Speaker 1: Hey everyone, Today we're doing something a little bit different.
Speaker 1: I'm sharing an episode of another podcast. It's called adhd Aha.
Speaker 1: It includes candid stories from people who share the moment
Speaker 1: it clicked that they or someone they know has ADHD.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to do this because I know from
Speaker 1: talking to our audience that ADHD is something that many
Speaker 1: of you are experiencing. And I really liked this podcast
Speaker 1: and I thought it talked about it in really interesting
Speaker 1: and useful ways. I recently listened to the episode titled
Speaker 1: not Lazy but Exhausted from Analysis Paralysis and thought there
Speaker 1: might be some listeners out there who could relate to
Speaker 1: Emily's story. Laura and Emily dive deep into some of
Speaker 1: the common challenges of living with ADHD, exploring what true
Speaker 1: mental exhaustion feels like, and also sharing real struggles of
Speaker 1: suffering from analysis paralysis. I hope you give it a listen,
Speaker 1: and if it resonates, give adhd Aha podcast a follow.
Speaker 1: And now here is the EP.
Speaker 2: What looks like somebody just like sitting relaxing, not wanting
Speaker 2: to do anything, you know, watching a show, looking at
Speaker 2: their phone is actually describing the analysis paralysis. And I just
Speaker 2: felt like I was in that every day you are
Speaker 2: just sitting there screaming at yourself to get up and
Speaker 2: do something, and as the time ticks by, you're like, great,
Speaker 2: now you have five less minutes to do this thing.
Speaker 2: Now you have five Now what's the point.
Speaker 3: From the Understood podcast Network, this is adhd Aha, a
Speaker 3: podcast where people share the moment when it finally clicked
Speaker 3: that they or someone they know has ADHD. My name
Speaker 3: is Laura Key. I'm the editorial director here at Understood,
Speaker 3: and as someone who's had my own adhd aha moment,
Speaker 3: I'll be your host. I'm here today with Emily Weinberg.
Speaker 3: Emily is a listener who wrote in who said that
Speaker 3: she's been listening since we started the show, so grateful
Speaker 3: for that. Emily is also an ADHD coach who is
Speaker 3: located outside of Boston. You can find her at adhd
Speaker 3: with Emily dot com. Emily, thank you so much for
Speaker 3: being here today.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: Oh, there goes the Emily and I are laughing to
Speaker 3: the fire alarm just went off? Did you hear it?
Speaker 3: As soon as I introduced you.
Speaker 2: This is amazing.
Speaker 3: It's part of it. Now, Okay, I don't think I
Speaker 3: need to evacuate the building. But you know, if you
Speaker 3: see smoke behind me, please let me know and I'll
Speaker 3: go running out. If only this were a video episode
Speaker 3: so everyone could see the flashing lights.
Speaker 2: It looks like like a laser beam, like one of
Speaker 2: those like school photos where you had like the lasers
Speaker 2: behind you.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I know exactly what you mean. And
Speaker 3: it's not a big deal. You know, we're not people
Speaker 3: who get distracted at all. It's just an interview about ADHD.
Speaker 2: Totally tune that out.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for being at this circus with me today, Emily.
Speaker 3: I'm excited to chat with you. Thank you for being
Speaker 3: a listener for so long. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, I mean thank you for putting out
Speaker 2: such good content my pleasure.
Speaker 3: Okay, we're going to talk about your diagnosis. We're going
Speaker 3: to get to that, but I want to start with
Speaker 3: a biggie, if that's all right with you.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 3: When we chatted last you told me you used to
Speaker 3: describe yourself as a lazy person. Could you just unpack that?
Speaker 3: Why did you think you were a lazy person?
Speaker 2: I was not a driven by a motor brand of ADHD.
Speaker 2: I honestly feel like I never had an abundance of energy.
Speaker 2: I could nap whenever given the option of napping, and
Speaker 2: I mostly just didn't feel super driven to do a
Speaker 2: million things unless you know, I know, in high school,
Speaker 2: like when I was playing sports, Yeah, of course i'd
Speaker 2: go to practice afterwards, and you know, in those months
Speaker 2: when I played sports, I would be doing doing, and
Speaker 2: then in the in between, I just didn't do much.
Speaker 3: And as an.
Speaker 2: Adult, it's like any time I could just sit and
Speaker 2: quote unquote relax, I would, And I the term lazy.
Speaker 2: I really hate it so much now, but it did
Speaker 2: just kind of feel like laziness, like I don't really
Speaker 2: feel like doing much. And obviously, what I know now
Speaker 2: it's that I did have a bunch of things I
Speaker 2: probably wanted to do and still want to do, but
Speaker 2: sometimes that feels overwhelming when there's so many different options
Speaker 2: and you're not quite sure what to do. And also
Speaker 2: I really was tired often, you know, and I predit
Speaker 2: that to just like mental exhaustion of like a really
Speaker 2: fast moving brain and making choices and decisions all day
Speaker 2: and trying to plan ahead and not really being able
Speaker 2: to see ahead, and just you know, everything that happens
Speaker 2: within the brain of somebody with ADHD. I was exhausted
Speaker 2: all the time. I didn't feel like I had a
Speaker 2: great reason to be exhausted at times, because it's not
Speaker 2: like I had been out training for a marathon or
Speaker 2: running all over the place or whatever. But I was
Speaker 2: just often tired.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just listeners, you need to hear this. Emily
Speaker 3: is not a lazy person. And I hope you hear that.
Speaker 3: Emily knows that she's not a lazy person, right, right, right.
Speaker 3: I wanted to start there because it's just such a
Speaker 3: stark contrast with how we usually perceive people with ADHD.
Speaker 3: Tell me more about the exhaustion in your brain and
Speaker 3: how that kind of transferred to the body.
Speaker 2: It's like, I can't even tell you. Oh, I remember
Speaker 2: in high school just having like a million thoughts a
Speaker 2: moment and my brain was constantly racing. It's more now, like,
Speaker 2: of in hindsight, this is now what I know about ADHD.
Speaker 2: It makes a lot of sense that if my brain
Speaker 2: was just always on and thinking and processing and trying
Speaker 2: to figure the things out. It makes a lot of
Speaker 2: sense then that that would be completely and totally exhausting.
Speaker 2: I know, as an adult now. One of the things
Speaker 2: that really exhausts me the most is just like decision making.
Speaker 2: I used to be a teacher. I mean, you make
Speaker 2: four million choices every day as a teacher. So teaching
Speaker 2: is exhausting period. No other explanation, but man, I just
Speaker 2: came home and it was like, I can't tell you
Speaker 2: what I want for dinner. I can't tell you which
Speaker 2: show I want to watch. I could barely walk my
Speaker 2: dog and like think about what route I wanted to
Speaker 2: walk him on.
Speaker 3: It was just so you're talking really about analysis paralysis,
Speaker 3: but not in your more formal areas of life, not
Speaker 3: in work life. It sounds like, but when you get
Speaker 3: home and it's just you and you may have an
Speaker 3: option for there's not something you have to do. Now
Speaker 3: you have a different kind of choice to make.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I have never felt that part the analysis
Speaker 2: paralysis so strongly as you and I had. My kids.
Speaker 2: Their nap times were like torture for me because I
Speaker 2: think every single nap time they had I immediately went
Speaker 2: into that analysis paralysis. Exhausted, can't do anything, didn't do anything,
Speaker 2: just like spin cycle. It's like they'd go to nap
Speaker 2: when they're really little. You have no idea how much
Speaker 2: time you're going to have, So that's like your first challenge, Right,
Speaker 2: Do I have twenty minutes? Do I have forty minutes?
Speaker 2: You're exhausted, you just want to sit down for a minute.
Speaker 2: But sitting down for a minute for me meant sitting
Speaker 2: down for the remainder, but not relaxing, not taking an
Speaker 2: intentional I'm tired, I need to do nothing while they nap,
Speaker 2: so I'm sitting here on the couch. It was not
Speaker 2: an intentional decision. It was I would like to sit
Speaker 2: down for five minutes and then do something. But the
Speaker 2: five minutes of quote unquote rest turns into are they
Speaker 2: going to wake up in twenty minutes? Do I have
Speaker 2: two hours? Do I have laundry to do? Should I
Speaker 2: do the dishes? Should I organized stuff? And then I
Speaker 2: get so exhausted in those five minutes, and then I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: now I only maybe have fifteen minutes, so and it's
Speaker 2: just it was such a cycle.
Speaker 3: That happens to me a lot too. It's so emotional
Speaker 3: as well. I will when I'm transitioning from anything work
Speaker 3: or parenting related to none of the above. It's like
Speaker 3: I'm just going to take five minutes. I just need
Speaker 3: five minutes. It's always thirty minutes at least at least. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I'm not doing anything productive, and that's not really
Speaker 3: the point. But then I'm mad that I'm not doing
Speaker 3: anything productive, Like that's this shame spiral. You know.
Speaker 2: I'd love to sit here and say, but I'm over it.
Speaker 2: I figured out how to Yeah, it still happens. I'm
Speaker 2: a little bit more aware of what's happening.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I have tools now that I can like snap myself
Speaker 2: out when needed or give myself some compassion and understanding
Speaker 2: when needed. But at the time, right you are just
Speaker 2: sitting there screaming at yourself to get up and do something,
Speaker 2: And as the time ticks by, you're like, great, now
Speaker 2: you have five less minutes to do this thing. Now,
Speaker 2: now what's the point. I think another piece of it, too,
Speaker 2: is the idea behind like starting and finishing tasks. I
Speaker 2: know now I really know about myself. I really really
Speaker 2: cannot stand starting things that I'm not going to be
Speaker 2: able to finish because I know pulling myself out of
Speaker 2: the task when it's not quite done is just so painful.
Speaker 2: So there's this piece of it where you're like stuck
Speaker 2: in analysis paralysis, and then the time starts ticking by,
Speaker 2: and now it becomes well, even if I could get
Speaker 2: myself to start, now, I'm not gonna be able to finish.
Speaker 2: So what's the point. It's the exhaustion of trying to
Speaker 2: get yourself to do something, doing the mental math of
Speaker 2: how long that's going to take, trying to figure out
Speaker 2: what is the thing? That mental exhaustion, and then the
Speaker 2: afterwards mental exhaustion of just like beating yourself up so
Speaker 2: much and shaming yourself for not being quote unquot productive
Speaker 2: with this time. It's brutal.
Speaker 3: It's brutal. An example I give to other folks who
Speaker 3: don't have this brain is you know that feeling when
Speaker 3: you know you have to wake up really early, and
Speaker 3: then you can't fall asleep because you keep thinking about
Speaker 3: the time, like the lost sleep cycles. Yeah, every passing minute.
Speaker 3: It's like living in that loop.
Speaker 4: Right, like all day, every day.
Speaker 3: What did this look like as a kid?
Speaker 2: You know, I very distinctly remember, you know, you heard
Speaker 2: the garage door open and like a parent was home,
Speaker 2: and you like hopped off the couch right like, oh,
Speaker 2: they can't know I've just been sitting on the couch
Speaker 2: all day.
Speaker 3: I still do that today. When I hear my husband
Speaker 3: coming home with the kids, I'm like, I get up
Speaker 3: and I'm conveniently unloading the dishwasher as they're walking in
Speaker 3: the door. Same, given the appearance, it's same.
Speaker 2: And sometimes I can catch it and like stop myself
Speaker 2: because I'm like, no, I don't need to be being
Speaker 2: productive right now. But whatever happens in your body when
Speaker 2: you hear the garage is it's like an instinct where
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, I gotta be finding something to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: So there was a little bit of like I should
Speaker 2: be doing more because I'm just kind of being like lazybones, like,
Speaker 2: you know, just lounging.
Speaker 3: Can you recall ever getting in trouble for being a
Speaker 3: lazy bones in quotes?
Speaker 2: No, I mean I think I just distinctly remember feeling
Speaker 2: like everyone thought I was just like a lazy bum
Speaker 2: My sister who now has also been diagnosed with ADHD,
Speaker 2: which is interesting because we are polar opposites. My sister
Speaker 2: was more driven than me. She was very go go go.
Speaker 2: She was like involved in all the clubs and great grades,
Speaker 2: and she was like a fitness instructor, and I feel
Speaker 2: like I was like a bum hanging out. I don't
Speaker 2: think I got in trouble. I think I got like
Speaker 2: questions sometimes like how long have you been like playing
Speaker 2: that game on the computer, or like how long have
Speaker 2: you been like sitting on the couch, or like what
Speaker 2: are you going to do today? I was a really
Speaker 2: good kid. I did not cause any problems. I did
Speaker 2: not get in trouble. I did fine in school. I
Speaker 2: didn't break rules. You know, if the worst thing I
Speaker 2: was doing was like coming home and just like vegging
Speaker 2: on the couch, nobody was like, you're not doing anything
Speaker 2: with your life. It's like I was. And that really,
Speaker 2: honestly might have been their perception of like they really
Speaker 2: didn't care because they knew that I was busy at
Speaker 2: other times. But to me, it always just felt like
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do, So here I am.
Speaker 3: I have this random image in my mind and it's TMI,
Speaker 3: but just like, go with me for a minute. I
Speaker 3: I remember right after having each of my kids, and
Speaker 3: I was pumping a lot. I didn't physically like it,
Speaker 3: but I liked it because I could pump and I
Speaker 3: could just play games on my phone and I didn't
Speaker 3: have to again have to and quotes feel guilty because
Speaker 3: I was doing something productive with my body while just
Speaker 3: letting my mind wither away. Again, nothing wrong with just
Speaker 3: chilling out and like playing on your phone in between
Speaker 3: like tougher moments in the day whatever. It was just
Speaker 3: this like I felt guilty about it, and I needed
Speaker 3: to be doing that act of pumping to not feel
Speaker 3: guilty about it.
Speaker 2: It was like the one time you really gave yourself permission, yeah,
Speaker 2: to just zone out totally man and hed sight sho.
Speaker 2: I should have applied that to my pumping sessions because.
Speaker 3: My husband's like, you are very prolific. You are making
Speaker 3: a lot of milk, right, I mean.
Speaker 2: And isn't it so funny though that like I was
Speaker 2: giving myself permission to just do nothing, and it's like
Speaker 2: because you're actually not doing nothing, Like oh my god,
Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, body is creating food for your child.
Speaker 2: But I know, raise like it has to be that
Speaker 2: level to just have the permission to sit and play
Speaker 2: on your phone, when like you should have the permission
Speaker 2: any day, at any hour, whenever you want to give
Speaker 2: it to yourself. But that's hard. That's a hard place
Speaker 2: to get to.
Speaker 3: So you got diagnosed in twenty twenty one, what was
Speaker 3: happening in your life like at that precise moment, if
Speaker 3: you can remember.
Speaker 2: I think it was just a whole bunch of things.
Speaker 2: One of my best friends, who we are very very
Speaker 2: similar to each other, people joke like we have the
Speaker 2: same brain, she had been diagnosed with ADHD, so she
Speaker 2: had been talking to me a little bit about it,
Speaker 2: like like, we're the same person. Really need to look
Speaker 2: into it. My main hold up at that time was
Speaker 2: this kind of ADHD. I'm not hyperactive. I'm just like
Speaker 2: disorganized and a quote unquote hot mess and like spacey whatever.
Speaker 2: So my sister's son was like in first grade and
Speaker 2: they were he was, you know, having some problems with
Speaker 2: like you know, his like folder was always disorganized and
Speaker 2: is like handwriting, and they were trying to like give
Speaker 2: him some support, and they said he has some executive
Speaker 2: functioning deficits, which I am embarrassed to have met. I
Speaker 2: was a teacher, and I honestly had not really heard
Speaker 2: of executive functions, and so I kind of looked into
Speaker 2: it and that's when I was like, this is what
Speaker 2: I have. This describes me like organization, planning, time management,
Speaker 2: you know, self motivation, like emotional regulation all that.
Speaker 3: I was like, this is what I have.
Speaker 2: I don't have the hyperactive piece, and then looking into
Speaker 2: that further and realizing, oh, that is ADHD inattentive type.
Speaker 2: And then I saw the Danny Donnovan graphic of somebody
Speaker 2: sitting on a couch looking like they're just lounging, looking
Speaker 2: at their phone or watching TV, and except on the
Speaker 2: top like what it looks like to the outside world.
Speaker 2: And then the bubble below was the same graphic with
Speaker 2: all the things in the whole thought bubble. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: what looks like somebody just like sitting relaxing, not wanting
Speaker 2: to do anything, watching a show, looking at their phone
Speaker 2: is actually describing analysis paralysis. And I just felt like
Speaker 2: I was in that.
Speaker 3: Every Dayovan friend of the pod. She's phenomenal.
Speaker 2: I really thank her for those comments because it was
Speaker 2: so perfectly portraying my experience. That just catapulted me into
Speaker 2: going down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 3: So your kids right now, you have two kids who
Speaker 3: are the same age. They are five.
Speaker 2: They just turned five. Yeah, we just had their birthday
Speaker 2: party yesterday. So, oh, my surprised I'm still standing. Actually,
Speaker 2: it was fine. That was dramatic, It was fine. It
Speaker 2: was a bit overwhelming, but it's fine.
Speaker 3: You and your wife carried your kids at the same time,
Speaker 3: is that right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, without going into too much detail, fertility
Speaker 2: issues played a part of it, and I'll just say
Speaker 2: we were kind of hedging our bets, I guess is
Speaker 2: how you want to put it, Like just hoping for
Speaker 2: a good outcome, and we just have to get two
Speaker 2: good outcomes. Very unexpectedly. Did not think that that was
Speaker 2: going to be what happened. And yeah, so they were
Speaker 2: born a week apart. We have a boy and a girl.
Speaker 2: And now they're five.
Speaker 3: So in twenty twenty one, your kids were three. How
Speaker 3: big of a factor did being a new mom play
Speaker 3: into this? Because you were managing before, Yeah, and then
Speaker 3: you became a parent to two, not one, but two children.
Speaker 2: Right. That made it really hard to try to claim
Speaker 2: that I had ADHD because the mom kind of dialogue
Speaker 2: out there is like motherhood is so hard. Everyone's struggling.
Speaker 2: Everyone you know is having a hard time staying organized.
Speaker 2: All moms are running late.
Speaker 3: It's thisalthy, comicy Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Just the like being a mom isn't easy. That's kind
Speaker 2: of what it comes down to. So it was hard
Speaker 2: to kind of be like, I think this is hard
Speaker 2: for me because of ADHD, Like I don't think I'm
Speaker 2: experiencing the same kind of hard as like baseline mom hard.
Speaker 2: And the first psychiatrist who I spoke to basically did
Speaker 2: tell me that I was an overwhelmed mom with young kids.
Speaker 2: Not basically that's actually the words that she said to
Speaker 2: me was you just see or anxious. You just seem
Speaker 2: like you're an anxious mom with young kids. That was it.
Speaker 2: So it was like, what you already are worried. It
Speaker 2: is like it's this hard for everyone, but everyone else
Speaker 2: is just managing it better. A psychiatrist now said that
Speaker 2: to me, this is just anxiety. Everyone is experiencing this.
Speaker 2: And this was after months of me researching and knowing
Speaker 2: it was adh and really just wanting it to be
Speaker 2: confirmed so I could know I wasn't completely crazy.
Speaker 3: You were told to basically just like tough en up.
Speaker 2: By the time I had that evaluation, I had already
Speaker 2: joined a coaching program super thankfully, because I knew that
Speaker 2: was a possibility. I had kind of been prepared that
Speaker 2: some psychiatrists do not know enough about ADHD and how
Speaker 2: it presents in women and chalk it up to anxiety
Speaker 2: and depression and it's unfortunate. So I kind of knew
Speaker 2: that that was a possibility going in. I very naively
Speaker 2: thought that that would not be the case, but it was.
Speaker 2: And then I had like a support network for when
Speaker 2: that happened to kind of tell me, like, get another opinion,
Speaker 2: go to someone else. That person doesn't know what she's
Speaker 2: talking about. Because this was also a person she basically
Speaker 2: just had said, like, you sound like you're, you know,
Speaker 2: pretty successful, and you graduated college, and this just sounds
Speaker 2: like anxiety. But she had not asked me any questions
Speaker 2: about like how school had been for me or how
Speaker 2: my work life was. There was no curiosity around where
Speaker 2: the anxiety was stemming from, which is really where she
Speaker 2: missed the point. And I try to be really vocal
Speaker 2: about that because it just that is what happens to
Speaker 2: so many women, is that they really just told its anxiety.
Speaker 3: So you left your teaching career and have become an
Speaker 3: ADHD coach? Did I say that right? Or I saw
Speaker 3: your face?
Speaker 2: Yes, Well, I left teaching when I had the kids.
Speaker 2: I won attorney leave, and then I took an extended
Speaker 2: maternity leave, and then I realized there is no way
Speaker 2: I can go back to teaching. Like that was the
Speaker 2: other thing, Like I know that there are so many
Speaker 2: teachers who are also moms. I could not wrap my
Speaker 2: head around how much I was struggling with momhood, how
Speaker 2: much I struggled as a teacher doing those things independently,
Speaker 2: and then doing both of them. I was like, no,
Speaker 2: there's actually no way. And again this is undiagnosed, untreated,
Speaker 2: unmedicated on anything. Would I want to do it now?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Do I have tools that I could probably make it
Speaker 2: work now? Probably, but I don't want to anyway. So
Speaker 2: I had been home. I joined a coaching program. I
Speaker 2: spent a long time learning, and you know, about a
Speaker 2: year and a half of that just like try to
Speaker 2: understand more about myself, trying to learn more about myself,
Speaker 2: trying to accept how I am and that I'm not
Speaker 2: just like inherently flawed and lazy and forgetful and considerate
Speaker 2: and all the words that we have gathered and put
Speaker 2: into our own little narrative about ourselves. So I kind
Speaker 2: of spent a really long time trying to relearn myself.
Speaker 2: And I still am. I still very much am. Like
Speaker 2: I said, I pop up when I hear the garage,
Speaker 2: and I spend time playing on my phone instead of
Speaker 2: moving on to the next thing on my agenda, and
Speaker 2: I get into analysis prolesis sometimes and I still do
Speaker 2: all the things, but I really have learned how to
Speaker 2: kind of like be a little bit more in control
Speaker 2: of a lot of that stuff and how to support
Speaker 2: myself and others. And that's what really it really just
Speaker 2: dawned on me one day, like this is what I
Speaker 2: want to do now. I all I want to do
Speaker 2: is help other people who are struggling understand themselves more
Speaker 2: and feel like they can shift into a life that
Speaker 2: they feel like they have a little bit more control of,
Speaker 2: more intention They're doing what they actually want to do
Speaker 2: and not just what they're like feeling shamed into doing
Speaker 2: or should do. They're not just sitting around beating themselves
Speaker 2: up all the time. Yeah, it was just like, whoa,
Speaker 2: that's that's actually what I have to be doing.
Speaker 3: Do you take clients outside of Boston? Do you work remotely?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I see clients over zoom, So I
Speaker 2: have a client in Germany. I used to see someone
Speaker 2: in Australia, but that time zone, it's very difficult. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but we made it work.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just mentioned because you have your website adhd
Speaker 3: with Emily dot com, and I know you are in
Speaker 3: the Boston area. But when I give a little plug
Speaker 3: for folks who may be looking for a coach.
Speaker 2: Yes, I can totally see people all over I am
Speaker 2: taking clients.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Emily, I'm grateful that you came on today. Emily,
Speaker 3: I'm really grateful that you have been listening to the
Speaker 3: show for so long. It's really validating to me too,
Speaker 3: because it's just it's hard to get organized sometimes to
Speaker 3: do something like this. So here we are just similar
Speaker 3: with you with your coaching.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I have loved this show so much. I
Speaker 2: love the diverse experience. It's not just like the same
Speaker 2: story every time. It's like they're all so different, yet
Speaker 2: you can just understand everybody's experience so well. There it's
Speaker 2: like a universal language and then like all these different
Speaker 2: like dialects. So I've loved it.
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