steps 500 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: over right, right, they know where you're standing. What they're 501 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: saying is that they they're basically saying like, um, and 502 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: then I was talking to Todd and this is Todd. 503 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, this is what I was saying 504 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: to Todd. Right, So they're not they're not addressing they're 505 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: addressing you still, but they're talking about how what they 506 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: said to Todd, yeah, or what Todd said. If Todd 507 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: said that he has a sore back, you would look 508 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: at imaginary Todd and say, I don't know what you 509 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: would say, probably back sore or sore back. But the 510 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: the the the proper etiquette, there's just keep watching their 511 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: their facial expression and gestures, just like they are talking 512 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: to you. Yeah. Um, you don't just wander off right 513 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: if you see uh, if you have nothing to do 514 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: with any of this and you just see two people 515 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: signing on the street. Um, they say. According to Dr 516 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: Bill Vickers, who owns a company, I'm sorry, as president 517 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: of a company that creates uh sign language programs, he said, 518 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: it's not rude to walk between them. Um, if you 519 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: just kind of just walk quickly between them and like, 520 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: it's no big deal. So there's that, right, But you 521 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: don't want to be like, sorry, sorry, everybody you see me, 522 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: I'm about to walk over here, so you just go through, yeah, 523 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: Or I would say just go around if you can. 524 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: That's Chuck's recommendation. Go around, you know, Like I wouldn't 525 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,959 Speaker 1: walk between two people having a conversation either. Yeah, uh 526 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: speaking conversation. That's absolutely I thought that was a little 527 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: rude too, but apparently deaf people are cool with it alright, 528 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: so good to know. So, Chuck, Um, we talked about 529 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: American Sign language, and obviously that's far from the only 530 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: sign language in the world. There's hundreds, but in the States, um, 531 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: American Sign language is the dominant sign language. But there's 532 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: other types of sign languages that are also practiced enough 533 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: to warrant mentioning. Here. One is signed exact english Man. 534 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: This sounds tough. It is because it's slow. One of 535 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: the advantages of American Sign language is that it gets 536 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: rid of a lot of the crud. So like you 537 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: just say give gift, and by the direction you're moving, 538 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: you get the point across that I give you a gift. Um, 539 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: all of these other things that you can do with 540 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: the gesture, you're cutting out two, three, four words in 541 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: a sentence. This whole thing feel like I waste a 542 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: lot of words we do, especially in English, and English 543 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: is a very strange, technically difficult language, and American Sign 544 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: language gets rid of a lot of that stuff. Or 545 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: I should say it doesn't get rid of it, it 546 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: evolved without that stuff. Yeah, that's a better way said UM. 547 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: And signed exact English is like trying to literally get 548 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: English across and all of its weird syntax and order 549 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: and I am and B and is UM using sign language, 550 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: So it's it can be very slow. Yeah, like UM 551 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: in a s L, if you wanted to sign beautiful, 552 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: that could mean pretty beautiful, lovely to look at um, 553 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: But they get specific. With signed exactly English, you would 554 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: actually if you want to say someone was pretty and 555 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: not beautiful, you might sign the letter P and then 556 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: the sign the s L sign for beautiful, which I 557 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: guess is you know, if you're being set up on 558 00:31:55,560 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: a date, you might want to get specific. Was beautiful? No? 559 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: I said she was lovely? Man? What's the sign for 560 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: good personality? Um? And and Strickland points out that hearing 561 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: teachers who interact with deaf children prefer signed exact English 562 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: to a s L because I guess just when you're 563 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: at that stage in life to match up with the 564 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: English spoken language, they think that has some benefit. Well, yeah, 565 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: there's a UM, I guess one way of looking at 566 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: educating deaf children is this whole immersed education yeah, um, 567 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: where it's like you learned speech reading, which lip reading? Um, 568 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: you learn sign language, you learn to speak, um, you 569 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: learn finger spelling, right, you learn reading because that's another 570 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: thing too. If you just are raised on American Sign language, 571 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna have trouble reading English because you're gonna you're 572 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: gonna say, what is B what it is? What are 573 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: all these extra words? What's with the syntag X? Second? 574 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: It makes sense. So there is definitely a school of 575 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: thought among educators that if you have a deaf kid, um, 576 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: you they should learn everything, including sign language, but also 577 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: all the other stuff so they can effectively communicate with 578 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: non sign language non signers. UM. And that's opposed as 579 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: opposed to someone who loses their hearing later in life. No, 580 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: I think that's opposed to people who think, like, well 581 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: or a deaf community and sign language is enough for us. 582 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,239 Speaker 1: We don't have to know how to speak. We like, 583 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: why doesn't why don't hearing kids learn sign language? Why 584 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: is it on us that we have to learn all 585 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: this every extra stuff? Is there not a balance? So 586 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: I think that that's UM part. I think those are 587 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: two camps. I don't know if that's the whole thing, 588 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: but I think some people think you should learn everything, 589 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: where other people are like, sign language is good enough. Interesting. Uh, well, 590 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: there's one more we'll get to in a second UM 591 00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: called Pidgeon Signed English right after this message, right fish? 592 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: All right? So pige and signed English, which is what 593 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: we were talking about, is the other common uh form 594 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: of sign language in the United States. And I don't 595 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: fully understand this one, do you. Uh? It seems to 596 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: be uh the middle ground between signed exact English and 597 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: American sign language. So they try to follow English syntax, 598 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: but they don't have like b okay, so there wouldn't 599 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: so there wouldn't be like, um, like I give you 600 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: a gift. It might just be like I give you gift, 601 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, yeah, that makes more sense. Yeah. Uh. 602 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: They they do not require in Pigeon Sign English um 603 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: prefixes and suffixes like they do in se uh. And 604 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: then they say it can be easier to learn than 605 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: either one of the other two versions because it does 606 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: match up with English syntax. Yeah. And if you if 607 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: you're one of those educators who thinks that kids should 608 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: learn everything, yeah, um, you would be teaching C or 609 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: I imagine at least Pigeon Sign. Yeah. And they say 610 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 1: you can speak out loud and sign at the same 611 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: time easier because you're not going to get ahead or 612 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: fall behind because it'll match up more yea makes sense. 613 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: And then there's um, there was a push because like 614 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,240 Speaker 1: we said, if you if you're deaf and a speaker 615 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: of American Sign language and you go to Great Britain, 616 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 1: like you're gonna have trouble communicating, just like an English 617 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: speaker would have in France. Yeah, what's a garage on 618 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: our lift? So so there was this push in the 619 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: mid twentieth century to create an international sign language. That's 620 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: what I thought everything was, UM and the the Internet. Yeah, 621 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 1: I kind of did too. Yeah, I was very uh 622 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: naive about all this. Yeah, same here, UM the American 623 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: or international sign language was. It came out of them, 624 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,479 Speaker 1: the World Congress of the World Federation of the Death 625 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 1: from ninety one. They said, let's do this, and then 626 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: twenty two years later they got around to doing it 627 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: and they created something called just do No you should 628 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: say it just doing them. Yeah, and that it's an 629 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: Italian where that means unified sign language appropriately enough, and 630 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: I think which Strickland says, it's very much like the 631 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: spoken language esperanto. Yea, it exists, some people know it, 632 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: but it is very far from an international language. Yeah, 633 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 1: I looked a little more into it. I think they 634 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: use it at international meetings because they kind of probably 635 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: have to. And um, they say it can be useful 636 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 1: for like world travelers to pick up I guess, just 637 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 1: like you would visit another country to pick up some 638 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: phrases and things to help you out. But yeah, it 639 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: sounds like it's far from codified. Right do you say 640 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:16,399 Speaker 1: codified or codified codified? Cod alright, uh. And then there's 641 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: babies speaking sign language. And I want to say, if 642 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: you want to see a creepy picture of a baby, 643 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: check out this article on how stuff works dot com 644 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,760 Speaker 1: how Sign Language Works. I missed that on the last 645 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: page the baby sign language page is a picture of 646 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: a baby signing and it's staring right at the camera. 647 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,879 Speaker 1: It looks way too young to like be thinking the things. 648 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 1: It's obviously thinking murderous thoughts. He looks like he's doing 649 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 1: karate to me. But look at his face though, it's 650 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 1: like a scary kids sinister, it's a great word. So, 651 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: um that is uh baby sign language. Well, yeah, there's 652 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: a school of thought that, um, if you start your 653 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: baby out before they can speak English words or whatever words, 654 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: that you are going to get them ahead in life 655 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: by signing things that they need, Like teach them to 656 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: sign for Hungary or Pepe or daddy or mommy and 657 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: they say it. About six months, kids can start picking 658 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: the stuff up and learn like dozens of words. Yeah, 659 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 1: they can learn at a six months, but it might 660 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: take a couple of months before they start signing in return. 661 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,839 Speaker 1: But they're still absorbing it. And um, like you said, 662 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: they learned obvious words that have meaning to them in 663 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 1: their life. But apparently a lot of parents report that 664 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: their kids, once they figure out what they're doing, that 665 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 1: they're communicating, they want to learn more and more and more, 666 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,320 Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. Um. And there was a little 667 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: bit of concern when this was first introduced, UH that 668 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: kids who were learning sign language would become deficient in speech. 669 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: And they did a study and they found out actually 670 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: the exact opposite is true, Like kids who are learning 671 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:58,320 Speaker 1: sign languages babies, um, have better speech abilities and language 672 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 1: abilities than their peers who didn't learn it. Interesting, that's 673 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: at least one one study found. But um, these same 674 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,879 Speaker 1: researchers recommend that if you're teaching your kids sign language, UM, 675 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: which I didn't know it was a thing, but you mean, 676 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: and I want to go visit a friend of hers. 677 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: You didn't know it the thing and like they started 678 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,839 Speaker 1: signing to their baby and I was like, what's going 679 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: on with kid deaf? Yeah kind of um, And apparently 680 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: it's a thing. I didn't realize that I had seen 681 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,399 Speaker 1: it before. But they're saying, if you teach your kid, 682 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:33,760 Speaker 1: you're hearing child um sign language. We speak the word 683 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: as well. So the kid comes to understand that speaking 684 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,840 Speaker 1: and signing are they're saying the same thing, so there's 685 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 1: not there's not a reliance on just one or the other. 686 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 1: I guess yeah, I'm glad to know that it does 687 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: lead to better uh speech, maybe later on, because when 688 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: I first saw people doing that, it was kind of 689 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 1: like I was one of his doubters, like, come on, 690 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: what are you doing really? Yeah, but now I get it. Yeah, 691 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 1: it makes sense. Plus it's kind of cool like if 692 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: your kid, if you can get your seven month old 693 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 1: kid to sign things to you, Yeah, it's almost like 694 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: the same thing, but on the opposite end of the 695 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 1: timeline of getting messages from the grave. You know, like 696 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 1: babies can't talk for reasons, they know stuff that they're 697 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 1: not supposed to know. So if your baby does the 698 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,319 Speaker 1: sign for area fifty one, you're in trouble, right. I 699 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: got one more little fun thing. I was talking about 700 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: the guy in d c Uh Painter is his last name. 701 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: He said that a lot of times they'll get hired 702 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: because they have to get hired, you know, to under 703 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 1: federal law. But there won't be anyone there that's hard 704 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 1: of hearing. But they still have to stand up there 705 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,280 Speaker 1: and sign and he calls that in the terms apparently 706 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 1: called that air guitar. That's a pretty good cool so 707 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:55,279 Speaker 1: sign language. Yeah, if you, UM have a friend who 708 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 1: is deaf or hard of hearing and is sign language person, 709 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,760 Speaker 1: there's miner I guess um, and you want to ask 710 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: them how we did. If you go on to Stuff 711 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,280 Speaker 1: you Should Know dot com and go to the page 712 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: for this episode, it will have a full transcript for 713 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 1: it too, so everybody can check it out. Um. And 714 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,759 Speaker 1: if you want to know more about this article, see 715 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 1: the scary Scary baby. Um. You can type in sign 716 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 1: language on how Stuff Works dot com and we'll bring 717 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: up Strickland's article. Right, So there's two websites for you 718 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 1: to go to Stuff you Should Do dot com and 719 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: How Stuff Works dot com. Boom. And since I said 720 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: to websites, it's time for listener mail, I'm gonna call 721 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,359 Speaker 1: this h I v um. Hey, guys. Are recently went 722 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 1: to visit family in Louisiana for Christmas break from San Francisco, 723 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 1: and during a conversation with a quote friend from high school, 724 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 1: I mentioned the fact that I had recently started my 725 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: medication for HIV AIDS, and this quote friend end quote, 726 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,840 Speaker 1: became visibly uncomfortable and clearly was looking for an excuse 727 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 1: to leave or see its. The texts later where I 728 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: was accused of endangering his life by not immediately disclosing 729 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: my status with him, giving examples of risky behavior like 730 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 1: what if I had drank after you, or some microscopic 731 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 1: speck of your spit had gotten on my face? Two 732 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 1: fourteen Now and this is what's going on. Still have 733 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: you seen Dallas Barbs Club yet? No? I can't wait. Uh. 734 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:25,919 Speaker 1: It was a stark reminder, guys. So just how little 735 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 1: people know still about how HIV works. Uh. Not only 736 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,399 Speaker 1: are neither of those things a possible vector of transmission, 737 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 1: but modern medication can so effectively eradicate HIV from your 738 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,920 Speaker 1: blood and semen that you're practically not even contagious anymore, 739 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,239 Speaker 1: reducing the risk by as much as nine I had 740 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,720 Speaker 1: end age AIDS in May and by August my viral 741 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: load was undetectable, that my T cell count was normal, 742 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 1: but there were complications with medication side effects such as 743 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,919 Speaker 1: liver damage. Um. There's so much information out there about 744 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 1: HIV that people who don't have it are unaware of 745 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 1: when it comes to HIV ignorance and cause positive people 746 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,319 Speaker 1: some serious pain when the uninformed because feel like a biohazard. Yeah, 747 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,800 Speaker 1: and it would be awesome if you guys could do 748 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 1: an episode how HIV works. And that is Jesse in 749 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 1: San Francisco and he works with the l g B 750 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: T YES community out there. I can't remember where he works, 751 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 1: but um, he was like, yeah, man, read this and 752 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 1: do a podcast on HIV. And I think that's a 753 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 1: great idea. I do too, and we should get that 754 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 1: together forthcoming. That's right, Thanks Jesse. Uh yeah to your 755 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: friends by two thousand four. Get with it, dude. I 756 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 1: remember hearing something. I remember being a kid, we were 757 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,440 Speaker 1: like the generation that was just scared to death of 758 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: aids in HIV because we're the ones who were like, 759 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: you know, on the schoolyard when this thing was you know, 760 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 1: becoming a thing. Yea, And um, I remember being afraid 761 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,880 Speaker 1: of that kind of thing, and then learning as I 762 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,280 Speaker 1: got a little older, like you'd have to drink something 763 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,919 Speaker 1: like a gallon or two gallons of an HIV patients 764 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:08,799 Speaker 1: um saliva to possibly contract HIV through saliva or something 765 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,799 Speaker 1: like that, and you're like, I just drank a court 766 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,840 Speaker 1: so I'm good, right, I'm good to go. And that 767 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,319 Speaker 1: grody and the whole toilet seat thing, remember that? Yeah, 768 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,120 Speaker 1: I remember. That's just ridiculous. But I have one for 769 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: you that's surprising. Oh we'll do a podcast on it. Okay, okay, 770 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,719 Speaker 1: Oh man, um, that's suspenseful. Okay, so look for an 771 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 1: HIV podcast too, agreed. If you want to get in 772 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,239 Speaker 1: touch with Chuck or me um, you can get in 773 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,799 Speaker 1: touch with us via Twitter, that's right at s y 774 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 1: SK podcast. You can join us on Facebook dot com, 775 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,600 Speaker 1: slash stuff you Should Know, send us an email to 776 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 1: stuff podcast at how stuff Works dot com, and as always, 777 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,279 Speaker 1: go check out our home on the web, Stuff you 778 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 1: Should Know dot com for more on this and thousands 779 00:44:53,080 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 1: of other topics. Does it how stuff Works dot com