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Speaker 2: all right, John Middlecoff, it's time for our hour plus

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Speaker 2: on a Sunday. He is the former NFL scout for

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Speaker 2: the Philadelphia Eagles Three and Out podcast. Let's start with

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Speaker 2: a team you're near and dear to the Philadelphia Eagles.

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Speaker 2: So they did it on the ground, in the air.

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Speaker 2: They beat the Jags twenty eight to twenty three. Although

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Speaker 2: Jacksonville with a massive late game comeback, Trevor Lawrence one

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Speaker 2: got a little loose onomy threw a pick in the

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Speaker 2: end zone. You know, my takeaway on this is I'll

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Speaker 2: go back to saying this, Jalen's not making the mistakes

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Speaker 2: and Barkley, Saquon Barkley's absolutely. With Christian McCaffrey not playing yet,

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Speaker 2: Barkley is the best running back in the league. And

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Speaker 2: I think what Jalen hurts as they win today, My

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Speaker 2: take is they've gotten him out of the position where

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Speaker 2: I don't feel like he's ad libbing or out of

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Speaker 2: control like I thought Jordan loved today for the Packers.

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Speaker 2: Was out of control multiple times. I kind of think

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Speaker 2: Philadelphia's figured out kind of the way to use Jalen.

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Speaker 1: What do you see well, I think Saquon's definitely changed

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Speaker 1: their team. I mean he's been him and Derrick Henry.

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Speaker 1: You talk about additions this offseason, those two guys. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Derek Henry was probably a Hall of Fame player before this.

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Speaker 1: Now he cemented himself. I mean, there's no one's ever

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Speaker 1: questioned Saquon's talent. I mean, what would Penn State do

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Speaker 1: to have that guy right now on their team? I mean,

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Speaker 1: they did have an offensive weapon, But to me, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the only reason that game was close was Sirianni and Kellen.

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Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure what was going on there with

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Speaker 1: some of the play calling. They instead of kicking a

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Speaker 1: field goals, I didn't get that, decided not to do

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Speaker 1: the tush push and they roll him out and he's

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Speaker 1: got nowhere to go, Like right now, their offense, I

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Speaker 1: mean aj Brown, which is a pretty big deal. Not

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Speaker 1: maybe in this game, but I guess they play the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys next week, so not in that game either, but

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Speaker 1: in two weeks against Washington. His presence for them to

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Speaker 1: beat really good teams as a must have. But when

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Speaker 1: you're playing a team like today, DeVante Smith what a

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Speaker 1: draft pick? I mean, I thought, wait, this guy's gonna

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Speaker 1: be one hundred and seventy five pounds.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he would last in this league.

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Speaker 1: How about his one handed to so you had Saquan

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Speaker 1: to him? I mean the guy that had the game

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Speaker 1: winning interception to Kobe Dean. I mean, they have a

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Speaker 1: lot of young defensive players. The last couple of weeks,

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Speaker 1: Nolan Smith has been all over the quarterback like I

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Speaker 1: trust Vic Fangio. To me, it just gets down to

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Speaker 1: Sirianni who if they had lost today Colin to Doug

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Speaker 1: Peterson and the Jags who they had fired do you

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Speaker 1: know who? I mean? Embiid would have been let off

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Speaker 1: the hook. It would have been a Siria. You cannot

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Speaker 1: Saquon fumble, But that's a little too close for comfort

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Speaker 1: given how well their top guys were playing.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean Barkley was great, Jalen went like

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Speaker 2: you know, no interceptions there were. The receivers that were

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Speaker 2: They dominate time of possession. And you look up and

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Speaker 1: It's they were up twenty two. Nothing right. It looked

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Speaker 2: I just I just feel like I kind of feel

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Speaker 2: I didn't trust. I really didn't trust Dan Campbell.

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Speaker 2: I think I think he has grown. I think he's

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Speaker 2: they got real smart, they got real conservative. It was

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Speaker 2: Sirianni's like Dan Campbell a couple of years ago. He's

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Speaker 2: mistakes like yelling at the crowd and get your hands

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Speaker 2: on I want to show how smart I am. And

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Speaker 2: there I just think with Dan Campbell, I've seen growth.

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Speaker 2: I do think he's a better, more mature coach today.

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Speaker 2: And with Siriani, I think they're going to get to

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think in two weeks Colin, I was looking

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Speaker 1: They played the Cowboys this upcoming week, so I mean

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Speaker 1: they can put a nail and it completely in their season.

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Speaker 1: Thursday night, so this upcoming Sunday and then the following

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Speaker 1: Thursday they play Washington, and I think we all agree.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Washington played the Giants today. That game wasn't

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Speaker 1: even a game. But the talent on the two teams,

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Speaker 1: but dan Quinn, Cliff Kingsbury, they have been talk about

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Speaker 1: All the pressure in that game in two weeks or

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Speaker 1: Washington is going to be a playoff team, but they're

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Speaker 2: All right, Atlanta beats the Cowboys twenty seven to twenty one.

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Speaker 2: So if you didn't watch this game, I could sum

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Speaker 2: it up with the multiple false starts, the nine penalties

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Speaker 2: Atlanta's not physically impressive, but Atlanta's really efficient because they

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Speaker 2: brought Kirk Cousins in, who just doesn't make a lot

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Speaker 2: When I watched Dallan US today, Mike McCary, Mike McCarthy's

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Speaker 2: you're a veteran team, you can't have false starts, illegal motions,

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Speaker 2: Like it feels like to me that is so much

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Speaker 2: But I you know, I had said before the year,

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Speaker 2: this was one of my I guess I'm actually wrong

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Speaker 2: on this. I said Dallas won't make the playoffs. It'll

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Speaker 2: be Philadelphia and Washington in that division. It will begin

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Speaker 2: a slight regression. John. They may be a bottom four

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Speaker 2: They're better than the Raiders because of Dak uh Hell

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Speaker 2: Dallas is a bad football team without a lot of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought coming into this week we were gonna learn, like,

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Speaker 1: and being a five or six win team or they

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Speaker 1: gonna have a little heart and battle and you know,

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Speaker 1: have shown some metal throughout the year. I think they're

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Speaker 1: headed toward five or six wins now, Yeah, and today

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Speaker 1: less they left Zeke back at home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: All I had heard from Cowboys people is listen, we

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Speaker 1: the camaraderie, him and Dak are close. And then these

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Speaker 1: stories about he never shows up on time, he's disgruntled.

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Speaker 1: And is that a little bit I'm not putting this

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Speaker 1: And then as the game goes on today it was

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Speaker 1: a reflection of they don't have that much talent. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I mean how often today Jesus even on like just

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Speaker 2: Listen, John, on a fourth and one, they have so

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Speaker 2: little talent in the backfield. On a fourth and one,

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Speaker 2: they had to use deception on a quick on a

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Speaker 2: the great guards ever, they had to get clever and tricky.

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Speaker 2: They have no run game. One of the easiest predictions

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Speaker 2: would have the worst running back room in the league.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we watched Zeke in New England. He can't

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Speaker 2: It's remarkable. Now I'm not saying Derek Henry would be

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Speaker 2: as good as we've talked about in Dallas. As Baltimore,

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Speaker 2: if Ceedee Lamb twisted an ankle, this is the worst

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Speaker 1: I was. I was playing golf the other day with

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Speaker 1: a diehard cowboy fan. This guy's been to countless games

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Speaker 1: over the last thirty years, and I asked him, do

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Speaker 1: you do you think Dak Prescott's better than Tony Romo?

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Speaker 1: And you were always one of Tony's biggest defenders. And

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Speaker 1: he said, you know, I would have told you four

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Speaker 1: or five years ago, yes, but at this point in time,

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Speaker 1: you can't watch these games. Up until Tony's back went,

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Speaker 2: It looks totally under control.

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Speaker 2: No, And this was supposed to be the two game

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Speaker 2: You're better on offensive line, you're better at drafting offensive personnel.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Rams just figure out ways to mix

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Speaker 2: the middle. It is a mess with Caleb Williams mobility,

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Speaker 1: I do think to that moment last week on the

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Speaker 1: Hail Mary was reflective of their head coach, right, because

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Speaker 1: let's take a couple of top defensive coaches, right Tomlin

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Speaker 1: You could never envision that play with that player happening,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's so the Bears. Honestly, this goes

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Speaker 1: It just, you know, upsets the Apple card, which needed

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Speaker 2: Arizona is in first place. I've been saying this.

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Speaker 2: They look good. Now they've got the Jets. You know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Arizona is a sneaky good football team.

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Speaker 2: They they beat San Francisco. They got dudes. Offensively, they

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Speaker 2: are They've got to start every unit and I and

431
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Speaker 2: they're good enough on the offensive line. You've you've been

432
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Speaker 2: on Connor since last year, the running back. So this

433
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Speaker 2: this isn't just about Chicago. Arizona. Arizona keeps you on

434
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Speaker 2: your toes. They didn't even throw the ball for long

435
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Speaker 2: stretches today, they just moved the pocket and highly effective.

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Speaker 1: You know, one thing, remember after they lost Super Bowl

437
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Speaker 1: two years ago, everyone thought Jonathan Gannon was like the

438
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Speaker 1: village idiot, right yeah, because he blew some coverages and

439
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 1: they walked right in for touchdowns. And when he got hired,

440
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Speaker 1: he had some of those moments that kind of went

441
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Speaker 1: viral that made him look like a nerd or whatever.

442
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Speaker 1: All my buddies with the Eagles said they loved him,

443
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Speaker 1: and they said, I'll promise you this. I don't know

444
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Speaker 1: if he's you know, you know Belichick or Bill Walsh schematically,

445
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Speaker 1: but I think he's going to be a better head

446
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Speaker 1: coach than he was a coordinator. And he was a

447
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Speaker 1: pretty good coordinator for us. He's a great leader and

448
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: you watch his teams Niner game, huge comeback, the Dolphins

449
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Speaker 1: win last week, I would say age better today. They

450
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Speaker 1: look way better with Tua, like they look like a

451
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Speaker 1: real football team. They were down double digits on the road.

452
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Speaker 1: Usually West Coast teams flying to the East Coast that

453
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Speaker 1: early kickoff historically have always looked pretty shitty in that spot.

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Speaker 1: They come storming back. And then today you're like, oh,

455
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Speaker 1: this could be a little letdown spot with the Bears,

456
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Speaker 1: little chip on their shoulder, and they came. They look

457
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Speaker 1: like a division. They look like a playoff team.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: And their physicality, I mean Buddha Baker when he's healthy,

460
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Speaker 1: he's flying around. Their defense just well coached, makes a

461
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Speaker 1: bunch of tackles, and they have a physical presence their offense. Yeah.

462
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Speaker 1: And like you said, like I think Kyler, I know,

463
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Speaker 1: and Jonathan Gannon has talked about this all the time,

464
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Speaker 1: and I see him on a bunch of like local

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Speaker 1: TV out here as press conferences. Listen, I can't speak

466
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Speaker 1: to what he was like before me this him talking.

467
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Speaker 1: He has been mature, so that call of duty guy.

468
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Speaker 1: I do think he's been a lot better for them.

469
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Speaker 1: And maybe it's just a bunch of people talking crap

470
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Speaker 1: about him, you know, lights of fire, unders ass, but

471
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Speaker 1: they like him, yeah, I mean just in terms of

472
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Speaker 1: his work ethic relative to what it was for Cliff

473
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Speaker 1: and Kime. I do think. Listen, some humans just we

474
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Speaker 1: all mature at different ages. Some guys are Peyton Manning

475
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Speaker 1: mature at fifteen that's right. Other guys like Baker Mayfield

476
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Speaker 1: mature at twenty eight. Yeah, some guys are like Aaron Rodgers,

477
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Speaker 1: who were still not sure. You know, I think, like

478
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Speaker 1: I do, think we got to be open. You remember

479
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Speaker 1: Kyler was a young player when he came into the NFL. Yeah,

480
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Speaker 1: I do think he's just playing. The way he's playing

481
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Speaker 1: is just pretty high level, competent football and with his

482
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Speaker 1: skill set. Yeah, we've never really seen a player like him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay. Detroit beats Green Bay twenty four to fourteen.

484
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Speaker 2: Brian Branch got ejected for the Lions in the first half, and.

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Speaker 1: I thought, can't happen.

486
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Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, this is It didn't matter.

487
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Speaker 2: It was seventeen three at a half. Jordan Love had to

488
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Speaker 2: pick six. I thought, Jordan Love today was really sloppy. Now,

489
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Speaker 2: it was raining hard when it started, it got worse.

490
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Speaker 2: But I think you and I would agree that we

491
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Speaker 2: thought that was an advantage for Green Bay and goff

492
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Speaker 2: is like seventeen at twenty one. This is I think

493
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Speaker 2: we just have to be honest here. Detroit's the best

494
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Speaker 2: team in the league. Kansas City's got the trophy. Room

495
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Speaker 2: the team I'm watching now the way they play. I

496
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Speaker 2: mean green Bay had ten penalties. Jordan Love had to

497
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Speaker 2: pick six. I mean he missed a lot of open throws. Again,

498
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Speaker 2: some of it's weather. But when you watch green Bay's

499
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Speaker 2: youth and talent, and then you watch remember Detroit. Now,

500
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Speaker 2: those guys aren't as old as San Francisco, but the

501
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Speaker 2: Lions are older, more mature. They marched into Lambeau today

502
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Speaker 2: and it was the grown ups and the really talented kids.

503
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Speaker 2: Like I thought, they just put a foot on them

504
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Speaker 2: really early.

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Speaker 1: You know what I wrote down is about when they

506
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Speaker 1: really took hold of that game in that weather, in

507
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Speaker 1: a driving rain storm. It reminded me of the Belichick

508
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: Brady teams when they would play a team in awful

509
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Speaker 1: weather and you would just look up. It's like they

510
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Speaker 1: are manhandling this team. And historically this is their first

511
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Speaker 1: outdoor game of the year, and Goff has been not

512
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Speaker 1: a very good outdoor player. But I do wonder if

513
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Speaker 1: you remember that night game, Aaron Rodgers' last game. He

514
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Speaker 1: outplayed Aaron Rodgers, I mean thoroughly outplayed in January early January. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I wonder if he's a different part of having Dan

516
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Speaker 1: Campbell like a Hardbob Brother like a Tomlin uplifting you

517
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Speaker 1: that even that extra confidence, they look like a completely

518
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Speaker 1: different squad. Once Jordan Love through to me, I don't

519
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Speaker 1: want to harp too much on the Brian Branch thing.

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Speaker 1: That cannot happen. We can't be throwing players out. One

521
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Speaker 1: of my biggest pet peeves in the world is the

522
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Speaker 1: college thing. Yeah, throwing ninety nine percent of these kids

523
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Speaker 1: will not play in the NFL and throwing them out

524
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Speaker 1: in the NFL. I got no problem throwing a fifteen

525
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Speaker 1: yard penalty, but Brian Branch is now their best defensive

526
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Speaker 1: player to throw him out and it didn't even matter.

527
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Speaker 1: And that's what go back to the Pelajack Patriot thing.

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Speaker 1: It's like you could have removed players. They got you

529
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Speaker 1: in that moment. And the Lions indoor team, like, are

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Speaker 1: they kind of like the greatest show on turf in

531
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Speaker 1: the early two No, they kind of have it both.

532
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: They got that and they kind of got this Patriots.

533
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Speaker 1: Even Brady during the game, he's like, you know, listen,

534
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Speaker 1: this guy has been the most accurate stretch in three

535
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Speaker 1: games like NFL history, but in this driving rainstorm, you

536
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Speaker 1: never believe it. And he shows the things. He's he's

537
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Speaker 1: eleven for eleven. He's like, how was he doing this?

538
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Speaker 1: And he was just He's been the opposite his whole career.

539
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Speaker 1: It's been not a inclement weather guy, and today he

540
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: looked very comfortable. Obviously, Jordan Love's banged up. Yeah, I

541
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Speaker 1: thought they should have yanked him at halftime and gotten

542
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Speaker 1: to the other kid. But might it wouldn't have mattered

543
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Speaker 1: much at that point in time. Once he threw that

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Speaker 1: pick six and it's seventeen to three, didn't feel like

545
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Speaker 1: the game was over. I mean it was gonna be

546
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Speaker 1: hard to score a touchdown in general.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's really hard, you know, when a defense can't

548
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Speaker 2: get traction with their feet and we have the better

549
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Speaker 2: offensive line. I mean, there was a moment Jamiir Gibbs

550
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Speaker 2: had a touchdown run to make it twenty four to three.

551
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: The size of the hole for jumior get and I'm

552
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Speaker 2: not joking it was wider than this desk it may

553
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Speaker 2: have been.

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Speaker 1: You would have scored it was eight feet.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean literally, Penay Sewell had moved his guy

556
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Speaker 2: near the sideline. Brady's like, he's like, look at these tackles.

557
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: Their offensive line. It is it rivals, that Eagles team

558
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: when Lane Johnson was healthy and Kelsey about four years

559
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: ago when they were both the best at their position.

560
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Speaker 2: They are moving and the Packers defense been pretty good

561
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Speaker 2: this year. They moved it all day in the first half.

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Speaker 1: And we've been talking a lot about Jordan Love and

563
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Speaker 1: you know, comparing him. Listen, it's a good thing when

564
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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and Brett Farbes's names are coming up. But

565
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Speaker 1: this was a game in that weather where you cannot

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Speaker 1: turn the ball over like it cannot happen. You have

567
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Speaker 1: to dominate on the run, you know, running the ball,

568
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Speaker 1: control the clock, and play defense. And he did a

569
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Speaker 1: play which he's done earlier this season reckless. You cannot

570
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Speaker 1: afford to be reckless. That's why the Patriots in those

571
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 1: games dominated. Brady would never turn the ball over, let

572
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Speaker 1: alone make a play like that. And even Tom was like,

573
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Speaker 1: you cannot do that. He tried to lob it over.

574
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Speaker 1: I don't even know really what he was trying to do.

575
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Speaker 1: You can't barely grip the ball. He is I've said

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Speaker 1: before you asked me, I think a couple of weeks ago,

577
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Speaker 1: could they win the Super Bowl? And I said, they

578
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Speaker 1: do have the talents, but he is way too much

579
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Speaker 1: of a roller coaster. Right.

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Speaker 2: There was a moment, there was a second and one

581
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: and Brady called him out. And Brady said, dude, it's

582
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Speaker 2: second one, you got third and one, fourth and one,

583
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Speaker 2: you're trailing, you're gonna go.

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Speaker 1: For it, and you got a great running back.

585
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Speaker 2: And he's rolling right and he's pump faking, and it's

586
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: just like Brad Brady. I don't think he wants to

587
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: be hyper critical of young quarterbacks, but it was like,

588
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Speaker 2: and I like Jordan a lot, but there are times

589
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Speaker 2: he's always been more far than Rogers where he's he's

590
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: gonna sling it. And I do think against Detroit you

591
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,719
Speaker 2: may have to because Detroit's got better personnel and they're older.

592
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Speaker 2: But I kind of feel like, I kind of feel

593
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Speaker 2: like today's a moment that you'll look at during the

594
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: season and and we'll revisit this. I think Jordan is

595
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: gonna have another one of these games later and we'll

596
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 2: go back. And there was early warning sides because I

597
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: really really like him, and Reid is a remarkable young receiver. Jesus,

598
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: he's good, but they looked young and sloppy today.

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Speaker 1: They really do Listen, I and I throw these names

600
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: around when we're talking about these guys, but Rogers and

601
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: Farv have a combined seven most valuable players. I mean,

602
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: I think and I am. I'm as guilty as anyone.

603
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: And Lafleur brings it up. This kid has a long

604
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: way to go. Like can you just make back to

605
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: back Pro Bowls? And you have games like today where

606
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: you're at home. That's a huge advantage for you, and

607
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: you take your team right out of the game. You're

608
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Speaker 1: not going to be able to throw three touchdowns. And

609
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Speaker 1: I say this all the time about the Packers. You know,

610
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Speaker 1: they get some of these home games and the weather

611
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: just turns to shit. I mean, I'm looking around the

612
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: league today. The weather's not that terrible most places a

613
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Speaker 1: little cold, it is awful there. Yeah, and you're just

614
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Speaker 1: not going to be able. You're probably gonna give up

615
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: a defense might score a touchdown, you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: run the ball. And the Lions are just a better

617
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Speaker 1: version of that right now. They're just a better version

618
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Speaker 1: of a team that can play ugly than the Packers.

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Speaker 1: Clearly that's a rough l because I think that it'd

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Speaker 1: be stunning now that if the Lions don't win that division, right,

621
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Speaker 1: and all signs point to them being the number one

622
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Speaker 1: seed in the NFC.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I want to talk about maybe not long, but

624
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Speaker 2: Buffalo thirty Miami twenty seven. And I can admit, you know,

625
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Speaker 2: I've always said to a small there's limitations in the

626
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Speaker 2: AFC in January with a guy that can't doesn't have

627
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Speaker 2: a big arm. But until we get to January, when

628
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: it's September, October and November and maybe early December to

629
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Speaker 2: it today, I think I wrote it down twenty five

630
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: or twenty eight, two hundred and thirty one yards now.

631
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Speaker 2: It was a crisp day in Buffalo, and I've been

632
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 2: critical of you know, you gave him the bag. He's

633
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: not winning in Baltimore, in Buffalo, in these cold weather areas.

634
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: But when I watch him play, and then I watched

635
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: Miami without him, could I make this argument He makes

636
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: the Dolphins really good for eighteen weeks and he may

637
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 2: never go on the road and win games. But look

638
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: around this league, John, half the teams are horrible at

639
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,719
Speaker 2: quarterback there and I watched Tua today and I'm like, listen,

640
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: this is Miami's a good watch. You can sell tickets.

641
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,719
Speaker 2: They can compete with anybody. I just don't trust them

642
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: in January with him on the road. But if you

643
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: ever want a division you'd play at home in Miami.

644
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: It's a different story. Is I think we know he's small,

645
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: we know he's not a great athlete, we know he

646
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: didn't have a big arm. But I think we have

647
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: to be honest. We have to be honest about this.

648
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: The Rams just won, by the way and a deep

649
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: ball Stafford through an absolute freaking dime to DeMarcus Robinson

650
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: for the win. We started this, folks, if you're listening

651
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: with the Rams game twenty twenty and overtimes, Hafford through

652
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: a dime into the end zone.

653
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: Jesus, the Rams are coming. Keep an eye on them,

654
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: for they're.

655
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: Really young defensively. But that Jared Verse Jesus. But I

656
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: want to go back to this, is that not every

657
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: quarterback when you're in the AFC. Right now, Miami's ability

658
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: to compete be exciting and fun to watch with Tua,

659
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: his value is really proven. When he didn't play, they

660
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: were unwatchable. I watched them today. I thought they were

661
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: gonna win the I thought they out played Buffalo for

662
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: most of it.

663
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean you could argue Dak comes out of

664
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: the game Cooper Rush just looks just like him. Yeah,

665
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: I mean it doesn't feel like that big of a gap.

666
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: I would say this, and I said it when he

667
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: signed the contract. I understand having a player that can

668
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: make you competitive and keep you in a playoff mix

669
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: in the NFL, that's extremely valuable to so merch, But

670
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: there has to be some sort of line of delineation

671
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: of paying him like the top guys and just paying

672
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: him like I My whole thing with a player like

673
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: that is like, couldn't you just give him twenty eight

674
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: a year? Like it's not like he you should cut him.

675
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: But I can't be paying him fifty to fifty five

676
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: million dollars because he can't go against those guys and

677
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: be better. Then, because you watch him today and you

678
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: watch him the last two weeks, they become a credible

679
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: football team with no unchens is atrocious. Now, he is

680
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: a one hundred percent a starter in the NFL, and

681
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: a good one. But to me, he's always been closer

682
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: to fifteen than he is five. And I just can't

683
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: pay you like five if you're fifteenth, like James Franklin.

684
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: Clearly he's a good football coach. Yeah, but paying him

685
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: like Kirby Smart and like these other guys, Like, yeah,

686
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: you're all, he's gonna be disappointed, but you could do

687
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: way worse, And I think there's got to be some

688
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: middle ground. And everyone's well, these are the coaching salaries,

689
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: these are the quarterback salaries. Like, Okay, do that, and

690
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: then you're always going to be disappointed at the end

691
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 1: of the season. But if you if Tula was making

692
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: half of what he was making, which would still be

693
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: an astronomical amount of money, instead of signing for one

694
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy guaranteed on one to sixty, let's say

695
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: they just give him ninety and thirty million dollars a year.

696
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: It's like, God, it's a pretty good deal for starting quarterback.

697
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: He keeps them in the mix. He's a really good player.

698
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: But where it gets controversial as you start paying these

699
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: guys more money than let's say Patrick Mahomes, You're like,

700
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: this makes no sense. This is crazy. It happens in

701
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: the NBA all the time. We just had to max

702
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: the guy out. Well, he's not a max player. You

703
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: want to do that, you know what your fate's gonna

704
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: be Yeah, And I think I don't quite understand why

705
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: no GM's like, just franchise, what's gonna happen? Right, And

706
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: there's always so quick to pay him that that that

707
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: money relative to the last guy that's signed, and then

708
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: they find themselves in trouble because the gap between him

709
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,479
Speaker 1: and Josh two is a good player, and the gap

710
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: between him and Josh is as big as the gap

711
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: between two and his backups. Yeah, and the gap, that

712
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: GAP's huge.

713
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Right. I do want to talk about the Rams

714
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: beat Seattle twenty six to twenty in overtime Stafford. The

715
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: difference is Geno Smith and Stafford. Both these rosters actually

716
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 2: have good players. I mean, Seattle's got Smith and Jigba

717
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: the receiver Lockett, DK Metcalf not there today. Kyron Williams

718
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: a pooka got ejected for throwing a punch. Cooper Cup.

719
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: Rams are still banged up, so it always feels like

720
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: they're missing a receiver. But first of all, the Rams

721
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 2: were awful in the first half. McVeigh again makes tremendous

722
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: adjustments and they're just you know, just Seattle basically beat themselves.

723
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 2: Gino had a pick six he had three picks hit.

724
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: The two were in the end zone. Cameron Kitchens, the

725
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: rookie from Miami, the Rams had a third rounder, had

726
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 2: two interceptions. This Rams team, and again the defense is

727
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 2: so young. Every two weeks I watch the Rams defense

728
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: and they're better, and they have playmakers. Jared Versus a monster.

729
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: That guy is just he looks different than other NFL guy.

730
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: He's Khalil Mack. He's Khalil Mack two point zero. Just

731
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: power rolls.

732
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: Over good tackles, just rolls over guys. And it's interesting

733
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 2: because I think Seattle should have taken a quarterback last year.

734
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 2: I thought it was a big mistake a general manager,

735
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: John Snyder. I think smart I would have moved up.

736
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 2: Their roster doesn't need anything. I mean, you watch them today.

737
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: They got corners, they got an edge rusher, they got

738
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: a left tackle, they got great receivers. Seattle doesn't need anything.

739
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: They needed a quarterback. And Gino's a big, strong kid

740
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 2: with an arm, but he just makes too many mistakes.

741
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 2: But watching Matt Stafford today, Jesus, I'm telling you, I

742
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 2: said this, Let's just take Lamar and Mahomes off the board.

743
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: Just take the best three players in the world off

744
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,479
Speaker 2: the board, they're all different stylistically, I'm not so sure.

745
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 2: Matt Stafford's not number four in this league. I think

746
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 2: he's just to me, he's incredible to me.

747
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean to me, it would be him or Herbert.

748
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: I think Herbert with the age. If you did like

749
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: one of those fake drafts, most people GMS would take it.

750
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 1: But remember a couple of weeks ago on that Thursday

751
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: Night game, when Stafford's ducking people in the backfield and

752
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: throwing touchdowns. You're like, at thirty six years old, to

753
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: wear and tear on this guy to still be playing.

754
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: I mean, we compare FARV to Jordan Love, Like, no,

755
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: that's that's like the good version of FARV. Matt Stafford's

756
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: right with the arm strength. He's a little bit of

757
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: a gun slinger. Yeah, but it had a pick drop today,

758
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: Like he will make some mistakes, but you want to

759
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: be in the trenches with that. I mean, the difference

760
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: in today's game was one quarterback. I mean, think what

761
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: Gino cost him the pick six the guy caught it

762
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: in the end zone. It's the longest touchdown or pick

763
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: returned in the history of the Rams franchise. One hundred

764
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: and three yards. That's a potential fourteen point swing if

765
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: they score a touchdown and then the other pick. He

766
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: lets the ball go. His guy's not looking at him.

767
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: They're in like the four or five yard line and

768
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: being held by the defense. You cannot throw that ball.

769
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: You see it all the time. What do good quarterbacks do?

770
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: Throw it at the guy's feet and just because they

771
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: know you got to live to fight another down. And

772
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: I don't think the rams turn that into points, but

773
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: still that costs you points, yeah, because at minimum that's

774
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 1: three points. And Gino you look at him against the Bills,

775
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: awful today in big spots against the raft, really good

776
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: young defense, awful forty nine ers. He hasn't beat them

777
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: in five tries. So it's like, I think they were

778
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: in a tough spot last year. You know, to mortgage

779
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: if John didn't love one of the quarterbacks, because the

780
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 1: one thing you would say is he was on Russell

781
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: Wilson right, tried to trade Russell Wilson to the Browns

782
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: for Josh Allen. He would have been right. So when

783
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: he's like these guys he's known, maybe he didn't feel

784
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: the guy he could get. I could see him loving

785
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: Drake May but would have had no chance to get

786
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: up there. You know, Penni's not really his style. Look

787
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: at Geno, like Gino is physically really gives you, So

788
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: I do wonder you look at some of these quarterbacks

789
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: like the cam Wards and the Shadors might be guys.

790
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: But he would have to because his team is still

791
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: gonna end up what like the fourteenth pick, Like you're

792
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: gonna have to mortgage a lot, and there's gonna be

793
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: some other teams in the quarterbacks. So it's just difficult.

794
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: But they cannot. I mean when Gino called them this

795
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: offseason wanted a contract extension and John just hung up

796
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: on him. That was the right move. Yeah, because it's

797
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: been one of the great bridge quarterbacks of all time.

798
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: Would you agree with that? Usually bridge quarterbacks are a disaster.

799
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: Has been more than credible.

800
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 2: Listen, I wrote it down today. If you'd never seen

801
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: him play, he made four or five I put three

802
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: or four huge Geno throws. There are times he spins it.

803
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 2: I mean he oh you know remember thebos Remember the

804
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 2: NBA guy Joe Johnson and like, yeah, you look up

805
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 2: and you're like Joe Johnson's like one of the all

806
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: time great scorers, but was never like a winning player,

807
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,439
Speaker 2: but he was all time get a bucket guy. Gino

808
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 2: is one of those guys that stands in the pocket

809
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: and if you didn't know his history and he just

810
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 2: said go throw a forty yard out, that ball never

811
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: dips like he's got a hose and he can run.

812
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: He just is one of those guys that I think

813
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: his judgment in crisis really regresses fast. He makes really

814
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 2: big mistakes. And I think you know I was I've

815
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: been told this by two executives that Shador Sanders is

816
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 2: the best quarterback in the draft. Somebody else will take

817
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 2: cam Ward. He's electric, he's fun. You know, he'll galvanize

818
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: some locker room somewhere.

819
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: But it is.

820
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: It is tough because if you're the Rams and you

821
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 2: look at Stafford and I mean Herbert's got a ten

822
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: year runway. I mean you watch him today, like when

823
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: they get a legitimate number one receiver, holy shit, watch

824
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: out because they're winning right now with you know that

825
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: it is patchwork at wide receiver. It's this guy. That

826
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 2: guy will dis lead.

827
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: They're gonna be a team no one's gonna want to see.

828
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: In the first round of the playoffs. So because they're

829
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: good on defense and that Jim Harbaugh is their coach,

830
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: and they could beat you seventeen to fifteen in the

831
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: first round. Yeah, and that's where Seattle Gino played well,

832
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: if you would just play. But like you said, freaks

833
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: out in crisis, will wins. There's crisis against the best teams. Yeah, right,

834
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: they get up and they kind of smother some of

835
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: the shittier teams. Yeah.

836
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: So, I mean, I think I just watched the Rams

837
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 2: when that thing in overtime today, and my takeaway is

838
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: take out Mahomes and Andy Reid. I would argue McVeigh

839
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: and Stafford are the best head coach quarterback combo in

840
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 2: the league. So I don't buy into this rebuild stuff.

841
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 2: I think these guys I don't think they could. I

842
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 2: think their defense is better than the Lions. They would

843
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: have to be completely healthy to beat the Lions. I

844
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: think they can beat anybody else in the NFC. I

845
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 2: think they can beat Washington, Philadelphia, Arizona, Minnesota already beat them.

846
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: I don't know if they can beat Detroit. All I'm

847
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 2: saying is the record doesn't prove it. But on the

848
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: if they're healthy, I think they may be the toughest

849
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: matchup along with the Niners for the Detroit Lions. That's

850
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: how much I think of McVeigh and Stafford Collins.

851
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: For like four straight weeks they played with me and

852
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: you a wide receiver. I mean they beat the forty

853
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: nine ers with me and you a wide receiver and

854
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: two two at well. I mean, I think that win

855
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: against the forty nine ers, because it happened so early,

856
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: will be overlooked as the season goes on. But if

857
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: they end up with nine or ten wins, that win

858
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: saved their season because they easily could have been like

859
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: zero to four and the entire team was offensively was injured.

860
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: You can't run the ball when you have no threat.

861
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: And then once they gets these guys back you're watching,

862
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: you're like, hotly, shit, they are a problem. They look

863
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: like the version of the team we saw at the

864
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: end of the season last year. And what and the

865
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: guys they have on defense. You know, they have some

866
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: rookies playing that are obviously awesome, but they also have

867
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: second second year guys that played a ton last year.

868
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: So now their defense is young, it's fast, full of

869
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of playmakers. And now they got a pass rush.

870
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be very hard for them

871
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: to replace Donald just because I mean, he's one of

872
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: the greatest players of all time. But I do think

873
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: they're kind of doing it on quantity. I mean, they

874
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: have so many good young players that just I would say,

875
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: just from an effort standpoint, there can't be many defense

876
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: in the league. Did play harder? Just just play in

877
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: play out to just play harder. You know you've watched

878
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: the Ravens sometimes, like God, are they playing hard right now?

879
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: On defense?

880
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,319
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Speaker 2: All right, I want to talk. Listen. Ohio State should

897
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 2: have put Penn State away earlier, but they're the better

898
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: team USC Lincoln Riley's now twelve and twelve again, they

899
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: lead late and lose Oregon. Thump's Michigan. I think we've

900
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: spent so much time looking at Texas and Georgia and

901
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: Bama and Ohio State and last year in Michigan. I

902
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: watched Oregon this weekend. I'm not sure what they're not

903
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 2: good at. Like I'm like, I'll tell you this. The

904
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 2: more I watch Oregon, the more I like them. The

905
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 2: more I watch Ohio State, the less I like them.

906
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 2: I feel like Ohio State offensively, John has a bit

907
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: of an identity crisis. They want to run the ball

908
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: because they've been criticis size for not running it. But

909
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 2: their best players are all wide receivers, and then combine

910
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: that with Will Howard just isn't as good as we

911
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 2: thought he was gonna be. I figured I watched him

912
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: at Kansas State. I thought, you know what, he's getting

913
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: all these receivers. He may win a Heisman. He's just

914
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: he's a good college quarterback. I don't see any special

915
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 2: And every time I watch Ohio State, I'm like, they

916
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 2: leave points on the table. They just it just doesn't

917
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: feel like I watched Oregon. Oregon is squeezing every fricking

918
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 2: ounce of talent out of that roster. I mean to

919
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: go on the road in college, even though Michigan's not great,

920
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 2: and just kick the shit out of him. I mean,

921
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: the game wasn't even as close as thirty eight to seventeen.

922
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 2: I just don't think we're ready to embrace this. People

923
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: outside of the West Coast don't understand. Oregon's dominated Southern

924
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: California recruiting in the Pac twelve for about eight years.

925
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: They just get the best players, they pay for them,

926
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 2: and I don't know. I think I think Oregon's the

927
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: best team I've seen.

928
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: I want to hate Ohio State. I actually thought that

929
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: was a pretty impressive game. Yesterday because I thought they

930
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: shoved around Penn State, they made the big plays when

931
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: they had to. I mean Penn State classic just blew

932
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: in the red zone. I mean Ohio State is missing

933
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: multiple offensive linemen. I think they had a guy started

934
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:13,959
Speaker 1: left tackle and left guard that had never even played

935
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: the position, So they're moving guys around. I'm with you

936
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: on the quarterback, but when you look, it's like, I

937
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: don't love George's quarterback. You know, Dylan Gabriel can throw

938
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: the ball. I have more faith in him than those guys,

939
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 1: but he's kind of small and against a big time defense,

940
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: could he be knocked out or whatever? But I hear yeah.

941
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: I mean I think Oregon. If you had to pick

942
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 1: a team to win the national Championship as we sit

943
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: here today, it would be Oregon. But if Ohio State

944
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: gets healthy, like I mean, their talent, that safety that

945
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: they got from Alabama, they basically just put him on

946
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: forty four. Who you know, that guy is going to

947
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 1: be a top fifty pick. I mean against that see,

948
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: you had like fifty catches in the game, and he

949
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: did have a great catch in that game, but for

950
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: the most part, they neutralized him a little bit and

951
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: What a What a letdown by Penn State. If I

952
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: would have told you they'd be up ten to nothing

953
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: on a pick six and they would score three points,

954
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, with five minutes in the game, score three

955
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: points the rest of the game. That's pretty embarrassing.

956
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: You know what I feel like with James Franklin, and

957
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: I've met him before and I do like him. And

958
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: I see this sometimes in college basketball and football. John

959
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 2: Kyler paris a little bit of this great recruiter, and

960
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 2: I feel like there's nothing else he's great at. I mean,

961
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 2: there's some guys like Jay Wright was great recruiting, developing,

962
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 2: building a defense, creating leaders, tight late game situations. I mean,

963
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 2: like Jay Wright checked every box. Krzyzewski's offense could be boring,

964
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 2: but Mike checked a lot of boxes. So does Bill self.

965
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: You know, Calipari's like the guy he can sell and

966
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 2: that he deserves credit for that. But when I watch

967
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: James Franklin, I feel like he's very dependent on having

968
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 2: a great offensive coordinator. He can recruit his defense. Front

969
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: sevens are Oh, it is really formidable. They look like

970
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 2: an SEC front seven. They always got a pass rush.

971
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: I just I just think he is sort of. I

972
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 2: just think he is what I see a lot of.

973
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: He deserves his money. It's a great program. I like

974
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 2: watching them play, but I just don't think. I don't

975
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 2: think I trust them in tight, big game situations.

976
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: I don't where are their wider where are their wide receivers? Yesterday?

977
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: You know, for a guy that is a great recruiter,

978
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: and like you said, and they got NFL guys all

979
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: over that roster. I think that's why it's such a letdown.

980
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: You go, our roster is just as good as their roster.

981
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 1: I actually think their quarterback, who was awful last year,

982
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: it's kind of grown on me a little bit this year.

983
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: But their wide receivers make no place, and they're so

984
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: dependent on the tight end, who was a really good player,

985
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: but to get him in that spot. They're all bitching

986
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: and moaning because it's the morning game. They want the

987
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: night games. Like guys, it wouldn't have mattered if the

988
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: game would have been at midnight or at you know,

989
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: five in the morning. You're never beating this team. And

990
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: I just know long Penn State probably in the playoff

991
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: because you've look at their schedule. They have one loss.

992
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: But I don't take this program seriously at all relatives,

993
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: like competing for national championships. Are they gonna have a

994
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: ton of NFL guys. If you're a scout, you spend

995
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: five days a week there during the year, do you

996
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: need Yeah? Are they gonna win their ten eleven games

997
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: depending on how the schedule breaks. You will never pick

998
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: them against Ohio State. You will now never pick them

999
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: against Oregon. And you know, we'll see if Michigan and

1000
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: USC can get their shit together over the next couple years.

1001
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: But if those teams are good, you will pick those

1002
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: teams over Penn State as well. And that's kind of

1003
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: crazy because I think this was the first time. It's like,

1004
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: I think Penn State's got a shot, and then they're

1005
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: up ten to nothing. You're like, God, is Ohio State

1006
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: about to get their butt kicked? Yeah? And then you're like, no,

1007
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: they're not, because they just never make a big play

1008
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: when it has to be made. Obviously, the pick at

1009
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: the end of the first half was devastating. They get

1010
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: they get that final drive, they're adding the goal line essentially,

1011
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: and they can't punch it in the end zone. They

1012
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: just run it right up the gut twice and then

1013
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: they throw it on fourth down. It wasn't even close.

1014
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 1: And then Ohio State with all these random offensive linemen

1015
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 1: run it right down their throat, the strength of their team,

1016
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: all these NFL guys, and in the game there's a

1017
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: big win for Ryan Day and I'm I can be

1018
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: Ohio State hater, but that was that was impressive to

1019
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: go on.

1020
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 2: Winning on the roads hard in college, especially when you

1021
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 2: don't have a superstar quarterback. When you have a solid

1022
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 2: guy and Will Howard, winning on the road is hard.

1023
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: It is so h let me touch on us C.

1024
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley twelve and twelve.

1025
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: I'll go back to their record right now, Colin.

1026
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 2: I think they're four and five or three?

1027
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: And what are they? I think the four and five? Yes, yeah,

1028
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: that's pretty crazy, isn't it. If I would have told

1029
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: you year three they'd be four and five.

1030
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 2: I think one of the things that gets really disappointing

1031
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: to me, Lincoln Riley said after the game, you know,

1032
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 2: six plays and we're nine to zero, and it's like, yeah,

1033
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 2: not really. I do think offensively they'll be better next year,

1034
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 2: but I think I go back to something like they're

1035
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: getting wiped out in the state of California, they're just

1036
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 2: not recruiting the state. I don't think. I don't think

1037
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 2: he has a love for recruiting. I think there's some

1038
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 2: guys that really Saban loved it, he had charisma. I

1039
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 2: think I think there's some guys that really loved to Wrook.

1040
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 2: I think Stark, Lane, Kiffen, there's a handful of guys.

1041
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 2: I think Ryan Day's probably hell of a recruiter. Brian Hartline,

1042
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 2: his receiver coach, is a great recruiter. I think sometimes

1043
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 2: Lincoln comes off as very prickly, very aloof, very detached,

1044
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 2: overly protective of players. I mean he cut off media

1045
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 2: this week, No more media at the practices. It's like,

1046
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 2: you're four and five, we got better things to do.

1047
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 2: I think I think sometimes he's forgetting this is not

1048
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: a rural town like this is. We got We got

1049
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: Sean McVay and the Lakers and the Dodgers and Herbert

1050
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 2: and the Rams. You start cutting people off like it's

1051
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: like I'm a I'm considered sort of pro usc But

1052
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 2: when I watch him, I go back to something that

1053
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 2: I think it's very clear to see they don't have

1054
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 2: enough good football players. And you know, Rick Newheizel won

1055
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: a Rose Bull Washington, they beat Purdue. I didn't think.

1056
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 2: I didn't think new Heuiseel was a great coach. But

1057
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: he liked recruiting. He was engaged. He really really enjoyed

1058
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 2: the showmanship of it. And Washington's up in the rain

1059
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 2: in the Pacific Northwest. They had Marcus tuiasa sopot quarterback.

1060
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 2: But I always come out of it and I'm like,

1061
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 2: you know what if you recruit at college, Charlie Weise

1062
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: couldn't recruit. He was a smart guy, couldn't recruit. I

1063
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 2: just look at their brand. They have literally one serviceable

1064
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 2: offensive tackle, they have one running back. They're very pass happy.

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Speaker 2: I look at it and I think to myself, they'll

1066
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 2: be better next year. I don't see special I don't

1067
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 2: see the players.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, if you would have told me this

1069
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: would have taken place after they beat LSU, I wouldn't

1070
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: have believed you because it was clear like LSU was

1071
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: gonna be a good team. And if they beat Alabama

1072
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: next week on, they're gonna be ten to two and

1073
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: be a playoff team. Yeah, you know, so it's for

1074
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: them to end up four and five, and like, are

1075
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: we sure they're I mean six and six. They've proven

1076
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: now they can lose to anybody. I think the craziest part,

1077
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: and it hit me last night. I'm watching the game.

1078
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: They're down twenty to seven, and I was like, they're

1079
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,720
Speaker 1: about to get rolled. I just turned on other games.

1080
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: I was actually shocked when I went back to my

1081
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: phone and saw that the game was close, so then

1082
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: I turned it back on. But it's barely November first,

1083
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: and they don't They don't matter in the college landscape

1084
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: like you watch and you know some of their fans

1085
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: watched the whole game because they're invested in the program,

1086
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: But I didn't need to watch. I was paying attention

1087
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: because I know we talk about it, but they don't matter.

1088
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: It does if you talk about Data's football. You don't

1089
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: need to watch them. No which year three paying them

1090
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty million. This is an epic disaster,

1091
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 1: Colin John.

1092
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 2: They don't have anything resembling a first round player. They

1093
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 2: don't have anything. They have a center that is going

1094
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 2: about the third round. They have a safety in about

1095
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 2: a year I think will go in the third kind

1096
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 2: of a third round player. They have some nice receivers,

1097
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 2: none feel like first round players. They they have thirteen

1098
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 2: million dollars in nil, Go buy an elite left tackle

1099
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 2: for a million dollars. Go buy the best rush in

1100
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 2: and football they don't have. I mean, Washington's in a rebuild.

1101
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: I'm not sure they have more good players in Washington.

1102
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 2: And Washington's in a rebuild. With Jed Fish in his

1103
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 2: first year.

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Speaker 1: I would say this. I mean, he's not going and

1105
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: nothing's gonna happen. But UCLA has showed some fight this season.

1106
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like they've They've at least shown some character.

1107
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: And if he were to lose that game regardless, I mean,

1108
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: now the record, would you agree the records kind of irrelevant?

1109
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: I don't even know what bowl games mean anymore in

1110
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: this college football do bowl games even still exist? But

1111
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: that that would be it'd be hard for people around

1112
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: the program and the money people to take him seriously.

1113
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: I mean it is right now at four and five

1114
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: into year three. Like people are on Brian Kelly. I

1115
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: mean he's he has a bad half against text A

1116
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: and M on the road. You know when they have

1117
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: a million NFL guys like he was kicking their ass

1118
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: for a half. You watch and I watch a lot

1119
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: of LSU because I love watching the SEC. It's where

1120
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: the best players are. He's doing a pretty good job.

1121
00:54:58,080 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: And you talked to him. My scouting buddies are like,

1122
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: it's it's an impressive operation there. When you go in there,

1123
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: they're like, I would buy stock in this program moving forward. Yeah,

1124
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: that is not the case. And like you said, the

1125
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: reporter thing, he did that last year. He does it

1126
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: like Lincoln. Why are you even worried about things that

1127
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: are just completely irrelevant to can you beat Jetfish? I

1128
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: mean Jetfish should have beat you two years in a row.

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00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: You remember they got very lucky to beat him last year.

1130
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: Was that that game go to overtime? Maybe beat him

1131
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: on the last play in the game? Yep, Caleb made

1132
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: an incredible play in overtime. Remember he kind of scrambled.

1133
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: They easily could have lost that game. They were lucky

1134
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: to be seven to five last year. Because they lose

1135
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: that thing. They're six and six and it looks like

1136
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: they're headed towards six and six. And I would say,

1137
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: you're six and six and you lose to this UCLA

1138
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: team with Deshaun Foster. They're not paying one hundred and

1139
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars for that. And like you said, think

1140
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: of all the top coaches, Dan Lanning, I mean loves

1141
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: to recruit clearly, like you say, Ryan Day in that program,

1142
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: they recruit their ass off. Kirby smart recruiter, sark huge.

1143
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: So the top programs, which USC, LSU and you know

1144
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly puts a lot effort to it. They hired

1145
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: you to be their equals. Well, you know, coaching right

1146
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: now is not going that well. But it's like, okay,

1147
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: college football is not quite the NFL. If you just

1148
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 1: got the Jimmies and the Joe's, you could win, especially

1149
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: that C what eight nine games, no doubt about you.

1150
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: Then you got out coach to get to undefeated or

1151
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: a one loss your Jimmy's in the Joe's. See didn't

1152
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: they didn't play Oregon this year, did they?

1153
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 2: They are Ohio State. They get run out of the

1154
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 2: stadium with those teams.

1155
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: So they got lucky with their schedule. It could be

1156
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: way worse.

1157
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 2: Right, Listen, Clay Hilton could not recruit or develop, but

1158
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 2: he tried. He had an effort. I mean, it's USC

1159
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 2: fans come up mask me. I'm like, go watch the games.

1160
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 2: They don't have any separators their receivers. They have a

1161
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 2: kid named Lemon, runs good routes, good hands. They don't

1162
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 2: have anybody that separates. They got a safety, a center Wood.

1163
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 2: He marks the transfer running backs, a nice player. He's

1164
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 2: probably a fourth fifth round or nice player. They don't

1165
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 2: have a second running back in the program. They have

1166
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 2: one tackle that can play offensively. They have no great

1167
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 2: pass rushers. They just they just don't have any good

1168
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 2: play They don't have enough quality. If you took the

1169
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 2: best ten Ohio State players and the USC the best

1170
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 2: ten Ohio State's got eight of them.

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00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: Well, is there a chance that, like the point of

1172
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: difference of Lincoln who was supposed to be this genius

1173
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: offensive guy, the gap between him Jed Fish an offensive

1174
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: guy who's coached with the best in the business, and

1175
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: his staff has a Belichick and at Carol obviously Dan

1176
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: Lanning staff is elite. You know, Ryan Day and Chip

1177
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: Kelly don't suck. I mean, you look around the conference.

1178
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: You go, you gotta beat some pretty well coached staffs.

1179
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: Iowa was a well coached staff. You got some of

1180
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: these teams, it's just going to be very, very difficult

1181
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: for them if they are not recruiting the best. I mean,

1182
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll and his hey day had the best of

1183
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: both worlds. Right.

1184
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 2: Look, go to Rivals dot Com twenty twenty five recruiting California,

1185
00:57:55,520 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 2: an M, Texas, Oregon, Texas A and M lash there's

1186
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 2: no ut USC's got one rush and good kid from

1187
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 2: about thirty minutes outside of La up north. They're not

1188
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 2: getting a the players.

1189
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: Well, think about this. If you're a kid right now,

1190
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: Let's say you're seventeen years old, for your entire life,

1191
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: starting at like eight nine years old, when you kind

1192
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: of start really understanding sports, SE's never been relevant. So

1193
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: you don't remember, like Matt Lioner thrown to Dwayne Jarrett.

1194
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: You weren't even born, So it's like maybe you were born.

1195
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 2: No.

1196
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: Six, those teams have already they were done. So how

1197
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: this notion of like momentum is a real thing, right?

1198
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: I think Schefter had a report today like people are

1199
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: interested in going to the commanders. Don't blame them. I

1200
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,919
Speaker 1: would be too. No one would have said that eight

1201
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: months ago. Things change faster than ever in society. If

1202
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: you're a kid, like I'd want to go to Oregon,

1203
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: I'd want to go to Georgia, I'd want to go

1204
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: to LSU. I'd want to go Hell, South Carolina beat

1205
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: the crap at A and M. They look cool. You

1206
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: know Ohio State. Why would you want to go to

1207
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: sc What have they done over the last I would

1208
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: just say ten years to be if you're a young

1209
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: kid like I want to go there. We talk about

1210
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: it a lot because we remember these moments. Yeah they

1211
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: do not Yeah, and now with social media and stuff,

1212
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: their moments are they don't even exist. So I think

1213
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: he has a lot to overcome. And this gets to

1214
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: the thing is like can he build from scratch because

1215
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: that's what this need and it doesn't look like he

1216
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: really can. Yeah, where Jedfish is a good example. Went

1217
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: to Arizona that was a disaster. What he proved that

1218
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: he was able to do and look at Arizona this

1219
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: year they stink again. Yeah, it's like that. That is

1220
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: really difficult to do to go to a program just

1221
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: in general in college football that's down and out let

1222
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: alone a non power program, and turn it into a

1223
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: nine to ten win team. He took over Bob Stoop's team,

1224
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: which he inherited. I don't know, a team full of

1225
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: over under probably twenty NFL guys. Yes, start in the

1226
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: league right now?

1227
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean what worries me even the guys

1228
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 2: outside of Caleb Williams that he brought from Oklahoma to USC.

1229
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 2: This is one of the first warning signs. He brought

1230
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 2: about six guys from Oklahoma to USC. One could play

1231
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 2: one one guy.

1232
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: And the Jordan Addison move, which obviously was a really

1233
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: good move. You know, they had Kleb like, is he

1234
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: getting Jordan Addison this offseason? Like the equivalent of that guy,

1235
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: No chance, right?

1236
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 2: I mean one of their starters in the line is

1237
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 2: from Wyoming. One of the starters in their own line

1238
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 2: is from Wyoming. They're cherry picking Wyoming players in the

1239
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 2: transfer portal like they're just not They just don't have

1240
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 2: a good enough sales pitch. And that's college for.

1241
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: I think this. I think the sad thing is if

1242
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: you're a big you know, LA SC booster and money guy,

1243
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: you look around college football, it's not like there are

1244
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: these programs that are head and shoulder like it is

1245
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: very winnable right now. Yeah, I would say most of

1246
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: these teams, like you said, Oregon has really got their

1247
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: swag back after beating Ohio State. But I've watched Georgia

1248
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: against Florida. They don't look great. I mean, it's not

1249
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: like Ohio State. This is their best team in the

1250
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: last twenty years. Probably woudn't've be a top five team

1251
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: in the last twenty years. So you look around college football,

1252
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: you go, well, Alabama's kind of meh for their standards.

1253
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: LSU's got some issues. Yeah we should. Yeah, what are

1254
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: we doing here? We can't. We can't even sniff those two.

1255
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: We can't even be Washington. What's Washington? A seven win team?

1256
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: That's that's a problem, Colin, that's a problem.

1257
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 2: John Middlecoff, former NFL Scout three and out as always, Buddy,

1258
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 2: great talking to him.

1259
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: See you, Colin, fight on, baby. That's all we can

1260
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: do the volume.

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01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening. If you've enjoyed the podcast,

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01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,280
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