WEBVTT - Work in Progress: JoAnna Garcia Swisher

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Hey Whipsmarties.

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<v Speaker 1>I am so excited to sit down today with a

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<v Speaker 1>woman I have known and admired for so long, not

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<v Speaker 1>only for her incredible career, but as a human who

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<v Speaker 1>was one of the very first people I met when

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<v Speaker 1>I started work as a little whipper snapper on the WB.

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<v Speaker 1>Today's guest is none other than Joanna Garcia Swisher. She

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<v Speaker 1>has an undeniable range as both a comedic and a

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<v Speaker 1>dramatic actress. She's one of those people who is so

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<v Speaker 1>naturally vibrant that you're drawn to her in every room,

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<v Speaker 1>and she has built such an incredible not only career,

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<v Speaker 1>but life, from her current role on Netflix's Sweet Magnolia's

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<v Speaker 1>to her beautiful lifestyle destination The Happy Place, with which

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<v Speaker 1>really explores what motivates us, what makes us feel amazing,

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<v Speaker 1>how we gather, how we enjoy, what it is to

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<v Speaker 1>be alive, to one of my very favorite things. Y'all know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really watch reality TV, but I did get

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<v Speaker 1>hooked on the Ultimatum Queer Love, and she hosted it,

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<v Speaker 1>and my goodness, did I love it. She does all

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<v Speaker 1>of it. She's a mom of two young girls. She

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<v Speaker 1>is a wife, she is a producer, she is a creator,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm just so excited to sit down and talk

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<v Speaker 1>with her today about the twenty plus years we've known

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<v Speaker 1>each other, what her career has been like thus far,

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<v Speaker 1>and what she sees ahead in the next twenty Let's

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<v Speaker 1>sit down with Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, I'm so excited to see you in your family's

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<v Speaker 1>well and I really's good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the girls are getting so big, eleven and eight.

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<v Speaker 2>It's wild. I know. I was just talking to Nick

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<v Speaker 2>last night and he was saying something about a car

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<v Speaker 2>and he's like, well, Emmy, I'll be driving in like

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<v Speaker 2>four years. And I thought, what did you just say

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<v Speaker 2>to me? I felt I felt like it was an assault.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, granted, she's eleven, almost twelve, but I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>don't say that to me. Don't point that stuff out.

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<v Speaker 1>That's too big a leap.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, no, sir, because you know how quickly

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<v Speaker 2>four years goes by. God willing by the way in this.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just thought, oh, gosh, but you know, we're

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<v Speaker 2>just good. It's good East Coast eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you're loving it.

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<v Speaker 2>We are. I mean, we're back home, and so it

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<v Speaker 2>feels right after I lost my dad and then my

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<v Speaker 2>mom and then my grandmother. Well my grandmother are two

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<v Speaker 2>weeks before my mom. It just felt like the right

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<v Speaker 2>thing to be home. I needed to be by my brother.

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<v Speaker 2>My in laws had moved to Tampa, so we came back.

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<v Speaker 2>And also I've been working in Georgia since twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's like a hop skip, so we're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>splitting our time between there, and it feels feels like

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<v Speaker 2>the right spot. But every time I go back to

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<v Speaker 2>La just but I kind of just miss what we had,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you know, that era, that time where things were

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<v Speaker 2>just a little bit more simple, a lot more simple,

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, and it was fun and stiff. So I

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<v Speaker 2>just I'm a nostalgic for that me too mean moments.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting, though, when you talk about your girls, because

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite things to ask people is to

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<v Speaker 1>rewind and talk about childhood. And I realize, in all

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<v Speaker 1>the years I've known you, I've not really asked you

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<v Speaker 1>this question either, And I find that it's so interesting

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<v Speaker 1>when I get to talk to parents about this, because

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<v Speaker 1>they can look at their own childhood and also see

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<v Speaker 1>these sort of themes reflected in their children in present day.

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<v Speaker 1>So when when you look back, you know, at the

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<v Speaker 1>age your younger daughter is at nine, if you could

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<v Speaker 1>go and hang out with nine year old Joanna, would

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<v Speaker 1>you see the woman you are today in her? Would

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<v Speaker 1>you be like, oh my god, she's friendly and gathers

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<v Speaker 1>people and is so communicative and as a total performer

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<v Speaker 1>or was she like a totally different kid.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there was probably all of that there, and

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<v Speaker 2>this sort of just like knowing that things were going

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<v Speaker 2>to be okay. But I was really picked on at

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<v Speaker 2>that time of my life, you know, and I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I still carry those scars to this day of

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<v Speaker 2>just I was so emotional. And one of my friends

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<v Speaker 2>has a daughter who's like this, and I see it

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<v Speaker 2>a lot in her and I always kind of talk

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<v Speaker 2>to my friend through it, and people call her dramatic

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<v Speaker 2>and all of this stuff, and I'm like, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's what makes her so unique and special and she

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<v Speaker 2>feels so deeply, and so yeah, I think I see

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of that. I'm probably a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>graceful now, a little, but I was a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a bull in a china shop, which I am

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<v Speaker 2>now still in certain ways. But I was like I

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<v Speaker 2>know what I want to do with my life. I

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<v Speaker 2>knew I had this utter sense of just faith that

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<v Speaker 2>everything was going to be okay. But it was hard.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really hard, and it definitely affected it still

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<v Speaker 2>does to this day, that sort of need to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like please and fit in and all of those

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<v Speaker 2>little insecurities that creep up naturally. And then we choose

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<v Speaker 2>to do what we do for a living, which is

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<v Speaker 2>so forward facing and up for a million opinions, and

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<v Speaker 2>lord knows, we didn't even know back then when we

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<v Speaker 2>started this that the world would be like this, that

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<v Speaker 2>there would be so much access and conversation about us.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I feel like when we started on the

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<v Speaker 2>WB it was like message boards that you had to

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<v Speaker 2>like log into AOL about it. Just like you think

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<v Speaker 2>about how much the world has changed. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that when I look back on my childhood, I

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<v Speaker 2>really felt now that I'm really just kind of digging

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<v Speaker 2>into it. My mom was just such a She was

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<v Speaker 2>like a getter done. She was like, what do you

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<v Speaker 2>want to do? She was so supportive, and I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I have a lot of that like feral mom

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<v Speaker 2>energy and me where I'm like, you want to do this?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go in, like, let's figure it out, let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>My husband had a little bit of that too, which

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<v Speaker 2>is not a great balance for us, so we tend

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of like go all over the place. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I just I felt I felt like it was tough,

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<v Speaker 2>but I knew it was going to be okay. And

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of feel like that now. I guess I

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<v Speaker 2>just said that earlier. When we got on the phone.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like we started talking, I was like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a hard moment. Yeah, but we're going to be okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And my dad really talked a lot about that too.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad was an immigrant, you know, he came over

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<v Speaker 2>when he was thirteen years old from Cuba, and he

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<v Speaker 2>saw a lot, a lot, a lot of things in

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<v Speaker 2>his life. And what I feel like, I know, especially

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<v Speaker 2>now having like my parents on the other side, that

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<v Speaker 2>I can endure a lot more than I feared a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of things that I just now know. I say

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<v Speaker 2>to my daughters. My daughter asked me if childbirth was painful.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, well, yeah, but she's like, I'm so scared

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<v Speaker 2>of it. And I was like, you're eight and by

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<v Speaker 2>the time you decide to have a baby, or if

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<v Speaker 2>that's what your choice is like, you'll be ready for it,

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<v Speaker 2>you can handle the pain. Put that, but let's bench

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<v Speaker 2>that one for now. But it is true because I

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<v Speaker 2>was so afraid of the idea of like, God, what

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<v Speaker 2>happens the day I lose my mom my dad. It's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be the worst, the worst, And it is.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm still here, and I'm still living and still

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<v Speaker 2>thriving and still navigating life.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, well, and I think there's something really interesting

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, the point that you make about sensitivity,

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<v Speaker 1>because it is hard to be sensitive to cruelty, to

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<v Speaker 1>be sensitive to the suffering of others, to feel the

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<v Speaker 1>weight of things in the world. But I think it

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<v Speaker 1>also can be such a leading force. It's the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that allows you to say, oh, this suffering is an injustice,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh this is a person I could show up for.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I wish I wish someone had shown up for

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<v Speaker 1>me during X. And so when I see someone going

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<v Speaker 1>through it, I'll show up for them. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's it's a gift. It's not always easy to be

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<v Speaker 1>informed and conscious and tapped in and all the things,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do think it's the only way that things

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<v Speaker 1>get better. And so maybe that's why so many sensitive

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<v Speaker 1>people wind up in ways becoming artists and creating things

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<v Speaker 1>because to tell other people's stories is a it's a

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<v Speaker 1>way of showing up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean not to I've shared this before, but

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<v Speaker 2>I had that there was a moment where I was

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<v Speaker 2>contemplating not wanting to act as much anymore. And I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't share that with anybody because that actually, even saying

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<v Speaker 2>it now is kind of a scary thing because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't feel that way now, just FYI. But I had

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<v Speaker 2>a healer, this really wonderful woman, and she said to me,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what we do as artists, and not to

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<v Speaker 2>like make our job so important, but she said, it's

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<v Speaker 2>life is all about bumping up against each other and

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<v Speaker 2>honing our stones, and oftentimes people, you know, we're so

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<v Speaker 2>many people are just trying to survive right now, and

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<v Speaker 2>their escape is watching television, or their escape is you know,

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<v Speaker 2>going to a beautiful museum and you know, looking at

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<v Speaker 2>incredible art and learning about those things. And part of

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<v Speaker 2>what our I think gift is and our ability, like

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<v Speaker 2>the honor of what we do, is to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of make people feel certain things because we

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<v Speaker 2>are able to hone stones just by allowing someone to

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<v Speaker 2>laugh or cry, or look at the world in a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of a different way, or learn something. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think it is really important to It's not easy

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<v Speaker 2>to be so raw in touch and you know, literally

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<v Speaker 2>step into the pain and suffering of somebody else that

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know. You know, those are all they're great honors,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not easy to do. And so but I

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<v Speaker 2>also think there's like value to it more than just entertainment.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do think that it's like an energetic sort

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<v Speaker 2>of healing that we have an opportunity to do and

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<v Speaker 2>to connect. And all I want to do right now

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<v Speaker 2>is tell stories that are relatable and too. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not the coolest stories, maybe you're the hippist or

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<v Speaker 2>the ones that get the most attention, but they're the

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<v Speaker 2>ones that make people feel like less alone. And right now,

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<v Speaker 2>I just like that's so that's where I'm fitting in

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<v Speaker 2>and with my job, and also you know, trying to

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<v Speaker 2>raise two young women to look outside of themselves and

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<v Speaker 2>look further than their immediate radius, and by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>also also settle in and figure out how you can

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<v Speaker 2>help the person that's sitting right next right next to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Such a great honor to connect and it is a

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<v Speaker 2>huge responsibility. And so you and I think as we

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<v Speaker 2>get older we try to like protect our energy and

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<v Speaker 2>our peace and all of that. Yeah, that's that is

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<v Speaker 2>also a delicate dance. What do we have the bandwidth for? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's I'm so grateful to be surrounded by such strong, connected, aware,

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<v Speaker 2>awake people because it's like I got your back, you

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<v Speaker 2>got mine, and will kind of carry the burden, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>cover the terrain together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, And you know, I think I get what

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<v Speaker 1>you mean. You know, we're so taught to not you know,

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<v Speaker 1>praise what we do or whatever, but I do think

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<v Speaker 1>it's important to love it. And I get that it's

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<v Speaker 1>not rocket science, and I get that it's not curing cancer.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've also sort of had to I had a

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<v Speaker 1>friend say this to me. One of my best friends

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<v Speaker 1>paid me a compliment and I did the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>women are taught to do, and immediately, you know, self deprecated.

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<v Speaker 1>And it happened to be a guy friend of mine,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was like, this is so interesting to me

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<v Speaker 1>that the difference, he said, do you not get that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm essentially I'm giving you a gift. It's like if

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<v Speaker 1>I handed you a present, and you immediately batted it

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<v Speaker 1>back into my hands. It would be insulting. Why do

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<v Speaker 1>you want to take this compliment and throw it right

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<v Speaker 1>back at me and immediately delegitimize it. And I had

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<v Speaker 1>to see that it could hurt someone else's feelings to

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<v Speaker 1>realize I was actually in validate.

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<v Speaker 2>My own Yes, and I think about that.

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<v Speaker 1>In terms of our work, and I've this is such

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<v Speaker 1>a gift of the experience that I've had with some

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<v Speaker 1>of the wonderful people I've gotten to meet around the

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<v Speaker 1>world who watch the things we make, and the number

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<v Speaker 1>of people who've said, in one version or another, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you might not be curing cancer, but I watched your

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<v Speaker 1>show through my cancer treatment. I was just going to

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<v Speaker 1>say that you might not be. And it's like, wait

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<v Speaker 1>a second, Oh my god. Yes we get to encourage empathy. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we get to step into other people's shoes. Yes, we

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<v Speaker 1>might get to show audiences people they don't know and

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<v Speaker 1>remind people that no one is other. But we also

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<v Speaker 1>do get to walk through things with people that so

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<v Speaker 1>many others don't. And when I went through my own

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<v Speaker 1>period of what you're talking about, of going, oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>love my job, but maybe I'm entering a phase in

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<v Speaker 1>my life where it's not really for me. Yeah, what

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<v Speaker 1>brought me back to how much I love my job

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<v Speaker 1>and what makes me more excited than ever for all

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<v Speaker 1>the things ahead was actually being reminded of how special

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<v Speaker 1>and sacred our job is. When the making it and

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<v Speaker 1>the things we've all as women been through on set

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<v Speaker 1>hit a sort of breaking point for me, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I don't understand, Like, how can all these

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<v Speaker 1>people stand around and watch and say nothing? How can

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<v Speaker 1>this be acceptable or just the way it is? I

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<v Speaker 1>think I need a minute, and I gave myself a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>thank god. But what the beat taught me was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>part of why I hate when it's not being treated properly,

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<v Speaker 1>that the job, the environment, the women on the set,

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<v Speaker 1>all of it under the hit umbrella. Be concluded, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess it is because this is actually so special. It's

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<v Speaker 1>such a privilege. We're so lucky to do this thing

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<v Speaker 1>that connects us to people around the world. And like,

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<v Speaker 1>in a way I had to lean out for a second,

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<v Speaker 1>to lean in doubly.

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<v Speaker 2>It literally was the exact what I at twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>It's exactly that realization for me. Wow, it was just

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<v Speaker 2>my tank was empty, and then I got Sweet Magnolia.

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<v Speaker 2>As they asked me to do this little show, I

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<v Speaker 2>had no idea what to expect. I knew one of

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<v Speaker 2>the directors on the show. I admired the women that

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<v Speaker 2>had already been cast, and I was like, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>one of those things for like three days, you have

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<v Speaker 2>three days to decide. I had Sailor was a baby.

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<v Speaker 2>I picked her up out of her cribs. I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I got to read these scripts today, and it totally

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<v Speaker 2>reignited my commitment to what I think will be like

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<v Speaker 2>the next twenty years of my career and how and

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<v Speaker 2>knowing that, you know, telling stories that like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a sweet it's a show about friendship and women

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<v Speaker 2>and sisterhood and family, but like there's so much truth

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<v Speaker 2>to it. And it just was like the right at

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<v Speaker 2>the right time, the right moment, the right time, and

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<v Speaker 2>everything kind of came together and I was like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the type of storytelling. And in some ways, I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I had been putting that out there and

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<v Speaker 2>like it was, you know, the law of attraction, like

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<v Speaker 2>I was welcoming into my life. But I thought, no,

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<v Speaker 2>this is it. This was an answer to a question

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<v Speaker 2>that I had had that I did that I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>even articulating correctly, but it was just not settling. I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't in my in the flow. And now I feel

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent the clarity is so there. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>it makes sense now.

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<v Speaker 1>And now a word from our sponsors that I really

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy and I think you will too. It's interesting because

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<v Speaker 1>even the way you talk about it. You said earlier

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<v Speaker 1>that you have nostalgia for that kind of beginning era

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<v Speaker 1>when we all started working and we were all on

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<v Speaker 1>the WV and you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, all these things glossy and.

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<v Speaker 1>Interestingly, my brain was like, God, I get it. But

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<v Speaker 1>also I missed the era because I was in North Carolina, Carolina. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I can see you guys like once a year when

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<v Speaker 1>you would come in.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like at home totally. Yeah, that's true. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>good point.

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<v Speaker 1>But the way you're talking about the show, it feels nostalgic. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wonder if maybe that's part of why it

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<v Speaker 1>feels so special.

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<v Speaker 2>So good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a great point. I'm going to marinate on

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<v Speaker 2>that a little bit because actually that I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of touches a little bit on my grief

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<v Speaker 2>and where I've been in, you know, like my life is.

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<v Speaker 2>The irony is that this incredible blessing came into my

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<v Speaker 2>life at the same time that I experienced the most

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<v Speaker 2>signial loss that I've ever even could have imagined. It

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<v Speaker 2>was like damn, bam bam. I mean and talk about

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<v Speaker 2>being untethered. You know, mom and dad are gone, grandmother's gone,

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone's like there and I'm just like, okay, I'm here,

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<v Speaker 2>and who's my anchor? You know. It was like really discombobulating,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I feel like maybe it always kind of

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<v Speaker 2>meant to be in that that I needed that like

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<v Speaker 2>touch back to where a safer time and easier time,

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<v Speaker 2>a special time I needed the balance.

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<v Speaker 1>How interesting that you were going through this seismic shift

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<v Speaker 1>in your life, because I think, you know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>about this a lot, you know, knock on wood, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm lucky to have both my parents, yes, And I

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<v Speaker 1>think about I am aware already that there is a

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<v Speaker 1>before and an after that when you lose your parents

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<v Speaker 1>and you're just speaking. It's weird. We're having this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a cross time conversation in the present. You're you're

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<v Speaker 1>speaking from the after, and as I'm listening to you,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, well, no, wonder this amazing show about family

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<v Speaker 1>and friendship came to.

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<v Speaker 2>You in this moment, Like, yeah, it saved me.

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<v Speaker 1>For you to be able to be in that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of arena of love and to process emotion and to

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<v Speaker 1>just be present, It's like, Wow, what an amazing kind

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<v Speaker 1>of gift it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And also one of my co stars has lost both

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<v Speaker 2>had lost both of her parents too, and so few

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<v Speaker 2>of my friends at like my age, our age, like,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't we don't know that right, And I'll never

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<v Speaker 2>forget this season. We were on set together. We both

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<v Speaker 2>had our prop phones, which are obviously not connected at all,

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<v Speaker 2>but we were talking and we both brought up our

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<v Speaker 2>dads and we looked down at our prop phone and

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<v Speaker 2>he said, oh my god, Brook, I said, the date

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<v Speaker 2>my prop phone is the day that my dad died.

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<v Speaker 2>And she looked down at her prop phone and her

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<v Speaker 2>prop phone and it's the date that her dad died,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, we just started to ball. I was,

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<v Speaker 2>it was so beautiful and we just both said hi Dad,

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<v Speaker 2>like we hear you, we see you, we feel you.

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<v Speaker 2>But I it Yeah, and everything, I mean nothing is

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<v Speaker 2>for no reason. All of every step along the way

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<v Speaker 2>is a part of the big picture. And my only

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<v Speaker 2>goal is to be you know, humble and aware enough

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<v Speaker 2>to just or just I think just mostly just be

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<v Speaker 2>aware of the importance of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh my god, that's so incredible. And for the

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<v Speaker 1>folks at home, I realized we've gotten no surprise. Whenever

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<v Speaker 1>I see it, I don't care if it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>year or ti.

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<v Speaker 2>We go so deep.

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<v Speaker 1>We just start immediately like how's your heart? But for

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<v Speaker 1>the for our friends at home, who you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>one million streamers and networks and things and whatever. If

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<v Speaker 1>someone hasn't seen the show, can you tell them about it?

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<v Speaker 1>And like, give us the lay of the land. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm realizing I'm not doing my job and like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's give me the project details. So I want to

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<v Speaker 1>do it before we keep leaning into the surround the

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<v Speaker 1>surrounding life.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, Yes, sweet Mindalia is. It's on Netflix. It's

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<v Speaker 2>based on three best childhood best friends. They're like sisters

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<v Speaker 2>chosen family, and it's really about life. It's small towns.

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<v Speaker 2>Small towns is called serenity. My husband leaves me for

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<v Speaker 2>a much younger woman in episode one and you find

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<v Speaker 2>out she's ultimately pregnant, and we go through this divorce,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's this whole resurgence of you know, me finding

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<v Speaker 2>love again and all of us just sort of navigating.

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<v Speaker 2>There's you know, we deal with all different real life issues,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, substance abuse and infidel and death and financial difficulties,

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<v Speaker 2>job opportunities. It's really just a slice of life and

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<v Speaker 2>about how you can be there for one another and

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<v Speaker 2>really support each other. And it you know, there is

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<v Speaker 2>an incredible amount of uh, you know, empathy and compassion

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<v Speaker 2>and and you know, we don't shy away from dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with the harder things, but we are always kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the unity and coming together and that sense of community

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<v Speaker 2>is always something that is really what I think is

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<v Speaker 2>a constant theme. And I work with amazing, amazing writers

0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:43.480
<v Speaker 2>and an incredible crew that has been with us since

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning most most like the majority of our crew

0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:49.800
<v Speaker 2>has been with us since the beginning. And and Heather

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<v Speaker 2>Hedley and Brooke Elliott play my best friends and they

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<v Speaker 2>are just so special to me. So it's really special.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a sweet shoe and it's one that I'm really

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<v Speaker 2>really proud of and like you said, I meet people

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<v Speaker 2>every single day, you know, you got me through my divorce,

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<v Speaker 2>or I watched your show while I was in breast

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<v Speaker 2>cancer treatments, and you know it, I do. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>a great honor and I feel like I have just

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<v Speaker 2>it does matter to me. It's funny so many people

0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:22.760
<v Speaker 2>would be like it it bother you. Was at my

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<v Speaker 2>daughter's cheer competition this weekend and one of the women

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<v Speaker 2>was like, does it annoy you that people you know

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<v Speaker 2>talk to you? I said, no, I'm like, I get

0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:33.720
<v Speaker 2>it's an honor. It really is to just be able

0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:35.800
<v Speaker 2>to say thank you so much for watching this, but

0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:39.879
<v Speaker 2>also for sharing that piece of yourself. You know that

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm grateful that I have been able to be

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<v Speaker 2>a part of some difficult journeys and help, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>walk that by the side totally.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's so special and I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>having people who can help you make sense of your

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<v Speaker 1>experiences whatever they're about, right, like if it's a big

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<v Speaker 1>life change or if it's great you dealing with the

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<v Speaker 1>loss of your parents. I mean, I think about the

0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:07.800
<v Speaker 1>community that I've had around me in the last couple

0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:11.000
<v Speaker 1>of years when like, there's nothing quite so arresting as

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<v Speaker 1>being like, oh, I've built I've built the life. I like,

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<v Speaker 1>I made the list, I did the things everyone says,

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<v Speaker 1>I did the manifestation stuff. I checked off all the boxes.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like someone pulls the floor out from under

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<v Speaker 1>you and you're like, oh, none of it's real. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god. Like when you start to sort of

0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:36.879
<v Speaker 1>see things rather than like try to make them work,

0:24:38.119 --> 0:24:43.320
<v Speaker 1>it's so arresting. And to have people go through it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to watch people. Sometimes it's your friends on

0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:49.760
<v Speaker 1>a show, or it's strangers on the show, or someone

0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:52.320
<v Speaker 1>who writes a book or an article or whatever, and

0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:56.600
<v Speaker 1>it simply by being familiar, it makes you feel less alone.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is something I think is so special about

0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:02.840
<v Speaker 1>your show. It gives me the same nostalgia that like

0:25:02.920 --> 0:25:07.040
<v Speaker 1>my first show, I've now learned weirdly, like, as I've

0:25:07.119 --> 0:25:09.240
<v Speaker 1>gotten to understand it through the fans and then gone

0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:11.280
<v Speaker 1>back and rewatched it, I'm like, oh my god, I

0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:11.880
<v Speaker 1>get it now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't get it when I was making it, because

0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:15.840
<v Speaker 1>when I was making it, I was like doing script

0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:19.399
<v Speaker 1>breakdowns and you know, figuring out how to stay in

0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:22.439
<v Speaker 1>the two shot correctly, but totally like a viewer, I

0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:26.200
<v Speaker 1>get it, and it is something I think is so special.

0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:30.480
<v Speaker 2>It is it really really is. It's a great, great

0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:36.360
<v Speaker 2>gift and an honor. Do you feel like, I don't

0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:39.600
<v Speaker 2>know why I'm hearing to say this out loud, but

0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:42.600
<v Speaker 2>just and this is something that I think that is

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<v Speaker 2>so special about you? And even just my husband having

0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:47.520
<v Speaker 2>just briefly met you, he was like, she's such a

0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:55.280
<v Speaker 2>like real human and powerful human and you're so special.

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<v Speaker 2>And then do you feel like when you're like, I

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<v Speaker 2>had all this list, these boxes, I checked them all off,

0:26:02.080 --> 0:26:04.040
<v Speaker 2>did it? Did it? And it may have not been

0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:07.480
<v Speaker 2>consistent with what your ultimate destination was, but did it

0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:13.359
<v Speaker 2>make you feel really powerful and like key meal and strong? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>No, So what I think I had to realize is

0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:21.080
<v Speaker 1>that much like and I know this isn't unique to me.

0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:23.879
<v Speaker 1>I know we all do this, and particularly when you

0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:28.040
<v Speaker 1>receive so much pushback for the quote specialness of your career,

0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:30.960
<v Speaker 1>people are like, it's not special at all, And you know,

0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:33.240
<v Speaker 1>whether they're calling us the Hollywood elite, where I'm like,

0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:36.600
<v Speaker 1>do y' all know how unions work and it's not

0:26:36.640 --> 0:26:39.800
<v Speaker 1>what you think it is? Or you know, they're they're saying,

0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:44.479
<v Speaker 1>like whatever horrible thing they're saying. What I realized is

0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:51.399
<v Speaker 1>the hyper sensitivity and the loneliness and the scars from

0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:53.720
<v Speaker 1>like my own bullying and othering and whatever as a

0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:57.480
<v Speaker 1>kid that I carried put me in a position of

0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:02.720
<v Speaker 1>being so self deprecating that I actually re my quote specialness.

0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I even have.

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:06.639
<v Speaker 1>To like say quote specialness. I'm realizing I'm doing it

0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:08.280
<v Speaker 1>in real time, Like this would be like why are

0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:08.600
<v Speaker 1>you doing that?

0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 2>Why are you doing that? Don't do that?

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:15.400
<v Speaker 1>And so what I think it did was it made

0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:17.520
<v Speaker 1>me say, oh, if this, if this is like the

0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:20.440
<v Speaker 1>frequency I vibrate at, it makes people uncomfortable, so I'm

0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:21.600
<v Speaker 1>going to need to be here.

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:27.119
<v Speaker 1>I got so accustomed to dimming myself that I didn't

0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:29.760
<v Speaker 1>even realize it made me an easy mark for people

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:33.119
<v Speaker 1>who were like, oh, that's our way in, for someone

0:27:33.119 --> 0:27:35.320
<v Speaker 1>who could say like, oh, that's a way in where

0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:39.200
<v Speaker 1>then I can kind of I can. I can help

0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:43.879
<v Speaker 1>with the list, but I have I have an ulterior motive. Yeah,

0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:50.840
<v Speaker 1>And the gift of the grief is that I finally

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:54.399
<v Speaker 1>tore up the list. Yeah, and it was like just

0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:57.679
<v Speaker 1>like your phone and your coworker's phone for no good reason,

0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:00.800
<v Speaker 1>in that exact moment, in real time, not like three

0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:04.480
<v Speaker 1>weeks later, in that moment said here's a sign. It

0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:07.320
<v Speaker 1>was like the moment I ripped it up, I was

0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:11.840
<v Speaker 1>suddenly surrounded by people ripping theirs up too. Yeah, and

0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:15.560
<v Speaker 1>it absolutely saved my life.

0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:17.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah.

0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:19.880
<v Speaker 1>And I think when you can get on the other

0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:22.840
<v Speaker 1>side of something and say like, oh, I'm actually grateful

0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:26.800
<v Speaker 1>for even what was bad, Yeah, because it gave me

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:27.640
<v Speaker 1>the future good.

0:28:28.040 --> 0:28:32.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's yeah, that's the thing that it's like, it

0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:38.080
<v Speaker 2>was all part of the journey, but god it is. Yeah.

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:41.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean you have to have gratitude for every all

0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:46.960
<v Speaker 2>the steps you have to because and also a commitment

0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 2>to just staying awake and aware. I think that's the thing,

0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 2>is that you can have the twenty twenty, have the

0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:58.520
<v Speaker 2>gratitude for all of that, and also the forgiveness. I

0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:01.720
<v Speaker 2>feel like I really struggle with that with I hold

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:05.600
<v Speaker 2>onto these things that I are just such a waste

0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:10.640
<v Speaker 2>of time. I'm tough on myself, and I think as

0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:15.000
<v Speaker 2>of late I've been like, just speak easy on yourself.

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:18.959
<v Speaker 2>You know. I hold myself so deeply accountable that I

0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 2>would never do that to my husband or my or

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:25.120
<v Speaker 2>my best friends. I would be like, give yourself a break,

0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:29.080
<v Speaker 2>and I don't. I don't do that well enough. That's

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:33.440
<v Speaker 2>I think, something that is in the present.

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:37.160
<v Speaker 1>Happening for me right now and now for our sponsors.

0:29:42.160 --> 0:29:43.960
<v Speaker 1>I used to sort of I used to say this thing,

0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:46.080
<v Speaker 1>and then I realized I was wearing it as almost

0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:49.000
<v Speaker 1>a badge of honor. That was so sad. I'd say, well,

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 1>nobody's meaner to me than me. Oh, so it was like, oh,

0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:57.880
<v Speaker 1>internet trolls, you think daari, I tap you. I trust me,

0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Like this is child's play, honey. And then eventually I

0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:05.240
<v Speaker 1>was like, wait, but why, Yeah, but why I And

0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:08.920
<v Speaker 1>my word of the Year for twenty twenty four was gentleness.

0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I have to find a gentleness, a tenderness.

0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:16.880
<v Speaker 1>I have to I have to be willing to hold

0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:19.720
<v Speaker 1>myself the way I hold other people, whether they're my

0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 1>best friends or someone I've barely known. And it really

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 1>has helped me make such a shift, and in a

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:33.360
<v Speaker 1>weird way, it's made me a more hopeful person. Like

0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:36.080
<v Speaker 1>it's made me understand the stories of people that I'm

0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:39.040
<v Speaker 1>close to. You know that I might relate to like

0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:42.480
<v Speaker 1>there's a reasurns out. There's a reason I related to

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:46.320
<v Speaker 1>love Warrior and then untamed so much. And then there's

0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:49.680
<v Speaker 1>a reason that you know people I've known in this sphere.

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:52.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, some of my best friends who've been with

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 1>their person since college, or some of the folks out

0:30:56.640 --> 0:30:58.920
<v Speaker 1>in our world who have always been like a safe

0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:02.520
<v Speaker 1>place to land for me, like you where I'll watch

0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 1>what your family's doing, and I'm like, I love that

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 1>I know people where it's worked for so long, because

0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:10.960
<v Speaker 1>that gives me hope, Like we talk about the next

0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:13.960
<v Speaker 1>twenty years of our careers. When I look at certain

0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:17.240
<v Speaker 1>stories like yours, or the sweetness of a family like

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 1>yours or some of my other friends, I get to

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 1>go like that feels fun for the next twenty years. Yeah,

0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:26.560
<v Speaker 1>like ah, And I know people I can ask questions

0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:31.200
<v Speaker 1>too about like when it worked, when they knew all

0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:33.960
<v Speaker 1>the things. I don't know most people who met their

0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 1>person when we were like, you know, younger, all babies.

0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:40.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean you guys, we were thirty working on Gossip Girl.

0:31:40.200 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yes, Like it's such a time in my.

0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:46.719
<v Speaker 1>Brain, you know, wild, and it's so I don't know,

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:49.320
<v Speaker 1>it's so cool I'm like, oh man, it's nice to

0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of see that. No matter what, whether you've had

0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:55.160
<v Speaker 1>certain things figured out for a long time or you're

0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:59.280
<v Speaker 1>just figuring them out now, you've got people to lean

0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:02.240
<v Speaker 1>on who've been in their own parts of that journey.

0:32:02.240 --> 0:32:06.680
<v Speaker 1>It's never too late ever and for anything, Yeah, for anything.

0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:09.680
<v Speaker 1>And also there's a million people who've done this before you,

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:11.400
<v Speaker 1>so you have you have people to lean on.

0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 2>I just told my friend this who just had a

0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:17.360
<v Speaker 2>baby a couple days ago. I said, I promise you

0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:19.800
<v Speaker 2>my kids may have not gone through it, but someone

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 2>I know has, so just holler. You know, I'd be like, oh,

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:25.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't know about that diaper rash, but let me like,

0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:27.880
<v Speaker 2>let me, let's take a picture of it. I think

0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:29.960
<v Speaker 2>I have a mom friend that you know, it's that

0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of connectivity. But also talking about relationships and sharing

0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:38.160
<v Speaker 2>the realities of like marriage and that type of partnerships

0:32:38.200 --> 0:32:41.239
<v Speaker 2>and the highs and the lows and you know the

0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:44.680
<v Speaker 2>truth to that. I think that's also really important because

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, your word was gentleness for twenty twenty four,

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:53.680
<v Speaker 2>mine was clarity. I experienced. It's just like there was

0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:56.360
<v Speaker 2>a relationship in my life that was starting to feel

0:32:57.200 --> 0:32:59.080
<v Speaker 2>I was a friendship and it just was starting to

0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:02.600
<v Speaker 2>feel mess See, it was starting to feel blurry, and

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:05.520
<v Speaker 2>I hadn't had that in a really long time, and

0:33:07.480 --> 0:33:11.239
<v Speaker 2>I just really needed that sense of clarity. And for me,

0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 2>it was all just about authenticity. And my husband and

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:16.000
<v Speaker 2>I talk about it all the time. I'm like, you

0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 2>could be whoever you want to be, good, bad, ugly, honestly,

0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Well it's irrelevant, but just show me who you are

0:33:25.560 --> 0:33:28.000
<v Speaker 2>so I know what I'm working with, you know whether

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 2>and and I don't. The smoke and mirrors was just

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 2>a really uneasy place for me and just not living

0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:40.440
<v Speaker 2>that truth and authenticity and so clarity for me was

0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:45.280
<v Speaker 2>my big thing where I was like, let's put things

0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:47.240
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more in focus. Things felt a little

0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:51.040
<v Speaker 2>bit blurry for me. But I do think that you know,

0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:56.800
<v Speaker 2>I've been with Nick fifteen years. Yeah, and we've had

0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:05.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot happen. I mean, credible highs, professionally, personally, desperate lows,

0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:11.320
<v Speaker 2>deep loss, not understanding each other in those moments, grieving differently,

0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, him retiring, and how we related to each other,

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:19.320
<v Speaker 2>him being a thirty five year old man that was

0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:22.200
<v Speaker 2>used to trotting out on a field one hundred and

0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 2>sixty two games a year to great fanfare, and all

0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:28.840
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, it's like, are you gonna make that lunch?

0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:32.879
<v Speaker 2>The girls? Lunches need to be made? Can you feed

0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 2>the dogs? Like not that he didn't do that before,

0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:37.440
<v Speaker 2>but it felt like that was sort of it was

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:40.360
<v Speaker 2>a huge rock for us, like it rocked us. It

0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:43.959
<v Speaker 2>rocked him and rocked you know. And so I think

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:47.360
<v Speaker 2>just there is such a beauty to be able to

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:53.880
<v Speaker 2>connect authentic, authentically and work with that deep truth and

0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:58.439
<v Speaker 2>just real and be raw and real and like doing

0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:02.600
<v Speaker 2>it together and learning from one another, you know, because

0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:07.720
<v Speaker 2>not one person can fill all all the holes. I'm

0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:11.440
<v Speaker 2>married to like four people, my girlfriends, you know, like yeah,

0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:14.319
<v Speaker 2>my career in some ways, I'm married to Nack, like

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:16.560
<v Speaker 2>I've like in a lot of ways, I have this

0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:20.680
<v Speaker 2>like deep genuine commitment to so many things in my life.

0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:25.160
<v Speaker 2>And so it is it is nice to be able

0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:28.440
<v Speaker 2>to just that's what like doing life together is, And

0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:31.040
<v Speaker 2>that's what I want my children to see. I want

0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:34.200
<v Speaker 2>them to have those people in their lives that they

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:37.239
<v Speaker 2>feel safe with, that can that they've seen live and

0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:39.080
<v Speaker 2>walk the walk and do all of those things and

0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:42.239
<v Speaker 2>be able to connect with and learn from and you know,

0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:44.919
<v Speaker 2>not be everything for all of you. Know I don't.

0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:46.800
<v Speaker 2>I can't be everything for them.

0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Of course, it's really interesting. It kind of hits me

0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:53.359
<v Speaker 1>as you're talking about this because fifteen years for you

0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:57.040
<v Speaker 1>guys together is it's such an enormous chunk of life, right,

0:35:57.120 --> 0:35:59.400
<v Speaker 1>and as you said, you've seen each other through so

0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:03.439
<v Speaker 1>many things. Hillary and I talk about this a lot.

0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:06.479
<v Speaker 1>I mean, all of us, you know from our first

0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:09.480
<v Speaker 1>show do, but particularly she and I will talk a

0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:13.120
<v Speaker 1>lot about how we had all these hunches as young people,

0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:14.640
<v Speaker 1>and some of them were right and some of them

0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:16.719
<v Speaker 1>are wrong, and you know, thank god we've all been

0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:21.000
<v Speaker 1>able to grow up together. But part of my brain

0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:24.000
<v Speaker 1>in hearing you talk about your marriage and all these

0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:26.960
<v Speaker 1>life stages and parenting and all these life stages and

0:36:27.320 --> 0:36:29.440
<v Speaker 1>the sort of stages of career is I'm like, oh

0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:34.040
<v Speaker 1>my god, do you think part of the reason that

0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:38.919
<v Speaker 1>you've been so wise in terms of how to ride

0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:44.840
<v Speaker 1>those waves and what a life looks like is because you,

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:46.960
<v Speaker 1>like you kind of instead of growing up just with

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:49.759
<v Speaker 1>your peers, right, like we were essentially teenagers on a

0:36:49.760 --> 0:36:53.040
<v Speaker 1>team TV shower like you also grew.

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:54.359
<v Speaker 2>Up with Reba.

0:36:54.560 --> 0:37:00.080
<v Speaker 1>You grew up with an intergenerational mentor you know, this

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:02.920
<v Speaker 1>powerful woman who was older and wiser and had been

0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:05.319
<v Speaker 1>through all the things, and talk about somebody who knows

0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:07.120
<v Speaker 1>how to navigate, you know, a big life and a

0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:10.680
<v Speaker 1>public life as a mom. Now do you kind of

0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:13.839
<v Speaker 1>look back on her playing your TV mom and go,

0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:16.440
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, she taught me so much that I

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:19.200
<v Speaker 1>didn't even realize at the time, or did you realize it?

0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:22.200
<v Speaker 2>I realized it. Yeah, okay. And by the way, I

0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:24.080
<v Speaker 2>don't know, because you would have to ask her too, Chris,

0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:28.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure. And there was there was times where, you know,

0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:31.080
<v Speaker 2>I was a kid on you know, her show, like

0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Steve and I were just bumbling around like Ding Dong's

0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:37.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, and every and and Chris Rich the

0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:39.759
<v Speaker 2>guy that plays the man that played my dad on

0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:43.520
<v Speaker 2>the show, and wilst petermant too, like they they just

0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:48.799
<v Speaker 2>always reminded us of how special like the opportunity was

0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:51.200
<v Speaker 2>because we were this was our first show, and you know,

0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:53.400
<v Speaker 2>He's like, this doesn't come around very often, so just

0:37:53.440 --> 0:37:57.719
<v Speaker 2>remember that. But Reva, to this day, I mean, we

0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:02.120
<v Speaker 2>are so interconnected and we are constant communication all of

0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:03.840
<v Speaker 2>us that we have your little group chat and we

0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:07.240
<v Speaker 2>talk all the time, and we you know in many ways,

0:38:07.280 --> 0:38:09.120
<v Speaker 2>like I know when I send them a picture of

0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:16.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm anna cry saying this, but I know that when

0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:18.080
<v Speaker 2>I send them like the picture of my kid at

0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:21.520
<v Speaker 2>the cheer competition, and they're really excited to get it. Yeah,

0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:26.760
<v Speaker 2>and that is having lost two people that are really

0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:29.400
<v Speaker 2>excited to get those things, like the parents, the grandparents.

0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:33.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, it's really special to have that. And

0:38:34.320 --> 0:38:39.400
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe I'm crying. It's okay, but yeah, Like

0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 2>and Riba talk about authenticity, like never there is no

0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:52.359
<v Speaker 2>heir to her, no pretense, there's no a superstar, even

0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:58.080
<v Speaker 2>though she's so undeniably a superstar, she has lived her

0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:04.719
<v Speaker 2>life with such honesty and absolutely and I'm sure that

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:07.239
<v Speaker 2>there were times where I know there were times you know,

0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:11.360
<v Speaker 2>a soul crush, soul crushing grief and you know, loss

0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:16.200
<v Speaker 2>of things, and but she's so she is so hopeful,

0:39:16.239 --> 0:39:21.160
<v Speaker 2>like watching her fall in love again with Rex, and uh,

0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:25.560
<v Speaker 2>like a kid, like a schoolgirl. You know, it's like

0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:30.040
<v Speaker 2>to be able to look back on your life and

0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:32.279
<v Speaker 2>and just say, you know, no matter what life threw

0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:35.520
<v Speaker 2>at me. I kind of grabbed it by the horns

0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:39.560
<v Speaker 2>and made the best of it and also remained like

0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:44.840
<v Speaker 2>excited and exuberant and joyful. And so did she teach

0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:47.359
<v Speaker 2>me what it was what it meant to be a

0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:50.799
<v Speaker 2>graceful leading lady and a powerful business woman who knew

0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:59.000
<v Speaker 2>her worth and a kind icon, yes, and spades. But

0:39:59.120 --> 0:40:02.480
<v Speaker 2>what also I thought was so special is so special

0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:07.040
<v Speaker 2>about hers that she's just so darn feel and humble

0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:11.400
<v Speaker 2>and and good. And she walked as a bridesmaid in

0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:12.000
<v Speaker 2>my wedding.

0:40:13.120 --> 0:40:17.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'll ask you about that, come on, Yeah,

0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:21.480
<v Speaker 1>you know cool, yeah, so cool.

0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:22.520
<v Speaker 2>Very special.

0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:29.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, because you've had such an amazing career, do

0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:34.279
<v Speaker 1>you think having mentors like hers and the community that

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:36.759
<v Speaker 1>you have has that kind of helped you navigate how

0:40:36.800 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 1>to do this stuff, how to be in this for

0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:41.719
<v Speaker 1>the long haul.

0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I feel really lucky, Like looking at the people

0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:49.440
<v Speaker 2>that I've come across and the people like that have

0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:52.880
<v Speaker 2>been a part of my team, like my my people there,

0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:56.520
<v Speaker 2>my family, and and so I feel like I have

0:40:56.640 --> 0:41:01.360
<v Speaker 2>been you know, on Riva when we started that, oh,

0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:04.440
<v Speaker 2>it was really popular to be like super skinny, and

0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:06.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, all of these things and I remember our

0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:09.560
<v Speaker 2>producers were like you. They said to me, there, Joey,

0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:12.440
<v Speaker 2>you were so beautiful. They were like, please, don't change

0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:15.040
<v Speaker 2>the only thing they asked that Steve and I didn't

0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:20.439
<v Speaker 2>have sex. They're like, it'll ruin everything, just don't hook

0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:23.200
<v Speaker 2>up love. I was like, okay.

0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:27.120
<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, we had producers begging everyone to fall in love

0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:29.040
<v Speaker 1>with each other so that no one would ever want

0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:30.880
<v Speaker 1>to leave the show or ask for our raise, and

0:41:30.920 --> 0:41:32.640
<v Speaker 1>our producers were trying to sleep with us at the

0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:34.480
<v Speaker 1>same time. What a fun zone.

0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:38.680
<v Speaker 2>That would have been something to navigate some toxicrabbing bulls

0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:39.360
<v Speaker 2>by the horns.

0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:43.000
<v Speaker 1>No, so toxic and by the way, like how I

0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:47.360
<v Speaker 1>wish we had been protected by like shooting on the

0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Warner Brothers line. I know, being isolated because for us,

0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:53.520
<v Speaker 1>And again I feel like she's coming up for me

0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:56.040
<v Speaker 1>so much. She's she's my Reba. Hillary and I talk

0:41:56.040 --> 0:41:57.839
<v Speaker 1>about this all the time because she left the show

0:41:57.920 --> 0:41:59.759
<v Speaker 1>first and when she went to work on White Collar

0:41:59.840 --> 0:42:03.080
<v Speaker 1>shell me and she was like, girl, it is so different,

0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:07.120
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm freaking out. And I was like, I'm trying

0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:09.560
<v Speaker 1>to make it different here and like I'm being told

0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:14.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm difficult. Yes, because I'm being like, don't touch the

0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:17.400
<v Speaker 1>girls at work, boss man, Like it was so wild

0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:19.960
<v Speaker 1>and it really was such a lifeline for me to

0:42:20.160 --> 0:42:24.200
<v Speaker 1>hear than in other places it was going differently. Yeah,

0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:29.080
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, I don't know, I love I love

0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:31.680
<v Speaker 1>hearing stories like the one you're telling that you had

0:42:31.760 --> 0:42:35.560
<v Speaker 1>such good, protective bosses who mentored you instead of trying

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:39.200
<v Speaker 1>to take advantage of you. Like more of that, please?

0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Good God?

0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:42.640
<v Speaker 2>I know. But don't you feel now that you've gone

0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:47.239
<v Speaker 2>on to lead other shows that you can bring that goodness? Oh? Yeah,

0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:49.279
<v Speaker 2>because I do feel a sense of a huge sense

0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:53.399
<v Speaker 2>of responsibility to move forward and like where where I

0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:56.279
<v Speaker 2>have been given the opportunity to set the tone and

0:42:56.440 --> 0:43:01.200
<v Speaker 2>sort of, you know, help create a culture that it's

0:43:01.239 --> 0:43:05.040
<v Speaker 2>like for me, I was able to bring what I

0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:09.080
<v Speaker 2>saw this extraordinary woman and what she's capable of doing

0:43:09.120 --> 0:43:12.319
<v Speaker 2>and what she does just so effortlessly. I was able

0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:15.799
<v Speaker 2>to bring all of that to my jobs and still

0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:17.960
<v Speaker 2>do to this day. I mean, oftentimes I'll be like

0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:21.399
<v Speaker 2>Ria McIntyre doesn't even do stuff like that. In my head,

0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:23.959
<v Speaker 2>I'll be like, you know, like, yes, you can't act

0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:24.680
<v Speaker 2>like that, you.

0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:28.320
<v Speaker 3>Know, don't tell me you've earned that, Like this woman

0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:32.520
<v Speaker 3>has earned all of it and she literally will you know,

0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:35.799
<v Speaker 3>help hold your hair if you got a puke, you know.

0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 3>And so but but I definitely think that that is

0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:41.719
<v Speaker 3>a little part of the healing process and a.

0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:45.239
<v Speaker 2>Part of you know, you get to you get to

0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:49.839
<v Speaker 2>and you'll see that. I think in parenting too, if

0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:53.120
<v Speaker 2>that's like part of your journey, you'll you do get

0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:55.920
<v Speaker 2>to just be like, you know what, I kind of

0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:58.680
<v Speaker 2>sorted through all that crap, so you don't you don't

0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:00.400
<v Speaker 2>have to like let me just like put it in

0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:04.640
<v Speaker 2>a different light for you and let me just kind

0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:09.000
<v Speaker 2>of make that better for you and in a beautiful way.

0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think when those things get mirrored back

0:44:11.719 --> 0:44:14.960
<v Speaker 1>to you, you know, with your family and your workplace,

0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:17.759
<v Speaker 1>one of the things that I will carry with me forever.

0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:20.520
<v Speaker 1>You know. I got to be in every leadership role,

0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:22.520
<v Speaker 1>all of them at the same time on my last

0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:26.719
<v Speaker 1>CBS show, and you know, to lead a big network show,

0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:28.799
<v Speaker 1>you know how it is, it's like it's a lot

0:44:28.880 --> 0:44:32.320
<v Speaker 1>big deal and it's wild and it's an honor and

0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:34.920
<v Speaker 1>it's a lot of pressure. And one of the best

0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:37.200
<v Speaker 1>days I had on set when we were juggling a

0:44:37.239 --> 0:44:41.560
<v Speaker 1>bajillion things, and you know, on hour sixteen, Sweet Jordan,

0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:45.800
<v Speaker 1>my prop guy sidles up next to me and he goes,

0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:50.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, to work on a set like this run

0:44:50.160 --> 0:44:53.480
<v Speaker 1>by all of you women, He said, I see how

0:44:53.480 --> 0:44:56.239
<v Speaker 1>different it is for all of you, And it just

0:44:56.320 --> 0:44:58.480
<v Speaker 1>dawned on me. It's been a couple episodes, and I

0:44:58.480 --> 0:45:00.160
<v Speaker 1>don't think I've told you how different it is for

0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:05.200
<v Speaker 1>me too. Having you ladies in charge makes my life better, Aimen,

0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:06.520
<v Speaker 1>And I was.

0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:11.080
<v Speaker 2>Like, Jordan, You're like, darn right, that's it.

0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:12.680
<v Speaker 1>And it was so cool, and it was one of

0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:15.239
<v Speaker 1>those moments where you go like, oh yeah, when we

0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:18.839
<v Speaker 1>when we make sure we're taking care of everybody who's

0:45:18.880 --> 0:45:22.399
<v Speaker 1>not normally taken care of, everybody just gets taken care

0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:24.200
<v Speaker 1>of better, even the people who are used to kind

0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:26.319
<v Speaker 1>of being at the top of the pyramid. That I

0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:28.680
<v Speaker 1>think is so special. And the idea that you got

0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:30.960
<v Speaker 1>to watch Riba do that and that you learn to

0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:32.279
<v Speaker 1>do that, and that you get to do that on

0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:33.959
<v Speaker 1>your set and you get to do that as a mom.

0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:38.720
<v Speaker 1>What an amazing sort of three hundred and sixty degree

0:45:38.840 --> 0:45:42.879
<v Speaker 1>view on your whole life, Like you said, on all

0:45:42.920 --> 0:45:45.399
<v Speaker 1>of your marriages. You know, you're married doing a mom

0:45:45.440 --> 0:45:47.799
<v Speaker 1>you're married to your actual husband. Hei nik, you're great,

0:45:48.080 --> 0:45:50.680
<v Speaker 1>you're married your career, you're married to like your mission

0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:55.520
<v Speaker 1>and your purpose. And they all are in this like flow.

0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:59.399
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, they are, and even and then when one

0:45:59.520 --> 0:46:03.200
<v Speaker 2>sort of like kitchen, you know, yeah, like you're like, okay,

0:46:03.239 --> 0:46:05.799
<v Speaker 2>hold on, I gotta I gotta kind of like address that,

0:46:05.920 --> 0:46:07.760
<v Speaker 2>and they're all the other ones are kind of flowing,

0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:09.160
<v Speaker 2>and it's like it is a little bit of a

0:46:09.200 --> 0:46:13.720
<v Speaker 2>symphony of just this. You know, it's all about healing.

0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:15.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's what we're here to do, to hear

0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:20.319
<v Speaker 2>and to heal, to learn, to grow, to connect to

0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:27.960
<v Speaker 2>like just you know, experience this classroom together and and

0:46:28.040 --> 0:46:30.319
<v Speaker 2>if we can do that with as much kindness and

0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:34.680
<v Speaker 2>patience as possible. And that's also something that is not

0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:36.920
<v Speaker 2>like ingrained in me as patients. I'm just kind of

0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:39.919
<v Speaker 2>like a h and I feel like I sometimes missed

0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:42.840
<v Speaker 2>the like the details of the plot, and I'm like, dang,

0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:45.640
<v Speaker 2>that was really cool. And I just didn't even really

0:46:45.680 --> 0:46:48.040
<v Speaker 2>acknowledge it in the moment because I was impatient in

0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:55.080
<v Speaker 2>that moment. But I definitely feel like it's I think

0:46:55.120 --> 0:47:00.959
<v Speaker 2>it's all I care to kind of be into right now.

0:47:02.440 --> 0:47:04.840
<v Speaker 1>I love that is that it feels kind of like

0:47:04.880 --> 0:47:05.560
<v Speaker 1>a deep breath.

0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it does. And it's been this year. I write

0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:15.200
<v Speaker 2>in my newsletter for the Happy Place every month, but

0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:18.800
<v Speaker 2>this year especially, I looked back on my last year

0:47:19.800 --> 0:47:24.880
<v Speaker 2>and wow, my headspace was different. I was really depleted.

0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:30.839
<v Speaker 2>I was really I think I actually wrote like, not

0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:32.759
<v Speaker 2>is it the new year yet? Like it took me

0:47:32.840 --> 0:47:35.400
<v Speaker 2>a good two weeks to even be like, whoa, Okay,

0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:38.279
<v Speaker 2>we're in twenty twenty four. This year, I was like,

0:47:38.400 --> 0:47:41.480
<v Speaker 2>let's go, let's go. And I had the flu. I

0:47:41.520 --> 0:47:43.200
<v Speaker 2>got I started the year with the flu, and I

0:47:43.239 --> 0:47:45.680
<v Speaker 2>was like, let's do this. I'm like, we're not We're

0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:49.319
<v Speaker 2>we're not in indulging this, like we're moving forward, We're

0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:55.600
<v Speaker 2>getting through this. Like it just my sense of my

0:47:55.600 --> 0:47:59.080
<v Speaker 2>my bandwidth had sort of expanded. I wasn't as depleted.

0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:00.680
<v Speaker 2>And I think a lot about obviously had to do

0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:02.279
<v Speaker 2>with grief, but a lot of it had to do

0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:06.040
<v Speaker 2>with a lot of hard work and realization and forgiveness

0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:11.640
<v Speaker 2>and reflection that I did last year, and this year

0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:12.879
<v Speaker 2>I felt more full.

0:48:13.680 --> 0:48:15.680
<v Speaker 1>We'll be back in just a minute. After a few

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0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:27.200
<v Speaker 1>up the happy Place because it's the sort of thing

0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:29.880
<v Speaker 1>that just brings me joy. I've talked to people, you know,

0:48:29.880 --> 0:48:31.880
<v Speaker 1>people will say, like, what's something people don't know about you?

0:48:32.440 --> 0:48:35.520
<v Speaker 1>I unwind, especially when we're doing splits, which for our

0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:37.800
<v Speaker 1>friends out were like, you know, when you work from

0:48:38.239 --> 0:48:41.520
<v Speaker 1>noon to three in the morning on set, I'll get

0:48:41.520 --> 0:48:44.239
<v Speaker 1>home and I unwind by like picking a place on

0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:47.120
<v Speaker 1>a map and then designing like a fictitious house there

0:48:47.120 --> 0:48:50.080
<v Speaker 1>on Pinterest. I'm just like, I'm going to build a

0:48:50.120 --> 0:48:53.400
<v Speaker 1>house in Albuquerque reminiscent of Georgia o'keef's ghost Ranch, like

0:48:53.600 --> 0:48:55.240
<v Speaker 1>totally weird, totally nerdy.

0:48:55.600 --> 0:48:57.879
<v Speaker 2>You and I could go down rabbit holes to year Like.

0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:00.399
<v Speaker 1>I actually can't wait. I'm like, we need a side text.

0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:02.000
<v Speaker 2>So I was like, can we go on a girl's

0:49:02.080 --> 0:49:05.160
<v Speaker 2>trip and just do this together. Let's go. Literally, nothing

0:49:05.160 --> 0:49:07.560
<v Speaker 2>would bring me more joy. I'm not even bringing my phone.

0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:09.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be like, I am unavailable. We have work

0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:09.920
<v Speaker 2>to do.

0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:13.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we'll bring like point and shoot cameras. And your

0:49:14.160 --> 0:49:18.160
<v Speaker 1>your lifestyle site makes me so happy because it focuses

0:49:18.200 --> 0:49:20.920
<v Speaker 1>on things that bring me pure creative joy. You know,

0:49:20.960 --> 0:49:23.440
<v Speaker 1>you look at home design projects, you look at like

0:49:23.560 --> 0:49:26.520
<v Speaker 1>beautiful things to cook, you talk to really inspiring women,

0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:29.840
<v Speaker 1>and I love that instead of starting a bunch of

0:49:29.840 --> 0:49:32.200
<v Speaker 1>secret Pinterest boards, you actually made the space that other

0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:36.719
<v Speaker 1>people can enjoy. How how did you a carve out

0:49:36.719 --> 0:49:39.200
<v Speaker 1>the time be decide that you were really going to

0:49:39.600 --> 0:49:43.759
<v Speaker 1>invest the resource of your time and energy into this?

0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Is it? Is it pure passion project that lets you

0:49:47.719 --> 0:49:48.719
<v Speaker 1>just feel creative?

0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:51.319
<v Speaker 2>Like? How does it?

0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:52.240
<v Speaker 1>How does it work?

0:49:52.480 --> 0:49:54.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So it started as that. I mean, I think

0:49:54.800 --> 0:49:56.560
<v Speaker 2>that it was sort of a part of me that

0:49:56.600 --> 0:49:58.719
<v Speaker 2>I didn't really share with many people. And it was like, Okay,

0:49:58.719 --> 0:50:00.399
<v Speaker 2>this is going to be super designed ba because that's

0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:03.760
<v Speaker 2>what I felt like I should do. But The Happy

0:50:03.760 --> 0:50:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Place has saved me in so many ways, so many

0:50:08.360 --> 0:50:14.839
<v Speaker 2>times because it has. It's almost just it's funny because

0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:17.120
<v Speaker 2>you go to my regular Instagram page and I don't

0:50:17.120 --> 0:50:19.319
<v Speaker 2>share nearly as much, like you really get to know

0:50:19.440 --> 0:50:21.719
<v Speaker 2>me on the Happy Place. You see a lot more

0:50:21.760 --> 0:50:23.680
<v Speaker 2>in my life, a lot more of my personality of

0:50:23.719 --> 0:50:30.360
<v Speaker 2>my family because it feels so authentic to my story

0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:33.960
<v Speaker 2>and it's like my diary. I cook I'm not a chef,

0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:39.520
<v Speaker 2>but I cook all the time. I love arts and crafts,

0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:42.919
<v Speaker 2>so I share them. I love great home design. I

0:50:42.960 --> 0:50:47.799
<v Speaker 2>love women and their stories, and I think women are

0:50:47.880 --> 0:50:50.799
<v Speaker 2>the superior beings, just period and point blank. It's the

0:50:51.000 --> 0:50:54.960
<v Speaker 2>late place to like write, and I love reading, so

0:50:55.040 --> 0:50:57.640
<v Speaker 2>I share. But you know what's funny is part of

0:50:57.719 --> 0:51:04.560
<v Speaker 2>last year for me was forgiving myself for being so

0:51:04.719 --> 0:51:06.560
<v Speaker 2>hard on myself because in a lot of ways I

0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:10.640
<v Speaker 2>didn't feel like it reflected what it should have reflected.

0:51:10.680 --> 0:51:12.880
<v Speaker 2>It was sort of like, I don't want to use

0:51:13.400 --> 0:51:18.279
<v Speaker 2>it just for me. I was like, I wanted to

0:51:18.320 --> 0:51:21.360
<v Speaker 2>just give myself the freedom to just be who I am.

0:51:21.840 --> 0:51:27.359
<v Speaker 2>Share the smutty romance novel that I it didn't have

0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:31.680
<v Speaker 2>to be a book that like blew your mind or

0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:36.640
<v Speaker 2>anything more than just I enjoyed it, and so I

0:51:37.360 --> 0:51:39.800
<v Speaker 2>was trying to I've been trying to give myself permission

0:51:39.840 --> 0:51:45.960
<v Speaker 2>to just be me, and in that I've shared my grief,

0:51:46.000 --> 0:51:49.359
<v Speaker 2>I've shared my anxiety, I've shared my fears, I've shared

0:51:49.400 --> 0:51:53.600
<v Speaker 2>my excitement. I've shared, you know, my smoothie recipes that

0:51:53.600 --> 0:51:56.400
<v Speaker 2>feel so trivial, but it's actually I'm excited to say like,

0:51:56.840 --> 0:51:59.680
<v Speaker 2>this isn't a culinary masterpiece, but this is how I'm

0:51:59.680 --> 0:52:02.520
<v Speaker 2>getting my protein this morning. And you know, I love

0:52:02.560 --> 0:52:04.520
<v Speaker 2>avocado toast right now, so we're going to talk about

0:52:04.560 --> 0:52:07.799
<v Speaker 2>avocado toast. And so I just it's just allowing me

0:52:07.880 --> 0:52:13.880
<v Speaker 2>to just be me and and the people the community

0:52:14.280 --> 0:52:18.960
<v Speaker 2>is so positive and so supportive and so lovely, and

0:52:19.600 --> 0:52:22.759
<v Speaker 2>I find that it's really attracted that same energy we

0:52:22.760 --> 0:52:25.799
<v Speaker 2>don't really have like those trolls, you know, and I don't.

0:52:25.840 --> 0:52:28.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm not welcoming them and they're not welcome because it's

0:52:28.760 --> 0:52:30.680
<v Speaker 2>really just not a space for it. It's like there's

0:52:30.719 --> 0:52:34.879
<v Speaker 2>just not it's not a controversial place. It's a place

0:52:34.920 --> 0:52:36.680
<v Speaker 2>that you can come to be real that you can

0:52:36.719 --> 0:52:40.640
<v Speaker 2>come to just just take a deep breath and have

0:52:40.680 --> 0:52:43.360
<v Speaker 2>a little quick recipe or a cocktail with me or

0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:47.200
<v Speaker 2>a coffee with me, or hear about that I'm really sad,

0:52:47.480 --> 0:52:52.360
<v Speaker 2>or that I'm you know, struggling with my morning routine

0:52:52.400 --> 0:52:54.880
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, let me just show you how it works,

0:52:54.960 --> 0:52:59.040
<v Speaker 2>or you know, it's it's not highly curated and perfect.

0:52:59.120 --> 0:53:02.239
<v Speaker 2>It's not. It's just authentic to who I am. And

0:53:02.280 --> 0:53:05.000
<v Speaker 2>it has it saved me in so many ways and

0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:07.200
<v Speaker 2>there are times where you can see I'm more inspired

0:53:07.239 --> 0:53:09.640
<v Speaker 2>than others. Oftentimes it's when I'm in Georgia by the water.

0:53:09.760 --> 0:53:11.879
<v Speaker 2>We have a lake house there and I just am

0:53:11.920 --> 0:53:18.040
<v Speaker 2>like overflowing with creativity there and that has been also

0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:20.719
<v Speaker 2>a learning lesson for me. So in many ways, it's

0:53:20.760 --> 0:53:23.680
<v Speaker 2>been like a reflection of what I need to hear,

0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:27.439
<v Speaker 2>what I need to know, and it's I think it's

0:53:27.480 --> 0:53:31.480
<v Speaker 2>the voice of what like I want to continue to

0:53:31.600 --> 0:53:32.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of explore.

0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:34.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love it.

0:53:34.600 --> 0:53:35.640
<v Speaker 2>That means a lot to me.

0:53:36.560 --> 0:53:39.040
<v Speaker 1>I love that in a space where you get to

0:53:39.080 --> 0:53:41.560
<v Speaker 1>be your full self. You know, it's really interesting. My

0:53:41.640 --> 0:53:44.200
<v Speaker 1>partner says this to me, like, even in all the

0:53:44.280 --> 0:53:48.960
<v Speaker 1>years we were friends, friendly acquaintances, you know, whatever you

0:53:49.000 --> 0:53:53.239
<v Speaker 1>want to call it, it's interesting when someone who knows

0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:55.440
<v Speaker 1>you so well goes God, I thought I knew you,

0:53:55.960 --> 0:53:58.719
<v Speaker 1>and then I realized there's so much more to you,

0:53:58.800 --> 0:54:02.480
<v Speaker 1>and we're all guilty of like the Internet has convinced

0:54:02.560 --> 0:54:05.880
<v Speaker 1>us that we really know everything about people. And you know,

0:54:06.120 --> 0:54:08.680
<v Speaker 1>she'll be like you are so weird and so funny,

0:54:09.040 --> 0:54:12.000
<v Speaker 1>and like you seem so serious on Instagram, and I'm like, well,

0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:14.480
<v Speaker 1>because that's where I'm trying to like share the news

0:54:14.520 --> 0:54:16.440
<v Speaker 1>to make sure people understand what's going on in the

0:54:16.440 --> 0:54:17.520
<v Speaker 1>world around them.

0:54:17.320 --> 0:54:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Like, and I don't know, I don't even really.

0:54:21.160 --> 0:54:23.080
<v Speaker 1>Know where I'm going with this. It's not necessarily a

0:54:23.120 --> 0:54:26.080
<v Speaker 1>fully formed thought. Things are just coming up as you're talking.

0:54:26.480 --> 0:54:30.040
<v Speaker 1>And I'm realizing, like part of me wants to hide

0:54:30.080 --> 0:54:34.400
<v Speaker 1>and do nothing online because people will say what they

0:54:34.440 --> 0:54:36.760
<v Speaker 1>want even if it isn't true. People will be abusive,

0:54:36.800 --> 0:54:39.000
<v Speaker 1>they'll just be so awful. And then on the other side,

0:54:39.000 --> 0:54:41.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, God, it sounds really nice to have a

0:54:41.360 --> 0:54:44.000
<v Speaker 1>space where you can really be your full self, where

0:54:44.040 --> 0:54:47.880
<v Speaker 1>you can be incredibly astute and intellectual and also completely

0:54:47.920 --> 0:54:50.239
<v Speaker 1>silly and say like, this is the coolest wallpaper I've

0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:52.040
<v Speaker 1>ever seen in my life. Yeah, this is the best

0:54:52.080 --> 0:54:55.359
<v Speaker 1>pizza this week. Did you read that New York Times

0:54:55.480 --> 0:55:00.680
<v Speaker 1>article about this tariff whatever? Like we are we contain multitudes,

0:55:00.719 --> 0:55:02.759
<v Speaker 1>as the adage goes, and how nice that you have

0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:05.120
<v Speaker 1>a space where you get to be all of those things.

0:55:05.320 --> 0:55:07.839
<v Speaker 2>It really it has been a gift, and it's not

0:55:08.400 --> 0:55:13.640
<v Speaker 2>it's only years in that I've like really can reflect

0:55:13.680 --> 0:55:17.239
<v Speaker 2>on it and say, I'm all in. I'm all in,

0:55:18.080 --> 0:55:20.400
<v Speaker 2>and this is what it is, and I'm not going

0:55:20.480 --> 0:55:22.160
<v Speaker 2>to shy away from it, and I'm going to be

0:55:22.200 --> 0:55:26.600
<v Speaker 2>who I am and just go for it. But also

0:55:27.120 --> 0:55:29.160
<v Speaker 2>I say that in the same bread of like it's

0:55:29.239 --> 0:55:31.920
<v Speaker 2>under the happy place, not my name, so you have

0:55:32.000 --> 0:55:35.840
<v Speaker 2>to get out, like I'm like, okay, Joe, call my

0:55:35.880 --> 0:55:38.200
<v Speaker 2>bullsh just be like okay, now start to share it

0:55:38.239 --> 0:55:41.520
<v Speaker 2>over there. But no, it is. It's a destination, is

0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:44.239
<v Speaker 2>what I call it all the time. It's a destination

0:55:44.560 --> 0:55:48.759
<v Speaker 2>just to come and be and share and you know,

0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:51.480
<v Speaker 2>it's nice. It's just to tease my heart.

0:55:51.760 --> 0:55:54.120
<v Speaker 1>Well, and I think community is the thing that always

0:55:54.160 --> 0:55:56.760
<v Speaker 1>saves us, and so to build a space for community

0:55:56.880 --> 0:56:02.600
<v Speaker 1>is so important. And I hear it's expanding into production.

0:56:02.960 --> 0:56:07.760
<v Speaker 2>What does it mean. We are actually in production now

0:56:08.239 --> 0:56:12.000
<v Speaker 2>with three movies that are based on a book series,

0:56:12.280 --> 0:56:16.160
<v Speaker 2>and it's really happening. It's really happening. So we are

0:56:16.280 --> 0:56:19.319
<v Speaker 2>just you know, in the process of optioning material and

0:56:19.400 --> 0:56:24.920
<v Speaker 2>getting it made. And and that is another There's so

0:56:25.040 --> 0:56:28.400
<v Speaker 2>many books and things that I read that I'm like, yes, wow,

0:56:28.440 --> 0:56:30.840
<v Speaker 2>this is so amazing. But then I'm thinking to myself, Okay,

0:56:30.840 --> 0:56:33.560
<v Speaker 2>what's consistent with like the ethos, the story, what's the

0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:37.640
<v Speaker 2>story here, what's the that broad strokes And so it

0:56:37.680 --> 0:56:43.680
<v Speaker 2>has been really fun curating that and and like leaning

0:56:43.719 --> 0:56:47.040
<v Speaker 2>into what my intuition is telling me about what needs

0:56:47.200 --> 0:56:49.319
<v Speaker 2>what I feel like we need to like spend our

0:56:49.320 --> 0:56:51.880
<v Speaker 2>time on and you know, you know, it's not easy

0:56:51.920 --> 0:56:55.319
<v Speaker 2>to get anything off the ground. And I also it's

0:56:55.360 --> 0:56:59.440
<v Speaker 2>been really a great joy as an executive producer on

0:56:59.480 --> 0:57:02.439
<v Speaker 2>these movies, not acting in them, to just be there

0:57:02.480 --> 0:57:06.600
<v Speaker 2>for actors too, Yes, because I do speak that language,

0:57:06.600 --> 0:57:08.719
<v Speaker 2>and I do know how important it feels, and I

0:57:08.760 --> 0:57:12.400
<v Speaker 2>know the process of like you could be so like

0:57:12.600 --> 0:57:16.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm so prepared just in general as a human and

0:57:16.200 --> 0:57:18.800
<v Speaker 2>then sometimes things come up like in the last minute.

0:57:18.800 --> 0:57:23.400
<v Speaker 2>And it's funny people that don't understand our types are like, whoa,

0:57:23.400 --> 0:57:25.000
<v Speaker 2>it's like coming out of nowhere, And it's like, well,

0:57:25.080 --> 0:57:27.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of it does. Because that's what you want. You

0:57:27.320 --> 0:57:29.240
<v Speaker 2>want an actor that things come out of nowhere and

0:57:29.320 --> 0:57:31.800
<v Speaker 2>hit you in a certain way because you know they're

0:57:31.840 --> 0:57:34.640
<v Speaker 2>in the moment and like, so it's been nice to

0:57:34.720 --> 0:57:38.920
<v Speaker 2>advocate in that way and set up up a warm

0:57:38.960 --> 0:57:43.400
<v Speaker 2>and loving environment for people to follow their dreams.

0:57:44.240 --> 0:57:44.480
<v Speaker 3>You can.

0:57:44.960 --> 0:57:47.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's fun, it's really exciting.

0:57:47.520 --> 0:57:49.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited for you.

0:57:49.560 --> 0:57:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

0:57:50.440 --> 0:57:52.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm also like, great, I have seventeen ideas for some

0:57:53.000 --> 0:57:54.200
<v Speaker 1>things that I'm just going to bring to you.

0:57:54.280 --> 0:57:56.600
<v Speaker 2>Let's go be here, Le's make up, Let's make up.

0:57:57.440 --> 0:58:01.080
<v Speaker 1>I love it well, I mean, oh, I just feel

0:58:01.120 --> 0:58:04.360
<v Speaker 1>such joy for you and with you, and like, like,

0:58:04.400 --> 0:58:07.800
<v Speaker 1>what an exciting moment when you look at and it

0:58:07.800 --> 0:58:10.080
<v Speaker 1>doesn't necessarily have to be the year ahead, like your

0:58:10.080 --> 0:58:13.040
<v Speaker 1>to do list or what's in the calendar or things

0:58:13.040 --> 0:58:15.360
<v Speaker 1>with work, but I guess when you sort of look

0:58:15.800 --> 0:58:18.800
<v Speaker 1>in front of you this year or the big you know,

0:58:18.880 --> 0:58:22.720
<v Speaker 1>twenty years we spoke of earlier, when you're kind of

0:58:22.720 --> 0:58:26.080
<v Speaker 1>looking out at the horizon, what feels like your work

0:58:26.080 --> 0:58:27.120
<v Speaker 1>in progress right now?

0:58:27.840 --> 0:58:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

0:58:30.000 --> 0:58:31.240
<v Speaker 1>No pressure, I know.

0:58:32.920 --> 0:58:35.520
<v Speaker 2>I want to be a really present mom. That's super

0:58:35.560 --> 0:58:38.320
<v Speaker 2>important to me. So like just the parenting thing is

0:58:38.360 --> 0:58:40.439
<v Speaker 2>always going to be a work in progress because they've

0:58:40.520 --> 0:58:44.120
<v Speaker 2>changed so quickly and it's like WHOA, that one came

0:58:44.160 --> 0:58:47.560
<v Speaker 2>out of nowhere. But I think that I have this

0:58:48.520 --> 0:58:52.000
<v Speaker 2>voracious need to tell, to storytell, and not necessarily as

0:58:52.040 --> 0:58:56.480
<v Speaker 2>an actor, So I just I'm extremeeling extremely creative in

0:58:56.520 --> 0:59:00.200
<v Speaker 2>my moment and also trying to look back and and

0:59:00.280 --> 0:59:03.920
<v Speaker 2>know that you know, I'm being so wholly supported and

0:59:04.520 --> 0:59:10.640
<v Speaker 2>protected from the other side, and I actually am understanding that,

0:59:10.760 --> 0:59:15.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, it is it will inform everything how I parent,

0:59:15.720 --> 0:59:19.120
<v Speaker 2>how I live, how I walk in this world, everything

0:59:20.440 --> 0:59:23.760
<v Speaker 2>that that loss, but also that there is like great

0:59:23.840 --> 0:59:26.720
<v Speaker 2>creativity and power that's sort of being pushed from the

0:59:26.720 --> 0:59:29.360
<v Speaker 2>other side for me. And I think the work in

0:59:29.400 --> 0:59:35.120
<v Speaker 2>progress is going to just try to remind myself to

0:59:35.120 --> 0:59:38.240
<v Speaker 2>to not be so worried about trying to make something

0:59:39.200 --> 0:59:44.880
<v Speaker 2>that I think people you know want. I want to

0:59:44.920 --> 0:59:49.240
<v Speaker 2>just follow my heart and tell the stories that I

0:59:49.280 --> 0:59:53.960
<v Speaker 2>know without a shadow of a doubt that storytelling will

0:59:54.000 --> 0:59:56.720
<v Speaker 2>be the next twenty years for me for sure.

0:59:58.480 --> 1:00:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, to tell the story you want to tell, not

1:00:01.440 --> 1:00:03.640
<v Speaker 1>necessarily for what people are going to think about it.

1:00:03.960 --> 1:00:07.440
<v Speaker 2>And that's what happy places. And it just hit me

1:00:07.480 --> 1:00:09.920
<v Speaker 2>when your partner was saying to you, like, there's so

1:00:10.040 --> 1:00:12.880
<v Speaker 2>much more to you, which, by the way, I would

1:00:12.920 --> 1:00:17.200
<v Speaker 2>say that too, Like I'm like, yes, share that, you know,

1:00:17.480 --> 1:00:22.640
<v Speaker 2>that's like, it's just tell the story. The story changes

1:00:22.720 --> 1:00:27.200
<v Speaker 2>every day, fifteen times a day, yes, And there's beauty

1:00:27.280 --> 1:00:35.080
<v Speaker 2>and power to that, and it's it's important and we

1:00:35.200 --> 1:00:37.760
<v Speaker 2>are in these spots to be able to do that,

1:00:37.960 --> 1:00:40.640
<v Speaker 2>so we have a chance to But everyone should tell

1:00:40.640 --> 1:00:43.919
<v Speaker 2>their story, everyone should agree, even the ones we don't

1:00:43.920 --> 1:00:44.400
<v Speaker 2>want to listen to.

1:00:45.240 --> 1:00:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think the more people that do the more

1:00:49.280 --> 1:00:51.160
<v Speaker 1>the more others are encouraged to do it too.

1:00:51.840 --> 1:00:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think people are going to really are wakening.

1:00:55.480 --> 1:01:01.720
<v Speaker 2>They're they're waking up to the truth. And it it's

1:01:01.760 --> 1:01:04.360
<v Speaker 2>not fast enough, because of course we're not. I'm not patient,

1:01:04.760 --> 1:01:07.120
<v Speaker 2>but I do think that there's going to be less

1:01:07.120 --> 1:01:11.720
<v Speaker 2>tolerance for the lack of authenticity and I think it's

1:01:11.720 --> 1:01:16.560
<v Speaker 2>going to reveal itself. I That is my prayer, Yeah,

1:01:16.640 --> 1:01:17.440
<v Speaker 2>that is my prayer.