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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Hey Whipsmarties.

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Speaker 1: I am so excited to sit down today with a

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Speaker 1: woman I have known and admired for so long, not

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Speaker 1: only for her incredible career, but as a human who

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Speaker 1: was one of the very first people I met when

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Speaker 1: I started work as a little whipper snapper on the WB.

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Speaker 1: Today's guest is none other than Joanna Garcia Swisher. She

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Speaker 1: has an undeniable range as both a comedic and a

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Speaker 1: dramatic actress. She's one of those people who is so

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Speaker 1: naturally vibrant that you're drawn to her in every room,

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Speaker 1: and she has built such an incredible not only career,

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Speaker 1: but life, from her current role on Netflix's Sweet Magnolia's

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Speaker 1: to her beautiful lifestyle destination The Happy Place, with which

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Speaker 1: really explores what motivates us, what makes us feel amazing,

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Speaker 1: how we gather, how we enjoy, what it is to

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Speaker 1: be alive, to one of my very favorite things. Y'all know,

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Speaker 1: I don't really watch reality TV, but I did get

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Speaker 1: hooked on the Ultimatum Queer Love, and she hosted it,

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Speaker 1: and my goodness, did I love it. She does all

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Speaker 1: of it. She's a mom of two young girls. She

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Speaker 1: is a wife, she is a producer, she is a creator,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just so excited to sit down and talk

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Speaker 1: with her today about the twenty plus years we've known

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Speaker 1: each other, what her career has been like thus far,

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Speaker 1: and what she sees ahead in the next twenty Let's

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Speaker 1: sit down with Joe.

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Speaker 2: Hello.

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Speaker 1: Hello, I'm so excited to see you in your family's

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Speaker 1: well and I really's good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the girls are getting so big, eleven and eight.

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Speaker 2: It's wild. I know. I was just talking to Nick

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Speaker 2: last night and he was saying something about a car

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Speaker 2: and he's like, well, Emmy, I'll be driving in like

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Speaker 2: four years. And I thought, what did you just say

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Speaker 2: to me? I felt I felt like it was an assault.

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Speaker 2: I mean, granted, she's eleven, almost twelve, but I thought,

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Speaker 2: don't say that to me. Don't point that stuff out.

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Speaker 1: That's too big a leap.

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Speaker 2: I was like, no, sir, because you know how quickly

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Speaker 2: four years goes by. God willing by the way in this.

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Speaker 2: But I just thought, oh, gosh, but you know, we're

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Speaker 2: just good. It's good East Coast eleven.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're loving it.

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Speaker 2: We are. I mean, we're back home, and so it

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Speaker 2: feels right after I lost my dad and then my

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Speaker 2: weeks before my mom. It just felt like the right

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Speaker 2: My in laws had moved to Tampa, so we came back.

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Speaker 2: And also I've been working in Georgia since twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 2: so it's like a hop skip, so we're kind of

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Speaker 2: splitting our time between there, and it feels feels like

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Speaker 2: the right spot. But every time I go back to

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Speaker 2: La just but I kind of just miss what we had,

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Speaker 2: Like you know, that era, that time where things were

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Speaker 2: just a little bit more simple, a lot more simple,

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Speaker 1: It's interesting, though, when you talk about your girls, because

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite things to ask people is to

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Speaker 1: rewind and talk about childhood. And I realize, in all

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Speaker 1: the years I've known you, I've not really asked you

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Speaker 1: they can look at their own childhood and also see

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Speaker 1: these sort of themes reflected in their children in present day.

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Speaker 1: So when when you look back, you know, at the

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Speaker 1: age your younger daughter is at nine, if you could

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Speaker 1: go and hang out with nine year old Joanna, would

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Speaker 1: you be like, oh my god, she's friendly and gathers

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Speaker 1: people and is so communicative and as a total performer

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Speaker 2: I think there was probably all of that there, and

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Speaker 2: this sort of just like knowing that things were going

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Speaker 2: and all of this stuff, and I'm like, yeah, but

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Speaker 2: now still in certain ways. But I was like I

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Speaker 2: It was really hard, and it definitely affected it still

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Speaker 2: does to this day, that sort of need to kind

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Speaker 2: of like please and fit in and all of those

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Speaker 2: little insecurities that creep up naturally. And then we choose

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Speaker 2: to do what we do for a living, which is

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Speaker 2: so forward facing and up for a million opinions, and

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Speaker 2: lord knows, we didn't even know back then when we

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Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like when we started on the

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Speaker 2: really felt now that I'm really just kind of digging

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Speaker 2: into it. My mom was just such a She was

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Speaker 2: like a getter done. She was like, what do you

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Speaker 2: Let's go in, like, let's figure it out, let's go.

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Speaker 2: My husband had a little bit of that too, which

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Speaker 2: I just I felt I felt like it was tough,

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Speaker 2: I kind of feel like that now. I guess I

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Speaker 2: And my dad really talked a lot about that too.

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Speaker 2: My dad was an immigrant, you know, he came over

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Speaker 2: you can handle the pain. Put that, but let's bench

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Speaker 2: that one for now. But it is true because I

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Speaker 2: But I'm still here, and I'm still living and still

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Speaker 1: And yeah, well, and I think there's something really interesting

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Speaker 1: because it is hard to be sensitive to cruelty, to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean not to I've shared this before, but

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Speaker 2: going to a beautiful museum and you know, looking at

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Speaker 2: I just like that's so that's where I'm fitting in

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Speaker 2: that's I'm so grateful to be surrounded by such strong, connected, aware,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And you know, I think I get what

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Speaker 1: oh my god. Like when you start to sort of

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00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: see things rather than like try to make them work,

435
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: it's so arresting. And to have people go through it,

436
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, to watch people. Sometimes it's your friends on

437
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: a show, or it's strangers on the show, or someone

438
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: who writes a book or an article or whatever, and

439
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: it simply by being familiar, it makes you feel less alone.

440
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: And that is something I think is so special about

441
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: your show. It gives me the same nostalgia that like

442
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: my first show, I've now learned weirdly, like, as I've

443
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: gotten to understand it through the fans and then gone

444
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: back and rewatched it, I'm like, oh my god, I

445
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 1: get it now.

446
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

447
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: I didn't get it when I was making it, because

448
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: when I was making it, I was like doing script

449
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 1: breakdowns and you know, figuring out how to stay in

450
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 1: the two shot correctly, but totally like a viewer, I

451
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: get it, and it is something I think is so special.

452
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 2: It is it really really is. It's a great, great

453
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 2: gift and an honor. Do you feel like, I don't

454
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 2: know why I'm hearing to say this out loud, but

455
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: just and this is something that I think that is

456
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: so special about you? And even just my husband having

457
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 2: just briefly met you, he was like, she's such a

458
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: like real human and powerful human and you're so special.

459
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 2: And then do you feel like when you're like, I

460
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 2: had all this list, these boxes, I checked them all off,

461
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: did it? Did it? And it may have not been

462
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: consistent with what your ultimate destination was, but did it

463
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: make you feel really powerful and like key meal and strong? Okay?

464
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: No, So what I think I had to realize is

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00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: that much like and I know this isn't unique to me.

466
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: I know we all do this, and particularly when you

467
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: receive so much pushback for the quote specialness of your career,

468
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: people are like, it's not special at all, And you know,

469
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: whether they're calling us the Hollywood elite, where I'm like,

470
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: do y' all know how unions work and it's not

471
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: what you think it is? Or you know, they're they're saying,

472
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,479
Speaker 1: like whatever horrible thing they're saying. What I realized is

473
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: the hyper sensitivity and the loneliness and the scars from

474
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Speaker 1: like my own bullying and othering and whatever as a

475
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: kid that I carried put me in a position of

476
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: being so self deprecating that I actually re my quote specialness.

477
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I even have.

478
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: To like say quote specialness. I'm realizing I'm doing it

479
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: in real time, Like this would be like why are

480
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: you doing that?

481
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: Why are you doing that? Don't do that?

482
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: And so what I think it did was it made

483
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: me say, oh, if this, if this is like the

484
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: frequency I vibrate at, it makes people uncomfortable, so I'm

485
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: going to need to be here.

486
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

487
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Speaker 1: I got so accustomed to dimming myself that I didn't

488
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: even realize it made me an easy mark for people

489
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: who were like, oh, that's our way in, for someone

490
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: who could say like, oh, that's a way in where

491
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: then I can kind of I can. I can help

492
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: with the list, but I have I have an ulterior motive. Yeah,

493
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: And the gift of the grief is that I finally

494
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: tore up the list. Yeah, and it was like just

495
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: like your phone and your coworker's phone for no good reason,

496
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: in that exact moment, in real time, not like three

497
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: weeks later, in that moment said here's a sign. It

498
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: was like the moment I ripped it up, I was

499
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: suddenly surrounded by people ripping theirs up too. Yeah, and

500
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: it absolutely saved my life.

501
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

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00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: And I think when you can get on the other

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00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: side of something and say like, oh, I'm actually grateful

504
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: for even what was bad, Yeah, because it gave me

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Speaker 1: the future good.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's yeah, that's the thing that it's like, it

507
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: was all part of the journey, but god it is. Yeah.

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00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: I mean you have to have gratitude for every all

509
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: the steps you have to because and also a commitment

510
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: to just staying awake and aware. I think that's the thing,

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00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: is that you can have the twenty twenty, have the

512
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: gratitude for all of that, and also the forgiveness. I

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00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: feel like I really struggle with that with I hold

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Speaker 2: onto these things that I are just such a waste

515
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: of time. I'm tough on myself, and I think as

516
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: of late I've been like, just speak easy on yourself.

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00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 2: You know. I hold myself so deeply accountable that I

518
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: would never do that to my husband or my or

519
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: my best friends. I would be like, give yourself a break,

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00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: and I don't. I don't do that well enough. That's

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00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: I think, something that is in the present.

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Speaker 1: Happening for me right now and now for our sponsors.

523
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: I used to sort of I used to say this thing,

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00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: and then I realized I was wearing it as almost

525
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: a badge of honor. That was so sad. I'd say, well,

526
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: nobody's meaner to me than me. Oh, so it was like, oh,

527
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: internet trolls, you think daari, I tap you. I trust me,

528
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: Like this is child's play, honey. And then eventually I

529
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: was like, wait, but why, Yeah, but why I And

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00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: my word of the Year for twenty twenty four was gentleness.

531
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Speaker 1: I was like, I have to find a gentleness, a tenderness.

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00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: I have to I have to be willing to hold

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00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: myself the way I hold other people, whether they're my

534
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: best friends or someone I've barely known. And it really

535
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: has helped me make such a shift, and in a

536
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: weird way, it's made me a more hopeful person. Like

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00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: it's made me understand the stories of people that I'm

538
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: close to. You know that I might relate to like

539
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: there's a reasurns out. There's a reason I related to

540
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: love Warrior and then untamed so much. And then there's

541
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Speaker 1: a reason that you know people I've known in this sphere.

542
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: You know, some of my best friends who've been with

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Speaker 1: their person since college, or some of the folks out

544
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: in our world who have always been like a safe

545
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: place to land for me, like you where I'll watch

546
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: what your family's doing, and I'm like, I love that

547
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: I know people where it's worked for so long, because

548
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: that gives me hope, Like we talk about the next

549
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: twenty years of our careers. When I look at certain

550
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: stories like yours, or the sweetness of a family like

551
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: yours or some of my other friends, I get to

552
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: go like that feels fun for the next twenty years. Yeah,

553
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: like ah, And I know people I can ask questions

554
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: too about like when it worked, when they knew all

555
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: the things. I don't know most people who met their

556
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: person when we were like, you know, younger, all babies.

557
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: I mean you guys, we were thirty working on Gossip Girl.

558
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, Like it's such a time in my.

559
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,719
Speaker 1: Brain, you know, wild, and it's so I don't know,

560
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: it's so cool I'm like, oh man, it's nice to

561
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: kind of see that. No matter what, whether you've had

562
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: certain things figured out for a long time or you're

563
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: just figuring them out now, you've got people to lean

564
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: on who've been in their own parts of that journey.

565
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: It's never too late ever and for anything, Yeah, for anything.

566
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: And also there's a million people who've done this before you,

567
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: so you have you have people to lean on.

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00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: I just told my friend this who just had a

569
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Speaker 2: baby a couple days ago. I said, I promise you

570
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: my kids may have not gone through it, but someone

571
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: I know has, so just holler. You know, I'd be like, oh,

572
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: I don't know about that diaper rash, but let me like,

573
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: let me, let's take a picture of it. I think

574
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: I have a mom friend that you know, it's that

575
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 2: kind of connectivity. But also talking about relationships and sharing

576
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: the realities of like marriage and that type of partnerships

577
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,239
Speaker 2: and the highs and the lows and you know the

578
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: truth to that. I think that's also really important because

579
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: you know, your word was gentleness for twenty twenty four,

580
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: mine was clarity. I experienced. It's just like there was

581
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: a relationship in my life that was starting to feel

582
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: I was a friendship and it just was starting to

583
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 2: feel mess See, it was starting to feel blurry, and

584
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: I hadn't had that in a really long time, and

585
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,239
Speaker 2: I just really needed that sense of clarity. And for me,

586
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: it was all just about authenticity. And my husband and

587
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: I talk about it all the time. I'm like, you

588
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 2: could be whoever you want to be, good, bad, ugly, honestly,

589
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: Well it's irrelevant, but just show me who you are

590
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 2: so I know what I'm working with, you know whether

591
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: and and I don't. The smoke and mirrors was just

592
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: a really uneasy place for me and just not living

593
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: that truth and authenticity and so clarity for me was

594
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: my big thing where I was like, let's put things

595
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: a little bit more in focus. Things felt a little

596
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: bit blurry for me. But I do think that you know,

597
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: I've been with Nick fifteen years. Yeah, and we've had

598
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: a lot happen. I mean, credible highs, professionally, personally, desperate lows,

599
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 2: deep loss, not understanding each other in those moments, grieving differently,

600
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: you know, him retiring, and how we related to each other,

601
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 2: him being a thirty five year old man that was

602
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: used to trotting out on a field one hundred and

603
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: sixty two games a year to great fanfare, and all

604
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 2: of a sudden, it's like, are you gonna make that lunch?

605
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 2: The girls? Lunches need to be made? Can you feed

606
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: the dogs? Like not that he didn't do that before,

607
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: but it felt like that was sort of it was

608
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 2: a huge rock for us, like it rocked us. It

609
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,959
Speaker 2: rocked him and rocked you know. And so I think

610
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 2: just there is such a beauty to be able to

611
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 2: connect authentic, authentically and work with that deep truth and

612
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 2: just real and be raw and real and like doing

613
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: it together and learning from one another, you know, because

614
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 2: not one person can fill all all the holes. I'm

615
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: married to like four people, my girlfriends, you know, like yeah,

616
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 2: my career in some ways, I'm married to Nack, like

617
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: I've like in a lot of ways, I have this

618
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: like deep genuine commitment to so many things in my life.

619
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Speaker 2: And so it is it is nice to be able

620
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: to just that's what like doing life together is, And

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Speaker 2: that's what I want my children to see. I want

622
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: them to have those people in their lives that they

623
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Speaker 2: feel safe with, that can that they've seen live and

624
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: walk the walk and do all of those things and

625
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: be able to connect with and learn from and you know,

626
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 2: not be everything for all of you. Know I don't.

627
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 2: I can't be everything for them.

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00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: Of course, it's really interesting. It kind of hits me

629
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Speaker 1: as you're talking about this because fifteen years for you

630
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: guys together is it's such an enormous chunk of life, right,

631
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: and as you said, you've seen each other through so

632
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 1: many things. Hillary and I talk about this a lot.

633
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,479
Speaker 1: I mean, all of us, you know from our first

634
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: show do, but particularly she and I will talk a

635
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: lot about how we had all these hunches as young people,

636
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: and some of them were right and some of them

637
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: are wrong, and you know, thank god we've all been

638
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: able to grow up together. But part of my brain

639
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: in hearing you talk about your marriage and all these

640
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: life stages and parenting and all these life stages and

641
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: the sort of stages of career is I'm like, oh

642
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: my god, do you think part of the reason that

643
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 1: you've been so wise in terms of how to ride

644
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: those waves and what a life looks like is because you,

645
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: like you kind of instead of growing up just with

646
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: your peers, right, like we were essentially teenagers on a

647
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: team TV shower like you also grew.

648
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 2: Up with Reba.

649
00:36:54,560 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: You grew up with an intergenerational mentor you know, this

650
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: powerful woman who was older and wiser and had been

651
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: through all the things, and talk about somebody who knows

652
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: how to navigate, you know, a big life and a

653
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: public life as a mom. Now do you kind of

654
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: look back on her playing your TV mom and go,

655
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: oh my god, she taught me so much that I

656
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: didn't even realize at the time, or did you realize it?

657
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: I realized it. Yeah, okay. And by the way, I

658
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: don't know, because you would have to ask her too, Chris,

659
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: I'm sure. And there was there was times where, you know,

660
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: I was a kid on you know, her show, like

661
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: Steve and I were just bumbling around like Ding Dong's

662
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, and every and and Chris Rich the

663
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 2: guy that plays the man that played my dad on

664
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: the show, and wilst petermant too, like they they just

665
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 2: always reminded us of how special like the opportunity was

666
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 2: because we were this was our first show, and you know,

667
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 2: He's like, this doesn't come around very often, so just

668
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 2: remember that. But Reva, to this day, I mean, we

669
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: are so interconnected and we are constant communication all of

670
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 2: us that we have your little group chat and we

671
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 2: talk all the time, and we you know in many ways,

672
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: like I know when I send them a picture of

673
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 2: I'm anna cry saying this, but I know that when

674
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: I send them like the picture of my kid at

675
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 2: the cheer competition, and they're really excited to get it. Yeah,

676
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 2: and that is having lost two people that are really

677
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 2: excited to get those things, like the parents, the grandparents.

678
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, it's really special to have that. And

679
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm crying. It's okay, but yeah, Like

680
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 2: and Riba talk about authenticity, like never there is no

681
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 2: heir to her, no pretense, there's no a superstar, even

682
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: though she's so undeniably a superstar, she has lived her

683
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: life with such honesty and absolutely and I'm sure that

684
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: there were times where I know there were times you know,

685
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 2: a soul crush, soul crushing grief and you know, loss

686
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: of things, and but she's so she is so hopeful,

687
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: like watching her fall in love again with Rex, and uh,

688
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: like a kid, like a schoolgirl. You know, it's like

689
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: to be able to look back on your life and

690
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: and just say, you know, no matter what life threw

691
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: at me. I kind of grabbed it by the horns

692
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: and made the best of it and also remained like

693
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 2: excited and exuberant and joyful. And so did she teach

694
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 2: me what it was what it meant to be a

695
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 2: graceful leading lady and a powerful business woman who knew

696
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: her worth and a kind icon, yes, and spades. But

697
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 2: what also I thought was so special is so special

698
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: about hers that she's just so darn feel and humble

699
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 2: and and good. And she walked as a bridesmaid in

700
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: my wedding.

701
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: You know, I'll ask you about that, come on, Yeah,

702
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: you know cool, yeah, so cool.

703
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: Very special.

704
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: I mean, because you've had such an amazing career, do

705
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: you think having mentors like hers and the community that

706
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: you have has that kind of helped you navigate how

707
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: to do this stuff, how to be in this for

708
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: the long haul.

709
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel really lucky, Like looking at the people

710
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: that I've come across and the people like that have

711
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: been a part of my team, like my my people there,

712
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: my family, and and so I feel like I have

713
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 2: been you know, on Riva when we started that, oh,

714
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 2: it was really popular to be like super skinny, and

715
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: you know, all of these things and I remember our

716
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: producers were like you. They said to me, there, Joey,

717
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: you were so beautiful. They were like, please, don't change

718
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: the only thing they asked that Steve and I didn't

719
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 2: have sex. They're like, it'll ruin everything, just don't hook

720
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: up love. I was like, okay.

721
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, we had producers begging everyone to fall in love

722
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: with each other so that no one would ever want

723
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: to leave the show or ask for our raise, and

724
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: our producers were trying to sleep with us at the

725
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: same time. What a fun zone.

726
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: That would have been something to navigate some toxicrabbing bulls

727
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 2: by the horns.

728
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: No, so toxic and by the way, like how I

729
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: wish we had been protected by like shooting on the

730
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers line. I know, being isolated because for us,

731
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: And again I feel like she's coming up for me

732
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: so much. She's she's my Reba. Hillary and I talk

733
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: about this all the time because she left the show

734
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: first and when she went to work on White Collar

735
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: shell me and she was like, girl, it is so different,

736
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm freaking out. And I was like, I'm trying

737
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: to make it different here and like I'm being told

738
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: I'm difficult. Yes, because I'm being like, don't touch the

739
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: girls at work, boss man, Like it was so wild

740
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: and it really was such a lifeline for me to

741
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: hear than in other places it was going differently. Yeah,

742
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't know, I love I love

743
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: hearing stories like the one you're telling that you had

744
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: such good, protective bosses who mentored you instead of trying

745
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: to take advantage of you. Like more of that, please?

746
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: Good God?

747
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: I know. But don't you feel now that you've gone

748
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 2: on to lead other shows that you can bring that goodness? Oh? Yeah,

749
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 2: because I do feel a sense of a huge sense

750
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 2: of responsibility to move forward and like where where I

751
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: have been given the opportunity to set the tone and

752
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 2: sort of, you know, help create a culture that it's

753
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: like for me, I was able to bring what I

754
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: saw this extraordinary woman and what she's capable of doing

755
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 2: and what she does just so effortlessly. I was able

756
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 2: to bring all of that to my jobs and still

757
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: do to this day. I mean, oftentimes I'll be like

758
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 2: Ria McIntyre doesn't even do stuff like that. In my head,

759
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,959
Speaker 2: I'll be like, you know, like, yes, you can't act

760
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: like that, you.

761
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 3: Know, don't tell me you've earned that, Like this woman

762
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: has earned all of it and she literally will you know,

763
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 3: help hold your hair if you got a puke, you know.

764
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 3: And so but but I definitely think that that is

765
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 3: a little part of the healing process and a.

766
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: Part of you know, you get to you get to

767
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 2: and you'll see that. I think in parenting too, if

768
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: that's like part of your journey, you'll you do get

769
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 2: to just be like, you know what, I kind of

770
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: sorted through all that crap, so you don't you don't

771
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 2: have to like let me just like put it in

772
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: a different light for you and let me just kind

773
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: of make that better for you and in a beautiful way.

774
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think when those things get mirrored back

775
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: to you, you know, with your family and your workplace,

776
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: one of the things that I will carry with me forever.

777
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: You know. I got to be in every leadership role,

778
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: all of them at the same time on my last

779
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: CBS show, and you know, to lead a big network show,

780
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: you know how it is, it's like it's a lot

781
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: big deal and it's wild and it's an honor and

782
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: it's a lot of pressure. And one of the best

783
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: days I had on set when we were juggling a

784
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: bajillion things, and you know, on hour sixteen, Sweet Jordan,

785
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: my prop guy sidles up next to me and he goes,

786
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: you know, to work on a set like this run

787
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: by all of you women, He said, I see how

788
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: different it is for all of you, And it just

789
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: dawned on me. It's been a couple episodes, and I

790
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: don't think I've told you how different it is for

791
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: me too. Having you ladies in charge makes my life better, Aimen,

792
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: And I was.

793
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 2: Like, Jordan, You're like, darn right, that's it.

794
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: And it was so cool, and it was one of

795
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: those moments where you go like, oh yeah, when we

796
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: when we make sure we're taking care of everybody who's

797
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: not normally taken care of, everybody just gets taken care

798
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: of better, even the people who are used to kind

799
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: of being at the top of the pyramid. That I

800
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: think is so special. And the idea that you got

801
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: to watch Riba do that and that you learn to

802
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: do that, and that you get to do that on

803
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:33,959
Speaker 1: your set and you get to do that as a mom.

804
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 1: What an amazing sort of three hundred and sixty degree

805
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: view on your whole life, Like you said, on all

806
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 1: of your marriages. You know, you're married doing a mom

807
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: you're married to your actual husband. Hei nik, you're great,

808
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: you're married your career, you're married to like your mission

809
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: and your purpose. And they all are in this like flow.

810
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, they are, and even and then when one

811
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: sort of like kitchen, you know, yeah, like you're like, okay,

812
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 2: hold on, I gotta I gotta kind of like address that,

813
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 2: and they're all the other ones are kind of flowing,

814
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: and it's like it is a little bit of a

815
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 2: symphony of just this. You know, it's all about healing.

816
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what we're here to do, to hear

817
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 2: and to heal, to learn, to grow, to connect to

818
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 2: like just you know, experience this classroom together and and

819
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 2: if we can do that with as much kindness and

820
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: patience as possible. And that's also something that is not

821
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: like ingrained in me as patients. I'm just kind of

822
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 2: like a h and I feel like I sometimes missed

823
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 2: the like the details of the plot, and I'm like, dang,

824
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: that was really cool. And I just didn't even really

825
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: acknowledge it in the moment because I was impatient in

826
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: that moment. But I definitely feel like it's I think

827
00:46:55,120 --> 00:47:00,959
Speaker 2: it's all I care to kind of be into right now.

828
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: I love that is that it feels kind of like

829
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: a deep breath.

830
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: Yes, it does. And it's been this year. I write

831
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: in my newsletter for the Happy Place every month, but

832
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 2: this year especially, I looked back on my last year

833
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 2: and wow, my headspace was different. I was really depleted.

834
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 2: I was really I think I actually wrote like, not

835
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: is it the new year yet? Like it took me

836
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 2: a good two weeks to even be like, whoa, Okay,

837
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 2: we're in twenty twenty four. This year, I was like,

838
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: let's go, let's go. And I had the flu. I

839
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: got I started the year with the flu, and I

840
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: was like, let's do this. I'm like, we're not We're

841
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 2: we're not in indulging this, like we're moving forward, We're

842
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: getting through this. Like it just my sense of my

843
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: my bandwidth had sort of expanded. I wasn't as depleted.

844
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: And I think a lot about obviously had to do

845
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 2: with grief, but a lot of it had to do

846
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: with a lot of hard work and realization and forgiveness

847
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: and reflection that I did last year, and this year

848
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 2: I felt more full.

849
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: We'll be back in just a minute. After a few

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00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:23,479
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Speaker 1: that just brings me joy. I've talked to people, you know,

853
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: people will say, like, what's something people don't know about you?

854
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: I unwind, especially when we're doing splits, which for our

855
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: friends out were like, you know, when you work from

856
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: noon to three in the morning on set, I'll get

857
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: home and I unwind by like picking a place on

858
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: a map and then designing like a fictitious house there

859
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: on Pinterest. I'm just like, I'm going to build a

860
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: house in Albuquerque reminiscent of Georgia o'keef's ghost Ranch, like

861
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Speaker 1: totally weird, totally nerdy.

862
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 2: You and I could go down rabbit holes to year Like.

863
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 1: I actually can't wait. I'm like, we need a side text.

864
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: So I was like, can we go on a girl's

865
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: trip and just do this together. Let's go. Literally, nothing

866
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 2: would bring me more joy. I'm not even bringing my phone.

867
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be like, I am unavailable. We have work

868
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: to do.

869
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll bring like point and shoot cameras. And your

870
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: your lifestyle site makes me so happy because it focuses

871
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: on things that bring me pure creative joy. You know,

872
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: you look at home design projects, you look at like

873
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: beautiful things to cook, you talk to really inspiring women,

874
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: and I love that instead of starting a bunch of

875
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: secret Pinterest boards, you actually made the space that other

876
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: people can enjoy. How how did you a carve out

877
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: the time be decide that you were really going to

878
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: invest the resource of your time and energy into this?

879
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it pure passion project that lets you

880
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: just feel creative?

881
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 2: Like? How does it?

882
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 1: How does it work?

883
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 2: Yeah? So it started as that. I mean, I think

884
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 2: that it was sort of a part of me that

885
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 2: I didn't really share with many people. And it was like, Okay,

886
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 2: this is going to be super designed ba because that's

887
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 2: what I felt like I should do. But The Happy

888
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 2: Place has saved me in so many ways, so many

889
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 2: times because it has. It's almost just it's funny because

890
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 2: you go to my regular Instagram page and I don't

891
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 2: share nearly as much, like you really get to know

892
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 2: me on the Happy Place. You see a lot more

893
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 2: in my life, a lot more of my personality of

894
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 2: my family because it feels so authentic to my story

895
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: and it's like my diary. I cook I'm not a chef,

896
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: but I cook all the time. I love arts and crafts,

897
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 2: so I share them. I love great home design. I

898
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 2: love women and their stories, and I think women are

899
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 2: the superior beings, just period and point blank. It's the

900
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: late place to like write, and I love reading, so

901
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 2: I share. But you know what's funny is part of

902
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 2: last year for me was forgiving myself for being so

903
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 2: hard on myself because in a lot of ways I

904
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 2: didn't feel like it reflected what it should have reflected.

905
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 2: It was sort of like, I don't want to use

906
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 2: it just for me. I was like, I wanted to

907
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 2: just give myself the freedom to just be who I am.

908
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 2: Share the smutty romance novel that I it didn't have

909
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: to be a book that like blew your mind or

910
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 2: anything more than just I enjoyed it, and so I

911
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 2: was trying to I've been trying to give myself permission

912
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 2: to just be me, and in that I've shared my grief,

913
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 2: I've shared my anxiety, I've shared my fears, I've shared

914
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 2: my excitement. I've shared, you know, my smoothie recipes that

915
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 2: feel so trivial, but it's actually I'm excited to say like,

916
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: this isn't a culinary masterpiece, but this is how I'm

917
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 2: getting my protein this morning. And you know, I love

918
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: avocado toast right now, so we're going to talk about

919
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 2: avocado toast. And so I just it's just allowing me

920
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 2: to just be me and and the people the community

921
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 2: is so positive and so supportive and so lovely, and

922
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 2: I find that it's really attracted that same energy we

923
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 2: don't really have like those trolls, you know, and I don't.

924
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 2: I'm not welcoming them and they're not welcome because it's

925
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 2: really just not a space for it. It's like there's

926
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 2: just not it's not a controversial place. It's a place

927
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: that you can come to be real that you can

928
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: come to just just take a deep breath and have

929
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 2: a little quick recipe or a cocktail with me or

930
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 2: a coffee with me, or hear about that I'm really sad,

931
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 2: or that I'm you know, struggling with my morning routine

932
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 2: and I'm like, let me just show you how it works,

933
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: or you know, it's it's not highly curated and perfect.

934
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 2: It's not. It's just authentic to who I am. And

935
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 2: it has it saved me in so many ways and

936
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 2: there are times where you can see I'm more inspired

937
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: than others. Oftentimes it's when I'm in Georgia by the water.

938
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 2: We have a lake house there and I just am

939
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 2: like overflowing with creativity there and that has been also

940
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 2: a learning lesson for me. So in many ways, it's

941
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: been like a reflection of what I need to hear,

942
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 2: what I need to know, and it's I think it's

943
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 2: the voice of what like I want to continue to

944
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 2: kind of explore.

945
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it.

946
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 2: That means a lot to me.

947
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: I love that in a space where you get to

948
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: be your full self. You know, it's really interesting. My

949
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: partner says this to me, like, even in all the

950
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: years we were friends, friendly acquaintances, you know, whatever you

951
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: want to call it, it's interesting when someone who knows

952
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: you so well goes God, I thought I knew you,

953
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: and then I realized there's so much more to you,

954
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: and we're all guilty of like the Internet has convinced

955
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: us that we really know everything about people. And you know,

956
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: she'll be like you are so weird and so funny,

957
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: and like you seem so serious on Instagram, and I'm like, well,

958
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: because that's where I'm trying to like share the news

959
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: to make sure people understand what's going on in the

960
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: world around them.

961
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 2: Like, and I don't know, I don't even really.

962
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: Know where I'm going with this. It's not necessarily a

963
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: fully formed thought. Things are just coming up as you're talking.

964
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: And I'm realizing, like part of me wants to hide

965
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: and do nothing online because people will say what they

966
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 1: want even if it isn't true. People will be abusive,

967
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: they'll just be so awful. And then on the other side,

968
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, God, it sounds really nice to have a

969
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: space where you can really be your full self, where

970
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: you can be incredibly astute and intellectual and also completely

971
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: silly and say like, this is the coolest wallpaper I've

972
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: ever seen in my life. Yeah, this is the best

973
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 1: pizza this week. Did you read that New York Times

974
00:54:55,480 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: article about this tariff whatever? Like we are we contain multitudes,

975
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: as the adage goes, and how nice that you have

976
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: a space where you get to be all of those things.

977
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 2: It really it has been a gift, and it's not

978
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 2: it's only years in that I've like really can reflect

979
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 2: on it and say, I'm all in. I'm all in,

980
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 2: and this is what it is, and I'm not going

981
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 2: to shy away from it, and I'm going to be

982
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 2: who I am and just go for it. But also

983
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 2: I say that in the same bread of like it's

984
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 2: under the happy place, not my name, so you have

985
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 2: to get out, like I'm like, okay, Joe, call my

986
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 2: bullsh just be like okay, now start to share it

987
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 2: over there. But no, it is. It's a destination, is

988
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 2: what I call it all the time. It's a destination

989
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 2: just to come and be and share and you know,

990
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 2: it's nice. It's just to tease my heart.

991
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: Well, and I think community is the thing that always

992
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,760
Speaker 1: saves us, and so to build a space for community

993
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: is so important. And I hear it's expanding into production.

994
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 2: What does it mean. We are actually in production now

995
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 2: with three movies that are based on a book series,

996
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 2: and it's really happening. It's really happening. So we are

997
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 2: just you know, in the process of optioning material and

998
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 2: getting it made. And and that is another There's so

999
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 2: many books and things that I read that I'm like, yes, wow,

1000
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 2: this is so amazing. But then I'm thinking to myself, Okay,

1001
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 2: what's consistent with like the ethos, the story, what's the

1002
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 2: story here, what's the that broad strokes And so it

1003
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 2: has been really fun curating that and and like leaning

1004
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 2: into what my intuition is telling me about what needs

1005
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 2: what I feel like we need to like spend our

1006
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 2: time on and you know, you know, it's not easy

1007
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 2: to get anything off the ground. And I also it's

1008
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 2: been really a great joy as an executive producer on

1009
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,439
Speaker 2: these movies, not acting in them, to just be there

1010
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 2: for actors too, Yes, because I do speak that language,

1011
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 2: and I do know how important it feels, and I

1012
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 2: know the process of like you could be so like

1013
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 2: I'm so prepared just in general as a human and

1014
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 2: then sometimes things come up like in the last minute.

1015
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 2: And it's funny people that don't understand our types are like, whoa,

1016
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 2: it's like coming out of nowhere, And it's like, well,

1017
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 2: kind of it does. Because that's what you want. You

1018
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 2: want an actor that things come out of nowhere and

1019
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 2: hit you in a certain way because you know they're

1020
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 2: in the moment and like, so it's been nice to

1021
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 2: advocate in that way and set up up a warm

1022
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 2: and loving environment for people to follow their dreams.

1023
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 3: You can.

1024
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun, it's really exciting.

1025
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for you.

1026
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1027
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: I'm also like, great, I have seventeen ideas for some

1028
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: things that I'm just going to bring to you.

1029
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 2: Let's go be here, Le's make up, Let's make up.

1030
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: I love it well, I mean, oh, I just feel

1031
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: such joy for you and with you, and like, like,

1032
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: what an exciting moment when you look at and it

1033
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily have to be the year ahead, like your

1034
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: to do list or what's in the calendar or things

1035
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: with work, but I guess when you sort of look

1036
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: in front of you this year or the big you know,

1037
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: twenty years we spoke of earlier, when you're kind of

1038
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: looking out at the horizon, what feels like your work

1039
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: in progress right now?

1040
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 2: Oh?

1041
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: No pressure, I know.

1042
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 2: I want to be a really present mom. That's super

1043
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 2: important to me. So like just the parenting thing is

1044
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,439
Speaker 2: always going to be a work in progress because they've

1045
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 2: changed so quickly and it's like WHOA, that one came

1046
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 2: out of nowhere. But I think that I have this

1047
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 2: voracious need to tell, to storytell, and not necessarily as

1048
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 2: an actor, So I just I'm extremeeling extremely creative in

1049
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 2: my moment and also trying to look back and and

1050
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 2: know that you know, I'm being so wholly supported and

1051
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 2: protected from the other side, and I actually am understanding that,

1052
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 2: you know, it is it will inform everything how I parent,

1053
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 2: how I live, how I walk in this world, everything

1054
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 2: that that loss, but also that there is like great

1055
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 2: creativity and power that's sort of being pushed from the

1056
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 2: other side for me. And I think the work in

1057
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 2: progress is going to just try to remind myself to

1058
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 2: to not be so worried about trying to make something

1059
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 2: that I think people you know want. I want to

1060
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 2: just follow my heart and tell the stories that I

1061
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 2: know without a shadow of a doubt that storytelling will

1062
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 2: be the next twenty years for me for sure.

1063
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, to tell the story you want to tell, not

1064
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: necessarily for what people are going to think about it.

1065
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 2: And that's what happy places. And it just hit me

1066
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 2: when your partner was saying to you, like, there's so

1067
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 2: much more to you, which, by the way, I would

1068
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 2: say that too, Like I'm like, yes, share that, you know,

1069
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 2: that's like, it's just tell the story. The story changes

1070
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 2: every day, fifteen times a day, yes, And there's beauty

1071
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 2: and power to that, and it's it's important and we

1072
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 2: are in these spots to be able to do that,

1073
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 2: so we have a chance to But everyone should tell

1074
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Speaker 2: their story, everyone should agree, even the ones we don't

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Speaker 2: want to listen to.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the more people that do the more

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Speaker 1: the more others are encouraged to do it too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think people are going to really are wakening.

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Speaker 2: They're they're waking up to the truth. And it it's

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Speaker 2: not fast enough, because of course we're not. I'm not patient,

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Speaker 2: but I do think that there's going to be less

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Speaker 2: tolerance for the lack of authenticity and I think it's

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Speaker 2: going to reveal itself. I That is my prayer, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that is my prayer.