1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: AM paranormal podcast network. Now get ready for another episode 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: of Strange Things with Joshua P. Warren. The thoughts and 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: opinions expressed by the host our thoughts and opinions only, 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: and do not necessarily reflect those of I Heart Media, 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast A out employees of 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: premier networks or their sponsors and associates. You are encouraged 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: to do the proper amount of research yourself, depending on 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: the subject matter and your needs. You find a wizard 10 00:00:54,360 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: of weird. This is Strange Things with Joshua Warren. I 11 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: am Joshua pe Warren and he's weak. On this show, 12 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: I'll be bringing you brand new mind blowing content, news exercises, 13 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: and weird experiments you can do at home, and a 14 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: lot more on this edition of the show. Tim Are Swartz, 15 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: Enter Dimensionals, Commander x Oh, that Whole Mystery and more 16 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: you know. Earlier this year, my old pal Timothy Green 17 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: Beckley died. He was one of the greatest paranormal researchers 18 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: and writers of all time, and through him I learned 19 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: about one of his partners in crime, Mr Tim R. Swartz, 20 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: who could easily throw his hat in the ring as 21 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: one of the most interesting men in the world. Now, 22 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: if you toss out a weird subject, Tim Swartz has 23 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: got it covered, trust me. He's an Indiana Nate of 24 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: and Emmy Award winning television producer and videographer, and he's 25 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: the author of a number of popular books, including The 26 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: Lost Journals of Nicola Tesla, Incredible Alien Encounters, Jeff the 27 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: Talking Mongoose, and Admiral Bird's Secret Journey Beyond the Polls. 28 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: He has also appeared on the History Channel programs Ancient Aliens, Evidence, 29 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: Ancient Aliens Declassified, all kinds of programs all over the world. 30 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: His website is Conspiracy journal dot com. And I figured 31 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: it was about high time for me to have him 32 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: on this show, so I called him up and here 33 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: is my interview with him. Tim are Swartz, Welcome to 34 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: the show. All right, Thank you, Josh Straw. As usual, 35 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: it's a pleasure to talk with you again. Oh gosh, 36 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: you know you are of the most fascinating people in 37 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: the world. You're a prolific author. You've written about so 38 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: many mind boggling things that it's difficult to know where 39 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: to begin. With you. So let's just start by me 40 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 1: asking you, uh, where an Indiana that you're from and 41 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: where you ended up now and your description of what 42 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: you do. Well, sure, well, I mean originally I was 43 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: born and raised in central Indiana. And then after you know, 44 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: I got out of college and started my career in television. 45 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: You know, I moved around quite a bit from different markets. 46 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: Uh finally ended up for a while back in Indianapolis, 47 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: and uh now we're we're living in southwestern Indiana. I'm 48 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: have retired for the most part from the television business, 49 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: but that's allowed me to pursue my other interest, which 50 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: is the world of the weird, which I mean, you know, 51 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: I've always been interested and kept my my big toe 52 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: in the waters of of the strange and unusual, but 53 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: all from the past, I don't know, more than twenty years, 54 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: cash twenty five years, I've I've really gotten back deep 55 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: into it, written books on television shows, you know, you 56 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: name it, and I've been involved. So now, what got 57 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: you sort of involved in such a weird genre? What 58 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: made you decide to pursue this field? Well, I was 59 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: kind of a drug kicking in screaming into it, you know, 60 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: I've been a lot of your guests to you know, 61 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: have have replied to that question that they've been in 62 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: it since they were a kid. It's kind of the 63 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: same way with me. But I was given a class 64 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: assignment one day, uh, based on the current headlines. Everybody 65 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: in the class was own a class assignment. And uh. 66 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: I was given a story about UFOs. And I didn't 67 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: know what UFOs could have cared less. You know, I 68 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: was a who's your boy? I was interested in basketball 69 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: and uh, the Indianapolis five things like that. Oh, I mean, 70 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, I was interested in science and maybe like 71 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: rockets and ace travel, but UFOs, forget about it. So 72 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: I gave my presentation, you know, and uh and and 73 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: from that point on, I was the flying saucer guy 74 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: at the school. I was the guy who believed in 75 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: UFOs and little green men from Mars and everything like that. 76 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: And I couldn't I couldn't escape it. But what was 77 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: interesting is that, you know, people would come up to 78 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: me when there was nobody else around and say, you know, 79 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: I don't believe that kind of stuff. But and then 80 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: they proceed to tell me a story about how when 81 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: their family was on vacation they they saw you know, 82 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: a UFO over their car or their you know, they're 83 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: great ant Matilda, who died two weeks previously, has been 84 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: uh creeping around their bedroom in the middle of the night. 85 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: And it was these individual stories from people that really 86 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: got me interested in all this because these were people 87 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: who they weren't looking for publicity. They you know, they 88 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: were looking for a way to make money off of this. 89 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: Now they were just trying to figure out what in 90 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: the heck is going on, because really, I mean, for 91 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: most people, this kind of stuff is really unknown to them. 92 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: You know, that is, unless they're watching a lot of 93 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: reality television, because you know that a lot of these 94 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: types of you know, big foot hunters and ghost hunters 95 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: and all over the place and the streaming. But for 96 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: most people, they don't, you know, they could care less. 97 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: And when somebody goes and has an out of the 98 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: norm experience, it's really hard to place that into that 99 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: little filing system that we all have in our brains, 100 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, we get up in the morning, 101 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: we have a cup of coffee, we go to work, 102 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: stop it, stoplights, come home. You know, all of that 103 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: is filed away. But if you're going to work one 104 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: day and this disc, giant disc comes down out of 105 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: the sky, sits down in front of your car, and 106 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: little guys come out and collect rocks and plants and 107 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: stuff and then fly away. Where do you put that? 108 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: Where do you file that away in your head? And 109 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: that makes a lot of people crazy, And they can't 110 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: tell anybody. Oh God forbid if they tried to tell that, 111 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: you know, even a family member, because they'd be laughed 112 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: out of the house. I mean, there'll be the butt 113 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: of the joke or Thanksgiving from the next twenty years. 114 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: So these people would come to me and they'd say, 115 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: you know, you'll probably think I'm crazy. But and then 116 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: you know, they tell me the story and you can 117 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: see the weight lifted off of their shoulders. What I 118 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: would say to them, well, you know, that's that's a 119 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: fascinating story. You know, there's been a lot of people 120 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: over the years who have had similar events, And no, 121 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: you're not crazy, And I'm not gonna laugh at yet. 122 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: You know, I always enjoyed the Commander X books and 123 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: are late pal Tim Beckley, whom you knew very well, 124 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: said that a lot of the Commander X material was 125 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: written by Jim Keith but you have contributed to the 126 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: Commander X books as well, right, Yes, I actually helped 127 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: whoever command Or X was UH finish up a number 128 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,719 Speaker 1: of books. I mean, UH. One of the earliest assignments 129 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: that I ever got from Tim Beckley was to uh 130 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: finish a series of books that Commander X had UH 131 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 1: contracted Tim to write but then experienced health problems and 132 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: couldn't finish it. So Beckley approached me and UH sent 133 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: me the material that he had and then actually gave 134 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: my mailing address. You know, we were still doing everything 135 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: you know, by mail at that point, to whomever Commander 136 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: X was UH to send me any additional material. And 137 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: then you know, we communicated by mail back and forth 138 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: a number of times, and I finished, like the original 139 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: invisibility book that that he was writing. There was one 140 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: about time travel and UH and then one about um 141 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 1: conspiracies involving acorn societies, UH, Nazi infiltration and things like that. 142 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: So so yeah, you know the UH and then you know, 143 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: continued that relationship for a few more years until I 144 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: don't know, you know, Uh, I'd say, you'd have to 145 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: ask him Backley whatever happened to Commander I. But you 146 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: can't ask him now either unfortunately, but but yeah, I mean, 147 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: you know, the material that was always said to me 148 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: was just always fascinating, and uh, I wish, you know, 149 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: like everybody else, I wish I knew exactly who it 150 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: was that I was collaborating with. But unfortunately, at this point, 151 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: I don't think I'll ever know. That is so strange. 152 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: I mean, Commander X could be dead then for all 153 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: we know, uh could very well be, because you know it, Uh, 154 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: it was one of these situations where just all of 155 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: a sudden, the mail just stopped coming. And uh, this 156 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: was fairly early on in the early days of the internet, 157 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: you know, and we had just established an email like 158 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: its kind of like a mutual email account for myself, 159 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: Tim Beckley, and a lot of the other writers, uh, 160 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: for global communications, we'd all use the same email, you know, 161 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: communicate back and forth with each other. And it also 162 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: it served a good purpose to put it out there 163 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: for anybody who was interested in uh, you know, books 164 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: and other types of communications, they could just send it 165 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: to this one central email and uh, the original Commander 166 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: X was part of that, and just one day that 167 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: was it. We just never heard from him again. And 168 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: I suspect that Tim Beckley knew what was going on, um, 169 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: but what never was ever really forthcoming on just exactly 170 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: what was happening. I mean, you know how Tim could 171 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: be if he didn't want to answer a question, he 172 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: could duct and dodge it. And you know better than 173 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: I think anybody that I knew, And that was a 174 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: situation with with Commander X. So considering that what I 175 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: said in the the the early days of my writing 176 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: for Tim, it was collaborating with Commander X because of 177 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: his health problems, I've often wondered whether or not he 178 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: didn't just finally succumbed to whatever it was was going 179 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: on with me. Wait, do you hear what we get 180 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: into when we come back? I'm Joshua P. Warren. 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All right, 209 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: let's get back to my interview with the leg Gendery. 210 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: Tim are sorts. You and Tim Beckley and the circle 211 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: of researchers around you have studied such a diverse group 212 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: of topics. I mean, you know, it seems like that 213 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: regardless whether or not one begins with aliens and UFOs 214 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: or ghosts or monsters or psychic activity, they all hint 215 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: at the existence of other realms and interdimensional contacts. So 216 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: let's just start there. What's your view on how all 217 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: this stuff connects? M M. Well, you know that was 218 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: one of the reasons that that Tim Backley like working 219 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: with me is because I've I've always been interested in 220 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: all of that stuff that you just mentioned and more 221 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: and uh could uh could always uh whip out a 222 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: number of books in a short order just because of 223 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: my interests and knowledge ace. But I think that a 224 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: lot of this stuff UFOs, paranormal phenomenal ghosts, cryptic creatures 225 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: are somehow connected, um whether or not they're originating from 226 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: the same source or originating from different sources, but then 227 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: have some kind of upfront similarities. It's it's hard for 228 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: me to say. I try to keep because you know, 229 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: people will you know, people go, you know, you're you 230 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: believe in UFOs and I'm like, well, that's your that's 231 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: the wrong question. You know, you're asking the wrong question 232 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: because I don't believe in anything. That's what I usually 233 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: tell people, because if you start believing in something, then 234 00:16:54,880 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: if you're presented with new information and evidence on sub jake, 235 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: than a belief system can interfere with UH, you know, 236 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: letting that new information in. And I always am open 237 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: to new information. So, you know, believing in UFOs or 238 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: believing that, say UFOs are extraterrestrial, or believing that ghosts 239 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: are spirits of those who have passed on is not 240 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: something that I would say. My response a lot of 241 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:35,239 Speaker 1: times is I think that there is actually something going on. 242 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: I think that people are seeing unusual things in the sky, 243 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: or people are experiencing some kind of uh phenomena in 244 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: a house that's uh supposedly haunted or whatever. But what 245 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: you know, what is the root cause about all those things? 246 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: To me, that is still unknown. And that's why we're 247 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: doing all of this stuff. This is why UH doing 248 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: our research and investigations and writing books and talking about 249 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: it on the on radio shows because we don't really know, 250 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: you know, I mean I've got personal favorites, you know. 251 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:19,719 Speaker 1: I mean I love the idea that say, UFOs could 252 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: be time travelers. I mean, I think that's a fascinating concept. 253 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: And and in fact, if you are dealing with, say 254 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: a physical craft of some kind that may be visiting 255 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 1: us from another world, more than likely for it to 256 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: be able to travel through space, it's going to have 257 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: to be a time machine of some kind too, in 258 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: order to navigate the God knows how many light years 259 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: away that they're coming from. Uh so, uh, you know, 260 00:18:54,960 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: I take time travel even from our own future. Is 261 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: is a fascinating concept, you know, the same thing with 262 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 1: the possibility that we're dealing with, um, what would be 263 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: I think erroneously referred to as interdimensional beings? Um I 264 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: I you know, that's that's kind of an old science 265 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: fiction type of concept. But I, you know, I I do. 266 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: I do think that we live in a universe that 267 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: has multiple realities kind of stacked upon one another, and 268 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: that you know, in some of those they may have 269 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: been able to figure out how to you know, kind 270 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: of like the television show sliders to be able to 271 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: navigate from one or or the other. You know that 272 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: that could be a good explanation on why with um UFOs, 273 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: where the occupants have been seen that almost inevitably the 274 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: the entities are humanoid, which, considering what we know about say, 275 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: like you know, evolution, it would be highly unusual for 276 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: another planet in another solar system or another galaxy to 277 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: develop intelligent life that looks so close like us as 278 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: to be a lot of times almost indistinguishable from humans. 279 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: Um you know, the same thing with cryptid creatures. I mean, 280 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: are we dealing with actual physical primates that are smart 281 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: enough that does somehow they've managed to keep themselves hidden 282 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,479 Speaker 1: from us, you know, in in in the woods and 283 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: in caves and things like that all these years, Or 284 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: are we dealing with something that has the ability to 285 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: briefly make a physical appearance in our reality and then 286 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: fade back to wherever it is that they came from. So, 287 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's what makes all of these 288 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: different types of phenomena so fascinating. Eating is because on 289 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: the surface they look like that they could be easily explainable, 290 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 1: but as you delve deeper into all of the accounts 291 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: that have been presented to us over the years. We 292 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: can see that it's a lot more complex than uh, 293 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: you know, we would and then we can ever imagine, 294 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: and that's that's really what is so fascinating about all 295 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: of it. Oh yeah, And in fact, we probably have 296 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: a similar view, and that when you're functioning as a 297 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: writer and you're trying to speculate on some of these 298 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: really odd things that don't always fit together so well, 299 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: you have to have some kind of a working model 300 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: to rely on there that you can use to help 301 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: sort of explain what might be happening, like you say, 302 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: realities that are stacked upon them. But now it's becoming 303 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:00,959 Speaker 1: more and more possible that reality is actually a sophisticated 304 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: version of what we now call virtual reality, that this 305 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: may just be some kind of a big program, if 306 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: you will, similar to the Internet, and that it can 307 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: get hacked either by ourselves or by other beings out there, 308 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: and that maybe the internet and virtual reality is a 309 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: very good crude model of what is happening here on 310 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: a larger scale, given what we know about what's possible 311 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: with modern technology. How do you think that that fits 312 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: into this mystery of the flexibility of reality. Somebody not 313 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: too long ago made a very interesting point, I think, 314 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: on the possibility that we are living in a uh simulation, 315 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: and then they pointed out that, uh, you know, all 316 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: the time that's you know, we experience really what would 317 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: just be called glitches in our reality, whether it would 318 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: be the so called Mandela effect or you know, uh 319 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: weird synchronicities or even you know, very bizarre things like 320 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: you know, seeing UFOs goes decryptids. And they pointed out that, uh, 321 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: if we are living in a simulation, a constructed simulation 322 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: by some other intelligence, it's not going to be perfect, 323 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: and that there are going to be bugs that get 324 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: into the software every now and then, and that the 325 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: possibility that that these these weird things that we experience 326 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:42,959 Speaker 1: are the results of these bugs, uh or at an 327 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: extreme case, you know, maybe a virus accidentally infecting the system. 328 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: But uh, you know, it's uh it's an interesting idea, 329 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: you know. I mean the late writer science fiction writer, 330 00:23:55,840 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: Philip K. Dick. I mean, he gave a talk in uh, 331 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: France one time that was recorded on video, you know, 332 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: and you can find it on YouTube if you just 333 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: uh you know, go and look for it. And I 334 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: mean he talked about this. It was like in the 335 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: late seventies, I think, is what it was. And I 336 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: mean that's basically what he was saying. He was he 337 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: was saying that he thinks that reality is a simulation 338 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: of some kind. And you know a lot of his 339 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: books that he wrote about um took that tax that 340 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: that reality is never what we think that it is. 341 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: And uh, and I would have to agree with him. 342 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: I mean, there there are so many odd things that 343 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: go on in our lives all the time. Yeah, maybe 344 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: these glitches in the matrix are small opportunities for us 345 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: to glance behind the curtain once in a while and 346 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: get a clearer look at how all this has assembled. 347 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: When we come back from this break, you will hear 348 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: me ask Tim Swartz about one of the strange personal 349 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 1: experiences he has had. And he told me one of 350 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: the weirdest stories I have ever heard. Now you know me, 351 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: and coming from me, that means a lot, not just 352 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: because of what happened, but because of the investigative work 353 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 1: that he did. 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Well, when 393 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 1: it comes to your fascination with all this stuff, have 394 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: you had any personal experiences with any of these things 395 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: that stand out in your mind, and we're particularly influential. 396 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: One time, when I was working at station in Dayton, Ohio. UH, 397 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,719 Speaker 1: my assignment editor, who knew I was interested in this 398 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: kind of stuff, told me that they had gotten a 399 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: phone call from these uh, these people from Springfield, Ohio 400 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: who had seen an earlier report about Polder guist activity 401 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: that was going on in Columbus, Ohio, very very famous 402 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: case at the time. This would have been the middle 403 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, and UH wanted to know if there was, 404 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: you know, we had any information for them. So I 405 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: went to their house and took my my camera equipment 406 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: with me, not intending to do a news story on this, 407 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: but wanted to try to capture whatever I could on 408 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: this three quarter inch equipment that we were using at 409 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: the time. And the household was experiencing the Polder geist activity. 410 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: This was an elderly couple UH that they had kind 411 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: of adopted their grandchildren, a little boy and a little 412 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: girl because both their parents were in jail. And not 413 00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 1: too long after these children the boy was about a 414 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: the girl was about eleven going onto twelve. Uh. Not 415 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: too long after the kids arrived, then the house started 416 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: experiencing kind of like low level uh poldergeist wrapped on 417 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: the wall, things disappearing, furniture moving around, that sort of thing. 418 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: So when I was there, as soon as I almost 419 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: as soon as I got into the house, every battery 420 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: on my equipment die was just dead. And I had 421 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: charged it all before I left. And now you're talking 422 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: about these were these you know, the big nightcad batteries 423 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: at the camera, and then the recording decks used, and 424 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: not only were they dead, but the extras that I 425 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: brought with me were dead as well. And we were 426 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: sitting on the couch talking about what was going on, 427 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden we heard it sounded like 428 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: this huge bang somewhere in the house, and the uh, 429 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: the wife that to me, oh, it's getting ready to start. 430 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: I don't like what. And then but they're like, well, 431 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: a lot of times before things start, you we hear, 432 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: you know, what sounds like an explosion or something. And 433 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, just right in front of us, 434 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: from the ceiling, little rocks start falling down and they 435 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: would it looked like to me, and you know, I 436 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: mean like maybe you know, five o'clock in the afternoon, 437 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: so I mean, it wasn't dark or anything like that. 438 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,239 Speaker 1: But it looked like that these rocks were appearing like 439 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: just right below the ceiling and then falling to the floor. 440 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: And I picked them up, and they look like they're 441 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: like little white pieces of gravel that you would find 442 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: find out your driveway. And in fact, they had a 443 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: gravel driveway, and the rocks were exactly the same. Well, 444 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: maybe about seven or eight rocks fell down, So I 445 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: picked them up and marked them with a magic marker 446 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: with a an X, and then went out the back door, 447 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: and you know, they were in a they were out 448 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: in the country, and there was a corn field like 449 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: just right behind them. And this would have been about August, 450 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: so the corn was pretty high. So I took these 451 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: rocks and I chucked them all out into the corn field. 452 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: No sooner than I came back and sat down on 453 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: the couch than rocks started falling down from the same places. 454 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: And it was the same rocks with the with the 455 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: X on them. WHOA yeah and uh, And I said, 456 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: you know, the I could see everybody in the household. 457 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: The two adults were in the living room with me. 458 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: Down the hallway were the little boy and the little 459 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: girl in one of their rooms. I could see them 460 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: sitting on the bed playing a game of some kind, 461 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: so unless and then you know, and then a little 462 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: bit later I went up and they had it wasn't 463 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: much of an attic. It was more like a you know, 464 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: like a crawl space type of attic with uh installation 465 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: and then two by fours, So it would have been 466 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: really hard for anybody to have been hiding up there. 467 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: There's no holes in the ceiling that I could see, 468 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: so I don't know, you know. Uh. They told me 469 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: that afterwards, after that event, um, that the the activity 470 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: just kind of almost stopped, almost completely stopped within you know, 471 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: a few days after that. It was like whatever energies 472 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: were taking place in that house, that kind of uh 473 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: you know, spent their lot and and that was it. 474 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: But that was probably one of the most amazing things 475 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: that that that ever occurred to me, out of several others. Yeah, 476 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: that is one of the weirdest stories I've heard, because 477 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: if this were a hoax, then somebody in that house 478 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: would have had to slip outside, find those rocks that 479 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: you just chucked out into the corn field or whatever, 480 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: and then get them back in position them and go 481 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: through the whole process again without you noticing anything weird, 482 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: right right? Well? And you know, and the other thing is, 483 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: h why why did that? These people? You know, they 484 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: weren't interested in you know, in fact, they wanted to 485 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 1: make sure that I wasn't going to put this on television. Uh, 486 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: you know, because they were very cautious when I showed 487 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,879 Speaker 1: up with this equipment and I told him, no, this 488 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: was just to you know, to record everything as best 489 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: as I could. You know. They weren't going to write 490 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: a book or anything like that. They just wanted to 491 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: know what was going on and how it could be stopped. 492 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 1: You know. You know, before this, they had no idea. 493 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: They had never even heard of, you know, of the 494 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: Polder guys. But they saw the story that our station 495 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: had ran about the uh, the Roach Polder guy's case 496 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 1: going on in Columbus and around the same time, and 497 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 1: they were like, Hey, this is what's happening with us. 498 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: Our consciousness are our ultimate being, you know, spirit, soul, 499 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: whatever it is that that you would want to call 500 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: it probably exists not only in this reality, but in 501 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 1: an infinite number of realities all at the same time. Uh. 502 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 1: When when you hear people talking about reincarnation, past lives 503 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: even future lives. I think that we are having those 504 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: experiences at the same time that we're having our present experience, 505 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: all right, that the concept of past, present, and future 506 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 1: is wrong, that it's all occurring at the very same 507 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: time and the same way with all of these uh 508 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 1: multiple infinite realities. Everything is existing all at the same time. 509 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: So you know, if we if we could get a 510 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 1: better idea of of how our consciousness actually interacts with 511 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,359 Speaker 1: this universe, well, that would be a marvelous thing to 512 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: uh to study. So now the simplest question of all, 513 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 1: what is the meaning of life? Oh? My gosh, um, Well, 514 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: you know, okay, I to me, I think the meaning 515 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: of life is to um is the pursuit of knowledge, 516 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: because I mean, you know, you could say, well, you know, 517 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: the meaning to apply it is to you know, find 518 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: love and to make other you make yourself and make 519 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: others happy. Well, you know, the pursuit of knowledge uh 520 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,879 Speaker 1: involves all of that as well. Uh. So I mean 521 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: I think that I think that we are here to 522 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 1: try to learn about ourselves, about others, and about the 523 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: world that we live in. And in doing so, I 524 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: think that will you know, we'll develop a greater empathy. Uh, 525 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: for not only others, but for ourselves as well. My 526 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: old mentor, Charles Yost, a scientist, said the meaning of 527 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: life is to learn, and I think that means we're 528 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 1: all on the same page there, and uh, I couldn't 529 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,879 Speaker 1: agree more. We have to take a break, and when 530 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: we come back, I will I'll conclude this conversation with 531 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: Tim Schwartz. But I just want to jump in here 532 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,919 Speaker 1: and say that when he's talking about these stones, these 533 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: little rocks falling from the ceiling, you know that's really 534 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,240 Speaker 1: it's really weird. But it reminds me of how often 535 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 1: I hear similar stories when coins are falling instead of rocks. 536 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, I don't know, I mean, 537 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: why that happens unless you have a particular case where 538 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: let's say, you know, Grandpa used to give me a 539 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,320 Speaker 1: quarter every time I saw him, and after he died, 540 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,399 Speaker 1: now quarters will fall. You know that kind of synchronicity 541 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 1: can happen. But if you have an idea as to 542 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: how to explain this, I'd like to hear about it. 543 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 1: If you go to Joshua P. Warren dot com, you 544 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: can scroll down the home page there and you will 545 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: find my email address. But let me warn you. Okay. 546 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: I get over five thousand emails per week, and I 547 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 1: do my best to read them all, but I cannot 548 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: promise I will be able to read it or certainly respond. 549 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 1: I got a guy who emailed me the other day 550 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: and he said, I have emailed you three times and 551 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: you have an emailed me back. Have I offended you somehow? 552 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: I think, well, now you have, do you? I mean, 553 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: I don't think people realise how many messages I guess. 554 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: I said, what do you want to talk about? And 555 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 1: so he wrote me back and he said, I'm just 556 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: wondering when you go to certain locations, do you ever 557 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: get anxiety attacks? I said, no, that was it. That 558 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:25,720 Speaker 1: was it. Anyway. I'm gonna be on a television show 559 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: later this month. I'm recording this podcast in November of one, 560 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: and I think it might end up being kind of 561 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,280 Speaker 1: a controversial show. I'll tell you about it when we return. 562 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: I am Joshua pe Warren. You are listening to strange 563 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,360 Speaker 1: things on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast. 564 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:57,319 Speaker 1: I am Paranormal Podcast Network. I'll be right back at 565 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 1: paranormal date dot com. You meet the most fantastic people. Hi, 566 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,240 Speaker 1: I'm Tom. Hi, I'm Jennifer. What brings you here? Yeah, 567 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: I'm here to meet someone who understands me so well. 568 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:14,839 Speaker 1: I'm into UFOs, go stallions, big Foot, conspiracy theories, the paranormal, 569 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But can't seem to find anyone 570 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,359 Speaker 1: who gets here. 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Warren, and here 597 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: is the conclusion of my interview with a great tim 598 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: Are Sworts. Well, the clock is almost got us, so 599 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 1: let me just tell you. I would like for you 600 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 1: to take as as much time as you want to 601 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,480 Speaker 1: tell all the listeners whatever you want to tell them. 602 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: You tell them about your website, the books that you've written, 603 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,240 Speaker 1: any books that you're publishing that other people have written, 604 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,360 Speaker 1: any events you have coming up, just uh, whatever you 605 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 1: want to promote. The floor is yours all right? Thank you? Well? Um, 606 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 1: all of books and I've I've got a few of them, 607 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 1: you know, five or sex Tener twenty. Yeah, you can 608 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 1: find them all on Amazon dot com. Uh just you 609 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,879 Speaker 1: can just type in my name, Tim Schwartz and they'll 610 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 1: they'll pop up. My website is Conspiracy Journal dot com 611 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 1: and uh I've shared that over the years with the 612 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 1: late great Timothy green Buckley. UM. I also had a 613 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,880 Speaker 1: little publishing company of my own, and we've just recently 614 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 1: released a new book called The Secrets of Telepathic Control 615 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: by Kang and Sinha and uh ms missus Singa. Sinha 616 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 1: has also published the book Creatures of Thought, which has 617 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,000 Speaker 1: been very very popular. It deals with the the the 618 00:43:53,040 --> 00:44:00,360 Speaker 1: whole uh Taulpa phenomena and the the mental manipulations of laity. 619 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 1: So I highly recommend both of those books. We just 620 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 1: recently myself and Shaun cass Steele. Uh we're able to 621 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 1: recently finish Tim Beckley's book called Dulcie Warriors that Tim 622 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 1: had been working on at the time of his passing. 623 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:25,799 Speaker 1: So uh we had were able to get ahold of 624 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,439 Speaker 1: all of his chapters and uh notes and everything and 625 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 1: uh and get that finished. And that has now been 626 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 1: released and published and is available on Amazon dot com 627 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 1: as well. And so you know, we're myself and John 628 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 1: cass Steele are working on some new books along the 629 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 1: same lines as what we've always liked to publish over 630 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,560 Speaker 1: the years. And uh, you know, we'll be making some 631 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,520 Speaker 1: announcements in the near future on what their titles will be, alrighty, 632 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,560 Speaker 1: And of course I'm even included in the Dulci book. 633 00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,800 Speaker 1: That was certainly an honor and I'll to tell everybody 634 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,760 Speaker 1: more about that on this show soon. But Tim are sports. 635 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:09,279 Speaker 1: You have done a fantastic job of opening minds in 636 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,880 Speaker 1: the most fascinating ways, and I know we're going to 637 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,080 Speaker 1: stay in touch. I can't wait to see what you 638 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: do next. So thank you so much for your epic 639 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,480 Speaker 1: work and for being on the show. Well, I thank you, 640 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,600 Speaker 1: Joshua for having me on, and I hope your audience 641 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 1: enjoyed it as well. Yeah, his website is Conspiracy Journal 642 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 1: dot com. And sure enough, he sent me a copy 643 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,879 Speaker 1: of this new book that he has published, and it's 644 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 1: called Secrets of Telepathic Control, How to develop your psychic 645 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:49,000 Speaker 1: powers and have others obey your Silent Commands. And I 646 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: think I royally screwed up because when he sent this 647 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,719 Speaker 1: to me, I thought, you know, I'm really busy, uh, 648 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,920 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be like a few days before I 649 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,480 Speaker 1: can read this book. So I gave it to my 650 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,919 Speaker 1: wife Lauren and said, hey, if you want to read 651 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,480 Speaker 1: this book, you know, let me know how it is. 652 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,720 Speaker 1: And then like an hour later, I said, ah, crap, 653 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:20,000 Speaker 1: I just gave my wife a book called how to 654 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:24,400 Speaker 1: Develop your Psychic Powers and have others Obey your Silent Commands. 655 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,680 Speaker 1: There's literally a woman on the cover with a big 656 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:36,440 Speaker 1: you know, like spiral vortex controlling you, and I'm trying 657 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,000 Speaker 1: to get it back from her. Uh. So, look, do 658 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,359 Speaker 1: not make the mistake that I made. If you do 659 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,840 Speaker 1: not want your partner to get this before you do, 660 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,920 Speaker 1: I imagine. So I don't know. If I start acting weird, 661 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,719 Speaker 1: you'll know what's going on. Also, if you go to 662 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 1: conspiracy journal dot com, you will see this book. He 663 00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:00,920 Speaker 1: mentioned dull Say Warriors about the underground alien facility that 664 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,279 Speaker 1: they say is around dulsin New Mexico. And sure enough, 665 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,200 Speaker 1: this is the last book that Tim Beckley was working on. 666 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 1: And I was at Tim Beckley's apartment in New York, 667 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,240 Speaker 1: I think in two thousand and seven, and I sat 668 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,080 Speaker 1: down in and put him on camera and I interviewed 669 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,320 Speaker 1: him for a documentary that I was making. And then 670 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,439 Speaker 1: when we were done, he said, well, now I want 671 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,200 Speaker 1: to interview you, and and so we traded places and 672 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,960 Speaker 1: he filmed me and he interviewed me about the mystery 673 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 1: of the Brown Mountain lights because a lot of people 674 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,960 Speaker 1: talk about there being an underground alien base there Brown 675 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,640 Speaker 1: Mountain and so, uh, Tim Beckley said some very kind 676 00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,719 Speaker 1: things about me in the book and uh, and then 677 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,919 Speaker 1: he has the transcript in there. So that's a really 678 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,280 Speaker 1: nice thing to have. And you know, go to Conspiracy 679 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,320 Speaker 1: journal dot com or you know, Amazon dot com to 680 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,640 Speaker 1: to find those things. We're definitely going to keep in 681 00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:01,120 Speaker 1: touch with Mr Tim are Sorts. So again, I am 682 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:06,600 Speaker 1: recording this show in November of two thousand twenty one. 683 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,480 Speaker 1: And so for those of you who happened to be 684 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 1: listening um to the fresh recording, I'm gonna be on 685 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,799 Speaker 1: a I'm gonna be in a documentary. They're calling it 686 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,680 Speaker 1: a shock doc. Uh. The day after Thanksgiving, November twenty 687 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,719 Speaker 1: six one. It's called Demon In the White House. And 688 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,880 Speaker 1: you may recall me talking about White House ghost earlier, 689 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,880 Speaker 1: uh this year on a podcast. And you know, I 690 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,799 Speaker 1: say it controversial because you here Demon in the White House. Well, 691 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,960 Speaker 1: you know you can you can take that twist it 692 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,000 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. But here's what the travel 693 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:50,600 Speaker 1: channel dot com website says. Is it possible to grieving 694 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:56,160 Speaker 1: mothers dabbling in seances inside the presidential residence conjured something 695 00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:01,279 Speaker 1: other than their beloved sons? Shock dot Demon in the 696 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:06,759 Speaker 1: White House premieres on Discovery Plus on Friday, November twenty six, 697 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,040 Speaker 1: So that's a streaming thing Discovery Plus and then supposedly 698 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,919 Speaker 1: eventually it will end up on the Travel Channel as well. 699 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,360 Speaker 1: So let me try to read some more of this. Um, 700 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,279 Speaker 1: I think I got enough time here. The Seat of 701 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:24,320 Speaker 1: Power at six dred Pennsylvania Avenue, maybe the most haunted 702 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,080 Speaker 1: site in the world. The new shot doc Demon in 703 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:33,680 Speaker 1: the White House, launching Friday November six, Discovery Plus uncloaks 704 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,880 Speaker 1: the historic origins of the horror of two grieving first ladies. 705 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,680 Speaker 1: Did they unwittingly invite an evil presence with the malevolent 706 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,200 Speaker 1: agenda that may still torment America's presidents as well? As 707 00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:51,480 Speaker 1: their families, visitors and closest advisers. President Franklin Pierce and 708 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,440 Speaker 1: First Lady Jane Pierce lost their son Benjamin at age eleven. 709 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,240 Speaker 1: President Abraham Lincoln and First Lady Mary Todd son William 710 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,680 Speaker 1: died at the same age. Both children perished during their 711 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:09,960 Speaker 1: father's administration. The Shock doc thriller opens archival papers, correspondence, 712 00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:14,560 Speaker 1: and diaries to document a timeline of supernatural events that 713 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,839 Speaker 1: unfolded after these grieving families saw solace in the fashionable 714 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:24,480 Speaker 1: new spiritualism and seance movement and the potential catastrophic consequences 715 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,759 Speaker 1: that followed. And then they go into say, as new 716 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,080 Speaker 1: presidential families moved into the White House over the past 717 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:35,120 Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty years, they're continued to be supernatural 718 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:39,320 Speaker 1: activity and strange happenings within the walls of this famous residence. 719 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,720 Speaker 1: Uh goodness, this is kind of long. This is Harry Truman. 720 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,880 Speaker 1: Harry Truman, who wrote several letters to family members explaining 721 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,880 Speaker 1: the disturbances, said that uh, I'd see. He talked about 722 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,880 Speaker 1: it on nine separate occasions that he wrote about the 723 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,560 Speaker 1: ghost of the White House and once said, quote sure, 724 00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,359 Speaker 1: as shooting the places wunted, he did, he did, I've 725 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:08,280 Speaker 1: actually seen that correspondence, it's true, And then Uh says 726 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,359 Speaker 1: here it is believed that renovating a building can stir 727 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,280 Speaker 1: up ghostly activity. When the White House was being gutted, 728 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,480 Speaker 1: Truman hired National Park Service photographer Abbey Row to document 729 00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,880 Speaker 1: this historic process. And one ordinary photo shows a bulldozer 730 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 1: and three men standing in a corner, and on the 731 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:31,880 Speaker 1: other side of the frame is a figure that appears transparent. Uh. That's, 732 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,400 Speaker 1: of course the photograph that I extensively investigated and did 733 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,200 Speaker 1: little documentary about, which you can watch if you go 734 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,319 Speaker 1: to Joshua pe Warren dot com and click the link 735 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,160 Speaker 1: to World's Wildest Ghost Photos. By the way, you know what, 736 00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:51,719 Speaker 1: I almost forgot to mention this after talking to um 737 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:57,480 Speaker 1: the Tim Schwartz about the situation with Commander X. I 738 00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,080 Speaker 1: think some young, ambitious filmmakers should go out there and 739 00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,319 Speaker 1: get to the bottom of who Commander X was and 740 00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,160 Speaker 1: do a documentary about that. Wouldn't that be cool? I 741 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:12,120 Speaker 1: would watch that a Commander who was Commander X documentary anyway. 742 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,279 Speaker 1: So yeah, if you are on Discovery Plus, you can 743 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:20,879 Speaker 1: see me. And I haven't seen it yet, so I'm 744 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,000 Speaker 1: taking a risk by promoting it. I hope I don't 745 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:28,400 Speaker 1: look luck some dufits on there. You never know. Okay, 746 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,759 Speaker 1: my friends, it's time for us to wrap this particular 747 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,839 Speaker 1: show up, and so let's do it in the usual way. 748 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:39,520 Speaker 1: Shall we take a deep breath, close your eyes, relax, 749 00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,040 Speaker 1: and absorb the good fortune of the good fortune. Tom 750 00:52:44,080 --> 00:53:10,240 Speaker 1: here it is. That's it for this edition of the show. 751 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,560 Speaker 1: Follow me on Twitter at Joshua pe Warren. Plus visit 752 00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,200 Speaker 1: Joshua pe Warren dot com to sign up for my 753 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:22,080 Speaker 1: free e newsletter to receive a free instant gift, and 754 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,160 Speaker 1: check out the cool Stuff and the Curiosity Shop all 755 00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,640 Speaker 1: at Joshua P. Warren dot com. I have a fun 756 00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,960 Speaker 1: one lined up for you next time, I promise. So 757 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,240 Speaker 1: please tell all your friends to subscribe to this show 758 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:40,600 Speaker 1: and to always remember the Golden rule. Thank you for listening, 759 00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,480 Speaker 1: thank you for your interest in support, thank you for 760 00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:49,400 Speaker 1: staying curious, and I We'll talk to you again soon. 761 00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,839 Speaker 1: You've been listening to Strange Things on the I Heart 762 00:53:53,920 --> 00:54:10,640 Speaker 1: Radio and Coast to Coast st a UM Paranormal podcast network. Mh. Well, 763 00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,960 Speaker 1: if you like this episode of Strange Things, wait till 764 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,799 Speaker 1: you hear the next one. 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