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Speaker 2: seven three DP show poll question for the final hour
Speaker 2: of the program, Seaton.
Speaker 5: Last hour we had up there, who career would you
Speaker 5: rather have Bobby Hurley or Danny Hurley?
Speaker 3: Right now? Fifty three percent of the audience saying, Bobby
Speaker 3: Hurley's pretty good, pretty close. Okay.
Speaker 5: I think that I think we're right that maybe people
Speaker 5: have forgotten just how huge Duke was thirty years ago
Speaker 5: or whatever, that that was a massive four year run.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but maybe they didn't like Duke.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I didn't like Duke, But looking back now,
Speaker 5: it's like, man, that was a hell of an accomplishment.
Speaker 3: They were a deal, that big deal. Back then yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 5: We also had up there free edged quarterback you would
Speaker 5: sign right now. Aaron Rodgers has thirty seven percent of
Speaker 5: that audience, followed by Russell Wilson, Gardner Minshew and Jameis Winston.
Speaker 3: Not really in this one. Yeah, I didn't think they
Speaker 3: would be. Yeah, yeah, that's not And.
Speaker 2: I think it would be a sneaky little pickup if
Speaker 2: the Brown's got Kirk Cousins. All you want is stability.
Speaker 2: If you're a bad team, at least give me something
Speaker 2: that's stable. You know, the Raiders bringing in Gino Smith,
Speaker 2: I thought it was a really good decision. He can
Speaker 2: be there for a couple of years. If you draft
Speaker 2: Ashton gent you got a really good running back, you
Speaker 2: got a really good tight end, you got Max Crosby,
Speaker 2: and maybe a new direction.
Speaker 3: For this team.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that would preclude them from maybe
Speaker 2: if Shador Sanders fell in their lap and they took
Speaker 2: him instead of Ashton Genty the running back. But at
Speaker 2: a Boise State I don't, you know, not quite sure,
Speaker 2: And it's the lying season right now, nobody's going to
Speaker 2: tell you the truth what they're doing. I'm assuming Tennessee
Speaker 2: is taking cam Ward but do the Giants give them
Speaker 2: an offer that they can't refuse? What's cleveland do it too?
Speaker 2: If you got your quarterback, let's say, and Kirk Cousins,
Speaker 2: or maybe you got Russell Wilson.
Speaker 6: Huh.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't rule that out.
Speaker 2: But you know, the Colts reportedly they tried to entertain
Speaker 2: the idea of bring in Sam Darnold.
Speaker 3: Now you bring in Danny Dimes and.
Speaker 2: And there's there was a lot of talk yesterday McAfee's
Speaker 2: show talked about you know, if you're Anthony Richardson demand
Speaker 2: of Trade twenty two, you got no business demanding anything.
Speaker 2: You can go in there and say, hey, is it
Speaker 2: best if I go and try to find, you know,
Speaker 2: another place? You know, what's my future here? Because Daniel
Speaker 2: Jones is coming in to compete. He is coming in
Speaker 2: to be the starting quarterback. And it's not like you're
Speaker 2: bringing in Joe Montana. If you're Anthony Richardson, now's the
Speaker 2: time you need to grow up. Not let me run
Speaker 2: away from the problem. Attack the problem, win the job.
Speaker 2: They you know, management has their butt on the line.
Speaker 2: They went all in on you and drafted you a
Speaker 2: lot higher than a lot of people had.
Speaker 3: You graded.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Pauline, You've always said, sometimes you call a player
Speaker 7: a bust. Anthony Richardson didn't draft himself fourth overall. He
Speaker 7: got benched at Florida his last year there. He was
Speaker 7: a spotty at best college passer who had these unbelievable
Speaker 7: running and long distance highlights. Sounds like what he did
Speaker 7: last year with the Colts. Every couple of weeks he
Speaker 7: would have this great highlight. But then he's a forty
Speaker 7: six percent passer.
Speaker 3: Well, what is going to hang with him?
Speaker 6: Linger?
Speaker 2: Is him asking out of a game. A key has
Speaker 2: to overcome that. He has to say, Hey, that's not
Speaker 2: who I am. But he's only twenty two, and I
Speaker 2: mean that is so young. I mean used to be
Speaker 2: quarterbacks got their chances to play when they were twenty
Speaker 2: four to twenty five, twenty six, twenty two. He acts
Speaker 2: like it, he plays like it. But if you've saw
Speaker 2: enough to draft him, then see this all the way through.
Speaker 2: Give him another year, but make em earn the job.
Speaker 2: You bring in Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3: Great.
Speaker 2: I think it's a great decision by the Colts. Bring
Speaker 2: him in now, Anthony Richardson, Now show me who you
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Speaker 2: Dave Roberts, the Dodgers manager. They extended his contract. Looks
Speaker 2: like Arizona State is keeping Bobby Hurley another losing season
Speaker 2: and for ASU.
Speaker 3: And that's why.
Speaker 2: We were bringing up the pole question of would you
Speaker 2: rather have Bobby Hurley's career or Danny Hurley's career. Certainly
Speaker 2: I said Danny because it's now and it's continuing where
Speaker 2: Bobby is holding on to a thread to keep his job.
Speaker 2: But what he did when he was at Duke in
Speaker 2: the nineties pretty much unsurpassed, unmatched with how great they
Speaker 2: were and how great he was. But and then we
Speaker 2: brought up McAuley Cockin and Kieran Cockin. Of course, as
Speaker 2: most shows will do. Karen Cockin big deal. Now McAuley
Speaker 2: Cockin one of the biggest childhood movie stars that we've
Speaker 2: had in our lifetime.
Speaker 8: Yes, Marvin, and I also forgot Bobby Hurley was on
Speaker 8: the one team that did beat the Dream Team. Okay,
Speaker 8: oh watch the documentary by the way, we beat the
Speaker 8: Dream Team on Max. Yeah, Bobby Hurley was running through
Speaker 8: those guys. They didn't have anybody to guard him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's I don't know how big a deal. O.
Speaker 9: Win is a win. Win is a win. Win is
Speaker 9: a win. Greatest team ever assembled? Okay, all right? Yes
Speaker 9: to and coach k.
Speaker 10: In that documentary swears that they let them win. That
Speaker 10: they didn't have Michael Jordan playing very much, and Chuck
Speaker 10: Daily didn't mix switches that he normally would.
Speaker 3: It was a game that meant something.
Speaker 2: They didn't play their harnessed if Wayne played our harness,
Speaker 2: then they wouldn't have had a chance.
Speaker 3: Thank you, coach. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I go back every once in a while at NBA
Speaker 7: TV and watched the Dream Team documentary, and my favorite
Speaker 7: note is that Chuck Daily didn't use a timeout during
Speaker 7: the entire Olympics.
Speaker 9: Let's get this going.
Speaker 2: I would have called a timeout to say, hey, we
Speaker 2: haven't called a timeout.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to call one. I want to get
Speaker 3: a little TV time here.
Speaker 5: What a funny like I don't know if that's a
Speaker 5: stat or like nugget or whatever, but they didn't call
Speaker 5: a time out the entire Olympics.
Speaker 3: That's that's hilarious.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: Stephen A.
Speaker 2: Smith, ESPN First Take host has had a lot of
Speaker 2: things to say about Lebron James and can can we
Speaker 2: bring up do you have the original? This is what
Speaker 2: stephen A said. Was this about a month ago? Marvin,
Speaker 2: what was it?
Speaker 9: Jerry Ninethe?
Speaker 2: Okay, So January twenty ninth, stephen A said this on
Speaker 2: his show on First Tick.
Speaker 11: I'm really really trying to be as respectful as I
Speaker 11: possibly can be towards Lebron James, one of the top
Speaker 11: two or three players in the history of basketball, Number
Speaker 11: two in my eyes, a treasure to the game of
Speaker 11: basketball that we should and will all miss when he
Speaker 11: is gone. I am pleading with Lebron James as a father,
Speaker 11: stop this, Stop this.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: He's referring to Bronnie being out on the floor against
Speaker 2: the seventy six ers and Tyrese Maxey embarrassed him, truly
Speaker 2: embarrassed him. I don't know why stephen A has to
Speaker 2: give us the resume of Lebron. I thought that was
Speaker 2: kind of blabbering. Just get to the point, you're bothered
Speaker 2: by Lebron that he put his son in this situation
Speaker 2: where he's getting embarrassed on Teving Yes, pony.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And it feels like stephen A and he referenced
Speaker 7: it the other day when he recapped this, he was
Speaker 7: talking about the entire past year as well, the efforts
Speaker 7: to get Bronnie James on the Lakers, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Right, So, stephen A was on Gilbert Arena's podcast, Gil's
Speaker 2: Arena and had this to say about a run in
Speaker 2: with Lebron on the sidelines recently, and stephen A was
Speaker 2: asked about that.
Speaker 9: I thought it was weak. I thought it was some books.
Speaker 2: Okay, first of all, it's not weak because week would
Speaker 2: have been tweeting something out. He confronted you, so that's
Speaker 2: not weak. They didn't push him or anything. There were
Speaker 2: words exchanged, and then stephen A had this to say
Speaker 2: about lebron James.
Speaker 11: You said, my son, thought was it?
Speaker 6: I was talking about you. I was talking about you, yet.
Speaker 4: One about your son. I know he's number fifty five.
Speaker 4: I know he got work to do. I believe that
Speaker 4: he got potential. I believe that he got the potential
Speaker 4: to go pro I truly believe that's gonna be tough,
Speaker 4: but I think he could pull it off. And by
Speaker 4: the way, and root for him. I ain't ruled against nobody,
Speaker 4: but I'll talk about yod you you did this. You
Speaker 4: don't want that had us as reported as a league,
Speaker 4: as an NBA franch I've almost got to sit back
Speaker 4: and be quiet and capitulate to you.
Speaker 2: Okay, So steven a is he's all fired up talking
Speaker 2: about Lebron. Lebron the father and what he did to
Speaker 2: his son to get him on the Lakers. It's not
Speaker 2: like Lebron sent his son to Afghanistan. His son is
Speaker 2: on the Lakers acting like he's the fifty fifth player drafted.
Speaker 2: He's a bench player. He goes back and forth to
Speaker 2: the G League. And oh, by the way, how many
Speaker 2: guys have been embarrassed by Tyrese Maxi in an NBA game?
Speaker 3: Quite a few. It just felt.
Speaker 2: It felt like it was over and above what needed
Speaker 2: to be said. We all understandie Ronnie's not going to
Speaker 2: be in the league when Lebron retires. He's just not
Speaker 2: good enough to play. He can be a G League guy.
Speaker 2: Should have stayed another year at USC, But his dad
Speaker 2: is probably saying, I don't know how much longer I'm
Speaker 2: going to play. I want to play with you. This
Speaker 2: has been his goal. He was able to pull strings
Speaker 2: and he was able to make this happen. People had
Speaker 2: a problem with that. A son wanting to play with
Speaker 2: his father, I'm going to use, you know, all my
Speaker 2: cache and he was able to do that. He wants
Speaker 2: to be around his son. By all accounts, his son
Speaker 2: was raised properly and seems like a really, really good kid.
Speaker 3: But when you.
Speaker 2: Start talking about somebody's parenting, like that's where it felt
Speaker 2: like it was. You know, if I'm Lebron, that's a
Speaker 2: trigger point where you're like, okay, now now your question
Speaker 2: to me is a father, that would be the problem
Speaker 2: that I would have with this, And he's saying it
Speaker 2: in such a dramatic way all I mean, come on,
Speaker 2: I mean, Brownie's doing okay, I'm gonna get his ass
Speaker 2: kicked a little bit. So what do I blame jj
Speaker 2: Reddick for putting him out there? Do I say to Lebron, Lebron,
Speaker 2: I don't want him out there on Tyres maxing? I mean,
Speaker 2: there's culpability here, there's blame to go around. But you know,
Speaker 2: steven A showing up and Lebron is going to say
Speaker 2: something to you in person that's not week Week would
Speaker 2: have been tweeting it out or having somebody from your
Speaker 2: management company, your agency reach out to stephen A, but
Speaker 2: we make it seeing and I brought this up. I
Speaker 2: don't know did stephen A say to Michael Jordan. I'm
Speaker 2: pleading with with you be a better father. Your son
Speaker 2: got pulled over for driving under the influence and he's
Speaker 2: a thirty year old man. No, he didn't, is Lebron?
Speaker 2: I mean, is this, you know, bad parenting?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Pull, I'm okay with steven A critiquing Lebron's basketball decisions.
Speaker 7: And one of his basketball decisions was working the Lakers
Speaker 7: to get them to add his son to the roster.
Speaker 7: So as long as it stays in that lane of
Speaker 7: we're critiquing a sports move here or a sports decision,
Speaker 7: which I think he is. That word father, I bet
Speaker 7: you bothered Lebron a lot, just like you said. But
Speaker 7: if he said Lebron made a mistake and shouldn't be
Speaker 7: using his influence to change a Laker roster for an
Speaker 7: inferior player, yeah, A lot of people have said that
Speaker 7: wouldn't be the first.
Speaker 3: And I agree with that.
Speaker 2: Lebron was going to put an inferior product on the bench,
Speaker 2: maybe playing in games. Now he's not going to be
Speaker 2: playing in important games, but somebody lost their spot because
Speaker 2: Bronnie's going to be on the bench. Bronnie and I
Speaker 2: got to see him in the limited time at USC,
Speaker 2: and he was nowhere near the best player on his
Speaker 2: own team the G League. He's had a couple of
Speaker 2: moments there. He's just not ready for this. Lebron wants
Speaker 2: him to be able. He wants to be able to
Speaker 2: play with him. I understand that he wants to be
Speaker 2: around his son. There are worse things. Did he use
Speaker 2: you know, his power? Yes he did. I mean parents
Speaker 2: do that all the time. You might try to help
Speaker 2: them get into USC. Hypothetically, he might try to help
Speaker 2: your kids get into USC. Now, the father part of it,
Speaker 2: that's what would be the trigger for Lebron, James ys Marvin.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Night one when they did the whole playing together thing, Yeah,
Speaker 8: I was kind of thrown off by that. But now
Speaker 8: Broni's doing what the fifty fifth pick in the NBA draft.
Speaker 8: He's doing what they do, playing really good basketball in
Speaker 8: the G League and sitting the bench in the NBA.
Speaker 9: So he's doing what the fifty fifth pick does.
Speaker 8: It's not like he was the seventeenth pick and don't
Speaker 8: connect was there, he's a fifty fifth pick. Name another
Speaker 8: fifty fifth pick.
Speaker 2: I'll wait, yeah, I mean I don't know what people expected.
Speaker 2: You know, should he have been the fifty fifth pick?
Speaker 2: You can make an argument, No, he shouldn't have he
Speaker 2: shouldn't have been drafted.
Speaker 5: Yes, there are a lot of truly terrible fathers in
Speaker 5: the world who do awful, awful, awful things. I would
Speaker 5: imagine not getting your son into the NBA to play
Speaker 5: for the Lakers is probably pretty far down on the
Speaker 5: list of horrible things you could do as a father.
Speaker 5: I mean, as a father, you've got to stop doing this,
Speaker 5: like what he's playing for the Lakers. How yeah, wow, Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's really crappy parenting.
Speaker 2: He got it, okay, if he didn't get embarrassed by
Speaker 2: Tyrese Maxey.
Speaker 3: Would stephen A have said this?
Speaker 2: Because I watched it, And yes, Bronnie had no business
Speaker 2: out there. But Tyreem Maxie is one of the top
Speaker 2: twenty players in the game. You know, Bronnie is at
Speaker 2: the end of the bench. Should he have been out there?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: Did lebron say to JJ Reddick, Hey, can you put
Speaker 2: him out there? Then I have a problem with it.
Speaker 2: JJ Reddick's got to run a team. He's not running
Speaker 2: Lebron's team. You got to prove that this is your team.
Speaker 2: And if you put him in because bron said put
Speaker 2: in my son, then I have a problem with that.
Speaker 3: Yes, Mark, I do.
Speaker 9: Remember that post game. After that game J J.
Speaker 8: Reddick Bronny had a couple of good games, he said, oh,
Speaker 8: you know, let me just put him out there, just
Speaker 8: see what he can do. I said, the South Bay Lakers, Hey,
Speaker 8: that's a whole different animal than Tyreese.
Speaker 9: MAXI. Yes, he wouldn't play nobody. It is good.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, no no. But I
Speaker 2: don't think this is makes him a bad parent. It
Speaker 2: may make his basketball decisions questionable because this is putting
Speaker 2: an inferior product out there while you guys were struggling
Speaker 2: at the time, or we didn't know how good the
Speaker 2: Lakers were going to be.
Speaker 3: Yes, Ton, But.
Speaker 10: If you're not dramatic and viral about it and making
Speaker 10: a whole big deal about it, the whole thing.
Speaker 9: He could have easily said, there's a million ways you
Speaker 9: could say, talk about nepotism, what is Brownie doing out there?
Speaker 9: And then you move on to fifty other stories.
Speaker 10: But when you say it in that dramatic flair.
Speaker 9: Then all of a sudden, this is such a.
Speaker 2: Big Well, No, Steven, he's an entertainer. Let's make no
Speaker 2: mistake about it. That's what this is. He's entertaining people.
Speaker 2: If he would have said, you can't put him out there,
Speaker 2: Tyrees Masey, you know, totally toasted him and then you
Speaker 2: move on to something else, then nobody cares.
Speaker 3: But to say it in a breathless way, that's the entertainer.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Point.
Speaker 7: I did go back and look at the draft to
Speaker 7: be fair, and the Lakers taking Brownie at fifty five.
Speaker 7: They passed on Ulrich Comacchi, who's averaging point seven points
Speaker 7: per game from Memphis.
Speaker 3: Big mistake by that, But is his dad on the
Speaker 3: Memphis team? I am checking. Okay, see if he's mister Camachi.
Speaker 3: Yeah to you, Yeah, see ltus.
Speaker 5: If you look at the Lakers roster, they have twenty
Speaker 5: four players listed, and in terms of like minutes, you know,
Speaker 5: average minutes, say, Bronnie is twenty third of twenty fourth,
Speaker 5: So I mean, come on, wait, he's starting, you know
Speaker 5: he's not you know who's twenty fourth in minutes on
Speaker 5: the Laker bench.
Speaker 3: Maxwell Lewis. Wow, good, mad you got jobs. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: Dad's not good enough to be in the NBA, so
Speaker 2: he gets some playing time. You got to get my
Speaker 2: son in and MAXI gets some run here. I think
Speaker 2: I got to be a little bit more breathless when
Speaker 2: I deliver things like that. That's how you go viral.
Speaker 9: As a father. As a father, I know you can
Speaker 9: talk about me as a father.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, Marvin, you can't say that.
Speaker 5: Which is better as a father that your dad getting
Speaker 5: your kid to play for the Lakers or completely ignoring
Speaker 5: that they exist publicly?
Speaker 9: Whole question who He didn't say it like he was
Speaker 9: on drugs or anything.
Speaker 3: No, Ronnie's a good kid.
Speaker 12: Yeah, you know that goat stunt isn't on. Never mind,
Speaker 12: take a break here, lads, take a break. We're gonna
Speaker 12: talk to Jason Garrett. If Joanna sign loan from NBC,
Speaker 12: We're back after this.
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Speaker 2: Always great to see Jason Garrett back on the program. Coach,
Speaker 2: good to talk to you again. Let me put you
Speaker 2: in the Minnesota Vikings situation. JJ McCarthy coming off an injury,
Speaker 2: would you entertain the idea of bringing in Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 6: I don't like that decision for them right now. I
Speaker 6: think you want to create an atmosphere and environment for
Speaker 6: JJ McCarthy to be the quarterback of your team. And
Speaker 6: I don't think you want to have a guy who's
Speaker 6: as accomplished as Aaron has been throughout his career. I
Speaker 6: think you probably want to have a more traditional veteran
Speaker 6: backup who can go in and play for short periods
Speaker 6: of time. I think Aaron Rodgers wants to be a
Speaker 6: quarterback of one of the thirty two teams. I don't
Speaker 6: think he wants to be a backup. And I think
Speaker 6: you made that decision with pick ten last year that
Speaker 6: JJ McCarthy's going to be your guy, and I think
Speaker 6: you stick with it and create a great environment for him.
Speaker 3: What are the Steelers doing or what should they do?
Speaker 6: I think they should really entertain going to get Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 6: I really do he played better when he was healthier
Speaker 6: at the end of last year for me, when you
Speaker 6: analyze his career, A really interesting crossroads came when Matt
Speaker 6: Leaflora was hired as the head coach of the Packers,
Speaker 6: and Aaron had done things a certain way in the
Speaker 6: system for a long time, and Matt Laflour had come
Speaker 6: from an offense where they were under center more with
Speaker 6: the quarterback. They ran the ball, play action, maybe a
Speaker 6: little different than Aaron wanted to play, and I think
Speaker 6: there was probably some tension between those two guys early on,
Speaker 6: but eventually they kind of settled that, Hey, we're going
Speaker 6: to do some things that Aaron does well, but we're
Speaker 6: also going to do some things that I want to
Speaker 6: do as the head coach. I want to run the ball,
Speaker 6: I want to run play action stuff from under center.
Speaker 6: And they got to that marriage, and I think that
Speaker 6: worked out well for them, And so in Pittsburgh, I
Speaker 6: would try to do the same thing. I would not
Speaker 6: do what the Jets did and say, Aaron, you're the quarterback,
Speaker 6: but you're also the offensive coordinator and let's play GM two.
Speaker 6: When you bring your guys in, I would fit them
Speaker 6: in and say, hey, this is the way we want
Speaker 6: to play in Pittsburgh. We want to play great defense,
Speaker 6: we want to run the ball, play action pass, and oh,
Speaker 6: by the way, we're going to create an environment for you,
Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers, to do what you do best. And I
Speaker 6: would blend it that way. And I think at forty
Speaker 6: one years old, Aaron Rodgers would embrace that. I think
Speaker 6: he'd embrace maybe taking some of the burden off of
Speaker 6: him to do everything every snap like he did for
Speaker 6: a long time. I think he would understand and playing
Speaker 6: for one of these incredible foundational teams and the Pittsburgh
Speaker 6: Steelers like he did with the Packers, I think he'd
Speaker 6: embrace that. And I think if you could fit into
Speaker 6: how they want to play, I think it could be
Speaker 6: a good marriage.
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if you had contact with somebody before you
Speaker 2: signed them in free agency legally, but like Mike Tomlin,
Speaker 2: if you're Mike Tomlin, would you reach out to Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers and say, let's not waste time here. If we
Speaker 2: can help each other great? Did you ever do that
Speaker 2: as the head coach of the Cowboys, to reach out
Speaker 2: to say I need to get an idea where you
Speaker 2: are right now?
Speaker 6: Well, I think you have to be really careful with
Speaker 6: tampering rules and all of that. I think everybody knows
Speaker 6: with how these free agency rules and logistics have changed
Speaker 6: in recent years, that they have this dead period to
Speaker 6: a lot of people talking to the dead period, But
Speaker 6: I think you got to be careful about being direct.
Speaker 6: But I do think they are representatives that can talk
Speaker 6: to representatives, can talk to representatives to get the idea
Speaker 6: out that Hey, we want you in Pittsburgh. What's your interest?
Speaker 3: Is it a resurgence of the running back position?
Speaker 6: Well not in my mind. The running back position never
Speaker 6: left in my mind. And I don't want to be
Speaker 6: one of those guys. But I've been banging this drum forever.
Speaker 6: You know. I played for the Cowboys for eight years
Speaker 6: and we won three Super Bowls, and our running back
Speaker 6: was EMMITTT. Smith, the leading rusher in NFL history, And
Speaker 6: I just saw the impact that he made on the
Speaker 6: entire team, the ability to run the football with a
Speaker 6: guy like that. We handed the ball to him twenty
Speaker 6: five times a game. He made the offensive line better,
Speaker 6: and the offensive line was really good. He made the
Speaker 6: quarterback better, and the quarterback was really good. He made
Speaker 6: the receivers better, the tight ends better. He made the
Speaker 6: defense better, and all of those guys made him better.
Speaker 6: And it was just the way to play football. And
Speaker 6: we won three Super Bowls in four years. And I
Speaker 6: haven't changed from that, you know. When I became the
Speaker 6: head coach the Cowboys, that's the kind of team we
Speaker 6: wanted to build. We drafted lineman, We drafted running backs.
Speaker 6: You know. DeMarco Murray in twenty fourteen led the league
Speaker 6: in rushing. Oh, by the way, it happened to be
Speaker 6: Tony Romo's best years of pro Dak Prescott in twenty
Speaker 6: sixteen won thirteen games as a rookie. Oh, by the way,
Speaker 6: Zeke Elliott led the league in rushing. You know. So
Speaker 6: the value of the running back to me has not changed.
Speaker 6: They're so impactful. And I've said this before, and Devin
Speaker 6: mccordy and I talk about this a lot. I think
Speaker 6: the New England Patriots and Tom Brady distorted the value
Speaker 6: of the running back. When Tom Brady's your quarterback, you
Speaker 6: can load up on defense, and you can only you know,
Speaker 6: you don't have to draft lineman real high, and you
Speaker 6: don't really need an every down running back, you know,
Speaker 6: because he was so amazing at making the whole situation work,
Speaker 6: and then people said, hey, you know, you don't need
Speaker 6: running backs, you know, and not that they didn't have
Speaker 6: good running backs in New England. They had role player
Speaker 6: running backs. They didn't have the marquee guy that were
Speaker 6: going to hand the ball to twenty twenty five times
Speaker 6: a game. And for me, that changed everybody's perception of
Speaker 6: running backs that hey, you don't need this guy. Well
Speaker 6: maybe you don't if you have the best. If we're
Speaker 6: going to make mount rushmore of players, the first face
Speaker 6: your chiseling is Tom Brady. Well, if you have that
Speaker 6: guy as your quarterback, maybe you don't need a running back.
Speaker 6: But short of that, the running back helps everybody else.
Speaker 6: And I do think it's fun for me to see
Speaker 6: the resurgence because I think it's just a reaffirmation of
Speaker 6: those values.
Speaker 2: We're talking to Jason Garrett Football Night in America analyst,
Speaker 2: But that brings me to Anshton Gent. We had an
Speaker 2: analyst who said, reminds me of Emmett Smith by faster.
Speaker 6: Did you tell that analyst that Emmitt Smith rushed for
Speaker 6: over eighteen thousand yards in the NFL? Yeah, and he
Speaker 6: was kind of good. If you remind you of Emmitt Smith,
Speaker 6: but he's fast. You probably should draft him. And I
Speaker 6: just think you gotta be careful of talking about reminds
Speaker 6: me of that, you know, one of the greatest players
Speaker 6: ever to play in the NFL. But you know, I
Speaker 6: can see what they're saying. He seems to be a
Speaker 6: guy that is not overly flashy, but it's hard to tackle.
Speaker 6: He's got excellent contact balance, always finishing forward. You know,
Speaker 6: those guys make a difference on your team. And you know,
Speaker 6: we were talking on Football Night in America all year long,
Speaker 6: maybe the last half of the year, who's going to
Speaker 6: be the MVP? And in about week seventeen, I blurted out,
Speaker 6: how about Saquon Barkley? Right? I mean, do you think
Speaker 6: he had an impact on that team? The offensive line
Speaker 6: was great, I get all that, but when you have
Speaker 6: a runner who rushes for twenty one hundred yards in
Speaker 6: sixteen games and you don't think that's going to positively
Speaker 6: impact your quarterback. One of the best things that Kellen
Speaker 6: Moore did in the Super Bowl Dan is he kept
Speaker 6: running the football, uh seikwe I think was twenty four
Speaker 6: cares for fifty seven yards. There were forty seven Kansas
Speaker 6: City Chiefs on the line of scrimmage trying to stop
Speaker 6: Sakwon Barkley right, and all of a sudden, aj Brown
Speaker 6: is a big game and these receivers, well, it's because
Speaker 6: of the it's because of the runner and the threat
Speaker 6: of the running game that you have to load people
Speaker 6: up and you create favorable looks outside and it certainly
Speaker 6: helps your quarterback too. So if Gent is like Emmitt
Speaker 6: Smith but only faster, you should be the first pick
Speaker 6: of the draft.
Speaker 2: The Commanders were great surprise last year, but as I've
Speaker 2: cautioned people, they did win a lot of games on
Speaker 2: the last drive, last possession, last second, and it's hard
Speaker 2: to sustain something like that. Yet, Jane Daniels was wonderful
Speaker 2: and they have gone out and gotten some other pieces here,
Speaker 2: and I do like that. But if you're going to
Speaker 2: handicap Commanders in the Eagles, what's the what's the separation
Speaker 2: between those two, at least right now going into next season?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Philadelphia is still a cut above and
Speaker 6: and Philadelphia is losing players, and that's what happens when
Speaker 6: you have a championship team like they do, and they're
Speaker 6: so talented. But but Howie Roseman has done an amazing
Speaker 6: job building the team, and you know we're talking about
Speaker 6: it earlier. You know, one of one of Jeff Bezos's
Speaker 6: fourteen leadership principles is UH is great leaders are right
Speaker 6: a lot and uh And you know when you can
Speaker 6: I become a billionaire if I come up with silly
Speaker 6: things like that. Yeah, but but it's true. You know,
Speaker 6: if you simplify it, you got to be right a lot,
Speaker 6: and you have to be right in personnel because ultimately
Speaker 6: that's what separates teams. You can have the greatest personnel
Speaker 6: process there is how we how we talk about it,
Speaker 6: how we go out on the road, or reports, all
Speaker 6: that kind of stuff. But when it comes to nutcutting
Speaker 6: time and you got to pick a player, you got
Speaker 6: to pick the right one. And Devin and I were
Speaker 6: laughing about it. With pick one, the New England Patriots
Speaker 6: took Tom Brady in the year two thousand, middle of
Speaker 6: the fourth round. In twenty sixteen, we drafted Dak Prescott.
Speaker 6: You know, there's a lot of other guys that you're
Speaker 6: talking about, you're thinking about, but you got to pick
Speaker 6: the right guys. And how he's done an amazing job
Speaker 6: both in free agency and in the draft picking the
Speaker 6: right guys for Philadelphia. So even though they're losing guys,
Speaker 6: I have confidence in him to keep that thing going.
Speaker 2: Can you be honest with me, would the Cowboys have
Speaker 2: taken Connor Cook out of Michigan State if he was
Speaker 2: available the pick before you guys took Dak Connor Cook went.
Speaker 2: I think to the Raiders from what I always told you,
Speaker 2: guys were higher on Connor Cook than Dak Prescott.
Speaker 6: Well, I'll take you through that whole draft. You know.
Speaker 6: You know, right at the top of the draft, we
Speaker 6: had the fourth pick and we drafted Zeke Elliott, which
Speaker 6: to me, it was a fantastic pick. He, you know,
Speaker 6: really changed our team in so many ways. But the
Speaker 6: quarterbacks went first, Jared Goff and Carson Wentz and then
Speaker 6: you know, the next guy up was Paxton Lynch. So
Speaker 6: there's conversation at the bottom of the first round about
Speaker 6: Paxton Lynch, should we trade up, should we do this,
Speaker 6: should we do that? I mean a lot of conversations
Speaker 6: about that. And then you know, there were other guys
Speaker 6: I'm trying to think who was in the maybe in
Speaker 6: the third round somebody went and then and then it
Speaker 6: got to Connor Cook, and the Connor Cook discussion was
Speaker 6: more about he played in the dropback system at Michigan State.
Speaker 6: He was under center. You know, we felt like Dak
Speaker 6: Prescott was one of the five guys in the draft
Speaker 6: that could be a starting quarterback for us in the league.
Speaker 6: But he was a guy, and I'll be honest with you,
Speaker 6: I thought it was going to take him time because
Speaker 6: he played in the gun. There was a lot of
Speaker 6: quarterback run and at the time that's not what we
Speaker 6: were doing, and so he had all the stuff, but
Speaker 6: it was like, huh, you know, he's probably two or
Speaker 6: three years away. Well, sure enough, he wins thirteen games
Speaker 6: as a rookie, so there goes that part of the evaluation.
Speaker 6: But we had no doubt about Dak in terms of
Speaker 6: we were all in on this guy can be our
Speaker 6: quarterback in the future. It just seemed like Connor Cook
Speaker 6: was more ready to be our backup right now and
Speaker 6: then possibly the quarterback in the future. And and Oakland
Speaker 6: traded up to get him. We fell back. We took
Speaker 6: a defensive lineman from Oklahoma in the fourth before we
Speaker 6: took Dak in the fourth, So you know, all those
Speaker 6: different things when you reflect back on him certainly fell
Speaker 6: favorably for us, but he ended up being an amazing
Speaker 6: pick and a great player for US.
Speaker 2: So I was correct that you guys liked Connor Cook
Speaker 2: more than you did Dak Prescott.
Speaker 6: We did.
Speaker 2: We had healthy discussions about you guys liked Paxton Lynch.
Speaker 2: Didn't Jerry love Paxton Lynch?
Speaker 6: Yeah. And you know one thing that I always laugh
Speaker 6: about is that, you know, people go back afterwards in
Speaker 6: the draft and say, you know, there's like revisionist history.
Speaker 6: You guys would have taken him. You guys would have
Speaker 6: taken you literally talk about three hundred players all day long. Hey,
Speaker 6: what would happen if this guy fell back? Would you
Speaker 6: trade up for him? So if you went back and
Speaker 6: and and transcribed those conversations, you know, history would be different. Right.
Speaker 6: You know there's always the story that Bill Walsh like
Speaker 6: Steve Dills better than Joe Montana. Well he ended up
Speaker 6: drafting Joe Montana.
Speaker 2: So I got all Cody Kessler, Cody Kessler, Christian Hackenberg,
Speaker 2: Jacobe brissaid, those are the other quarterbacks that were taken
Speaker 2: before Dak Prescott.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and and and we felt we felt great about Dak.
Speaker 6: I'll give you a good story about that. You know,
Speaker 6: Wade Wilson uh was our quarterback coach for years. I
Speaker 6: don't remember way we passed a few years ago, but
Speaker 6: he was one of my teammates. He played nineteen years
Speaker 6: in the NFL, and there was our quarterback forever. And
Speaker 6: Wade never liked quarterbacks, like he would go work guys
Speaker 6: out and you know, in for the draft. I mean,
Speaker 6: and I would say, Wade, what'd you think of that guy?
Speaker 6: He can't play, He can't play, he can't play. I mean,
Speaker 6: this went on for years. Dan, it went on for
Speaker 6: a year, and I'm like, he can't play, I can't play.
Speaker 6: I'm like, at some point we got to like one
Speaker 6: of these guys will never draft anybody, and I'll never
Speaker 6: forget it. I think it was a Friday night he
Speaker 6: called me early March leading up to that twenty sixteen
Speaker 6: draft and he said, I think we got one. Oh well,
Speaker 6: I said what He's like, Yeah, I'm down here in Starkville, Mississippi.
Speaker 6: I think we got a quarterback. And he just raved
Speaker 6: about Dak. He loved him. And then and then if
Speaker 6: you remember this, like two weeks later, Dak gets a
Speaker 6: DUI yeah, yeah, and so I'm like, you know, he
Speaker 6: was the face of the program. Everybody loved him the
Speaker 6: whole deal. He had all stuff you wanted. And he
Speaker 6: gets a DUI and I'm like, hey, here's our guy.
Speaker 6: What the heck you know? And over the next month
Speaker 6: or so, we had some real aggressive conversations with Dak
Speaker 6: about the whole process. And I'll tell you the quick story.
Speaker 6: We used to do this thing for about three hours
Speaker 6: with quarterbacks. We're thinking about draft, and we get him
Speaker 6: in a room, a quarterback room, and it would be
Speaker 6: me and the time was Scott Lenehan who was our coordinator,
Speaker 6: and Wade and some other people. And I would stand
Speaker 6: up there and I would put three plays in from
Speaker 6: our offense, three pass plays, five man protection of six
Speaker 6: man protection of seven man protection. I would talk really fast,
Speaker 6: use all our jargon, give him every rule that we had,
Speaker 6: talk about defense. This is what happened, debt dot dot
Speaker 6: dot dot, and then I would erase it and say, Okay,
Speaker 6: you're up, and now you've got to give it back
Speaker 6: to me. And I would interrupt them on purpose and
Speaker 6: talk really fast and see if they could retain information,
Speaker 6: see if they could spit it back, see how much football.
Speaker 6: He knew all that, but we had a real question
Speaker 6: about about this thing with Dak Prescott, about this dui,
Speaker 6: because she just seems so out of character for him.
Speaker 6: So we get him up on the board and I'm
Speaker 6: talking really fast and put it all in and I'm like,
Speaker 6: all right, you're up. It's an empty whiteboard. Give me
Speaker 6: the first play. And he starts talking and starts going
Speaker 6: through it, and about ten seconds into him like hey, stop, stop, stop, hey, hey,
Speaker 6: give me the story about this dui. Oh okay, and
Speaker 6: so I'm like, hey, get me to the bottom of this,
Speaker 6: and so he tells me the story. It was fantastic.
Speaker 6: It was so accountable and specific detail. I had a
Speaker 6: couple of margaritas after the workout. I was going thirty
Speaker 6: eight and the thirty I got pulled over whatever. I mean.
Speaker 6: It was like and it was clean and it was
Speaker 6: direct and it was accountable and I'm sorry for it
Speaker 6: and whatever whatever.
Speaker 3: I keep going.
Speaker 6: And so he draws up the rest of the play
Speaker 6: and we're asking him, question, stop, hey, go back again.
Speaker 6: You know, you're the face of the program at Mississippi State.
Speaker 6: You know this whole thing. I'm peppering them, and he
Speaker 6: kind of stops and gives me another explanation. Okay, third time,
Speaker 6: he's drawn up another play stop one more time and
Speaker 6: he turns and it was a great answer. He said,
Speaker 6: I said, tell me what happened again on this deal
Speaker 6: And he said, Coach, I don't know what you want
Speaker 6: to tell you. I told you exactly what happened. I
Speaker 6: took accountability for it whatever. And it was just a
Speaker 6: Dak Prescott answer. And I said to myself, I need
Speaker 6: to be quiet. So he finishes up the interview and
Speaker 6: he's phenomenal. I can't tell you how good he is mentally,
Speaker 6: he's just off the charts. So sure enough, he comes
Speaker 6: to the Cowboys, has an amazing start to his career.
Speaker 6: All of that. Wade Wilson tragically passes away about four
Speaker 6: years later. So we're at the repast after the funeral
Speaker 6: and Dak comes up to me. He says, Coach, I
Speaker 6: never told you this story. He said, you remember you
Speaker 6: did that meeting with me before the draft where you
Speaker 6: were talking really fast, interrupted me and all of that.
Speaker 6: I said, yeah, he's like, Wade Wilson told me all
Speaker 6: the answers to the questions before I went in there.
Speaker 6: I said, he's gonna ask you this. He's gonna ask
Speaker 6: you this. He's gonna ask you this. So he said,
Speaker 6: when I got a little frustrated when you kept parting
Speaker 6: with the question. I wasn't mad about the question about
Speaker 6: the DUI. I was mad that I was forgetting all
Speaker 6: the stuff that Wade had already.
Speaker 9: Told me.
Speaker 6: It was a setup.
Speaker 2: Uh that's great. Always great to talk to you. Thanks
Speaker 2: for sharing, and uh we'll talk to you soon. Thank you, Jason,
Speaker 2: you got it. Thanks Jason Garrett, take a break. We're
Speaker 2: back after this.
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Speaker 2: Last call for phone calls, I won't be learned. Junior
Speaker 2: Bridgeman passed away. He was a part owner of the
Speaker 2: Milwaukee Bucks. Great businessman, became a billionaire. I believe he
Speaker 2: was part of the Leuwele Sindor trade and from the
Speaker 2: Lakers to the Milwaukee Bunks. Junior Bridgeman was a very
Speaker 2: good NBA player, great college player. He invested in Chili's
Speaker 2: and Wendy's. I think I think he had over one
Speaker 2: hundred of those locations and became a billionaire. Alrighty, how
Speaker 2: about this Dan in sports history? Paul, This is one
Speaker 2: of one. If you get on YouTube sometime. Larry Bird
Speaker 2: of the Celtics scored sixty points in a game in
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five against the Atlanta Hawks in New Orleans.
Speaker 3: Right, Dan in New Orleans.
Speaker 9: Weirdly, I still don't know why.
Speaker 7: But if you ever want to watch that, watch the
Speaker 7: players on the bench for the Atlanta Hawks, mL Car, Tree,
Speaker 7: Rollins and so forth.
Speaker 6: Is that right?
Speaker 2: mL Carr wouldn't have been on that now it was
Speaker 2: Cliff Levingston, Cliff Livingston and twine Car okay antwine Car.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they're celebrating Larry Bird on the sidelines on the bench.
Speaker 3: It's fascinating YouTube. And we've had Mike Furtello on.
Speaker 2: He was the hawkshead co and boy was he upset
Speaker 2: at his players that they were They're falling all over
Speaker 2: themselves because Bird is throwing up. Bird at one point
Speaker 2: says he's going to take a shot. He tells the
Speaker 2: bench he's going to take a shot, fall out of
Speaker 2: bounds and land I think in the trainer's lap. Bird
Speaker 2: takes a shot in front of the bench, fades away,
Speaker 2: makes it and falls into the bench.
Speaker 8: Yes, Marvin, I think Dominiqu Wilkins was on our show
Speaker 8: and he talked about those guys got fine after that
Speaker 8: because he was so mad about that.
Speaker 2: It's great video on this date. In two thousand and nine,
Speaker 2: Syracuse in six overtimes beats Connecticut in the Big East Tournament.
Speaker 2: Oh how great was that game? Well, not for Marvin,
Speaker 2: but that was a great game. That's a lot of fun, right.
Speaker 9: It was, looking back, it was an amazing game.
Speaker 2: One twenty seven, one seventeen, Syracuse over Yuku. Uh had
Speaker 2: some bit on the line tonight. We talked about that. Uh,
Speaker 2: there's a couple of them.
Speaker 9: You see.
Speaker 2: You have the South Land, you have the Patriot League
Speaker 2: and the Big Sky.
Speaker 3: All right, Todd, would you learn today?
Speaker 10: Jason Garrett says, any team that might compare Ashton genty
Speaker 10: to Emmitt Smith or oh that means only faster than him,
Speaker 10: should draft him right away.
Speaker 3: Seatan, Would you learn Jason Garrett's got stories?
Speaker 9: He does?
Speaker 3: He did text me.
Speaker 2: He apologized for going too long with the Dak Prescott story.
Speaker 3: Marvin, would you learn.
Speaker 9: Today Brooks Robinson broke your heart?
Speaker 3: Yes he did.
Speaker 2: Nineteen seventy the vacuum cleaner. Paul, would you learn.
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