WEBVTT - How Tabloids Work

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<v Speaker 1>Know from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck

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<v Speaker 1>Bryant uh, and this is Stuff you should Know. It's podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>mean grumpy people today. I'm not grumpy. You're grumpy. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>grumpy Jerry. Jerry's grumpy. I'm fine. Y'all were grumping at

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<v Speaker 1>each other when I came in here. No, Jerry was

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<v Speaker 1>mad at me for being mad at her, which doesn't count.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just everyone's grumpy. It's such a grumpy day. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not grumpy. It's just head legitimate grumpy, right stripe. Everyone's scrapy,

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<v Speaker 1>so Chuck. Yes, I want to tell you about a

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<v Speaker 1>great American hero, William Katka Uh. Many years ago, in

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<v Speaker 1>the wilds of I wish I could remember where he

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<v Speaker 1>was found Mississippi, a little guy known as bat Boy

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<v Speaker 1>was captured. He was caught on a rooftop during a

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<v Speaker 1>flood in Mississippi, and the authorities seized him and UM

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<v Speaker 1>took him into their care. He became a ward of

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<v Speaker 1>the state. That makes sense because bat boys are known

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<v Speaker 1>to go to higher ground during flooding. Yeah, and he

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<v Speaker 1>did true to form uh so uh bat Boy at

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<v Speaker 1>first he didn't like this captivity, UM, but eventually he

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<v Speaker 1>kind of became something of a patriot by um volunteering

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<v Speaker 1>to go search for Osama bin Laden and his Al

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<v Speaker 1>Qaeda operatives UM in the caves of Afghanistan. The reason

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<v Speaker 1>bat Boy was so good at it because he was

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<v Speaker 1>raising caves half bat half boy name Um. He wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>able to find Ben Lawden, but he still returned to

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<v Speaker 1>the U S a hero after a long long flight

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<v Speaker 1>because he just flew himself. Of course, and we know

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<v Speaker 1>of bat boys exploits thanks to a little newspaper known

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<v Speaker 1>as The Weekly World News. Have you heard of this?

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<v Speaker 1>Two things? I used to subscribe to The Weekly World Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>for like a year in high school, me and my

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<v Speaker 1>buddy rad did because it was fun Radcliffe Radford, And

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<v Speaker 1>two I didn't realize that bat boy they continued his exploits.

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<v Speaker 1>I think bat Boys sold a lot of papers for

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<v Speaker 1>the Well, I knew he did, but I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know they kept it up. That's awesome. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad to know that he was fighting the terrorists. He

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<v Speaker 1>he did, he tried to. I don't know if he

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<v Speaker 1>was successful. At least he went equipped more than with

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<v Speaker 1>just a sword. Um. But yeah, so bat Boy was

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<v Speaker 1>a prominent character, I guess. And the Weekly World News,

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<v Speaker 1>which which also bills itself as the world's only reliable newspapers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that that little tagline or whatever. Yeah, it's not around

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<v Speaker 1>anymore in print. Yeah, I think I remember shutting down

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<v Speaker 1>and being sort of sad. Is online, I guess. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and eight it moved to and moved online.

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<v Speaker 1>So really every aspect of that story from this outrageous

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<v Speaker 1>um claim that bat Boy was captured and sent to

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<v Speaker 1>Afghanistan to UM calling itself tongue in cheek, the World's

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<v Speaker 1>most reliable, the world's only reliable newspaper, to it's shutting

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<v Speaker 1>down and going online because of massive profit losses after

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<v Speaker 1>being purchased by this huge conglomerate of tabloid papers. The

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<v Speaker 1>Weekly World News is a perfect analogy for the course

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<v Speaker 1>of tabloids of the last like twenty as a whole. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna dig into that. Um I think it's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I never because I didn't know the little tagline, but

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<v Speaker 1>I guess they figured if we're just going to be

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<v Speaker 1>making up stories, because the Weekly World News, for those

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<v Speaker 1>of you who haven't read it, isn't just a tabloid.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's like it's it's fan fiction. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's completely ridiculous. They don't pretend. But that's why it's

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<v Speaker 1>funny that they said that the only reliable thing. They said, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>we might as well just say that in the thing,

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<v Speaker 1>get it? Yes, And one of their apparently one of

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<v Speaker 1>their editors, is quoted as saying, I could only find

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<v Speaker 1>one source for this quote, so I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>true it is. It could be made up, which would

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<v Speaker 1>be kind of like this apropos meta parody of the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing, But um he said, if our if our

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<v Speaker 1>readers are informed, it's usually by accident. Really, so they

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<v Speaker 1>were well aware. That's great and it isn't an extreme example,

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<v Speaker 1>but there are there are some aspects of the Weekly

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<v Speaker 1>World News that do fit the bill of that of

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<v Speaker 1>a standard table. So I mean, let's talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>What what is a tabloid? Well, Um, should we start

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning or should we just talk about it

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit then do the history? Do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to do the history first? Man, Yeah, let's do the

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<v Speaker 1>history first, because positive that we don't practice. So I

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<v Speaker 1>did see, Um, there was one slight error. This is

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<v Speaker 1>an ed Grabanowski article, which are always great. But did

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<v Speaker 1>you see this other etymology for the word tabloid with

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<v Speaker 1>the pill company UM in the late eighteen hundreds, apparently

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<v Speaker 1>um Burrows, Welcome and Company was a pharmaceutical company in England.

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<v Speaker 1>They produced at the time, like medicines, were all like

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<v Speaker 1>BC powder good, he's powder, They're all powdered. And he

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<v Speaker 1>I think was the first one to make into a

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<v Speaker 1>pill by compressing the powder and he called it a tabloid. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it probably was. And um that that word became to

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<v Speaker 1>mean anything figuratively, that was a small dose of anything.

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<v Speaker 1>So the word tabloid, it actually became came before I

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<v Speaker 1>believe about ten years before the shrunken newspaper, Uh, the

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<v Speaker 1>physical newspaper shrinking. Well, it still works. It's like the

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<v Speaker 1>origin of life on Earth comes from another planet. But really,

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<v Speaker 1>where did the origin of life begin? Right, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>answer the question. It's the same thing, like, okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that's the origin of the word tabloid. Then it

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<v Speaker 1>was associated with newspapers. The tabloid paper ums printed on

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<v Speaker 1>a smaller, more compact version of the normal newspaper newsprint

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<v Speaker 1>called a broadsheet. Right, so the tabloid is a smaller,

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<v Speaker 1>more compact version. The broadsheet is longer and wider UM

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<v Speaker 1>and then the tabloid were usually printed on the smaller paper,

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<v Speaker 1>hence the word yeah. So at first it was a pill,

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<v Speaker 1>then it became the size of the paper, and then

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<v Speaker 1>later on it just became um the style of the

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<v Speaker 1>paper and size, but really the style. But tabloids, as

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<v Speaker 1>were explaining them, are basically like um. They are also

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<v Speaker 1>commonly referred to as rags, as um gutter public Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're gossip sheets, whatever it's it's basically it's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>a uh, slightly shifty, underhanded newspaper and um tabloids. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the ways that they exist and always have existed

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<v Speaker 1>is in comparison to quote legitimate newspapers. So like originally

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<v Speaker 1>newspapers that say, like the beginning the early nineteenth century.

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<v Speaker 1>They were extremely stuffy. They were extremely expensive. They were

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<v Speaker 1>like six cents per which was like half a day's

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<v Speaker 1>pay for the average labor. Really dry. Man. If you

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<v Speaker 1>ever read these old New York Times articles, there's like

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<v Speaker 1>they just really just you know, they lay out the

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<v Speaker 1>facts and then say the end, exactly like the AP

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<v Speaker 1>used to do. Until a few years ago. The AP

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<v Speaker 1>always did that who, what, when, how, where and why

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<v Speaker 1>the old journalistic pyramid exactly and then like maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>quote in there and that was it. Um. And so

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<v Speaker 1>out of this, I guess kind of boredom and a

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<v Speaker 1>need for the working class to be able to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>get their news too, because I couldn't afford it, came

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<v Speaker 1>the predecessors of tabloids, called the penny Press. So they

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<v Speaker 1>were cheaper, and they also did something different. They took

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<v Speaker 1>stories from just these boring facts political stories, business stories,

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing, and started working on human interest stories.

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<v Speaker 1>And they changed the style of writing. Sentences were shorter,

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<v Speaker 1>paragraphs were shorter, way more emotion It was it was

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<v Speaker 1>designed for that, like listen to the triumph of this

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<v Speaker 1>family over their evil landlord or whatever kind of what

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<v Speaker 1>we see now in mainstream newspapers exactly. Yes, a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of our stream um media owes quite a

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<v Speaker 1>bit to the evolution of tabloids, and there's actually a

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<v Speaker 1>point where it kind of spread. Finally it made a jump.

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<v Speaker 1>But you can see throughout the history of tabloids and

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<v Speaker 1>newspapers this interplay where tabloid's almost kind of break ground. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>take a bunch of heat and flak for it, and

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<v Speaker 1>then newspapers like latch onto what they're doing. After after

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<v Speaker 1>it becomes co opted in normal behind the guys of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're the upstanding publication. Disgusting, right, I'm disgusted

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<v Speaker 1>by it, all um. Yellow journalism came about in the

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<v Speaker 1>era of William Randolph Hurst with his New York Journal

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<v Speaker 1>later called The New York Journal American, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>the first person in the United States, at least, because

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<v Speaker 1>I think in England it even started out before us,

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<v Speaker 1>but not mistaken. In England, I think they were kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like the birth of some of the more tabloid

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<v Speaker 1>style writing. But in America William randolf Hurst did with

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden he are to doing some celebrity

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and some murderer and little sensational gore here and there,

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<v Speaker 1>and he found that it sold really well up until

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<v Speaker 1>the Depression, when nothing's old really well. Um pick up

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<v Speaker 1>after the Depression when a very monumental figure in tabloid

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<v Speaker 1>history named Janetta Jenettos Pope or Gene Pope Jane Pope

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<v Speaker 1>j Jr. Um He bought a hearst paper called the

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<v Speaker 1>New York and Choir for Grand, changed it to tabloid size,

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<v Speaker 1>started uh printing you know, you know, stuff that he

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<v Speaker 1>figured people like to stare at a car crash. So

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<v Speaker 1>he was actually inspired literally by seeing people like jockeying

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<v Speaker 1>to see the blood and the gore in a car

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<v Speaker 1>crash and thought, Wow, people really are disgusting and crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm going to give them what they want. And

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<v Speaker 1>he did remember the crime scene photography episode we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about Uigi um he he and he sold a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff to Geene Pope. Um he printed a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of his like gory crimes photos. What's his name, Lewis

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<v Speaker 1>fellig I think, but he went by W E G

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<v Speaker 1>E EG interesting So I said it again, Um yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was cueing like the Executive Orders episode, how many

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<v Speaker 1>times like I'll bunch, do you know why because it

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<v Speaker 1>was super interesting. Um. So he starts selling a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of papers based on this new style. And then a

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<v Speaker 1>guy named Rupert Murdoch who you may have heard of,

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<v Speaker 1>who saw or proved that you could actually have pretty

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<v Speaker 1>wide circulation um, and began selling News of the World

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<v Speaker 1>in England millions of copies sex scandals. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>Pope said, you know what, if he can sell millions

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<v Speaker 1>and millions of copies, so can I let me change

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<v Speaker 1>the name of the National Enquirer. Boom right, the National

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<v Speaker 1>Enquirer was born, but um, the Inquirer is we know

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<v Speaker 1>it's ill wasn't born yet. It was the thing they

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<v Speaker 1>were crazy headlines about, like interracial sex and lesbianism and

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<v Speaker 1>like horrible acts of violence posthumous violence. There is this

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<v Speaker 1>one headline, um about a team ripping the head off

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<v Speaker 1>of a corpse to get at its gold teeth, and

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<v Speaker 1>always with the gory crime scene photos like the pulp

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<v Speaker 1>comics were doing too. Yeah, very much. It was just

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<v Speaker 1>very tawdry. It's um, I mean, if the stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>the Inquiry today is tawdry, it's this was just like

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<v Speaker 1>it's not fathomed. But the reason it's not is again

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<v Speaker 1>because of Gene Pope, so he had a lot of competition.

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<v Speaker 1>And not just he, but the whole industry was facing

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<v Speaker 1>a big problem in that news stands were starting to dry.

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<v Speaker 1>So Jeane Pope came up with an idea. He's like supermarkets.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody goes to supermarkets. I need to get in there.

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<v Speaker 1>And now I stand in the line at the checkout stand. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But he knew like there was no way that any

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<v Speaker 1>any respectable supermarket it was gonna sell his tabloid, his rag.

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<v Speaker 1>So he cleaned the thing up, right. He um added

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<v Speaker 1>way more. He took a queue from Rupert Rupert Murdoch

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<v Speaker 1>and his News of the World, and um added way

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<v Speaker 1>more celebrity stuff, sex scandals, but nothing tawdry like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>um this stuff he was talking about before it that

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<v Speaker 1>was just really it was more like a like a

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<v Speaker 1>the Senator got caught with somebody or whatever. Um. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's this guy named James Walcutt. He wrote for the

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<v Speaker 1>for Vanity Fair, and he wrote this article called us Confidential.

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<v Speaker 1>It was in the June two thousand two issue of

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<v Speaker 1>Vanity Fair. It was about this and about that transition

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<v Speaker 1>going from you know, the crime scene photography to um

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<v Speaker 1>astrology overnight so he could get into supermarkets. Uh, he said. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>The Inquirer's staff was aghast. It was like asking an

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<v Speaker 1>experienced team of grave robbers to take up gardening. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's pretty much how the Inquirer's staff took We got

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<v Speaker 1>to clean up our acts and start writing about astrology

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<v Speaker 1>and celebrity sex scandals. And it wasn't even cleaning them

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<v Speaker 1>attacked that much. Just not like you said, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to become the you know, New York Times. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>why they're there. Yeah, that's why when you stand in

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<v Speaker 1>line at a supermarket checkout line, it's because in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixties, Jeane Pope was like, we got to get

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<v Speaker 1>in the supermarkets. I think people either read these or

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<v Speaker 1>they don't. Like I don't think anyone dabbles in tabloids,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. It's kind of like soap operas,

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<v Speaker 1>Like no one just says, like, let me watch a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of Days of Our Lives, Like you're either

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<v Speaker 1>hooked on this stuff or not. I agree with that,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think a lot of people are guilty of

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<v Speaker 1>picking up the tabloid and thumbing through it and then

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<v Speaker 1>not buying it in the supermarket checkout line. Well, now

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<v Speaker 1>you know what they do now, and of course we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get to this, might as well bring it up.

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<v Speaker 1>They look at People Magazine and US Weekly because they

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<v Speaker 1>have nicked from tabloids as well and become a quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote respectable thing to pick up and read, even though,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, do you ever read a People magazine? I have,

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<v Speaker 1>it's sort of tabloid at times, it is, and um

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<v Speaker 1>actually you can thank the Star for that. Um. Star

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<v Speaker 1>used to be a tabloid sheet tabloid. Yeah, and it

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<v Speaker 1>went over to the glossy format at some point. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that maybe the late nineties, and um it, it

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<v Speaker 1>married those two things, glossy people magazine format with tabloid

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<v Speaker 1>and it was enough of his success that people was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we've already got the glossy magazine part, let's just start

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<v Speaker 1>doing the tabloid thing. Yeah. I mean, well, people have

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, legitimate articles still, but and they're not like

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<v Speaker 1>making stuff up, but they've definitely gone way into the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, look at the cellulite on the beach in

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<v Speaker 1>Malibu and look at this person and look at that person,

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<v Speaker 1>and who wore it better? Plastics? Yeah, exactly, stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 1>who wore it better? I know somebody who's been reading people. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when you have the two ladies with the same dress

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<v Speaker 1>me and especially when it's like two to eighteen, now,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, especially when it's like you know, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>means sometimes I'm gonna start wearing hockey jerseys and they'll

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<v Speaker 1>be like, a who aren't better Kevin Smith or podcaster

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck Bryant. People go, I guess Kevin Smith because I've

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<v Speaker 1>never heard of this other guy. It's the same. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the same dude anyway. Alright, So um, that's pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>the quick history of tabloids. Yeah here in the States,

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<v Speaker 1>at least England. We keep mentioning England because they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>lousy with it. Well, they're kind of on the leading

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<v Speaker 1>edge of the decline of tabloids right now. Yeah, let

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<v Speaker 1>get to that, all right. So before we go onto

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<v Speaker 1>tabloid stories and how they get these stories, we should

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<v Speaker 1>point out that in the National Choir, the Star of

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<v Speaker 1>the Globe, the National Examiner, and Weekly World News, we're

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<v Speaker 1>all purchased by American Media, Inc. Like all all of

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<v Speaker 1>those just snap them all up basically just about on

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<v Speaker 1>the show, now, every big tabloid in the United States

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<v Speaker 1>was purchased by this one company, and um, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's never a good thing. Or maybe that's just

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<v Speaker 1>me being it, you know. Well that's the funny thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the title of this sidebars, they control everything you

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<v Speaker 1>read unless you don't read any of those things. So, um,

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<v Speaker 1>the the am I. Actually they're the reason the Weekly

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<v Speaker 1>World News shut down. Um, they were like, okay, these

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<v Speaker 1>things losing money. Am I posted a hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 1>million dollar loss in two thousand and six and was

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<v Speaker 1>facing like a billion dollars in debt. Yeah, bad boy

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<v Speaker 1>boys of the Internet. Yeah that makes sense. That's where

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<v Speaker 1>bad boy belongs. So okay, let's talk about this. What

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<v Speaker 1>what makes a tabloid? It's not just subjective. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's tabloids like pornography, you know when you see it,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, it's tough to define. That's not um entirely

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<v Speaker 1>the case. There are some actual, um discernible distinctions among

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<v Speaker 1>tabloids that make a tabloid a tabloid, I agreed, So

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<v Speaker 1>what are they? Well Ed points out here something really important.

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<v Speaker 1>The key to a tabloid story is not that it

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<v Speaker 1>be true, just that someone has said that it's true, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and they latch onto that person. And as long as

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<v Speaker 1>they say, you know, attribute these quotes to this person,

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<v Speaker 1>then they can't be held accountable. And that person is

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<v Speaker 1>frequently cited as an expert and a close friend. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if somebody it's all the way you present

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<v Speaker 1>the story. If the if you're saying, if your whole

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<v Speaker 1>story is all about how this person said something, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not really about the story. The story is still there,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're focusing on this person. It's like the the

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<v Speaker 1>rule of the of the tabloid industry. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a trick though, because very much you're tricking people into

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<v Speaker 1>thinking you're reading about a story about Brandjelina. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>you're reading a story about a former made that worked

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<v Speaker 1>for branch Elina and what they think is true, right,

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<v Speaker 1>or some crazy person who has nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 1>Brandngelina who like just um, maybe saw one of them

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<v Speaker 1>in a coffee shop and like, notice they didn't tip

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that. Bam, there's your story. Um. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>like we said that, they like to add experts, and

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<v Speaker 1>but the experts are in no way, shape or form

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<v Speaker 1>qualified In a lot of ways, they have no credentials.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not vetted. It's more say, like, um, the example

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<v Speaker 1>Grabmanowski uses is like a bigfoot enthusiast. Right, if somebody

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<v Speaker 1>spends a lot of time, uh, searching for bigfoot, researching bigfoot.

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<v Speaker 1>There there's no institute out there to qualify them, to

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<v Speaker 1>give them credentials, but you could reasonably make a case

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<v Speaker 1>of this person's a big foot bigfoot expert. Right. The

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<v Speaker 1>thing is is like the Inquirer or the Star or

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<v Speaker 1>the weekly World News is not going to the trouble

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<v Speaker 1>of explaining that. They just say bigfoot expert so and

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<v Speaker 1>so says that there's a bunch of these things out

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<v Speaker 1>and he's seen a bunch and he's an expert exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>My favorite is the leading quote, like, uh, they will

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<v Speaker 1>get the random person who saw Angelina Jolina coffee shop,

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<v Speaker 1>and they will say did she look that? They would

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<v Speaker 1>say maybe something like, yeah, she looked like she looked jittery,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would say did she look strung out and

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<v Speaker 1>that she had possibly been up for days without eating. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she sort of looked like that, And then all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden, that's the quote. Witnesses say she looked strung

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<v Speaker 1>out and like she had not eaten for days, and Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>all they have to do is say yes, exactly yes,

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<v Speaker 1>or like would you say this? And if the prison

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<v Speaker 1>says yes and you just said that. Another hallmark of

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<v Speaker 1>tabloids is making a huge deal out of something I

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<v Speaker 1>guess other newspapers would consider small stuff. Yeah, and like

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<v Speaker 1>actually looking through other newspapers to find some quasi interesting

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<v Speaker 1>story and then blowing it up into possibly a front

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<v Speaker 1>page feature. Um, just by getting into this story, really

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<v Speaker 1>interviewing a lot of people involved, um, and then maybe

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<v Speaker 1>throwing an expert or something like that, and just basically

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<v Speaker 1>making a lot a lot of hay out of something

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<v Speaker 1>very um, kind of negligible. UM. And this by adding

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of quotes and stuff and what do you

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<v Speaker 1>think about this? What do you think about that? It

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<v Speaker 1>takes it from being about the story, right, like a

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<v Speaker 1>um man saved a goat from a burning building, to

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<v Speaker 1>what these people think about this man and his goat?

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<v Speaker 1>And you can do anything with that exactly the love affair,

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<v Speaker 1>you mean, maybe who knows if somebody said it, then

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<v Speaker 1>they could conceivably report if anyone said, um. Celebrity Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>celebrity news is obviously one of the biggest parts of

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<v Speaker 1>tabloids these days at least, and they the writers have informants,

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of informants, from um security, people who would

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<v Speaker 1>work from them, or who worked at venues where they

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<v Speaker 1>might have been hairstylists, nail salon people like anyone that

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<v Speaker 1>can dish up dirt, and they get in the rotation

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<v Speaker 1>and uh I, remember we shot you ever heard of

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<v Speaker 1>Janet Charlton, No, you might recognize her. She was a

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<v Speaker 1>gossip columnist and think did stuff for TV like Entertainment Tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's how she made her living. And she was

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<v Speaker 1>like one of the more famous ones. And we shot

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<v Speaker 1>a commercial at her house one time in l A.

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<v Speaker 1>And she was there hanging out, and uh I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta tell me some stories. And of course she

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<v Speaker 1>just loved that kind of thing, and she would just

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<v Speaker 1>sit down and regale us with stories about Michael Douglas

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<v Speaker 1>and his secret sex addiction, and and she was He

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<v Speaker 1>always said like, well, you know, my sources tell me.

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<v Speaker 1>She had a list, a rollodex of people on the

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<v Speaker 1>bank roll that she would pay, you know, a few

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<v Speaker 1>bucks if it was not a big deal, to a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money, if it was a big celebrity with

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<v Speaker 1>big news and it's um, that's pretty much standard, like

0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:05.080
<v Speaker 1>you were saying. There, there's this guy named, um, Paul

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<v Speaker 1>McMullen who wrote for I think News of the World,

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<v Speaker 1>and um, you know Dentel Elliott he was he was

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<v Speaker 1>Indiana Jones's sidekick. I can't remember his name, but the

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<v Speaker 1>older British guy. Okay, here's this this huge star in

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<v Speaker 1>Great Britain and he had a very very beloved too

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<v Speaker 1>and he had a daughter who was addicted to heroin.

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<v Speaker 1>And after he died, Um, she took like a big

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<v Speaker 1>turn for the worst. And this cop tipped off I

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<v Speaker 1>think another person who in turn tipped off Paul McMullin.

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<v Speaker 1>But the cop got a few hundred pounds for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Um that this girl was like, she's kind of a prostitute,

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<v Speaker 1>she's so much of a heroin addict, So whatever you

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<v Speaker 1>want to do with that. Paul McMullin goes and like

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<v Speaker 1>offers to pay this this lady like drug money for

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<v Speaker 1>sex or whatever, and she agrees, and like all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden, he starts reporting on it. He's got photos

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<v Speaker 1>and everything. Well she ended up killing youself, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>And he now says like, you know, I take responsibility

0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:08.560
<v Speaker 1>for that, which is meaningless. But um, yeah, he the

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<v Speaker 1>all started with a cop knowing about this and then

0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:18.000
<v Speaker 1>tipping off the reporters. That's so sad. Cops are not

0:24:18.040 --> 0:24:22.920
<v Speaker 1>immune to this kind of thing too, believe it or not, Josh.

0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Another way they'll get their information is from the celebrities themselves. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>From what I've gathered, you're either you fall into three categories.

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<v Speaker 1>You either fight fight fight the tabloids. You either are

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<v Speaker 1>lucky enough and are smart enough to kind of be

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<v Speaker 1>low profile and you're not really a subject of tabo tabloids.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of big stars you've never seen the

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<v Speaker 1>tabloids Harrison for yeah. Uh. Or number three is you

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<v Speaker 1>play ball a little bit, which means, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll give you a little information here and there. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>leak out some stuff here and there. If you play

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<v Speaker 1>nine with me, I'll play ball with you. Maybe I'll

0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:05.680
<v Speaker 1>let you know, like what restaurant I'll be coming out

0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:08.520
<v Speaker 1>of one night you can photograph me. Give you your

0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:12.520
<v Speaker 1>little time. And um. Sometimes the movie studios a leak

0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:15.080
<v Speaker 1>stuff to get get up a little pressed. They did

0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:17.520
<v Speaker 1>that a lot a lot back in the day. But

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<v Speaker 1>it still goes on. Yeah, it's like a symbiotic relationship

0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:25.359
<v Speaker 1>between the person who needs their star to maintain this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's position through things like just basically you're a star

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<v Speaker 1>because the public is aware of you. Yeah, no such

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<v Speaker 1>thing as bad pressed. Like you might be in there

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<v Speaker 1>for your cellulite. But what if someone picks up the

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<v Speaker 1>magazine They're like, Oh, I wonder whatever happened to her?

0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:41.400
<v Speaker 1>I thought she was dead, And all of a sudden

0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:45.440
<v Speaker 1>they're like, she's not dead, she just has cellulite. How sad?

0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:48.240
<v Speaker 1>How sad? But at the same time, I feel better

0:25:48.280 --> 0:25:55.840
<v Speaker 1>about myself exactly. Um, So, I guess one of the

0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:59.800
<v Speaker 1>ways that you stay in the tabloids is through have

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<v Speaker 1>your picture made. A group of people known collectively is paparazzi,

0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:10.320
<v Speaker 1>and they, actually, I found out, are named after a

0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:15.480
<v Speaker 1>paparazz so photographer. You didn't know that named paparazzo with

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<v Speaker 1>a capital P. He was a character in Um Follini

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<v Speaker 1>Fellini's Ladulce Vita that's movie, and um apparently they were

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<v Speaker 1>already extant, but they got their name through this character.

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<v Speaker 1>But even then they weren't crazy. It wasn't until the

0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:37.639
<v Speaker 1>seventies again thanks to Jane Pope. Um that they really

0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:42.879
<v Speaker 1>became the kind of reckless, relentless nuisances that we have today.

0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:45.639
<v Speaker 1>And it was all because Jane Pope was obsessed with

0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:50.280
<v Speaker 1>Jackie Oh and Aristotle and he would pay so much

0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:54.119
<v Speaker 1>money for anything on them that people that the photographers

0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:58.520
<v Speaker 1>were like just really really became aggressive and assertive because

0:26:58.520 --> 0:27:01.199
<v Speaker 1>of it. And they're way worse in Europe because of

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:04.399
<v Speaker 1>Geane Pope and because they initially started doing this stuff

0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:08.439
<v Speaker 1>in Greece and in in Europe. Um and that that

0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:11.040
<v Speaker 1>still is connected to this day, to the death of

0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Um Diana, Princess of Wales. They were supposedly the driver

0:27:15.840 --> 0:27:18.880
<v Speaker 1>had been drinking, but they were supposedly being chased paparazzi

0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:24.600
<v Speaker 1>on motorcycle. Yeah, very sad, but that's all Generoso Pope Jr. Um.

0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:28.480
<v Speaker 1>I'll bet that guy wore huge black glass thick ones

0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:31.000
<v Speaker 1>like Robert de Niro at the end of Casino. God.

0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:35.880
<v Speaker 1>That's great. Um. Supposedly Fellini too, I dug this up.

0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:39.399
<v Speaker 1>Took the word from an Italian word that described the

0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:43.120
<v Speaker 1>buzzing sound of a mosquito. That's unverified, but he said

0:27:43.160 --> 0:27:45.199
<v Speaker 1>in an interview in Time magazine in the sevenies that

0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:47.959
<v Speaker 1>he's like, yeah, I always just associated with something buzzing

0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:52.359
<v Speaker 1>around you in your way, Like, well, that's paparazzi. Um,

0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:55.159
<v Speaker 1>and there's that movie too, Paparazzi Is that what it

0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:57.879
<v Speaker 1>was called? From two four? Yeah, with the dude, uh

0:27:57.920 --> 0:28:00.520
<v Speaker 1>what's his face? Goes back and beats up ol Houser.

0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:03.720
<v Speaker 1>Did you see it? No? I ran across it on

0:28:03.960 --> 0:28:07.359
<v Speaker 1>IMDb today. It's not bad at all. Um. It's also

0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 1>it could very easily be based on the life of

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Alec Baltwoin Uh yeah sure or something yeah yeah, because

0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:19.560
<v Speaker 1>there's I think the categories you were describing, um, the

0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:22.560
<v Speaker 1>people who are just so big that they can't keep

0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:25.240
<v Speaker 1>a low profile, but they also don't want or need

0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:30.720
<v Speaker 1>that that the tabloids on them. But I've also very

0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:33.000
<v Speaker 1>much gotten the impression. It's like there's a lot of

0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:34.879
<v Speaker 1>people out there who feed it to him, who wanted,

0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:38.000
<v Speaker 1>who craving, And I can't feel bad for those people

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:43.080
<v Speaker 1>at all. It's as and because there are people plenty,

0:28:43.160 --> 0:28:46.160
<v Speaker 1>like you're saying, like plenty of people out there who

0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:48.479
<v Speaker 1>are big stars, but you never see anything about him

0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:50.480
<v Speaker 1>in the tabloids just because they just stay out of it.

0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:53.240
<v Speaker 1>They stay away from it, you know. Yeah, I'm trying

0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:55.080
<v Speaker 1>to think of one. I mean, there's so many. That's

0:28:55.080 --> 0:28:56.880
<v Speaker 1>probably why I can't think of it. But like Harrison

0:28:56.920 --> 0:28:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Ford is a good example, I guess, except when he

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:01.880
<v Speaker 1>started eating close to Flockhart. They were, they were in

0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:04.480
<v Speaker 1>the tabloids a lot. But I also suspect like most

0:29:04.480 --> 0:29:07.120
<v Speaker 1>of that stuff was all very pleasant, like hand holding things.

0:29:07.120 --> 0:29:09.360
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, but she was in the tabloids a lot

0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:12.680
<v Speaker 1>because of her weight, so that fed into that, you know,

0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 1>like maybe she'll be happy and eat again now that

0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:19.840
<v Speaker 1>she has Harrison Ford. You know, yeah, he's just like

0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:26.080
<v Speaker 1>eat this, eat that too. Here, eat this all right,

0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 1>let's talk about let's talk about the law. Because this

0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:32.400
<v Speaker 1>was really interesting, I thought, because the first thing you

0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 1>think of the rest of it was not interesting at all. No,

0:29:35.320 --> 0:29:37.400
<v Speaker 1>I thought, I thought this was super interesting though, because

0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:39.200
<v Speaker 1>the first thing I think of is why aren't these

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:44.479
<v Speaker 1>people suing every day? Suing these tabloids. Some try, some do,

0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Some have been successful for a while. For the early tabloids,

0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:53.680
<v Speaker 1>ones like um oh what were they called? Like Confidential

0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:57.360
<v Speaker 1>I think was one of the early tabloids, um like

0:29:57.520 --> 0:30:04.960
<v Speaker 1>the Tatler Um, they're just whatever stupid name about, not

0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:07.880
<v Speaker 1>about airing dirty laundry. That was the name of some

0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:10.520
<v Speaker 1>pulp tabloid in the fifties and sixties. Dirty laundry was

0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 1>probably one of them, I'll bet um. And they got

0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:17.360
<v Speaker 1>away with that stuff because well, for two reasons. This

0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:21.960
<v Speaker 1>guy wrote, um uh yeah, he wrote I watched a

0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:24.880
<v Speaker 1>wild hoggy my baby, which is pretty much this definitive

0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:28.520
<v Speaker 1>history of the tabloids. And he's got his bona fides

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:32.320
<v Speaker 1>because he was an editor for the National Enquirer, right, um,

0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:35.440
<v Speaker 1>And he said, there's two reasons. In the fifties and sixties. One,

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:38.520
<v Speaker 1>if you were a legitimate star, these things were so

0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:44.120
<v Speaker 1>in the gutter that the stoop to suing them was problematic.

0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:47.560
<v Speaker 1>In one, it was the attention that lawsuit would attract,

0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 1>because the regular press was gonna start talking about it

0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 1>would make you look as bad as well, it would

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:55.520
<v Speaker 1>draw a lot more attention to the original story. And

0:30:55.520 --> 0:30:57.640
<v Speaker 1>the second thing is, even if you want that publisher

0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:00.320
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have the money to pay you, good luck. Then

0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:04.040
<v Speaker 1>Jeane Pope once again changes everything. Jeane Pope and Rupert Murdoch,

0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:07.520
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, these things have enormous circulations. Um.

0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:12.200
<v Speaker 1>I think Jeane Pope took the inquiry from like fifteen

0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:15.120
<v Speaker 1>thousand or a hundred thousand to five million at its

0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 1>peak in the eighties. Um. And so the suddenly they

0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:22.480
<v Speaker 1>did have deep pockets and things changed, and um, Carol

0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Burnett kind of still to this day stands as like

0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:29.920
<v Speaker 1>a bell weather for the celebrities versus the tabloids as

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:32.760
<v Speaker 1>far as the law goes. Yeah, she sued in uh

0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:37.400
<v Speaker 1>after nine article said, and I have to read this quote,

0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty good. At a Washington restaurant, a boisterous Carol

0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:44.280
<v Speaker 1>Burnett had a loud argument with another diner, Henry Kissinger.

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:47.560
<v Speaker 1>She traped around the place, offering everyone a bite of

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 1>her dessert, and they didn't put her dessert in quotes

0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:54.480
<v Speaker 1>I would have. Uh. Carol really raised eyebrows when she

0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:57.400
<v Speaker 1>accidentally knocked a glass of wine over one diner and

0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:00.760
<v Speaker 1>started giggling instead of apologizing. So they basically said she

0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 1>was blitzed at this restaurant. And yeah, he's a big

0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:13.120
<v Speaker 1>fan probably, And she sued in one one point six

0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 1>million dollars, which was and we'll find out here in

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:18.960
<v Speaker 1>a second. This is one of the hallmarks of their

0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 1>litigation settled out of court for much much less, well,

0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 1>very quietly. She got a big settlement because in one

0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:30.920
<v Speaker 1>dollars one point six millions, like a hundred billion today,

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:34.560
<v Speaker 1>I think, uh. And then um, it was reduced by

0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:37.520
<v Speaker 1>an appeals court, which is usually step two in these

0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:40.120
<v Speaker 1>kind of suits two grand Yeah, and then it was

0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:42.040
<v Speaker 1>settled out of court. So I would imagine for even

0:32:42.120 --> 0:32:44.840
<v Speaker 1>less than that. Um, but it was still it was

0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 1>a big deal. It was the first time really that

0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 1>like a major star was able to win a defamation

0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:53.560
<v Speaker 1>lawsuit against the tabloid. But it was one of the

0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say it was one of the

0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:58.160
<v Speaker 1>only times. It was one of the very few times,

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:01.600
<v Speaker 1>especially if you are going on the premise of all

0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:04.080
<v Speaker 1>the people who want to sue the tabloids and don't

0:33:04.080 --> 0:33:08.600
<v Speaker 1>actually bring a suit because things have changed now now

0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:13.560
<v Speaker 1>the tabloids have these reputations for being extremely fearsome litigators,

0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:16.440
<v Speaker 1>where like, if you want to sue them you thought

0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:19.480
<v Speaker 1>that story that ticked you off was bad, They're gonna

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 1>get anything they can and they're going to do it

0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:25.520
<v Speaker 1>through the court. So like when Aretha Franklin or no, um, oh,

0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:29.680
<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Taylor, Yes, when she tried to sue I think

0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:32.360
<v Speaker 1>the Inquirer, or when she did see the Inquirer. The

0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Inquirer's lawyers tried to subpoena all of her medical records

0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 1>for the past thirty years. So they go after everything.

0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:41.600
<v Speaker 1>They tried to drag your life into the spotlight to

0:33:41.680 --> 0:33:45.080
<v Speaker 1>make it like really not worth your while to sue them. Yet,

0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:47.480
<v Speaker 1>the celebrity attorney that was interviewed for this awesome New

0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:53.880
<v Speaker 1>York Times article, h Vincent Cfo Everyone's italian Um. Everybody

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:57.680
<v Speaker 1>has Italian said that it's basically he calls it the

0:33:57.720 --> 0:34:01.800
<v Speaker 1>scorpion defense, which is you don't attack a scorpion because

0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:06.040
<v Speaker 1>you will get stung um. Aside from not the not

0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:10.680
<v Speaker 1>the most complex analogy, I like it. No, it's pretty straightforward.

0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:13.680
<v Speaker 1>I guess that do they need to be complex, but

0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:16.080
<v Speaker 1>you can call it. That's the snake analogy, that's the

0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:18.719
<v Speaker 1>spider analogy, that's the two year old analogy. Oh, like,

0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:20.560
<v Speaker 1>don't mess with the two year old. You'll get thrown

0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:26.160
<v Speaker 1>up on or been pooped on on. The scorpion can

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:29.040
<v Speaker 1>only do one thing to your all can humiliate you

0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:30.840
<v Speaker 1>in a number of ways. Have you ever heard so

0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:33.400
<v Speaker 1>there's this whole thing that like, scorpions commit suicide if

0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:38.239
<v Speaker 1>you set them on fire by stinging themselves. Really and

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:40.839
<v Speaker 1>apparently there's a lot of like YouTube videos out there

0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:43.520
<v Speaker 1>people like doing this with scorpions, like them on fire,

0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:45.480
<v Speaker 1>and then the scorpion will like jump about and like

0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:47.840
<v Speaker 1>sting itself and eventually die. Well, I'll be trying to

0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:51.000
<v Speaker 1>put the fire up. They found that this. They found

0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:56.960
<v Speaker 1>that that scorpions are almost entirely immune to their own venom,

0:34:57.000 --> 0:34:59.200
<v Speaker 1>and that really all this is just the reaction of

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:02.880
<v Speaker 1>being burned alive. They're like trying to like they're flailing about,

0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:05.400
<v Speaker 1>and one of the flails is like they're they're stingers

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:08.040
<v Speaker 1>moving and sometimes it stings itself. So it appears to

0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:11.280
<v Speaker 1>dumb kids who set scorpions on fire that scorpions committing

0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:15.080
<v Speaker 1>suicide terrible and that awful. That's a great tangent though, thanks,

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:20.320
<v Speaker 1>all right, don't burn animals or insects of any kind, kids,

0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:25.520
<v Speaker 1>It's just means setting yourself up for being a sociopath

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:29.399
<v Speaker 1>later in life. Also, legally, speaking with tabloids, um, you

0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:32.680
<v Speaker 1>have to prove malice. Yeah, that's the big one. Not

0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:35.759
<v Speaker 1>only that what they printed was false, but that they

0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:40.359
<v Speaker 1>knowingly printed information they knew was false, because it's got

0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:43.440
<v Speaker 1>to be libelous. It can't just be maliciously libelous. They

0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:45.480
<v Speaker 1>just printed a rumor about me that wasn't true. It's

0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:50.280
<v Speaker 1>got to have malice behind it. Libel is printed. Slanders stated,

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 1>with your mouth, there's are the two differences, or I

0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:59.359
<v Speaker 1>guess you could blink it out with your eyes. That's true. Um, So,

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 1>basically the scorpion defense and then the delays. The first

0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:07.240
<v Speaker 1>thing they're gonna do is start filing motions to delay,

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:09.440
<v Speaker 1>to delay to You spend a lot of money, a

0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:11.400
<v Speaker 1>lot of money, so and if you think about it,

0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:15.520
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing to really gain here necessarily. Well, yeah, it's

0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:17.960
<v Speaker 1>your reputation. So a star who has a bunch of

0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:19.680
<v Speaker 1>money says, I have a bunch of money, and I'm

0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:21.479
<v Speaker 1>really mad at these guys, and i want to teach

0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:24.359
<v Speaker 1>them a lesson. So I'm going to soothe them, and

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:28.440
<v Speaker 1>that they Basically the first tactic is the tabloids try

0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:31.200
<v Speaker 1>to make it not worth your while, that you'll drop

0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:34.160
<v Speaker 1>it because you don't really need this money. You're looking

0:36:34.200 --> 0:36:37.719
<v Speaker 1>for a judgment, and hopefully you'll get bored. Well in

0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:40.680
<v Speaker 1>the tabloids don't care even if they drag this thing

0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:45.239
<v Speaker 1>out in print a retraction six months later, no one remembers.

0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:48.520
<v Speaker 1>No one reads retractions or cares about retractions. Well six

0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:51.480
<v Speaker 1>months later, that's a it's a well put because apparently

0:36:51.760 --> 0:36:53.719
<v Speaker 1>part of the judgment of some of these and in

0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:57.120
<v Speaker 1>successful suits is that you can't write about um this

0:36:57.320 --> 0:36:59.279
<v Speaker 1>star for a said amount of time. Yeah, they're like,

0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:01.680
<v Speaker 1>cut a deal so times and say, you know what,

0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:04.400
<v Speaker 1>I'll drop the lawsuit, just give me a break for

0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:06.920
<v Speaker 1>the next year. And then they put on their calendar

0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:12.280
<v Speaker 1>Tom Cruise one year from now, set reminder to start

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:17.000
<v Speaker 1>effing with him again and um. Another way that tabloid

0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:22.600
<v Speaker 1>stay out of court is most of their UM articles

0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:26.759
<v Speaker 1>are read screened by an attorney or attorneys they have

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:30.319
<v Speaker 1>a retainer. So each article it's printed kind of comes

0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:36.960
<v Speaker 1>with this this implicit um stamp of approval from a

0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:41.600
<v Speaker 1>legal expert. You you really don't have a case if

0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:43.600
<v Speaker 1>you want to sue against this. Yeah, they want to.

0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:45.360
<v Speaker 1>They want to walk right up to the line of

0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:48.279
<v Speaker 1>libel and stop there. And they're pretty good. And you're

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:50.319
<v Speaker 1>in aiate on it, and you're in aid on it,

0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:52.279
<v Speaker 1>and I imagine the writers are really good at it,

0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:55.840
<v Speaker 1>and then as backup, they have their own attorneys that

0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:58.479
<v Speaker 1>are even better at it, and so they're like, yeah,

0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:01.920
<v Speaker 1>this is not libelous, prove it and spend half a

0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:04.640
<v Speaker 1>million dollars trying to prove this. And some people do,

0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:09.440
<v Speaker 1>like Aretha Franklin, I think settled Tom Cruise, Schwarzenegger and

0:38:09.800 --> 0:38:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Katie Cruise. And one did she win because Katie Holmes

0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:21.080
<v Speaker 1>just filed in March. She is she settled for a

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:24.560
<v Speaker 1>donation to her charity unless she has done it twice.

0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:27.160
<v Speaker 1>She did it just this past March. She filed suit

0:38:27.200 --> 0:38:31.160
<v Speaker 1>against him for this one cover. Um like yeah, bags

0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:33.560
<v Speaker 1>under her eyes and they're like Katie's drug problem? Why

0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:38.640
<v Speaker 1>she won't leave Tom? All this? And I also the

0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:44.320
<v Speaker 1>article kind of goes after Scientology and um, well, based

0:38:44.360 --> 0:38:47.359
<v Speaker 1>on that list Nicole kid meant Tom Cruise, Katie Holmes.

0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:50.879
<v Speaker 1>It makes you wonder, like, huh, I wonder how how

0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:56.160
<v Speaker 1>much Scientology encourages suing for defamation and articles that also

0:38:56.239 --> 0:39:00.080
<v Speaker 1>include you know, stuff against Scientology because you both that

0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:07.680
<v Speaker 1>just had the big little supposed Taudrey affairs here in Georgia.

0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:14.560
<v Speaker 1>And then I guess another homework that's not really in UM.

0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:17.560
<v Speaker 1>It's not really in the article, but I think you

0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:23.120
<v Speaker 1>can make a pretty strong case is that sometimes a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of times the tabloid gets things right, but the

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<v Speaker 1>the way that they do it often is very much

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<v Speaker 1>unethical and immoral as far as UM the standards of

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<v Speaker 1>the press is concerned. And that's what Rupert what's been

0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:42.360
<v Speaker 1>going on with Rupert Murdoch, like UM Parliament, like a

0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:47.399
<v Speaker 1>parliamentary UM panel basically said you're not fit to run

0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:50.720
<v Speaker 1>news corps any longer because this scandal is so huge,

0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:54.960
<v Speaker 1>with the phone hacking scandal UM where we I can't

0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:56.920
<v Speaker 1>remember what episode we talked about in it, but there

0:39:56.960 --> 0:39:59.400
<v Speaker 1>was the girl who was kidnapped and like the News

0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:04.719
<v Speaker 1>of the World, writers were hacking into her UM voicemail

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<v Speaker 1>and then deleting them and so the police thought she

0:40:07.480 --> 0:40:09.880
<v Speaker 1>was still alive and it was possibly affecting the course

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<v Speaker 1>of the investigation. They they identified four thousand celebrities, athletes, politicians,

0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:20.960
<v Speaker 1>people of note UM who were whose emails were hacked

0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:24.640
<v Speaker 1>four thousand, and then another thousand that had likely been hacked.

0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Some people have already sued in one like CNA Miller

0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:36.399
<v Speaker 1>Steve Coogan of Our Party people and Tristan Shandy. Um,

0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:38.479
<v Speaker 1>some people have already won. But for the most part

0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:43.160
<v Speaker 1>it's um. These people aren't gonna get any any damages awarded.

0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:45.399
<v Speaker 1>It's basically just no news of the world is shut

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<v Speaker 1>down now. But it was out of hand. And now

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're showing that they were also hacking email, which

0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:55.640
<v Speaker 1>great Britain has this kind of um. This this computer

0:40:55.800 --> 0:40:59.920
<v Speaker 1>theft law now, which makes email hacking way worse than

0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:02.000
<v Speaker 1>phoen hacking. So if that opens up to be a

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<v Speaker 1>big thing, there's people are actually gonna start doing time

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<v Speaker 1>for it. Yeah, that's what I say. But like I

0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:10.719
<v Speaker 1>was saying, sometimes they get things right. They do um.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the years, we'll mention a few O. J. Simpson

0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:17.320
<v Speaker 1>case the National Enquiry, and it seems like it's generally

0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:21.919
<v Speaker 1>the Inquirer that that sort of scoops the legit ones.

0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:25.800
<v Speaker 1>It's never like the Star. Yes, you know, so the

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<v Speaker 1>National Enquirer scooped in the O J. Trial, the story

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<v Speaker 1>about his shoes, the Bruno Molly's. Yeah, they scooped the

0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:37.920
<v Speaker 1>story of the dealer that sold him a knife similar

0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:41.399
<v Speaker 1>to the murder weapon. I guess knife dealers the way

0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:44.319
<v Speaker 1>they scooped the shoes story. Remember there were bloody footprints.

0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:46.840
<v Speaker 1>I thought this was awesome. They really went to town

0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:51.480
<v Speaker 1>because there was a Bruno Molly bloody footprint at the

0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:53.759
<v Speaker 1>scene and O. J. Simpson said, I don't, I don't.

0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:57.000
<v Speaker 1>I've never owned a pair of shoes like that. And

0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:01.120
<v Speaker 1>they went back and found footage of him from like

0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:08.000
<v Speaker 1>wearing them on the field, like reporting yeah, and proved

0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:10.480
<v Speaker 1>that yes, indeed he did have those shoes. And he's like,

0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:14.640
<v Speaker 1>oh those shoes right, yeah. Uh. Bill Cosby's kid n's

0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:17.720
<v Speaker 1>remember when he was killed, the inquiry offered a hundred

0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:21.359
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollar reward for information and that actually led to

0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:24.960
<v Speaker 1>somebody coming forward and giving the information that led to

0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:30.879
<v Speaker 1>the capturing of the killer. That's right, Jesse Jackson's illegitimate child. Yeah.

0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:36.239
<v Speaker 1>In two thousand one, he Um came out and was like, oh, yeah,

0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:41.319
<v Speaker 1>I guess he found out it's true. Yes, Gary Hart

0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:44.480
<v Speaker 1>when he was running for president, I remember this well.

0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:47.279
<v Speaker 1>He was on the monkey business down in Miami with

0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:51.920
<v Speaker 1>what was her name, Donna Rice Um. When you look

0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:54.560
<v Speaker 1>at it now, he h, I haven't seen it. I

0:42:54.560 --> 0:42:56.640
<v Speaker 1>don't think she's just like sitting on his lap and

0:42:56.680 --> 0:42:58.239
<v Speaker 1>he's just got a big grin on his face and

0:42:58.239 --> 0:43:00.680
<v Speaker 1>he's got a T shirt that says Monk Shines grew

0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:03.799
<v Speaker 1>And it was it was all over the place at

0:43:03.800 --> 0:43:05.759
<v Speaker 1>the time, but he dropped out of the race. It

0:43:05.840 --> 0:43:09.840
<v Speaker 1>was because of this this um picture in the inquiry.

0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:14.120
<v Speaker 1>They scooped everybody on it and Russia Limbaugh, Yeah, my

0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:18.759
<v Speaker 1>favorite drug addict that was exposed, Russia Limball. Yeah. I

0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:21.840
<v Speaker 1>remember he was buying oxy cotton from his maid. He

0:43:21.960 --> 0:43:24.400
<v Speaker 1>was on like how many pills a day he bought, well,

0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:25.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how many a day, but he bought

0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:29.120
<v Speaker 1>apparently thirty thousand pills from her. I think he was

0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:31.960
<v Speaker 1>on like some ungodly amount like twenty or sixty or

0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:35.680
<v Speaker 1>eighty pills a day. Just so I remember hearing it

0:43:35.719 --> 0:43:39.520
<v Speaker 1>was like, how is he alive or even not a

0:43:39.600 --> 0:43:43.359
<v Speaker 1>standing up? Yeah, but that was the inquirer that did that.

0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:46.759
<v Speaker 1>But again, so there there could be it could have

0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:50.160
<v Speaker 1>come from a tip, right, Yeah, it could have come

0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:54.279
<v Speaker 1>from um. Yeah, they could have um. They could have

0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:58.680
<v Speaker 1>gotten this information from wire tapping, from whatever. It doesn't

0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:00.960
<v Speaker 1>mean it's wrong, but just one of the hallmarks of

0:44:00.960 --> 0:44:05.120
<v Speaker 1>the tabloid is that the they'll follow sometimes looser ethics

0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:10.439
<v Speaker 1>than maybe. Again, a New York Times reporter um said,

0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:13.280
<v Speaker 1>tabloids today, Josh, like you mentioned Um, at the peak,

0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:18.800
<v Speaker 1>the National Choir was on about five million copies in circulation. Now,

0:44:19.040 --> 0:44:21.480
<v Speaker 1>all of the leading ones in the United States combined

0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:25.520
<v Speaker 1>sell about five point four million. So they've really gone down.

0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:28.680
<v Speaker 1>And one of the reasons why is because they were

0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:33.520
<v Speaker 1>so successful that mainstream media became much more tabloid e

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:41.880
<v Speaker 1>and tabloids became much less, much less different. The field

0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:44.840
<v Speaker 1>of competition increased, Yeah, and basically everyone was kind of

0:44:44.840 --> 0:44:47.719
<v Speaker 1>doing similar stuff now. And they point out the article

0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:51.160
<v Speaker 1>during the Lewinsky trial, sales went down because stuff you

0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:54.760
<v Speaker 1>were seen on CNN and was just as salacious as

0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:57.000
<v Speaker 1>anything you would read in the Star. And again, it's

0:44:57.040 --> 0:45:02.000
<v Speaker 1>like the mainstream media kind of took a cue from tabloids,

0:45:02.440 --> 0:45:05.759
<v Speaker 1>as they have so many other times, so pissful about that.

0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:08.480
<v Speaker 1>With the Clinton thing, they were probably just like, let's

0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:11.000
<v Speaker 1>let's make up some stuff. Let's like what if he

0:45:11.080 --> 0:45:14.200
<v Speaker 1>used a cigar and they were like those crazy stuff

0:45:14.239 --> 0:45:17.960
<v Speaker 1>about Yeah, exactly, it was all true with Clinton, man,

0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:23.960
<v Speaker 1>those nuts looking back. Yeah, so you got anything else? Um,

0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:29.920
<v Speaker 1>I got nothing else? Well, then that's tabloid's Chuck. If

0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:32.040
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<v Speaker 1>means it's time. Now, it's time for listener mail. All right, Josh,

0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:49.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna call this. Uh, don't cry for me, Josh

0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:55.000
<v Speaker 1>and Chuck. Hi, guys, I'm currently working in Argentina, conducting

0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:59.080
<v Speaker 1>research and teaching English on a Fulbright scholarship. I wanted

0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:01.000
<v Speaker 1>to let you know that your podcasts it was a

0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:05.359
<v Speaker 1>great resource for English learners in other countries. Um. I've

0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:07.879
<v Speaker 1>been introducing your podcast to students and adults I meet

0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:10.799
<v Speaker 1>who are interested in furthering their English and learning more

0:46:10.800 --> 0:46:14.840
<v Speaker 1>about US culture. Yeah, a little scary too, Um. The

0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:18.040
<v Speaker 1>idea of a podcast culture does not yet exist in Argentina.

0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:21.120
<v Speaker 1>When I introduce the idea in your program to people here,

0:46:21.520 --> 0:46:24.319
<v Speaker 1>they're very curious and eager to listen. They make great

0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:28.360
<v Speaker 1>wine too, by the way, Argentina, Okay, that's good stuff.

0:46:28.760 --> 0:46:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Your podcast is providing a fun, informative way for students

0:46:31.280 --> 0:46:35.640
<v Speaker 1>here to practice listening to different English accents, um, to

0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:39.440
<v Speaker 1>try and pick up on some colloquialisms and jokes, to

0:46:39.520 --> 0:46:42.239
<v Speaker 1>learn new vocabulary why I feel a lot of heat

0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:45.160
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, um, and to become more informed

0:46:45.200 --> 0:46:47.879
<v Speaker 1>on the various issues you discuss. The idea of people

0:46:47.920 --> 0:46:50.799
<v Speaker 1>listening to podcasts purely to further their own knowledge is

0:46:51.120 --> 0:46:53.160
<v Speaker 1>part is a part of us culture that I am

0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:55.799
<v Speaker 1>proud to share and thank you very much for that.

0:46:56.280 --> 0:46:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Spreading your fan base in Argentina, Angela part it's scaring.

0:47:00.280 --> 0:47:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much for that. We're becoming a cult

0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:09.360
<v Speaker 1>like figures like Rodriguez, who there's this like singer songwriter

0:47:09.440 --> 0:47:11.640
<v Speaker 1>from I think the late sixties early seventies, and he

0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:14.239
<v Speaker 1>just went by the name Rodriguez and released a couple

0:47:14.280 --> 0:47:17.800
<v Speaker 1>of albums that it's totally flopped here and um, he

0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:21.880
<v Speaker 1>just went the way of obscurity. Didn't realize that in

0:47:21.960 --> 0:47:26.600
<v Speaker 1>South Africa, these two albums are achieved like just incredible

0:47:26.680 --> 0:47:29.839
<v Speaker 1>status over there, and everyone wondered what happened to him,

0:47:29.840 --> 0:47:31.920
<v Speaker 1>And finally years later he found out like he's like

0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:36.200
<v Speaker 1>a mythical figure in South Africa. You know, there's a

0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:38.239
<v Speaker 1>documentary that just came out about the whole time it

0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:40.839
<v Speaker 1>sounds like a movie or something. There's a documentary. Well,

0:47:40.920 --> 0:47:44.560
<v Speaker 1>it sounds like that feature film, like something someone would

0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:47.480
<v Speaker 1>make up. I saw a movie like that. You mean,

0:47:47.520 --> 0:47:51.759
<v Speaker 1>I went to Silver Docks and saw The Impostor and

0:47:52.000 --> 0:47:55.000
<v Speaker 1>it was very much like that. Where the one of

0:47:55.000 --> 0:47:58.480
<v Speaker 1>the producers afterwards the Q and it was like he

0:47:58.520 --> 0:48:00.000
<v Speaker 1>was asked if they were going to turn it into

0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:02.200
<v Speaker 1>like a feature film, and he's like, we can't, Like

0:48:02.400 --> 0:48:06.040
<v Speaker 1>there's just too many it's too outlandish that if you

0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:08.600
<v Speaker 1>fictionalized it, people would be like, this is stupid. Why

0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:10.480
<v Speaker 1>did you Why did you make these choices? Do I

0:48:10.480 --> 0:48:14.400
<v Speaker 1>want to see it? Yeah? You should. It's very good, awesome. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>okay if you have a doc recommendary documentary recommendation, so

0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:24.359
<v Speaker 1>I guess it'd be a documentary recommendation, a DOCU wreck.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank thank you. Um, we're always looking for that. Um

0:48:28.800 --> 0:48:30.799
<v Speaker 1>is that correct? Doc you wreck? Because I think I've

0:48:30.800 --> 0:48:35.160
<v Speaker 1>seen that written before. Yeah, I just made it up. Um.

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