Speaker 1: Twelve of the NFL's finest quarterbacks have left the comfort
Speaker 1: of their stadiums and luxury suites for the adventure of
Speaker 1: a lifetime. These grid Iron heroes are used to leading
Speaker 1: their teams on the field, but can they outplay, outlast,
Speaker 1: and outthrow each other in the ultimate survival challenge?
Speaker 2: Late everything you have with the gobine tie you, we
Speaker 2: find a way to win.
Speaker 1: The No matter what, the stakes are high and the
Speaker 1: competition is fierce, only one can claim the title of
Speaker 1: the ultimate survivor. Who will rise to the top and
Speaker 1: who will be sacked?
Speaker 3: They wrote me off, I ain't right back, though, that's
Speaker 3: the problem.
Speaker 2: I'm right back. Let's go.
Speaker 1: This is Quarterback Island.
Speaker 2: It is Quarterback Island.
Speaker 4: Feel it.
Speaker 2: Welcome to NFL Daily, where it's always island time. I'm
Speaker 2: Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Westling podcast studio, so
Speaker 2: lucky to be joined for this special Quarterback Island edition
Speaker 2: of NFL Daily by Steve Weiss, an original voter of
Speaker 2: course Back Island, Jordan Rodrigue of The Athletic, and Colleen Wolfe,
Speaker 2: whose tension I can feel from here.
Speaker 5: Hey, I feel super not stressed today, but I was
Speaker 5: just thinking that Wes would absolutely love this segment, especially
Speaker 5: just from the Tybee Island.
Speaker 2: Of it all.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, this is so perfect.
Speaker 3: I'm excited about it.
Speaker 2: It is and Colleen's asking for what are the rules,
Speaker 2: and it's like it's like.
Speaker 4: Being pressed out.
Speaker 6: It's more of a state of mind.
Speaker 2: But for the listeners that missed the show that we
Speaker 2: did in the middle of August, we did vote on
Speaker 2: twelve quarterbacks who would be the original members of Quarterback Island.
Speaker 2: In my mind, they are the twelve quarterbacks who define
Speaker 2: the position when you vote for him, and today we're
Speaker 2: going to decide who stays and who goes.
Speaker 7: The timing is everything too, as Greg and I have
Speaker 7: gone back and forth on the.
Speaker 8: Lost several weeks.
Speaker 7: Four game sample size right now, But Colleen, you should
Speaker 7: know that you can attach meaning to different quarterbacks based
Speaker 7: on reputation, based on situation that they're in. Quarterback Island
Speaker 7: is not just a wonderful place, a legitimate geographic location,
Speaker 7: but also an idea of what to strive for.
Speaker 8: Okay as a quarterback?
Speaker 5: All right, yeah, Because I'm sitting there and I'm like, well,
Speaker 5: is this based on their performance through the first four
Speaker 5: weeks of the season, is this based on just who
Speaker 5: they are as a quarterback up until this point, the
Speaker 5: carryover from us before.
Speaker 6: Oh yes, is this like?
Speaker 5: But then that gives me it's a different list for
Speaker 5: every type of category.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna be fine, fly free, Colleen, Quarterback Island.
Speaker 9: Just picture this picture of body Water quarterback elandrib is
Speaker 9: next to Revis Island, right, Okay, bigger, okay, okay, all right.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I think the first thing we should do
Speaker 2: is introduce who are on the island, the original original members,
Speaker 2: and yes, uh let's bring in their names. Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, Joe Burrow. This is a no order, Jack Prescott,
Speaker 2: Jared Goff, Rock Purdy, Jalen Hurts, Matthew Stafford, Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 2: c J. Stroud, Jordan Love into a tongue of islok.
Speaker 2: And I thought one way to start because what I
Speaker 2: want to do here, you know, we're four weeks into
Speaker 2: the season and it is kind of balancing, like, okay,
Speaker 2: what they've looked like, what we think is their fault,
Speaker 2: what's not their fault is I'm going to throw out
Speaker 2: seven guys right off the top that I think should
Speaker 2: just stay on the island.
Speaker 6: We'll just start there.
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's going to be a lot
Speaker 2: of debate about these guys or either way. But then
Speaker 2: we can talk about these guys either way, because they
Speaker 2: deserve to be talking about it. So here are my
Speaker 2: seven guys that you can vote at the end. Tell
Speaker 2: me basically at the end of these guys, like, if
Speaker 2: you disagree that they should stay on the island, okay,
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, Patrick, Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, and Joe Burrow, c
Speaker 2: J Stroud, Rock Purdy in Matthew Stafford, those seven to
Speaker 2: me should stay on the island. And I was thinking
Speaker 2: there wasn't gonna be a lot of debate about these seven. Oh,
Speaker 2: but I'm already seeing that I had shaken over there.
Speaker 9: Matthew Stafford, what he's got two touchdown passes. He's got
Speaker 9: as many touchdown passes as Jacoby Brissett. Okay, let's talk
Speaker 9: about he's still on the island.
Speaker 2: Jordan. This is one of the reasons why I wrote
Speaker 2: him on my on list, because I just felt like,
Speaker 2: Jordan covers this man.
Speaker 7: Closes already separating himself from them, and respects.
Speaker 6: Him a lot.
Speaker 2: Was like, of course, we're keeping Matthew Stafford on the Island. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're making a face and some of the some of
Speaker 2: the analytics aren't great for him pff, which is not analytics.
Speaker 2: It's more of a grading of play to play. I
Speaker 2: was shocked they had him like twenty fifth twenty sixth
Speaker 2: if you look at turnover where he plays big time throws.
Speaker 2: I'm I was kind of shocked he had like a
Speaker 2: three to five ratio of He hasn't had that many
Speaker 2: big time trists.
Speaker 6: I mean to me, he has, I thought he has.
Speaker 2: I know that's where where That's why I'm saying none
Speaker 2: of this is perfect there. You can go by a
Speaker 2: bunch of different metrics. You can go by the eye test.
Speaker 2: To my eye test, he's still playing at a very
Speaker 2: high level.
Speaker 7: I use the same logic that I used to say
Speaker 7: yes to Bruck Purdy being on the island. Just invert
Speaker 7: the inversion of it, which is I'm not going to
Speaker 7: punish a player who's playing at a high level for
Speaker 7: what is going on around him.
Speaker 8: That it is one of my most Yeah, especially, I'm
Speaker 8: not going.
Speaker 3: To do that.
Speaker 7: Some people, and I won't say who, but some people
Speaker 7: might punish people.
Speaker 2: Are you getting after me? The guy on your left there,
Speaker 2: Why is the one trying to take him up?
Speaker 7: Stafford is so I will say, like if you if
Speaker 7: you watch his film now, this last game, the loss
Speaker 7: at Chicago, that got a little tricky, there was a
Speaker 7: couple of big time drives from him that throw a
Speaker 7: DeMarcus Robbins in the middle of the field is one
Speaker 7: of them. But this situation with Matthew Stafford, I think
Speaker 7: he's playing especially in consideration of what's happening around him.
Speaker 7: He is playing at an extremely high level in consideration
Speaker 7: of missing Cooper Cup, missing Pukakua, having no timing with
Speaker 7: these guys who are now thrust into the one and
Speaker 7: two spot, which is a completely different role than they
Speaker 7: were playing as.
Speaker 8: The three and four.
Speaker 2: Steve.
Speaker 7: He's playing with a rookie center and left guard who
Speaker 7: couldn't even make the team for the first two years
Speaker 7: after being a third round pick, and there's been so
Speaker 7: much reshuffling and different game planning. The one constant of
Speaker 7: this team has been Matthew Stafford's play. And again difficult
Speaker 7: day against a great pass defense in Chicago. Should have
Speaker 7: run the ball more, but they absolutely three of the
Speaker 7: four games. First four games this season, Matthew Stafford has
Speaker 7: played at a extremely high level, and particularly in consideration
Speaker 7: of all of the chaos that's going.
Speaker 6: On around And I agree, I agree with all that.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 9: But he's played competitively, he's played well. He's coming to
Speaker 9: the fight with a butter knife. I'm just saying there's
Speaker 9: other people who have played better regardless of their circumstance.
Speaker 2: Right, Because if we're not going to punish people for
Speaker 2: good circumstances, we maybe can't give too.
Speaker 7: There are very few circumstances this bad that have started
Speaker 7: out this bad in week one and week two. That's
Speaker 7: when they start losing all of their line and all
Speaker 7: of their receivers. Like this started out terribly immediately. So
Speaker 7: I'm not even comparing the disasters here. I'm more saying this,
Speaker 7: this quarterback is lifting this offense as much as he can.
Speaker 5: It feels like, you know, his stay on the island
Speaker 5: could be coming to an end if they in you
Speaker 5: in this direction. It's like he's got a really bad
Speaker 5: sunburn on the island.
Speaker 3: I'm just looking at someone you're you're gonna put off.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're saying, dak, I'm just saying no, I'm those
Speaker 2: are just guys. This we're supposed to be guys that
Speaker 2: we didn't need like a long discussion about whether they're
Speaker 2: on or off. Yeah, and I love That's one the
Speaker 2: thing about Quarterback Island. You never know what kind of
Speaker 2: reverses are going to pop up that we.
Speaker 6: We jumped right into it with Stafford. But you may
Speaker 6: make a point.
Speaker 2: And what if I mean if we got really crazy
Speaker 2: and things are a little dark there in LA right now,
Speaker 2: I mean, what if he got kicked off rams Island?
Speaker 7: That yeah, I mean, I'm just saying, Colleen, I think
Speaker 7: you bring up a really good point in that. It
Speaker 7: is like I think he's on the island. In four
Speaker 7: games from now, he might not be. And we're looking
Speaker 7: at this four games at a time.
Speaker 4: Witch is getting and I'll bring him back.
Speaker 3: I'll bring him back.
Speaker 6: You never know, he could.
Speaker 3: I'll bring him back.
Speaker 2: He could. He could come back if we need to
Speaker 2: kick someone off here. But let's let's do an early vote. Everyone.
Speaker 2: Hold up, if you're watching on YouTube, we do have
Speaker 2: placards that are very tropical. But I want you to say,
Speaker 2: say your vote. I vote that yes, Stafford stays on
Speaker 2: the island.
Speaker 5: I think he's on, but he's on short notice here
Speaker 5: this is on turned upside down, so.
Speaker 7: You haven't know they're going to send him out for
Speaker 7: they're going to send him out for cigarettes.
Speaker 6: In a minute, we have voted you Stee, he's on.
Speaker 2: Before we move on, just from these guys, because look,
Speaker 2: this is more than half of QB Island, and I
Speaker 2: think they deserve to be talked about. Uh Colleen like Mahomes, Purdy, Stroud,
Speaker 2: Burrow Lamar Uh any one of these guys, Josh Allen,
Speaker 2: like any any one of these guys kind of stuck
Speaker 2: out to you this year as someone you've enjoyed watching
Speaker 2: doing something surprising. I don't know you want to give
Speaker 2: some love to.
Speaker 5: I mean, if we're going to talk about a quarterback
Speaker 5: who I've enjoyed watching and who has been surprising, but
Speaker 5: I don't think he's it's so hard to say that
Speaker 5: he's already earned a spot on Quarterback Island, but Jade
Speaker 5: and Daniels has been.
Speaker 2: Hold that hold hold from this group of guys.
Speaker 6: I just wanted to give like Purty some love.
Speaker 9: For instance, I was about to say, what about his
Speaker 9: circumstances we talk about Stafford, Party's.
Speaker 3: Got to be on there for the same reason.
Speaker 7: In the same logic, right, Yeah, I agree, I agree,
Speaker 7: and he's on it. Us. I was reading, you know,
Speaker 7: digging a little bit deeper into the stats on this
Speaker 7: because he has been shut up, because we have we
Speaker 7: have been discussing brock Perty in this context, especially, Oh,
Speaker 7: what's he gonna do when he doesn't have McCaffrey, When
Speaker 7: he doesn't he didn't have Kittle for a game.
Speaker 8: You know, what's he gonna do without Debo? It's interesting.
Speaker 7: So he has a league high eleven hundred and thirty
Speaker 7: passing yards this season. Just twenty six point four percent
Speaker 7: of those yards have come from after the catch. So
Speaker 7: that's the lowest rate of any qualifying quarterback in a
Speaker 7: season in the next gen stats there. So remember the
Speaker 7: conversation about Perty was get the ball to his playmakers
Speaker 7: and let them create the yards for him, sort of
Speaker 7: stat padding, that kind of a thing.
Speaker 8: That was a big argument that that year.
Speaker 7: But now he's creating those yards himself. To a limited
Speaker 7: cast that includes Brandon Ayuku's not does not look like
Speaker 7: all the.
Speaker 2: Time, right, I think he is playing did best football
Speaker 2: of his career. I think he's playing top five football.
Speaker 3: I would agree in.
Speaker 2: Terms of how he's playing this year, he'd be ahead
Speaker 2: of a handful of guys on on that are already
Speaker 2: locked in Mahomes being one, which is crazy to say,
Speaker 2: uh almost everyone. Like he's still tops and yards per
Speaker 2: attempt by like half a yard, which is like, okay,
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers off and still getting. But just
Speaker 2: the eye test you mentioned, like his air yards for
Speaker 2: this season, he has a couple hundred more than anyone
Speaker 2: else in the league. And you can just see it.
Speaker 2: He's extending plays, he's throwing the ball deep. I think
Speaker 2: he's gone to another level. So just just shout out
Speaker 2: to brock.
Speaker 3: Bart he's got umbrella on the island.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's wild, Like I didn't want that.
Speaker 2: Perhaps one thing I think people that were a little
Speaker 2: bit of a Brock doubters like myself when he was
Speaker 2: first coming on the scene, is like forgetting how young
Speaker 2: he is, that he can develop and continue to improve,
Speaker 2: just like highly touted you know, players like Joe Burrow
Speaker 2: Can and c. J.
Speaker 6: Stroud love watching him play. Mahomes.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to kind of bring up as part
Speaker 2: of this exercise, so we all just agreed that he
Speaker 2: went on, but like he's not playing that well. I
Speaker 2: thought he had his best game on Sunday, so that helped,
Speaker 2: like solidify. I don't think he would have been at
Speaker 2: risk going off the island. He's managed games very well.
Speaker 2: But like, is Patrick Mahomes playing that well well? I
Speaker 2: think you can take a little bit of the situation
Speaker 2: out and say, like I've seen him in bad situations before,
Speaker 2: and even to that standard, I don't know if he's
Speaker 2: playing like that well like crazy.
Speaker 5: No, I mean I think that it's Mahomes. I mean
Speaker 5: Lamar and even Burrow with the carryover. For me, that's
Speaker 5: like those guys have to stay on the island because
Speaker 5: of their body of work. But obviously Mahomes has not
Speaker 5: been the same type of player this year and it's
Speaker 5: affecting everyone. We did see Kelsey get a little bit
Speaker 5: more involved this week, which was good, but now with
Speaker 5: Rashie Rice going down, like they're really going to have
Speaker 5: to rely on Xavier Worthy going forward, and I just
Speaker 5: they're already having issues now as it is, you rely
Speaker 5: on Kareem Hunt, right.
Speaker 2: It was nice to see him go down the field
Speaker 2: a little bit. That was actually the longest touchdown fast
Speaker 2: he had had in a long time.
Speaker 4: In terms of why are you doing that before?
Speaker 2: No, I just want to give some stats just to
Speaker 2: put in context. Twenty second in completion percentage over expected.
Speaker 2: This is Patrick Mahomes twelth andy eleventh and success right
Speaker 2: thirteenth at PFF. I just wanted to get a broad
Speaker 2: spectrum that if six touchdowns, five interceptions seventeenth in QBR.
Speaker 2: So if this was someone else just looking at the
Speaker 2: statistical profile, he would kind of be on the borderline of.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's just the beauty.
Speaker 7: It's quarterback Island, though, because we kind of do grandfather
Speaker 7: certain players in because that's they they deserve. That is yeah,
Speaker 7: But also, okay, I have you guys tell me if
Speaker 7: I'm crazy and listen first before you do that.
Speaker 8: Like, there's a I have this weird.
Speaker 7: Theory that I've sort of been marinating on about what's
Speaker 7: going on with the Chiefs offense right now because there
Speaker 7: obviously there's a lot of new receivers and a lot
Speaker 7: of new players, and they're trying to figure out how
Speaker 7: to play the best football that they can. Understanding they're
Speaker 7: probably going down the stretch. Yet again, my theory, you're
Speaker 7: seeing some of the underneath stuff. You're seeing some of
Speaker 7: them try different things with different receivers and just different
Speaker 7: drop back footwork and combinations things like that. I think
Speaker 7: they're kind of in the middle of onboarding these guys,
Speaker 7: like to where you're through that you're getting them adjusted
Speaker 7: with specifically Mahome. You don't need any more reps with Kelsey,
Speaker 7: like you you understand what that what that's going to
Speaker 7: look like when the time comes for him to really
Speaker 7: turn the gas.
Speaker 2: I think they look at September tryout.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so that's what that's really what I that's my
Speaker 7: theory of what I think is now obviously you don't
Speaker 7: want to lose a receiver during that time, and we'll
Speaker 7: see if they make a move here. But I think
Speaker 7: it's really that's sort of my suspicion, like Andy Reid's
Speaker 7: in the lab, but like in public in front of everybody, right, hmmm,
Speaker 7: I like that one.
Speaker 6: I think that's true.
Speaker 9: Yeah, And their O line play hasn't been great, just
Speaker 9: like last year. I mean last year we're getting twenty
Speaker 9: seven penalties a game. They clean that up, I mean,
Speaker 9: so they'll they'll figure it out. But just not having
Speaker 9: some of these receiving weapons is going to be an issue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Belichick defensively, would use the first part
Speaker 2: of the season to try a lot of different things
Speaker 2: and see who's stuck. And now Andy Reid he's always
Speaker 2: done that. He did that in Philadelphia.
Speaker 9: Oh.
Speaker 2: I remember back on when I worked at Pro Football Talk,
Speaker 2: I would say, this guy's the like he's like an
Speaker 2: offensive revolutionary. And everyone hated Andy Reid back then just
Speaker 2: because he couldn't get over the hump. Now he's finally
Speaker 2: one of the greatest coaches of all time. Okay, so
Speaker 2: we've got our seven guys on again, Josh Allen, Mahomes,
Speaker 2: Lamar Burrows, Stroud Stafford Party, they're on. We're just I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna quickly. I just want to mention some guys
Speaker 2: I don't think are going to be brought up for
Speaker 2: nomination today, just just to like give the context of
Speaker 2: the whole quarterback position. We're not going to go through
Speaker 2: each team, but Kirk Cousins, it's not going so well
Speaker 2: in Atlanta.
Speaker 3: R No, not going to be talked to me and
Speaker 3: I fought for him, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was on the borderline. Last I just want
Speaker 2: to throw out that if you did a blind taste test,
Speaker 2: there was no number like name on the back of
Speaker 2: the Jersey, and you could say that Andy Dalton's two
Speaker 2: games would have been four games and you just watched
Speaker 2: that quality of quarterback.
Speaker 6: I think he's someone we would talk about.
Speaker 8: I would agree, well, not a big enough sample size.
Speaker 6: Which is like exciting.
Speaker 10: I love Darnold and Dalton, so it's very exciting to
Speaker 10: me that, like, now, all this time later and here
Speaker 10: we are in the Chris Westling podcast too, what if
Speaker 10: Andy Dalton maybe this is the year that he's above
Speaker 10: the Daltons.
Speaker 2: You know that he's above It's only two games. I
Speaker 2: don't want to get carried away. Trevor Lawrence. We we
Speaker 2: didn't even really give consideration. He's, you know, at the
Speaker 2: bottom of the list here right now. Caleb Williams, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna take the l on pushing for him to be
Speaker 2: initially on the quarterback Island. I got out voted. Thank you,
Speaker 2: good you say job guys. Anthony Richardson obviously struggling Deshaun
Speaker 2: Watson one of the worst quarterbacks, and like, all right.
Speaker 9: Let's hold up, hold up, what about Derek Carr. Okay,
Speaker 9: maybe it was going to get him drowning last Yes.
Speaker 2: I was even gonna maybe drowning give Derek Carr the
Speaker 2: respect of maybe we'll even bring him up even though
Speaker 2: we kind of know.
Speaker 6: But no, I think you're right.
Speaker 5: I texted kerr Orner about this because I was like,
Speaker 5: all right, who who would you put on the island?
Speaker 5: And the criteria was performance through the first four weeks,
Speaker 5: and Carr made the list, okay, which I that was
Speaker 5: the most surprising to me.
Speaker 2: Of all I mean numbers, the numbers are are still
Speaker 2: for me blow by the first two weeks, and I
Speaker 2: actually think he's played better than people gave him credit
Speaker 2: for the last week. He's just been back to being
Speaker 2: like a good version of Derek Carr instead of crazy guy.
Speaker 7: I think was the drop was so dramatic. I went
Speaker 7: through true media filters and I put weeks one to
Speaker 7: two EPA per drop back and weeks three to four
Speaker 7: and extrapolated them from each other. And he drops from
Speaker 7: up at the top, you know, in the top three
Speaker 7: and weeks one and two to number sixteen. Yeah, through
Speaker 7: three and four. That's such a significant swing for me
Speaker 7: that I just couldn't I couldn't vote him.
Speaker 2: On too far from the twelve though now it's not
Speaker 2: an eye test wise, I actually think he's playing well,
Speaker 2: still gets a little panicked against pressure. SODA's dared goff
Speaker 2: a guy we're going to talk about like. But for
Speaker 2: the most part, even the last two weeks where they've lost,
Speaker 2: I think he's played well enough to win. They needed
Speaker 2: a touchdown drive at the end of last week game
Speaker 2: they got one. Is he the new Dalton scale? He
Speaker 2: might be.
Speaker 6: We'll see what happens this season.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get let's get to the juicy stuff
Speaker 2: here before we take a break.
Speaker 6: I want to Oh, we haven't yet.
Speaker 8: Geez.
Speaker 6: I'm just saying.
Speaker 2: Now we're really talking about who's going on, who's going off.
Speaker 6: Let's just kick some guys off to start.
Speaker 2: I think taking idiot vote onto a tongue of Iloa
Speaker 2: unfortunate injury. So it's unfair to him. But the Jordan rules,
Speaker 2: we all do we all? Yeah, not much need to
Speaker 2: be said. Okay, So to hope he's doing good. Uh,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna nominate Jordan Love to be kicked off no
Speaker 2: matter what happens.
Speaker 8: I agree with you.
Speaker 6: Let me talk about him first. Let's talk.
Speaker 8: There's just too small of a sample sat so far
Speaker 8: through through this year. But I so I agree with you.
Speaker 7: On that.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't want.
Speaker 5: I want Obviously the three interceptions last week, they were bad,
Speaker 5: and I'm just looking at the one game. But he
Speaker 5: did play really well against a Brian Flora's defense, which
Speaker 5: no one else has been able to do yet. Uh,
Speaker 5: the sample size is pretty small, but the comeback on
Speaker 5: Sunday was furious in the quarter. So if you could
Speaker 5: just extrapolate that fourth quarter over all four quarters, it
Speaker 5: would be different.
Speaker 4: But he's it's tough. I kind of want to keep
Speaker 4: him on the island though, but.
Speaker 2: Like does he defined the quarterback position? My reason for
Speaker 2: taking him off more than anything is I think the
Speaker 2: two games he's played has been pretty erratic. I mean,
Speaker 2: there were weird games that the field in Brazil was
Speaker 2: weird and in this game was weird. He's coming off
Speaker 2: an injury, didn't look totally one hundred percent, but the
Speaker 2: accuracy was kind of all over the place. So even
Speaker 2: just judging on those two games, to me, that's not
Speaker 2: quarterback island material. And then he's not Mahomes. He doesn't
Speaker 2: have the history either, So is it.
Speaker 5: Fair though to judge him on one complete game, like
Speaker 5: one game that he can he can.
Speaker 3: Get Jordan rules here.
Speaker 9: I'm I'm introduced, Jordan said, if you've got an injury.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jordan is it is kind of like, uh, it
Speaker 2: is kind of like one of those actors who also
Speaker 2: have executive producer credit, Like she's Jeff Propes now, like
Speaker 2: she's cashing so many different checks here. She came up
Speaker 2: with the rules and yeah, I think the injury and
Speaker 2: just a little erratic. Guys have played better than him
Speaker 2: for the time he's been out there. So are we
Speaker 2: all in agreement.
Speaker 4: About I think it's unfair.
Speaker 2: Okay, Colleagen's voting, Yeah, I like that. I think she
Speaker 2: knows she was out voted. It was a safe Yes.
Speaker 7: I understand how this is going to sound. But I'm
Speaker 7: holding on for Love to make it in the next
Speaker 7: four games.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I think that's absolutely fair. Jordan Love could
Speaker 2: be right after week eight, All right after week eight
Speaker 2: in Matt Stafford, all right, we are going to take
Speaker 2: a quick break here. Seven guys are on the island.
Speaker 2: Two have been voted off, and you know we're not
Speaker 2: inhumane here. They're going on a nice little sea cruise
Speaker 2: together and some of them heading back to the mainland
Speaker 2: to uh in Jordan Love, when we come back, we
Speaker 2: will talk about who is coming onto the island. Some
Speaker 2: of the toughest discussions of who might get looted off
Speaker 2: back on Quarterback Island, the place every quarterback wants to
Speaker 2: be when their little kids they grow up and they say,
Speaker 2: I want to move there someday. That is the absolute
Speaker 2: pinnacle of the profession. Forget the Hall of Fame, forget
Speaker 2: winning Super Bowls. You just want to be in that
Speaker 2: group because it's more more attainable. Frankly, I mean these
Speaker 2: poor guys, Josh Allen Stroud. It's like Mahomes doesn't let
Speaker 2: him win any super Bowls. But you get on Quarterback Allen, like.
Speaker 5: An overwater bungalow would be like, that's what everyone is
Speaker 5: trying to nice Boro move exactly.
Speaker 2: Like who's like the sneaky m VP. Just in terms
Speaker 2: of vibes on the island, do you think.
Speaker 8: Oh, Mahomes for sure, he really brings the beer too.
Speaker 4: I could see that. I feel like Josh Allen is
Speaker 4: kind of like.
Speaker 8: Allen's in charge of the board game.
Speaker 2: Yeahs, I was gonna say, like Mahomes would be low
Speaker 2: on my list of like.
Speaker 3: Are completely missing it.
Speaker 9: Joey Burrow, Yeah, that's yeah, you're right, Joe Sisty.
Speaker 2: I was thinking Burrow and Lamar, would Lamar Lamar be fun?
Speaker 2: They'd all be trying to like impress Lamar just by
Speaker 2: being cool and stuff. All right, let's uh, let's go
Speaker 2: to guys we want to nominate onto the Apple to
Speaker 2: go on the island. I think so unless we want
Speaker 2: to talk about unless anyone wants to talk about guys
Speaker 2: that we definitely want to boot off.
Speaker 6: I think all of these dominates is going to be contingent.
Speaker 2: Right now, we have two open spots, so I think
Speaker 2: if we first thing we can do is put two
Speaker 2: guys onto the island, like, there are two open spots.
Speaker 2: So I will leave the floor to who it's. It's
Speaker 2: like Congress. Just whoever jumps in and wants to nominate,
Speaker 2: all right, how Congress works, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is, so I'm sure of it. Right, It's
Speaker 5: just like Judge Connie. It works, but it all works
Speaker 5: the same way. I nominate Baker Mayfield, whoa it?
Speaker 3: I love it, I love it, I love it, thank you,
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 5: Baker Mayfield, who is constantly doubted, is constantly kind of
Speaker 5: one of those guys where people almost forget about him
Speaker 5: when they're talking about quarterback play. He has been unbelievable
Speaker 5: this year and he absolutely deserves a spot on Quarterback Island.
Speaker 5: When you look at the other guys that are on
Speaker 5: here that are like Jalen Hurts, I mean, Baker Mayfield
Speaker 5: one thousand percent has been better than Hurts.
Speaker 4: So he's on.
Speaker 9: Eight touchdowns, two interceptions, He's got one hundred and six
Speaker 9: point nine pass rate, and it puts him in the
Speaker 9: top five. Plus his team is leading the division. I
Speaker 9: think a Baker gets serious. I think the I think
Speaker 9: that the propeller boat is pushing towards the island.
Speaker 2: Okay, sometimes early and the you want to put everyone
Speaker 2: on the island, but we just have a lot of
Speaker 2: other players.
Speaker 3: Okay, could get through. Can I state the obvioence want
Speaker 3: Sam Darnold?
Speaker 6: Okay, Well, let's let's get through the Baker thing for it.
Speaker 2: She put him up for nomination, So if if we
Speaker 2: want a table to vote for Baker until later, we can.
Speaker 2: I think the negatives would be he played one of
Speaker 2: the worst games I've seen any quarterback play. Yes, in
Speaker 2: three Annie's Baker Mayfield, and so we've seen the ups
Speaker 2: and the downs, hold ups, and downs.
Speaker 6: In his career. There's been ups, there's been downs.
Speaker 3: You hit him with Annie's Baker makes.
Speaker 2: What I mean to say is that if you're going
Speaker 2: to get a spot on the island and you've had
Speaker 2: a career that's been up and down and you have
Speaker 2: limitations as a quarterback, I need you to be red hot.
Speaker 2: I need you to be closer to what Sam Darnold is.
Speaker 2: I need you to not have that Week three blemish
Speaker 2: kind of dragging down some of the numbers in some
Speaker 2: of my.
Speaker 4: Second the league and passing touchdowns?
Speaker 5: Is that a good metric if you're measuring quarterbacks passing touchdowns?
Speaker 6: It's okay. I mean I definitely prefer others.
Speaker 7: He just misses the island in terms of EPA per
Speaker 7: drop back at thirteen.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 7: However, However, like I gotta tell you guys this, when
Speaker 7: this guy wills a win, it's hard to find people
Speaker 7: who will a team the way that when he goes
Speaker 7: into like darkness mode and his brain, it does remind me,
Speaker 7: I mean, they're not the same at all. Reminds me
Speaker 7: of a staff and he kind of goes full on
Speaker 7: like serial killer, like I'm going to scratch and claw
Speaker 7: and fight my way and steal souls for this win.
Speaker 7: But Baker does it in this way that's like I'm
Speaker 7: going to put my body on the line for it. Also,
Speaker 7: so it's you know, I can understand why he has
Speaker 7: been nominated for Quarterback Island because I've not seen that's
Speaker 7: just that extra special little it factor for a competitor.
Speaker 7: But that that game was also one of the I
Speaker 7: mean that was.
Speaker 2: I also amusing my gut my eye test, and yeah,
Speaker 2: I just think I think he has he has limitations
Speaker 2: where he's close, he's on the list, but to put
Speaker 2: him right on, so.
Speaker 5: Let's take I'll just say that he is the FedEx
Speaker 5: Air Player of the Week, so he could be taking
Speaker 5: that plane to the Island.
Speaker 8: I love that for him.
Speaker 2: But yeah, to your point, seventeenth and completion percentage over expected,
Speaker 2: he's around tenth eleventh like an EPA and stuff. But
Speaker 2: I think they're doing a good job coaching around him
Speaker 2: and not they're playing with his limited I think he
Speaker 2: just has some limitations where I want to get to
Speaker 2: some guys who maybe have have fewer limitations.
Speaker 9: Okay, so let's have the slam dunk Sam Donald. Okay,
Speaker 9: if we're talking to Sam Donald, I.
Speaker 8: Am a full freaking yes, Yea Donald.
Speaker 3: Come on and look at Rosie. What do you you're
Speaker 3: talking about? Limitation?
Speaker 2: I will I wanted to find out how many, how many?
Speaker 2: How many spots are open? First of all, like we
Speaker 2: don't know for now only two spots are open. Would
Speaker 2: he be that in my top two of guys to
Speaker 2: put onto the island that are available?
Speaker 6: To know? He wouldn't?
Speaker 8: I have a question what anyone on the island.
Speaker 7: Let's let's permit this is Greg Island now, this deserted island.
Speaker 2: Oh God, nobody wants to be there. It's just it's
Speaker 2: just like playing like Midski and he doesn't think you
Speaker 2: know ball j Baker.
Speaker 8: Okay, Greg, just.
Speaker 2: Like a geno highlight reel on Rep's wants to be there.
Speaker 3: Just why he's fighting so hard?
Speaker 8: This is weird, bro uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: Greg.
Speaker 7: Let's let's reframe it though, the argument like, okay, would
Speaker 7: you rather put either Dak or Jalen Hurts over this
Speaker 7: first four game stretch over Sam Donald? Because we're actually
Speaker 7: looking at now taking spots at this point, we're not
Speaker 7: just looking at which I know that's where Steve and
Speaker 7: I are coming from. And you know, we're not just
Speaker 7: looking at taking spots now, we're looking at open spots. Now,
Speaker 7: we're looking at who will this person potentially replace because
Speaker 7: we're almost full well.
Speaker 3: And who and taken off taking off two of.
Speaker 2: Love and we're going to go through the guys and
Speaker 2: maybe we'll do that of who else could possibly be vowed.
Speaker 2: I think Donald is a nuanced conversation. I think his
Speaker 2: history matters to me more. And is he sort of
Speaker 2: defining the quarterback position this year that that's where he
Speaker 2: wins me over a little bit, Whereas I think he's
Speaker 2: one of these stories of the year, one of the
Speaker 2: teams of the year. Do I trust that he's going
Speaker 2: to be on in four weeks? I don't necessarily. I
Speaker 2: don't think it's crazy to look at what he's done
Speaker 2: and think that he's playing really well and the situation
Speaker 2: has helped him out a lot, and on a throw
Speaker 2: to throw basis, it hasn't necessarily been like special. He's
Speaker 2: fumbled four times, that's second in the league. I think
Speaker 2: that's significant. He has three interceptions, Like if you project
Speaker 2: those over a course of a season, that's a lot
Speaker 2: of fumbles. That's a lot of interceptions. Which has been
Speaker 2: an issue for him over the years. He's great in
Speaker 2: all the efficiency stats, so he would be on the
Speaker 2: island easily with most of the efficiency stats. But I
Speaker 2: think I look at it a little more sometimes like
Speaker 2: PFF does, which is like a grade on a play
Speaker 2: to play basis, like how many pluses, how many minuses
Speaker 2: they have? They have him sixteenth at quarterback, so it's
Speaker 2: not me saying that or thirteenth in terms of passing,
Speaker 2: and that's probably where I would have him that. He's
Speaker 2: probably playing around ten to thirteen. The numbers and the
Speaker 2: story help, but the history hurts. And that's why to me,
Speaker 2: he's sort of on the borderline as I want to
Speaker 2: see how many guys get kicked off and guys get on.
Speaker 9: I get it, But you're talking about projections, so that
Speaker 9: means you're saying, okay, but justin Herbert, by the end
Speaker 9: of season time, he should he should be on, like
Speaker 9: like you're your look, if you're talking about projections, I
Speaker 9: mean you could throw two on back on there.
Speaker 2: I'm saying even so far, I would not have him
Speaker 2: in my top like eight quarterbacks or something.
Speaker 7: He'd be doesn't have to be in the top eight,
Speaker 7: right top twelve twelve.
Speaker 2: But then see, when you're getting into the nether world,
Speaker 2: I do consider like what good do I think these
Speaker 2: players actually are and how are they playing? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Right, so we do Sam Donald vote.
Speaker 4: Because you know where I am. I vote no, I
Speaker 4: vote yes, he's on the island.
Speaker 3: He wants to keep a spot open for Gino.
Speaker 2: So bad Donald is on the island.
Speaker 8: I definitively.
Speaker 7: They don't think that you can describe the first four
Speaker 7: games of quarterback play in the twenty twenty four NFL
Speaker 7: season without bringing up Sam Donald in the top three
Speaker 7: sentences you use to describe quarterback play in twenty twenty
Speaker 7: four specifically, which is what this topic is about.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I see.
Speaker 3: Even then she stood on businesses and shut you down.
Speaker 8: I'm standing on tiny table island.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I would say that that it's a team story and
Speaker 2: you can separate things that the offensive line of the running game.
Speaker 2: I went through it all. I said, he's somewhere in
Speaker 2: that mix. I was open minded. I assumed he would
Speaker 2: get on initially, but I wanted to see who gets
Speaker 2: kicked off. So Darnold is on the island. Maybe we
Speaker 2: should talk about the guys that are going off.
Speaker 5: Actually, this is why I was stressed out about this exercise.
Speaker 4: I need an organization.
Speaker 3: Who else? Who else?
Speaker 9: So there's there's there's still one more open spot, right,
Speaker 9: we've kicked off to so Sham takes one of those.
Speaker 3: So who do you think she'd get the next one? Exactly?
Speaker 8: Okay, He's like, oh yeah, yea, yeah, we're good, but no.
Speaker 2: I want to have like a long conversation.
Speaker 8: Oh it was really coo Island you go to do that?
Speaker 2: It was cool just watching him in that offense. What
Speaker 2: stood out to you in the Monday Night performance is
Speaker 2: sort of how he fits in that Ryan Grove.
Speaker 7: About Yea, besides the three hundred texts I sent you
Speaker 7: about this is I was like, I'm watching this game,
Speaker 7: I'm so happy, and this must be what you feel
Speaker 7: like all the time.
Speaker 8: What is that like? Yeah?
Speaker 7: I think he fits so well in this system because
Speaker 7: you can clearly see how much to do Ryan Grubb
Speaker 7: is giving him. He has so much autonomy and responsibility. Basically,
Speaker 7: I love a collaboration like this between an OC and
Speaker 7: a quarterback because the OC basically sets the table, lays
Speaker 7: out the steak knife and the tiny salad fork and
Speaker 7: two different cups and one plate and three bowls and says,
Speaker 7: all right, man, we got the spacing down.
Speaker 8: I've got the spacing.
Speaker 7: Now you do what you want with everything else, and
Speaker 7: you choose how you're going to run the motions you get.
Speaker 7: I mean, unfortunately, he's got to get the line set
Speaker 7: every day play, which is like not should not be happening,
Speaker 7: and the line has been atrocious. But somehow he is
Speaker 7: rising past all of that, and this dude is spinning
Speaker 7: that really.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean just pretty.
Speaker 9: I mean I'm looking around the NFL and I'm seeing
Speaker 9: quick gang, quickly, quick game, quick game. I am seen
Speaker 9: every throw of his going twenty yards somewhere on the
Speaker 9: field from the numbers to inside the hashes.
Speaker 3: He is drilling it. And you saw last night.
Speaker 9: I mean he is navigating to a bunch of garbage
Speaker 9: in the pocket and he is still making these stick throws.
Speaker 3: So he is playing at a Were.
Speaker 6: You rooting against them on Monday night?
Speaker 2: Because we clearly felt that Goff and Gino were showing
Speaker 2: out because they knew Quarterback Island was taping right after
Speaker 2: that this week and they wanted to impress. Were you
Speaker 2: rooting against their Ford? Gino? Because I know you're rooting
Speaker 2: for Darnold in a way because you don't really like
Speaker 2: me that and then you have to were you rooting
Speaker 2: against him?
Speaker 5: I'm always rooting for Gino Smith. I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I like to see him succeed. But I was rooting
Speaker 5: against him last night because I picked the Lions. But
Speaker 5: Kenneth Walker, I feel like he was almost like the
Speaker 5: guy that they.
Speaker 4: Could not stop him. He just kept coming back.
Speaker 3: They stopped through the first half.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and if they hadn't turned the ball like DK
Speaker 7: mccaf they hadn't turned it over early like that, who knows,
Speaker 7: I mean their script, they could have date on their
Speaker 7: A plus script, like who knows what could have happened
Speaker 7: near the end of that game. That was an electric game.
Speaker 7: Gino Smith had already solidified though, to me, even from
Speaker 7: the jump, which.
Speaker 6: Is why you got to look past QB rating.
Speaker 2: He has four touchdowns four interceptions this season, like that
Speaker 2: could be such a misleading stat if you've watched them
Speaker 2: every week. That Miami game, I thought he played awesome.
Speaker 2: So he's on. He's number one in the stat which
Speaker 2: is called on target rate. Just throws over ten yard
Speaker 2: ninety five percent of his throwth he draws target the
Speaker 2: league average is seventy five. Reminds me a lot of
Speaker 2: one of my favorites, Philip Rivers. I mean, he throws
Speaker 2: it prettier than Philip Rivers, but just how he navigates
Speaker 2: the pocket he stays called Paul just gets the intermedia.
Speaker 3: Philip filp was the man first three quarters. Don't get it.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we've we've put two guys on the island,
Speaker 2: you know and Sam Donold.
Speaker 6: What a season that they're on the island twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about maybe some guys that could also
Speaker 2: get kicked off and some guys we didn't talk about.
Speaker 2: There's only a few left over. Stafford is on the
Speaker 2: island for now. There's three players that are I guess
Speaker 2: in the maybe category that are on the island. But
Speaker 2: we should talk about Jared Goff was flirting with getting
Speaker 2: booted before last night. Last night's performance was Monday Night's
Speaker 2: performance enough to keep where Jared Goff is at?
Speaker 6: What do you think Kelly was he on Kurt Warner's list?
Speaker 4: You know what I believe he was. He was was
Speaker 4: on the list.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, he knows ball now now he finally it's
Speaker 2: it's certified.
Speaker 3: He's the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: He's in.
Speaker 8: He's joining Greg on Gin.
Speaker 2: That was a joke. It was a joke, okay, So
Speaker 2: but after you no, do you do? We all vote
Speaker 2: yes on Jared Goff staying on.
Speaker 7: Quest And I want to I want to back this
Speaker 7: up with the number two because I did the same
Speaker 7: extrapolation weeks one and two versus three and four, because
Speaker 7: I thought he started to play, you could start to
Speaker 7: see him play better. Weeks three and four. EPA per
Speaker 7: drop pack was actually at number three. So and and
Speaker 7: he didn't really even throw the ball that much. It
Speaker 7: was perfect, but he didn't throw the ball that much
Speaker 7: to dramatically skew up his average. Right now, his number
Speaker 7: is ep aper dropback is at number nine that system.
Speaker 7: So yeah, so you know it's it's I think that's
Speaker 7: significant that he jumped that high despite a small sample
Speaker 7: size in even though it was perfect, a small sample size,
Speaker 7: and he didn't have Frank Ragnow out there got a
Speaker 7: touchdown exactly.
Speaker 6: We're all short throws either. So you have it.
Speaker 2: You throw a perfect game on Monday night football, and
Speaker 2: you were already on the island like that. Those first
Speaker 2: three weeks would have had to have been total disaster.
Speaker 3: Against that, and they weren't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they weren't. They weren't that bad the first
Speaker 2: two weeks. Little panic under pressure sometimes, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we are five four and Julia Low the safety.
Speaker 2: Let's have the Jalen Hurts convo. Your dude, weird season.
Speaker 4: It just continues.
Speaker 5: If he never got any better from the end of
Speaker 5: last year. The only upside is Saquon Barkley. If they
Speaker 5: didn't sign him, I don't know where.
Speaker 4: They would be.
Speaker 5: But Jalen Hurts, they just can't move the ball. On Sunday,
Speaker 5: the Eagles had zero yards of offense until six minutes
Speaker 5: in the second quarter. Zero and then the turnovers they
Speaker 5: just keep happening. He has twenty seven turnovers over his
Speaker 5: past twenty starts, dating back.
Speaker 4: To last season. So you could say, all right, there's.
Speaker 5: That's almost a dart like yeah, right, you hide. You
Speaker 5: could say that there is some type of disconnect between
Speaker 5: there obviously is a disconnect between the players and the
Speaker 5: coaching staff, but maybe between Jalen Hurts and Kellen Moore.
Speaker 5: But a lot of these issues were happening before Kellen
Speaker 5: Moore got there, So I don't know what is going
Speaker 5: on and how they can fix it, but he's got
Speaker 5: to get off the island.
Speaker 3: Brown comes back the right.
Speaker 4: I mean they're missing two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's confusing, like they are. He is so emblematic
Speaker 2: of that team. Maybe you got your personality of your
Speaker 2: leaders and hurts and series are a little all over
Speaker 2: the place, because I swear if you just have watched
Speaker 2: every snap, he's done a lot of good things this year.
Speaker 2: He's made a lot of plays out of nothing. He's
Speaker 2: made a lot of clutch drives for lack of a
Speaker 2: better word. I know that game against Tampa was, you know,
Speaker 2: pretty rough that week. He was in general, but he
Speaker 2: wasn't like their problem, like their defense has been a
Speaker 2: total like trash camp for three out of four games.
Speaker 2: And he's done some good things, But then you have
Speaker 2: to grade the turnovers and like the big like the
Speaker 2: turnover where he plays. I think he has the second
Speaker 2: most in the league to Will Levis. And it's been
Speaker 2: a little all over the place where you don't know
Speaker 2: what to think. And he's he's not He's not in
Speaker 2: that borough or Mahomes tier where I'm going to forgive
Speaker 2: it completely.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Will Levis is on quarterback Saturn right now?
Speaker 9: Oh for will Oh yeah, yeah, I think Jalen's on
Speaker 9: the raft with Wilson.
Speaker 4: The Dinghy Kane picked them up.
Speaker 2: Bill Bardo had one of my favorite tweets of the year.
Speaker 2: He said, why does Will Levis always look like an
Speaker 2: actor who's playing quarterback?
Speaker 3: Movie?
Speaker 2: But it's not like a pretty good no. I mean
Speaker 2: it's not even I don't think an insult. But when
Speaker 2: he's on the side, like he.
Speaker 8: Just that axpressive, he feels his feeling.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like taking a huge shot. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: guess he was kind of playing like an actor too.
Speaker 2: I am going to vote no on Jalen Hurts. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna vote no on Jalen Hurts. He's gone. And the
Speaker 2: reason I'm doing that because I like to do a
Speaker 2: one to one thing here. You mentioned your guy from
Speaker 2: the Commanders before jade and Daniels.
Speaker 6: Do you want to officially nominated?
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, Jadeen Daniels, are you kidding me? Eighty
Speaker 5: two zero point one completion percentage, eight hundred and ninety
Speaker 5: seven passing yards, three touchdowns. Obviously that's not that much,
Speaker 5: but he's also running scores in as well, he's free
Speaker 5: of them. Fantastic, I mean, and all of his runs.
Speaker 5: I feel like so many of his runs go for
Speaker 5: first downs too. So he's making good decisions, he's making
Speaker 5: good reads.
Speaker 4: He's just doesn't look like a rookie quarterback at all.
Speaker 5: And I know Cliff King's is putting him in a
Speaker 5: great position, but it feels like Cliff Kingsbury is doing
Speaker 5: things a little different than he had done in Arizona
Speaker 5: one thousand percent with Kyler Murray, and this just works.
Speaker 5: This marriage is so perfect. I'm loving Jade and Daniels.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 7: You mentioned it the other day on the preview show,
Speaker 7: Greg about what they're doing with the offensive line and
Speaker 7: how structurally it just looks so much more sound than
Speaker 7: we thought it was going to look around Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 7: We were worried about the offensive line coming in, we
Speaker 7: were worried about the skilled players, we were worried about
Speaker 7: some of the structure of the run game.
Speaker 8: All of it is.
Speaker 7: It's not overshadowing him by any way. It is supporting
Speaker 7: him in the best and purest way possible, where they
Speaker 7: have layers to this offense and he can compete at
Speaker 7: every single one of these layers within this offense, and
Speaker 7: I think I think he's brilliant.
Speaker 8: He's a joy to watch.
Speaker 3: I think this we're having Anthony Lynn as the run
Speaker 3: game courted with it back.
Speaker 9: It really helps, right, So this helps some of the
Speaker 9: run protections because you know Cliff, he loves having screaming
Speaker 9: free runners coming out of his quarterback. Even on that
Speaker 9: beautiful touchdown pass to Scary Terry, that was a clean
Speaker 9: blitz off the corner. But he saw it coming and
Speaker 9: speaking to a you know, coach on that staff there,
Speaker 9: he will tell you he's like, look in practice, we
Speaker 9: tried to trick him in training camp. We ran double
Speaker 9: three techniques, right, so they played their defensive tackles wide.
Speaker 9: He said he saw it, saw two INSI linebackers. He
Speaker 9: moved a running back out to make the linebacker follow
Speaker 9: the running back. So now the middle of the field
Speaker 9: is wide open and he calls a quarterback draw. He's
Speaker 9: like the fact that a rookie quarterback saw this two
Speaker 9: or three weeks into training camp recognized everything. So that's
Speaker 9: all the football he's played collegiately, he's been coached well.
Speaker 9: Dan Quinn told me he's got that twenty four hour keyfob.
Speaker 9: He can get to the building whatever he wants to
Speaker 9: study and do all that stuff that he wants to do.
Speaker 9: So I don't think that the people in that building
Speaker 9: this is really coming as a surprise.
Speaker 3: But to me, I'm ready to give him a gold
Speaker 3: jacket because he has the commanders.
Speaker 9: He has commanders at three my first place even for
Speaker 9: a minute with that organization.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: He is the man of the moment. It's why I
Speaker 2: think we're gonna be unanimous. We're all voting yes, Jayde
Speaker 2: and Daniels, welcome to the island. First ever rookie on
Speaker 2: Quarterback Island. You got to bring an honor, You got.
Speaker 6: To bring the beers. I guess I don't know what
Speaker 6: they do.
Speaker 3: They're bringing him to him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he gets he gets served. I thought it was
Speaker 5: really interesting. I read Terry McLaurin was talking about how
Speaker 5: Jade and Daniels is this like calming confident force in
Speaker 5: the building, and I guess they had missed each other
Speaker 5: on a connection week one, and that Jade Daniels kept
Speaker 5: coming over to Terry McLaurin throughout the week and he's like,
Speaker 5: just be patient, I'm coming to you. I'm coming back
Speaker 5: to you, and was like almost like talking him down,
Speaker 5: like everything's gonna be fine, don't worry.
Speaker 4: And it's like that doesn't feel like a rookie quarterback move.
Speaker 5: He just seems like he's a wise sage quarterback in
Speaker 5: a rookie's body.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 7: Once his teammates started understanding like how he operates, it's
Speaker 7: been really fun reading some of the reports out of
Speaker 7: there because he just would like experiment with things and
Speaker 7: try things. And I mentioned it a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 7: it was like, what does this lover do? Oh that's fun?
Speaker 7: I got hit, But hey, we're all having like I
Speaker 7: feel joy, you know, all these things, and it just
Speaker 7: he's just like this brightness. And once they realized kind
Speaker 7: of that's, oh, he's not actually making mistakes because he's
Speaker 7: making mistakes innocently, Like he's making mistakes on purpose to
Speaker 7: try to figure out what works and what doesn't. And
Speaker 7: he's doing it with this personality and this joy. And
Speaker 7: then you're seeing that was all summer and you're seeing
Speaker 7: what translates out of that. His team is with him
Speaker 7: one hundred percent, and they're they're for him, and they
Speaker 7: can collaborate and do those things on the sideline like that,
Speaker 7: because they had that experience already and they really.
Speaker 2: Look a shock though, like no one saw this coming
Speaker 2: that the earth. They are one of the best offenses
Speaker 2: in NFL history through one month. Like for the first
Speaker 2: month to play, they are one of the best offenses
Speaker 2: we've ever seen. Now, I do think it's fair to
Speaker 2: point out he was unanimous. The only reason I was
Speaker 2: even pushing on Donald before is like, I just wanted
Speaker 2: to make sure that we get guys like Tandan Daniels
Speaker 2: on which we're definitely ahead on my list, and that
Speaker 2: once we got through it and hurts.
Speaker 6: This makes sense.
Speaker 2: But I do think it's important to point out they've
Speaker 2: had an incredibly easy schedule in terms of the defenses
Speaker 2: that they face, and so the numbers will go I
Speaker 2: think from stratospheric to Okay, let's see against some better defenses.
Speaker 6: I'm excited to see that.
Speaker 3: But here here's why I don't think I'm sorry.
Speaker 9: There's gonna be just the significant crash because he's not
Speaker 9: one of these fokay quarterbacks. He's got to always play
Speaker 9: in the shotgun, right, He's not one of these guys
Speaker 9: they line him up under center in the pistol, in
Speaker 9: the gun offset. So he's got a pretty good breadth
Speaker 9: of how to play the position from a lot of
Speaker 9: different ways, which is gonna make it tough to develop
Speaker 9: whatever you want to call it, the film on him,
Speaker 9: so to speak, because I think he's just got a
Speaker 9: lot of operational tools.
Speaker 2: Okay, we haven't talked about Dak Prescott at all. I
Speaker 2: think if we're gonna talk about Dak, if you want
Speaker 2: to kick him off the island, you got to propose
Speaker 2: someone to put on Justin fields to me, we you know,
Speaker 2: it's not quite quarterback island material, but he's playing outstanding,
Speaker 2: So just giving him a little love. Does anyone have
Speaker 2: someone they want on the island over Dak? Any Dak
Speaker 2: thoughts here?
Speaker 3: Oh that's a tough one.
Speaker 9: I mean, I'm really strong on Baker, but Dak would
Speaker 9: be real tough. He is not the Cowboys problem. No,
Speaker 9: I wouldn't put Baker on for Dak.
Speaker 2: There Aaron Rodgers, I think going into week four this
Speaker 2: might have been a different conversation because I think he's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: But even then, like it really is stuck in our head.
Speaker 2: When I went back and watched that game, I actually
Speaker 2: did not think Aaron Rodgers played nearly as bad as
Speaker 2: I would have expected. I think he was a veteran
Speaker 2: quarterback like Stafford, in a very difficult situation. If you
Speaker 2: had to, if I had to say, like who's played
Speaker 2: better this year Stafford, for instance, or Rogers, I would
Speaker 2: go Stafford. But it's actually pretty close. I think Rogers
Speaker 2: is playing good football, and so Rogers playing good football
Speaker 2: not being on Quarterback Island, Like, that's a tough decision.
Speaker 6: He's very on the borderline for me.
Speaker 3: Okay, I've got one for you.
Speaker 9: Then, since we're trying to play who's are either those
Speaker 9: guys playing as well as Kyler Murray?
Speaker 3: They're one in three. But Kyler.
Speaker 7: I have a hard time with Kyler because I got
Speaker 7: to watch in person probably one of the best games
Speaker 7: he's ever played, and it was absolutely out I mean,
Speaker 7: he looked I was like, make him president of Quarterback
Speaker 7: Island at this point.
Speaker 8: It was outstanding.
Speaker 7: But I just I have a hard time he's you know,
Speaker 7: I think the defense is obviously dragging him down. I'm,
Speaker 7: like I said, I'm not punishing players for not being
Speaker 7: able to overcome certain like catastrophics surrounding that defense. Looks bad,
Speaker 7: to put it politely, but I was ready to like,
Speaker 7: as you guys know, I was ready to like crown
Speaker 7: this Arizona offense as like the future, right, and it's
Speaker 7: just not coming together in a cohesive way and.
Speaker 2: Been the run game more than yeah pass. I expected
Speaker 2: him to be more a part of that time you run.
Speaker 7: Well, but I was going to be more involved on
Speaker 7: a weekly basis, not just in that you know, that
Speaker 7: game against the Rams. I thought he's going to be
Speaker 7: more involved on a weekly basis in the run plan.
Speaker 6: He's not.
Speaker 8: I think he's holding the ball a little bit.
Speaker 7: Sometimes it's just it's a it's a strang the receiver
Speaker 7: trust doesn't quite seem to be I think, for for
Speaker 7: valid reasons, some streaky a little bit of streaky play
Speaker 7: is including from the top guy on that team. So
Speaker 7: I just think that it's I didn't know what to
Speaker 7: do with him. I didn't know what to do with him,
Speaker 7: but I wasn't willing to swap him out over some
Speaker 7: players who I think have played consistently unbelievable ball.
Speaker 5: He's sort of just on the on the ferry. That
Speaker 5: might be he's in transit for the island, but he's.
Speaker 2: Hanging out with Rogers, where yeah, he's just like right there.
Speaker 2: That would be a thing you're talking about.
Speaker 6: That would be a weird duo. They're both a laugh.
Speaker 3: Kyler's like, hey man, did you see what I was
Speaker 3: shot in that game? There?
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little video games. I don't think Rogers is
Speaker 2: a gamer. The numbers are better than maybe the last
Speaker 2: two games I test would say, like Murray ninth and
Speaker 2: EPA per dropback sixth and completion percentage over expected. I
Speaker 2: think he'd looked good through two weeks. He certainly would
Speaker 2: have had a strong case. He held the ball quite
Speaker 2: a bit the last couple of weeks. Don't think he's
Speaker 2: played awful, But that game against a pretty bad Commander's
Speaker 2: defense that sunk his chances. So wow, maybe Dak's safe.
Speaker 2: We were not putting car on we no one nominated Rogers. Wow.
Speaker 2: Rodgers would add different vibes to the I.
Speaker 7: Think he's had one vintage Aaron Rodgers game so far
Speaker 7: and hasn't quite looked fully himself in the other.
Speaker 3: I would agree with that.
Speaker 9: And yet he's yeah, based on the other guys ahead
Speaker 9: of him, Okay, that's.
Speaker 2: Fair because he's like above the Dalton line as we're
Speaker 2: mixing different podcasts, different ways of valuing quarterbacks, Like I
Speaker 2: think throughout he's been a big time asset to their team.
Speaker 2: The second half of the Titans game, he was fantastic.
Speaker 2: Wasn't like the complete game. Uh, And so it's it's
Speaker 2: actually kind of hard for me to leave him off
Speaker 2: because I feel like he could get better over the
Speaker 2: course of the season.
Speaker 3: But you were quick to leave him off the first
Speaker 3: time because I was memory.
Speaker 2: You can change your opinions based on new information. I
Speaker 2: appreciate good football. I think he's playing pretty good, but
Speaker 2: I wouldn't put him on either over Dak. I would
Speaker 2: probably put him on over Darnold. But you know that's
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 6: That's what I mean.
Speaker 8: Four games of the season.
Speaker 2: It's no, it's close. I mean it's a total. That's
Speaker 2: a total about justin Herbert never came up. He's healthy.
Speaker 2: Now he's playing. I mean, he's sort of help.
Speaker 9: He's so tough and he's so competitive, and this is
Speaker 9: one where I think you really have to factor and circumstances.
Speaker 9: Besides the injury, he has got nobody to go downfield.
Speaker 9: I feel bad for him because he is such a gamer.
Speaker 9: I mean I love watching him play, and right now
Speaker 9: he just has nothing there.
Speaker 3: They're not in.
Speaker 9: Terms of the past game, they're easy to defend, just
Speaker 9: in terms of teams know they don't have anyone who's
Speaker 9: gonna go downfield on them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's thrown for fewer than two hundred yards in
Speaker 5: all four games. He never had back to back games
Speaker 5: like that in his career. And this is not like
Speaker 5: he just he doesn't look like the same quarterback because
Speaker 5: of the system that he's in and because of like
Speaker 5: the skill position players around him.
Speaker 2: He looks so much better than the numbers, and the
Speaker 2: numbers I touched out an interception looks good five to one.
Speaker 2: But you look at QBR every week. I go to
Speaker 2: you know, hate watch QBR and see if Watson's on
Speaker 2: the bottom. Yep, dead last in the NFL. And uh,
Speaker 2: but then I always notice Herbert. It's like barely above him,
Speaker 2: like five spots.
Speaker 3: There's something called watch.
Speaker 8: I like hearing about your hobbies.
Speaker 2: I'm totally joking. I just am saying that because I
Speaker 2: happen to notice that it's Watson here at the bottom.
Speaker 4: But also you hate watching.
Speaker 6: Uh, sometimes you'll watch like a movie that's so bad.
Speaker 6: It's good. It's not really hate now your.
Speaker 2: I mean our listener of NFL Daily, you guys hate
Speaker 2: watch teams. I mean it's yeah, it's kind of like
Speaker 2: uh Bo Bonnie Jones, who has a great podcast. He said,
Speaker 2: like he gave up like rooting for some of his
Speaker 2: college football team, but he still roots against all the
Speaker 2: old ones. Like it's fun to hate on certain teams.
Speaker 2: It's fun to root root against teams.
Speaker 3: I colleagues are Philly. She's got a long lead.
Speaker 5: Yes, I know, starting naming every team in the league
Speaker 5: against them.
Speaker 8: Nobody likes us.
Speaker 7: I thought things were going downhill with with Justin Herbert.
Speaker 7: It's like week two, week three, and the local columnists
Speaker 7: there at the Athletic Daniel Popper is already having to
Speaker 7: write stories that say, who will protect Justin Herbert from himself?
Speaker 7: I mean that's yeah, that's a sign of a bad,
Speaker 7: bad way right now.
Speaker 2: So I think we've done it. I think we've decided
Speaker 2: who has made not funny? The ones that we've just quarterbacks? Well,
Speaker 2: who else did we need to mention?
Speaker 7: We don't need to mention anyone. I'm just saying it's funny. Yeah,
Speaker 7: just Lea the people I know you, Greg, the subcotually
Speaker 7: the people you just completely.
Speaker 6: Left well that they weren't in contention.
Speaker 2: Like we talked to Carr, who was close enough, but
Speaker 2: not close at all. I think we hit every name
Speaker 2: at least quickly that had a chance. There were no
Speaker 2: other nominations, and yeah, let's let's go through it again.
Speaker 2: The members of Quarterback Island. After four weeks in the
Speaker 2: NFL season, Dak is still on Back's wasn't sure. I
Speaker 2: thought someone was going to make a case against Dak.
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure. No, Jared Goff is on, Matthew Stafford
Speaker 2: is on, Rock Purty is on, Josh Allen is on,
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, c J Stroud, Patrick Mahomes. We've
Speaker 2: added three new members to Quarterback Island. Gino Smith, Jaden
Speaker 2: Daniels and Sam Darnold are on Quarterback Island. We never
Speaker 2: got back to your guy Baker, but I want him
Speaker 2: on Baker another time.
Speaker 6: You have a chance.
Speaker 2: It's a game of skill Quarterback Island. If you play
Speaker 2: well enough, we recognize you. Let's take a quick break.
Speaker 2: We got to do some news wasn't expected to, but
Speaker 2: we got a doozy when we got it to the
Speaker 2: studio back in a second, back on NFL Daily. Didn't
Speaker 2: think we were doing news today and.
Speaker 6: We got a wopper.
Speaker 2: Davante Adams has informed the team that he prefers to
Speaker 2: be traded. According to our insiders Ian Rappaport and Mike
Speaker 2: Gara Folo, the news comes on the same day that
Speaker 2: Antonio Pierce was noted to like a social media postings
Speaker 2: account could be traded.
Speaker 8: I probably what I'll say.
Speaker 2: It is crazy to have a coach liking comments like that.
Speaker 2: Part of the story. It doesn't matter now because it's
Speaker 2: it's just out there. This thing is moving quickly. Yes,
Speaker 2: it would seem if all the insiders are reporting that
Speaker 2: he wants to be traded espn Adam schefter already throwing
Speaker 2: out some possible terms a conditional second and maybe.
Speaker 6: Relating quickly something else.
Speaker 2: Consider it right, which I think we've been around long
Speaker 2: enough that if that's being thrown out there, what they're
Speaker 2: they're trying to negotiate through the media, They already have
Speaker 2: something maybe not quite as good in their pocket and
Speaker 2: seeing if they can do better.
Speaker 6: Steve, what do you think, Well.
Speaker 9: Unless somebody with the Jets is saying we'll give them
Speaker 9: a conditional second because you know that's going to be
Speaker 9: the speculation out for him to get back with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 9: And frankly, if you're the Jets right now, with your
Speaker 9: season the way it is, you do it. Oh yeah,
Speaker 9: this is a this is a ditch season for the Jets.
Speaker 9: So you go out there and you do it. That's
Speaker 9: a less a team. I'm gonna give a couple of
Speaker 9: teams that I think should probably make a move like this.
Speaker 9: I think the Atlanta Falcons should go ahead and make
Speaker 9: a move like this. They need that type of receiver
Speaker 9: and that type of veteran on this roster to go
Speaker 9: ahead and add something to this. I think they want
Speaker 9: to get him out of the AFC if possible.
Speaker 3: But I mean, this is a situation where I think the.
Speaker 9: Falcons and the Jets should go ahead and say let's
Speaker 9: play ball, because you know, no one needs it more
Speaker 9: than a Chief. But they're not going to trade him
Speaker 9: to Kansas City.
Speaker 2: The second round pick is not a crazy I mean
Speaker 2: Mohammed san who got traded for a second round pick
Speaker 2: in a similar situation to the Patriots. DeVante Adams looked
Speaker 2: great in Week two plays Week three finishes, the game
Speaker 2: doesn't play week four, and then this all pops out.
Speaker 2: He was on Ky Adams' show on FanDuel and said,
Speaker 2: you know that he didn't know about the Antoni period.
Speaker 2: It just seems like this is all systems are firing.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't seem like it's just from Adams. It
Speaker 2: seems like it's maybe from both.
Speaker 9: Don't forget now the like came sometime between business decisions
Speaker 9: and him not playing as well. Right, Remember you cannot
Speaker 9: forget that. I'm not saying that Antonio Pierce is including
Speaker 9: him in the business decisions.
Speaker 3: But things are kind of.
Speaker 4: Nuclear the connecting of the dots here.
Speaker 8: We need a detective Weisch segment we.
Speaker 5: Do, which put us out there fluting around.
Speaker 3: So fired.
Speaker 5: This is something though, that was talked about in the summer,
Speaker 5: like this is not anything new. That teams were approaching
Speaker 5: the Raiders and trying to propose trades for Dvante Adams,
Speaker 5: and the Raiders supposedly turn them away, And so now
Speaker 5: they're in this situation where Davante Adams is clearly unhappy
Speaker 5: and they need to figure it out.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and every every team calls on every big player
Speaker 7: like this. I mean it's but this is this was
Speaker 7: serious to your point, calling to the point where one
Speaker 7: of those teams was like leaking that that they were
Speaker 7: doing in order to sort of stoke the fire. Oh,
Speaker 7: is there something going on there, something that you have
Speaker 7: to address before the first day of the season begins
Speaker 7: in a press conference? Are there different things like just
Speaker 7: continuing to rekindle, rekindle, rekindle, rekindled. It would not surprise
Speaker 7: me if this has been going on, and this conversation
Speaker 7: has been happening with the front office and the coaching
Speaker 7: staff for several weeks now, and getting out in front
Speaker 7: of it would be to say, oh, I'd prefer to
Speaker 7: be traded.
Speaker 4: Maybe even longer too, if we know.
Speaker 2: How getting out in front of it from a coach
Speaker 2: might be saying the guy's making businesses well, you know.
Speaker 9: And also I don't think Gardner Minsh's coming to Quarterback Island.
Speaker 8: No, oh, we didn't even mention him.
Speaker 3: Let me ask Let me ask you this. Jordan just
Speaker 3: just got of curiosity.
Speaker 9: Are the Rams confident enough in Cooper Cup and Pooka
Speaker 9: Nakua's health not to get involved in making.
Speaker 3: A move like this.
Speaker 7: I don't put anything past the Rams in terms of
Speaker 7: making splash moves, especially maximizing what could be a final
Speaker 7: year before Stafford comes back to the negotiation table. I
Speaker 7: also didn't put it past them blowing everything up if
Speaker 7: it went continued to go south. However, like this is
Speaker 7: one of those things where you can't actually seriously say
Speaker 7: as a team that you are depending on the health
Speaker 7: of a receiver that hasn't made it through a full
Speaker 7: season in the last three years, as well as a
Speaker 7: receiver who's a bright and blossoming star but whose situation
Speaker 7: is going to be more significant time than initially thought
Speaker 7: in training and puk and Akua, and so I would
Speaker 7: not put it past them to make the call. Now
Speaker 7: they're going to be on that hinge though, of either
Speaker 7: you go all in in that direction, which they did
Speaker 7: in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 8: They tried for Christian.
Speaker 7: McCaffrey in the last dish effort to save their season
Speaker 7: and then je and they didn't. But I'm specifically talking
Speaker 7: about like a horrible start in twenty twenty two, and
Speaker 7: they tried to go all in for Christian McCaffrey, trying
Speaker 7: to compete with Kyle Shanahan to get the job done,
Speaker 7: and then all of a sudden, their season completely imploded
Speaker 7: and they could not.
Speaker 6: Right they were in the mix for Brian Burns. That
Speaker 6: didn't happen.
Speaker 2: Let's go first, I now think Divini the Adams is
Speaker 2: never playing another snap again. For the rate this coming
Speaker 2: out the way it has, this thing could move quickly
Speaker 2: and unlike some of these trade situations where it takes forever,
Speaker 2: like this is DeVante Adams is a future Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2: The season is already started. People will want to get
Speaker 2: him into his building. The contract is an interesting part
Speaker 2: of it. He's not making much money this year, so
Speaker 2: actually contractually it's kind of a bargain. It saves the
Speaker 2: Raiders some money. It's not painful for them either. Next
Speaker 2: year he's due thirty five point six million, then a
Speaker 2: year after that thirty six point six So that's probably
Speaker 2: going to require some sort of renegotiation.
Speaker 6: Maybe not.
Speaker 2: I'm curious, like how much control he has in this process.
Speaker 2: We saw how much control Brandon aukad in that process.
Speaker 2: It is important, but this might just be a rental.
Speaker 2: And I'm looking at like teams with Capsleece first of
Speaker 2: all with the forty nine ers.
Speaker 6: Ever think about it.
Speaker 2: Like sending deebo away and Raiders get someone bring him home.
Speaker 6: That's something.
Speaker 2: Browns have a wide receiver who's playing terribly. They have
Speaker 2: a ton of cap space. They're always in on these years.
Speaker 2: He's not right, he's not gonna want to go there.
Speaker 2: But if if he doesn't have much decision making, I
Speaker 2: could see the Browns in on it. The Patriots and
Speaker 2: the Steelers who were in on Ayuk, you would think
Speaker 2: would be teams that would be in on DeVante Adams.
Speaker 6: That's logical, Like the Lions.
Speaker 2: That's not a crazy and I'm going through the top
Speaker 2: to bottom of cap space team. The Lions have a
Speaker 2: ton of cap space and they could certainly use another
Speaker 2: wide receiver.
Speaker 6: So that's what I'm saying is like, I.
Speaker 2: Think this is gonna I think this is going to
Speaker 2: go somewhat quickly, and I think I think they'll do
Speaker 2: better than a conditional second. Am I crazy? I don't
Speaker 2: know crazy, like.
Speaker 3: A solid second. I mean, no one's giving up one.
Speaker 8: What I'm saying.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, Oh no, we would never give up
Speaker 2: a first round draft pick that we miss on fifty
Speaker 2: percent of the time for a future Hall of Famer
Speaker 2: who we know is going to help our team this year.
Speaker 3: Oh no, God, Troy Detroit is not giving up a
Speaker 3: first shir No.
Speaker 2: I get it. Some teams when I'm just the like
Speaker 2: the mind hive like, but we'll give up an extra
Speaker 2: first to trade up to go draft Marcus Davenport or
Speaker 2: LaVey or whatever.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 2: People give up extra first all the time. When you
Speaker 2: get like, yeah, the Saints could be in the mix.
Speaker 2: They could certainly near to wide receiver like go for
Speaker 2: so many teams, this is fun.
Speaker 3: Oh Derek and DeVante?
Speaker 8: Uh huh.
Speaker 4: Exactly.
Speaker 7: All I'm saying is when it comes out good clearly
Speaker 7: through a player's camp that he would prefer to be traded,
Speaker 7: that automatically tells teams on the outside, come get me
Speaker 7: for cheaper than you would have had to before.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: What I was gonna say before is that he's been
Speaker 5: unhappy for a while in Vegas, and he was very
Speaker 5: unhappy when Derek Carr left, so that makes total sense
Speaker 5: for him to end up maybe reuniting with him in
Speaker 5: New Orleans.
Speaker 2: Now, the Saints, they can pull off some salary cap
Speaker 2: voodoo like no other team, but they only have two
Speaker 2: point seven million dollars of space right now.
Speaker 3: They are going to be in cap hell for turn.
Speaker 2: He always figured out, So is it really hell.
Speaker 3: For the year.
Speaker 7: By the way, Steve, it just clicked for me to
Speaker 7: rams question for me, you know who the backup in
Speaker 7: Los Angeles is.
Speaker 8: Awkward.
Speaker 7: He's avoid eye contact walking down the hallway.
Speaker 6: This is great. Thank you to DeVante Adams.
Speaker 2: I've wanted the NFL to become more like the NBA
Speaker 2: with trades, and uh, this is what we need, a
Speaker 2: nice in season trade. And you know, even the Raiders
Speaker 2: are into it. Finny Bontignor, who covers the team locally,
Speaker 2: UH for their big paper there in Las Vegas, the
Speaker 2: Review Journal said that the Raiders are also open to it,
Speaker 2: and UH a source with knowledge of the situation, he
Speaker 2: doesn't say the Raiders. The source of the club has
Speaker 2: been reaching out to teams, so that words that wording
Speaker 2: reaching out to teams that the Raiders are reaching out.
Speaker 6: They're in on it too. Let's go this.
Speaker 2: Is the dude opting out out of out of well.
Speaker 2: And also he can be part of the Super Bowl
Speaker 2: race for some team. That's like a fun value.
Speaker 3: Add lots of trade on to the Panthers.
Speaker 2: All right, let's let's talk let's talk about one of
Speaker 2: the teams. You said he would make some sense for
Speaker 2: the Atlanta Falcons. It is time for our TNF preview
Speaker 2: presented by Prime Video Fun Game. Bucks and Falcons both
Speaker 2: coming off big wins. I think the Falcons have done
Speaker 2: a really nice job managing the season. I talk about
Speaker 2: this a lot. You're not going to be your full
Speaker 2: team right away. Sometimes you got some issues. They've got issues.
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins can't move, they don't really have a great
Speaker 2: pass rush. But here they are at two and two
Speaker 2: against two wins teams, wins against pretty good teams. They
Speaker 2: have a really hard schedule initially, if you look at
Speaker 2: the back half, it's one of the easiest schedules in
Speaker 2: the league. Here's a home game in the division, a
Speaker 2: big game for both of these teams.
Speaker 6: Atlanta can kind of be buried by Tampa here.
Speaker 2: If you're down two games in the division and you
Speaker 2: had lost at home, that's a pretty decent lead for
Speaker 2: Tampa in the a NFC South Calleing, Yeah.
Speaker 5: I would expect the Bucks to obviously press sure Kirk
Speaker 5: Cousins here a ton in this game, the same way
Speaker 5: that they did to Jalen Hurts. And the Eagles. They
Speaker 5: sacked Hurts five times in that game. They generated their
Speaker 5: highest pressure rate two in a game in almost three years,
Speaker 5: So this was like an unbelievable amount of heat that
Speaker 5: they were throwing at him. Obviously, we know Kirk Cousins
Speaker 5: operates much better when he's not under pressure, as most
Speaker 5: quarterbacks do.
Speaker 4: But I love the fact that Falcons.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but Falcons head coach Raheem Morris worked right alongside
Speaker 5: with Bucks offensive coordinator Liam Cohen with the Rams, and
Speaker 5: they went against each other in practice, so they know
Speaker 5: each other, they know each other's tendencies, and I'm really
Speaker 5: excited to see that kind of chess match come out.
Speaker 8: The last year. Yeah, Yeah, you know, it.
Speaker 7: Is going to be interesting because like kind of what
Speaker 7: we talked about when we were talking about quarterback Island
Speaker 7: is this is a real opportunity for Baker Mayfield to
Speaker 7: will some things to happen against a defense that's finding itself.
Speaker 7: But the secondary has been really solid for the Falcons. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and I think that especially catching some people by surprise
Speaker 7: a little bit. So I do think that this is
Speaker 7: a good matchup in terms of that multi layered, multi
Speaker 7: dimensional Liam Cullen eleven personnel and Chris Godwin is Cooper
Speaker 7: Cup now and like all of these things offense and
Speaker 7: really seeing how particularly some of the really savvy leaders
Speaker 7: and emerging stars in that Falcon secondary handle it right.
Speaker 2: They They've got three big time veteran star players in
Speaker 2: the same secondary, Jesse Bates, aj Terrell when he's playing right,
Speaker 2: and Justin Simmons is playing well, and they've gotten good
Speaker 2: production out of the other guys. So you're right, that's
Speaker 2: the strength and it's a tough matchup against a really
Speaker 2: good receiver group. I think Evans is getting better each week.
Speaker 2: I think there was maybe some injury stuff they weren't
Speaker 2: talking about. Chris Godwin is now their number one receiver
Speaker 2: by production. He looks like Chris Godwin from five years ago.
Speaker 2: He's having a great contract year right now. He has
Speaker 2: about one hundred yards more than Evans. He's making those
Speaker 2: plays after the catch. They're moving him inside and out
Speaker 2: of the slot, but a lot in the slot where
Speaker 2: I think he's at his best.
Speaker 6: And they were just picking the Eagles apart.
Speaker 2: They finally got their running game going last week after
Speaker 2: a pretty rough first three weeks of the season, a
Speaker 2: little better and It was a really good game plan
Speaker 2: by Liam Cohen. Just like, get the ball out to
Speaker 2: these guys. They can make plays after the catch and
Speaker 2: Evans in the red zone and it's a lot to
Speaker 2: deal with it. I think the Bucks have been a
Speaker 2: little steadier as a team overall than the fact.
Speaker 3: Well someone turned apart the Eagles secondary. That doesn't happen.
Speaker 4: It's been years of this look.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 9: Speaking of the Falcons defense, Jesse Bates might be the
Speaker 9: defensive player of the year right now, at least in
Speaker 9: the contention the way.
Speaker 4: That I love that that he's played.
Speaker 9: Justin Simmons finally seems to be getting comfortable. I mean
Speaker 9: they really looked good as a tandem last week. We
Speaker 9: know aj Terrell he started out shaky. He's looking really
Speaker 9: good as well on the second thear I like that matchup.
Speaker 9: I just want to see if Atlanta's offense can deal
Speaker 9: with this defense, because yeah, the Bucks are bringing smoke.
Speaker 9: Kyle Pitts didn't have a catch last week. He could
Speaker 9: be someone who could be a blitz breaker, right if
Speaker 9: you get the ball to him that way. You know,
Speaker 9: Cousins and Drake London have got something working. Jonjon Bjon
Speaker 9: you know, he's something they've got going. I think this
Speaker 9: is gonna be a tough dust up, so to speak.
Speaker 9: I mean, I think it's gonna be a really really
Speaker 9: good game.
Speaker 7: A little bit shorthanded. Todd Bowles just has that juice
Speaker 7: still is. You know, he'll find He'll let go and
Speaker 7: find someone in the stands and literally pick them up
Speaker 7: and throw them at the quarterback as an extra rusher,
Speaker 7: like he is sending this heat, these extra pressures. Kirk
Speaker 7: Cousins has struggled against that so far this season, just
Speaker 7: forty eight point five percent of his past his third
Speaker 7: lowest in the NFL against the Blitz.
Speaker 8: This is a concern.
Speaker 2: Look, the Falcons running game has not been very good
Speaker 2: this year, and that's because.
Speaker 9: Teams are loading up to stop it, like they're gonna
Speaker 9: make Kirk Cousins beat him.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean it got better last week Tyler Alzier.
Speaker 2: It was the dude man an interesting moment. I was
Speaker 2: just like watching this, I'm like, oh, Algier gives him
Speaker 2: some juice. Like suddenly it started working in a different
Speaker 2: way with Algier and they ran with it. And Bijon
Speaker 2: is obviously incredible and is better on passing down certainly,
Speaker 2: but it's a tough combination. And you think, like Todd Bowles,
Speaker 2: he's always going to have a great run defense, like
Speaker 2: that's the one thing you know about him. A lot
Speaker 2: of the best run defenses in history were coached by
Speaker 2: Todd Bowles, including with the Jets. This one's thinks everyone's
Speaker 2: running on them every week, so it's that'll help a
Speaker 2: ton And he helped him on the goal line last week.
Speaker 2: Although even even in that game, like you know, Saquon
Speaker 2: just didn't have many touches. Not that that wasn't frustrating
Speaker 2: at all. All right, let's pick this game, tough one.
Speaker 2: I am so excited. I want everyone listening this deep
Speaker 2: into the show Quarterback on to join me and Gerald
Speaker 2: McCoy live on YouTube after this game.
Speaker 6: I'm very excited.
Speaker 2: I don't really know. I don't really know Jerald that well,
Speaker 2: but I came and I introduced myself to him. He
Speaker 2: had been very nice. Uh he had been part of
Speaker 2: broadcast boot camp, so met a little bit. But I'm
Speaker 2: really excited that he's going to be better.
Speaker 4: Wear your best jacket.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I'll be at the pddresser.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's a good man.
Speaker 8: Don't wear this more like a cool whoam just kidding? No,
Speaker 8: I just kidding. It looks great.
Speaker 6: This is a new purchase.
Speaker 8: I'll never wear. I went too far.
Speaker 2: I thought, like, we're not We decided we're not going
Speaker 2: island theme.
Speaker 3: We don't.
Speaker 6: They didn't have any island stuff.
Speaker 4: I had a big purge this year and a shirt.
Speaker 2: I'll be at home, and so will Jerald, and so
Speaker 2: I'll probably wear something cool. But like at home, I'll
Speaker 2: wear my best hoodie.
Speaker 3: I never wear Batman.
Speaker 2: Okay, but everyone should join us. We'll be live on
Speaker 2: YouTube about ten minutes after the game. Colleen, why don't
Speaker 2: you pick it? Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 5: I'm taking the Bucks in this one, and they have
Speaker 5: to win this one. I mean, this is arguably their
Speaker 5: most difficult stretch right now in their schedule. They have
Speaker 5: three divisional games in four weeks, and then they also
Speaker 5: have the Ravens, the Chiefs, and the Niners coming up.
Speaker 4: So this is a game that I think the Bucks
Speaker 4: will win.
Speaker 5: They've been on fire, and the Falcons offense just can't
Speaker 5: come together yet, Like they have so much potential and
Speaker 5: they just haven't been able to unlock it.
Speaker 4: And I just don't think it's going to happen this game.
Speaker 7: I agree with all your points. I am taking the
Speaker 7: Falcons though, just because I this this secondary, you know,
Speaker 7: for the I think that they're just gonna mess with
Speaker 7: this past game, and I think that's that's going to
Speaker 7: be one of the deciding factors in this game.
Speaker 8: So I'm taking the Falcons.
Speaker 2: Short week road team on Thursday and football, not like
Speaker 2: it's a long trip or anything, just the way the
Speaker 2: seat Like, I just feel like these two teams feel
Speaker 2: like three and two teams to me. Sometimes I don't
Speaker 2: make it any smarter than that. And so that would
Speaker 2: mean that the Falcons get a win at home. I
Speaker 2: think teams that win games like I feel like they're
Speaker 2: lucky to be two and two win games they maybe
Speaker 2: shouldn't have. They usually start playing better and then they
Speaker 2: win games like because they actually earn it. So they're
Speaker 2: one and a half point favorites at home. If it
Speaker 2: was in Tampa, I'd probably go Bucks, but I'll go Falcons.
Speaker 5: Ba Baker's never going to make the Island at this rate,
Speaker 5: but he's got four weeks.
Speaker 2: Four weeks, But I don't feel strong about this. I'm
Speaker 2: my heart. I'm rooting for the Bucks because I want
Speaker 2: a happy Gerald McCoy after the game.
Speaker 3: Kurko chains though he might be making I like the
Speaker 3: Falcons here. How about this.
Speaker 9: This is the third consecutive primetime game the Falcons have had.
Speaker 9: When is the last time you can say that?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that is crazy. It was an interesting move.
Speaker 2: I noticed that early from the schedule makers that like,
Speaker 2: we're going big on Kirk oh uh to start the season.
Speaker 5: Mike North really loves Atlanta Falcons.
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Speaker 7: And supporting actor. Yes, Yeah, this is the great. This
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Speaker 6: So thank you well.
Speaker 4: I love today's show.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm giving. I'm giving a yes for today's show. Steve,
Speaker 2: will you be back with us in a month for
Speaker 2: the next glitter I.
Speaker 9: Will and kirkle Change is going to make it because
Speaker 9: there's new wide receiver Davante Adams oh there you go, Island.
Speaker 2: All right, thanks again for watching NFL Daily. We'll be
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Speaker 8: Oh my god,