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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius x M Triumph

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Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. The thirteen year old Monument Boy

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Speaker 1: house over the Thanksgiving holiday two thousand twelve. I didn't

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Speaker 1: lose Dylan, and why is he gone? That's the question

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Speaker 1: we all haven't asked. But nobody, you have to ask

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Speaker 1: that question. You hadn't him? Where is he? Dylan's remains

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Speaker 1: were found several months after he disappeared, just about ten

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Speaker 1: miles from his father's home. Mark red Wine had long

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Speaker 1: been considered a person of interest in this case, but

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Speaker 1: he suggested his ex wife, Elaine, had something to do

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Speaker 1: with it. I have suspicions that Elaine could be involved

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Speaker 1: in this. Mark red Wine is in custody and will

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Speaker 1: face charges in the death of his son Dylan. Dylan's

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Speaker 1: blood was found in multiple locations of Mark red Wine's

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Speaker 1: living room. Some say this is a shocker, but others

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Speaker 1: say this has been a long time coming. Oh, it

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Speaker 1: was a custody battle. Royale. Let me tell you the

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Speaker 1: boy did not want to go visit his dad. He

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Speaker 1: did not want to go. But you know what cooler

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Speaker 1: hads prevailed, and he went to go visit his dad.

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Speaker 1: Now he went to spend the night, and the following morning,

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Speaker 1: Dad gets up to go run errands, you know, laundry

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Speaker 1: and so forth comes back. Dylan, his little boy is gone.

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Speaker 1: He thinks he's gone skateboarding or hanging out with his

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Speaker 1: friends up and down the street. Finally he says his

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Speaker 1: son is missing, and a search like no other ensues.

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Speaker 1: I am referring to a beautiful, beautiful little boy, Dylan

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Speaker 1: red Wine. Dylan was not missing. Dylan was murdered. I

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is crime Stories, and today a man

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Speaker 1: major break in a case that has baffled investigators and

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Speaker 1: police ever since Dylan went missing. And with me is

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Speaker 1: a woman I respect deeply and have thought of, I

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Speaker 1: have prayed for for so long. Dylan's mother, Elaine Hall,

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Speaker 1: is with me. Also with me my friend and colleague,

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Speaker 1: Director of the Cold Case Institute, Cheryl McCollum. Today we

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Speaker 1: report major news. There is a break in the Dylan

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Speaker 1: red Wine case. And that is and rest Elaine. Do

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Speaker 1: you remember the moment that you learned Dylan was missing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's It's probably one of the most relived moments in

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Speaker 1: my head of all the time what happened. Um, Well,

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Speaker 1: Dylan was went on a plane ride to his father's

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Speaker 1: house on Sunday, and the next day at four thirty,

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Speaker 1: around four thirty, Mark texted me and asked me if

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Speaker 1: you know, he didn't know where he was. So I

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Speaker 1: got in my car and we drove to Durango, which

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Speaker 1: for Dylan because if dad had not done that, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand this, okay, because I can't even imagine

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Speaker 1: what would go through my mind if my child is

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Speaker 1: supposed to be somewhere and that person calls and said, hey,

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Speaker 1: have you seen Lucy? What she's with you? So what

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Speaker 1: did you think when you got the text? Have you

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Speaker 1: Dylan was not the kind of kid who would just

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Speaker 1: wander off or you know, leave without at least letting

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Speaker 1: me or his brother Corey. Now, um, we were very

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Speaker 1: close to him. And so when Mark had indicated that

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Speaker 1: upset and concerned about you know, where it, Where's my baby? Worthy?

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Speaker 1: And he was thirteen years old and he had his

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Speaker 1: to take this in. Dylan did not want to go

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Speaker 1: to visit his dad that weekend. Why. Um, Dylan and

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Speaker 1: his dad had just grown apart. Mark never really exercised

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Speaker 1: Dylan that often. And you know, quite honestly, I don't

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Speaker 1: they had spent so much time apart that they their

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Speaker 1: Did Dylan ask you not to go? Yes, he did.

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Speaker 1: He asked me many times, as a matter of fact.

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Speaker 1: On the he was supposed to fly out of Clara

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Speaker 1: you say that. Alan Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold

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Speaker 1: Case Institute. I remember my dad had been feeling bad,

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Speaker 1: arranged to take the children ice skating up at Rockefeller

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Speaker 1: fluid from around his heart. I remember I called my

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Speaker 1: like every other time. Go And right before we got

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Speaker 1: ahead and go. We got on. I got to New York.

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Speaker 1: I got us all unpacked, the children bathed in their pj's.

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Speaker 1: trying to tell you something. But how were we to know?

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Speaker 1: How were you to know alone? Yeah, you just don't.

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Speaker 1: who were, you know, worthless. Everyone with me is Dylan

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Speaker 1: red Wines mother who has never given up and the

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Speaker 1: red One, absolutely beautiful. If you could see his little

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Speaker 1: my son John David's. And I'm just imagining you you

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Speaker 1: What do you do first? I mean when you walked

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Speaker 1: and they said it was running through the mountains. Why

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Speaker 1: you know, they kept thinking that Dylan was a runaway

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Speaker 1: and Corey and I both knew that. And Corey is

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Speaker 1: Dylan's half brother. Cheryl McCallen, director of the Cold Case Institute.

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Speaker 1: Right there, that was the first big mistake, right Nancy.

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Speaker 1: And here's the ing, let's go back. Even she get

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Speaker 1: notified that her child is a miss through a text mass.

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Speaker 1: What he doesn't call her? He doesn't call now would

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Speaker 1: possible somewhere, but here is the most important thing. Nancy.

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Speaker 1: She knew, she knew something was terribly wrong, and she

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Speaker 1: then we were fortunate enough to get into an investigator

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Speaker 1: never been so angry and infuriated at at at law

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Speaker 1: very frustrating. Then what happened, Well, and then you know,

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Speaker 1: was you know, wonderful in this case because people showed

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Speaker 1: up in mass you know, and this is around Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 1: Um to kind of search forget what about his cell phone?

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Diana's cell phone. Did they find the cell phone? Now,

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Speaker 1: we still have never found this stuff one or his backpack.

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Speaker 1: Did they paying it? Well, yeah they did, but it

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Speaker 1: him a new phone for Christmas that year with the GPS.

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Speaker 1: So if they already took care of it should have

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00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: been a row blood from that child all over creation

430
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: in the wood. Well. To me, it should be charged

431
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: as murder in the first because if there was some

432
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: kind of an accident and Dylan was killed, why not

433
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: call nine one one. The fact that the body is

434
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: in one place and the skull is in another place

435
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: shows a great degree of deception, and activities after the

436
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: fact can be taken into consideration, and the charging and

437
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: the verdict. Also there's the issue of felony murder, which

438
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: would be child abuse i e. A beating and as

439
00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: a result, a death occurred that is felled in the

440
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: murder that is qualifiable for the death penalty in many jurisdictions. Um.

441
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: I want to go back to Elaine Dylan's mom. Elaine.

442
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: People often say to me things like, well, it's been X.

443
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: You know you can fill in the blank number of years.

444
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: Why can't you get over it? Why can't you move on?

445
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,719
Speaker 1: They don't get it a line they don't get Well,

446
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: it's probably because they've never suffered such a horrific loss before.

447
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: I think that people are very naive to the situation

448
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: and you know, they can't put you. You can't be

449
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: yourself in anyone's shoes when it comes to, you know,

450
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: the murder of your child. Um. But I've heard that

451
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: many times, and you know, even my boss at the

452
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: time was very you know, at first, they were very empathetic,

453
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: but over time it just you know, their patients were

454
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: Warren thin and I was not going to give up

455
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: until you know, there was some type of resid Lucian

456
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: for Dylan. When you say they're patients worthin what what happened. Um,

457
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: I was just missing a lot of work, obviously, and

458
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: it just came to the point where I felt that

459
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: it was best for me to not be employed there

460
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: anymore because I I just couldn't, I couldn't deal with

461
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: you know, the innocuous comments and you know, UM at

462
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: one point, you know, they were wondering why I was

463
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: still doing searches for my son when we knew we

464
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: was dead. And I did they actually say that, UM, yeah,

465
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: and not so many words yet I did, What did

466
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: you say that? I? You know, I just I basically said,

467
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's very important for me to, um,

468
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: you know, find all of my son's remain so I

469
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: have you know, something of him. And it was shortly

470
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: thereafter that I I left. I left that place of employment.

471
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: Do you have you ever felt like Dylan has tried

472
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: to communicate with you? I think in many respects he has. UM,

473
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: maybe not directly to me, but I think many of

474
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: the things that have occurred over the last couple of years,

475
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,959
Speaker 1: Dylan had a hand in it. You know. It's like

476
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: it's like he's the chess master and he's controlling everything.

477
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: Because there's been some pretty major developments and some pretty

478
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: major changes that have occurred that have kind of pushed

479
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: this case along. And I think Dylan was instrumental in that.

480
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: And when you say he had a hand in it,

481
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,719
Speaker 1: give me an example. Well, you know, finding the skull

482
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: that was you know, that was pretty major. That's actually

483
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: what you know kind of um sparked, you know, the

484
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: fire again in law enforcement and how was it was

485
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: a couple of hypersper were hikers that were hiking and

486
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: they call law enforcement and said, you know, we think

487
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: we found our human skull. And you know it it

488
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: was doing. When you Elaine talk about Dylan now and

489
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: you talk about his remains, are you talk about his skull?

490
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: What effect does that have on you? I mean, after

491
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: our program is over and you go about your businesses

492
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: talking about it, bring it all back, does it make

493
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: it worse? Does it have any effect at all? Or

494
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: are you just numb? I think it's it's you know,

495
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: I think being numb is a part of it, but

496
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: you know it, it's unfortunately also a part of our lives,

497
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: and we just had to come to terms with it.

498
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't bring going back. I wish I could.

499
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: I would do anything to do that, but you know,

500
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: we we still have to keep going and we still

501
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: have to keep fighting for him because he lost his

502
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: voice until we have to be his voice. You know.

503
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: It's it's the most horrific thing that we've ever experienced,

504
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: and it's you know, I don't think it's going to

505
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: get any better anytime soon, and so you know, we

506
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: just have to keep on plugging on. I know that

507
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, Dylan wants us to have you know, closure

508
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: and resolution to this. Not that we'll ever have closure

509
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: because he will still be dead, but you know, we

510
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: we we we have to we have to be strong

511
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: and just keep fighting for him. You know, Elaine Hall,

512
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: you just spoken to my heart and inspired me all

513
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: over again to keep trying a line. I've been thinking

514
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: of you so much as these developments have happened so rapidly,

515
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 1: and please know so many people think of you and

516
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: hope for you and pray for you and Dylan as well.

517
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: And I want to thank you for speaking with me today.

518
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: Thank you, Nancy. I appreciate that. Okay, Cheryl, I let

519
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: Elaine go. Cheryl did that she cannot hear us right now? Cheryl,

520
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: did that break your heart? I mean, oh my God,

521
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: so horrible. It is so horrible. And I watched the

522
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: Doctor Phil and what struck me is she could not

523
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 1: even bring herself to say I thank you. All she

524
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: could say is I think you hurt him. She couldn't

525
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: say anything worse than hurt. And I just, oh my god,

526
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: she knew, she knew. He's such a piece of who

527
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: I said, Cheryl, I swear to God in Heaven, I

528
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: would rip somebody's wrote right out from under their chin

529
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: if they touched the twins. And I don't care who

530
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: it is. When I hear this mom talking about you know,

531
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: we have to be his voice. Oh Dear Lord in Heaven,

532
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: it nearly. It just broke my heart just to even

533
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: hear it. You know, appreciate, Okay, Cheryl, we gotta just

534
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: keep fighting. We just have to keep on right. I love,

535
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: And now to Florida, a Florida beat you. Beauty marries

536
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: her dream man. The newlyweds set to live happily ever

537
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 1: after until death do they part. But what the twenty

538
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: six year old beauty doesn't plan is the hit man

539
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: she allegedly hires to murder her groom is a cop.

540
00:34:55,120 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 1: That's right, the cops sting the bride on a video

541
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: and oh, if you could hear it, she breaks down

542
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: and hysterical tears crying over her dead husband, just hours

543
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: after she herself puts those special finishing touches on his

544
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: death and it's all caught on undercover surveillance video. All right,

545
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Dahlia Dippolito breaking news right now, the

546
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: woman who allegedly hires a hit man to kill her

547
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: groom and ends up hiring an undercover cop who videos

548
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Catches are moaning and crying. Oh, OSBA's dad,

549
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: and they take her in to talk to her about

550
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: her husband's murder, his shooting death, and then in walks

551
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: her husband. It was all a big sting. Joining me

552
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: right now, Dave Max, Indicated talk show host Dave. Do

553
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: you recall at her first trial she actually told the

554
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: jury Cheryl McCollum, I hope you're sitting down for this.

555
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 1: You may need to lay down, girl. Okay, she actually

556
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: tells a jury, I didn't hire hit man to kill

557
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: my husband. That was a reality TV show script, Okay,

558
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: I was. We were acting all this out in order

559
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: to get a reality TV show. Right. It's all a

560
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: big audition and her husband helped her with it. It

561
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: was all a plan. I don't know why he's turning

562
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: against me now, we were just auditioning for The funny

563
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: thing about that, Dave macis she never brought any TV producers,

564
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: no contract nothing, no camera people, nothing. Yeah, it was

565
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: you know, it was shocking. It was shocking that she

566
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: actually could come up with that and think that it

567
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: might work. But you know, there are a few things

568
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: working against her. And the fact that she was five

569
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: thousand percent sure she wanted to take out her husband.

570
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: Oh yet was so cool. I love that part. I

571
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: played that just for the heck of it, even when

572
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: I wasn't on the air. Darlia di Polito caught on

573
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: undercover Samillan's video. They're going, you sure you want to

574
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: do this? She goes, I'm a thousand percent sure. Oh

575
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: she's not just one sure. Sare on McCollum, she's a

576
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: thousand percent sure. She wants him dead. I love it.

577
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 1: But here's the good duddy, Sy, she's gonna be able

578
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: to be on reality TV because in prison, they're gonna

579
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: still work twenty four hour of the day, So you're

580
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: weak granted. Oh okay, now, wait a minute, Dave Mack,

581
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: are you with me? Alan Deep? Did you? Are you

582
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: lurking around somewhere? Are you hearing? Okay, Alan, I have

583
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: a little tidbit for you and Dave Mack. Okay, don't

584
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: marry a hooker? Okay? Can we can we just start

585
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: on that? Okay? Can we go with that first? Another

586
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: tip is if your bride is registered with Smith and Wesson,

587
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: that's kind of a hip. No. I mean, reportedly he

588
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: met her cheryl um. Let me just say when he

589
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: needed an air quotes date, he needed a date. Let

590
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 1: me just say now, and he means Dolia to Polito.

591
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,959
Speaker 1: Now I taught to her lawyer, you know in death

592
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: he's a good lawyer. I mean, I mean, look what

593
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: he had to work with for Pete's sake. Uh. Brian Claypole,

594
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: who swears that, Um, she was not a hooker. Okay, fine,

595
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: you can just say that till you're blue in the face.

596
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: But I know what those texts said. Now. His lawyer

597
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: told me that she tried to kill him before Dave

598
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: Mack that she tried to poison him in some chy

599
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: tea from Starbucks. Needless to say, I haven't had another

600
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: chy tee since then she tried using anti freeze. But

601
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: one one thing to point out, Nancy and she might

602
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: have been confused because she did get her real estate license,

603
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: so she was able to sell property, and she might

604
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: have thought of herself as property and thought that being

605
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: a hooker, you know, fit under the real estate license

606
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: and that she wasn't breaking any law. There could be Yeah. See,

607
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're saying. I don't even know

608
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: what that meant, but you and the Duke al yucking

609
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: it up. Sheryl and I are like, that doesn't even

610
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: make any sense to back. So Dave, what actually finally

611
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: convinced a jury that she did it? I mean, because

612
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 1: there haven't there been two juries before this one? Yeah,

613
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: and um, you know the first one actually dear and

614
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: victed or you know, they were looking at twenty years,

615
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: they appealed. The next one came back three to three. Tie.

616
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: I can't even figure that one out. I mean, they've

617
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: got All I could think of is she had a

618
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: real close to Simpson dream team, because there's no way

619
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: you see this woman on tape, you hear the description,

620
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean, everything is there. I don't know why it

621
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: took five minutes for a jury to go out and

622
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: come back with anything less than guilty. I have no

623
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: idea how that. Well, I'll tell you, I'll tell you

624
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 1: what I think happened. Um, there had to be somebody

625
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: on that jury that was anti cop, and you know

626
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 1: I'm pro cop. I'm a Ryan victim. I brought cops

627
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: and put him on the stand as witnesses. Yeah. I

628
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: know there are a few bad apples, I know, idiot. Okay,

629
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: I've seen the videos, I've read the papers, and it's

630
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: true there are some some cops that have know some

631
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: very bad things. But I would say, for the most part,

632
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: police officers and law enforcement are some of the most

633
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: honorable and decent people I've ever met in my life. Okay,

634
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 1: let's put that out there. But what happened, Cheryl McCollum,

635
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: is that you remember the show Cops, you know, bad Boy,

636
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: Bad Boy? Well, remember that, and then they'll always show

637
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: like some guy without a shirt on sitting on his

638
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: easy chair who seems not at all surprised that cops

639
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: are running through his den as he's watching TV. Just

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Speaker 1: sits there. Okay. Anyway, so they were coming to film

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00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: and somewhere along the way somebody said, oh, well, you

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00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: know they can use this Dollia Depolito case because they

643
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Speaker 1: filmed it when they told her that her husband was dead. Okay,

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00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: which I love that part she bends over in half.

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00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: Oh okay, she really lays it on. Watch out, Meryl Streep.

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00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: And if you look at this video, which I have

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Speaker 1: about three or four hundred times, all the cops are

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00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: just standing there like looking at each other, going um,

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00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: and she's just carrying on. She's not noticed, and the

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00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: cops are like looking at her like she's a lizard.

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00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: You know that nobody wants to touch it. Okay, So anyway,

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00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: but the husband lawyer definitely told me, unless I've gone

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Speaker 1: completely insane, that she tried to kill him before with

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Speaker 1: some shy tea. Now, when I said I gave up

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Speaker 1: shy t let me clarify that I would not buy

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00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 1: Starbucks anyway because it costs too much. You can get

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00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 1: a great cup of coffee, a huge one for nine

658
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: nine cents at McDonald's. Okay, you don't have to stand

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00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: in line. I mean, it's no drama, it's just you know,

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00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: it's a cup of coffee. But that aside, so this

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00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: could maybe be her second bite of the apple when

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00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: the first one didn't. So what is she looking at,

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00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: Dave Matt right now? She's looking at sixteen years. She's

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Speaker 1: headed off to women's prison now, which I gotta wait

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00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: a minute. We'll wait. You can fuss at me for

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00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: interrupting later. I forgot this. The first time she got

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Speaker 1: house arrest, she stayed at home and let her mommy

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Speaker 1: take care of her, and she was allowed to go

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Speaker 1: to church in her lawyer's house, I mean her lawyer's office.

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Speaker 1: She got pregnant. What happened while she's only supposed to

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Speaker 1: be I don't think it happened at church, Dave, now,

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00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: but it might have been the attorney. We might be

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00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: looking at Todd mom Jr. Getting you know, a deal

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00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: going on with the lawyer. I don't know I saw that.

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Speaker 1: Please don't blame the lawyers. I am. I'm disavowing anything.

676
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: Dave Matt just said, Okay, I don't know about that.

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00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: That is not true as far as I'm concerned. But

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Speaker 1: somebody I just thought, Cheryl, Cheryl, you know what happened.

679
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: She got pregnant so she could use the baby as

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00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 1: a defense atal no question, so the jury would don't

681
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: you know her mother probably came in court holding that baby. Absolutely,

682
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: they're not gonna send me to prison if I'm an

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00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: infant's mama or if I pregnant at the time, No question.

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00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: This woman has used every theatric at her disposal, including

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Speaker 1: her own child. But NaN's let me just say one

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00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: other things because this I think it's really relevant. When

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00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: they watched the video, there's no tear. She's screaming and

688
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: whaling and carrying on, but there's no tear. And you

689
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: know that back in the day, you and I would

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00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: have killed for a case like this to whale until

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00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: that man walks in the room. Oh I love that part. Okay,

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00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: listen to this, guys. I'm sorry, Jo Ramsey. I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to call you. Thank you for coming. I'm

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00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: sorry to call you. Listen. We had a report of

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00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: a disturbance at your house and there were shots fired.

696
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: Is your husband Michael? Okay, I'm sorry to tell you, mam,

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00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: he's been killed. He's been killed. Man, try to calm

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00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: down right now. We need to stay. We need to

699
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: get station. I can't look man. We have to do

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00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: our job. If you want to findest killer. Okay, we

701
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: need you to calm down. I need you to go

702
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: with these detectives. Okay. Does he have enemies? Is there

703
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: anyone that would want to hurt Okay? Who want to

704
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: hurt him? Witnesses said they saw a blackmail running from you.

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Speaker 1: I can't let you see him, man, madam, I cannot

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Speaker 1: do this right now. Detective, I need you, I need

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Speaker 1: you to take it to the station. I can't go

708
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: with these detectives. If you want to help your husband, Okay,

709
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: if you want to help your husband, you need to

710
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: go to the station with these gentlemen and tell us

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00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: everything you know about who he knows, who he's connected to.

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00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: Don't worry, We've already taken care of dogs without him

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00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: a control for right now, everything's under control, and we'll

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00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: take care of everything else. Okay, thank you guys. Guys.

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Speaker 1: I wish you could see the photo I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: right now. I've got a great photo on crime online

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Speaker 1: dot Com. And there's another photo I'm looking at. It's

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Speaker 1: on Daily Mail, and she is given the judge a

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00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: look like, you know, like she would like to kill

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Speaker 1: the judge. I love this photo, all right, So where

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Speaker 1: does that leave us in the world? Dahlia di Polido

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00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: is finally going to jail. You know what's gonna happen,

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Speaker 1: Dave Matt. She's gonna appeal, They're gonna find something wrong

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Speaker 1: with it, and we'll be doing it for a fourth time.

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00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: Will you join me when that happens, please? I have

726
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: been joining on this case since you first started making

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00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: commentary about it, and in studying for this today and

728
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: looking at how many times you've had to deal with it. Nancy,

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00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: it's like every other day there's another crazy story from

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Speaker 1: Dahlia di Poliito. There's no telling what's coming up next. Well,

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Speaker 1: the baby took the cake. I mean, the woman's on

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Speaker 1: house arrest, she can go to church in her lawyer's office,

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Speaker 1: and she gets pregnant. Um I was saying, if she

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Speaker 1: did not get convicted on the third try, I would

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Speaker 1: just fling myself out of her window, or or feed

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Speaker 1: myself a chi te with point. Let her make me

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Speaker 1: a chi te. Okay, guys, Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off,

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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,