1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Why from our nations this budget thing is going to 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: do nothing with space forts. I still think it's interesting 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: President Trump not playing his cards yet. Headlines Policy and Politics, 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: aligning to Floomberg sound On The Insiders, the Influencers, the insides. 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: I would rather see a congressional solution. It's part of 6 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: my DNA. The Senate map in looks a lot different 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: than it looked in. You really have a divide within 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: Team Trump. The president has to do exactly what people 9 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: sent him here to do, which is to get it done. 10 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Shirley on Bloomberg 11 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: N one and five point h D two. President Trump's 12 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: roadblocks forced Democrats to hone an impeachment strategy. How far 13 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: and how long will the impeachment saga play out? All 14 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: the way past? The Iowa Caucus is Speaking of Senator 15 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders speaking to NBC News tonight, he says that 16 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: he's defending his delay in reporting his heart attack, but 17 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: did he wait too long own to disclose all of that? 18 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: Plus on foreign policy, Turkey launching a ground incursion into 19 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: Syria as the U S stands aside a lot to 20 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: get through. Tonight, Bob Cusack is here, the editor in 21 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: chief at The Hill newspaper, and Ryan tig Beck with 22 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: Bloomberg News national political reporter. But first, Democrats. Democrats in 23 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: a strategy session tonight. This following that letter the President 24 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: Trump sent yesterday to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. He says 25 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: he's not going to play ball, He's not going to 26 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: cooperate with the Democrats impeachment inquiry. Now what does that 27 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: mean for how Speaker Nancy Pelosi? My guests with me 28 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: to walk us through all of this. The Hills editor 29 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: in chief Bob Cusack and my colleague Herera Bloomberg National 30 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: political reporter Ryan Teague Beck with Bob, If you're Speaker 31 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: of the House, Nancy Pelosi, She's received widespread praise for 32 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: how she's gamed President Trump. But if this impeach drags 33 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: on into calendar year, could that pose trouble for Democrats? Kevin, 34 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: I think it could certainly. I mean, we're just in 35 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: the beginning and the first inning of this, and it's 36 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: it's going well for Democrats. The polls show that there 37 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: has been some movement. That is what Pelosi was concerned 38 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: about is that most of the country did not favor 39 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: moving forward with impeachment. That has changed a bit, but 40 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: if it drags on, I think the timing is very 41 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: important here because Nancy Pelosi does not want this dragging 42 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: into UH and I think you know, the train has 43 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: left the station. I think it's a matter of time 44 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: before they move forward on on impeachment. But I wouldn't 45 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: expect anything certainly before Halloween. And I think it's more 46 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: of a November thing. Oh so holiday plans for already ruined. 47 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: Your uncle Jerry is going to get into a loud argument, 48 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: un Jerry, Uncle jaire. All right, so they've got this 49 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: big call. Ryan C. Beckwith on Friday Speaker Pelosi. What's 50 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: their first message going to be to her caucus about 51 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: where this its? How is she going to keep them 52 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: in line? I mean, I think that Trump is making 53 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: that a little bit easier for her because by going 54 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: with sort of a maximalist opposition move UH, that gives 55 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: an easy way for those who are on the fence 56 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 1: to say, this isn't about what did or didn't happen 57 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: in Ukraine. I just want to get to the bottom 58 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: of it, and the President is obstructing us. And I 59 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: think if you look at what Biden said he is 60 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: typically the most cautious of the presidential candidates in the 61 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: Democratic primary, and that was his message today. It was, um, 62 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: you know, essentially he's obstructing justice. That's that's the impeachable offense. 63 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: He didn't even really get into the what happened in Ukraine. 64 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: I'm really glad you brought that up. We actually have 65 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: what former Vice President Joe Biden said and what she 66 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: called on that impeachment for President Trump. Take a listen 67 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: to Joe Biden. To preserve our constitution, our democracy, our 68 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: basic integrity, he should be impeached. Bob, What's I mean, 69 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: He's the last Democrat to say the last front runner, 70 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: top tier candidate to say this. I mean, our progress 71 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: is really gonna care. They're gonna criticize him for for 72 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: coming this late to the game. I think it's interesting 73 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: that he's saying this now before the next debate next week, 74 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: I mean, which is gonna be the first debate since 75 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: the impeachment inquiries moved forward. I don't think he's gonna 76 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: win over progressives who have been wary of Biden. But 77 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: at the same time, he was a senator for thirty 78 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: semi years and there is a separation of power here. 79 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: And remember presidents Trump's team did cooperate for the most 80 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: part with the Molo probe. They gave over a ton 81 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: of documents. Now, Trump didn't testify and go under oath, 82 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: and that was probably a wise move by his lawyers. 83 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: But here they're just saying absolutely not. I agree with Ryan. 84 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: It makes it easier and it can actually could speed 85 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: up the process because they don't have to wait for 86 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: answers because I think that going to court and trying 87 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: to get all these documents that's gonna take forever. And 88 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna change any votes. I mean, 89 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: to that point, Bob if why didn't Speaker Pelosi just 90 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: have the impeachment vote right after the transcript came out? 91 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: Great question, And I think in covering policy for a 92 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: long time, is that she didn't. She knew at the 93 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: time the polls were not on her side, and I 94 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: think she did not want to have these moderate Democrats 95 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: who are from Trump districts have that vote. It's very 96 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: tough vote. Yeah, I mean, I think that it's a 97 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: very weird strategy. When you take a step back. Trump 98 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: began this with a sort of maximum transparency by releasing, 99 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: like handing over the whistle blow report, which he had 100 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: to do um, but which he could have kept stalling 101 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: on until the judge ordered him to um, and then 102 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: handing over the transcript. So essentially they fired Tchehov's gun 103 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: and then they switched to maximal stonewalling. And it's and 104 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: it's like, normally, normally you would get stonewalling and tell, okay, 105 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: a begrudging all right, here you go, we'll release the 106 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: damning document. But they just handed over the damning document 107 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: on like day one, and now they're like, we will 108 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: give you nothing. It's fascinating. It is a fact. It 109 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: caught a lot of folks, caught a lot of Republicans 110 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: off guard. I mean, there was some chatter behind the 111 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: scenes when that initial whistleblower report came out. They were like, 112 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: what what is he? What is he doing? And then 113 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: of course there's this uneasiness that that the White House 114 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: won't forecast to Hill Republicans about what they're going to do. 115 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: Speaking of Joe Biden, take a listen to what President 116 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: Trump had to say about Joe Biden earlier today. Here 117 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: he is Biden is dropping like a rock. I don't 118 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna make it. I didn't think 119 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: he was gonna make it for a long time. I 120 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna make it. And I guess this 121 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: is one way he can do it. You know, he 122 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: didn't say that until right now, and he sees what's 123 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: happening to him. I guess he's no longer at the 124 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: front runner. So do you think I mean, do you 125 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: think initially Bob, when when Trump warl was going after Biden, 126 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: it was because they really did feel that he he 127 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: he had Remember when Hillary Clinton was popular when she 128 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: left the State's apartment, but she he kind of had 129 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: that level of of political favor within the public. I mean, 130 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: do they really do you think that if they're overconfident, 131 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: or do you think Biden is very weak right now? 132 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: I Well, first of all, Trump is a great campaigner. 133 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: We saw that in twenty sixteen, and from the Trump campaign, Yeah, 134 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: they were nervous. We talked a lot of Republicans and 135 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: they said they were nervous about Biden, that he could 136 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: win states certainly like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan, which Trump 137 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: all one. So now I think the strategy here from 138 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: the Trump campaign is win win. You go after the bidens, 139 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: you weaken him, maybe he doesn't win, and then you 140 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: get possibly which number two is Elizabeth Warren, And then 141 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: you have a socialism argument. You really don't have the 142 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: socialism argument with Warren. But then you get a if 143 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: Biden with yes, with Biden sorry, and and if if 144 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: Biden somehow does win, And I think certainly he can 145 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: win the polls. He's doing quite well, he survived the summer, 146 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: and then he's a weekend front runner. Yeah. I got 147 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: to fact check a little bit Trump saying that he 148 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: never thought Biden would do well. Trump was saying that 149 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: he could see Biden doing well, uh, you know, a 150 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: few months ago. So he kind of does a little 151 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: bit of Trump him going back on his work never 152 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: go ahead. Yeah, I mean it is. I do think 153 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: that if you look at Trump's um people who don't 154 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: like Trump, everyone's pretty set in their opinion. Everyone's set 155 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: in their way. So as long as he's not removed 156 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: from office, you know, dragging Biden into a mud slinging 157 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: fast with him like maybe a win win. I was 158 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: so struck by this. I had lunch with the senior 159 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: Republican aide today who hawkish repub to a hawkish Republican 160 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: and I'm really struck, and coming up, we're gonna talk 161 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: more about foreign policy. I was really struck at how 162 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: these Republicans who are uneasy with the president's actions on 163 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: Syria are not juxtaposing this at all with the impeachment. 164 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: They have clearly separated the impeachment UH story from every 165 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: other issue, whether it relates to China, whether it relates 166 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: to Syria, UH to U S M c A. It 167 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: is completely separate from every other part of the president's agenda, 168 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: at least for now, and candidly, initially when all of 169 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: this happened, folks weren't entirely sure panel stays. Coming up, 170 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: we'd go around the world talk foreign policy with the 171 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: Hills editor in chief Bob Cusack and of course the 172 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: Ryan C. Beckwith of Bloomberg News. 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We're 181 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: having continuing coverage all week about the US China trade talks, 182 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: which are sets up formally formally kick off tomorrow here 183 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. If you all Tom Keane's interview 184 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: with the I m F leaders yesterday, you'll know that 185 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: there are the world is watching, not just Wall Street, 186 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: but the world just to see the back and forth 187 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: between the US and China. The Financial Times reporting earlier 188 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: today that the Chinese have agreed to buy something like 189 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: ten million more tons of you guessed it, soybeans in 190 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: order to I guess, have an olive branch, a soybean 191 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: olive branch. I'm trying, folks, That's yeah, I tried. That 192 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,599 Speaker 1: was Ryan T. Beckw With, who's much better with the 193 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: much better wordsmith than I will ever be. Ryan T. 194 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: Beckwith is our national political reporter here at Bloomberg News, 195 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: and I'm also joined by Bob Czack. He is the 196 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: editor in chief of course, of The Hill newspaper. You 197 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: can find all of their reporting at the Hill dot com. 198 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: So the China talks are flaring up. Meanwhile, Turkey, did 199 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: you see this? Turkey launched a ground incursion into Syria, 200 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 1: as the U S stands aside, Bob, the president has 201 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: received such forceful pushback from Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell 202 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: to UH, top Republicans and the House of Representatives obstruck 203 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: by really how aggressive Liz Liz Cheney has been at 204 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: the forefront of this criticism as well. Liz Cheney really emerging, 205 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: continuing to emerge as a dominant force within the House 206 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: Republican caucus. But is there anything really that House Republicans 207 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: and Congress can do, Bob, not really. I mean, I 208 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: would expect that House Democrats are gonna have try to 209 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: have some vote on this to put Republicans in an 210 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: awkward position of either supporting their president or not. And 211 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: of course a lot of Republicans, and you mentioned Cheney, 212 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: she may run for the Senate. If she runs in 213 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: the Senate, she's gonna have a contested primary against former 214 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: Congressman Cynthia Loomis. UH and Rampaul doesn't want Cheney in 215 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: in the Senate, so he's supporting Loomis. So going after 216 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 1: the president hurts you in a primary, without a doubt. 217 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: And but I was struck. I agree with you. I 218 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: was struck about how forceful the criticism was. But again, 219 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: it's not personally going after the president. It's just on 220 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: his policies, and at least on this one, this specific one. 221 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: Uh And and certainly Trump didn't like that, and you've 222 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: seen that with this Twitter feed. Isn't it so interesting, Ryan, 223 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,719 Speaker 1: just how Republicans over the last three years or so 224 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: have recalibrated. It's I disagree with the policy. I'm not 225 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 1: going after him publicly. I'm not going it's it's all 226 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: policy driven. It's what's funny to me is how much 227 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: their reaction to a lot of what Trump does is well, 228 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: I haven't seen the news the tweet as that. We're 229 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: not all carrying around a little machine in our pocket 230 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 1: that shows you the news that anytime you want social 231 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: media clean. So I've been good, but you could still 232 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: open it up and look up the news. Um, I 233 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: don't read the tweets, but when it's something like this, 234 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: they react and strongly, And I think that shows the 235 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: pressure points between Trump and the sort of traditional Republican 236 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: viewpoints on things like military cursions overseas. Um where those 237 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: pressure points remain, I just don't I I just think 238 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: and I remember one of the times you were on 239 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: this program when the similar announcement was made with regards 240 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: to troop withdrawal. I just don't think the American people 241 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: are used to such swift action overseas without some type 242 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: of plan being announced. Did he miss Did the president 243 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: miss an opportunity to use something I don't know, like 244 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: an oval office address or something of that caliber. We 245 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 1: know he doesn't like that, But to explain why, even 246 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 1: if you don't agree with it, why he decided to 247 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: pull back the troops and to forecast to the Kurds 248 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: essentially that the U s still has their back. Yeah, 249 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: I mean about a week ago, the coverage was basically 250 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: Turkey was saying, we're going in alright, or go and 251 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: so if if you guys, if the US wants to 252 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 1: be out of the danger zone, then you've got to 253 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: get out. There was a call between Urdwan and Trump. 254 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 1: We don't know the details of that, but obviously he 255 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: acted right after that call that politically, I think where 256 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: that the White House misstepped and certainly Trump did not 257 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: handle this the best way. There was no heads up 258 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: to anybody. Everyone was caught flat footed on this. Now, 259 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 1: maybe it's because if he tried to sell it, it 260 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna sell in his own party, But at the 261 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: same time that the carry through of this controversial policy 262 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: was not was not a good one. Just say, has 263 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: there ever been a heads up from Trump on anything? 264 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not I'm not being sarcastic here. I 265 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: mean he announced the policy on transgender troops by a tweet. Um, 266 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: he does a lot of this stuff by tweet. And 267 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: I think that he believes really and truly deep in 268 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: his core that being unpredictable is an asset that stilizing 269 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: people is. I mean, yeah, that he used to say 270 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: during the campaign that like we take we telegraph too 271 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: much what we're doing. The other the enemy can can 272 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: just watch the news and see and then respond to it. 273 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: And and he is living by that ethos. Take a 274 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: listen to what he said to that point, Ryan, which 275 00:14:58,280 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: is such a great point. Take a listen to what 276 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: President and Trump said earlier today about what he believes 277 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: would happen should Turkey and President aar Juan across the line. 278 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: Here is, I will wipe out his economy if that happens. 279 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: I've already done it once. So he says that he 280 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: would continue on with with sanctions with regards to Turkey. 281 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: But you know, then I hear from Senator Lindsey Graham 282 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: of Republican from South Carolina to Fox News. He didn't 283 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: like this one bit. Here's here's Senator Lindsey Graham. If 284 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: he follows through with this would be the biggest mistake 285 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: of his presidency. I would argue for him to go 286 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: back to the status quo. The Safe Songs were working 287 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: patrolling with Turkey and international forces to protect the curves, 288 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: and Turkey is the way to go. You know, I'm 289 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: struck by this, and and maybe I'm speaking out of 290 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: turn here. Maybe I shouldn't say this. Go ahead, yes 291 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: you say no. But I don't think people in Washington, 292 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: because you know, I think so much of the rhetoric 293 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: here in Washington is all Americans don't care about this 294 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: type of story. You know, they're they're glue to the peachment. 295 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: But you know, if you have a military family, if 296 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: you have a family that is impacted by the military. 297 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: You are impacted by this story, and and and the 298 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: and the the the effect that these types of decisions 299 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: have on the United States and troops all around the world. 300 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: You mentioned the transgender band, and obviously troop withdrawal is 301 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:23,359 Speaker 1: another type of story that has severe impacts on families 302 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: and service members all around the world. And Bob, I 303 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: think that we missed sometimes in Washington that outside of 304 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: here there is a swath of Americans, yes on the 305 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: left and yes on the right, who viewed troop withdrawal 306 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: as a positive. Oh. Absolutely, I mean there with whether 307 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: it's Afghanistan or Iraq, there's war weariness. However, at the 308 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: same time, the courage were fighting ISIS, and ISIS has 309 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: certainly been weakened. They're still there, and if they get 310 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: more powerful and they're able to launch an attack on 311 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: US allies or here in the United States, well then 312 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: it becomes is real and then it becomes why did 313 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: you do that? And there's a lot of second guessing. 314 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: And that's what basically Lindsay Graham, who is a Hawk, 315 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: as you know, is making the case. And that's the 316 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: that's the danger of what Trump is doing. But there 317 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: is a huge debate of yeah, bring him home, the 318 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: Rampaul part of the party, Yeah, and and and and 319 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: their Democrats and Republics on both sides of this issue. 320 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: But at the same time, people aren't voting on Syria policy. Yeah. 321 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: I think that's much more of a long term risk, 322 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: um that the Islamic State could regain ground or something 323 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: horrific could happen and then be traceable to this decision. Um. 324 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: I think a lot of the other things that have 325 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: gone on UM with the military have just been continuations 326 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: of things that were before that, and so there wasn't 327 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: that same level of responsibility. But if there is some 328 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: kind of mass slaughter of Kurds or something like that 329 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: next week, or if six months from now the Islamic 330 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: State regains ground or god knows what could happen, um, 331 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: then yes, this moment will then come up. And maybe 332 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 1: again this is out of term, but you know, it's 333 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: it's Wednesday. I'm feeling a little like, you know, uh, 334 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: just getting Christine Barada, our executive producer, just kidding, but 335 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: but I think I think people do want to hear 336 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: a clear articulation of what the commander in chiefs vision 337 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: is for these the Trump doctrine, the Trump doctrine. There 338 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: is Trump doctrine, but well there is but it but 339 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: it's there. But we don't have an actual doctrine. You 340 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: know what since at that point a literal doctrine and 341 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: the interpretation and the and the thinking of why the 342 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: troop withdrawal is happening and what was the decision making? 343 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: I mean, we all know this working in this business. 344 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: Where is the New York Times process story about all 345 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: the situation room of work that went in with regards 346 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 1: to them tracking things. You know remember when we when 347 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: we killed Osama bin Laden and there was all of 348 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: you know, you got an inside look. I think the 349 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: American people on both sides of the aisle want that 350 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: window into how these decisions are made. And President Trump 351 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: has calculated and decided that the unpredictability which got him 352 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: to the White House is something for him. Coming up, 353 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: Panel reacts to more policy and politics driving the day. 354 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: Download the Bloomberg Sound On podcast on Apple iTunes, at 355 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg dot com, or by downloading the Bloomberg Business App. 356 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: You can also find us on Radio dot com, I 357 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, and Spotify. I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent 358 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: from Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. You're listening to Bloomberg. 359 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg. Sound On with Kevin Sirel on 360 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: Bloomberg and one or five point seven a m h D. Two. 361 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent from Bloomberg Television and 362 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. We're talking all things twenty. We gotta talk 363 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: at Senator Bernie Sanders. Did you see this? Senator Bernie 364 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: Sanders facing questions about when he disclosed his heart attack. Yesterday, 365 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: Bloomberg News reported that that really essentially a couple of 366 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: days went by before after Senator Sanders had the heart 367 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: attack and then disclosed it, and now Senator Sanders is 368 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: speaking out. In an exclusive interview with NBC News is 369 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: Harry Sanders. Senator Bernie Sanders uh says that he quote 370 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: misspoke about scaling back rallies after his heart attack. He's 371 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: valuing a quote vigorous campaign and Uh. He pushes back 372 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: on the notion that he that he was not transparent 373 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: about his health, saying that the campaign quote acted appropriately 374 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: before disclosing he had a heart attack. Ryan C. Beck. 375 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: Ryan tige beckwith is here. He has Bloomberg News national 376 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: political reporter, as is Bob Cusack. He is the editor 377 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: in chief of The Hill newspaper. Bob, is this the 378 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: first the gloves coming off? So to speak against UH 379 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,719 Speaker 1: with the other candidates, against Senator Sanders? Well, I mean, 380 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: I I think to some degree, but the Sanders, I mean, 381 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 1: the initial us really said that the Senator experienced some discomfort. 382 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: And I've never, fortunately had had a heart attack, but 383 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: you don't say I'm experiencing discomfort. They did not reveal 384 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: as a heart attack. That was That was basically the 385 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: doctors who said that. A few days later. I actually 386 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: thought Sanders handled it well initially where he said listen 387 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: I I I didn't listen to my body, and I 388 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: need to scale back a bit. And I think he 389 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: became more human with that, and and certainly he's gotten 390 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 1: some some praise for that. But now I do think 391 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: he is also recognizing the danger of health scares to 392 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: candidates and he wants to tell everybody I'm back and 393 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: I'm going full born. He's the oldest candidate in this race. 394 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: He's seventy eight years old. I believe Elizabeth Moore and 395 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders, President Trump and Biden are all over over 396 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: the age of seventy. Ryan t back with uh. Elizabeth 397 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: Warren also facing some criticism in the past twenty four 398 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: hours for her saying that she was forced out of 399 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: a job when she was pregnant as a school but 400 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: she a school teacher when this jocher school teacher, and 401 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: she says that she was forced out of the job. 402 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: She's standing by that. Republicans are are questioning that timeline. 403 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: So Elizabeth Warren and Bernie standers under under little scrutiny 404 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: in the pastwardly four hours. I'm just gonna say that, 405 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: as an all male panel, we should all take a 406 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: deep breath before intoning on pregnancy discrimination, much less that 407 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: happened three years before I was born. UM. I think 408 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: that there's going to be The criticism is mostly centered 409 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 1: on her previous descriptions of why she didn't go back 410 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: to teaching, and whether those line up with what she's 411 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: now saying. UM. I think that there was an article 412 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: in a conservative newspaper which sort of attempted to say, 413 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: here's these records which show that which disproved her story. 414 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: I think that was a little bit overhyped. Um. Obviously, 415 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: no one wrote down fired because pregnant, you know. Ever, 416 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: but pregnancy discrimination is still a problem, was a problem 417 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: back then. Um. I personally have a family member who 418 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: was let go in the early eighties for basically the 419 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: same thing. Was just it was like, oh, you're pregnant, 420 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: you have to go. And that was after the Pregnancy 421 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: Discrimination Act was was passed. And that family member has 422 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: never even described that to me as pregnancy discrimination. Just 423 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: was was like, well, that's just how things were done. 424 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: So I think that the the there's two risks here. 425 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: There's a risk for Warren, um that you add this 426 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 1: to pocahonis you you know, and it becomes a an 427 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: al gore like Elizabeth Warren says a lot of things 428 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: and they're not true and uh, and she gets bogged 429 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: down trying to argue the specifics of each case, and 430 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: then it becomes kind of a she's not trustworthy thing. 431 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: There's also a risk though two Republicans in the current environment, 432 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: especially of just basically, you know, hand waving away like 433 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: I don't believe that you faced discrimination, um, when so 434 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: many women are so angry about not having been believed 435 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: about sexual harassment sexual misconduct. There's a new book out 436 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: with new allegations against President Trump. Like, I think that 437 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 1: you're talking ab there's another, but there's one. Next time, 438 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: I was like, I thought they were Yeah, so I 439 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: think that's playing with fire to get too aggressive on 440 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: like we don't believe you over the pregnancy. Al Right, 441 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: So Warren's under the microscope, Sanders is under the microscope. 442 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: Bob Zack, Joe Biden in Ukraine, he's under the microscope. 443 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: I it feels like we're entering into a new phase 444 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: of the of the Democratic primary. We are at the 445 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 1: same time. And I'm sorry to interrupts you. Also, Saturday 446 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: Night Live is making fun of all of them. I 447 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: watched that ten minutes get from over the weekend. That 448 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: Kabala Harris bit was hilarious. That was pretty good. That 449 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: was pretty good when that when that showed his politics, 450 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: it's quite good. Listen, the Democrats are not going to 451 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: talk about this Warren latest war in controversy. Democrats certainly 452 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: publicly publicly, they're not gonna go after us, right, They're 453 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: not going after Sanders health, certainly at the debate, and 454 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: they're not going to go after they've defended Biden on 455 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: the Ukraine controversy. But these are all things that Trump 456 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: is or has been talking about, and that's gonna hurt 457 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: in a general election. And I think the Warren the 458 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: American Indian Heritage thing that was kind of that was 459 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: a bit of a disaster for Elizabeth Warren. This I 460 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: think is different. This did happen in nineteen seventy one, 461 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: and I think she's come out very forcefully, running a 462 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: sharp campaigne and you can make the argument that she 463 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: is handling this issue better than Biden in Ukraine. More 464 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: Democrats that we've talked to want Biden out there saying, 465 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: how you dare you go after my family. He's done 466 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: some of that, but they heat that they feel like 467 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: he needs to do more of that, because remember, Biden 468 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: has big argument is I can beat Trump. Warren's controversies 469 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: do hammer away. Because you talked to Democrats. I'm sure 470 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: you've talked to Democrats outside the Beltway who really don't 471 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: like Trump at all, and they're nervous about Warren. But 472 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: they're also I got to be very careful here, but 473 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: they're also uh, maybe not as motivated to vote for 474 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: Joe Biden. That's right. No, the passion is there for 475 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: Wren and that's that's a Biden problem because crowd size 476 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: does make a difference, as we saw in Remember some 477 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 1: people in the media would say, oh, well, in these 478 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: people will show up in Wisconsin, never neote, They'll wait 479 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: in line for four hours, but they're not going to 480 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: go vote. Okay, the two degree weather and they're not 481 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: gonna spend those rallies and it was like very cold 482 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: or very hot because there was never heat. But anyway, 483 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: all right, good stuff. Panel stays coming up. What's on 484 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: their radar? We zip around the world and up to 485 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: Wall Street. What's the Central Bank saying about the potential 486 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: for another economic slowdown? Panel stays Bob q Zack, the 487 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: editor in chief of The Hill newspaper. Ryan Tigue back 488 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 1: with Bloomberg News Polity, National Politics Reporter. Download the Bloomberg 489 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: Sound on podcasts on Apple, itchuines, and Bloomberg dot com, 490 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: or by downloading the Bloomberg Business app. You can also 491 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: find us on Radio dot Com, I Heart Radio, oh 492 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: and Spotify. I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg 493 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: Television and Bloomberg Radio. You're listening to Bloomberg This is 494 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Shirley on Bloomberg and one 495 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: All five points seven F M H D two. I'm 496 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. 497 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: My guests with me for the hour, The Hills Editor 498 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: in chief Bob Czack. You can find all their reporting 499 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 1: on The Hill dot com. And my colleague, Bloomberg News 500 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: national political reporter Ryan Teague beckwith all right, it's time 501 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: for what's on your radar? I've got FED chair J. 502 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: Powell on my radar. He says that a rise in 503 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: American workplace automation could exacerbate inequality in the coming decades, 504 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: not between robots and humans, but between the one percent 505 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 1: and everybody else. He says this during a FED lessons 506 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: event at the Kansas City FED. Quote, are we entering 507 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: into one of those periods where a lot of what 508 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: is now work can be done much more efficiently through automation? 509 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: And will that have really challenging distributional consequences at least 510 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: for a few decades. That could be the case. The 511 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: part of this we control, though, is getting people the 512 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: skills and talent and aptitudes that they need to be 513 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 1: able to benefit from technology and quote, you know, so 514 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: much of what we talked about, so much of the 515 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: contours of this race as it relates to cities and 516 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: urban planning as well as the heartland in the United States, 517 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: Bob as it's all about the rise and automation, whether 518 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: we're talking about trade policy, whether we're talking about environmental policy, 519 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,959 Speaker 1: the rise in automation and whether or not coal industry, uh, 520 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: the rise in automation and whether or not American workers 521 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: are going to be prepared for that, and both parties 522 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: really debating that, uh in Layman's terms. Yeah, and it's 523 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: a it's a huge issue that in the next ten 524 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: fifteen years of technology improves, what is how is that 525 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: going to affect the workforce? You mentioned Cole that was 526 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: a huge issue in and it was something that Trump 527 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: liked to talk about. UM. But it's it's something that 528 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: is going to be a huge, i think underrated issue 529 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: in the years to come. So the other big story today, 530 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: of course, from from the Fed world, is that the 531 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: federal Federal Reserve officials began debating how far their current 532 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: interest rate cutting campaign should extend, even as they agreed 533 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: to lower rates and response to growing risks to the 534 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: US economy. I'm reading from Christopher Conduns reporting on the 535 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: Bloomberg terminal uh, which is just really fascinating because the 536 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: backdrop the meeting minutes that that we got. The backdrop 537 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: to all of this is, of course, the president's attacks 538 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: on unfed shared J Powell, So his his memoir. Now 539 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: there's a book I can't wait to reafed share J. 540 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: Powell because his his take on all of this. As 541 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: long as it's not written like a typical FEDS, You're 542 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: gonna get me in so much trouble. Ryan, Which is 543 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: why I love having you on because you always bring 544 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: out the real being because you're right. I mean, we 545 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: do want to hear from a central I covered a 546 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: good editor though when Larry Summers, when Larry Summers was 547 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: deemed was criticized as being too outspoken to be fed chaired, 548 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: remember that, and then Janet Yellen got the got the 549 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: head spot all right? So J Pal's on my radar today? 550 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: Who's on your What's on your radar? Like, honestly, if 551 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: it doesn't have the word Trump and Ukraine in it, 552 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: it's I just I am so in this knee deep 553 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: in this what's an aspect of the Ukraine story that 554 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: that has come out? I actually I spent you can 555 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: look for this tomorrow morning on your Bloomberg terminal, but 556 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: I spent all day reading old tray gouty comments about 557 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: process um. And he had a habit when he was 558 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: in charge of the House Oversight Committee and at other 559 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: times in his career of making starting with a sweeping 560 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: statement of principle like the Executive branch should provide documents 561 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: to Congress, and then delving into the particulars of why 562 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: he was upset with the Obama administration on this or 563 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,959 Speaker 1: that issue. And some of these comments are not going 564 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: to be his friend as he tries to argue for 565 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: Trump's position in the impeachment angle. I think it's a 566 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: smart choice, though I mean that that's an opinion. I 567 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: don't really like to give opinion, But I think Corey 568 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: the Wyandowski or trade Gaudy, right, who would you? Oh? 569 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: I mean I think that for this phase, yes, fighting 570 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: uh fighting a house basically a House oversight uh inquiry 571 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: with someone who knows how house right. Yeah, but if 572 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,239 Speaker 1: it goes to a Senate trial, he's going to need 573 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: somebody different. It's interesting. It is interesting, and I still 574 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: get the sense from the Republicans that I talked with 575 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: up on the Hill and the staffers. I don't want 576 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: to say, they're not taking it serious seriously, but they're 577 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: not freaking out over it, which is really interesting to me. 578 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: But I think that the Gaudy thing, it is a 579 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: very interesting issue because he also took some heat from 580 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,959 Speaker 1: Trump allies, including Sean Hannity, for pushing back on Spygate. 581 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: He has not been with Trump on some big issues, 582 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: and so I think it's a it's an unusual high. 583 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: Remember Trade Gaudy when he retired from congres said I'm 584 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: tired of politics. Well, I'm gonna go home to South Carolina. 585 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: He hasn't quite done that yet, all right, So that's 586 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: the Trade Gouty's on your radar. Thanks for a right, Bob. 587 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: What's on your radar? I think it's NBA China story 588 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: is fascinating, and I I know I'm a big sports fan, 589 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: I didn't know how big the NBA is in China. 590 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: The head of the Chinese basketball right and used to 591 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: play for the Houston Rockets, And that was the controversy 592 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: with the general manager of the Rockets started this. He 593 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: sent out this tweet supporting Hong Kong protesters and then 594 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: it became an international incident. Now, the other sports aren't 595 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: as big as as China, so the NBA fumbled a 596 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: bit handling this. But but they also are stuck because 597 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: China is very upset about this and it comes down 598 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: to money and we're seeing the NBA. This is gonna 599 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: be an ongoing story in the weeks to come because 600 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: as the NBA has to straddle the signe, they don't 601 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: want to lose their audience in China. It's a bit 602 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: risky for China because if if China says, okay, we're 603 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: gonna shut off the NBA, it a lot of NBA 604 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: fans apparently in China. So just to catch everybody up, 605 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: the other day, you had the general manager of the 606 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: Houston Rockets tweet out a picture that's essentially says stand 607 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: with Hong Kong against China with regards to the protests. 608 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: They had to delete the tweet. China backs out of 609 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: all of their arrangements with the NBA. And it's interesting 610 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: because as the Chinese delegation is set to come to 611 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: the United States to meet with Treasury Secretary manution U 612 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: s Trade Representative Lightheiser tomorrow and Friday, and we've been 613 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: covering the roller coaster with regards to those negotiations. The 614 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: perception here in the US is that President She has 615 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: a thorn in his side with the Hong Kong protests. 616 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: The perception in Beijing as President Trump has a thorn 617 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: in his side with impeachment. Both sides are saying no, 618 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: not so fast. President Trump, though, to Bob's point, was 619 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: asked about this just this afternoon. We don't even have 620 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: the sound bite card, but we do have the verb, 621 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: the verb as we call in the industry. Uh and 622 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: he says. He was asked by a reporter within the 623 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: last hour, are you okay with the Chinese government pressuring 624 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: the NBA over Hong Kong. President Trump answered, quote, they 625 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: have to work out their own situation. The NBA. They 626 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: know what they are doing. But I watched the way 627 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: that I'm paraphrasing the leadership, not paraphrasing anymore. We're pandering 628 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: to China and yet to our own country. It is 629 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: like they do not respect it. It is like they 630 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: don't respect it. I said, what a difference. It is 631 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 1: very sad to me, it is very sad. End quote. 632 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: It's interesting he's insinuating an NFL season that the NBA 633 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: and other sports leagues haven't been as standing with him 634 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: as he would have liked. My thanks to Ryan t 635 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: backwith my thanks to the Hills, Bob Cusack. That does 636 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: it for me. I'm Kevin Cereli, Chief Washington correspondent from 637 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio, and you are listening to 638 00:34:51,360 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: Bloomberg One anyone