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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Nol.

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Speaker 4: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with

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Speaker 4: our super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fakean. Most importantly,

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Speaker 4: you aregute you are here. That makes this the stuff

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Speaker 4: they don't want you to know. If you are listening

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Speaker 4: the evening this program comes out. Welcome to November twenty first,

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Speaker 4: hurtling headlong toward Thanksgiving here in the States, and we

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Speaker 4: couldn't be more excited to bring you our weekly listener

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Speaker 4: mail segment. We're going to have some follow up on

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Speaker 4: wild animals, we are going to have follow up on

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Speaker 4: expired food and gosh, before we get into any of that,

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Speaker 4: we've been talking about the election recently here in the US,

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Speaker 4: and guys, just quick gut check it was right, wasn't

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Speaker 4: it to point out the weird stuff Russian government is

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Speaker 4: saying to the president election.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, it's something that we've been hearing thrown around for

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Speaker 5: a long time, and to have somebody that close to

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Speaker 5: the head of Russia say something like that is you

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Speaker 5: can't ignore it.

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Speaker 4: Oh jeez. All right, well I appreciate that before the

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Speaker 4: undersea internet cables that make this show possible do get sabotaged,

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Speaker 4: We're going to do a cold open and then we're

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Speaker 5: And we returned with our first piece of listener mail

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Speaker 5: today coming to us from Bones. Ben. You set it

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Speaker 5: up perfectly. This is pertaining to the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 5: presidential election, and let's just jump right in Bones here.

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Speaker 5: I've been on TikTok lately trying to be skeptical, and

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Speaker 5: I keep running into stories about Elon Musk's company, Starlink,

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Speaker 5: being used to keep ballot machines connected to Wi Fi

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Speaker 5: conflict of interest, which is combined with several other factors

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Speaker 5: to make some liberals think something is afoot. The evidence

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Speaker 5: I've seen includes aforementioned Starlink connection, Elon Musk saying in

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Speaker 5: an interview that he's ft if Trump loses, and joking

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Speaker 5: about how much prison time.

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Speaker 3: He would receive.

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Speaker 5: Trump allegedly being in touch with a government official in Georgia,

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Speaker 5: not your home state, the European nation Trump appearing to

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Speaker 5: discourage his voters from voting, telling them quote, he doesn't

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Speaker 5: need votes. We have the votes, don't bother with voting.

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Speaker 5: We don't need votes. Found on NBC clip addressing this,

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Speaker 5: Democratic officials seemingly hinting to not give up hope yet

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Speaker 5: scores of alleged Democrat voters saying they checked the online

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Speaker 5: to register to vote. This was people who were registered

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Speaker 5: people were putting this together with a supposedly low Democratic

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Speaker 3: I don't know, as much as it would make me.

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Speaker 5: Feel better to believe that Trump, with Musk's help and

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Speaker 5: pressure from Putin, stole the election, every accusation is a

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Speaker 5: confession or whatever. I also don't want to fall victim

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Speaker 3: If we are sore.

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Speaker 5: Losers, we're just as bad as the people we've tried

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Speaker 5: to condemn. Also, Kamala's campaign only ran for about one

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Speaker 5: choose her as our Democratic candidate, and I've seen some

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Speaker 5: perspectives discussing why her campaign strategies didn't work on.

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Speaker 3: Conservatives, so I feel conflicted.

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Speaker 5: I know it's still early, since it's only been seven

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Speaker 5: maybe do any deeper digging into any of these theories

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Speaker 5: to disprove or maybe even prove them. Looking forward to

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Speaker 5: your insight and trying to remain neutral and undecided on

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Speaker 5: how to react. Again, as much as it might make

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Speaker 5: me feel better to believe it was rigged, this may

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Speaker 5: which case we have a lot of reevaluating to do.

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Speaker 5: Day and week, and I hope this is something you'll

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Speaker 5: awesome and have helped me a lot this past week

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Speaker 5: with your level headed, rational conversations and cheerful banter. Keep

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Speaker 5: on saying, feel free to read some or all of

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Speaker 5: this on the air. I know it's long, but either way,

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Speaker 5: thanks for your time. Love Bones, guys right off the rip.

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Speaker 5: I just want to point to a really pretty cool

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Speaker 5: theories are exploding on X this time they're coming from

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Speaker 5: the left. Conspiracy theories about missing votes which are not

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Speaker 5: it sums up kind of this whole conundrum perfectly. One

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Speaker 5: of them comes from a former Biden administration disinformations are

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Speaker 5: who is now the CEO of the America Sunlight Project,

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Speaker 5: Nina Jankowick's who had this to say. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 5: whether baseless allegations about voting irregularities come from the right

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Speaker 5: and dis engagement. These drop offs in trust take decades

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Speaker 5: that have been attempting to rebuild trust in the system

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Speaker 5: since the nineties. We should all be wary of these allegations,

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Speaker 5: no matter their source. And honestly, you know, this is

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Speaker 5: kind of disinformation commiseration, disinformation commiseration. How could it possibly

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Speaker 5: lot of the Trump campaign's rhetoric and policy suggestions are

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Speaker 5: would seem that the big takeaway of the day by many,

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Speaker 5: I hope I've made this clear. I am not a

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Speaker 5: It's it's an f you to the Democrats for running

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Speaker 4: It's a very unsuccessful center right party.

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Speaker 3: Bones.

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Speaker 4: I'd like to respond to Nole's questions by first thanking

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Speaker 4: you so much for taking the time to write and

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Speaker 4: list off some of the evidence that you're seeing and

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Speaker 4: you're listening to quite objectively. One note we would have

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Speaker 4: there is that a bit confusing President elect Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: did contact an official Ben Raethisberger in the US state

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Speaker 4: of Georgia, I think around twenty twenty, looking for eleven

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Speaker 4: So that may be a bit of a crossed wire,

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Speaker 4: but perhaps the most important thing to remember. And I

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Speaker 4: now oddly similar, they seem to other allegations in the past,

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Speaker 4: right with different political parties winning. I want to draw

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Speaker 4: attention to an episode we did years ago, which I

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Speaker 4: would typify as a sleeper hit. It's about the foundations

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Speaker 4: of geopolitics, which is one of the guiding bibles for

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Speaker 4: Russian disinformation and for the larger aim you could say,

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Speaker 4: of the Putin regime. The Foundations of geopolitics teaches us

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Speaker 4: that the goal of disinformation from foreign powers, as applied

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Speaker 4: definitely true. If you already have a very successful disinfo apparatus,

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Speaker 4: you're not going to just turn it off because an

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Speaker 4: election cycle moved, you're just going to you know, It's

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Speaker 4: and that's part of why we're seeing that. I would

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Speaker 4: election conspiracy theories that your note Noll are, by beat

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Speaker 4: very similar to what was alleged previously. Now the teams

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I'm not trying to be dismissive to anybody,

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Speaker 5: To what degree these influenced the actual outcome of the election,

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Speaker 3: I can't speak to that, and Ben, I know.

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Speaker 5: That you feel maybe a little more strongly that these campaigns,

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Speaker 5: these Fox campaigns had a much more substantial effect on

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Speaker 4: What do you think it met?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I've got just two specific things on here.

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Speaker 2: The first one is, did you guys see Bill Burr

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Speaker 2: it's a somebody who can bring everybody together right, no

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Speaker 2: matter how you felt after an election. Bill Burr similar figure,

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and he was on it several times in hilarious sketches. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this spot. He was mentioning that this campaign has felt

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Speaker 2: like it's gone on forever, and he was questioning whether

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Speaker 4: Voter, right, the mythical unicorn.

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Speaker 2: Because he was saying, basically, everyone knew who they were

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Speaker 2: going to vote for before either of the major campaigns

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Speaker 2: Exactly what you're saying, Ben. So it does feel like

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Speaker 5: And it's also just the level of division and heat,

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Speaker 4: To foundations of geopolitics. Just makes me crazy, all of it,

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Speaker 2: It makes me wonder. Guys, just going back to that

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Speaker 4: Well, what are you gonna do pay for healthcare?

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Speaker 4: There's a whole war about it, not at that point yet,

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Speaker 4: So hopefully we can remember everybody hearing this, everybody living

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Speaker 5: Yes, you know what I mean, Yes, rally around that.

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Speaker 2: How is the US? And I agree with you, the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, the phoenix dies and is reborn. Right,

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Speaker 4: Yes, and I promised they wouldn't do any more porn parodies,

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Speaker 4: And this is a conversation a lot of people are having.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, oh yeah, one hundred and thank you Bones

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Speaker 7: Hey, guys, this is old Mickayla from Arkansas. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 7: it's Collin about that squirrel thing. Right.

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna freak out if they try to raid my

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I know like ten people with different pets. I

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Speaker 7: I know all people with crazy animals. I don't. I

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Speaker 2: love that reaction. So he tries to come into my

440
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Speaker 2: house and take my squirrel.

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Speaker 4: I heard the italics. Thank you, Michael.

442
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Speaker 3: My squirrel from my cold dead fingers, you know.

443
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Speaker 2: Man, and we talked in the episode where we discussed

444
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Speaker 2: Peanut and nol Uh, we talked a little bit about

445
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Speaker 2: why you can't have a squirrel, or at least the

446
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 2: reasoning behind the raid, right.

447
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 5: We also talked a lot about how there were some

448
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 5: suspicious circumstances that did make this feel like government overreach

449
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 5: and the targeting of an individual who has also had

450
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Speaker 5: a pretty high profile.

451
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Speaker 3: In the world of Internet adult content.

452
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Speaker 2: Exactly did we go over some of the other like

453
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Speaker 2: wild animals that may be kept as pets.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe so.

455
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 4: I think it's a great tice state.

456
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Speaker 2: It does go state by state, and the squirrel thing

457
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 2: is really interesting. I think maybe we pulled up the

458
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Speaker 2: official map. There's a map on World Population Review. I

459
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 2: think we talked about that. How like here in Georgia

460
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 2: it's illegal to own a squirrel, but in Florida it

461
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 2: is totally legal. In Arkansas it is legal to own

462
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Speaker 2: a squirrel, but not in Kentucky. So just go go

463
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Speaker 2: a little bit further, maybe crossover a river, and now

464
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Speaker 2: you can't own a squirrel.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Also, you'll run into concurrent policies regarding what are

466
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Speaker 4: called exotic animals, that would often be the non domesticated animals.

467
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Speaker 4: We talked a little bit about a tame animal versus

468
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Speaker 4: a domesticated animal. Most animals are wild, I would say,

469
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 4: including the human ones, but the domesticated animals are a

470
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Speaker 4: very small subset of the natural world. It's a fascinating story.

471
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Speaker 4: But you can have to your point. Pretty much anything

472
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Speaker 4: that is not considered a domesticated animal is considered an

473
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Speaker 4: exotic animal. And you have to go state by state.

474
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Speaker 4: There's a great use of world ometer, I think. Also

475
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Speaker 4: Forbes had a pretty surprisingly good article on state by

476
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Speaker 4: state restrictions there. So sorry to everybody in let's see Delaware.

477
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Speaker 4: Sorry Delaware, the laws are kind of stringent for you guys.

478
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Speaker 2: Well, we'll check this out. MICHAELA mentioned raccoons right in

479
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 2: the message I got somebodyho owns a raccoon, Well you can.

480
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Speaker 2: You can own a raccoon in Arkansas, which is good

481
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Speaker 2: to know. Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Indiana, Michigan, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania,

482
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Speaker 2: Rhode Island, South Carolina, Texas, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. And raccoons

483
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Speaker 2: seemed awesome.

484
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Speaker 4: Trash pandas I love them. They're little bandits, weird little hands.

485
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 4: You're always washing their hands money money burn style. Yeah,

486
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 4: raby stuff is a bummer. We got a great we

487
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Speaker 4: got a great uh. We got several great pieces of

488
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Speaker 4: correspondence about the importance of rabies, which we will probably

489
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Speaker 4: have to wait till next week to get to. To

490
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Speaker 4: your point, Matt and to your question, old Mikayla. Uh.

491
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Speaker 4: We had a lot of people who had very different

492
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Speaker 4: reactions to this. A lot of veterinarians are, you know,

493
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Speaker 4: clearly centered on the sorry and tragic saga of Peanut,

494
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Speaker 4: But a lot of other people are say, you know

495
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Speaker 4: exactly what you said. I found the squirrel. I can't

496
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Speaker 4: have the squirrel, and I can't get to you know,

497
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 4: I can't look down my snout at this because I

498
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Speaker 4: am neighbors with a murder of crews that I've befriended.

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Speaker 3: And when you don't keep him in the house, you

500
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Speaker 3: don't let him in the house.

501
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Speaker 4: Though you know, they don't want them to know too

502
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Speaker 4: much about the fair.

503
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Speaker 5: They comes too clever And when you open your arms

504
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 5: like the like the what is it clever?

505
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Speaker 3: The night King?

506
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Speaker 2: You know, cheez, I think that's in the crow bylaws.

507
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 2: It just says one cannot own a crow.

508
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Speaker 5: And sometimes if the sink so bad has happened, a

509
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 5: crow will carry that soul back. O.

510
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Speaker 3: Wait, never mind, know that's a a movie thing.

511
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Speaker 4: You don't own a cat either. It just sort of

512
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 4: agrees to exploit you for a while. But if you

513
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Speaker 4: are interested in the federal level legislation, because we've said

514
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 4: a lot of this stuff is state by state, you'll

515
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Speaker 4: want to look at two things. The Animal Welfare Act,

516
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 4: which said the rules and regulations of how animals should

517
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Speaker 4: be cared for basically the foundation of what constitutes animal cruelty.

518
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Speaker 4: And then yeah, spoiler, it doesn't apply to livestock, dude.

519
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 4: But then there's the Lacy Act, which says you can't

520
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 4: you know, it governs the kind of wildlife you can

521
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 4: import to the states.

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00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 5: Where where does that distinction exist between like, it's okay

523
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 5: to murder cows in factory farming, but kiddies are off limits.

524
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 5: Where does does that codified somewhere?

525
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 3: Is that what you're talking I've always.

526
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 4: Went Animal Welfare Act?

527
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, but who who decides that?

528
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Speaker 2: Me the one.

529
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Speaker 4: Not the animals. Yeah, I don't think the cows got

530
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Speaker 4: the vote.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, the leaders in Arkansas have decided that

532
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 2: you are allowed to own up to six individual Bobcats.

533
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 2: Are you guys familiar with what a bobcat is?

534
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Speaker 3: Murderous beasts?

535
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 4: Yes, very well, not carnally.

536
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 6: Very well.

537
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 4: Did you get pounced upon? Ben have some encounters? Yeah?

538
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 3: Well no, they will you up, that's for sure.

539
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, well if they if if a Bobcat is messing

540
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 4: with you, you've done something wrong.

541
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Speaker 3: Bobcat gold wait here, this is very different.

542
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 4: No, I trust him. If I was in an argument,

543
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Speaker 4: if somebody told me that Bobcat gold Weight did something

544
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 4: terrible to them, my next question would be, what did

545
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 4: you do to bob You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Was it Ozark where they had bobcats? I think I

547
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: think in Ozark they had.

548
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Speaker 3: Bobcats the region the show, the show. I want to

549
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:29,479
Speaker 3: say that you might be right.

550
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 4: I don't recall that particularly.

551
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 5: But you know that would be considered by most accounts

552
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 5: an exotic pat right, like some type type stuff.

553
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 4: Because they're not domesticated exactly.

554
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Speaker 2: You can get permits in a couple of places, but

555
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Speaker 2: Arkansas is like, yeah, you can have six.

556
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 3: I guess yeah.

557
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Speaker 4: If you typically if someone has in veterinarian experts in

558
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 4: the field. Don't get don't get mad at us. We're

559
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 4: not giving you our personal opinions. We're giving you the

560
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 4: laws as they stand state by state. For a lot

561
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Speaker 4: of people who raise bobcats an attempt to tape them,

562
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 4: they rescue them from a young age. Something very bad

563
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 4: has happened to the bobcats caregivers, to their natural bobcat parents,

564
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 4: in their natural habitat. What's interesting about this, Matt, remind

565
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 4: me if I'm incorrect here. From what I remember about bobcats,

566
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 4: they like many other felids, are not pack animals. They're solitary.

567
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 4: So how do you have six individual ones?

568
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Speaker 2: Well, you're I'm assuming, attempting to always replace your bobcats

569
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Speaker 2: with new bobcats as you maybe sell them to other people.

570
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 4: Oh, it's a bobcat mill.

571
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: It was, well, I can't look, guys. I'm going by

572
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Speaker 2: what I learned in Ozark, where they attempt.

573
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Speaker 3: Okay, it is it is bobcats.

574
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: They attempted to breed bobcats, but they got all females,

575
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: so they were unsuccessful.

576
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 5: And it was a joke because it was like, your

577
00:29:51,880 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 5: dumb ass, you got all females yeah, the spicy blonde, right, Yeah.

578
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 3: Yes, guys.

579
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Speaker 2: There's a whole other part of Michaela's voicemail that we're

580
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: not going to go into, but it was all about

581
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: Walmarts and food waste, and specifically like expired foods. We've

582
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: talked about before on this show, talk about all these

583
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: major companies that just throw stuff out in the back.

584
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Speaker 2: That's how you get this concept of someone who's a

585
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Speaker 2: freakin someone who will go around to the back exactly

586
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: and not have to pay for food. You just get

587
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: there's so much food back there and it just expired,

588
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: so you know, some employees had to just take it

589
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: off the shelf. Well, we sell by date, by the way, it.

590
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Speaker 3: Doesn't immediately rot when that date.

591
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: Very good point. But there's also things like, you know,

592
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 2: bananas get a little too brown while sitting there on

593
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: the store, so they get rid of them, or you know,

594
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of mold found growing on let's

595
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: say the strawberries or other berries or things.

596
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 5: Where there's cheese with mold, which was yes, sorry, I'm

597
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 5: thinking of the Mister Beasts debacle where they've got moldy

598
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 5: cheese and these kits is such.

599
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 4: A huge problem I'm glad we're at least gonna mention

600
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 4: it here, because you can get arrested for distributing free food.

601
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,479
Speaker 4: That's happened to me in the past. You can skirt

602
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 4: with the law on that. There are, obviously there are

603
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 4: good reasons to require licensing and oversight. But the food

604
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 4: waste in the United States is egregious and tremendously evil.

605
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 4: I am under the impression, or at least when I'm

606
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 4: spoken with legal experts about this, I'm under the impression

607
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 4: that the reason that food waste is not distributed to

608
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Speaker 4: the needy or the hungry there are a lot of

609
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 4: people who are hungry in the US, is because it

610
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 4: might run the risk of incurring legal liability.

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00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 3: True.

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00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: Yes, but if you're a behemoth like Walmart, which old

613
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: Michaela goes into extensively, you can donate. You can set

614
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: up a pretty extensive donation program for certain types like

615
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: categories of food, which they do, which weirdly props to

616
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Speaker 2: Walmart Art. I'm reading in Axios about and it's from

617
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: northwest Arkansas, so like this is directly applicable maybe or

618
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: at least closely applicable to Michaela's experience. They are not

619
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Speaker 2: only donating a lot of food. They've put these pretty

620
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: cool new machines into their system where all of the

621
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: food waste goes out through this machine that then gets

622
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: it separates the packaging. It says ninety seven percent of

623
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 2: the packaging gets separated from other foods, you know, or

624
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 2: the actual food product. Then most of that becomes recyclable

625
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: materials for things like soil and like nutrient rich stuff

626
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: that can actually grow more food rather than just going

627
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: into you know, the dump and creating methane and doing

628
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: all that terrible stuff that dumps do.

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Speaker 4: Or feeding raccoons. That's also part of it.

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Speaker 2: There you go, and if you're in Arkansas, those raccoons

631
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: are good to go, and you could put them in

632
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Speaker 2: your house if you want.

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Speaker 4: I hate to say it, but their hands are probably

634
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 4: cleaner than most of ours listening to the show today.

635
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 4: They wash them a lot. You're right, they might have

636
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 4: a mental thing.

637
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, OCD raccoons.

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00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: Well, anyway, if you want to check this out, the

639
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Speaker 2: Axios article we found is titled Walmart tackles food waste

640
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 2: with new tech, written by Worth Sparkman, and it isn't

641
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: from that long agos July thirtieth, twenty twenty four, so

642
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: this is pretty recent stuff. Check that out if you're interested.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much Old MICHAELA for writing in for

644
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: your experience and your attitudes generally around somebody coming in

645
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: and taking your dang pet squirrel.

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Speaker 4: And we've returned for one more piece of listener mail.

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Speaker 4: We've had a fascinating correspondence a lot of response to

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Speaker 4: our stories about how human animals encounter other animals, especially

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Speaker 4: the ones that are not considered domestic. Have we talked

650
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 4: a little bit about the difference between tamed wild animal

651
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Speaker 4: versus a domesticated animal. There are actually very few types

652
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Speaker 4: of non human animals that are considered domesticated in the world.

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Speaker 4: We are grateful to a conspiracy realist who wrote into us.

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Speaker 4: We had you know, as you guys know, talking with

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Speaker 4: our pal Anonymous owl. Anonymous Owl has veterinarian experience. VET

656
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Speaker 4: tech works often with situations similar to those we described

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Speaker 4: involving our pal, Peanut the squirrel. Do we want to

658
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Speaker 4: give a quick recap on Peanut for anybody who's wondering.

659
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Speaker 5: Just that it was essentially a rescue squirrel that a

660
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 5: gentleman living in upstate New York had in his home.

661
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Speaker 3: Apparently a neighbor or.

662
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Speaker 5: Some Luki Lou reported this squirrel, and then a department

663
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Speaker 5: that deals with wild an animals essentially came in conducted

664
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Speaker 5: a raid on the home, wherein they confiscated Peanut the

665
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Speaker 5: squirrel and Fred the raccoon, and ultimately euthanized them both

666
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 5: while testing for rabies, because that is apparently the only

667
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 5: way that you can test for that.

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Speaker 4: Great summation there, Noel, here's the letter we received or

669
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 4: what of the letters? Because this is a correspondence, be

670
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 4: well aware of folks. Sometimes the void writes back. Anonymous

671
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 4: Owl hipped us to this by saying, dear dudes, you're

672
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 4: more than welcome to share my perspective if you'd like.

673
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 4: I did empathize with the idea that Mark, the human

674
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 4: owner captor partner of Peanut the squirrel, had run into

675
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 4: difficulty finding someone to take the squirrel, but I am

676
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 4: not sure if he was trying to contact wildlife centers

677
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 4: or just local animal shelters who would not have been

678
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 4: able or allowed to take the squirrel. And Anonymous Owl continues, again,

679
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 4: we're taking excerpts from multiple pieces or passages of correspondence.

680
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 4: Anonymous Awl says where I am, the closest wildlife rehabilitation

681
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 4: center is at least fifty miles from me. I took

682
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 4: a turtle there once, which I found on the road

683
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 4: with a broken shell. Side note, turtles are extremely territorial,

684
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 4: and if you take one to be rehabilitated, they ask

685
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 4: you to come back and drop it off in close

686
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 4: proximity to where you found it. Otherwise it will try

687
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 4: to get back there and that can be quite dangerous.

688
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 4: So a little bit of myth busting around turtles. I

689
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 4: didn't know turtles are territorial.

690
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 2: No, I didn't know that either.

691
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 4: I remember snapping turtles. There's some you know, FAFO type animals.

692
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just trying to imagine. I've seen those videos

693
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 2: of I don't know if it's like a box turtle

694
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Speaker 2: or something like that. I only know the native Georgia

695
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Speaker 2: ones that I've run into, and like a couple of

696
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 2: tortoise species that I've seen, but the ones that like

697
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 2: will slam their shell into stuff, like put poke their

698
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 2: little head back in and slam their shell Like Is

699
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 2: that how you defend your territory as a turtle.

700
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Speaker 4: Right right? Also common misconception that is not just dumb

701
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 4: exoskeleton on a turtle's body. They are able to feel

702
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 4: impact or attack on their shells, so be kind to turtles.

703
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 4: We also asked Anonymous Owl whether they would be interested

704
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 4: in providing quote, a brief step by step process on

705
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 4: how the average human should proceed when encountering an injured

706
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 4: animal in the wild, and oof, we got a good guide.

707
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 4: Here we go injured wild animals. Number one. If you

708
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 4: encounter an injured wild animal, the first thing you should

709
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 4: do is contact your state's Department of Natural Resources, not

710
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 4: a shelter. Chances are, Anonymous Owl says they can direct

711
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 4: you to a wildlife rescue or rehabilitations. Here at Maryland

712
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 4: it is Wildlife Services, which has a toll free number.

713
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 4: Anonymous Owl also mentions that as much as PEDA can

714
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 4: be a controversial organization, it does provide a state by

715
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 4: state resource list of contacts to make when you find

716
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 4: a wild animal and will round robin this because it's

717
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 4: a bit long, but it is important for all of

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Speaker 4: us listening. Number one continues, Do not try to take

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Speaker 4: the animal anywhere on your own. As we know, there

720
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Speaker 4: is an ever growing number of pathogens that can jump

721
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 4: from animal to human aka zoonautic and can cause all

722
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Speaker 4: kinds of havoc. Depending upon the type of injury, you

723
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 4: could end up causing more harm than help, much like

724
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 4: trying to move someone if you don't know they have

725
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 4: a broken spine, etc. And then also, of course the

726
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 4: all caps note, the risk of rabies is always present

727
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 4: in a mammal in a wild mammal, So if you

728
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 4: see a mammal acting in an anomalous way we're summarizing here,

729
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 4: unusual behavior can be a sign of rabies or chronic

730
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Speaker 4: wasting disease. Contact your state's wildlife department. Let's go to

731
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Speaker 4: number two. If someone can hop on the steering wheel

732
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Speaker 4: for this, what do we do with orphaned animals?

733
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Speaker 3: Number two, orphaned animals.

734
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Speaker 5: If you find an orphaned animal, always keep in mind that,

735
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 5: unlike dogs and cats, many wild animals can survive without

736
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Speaker 5: a parent mere days after being born. Squirrels can survive

737
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 5: on their own at ten days old. Again, the best

738
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 5: thing to do is to contact a wildlife rehabilitation center.

739
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 5: They will let you know how best to handle the situation.

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Speaker 5: They may tell you to put the animal in a

741
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Speaker 5: box with a heating pad if it is cold, et cetera.

742
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 5: All caps here, guys. It is a myth that the

743
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 5: smell of a human will cause the parents to abandon

744
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 5: the baby. Also, not all orphans are orphaned. Rabbits leave

745
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 5: their babies alone for long periods of time throughout the

746
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Speaker 5: day and come back to nurse them.

747
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Speaker 3: Baby.

748
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Speaker 5: Owls on the ground can sometimes be fine because owls

749
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 5: learn to climb trees.

750
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Speaker 3: Before they can fly. Did not know any of that.

751
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Speaker 4: Ooh side note, speaking of uh, speaking of stereotypes about

752
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 4: flying creatures, guys, I just learned. Anonymous ally also just learned.

753
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 4: You probably already knew this. Vampire bats can run. They

754
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 4: can run on the ground super fast.

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Speaker 2: No, do not say this, so you know if your

756
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 2: ankles are not safe.

757
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 4: Your ankles aren't safe. They're gonna get them.

758
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 3: They're running at you and biting at your ankles.

759
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 4: So you knock one out while it's flying. You just

760
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 4: slap it away and you're like, hey, don't worry, I

761
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 4: got this. We're gonna make it to the temple before

762
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 4: the eclipse. Make sure to turn around because they might

763
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 4: be skittering, scattering, skip a duop and towards you. There's

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Speaker 4: a third point, though, on this scale.

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Speaker 2: Moving on to anonymous owls number three. Here, here we go,

766
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Speaker 2: never feed wildlife. If wild animals are regularly fed by humans,

767
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: they will lose their fear of humans, which may sound

768
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: like a Disney movie yay, until it gets them hit

769
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 2: by a car, shot by a hunter, or poisoned or

770
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: killed due to being a nuisance. Not to mention, if

771
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: they can carry rabies, they can be seen as a

772
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 2: threat and killed. Even birds. Once you begin feeding them,

773
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: you'd need to continue because they teach their young to

774
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 2: come to you instead of finding food in the wild,

775
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: and if you stop, they do not know how to

776
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 2: find food on their own. That's horrifying. Yeah, that's horrifying.

777
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 2: It says, if you want to help birds and wild

778
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: animals find food, plant seed and fruit bearing native plants

779
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: from your area. Boom okay, now that sounds nice, and

780
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 2: I think I believe you, anonymous owl. But what of

781
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 2: this bird feeding industry that we've created?

782
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 6: Oh?

783
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 4: Yes, classic human. Also, we had an excellent exchange of

784
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 4: thoughts regarding Corvidet in particular, you know, magpies, jackdaws, ravens, crows,

785
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 4: and an anonymous howl gave us some great advice with that,

786
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 4: some great insight, just saying, look, yeah, feed them, but

787
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 4: you're right, don't let them in your house. And you know,

788
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 4: don't feel like you have to center yourself being around

789
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 4: when they eat, because you know, the big problem with

790
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 4: humans is they sort of tend to center themselves on

791
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 4: this stuff, often to the danger of other humans and

792
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 4: to the danger of wild animals.

793
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 2: And one other thing to add on this something I

794
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: learned while I was at local home depot guys. I

795
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: was buying bird food, specifically for a bird feeder I

796
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: wanted to put on my porch upstairs. I thought it

797
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 2: would be super fun to have birds coming through and

798
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 2: I could sit on my porch and just have some

799
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: coffee and be like, ooh birds because I actually really

800
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 2: like birds flying around.

801
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 4: Who does know?

802
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 3: Thank you.

803
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: A very kind older gentleman, as I was going to

804
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: check out with this huge thing of bird feed, said oh,

805
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: don't do that. All you'll get is snakes. And I went,

806
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: what what are you talking about? And he said, I'm serious.

807
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: If you start feeding birds, especially on your house in

808
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: your porch, you are gonna get nothing but snakes.

809
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 4: It's like, no way, I've just pictured, I'm just picturing data.

810
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 4: Carvey's Joe Biden right now, I'm serious, right now? Yeah, yeah,

811
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 4: guess what.

812
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

813
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: But he was very serious and adamant, and he was like,

814
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: I mean you do you but you have kids? And

815
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I have a kid, and don't

816
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 2: do it.

817
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 3: Don't do it.

818
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: So I got warned off. Then I looked it up

819
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: and sure enough, because of the in the backyard, there's

820
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 2: like a little creek and so you know, wild area.

821
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: He was like, no, the snake's He was right, the

822
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: snakes would be joining me.

823
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 4: They'll find it.

824
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 3: He sure will, and not being sad. I don't know.

825
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 5: I've mentioned on the show a few times how I

826
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 5: can often follow a victim to cleverly targeted Instagram ads.

827
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 5: But more than a few ridiculous items from that, but

828
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 5: also some good things. But I did see an ad

829
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 5: the other day for a bird feeder with a camera

830
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 5: in it.

831
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Speaker 3: That you can link up to your phone, so you

832
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 3: can like watch your little feathered friends, you know, frolicking

833
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 3: around on the bird feeder. Shoot you can start a

834
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 3: TikTok off that thing.

835
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Speaker 4: You'd be a millionaire months bird can and this would

836
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 4: definitely show anonymous hel that we're listening to those concerns. Sorry,

837
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 4: that's great. So the last point you make anonymous howl,

838
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 4: which again is of great value to all of us tonight,

839
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 4: gathered around the fire of the dark number four, become

840
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 4: an ally anonymous howl. You say you can carve off

841
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 4: a section of your yard if you live in a

842
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 4: rural area and stop my wing it, toss bird seed

843
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 4: other seed into the grass, leave it alone. You'll also

844
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 4: be providing a safe space for animals like rabbits, deer, etc.

845
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 4: To bed down for the night, and a safe place

846
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 4: for insects like butterflies and mantis to make lay eggs, pupate,

847
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 4: et cetera. If you have and you anticipated our question

848
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 4: here anonymous ol. If you have an hoa homeowner's association,

849
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 4: this may be harder, but you can create a flower

850
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 4: bed of native plants which are usually drought resistant, So bonus,

851
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 4: you will not only provide natural food that is not

852
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 4: directly associated with human presence, but also something with which

853
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 4: animals can associate with their natural habitat. Also followed by saying,

854
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 4: of course, if you have the opportunity or the inclination,

855
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 4: donate to your local wildlife rehabilitation centers. These generally do

856
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 4: not receive any federal or state funding. They need food,

857
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 4: they need funds, they need care, they need staff. They

858
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 4: also may accept volunteers, though heads up, not aiming this

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00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 4: at any particular conspiracy realist. If you do volunteer at

860
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 4: a wildlife rehabilitation center, they may require you to have

861
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 4: a Rabi's vaccine. So for everybody foaming at the mouth

862
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 4: hearing that, it's probably already time for you to visit

863
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 4: the doctor.

864
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 5: Sure, And if I could also just mention a quick

865
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Speaker 5: snippet from another listener that wrote in about this, because

866
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Speaker 5: it was something that I said, I think in error

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Speaker 5: someone I think Matt it was no mentioned a quote

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Speaker 5: from a person who said a blood test can be

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Speaker 5: done to check for rabies. That may be true, but

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Speaker 5: to my understanding, it is not acceptably accurate. The only

871
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 5: reliable way to test for rabies is to test the

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Speaker 5: brain tissue. So I just wanted to put that out

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Speaker 5: there because I did think that was It was something

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Speaker 5: that was I think in an editorial piece that I

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Speaker 5: brought where someone I believe a colleague of the writer

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Speaker 5: of the piece, said that this could be done with

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Speaker 5: out destroying the animal.

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Speaker 3: But apparently that is a non reliable.

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Speaker 5: Thing, and rabies is a big deal and apparently too

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Speaker 5: even if you release a squirrel like this in the wild,

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Speaker 5: if it's imprinted on a human and it does get rabies,

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Speaker 5: it will come back a lot of times, which can

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Speaker 5: then cause this, you know, spreading of this very deadly disease.

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Speaker 2: Just to add on to that, a listener called in

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Speaker 2: with a voicemail specifically talking about that, and yes it is.

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Speaker 2: It is brain specific brain tissue that has to be tested.

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Speaker 4: To be examined. Yeah, to the detriment of the animals survival. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 4: that's correct. And again going back to our last part

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Speaker 4: of this listener mail segment, thank you so much, anonymous ow.

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Speaker 4: We asked you for a step by step guide for

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Speaker 4: everyone who has encountered a wild animal, has been fortunate

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Speaker 4: enough to do that, and for a lot of people

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Speaker 4: listening tonight. You know, you run into an injured creature,

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Speaker 4: you are not a bad person, so you're not going

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Speaker 4: to kill it for fun. You might have to kill

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Speaker 4: it if it's already in pain and there's no way

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Speaker 4: to save it. But it's invaluable to understand the best

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Speaker 4: steps to ensure the safety of the wild animal as

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Speaker 4: well as the safety of your fellow human animals. Now

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Speaker 4: we're gonna call it an evening. We hope everybody is

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Speaker 4: having the best time as you experienced this show. So

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Speaker 4: happy November twenty. First, the holidays are coming up. We're

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Speaker 4: all in this together, animal and human alike, so we

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Speaker 4: would love to hear from you. Please join us. Tell

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Speaker 4: try not to get rabies over the holidays. We know

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Speaker 3: It might not be rabies. It might just be a

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