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Speaker 1: Hats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and

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Speaker 1: Paul Perillo offer in depth interviews with some of the

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Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history. Joined

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Speaker 1: by the newest member of the Patriots Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 1: Mike Gravel. Find out what led to some of the

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Speaker 1: greatest moments in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight.

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Speaker 2: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian

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Speaker 2: coy Or.

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Speaker 3: Joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, but number

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Speaker 3: one in our hearts at least Rodney Harrison.

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Speaker 4: Good to be home, Good to see you guys.

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Speaker 1: Search for Pats in the Past anywhere you get your podcast.

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Speaker 2: You know, hopefully all of you guys got a chance

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Speaker 2: to spend some time with your families yesterday, and hopefully

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Speaker 2: it was a lot of good food, a lot of

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Speaker 2: good conversation. Uh, just a lot of fun for everyone.

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Speaker 2: My Thanksgiving was great. It was a small group. My

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Speaker 2: brother flew up in town, and you know, we just

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Speaker 2: played some games and watched a lot of football, talked

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Speaker 4: Family.

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Speaker 2: You know, we all have a lot to be thankful for,

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Speaker 2: and you know, I would say just health is one

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Speaker 2: But I'm thankful for my family being healthy and the

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Speaker 4: When you're watching.

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Speaker 5: Football from Thursday, are you watching it as a coach,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So when I watched those games, especially yesterday, I

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Speaker 4: So that's how I kind of watch it.

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Speaker 2: But I started as a huge football fan, you know,

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Speaker 2: And look the Lions, they don't have Barry Sanders, but

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Speaker 6: So like you, you take plays that happen around the

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Speaker 6: thinking yesterday, obviously every I'm talking about the way the

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Speaker 5: To do the same thing for yourself as a coach.

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Speaker 2: You know, what does that look like, you know, as

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Speaker 2: for me, it's just one of those another opportunity to

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Speaker 4: Head football coach.

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Speaker 5: So you called them after a game.

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Speaker 2: It was like it was like right after the situation

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Speaker 2: situational football and things like that, and you know, as

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Speaker 6: Thinking cold back and up and available to play, to

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Speaker 4: Earlier than that one. No, No, Cole won't play this Sunday.

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Speaker 2: No, I will say one thing, you know, Cole, like

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Speaker 4: But not this week.

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Speaker 5: And then just sticking on the offensive line with city.

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Speaker 2: Given time there, Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent, you know,

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Speaker 2: You know, we started to put him in there on

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Speaker 1: You guys released Michael Jordan in the street, so he.

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Speaker 3: Would you started different left guard on Sunday cause obviously

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Speaker 2: Him, that's right, Yeah, Michael Jordan still has that one

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Speaker 2: This week, he's another one where GTFB when he has

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Speaker 2: You know, the quarterback design runs is just a different

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Speaker 4: And look, we all have to be on the same page.

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Speaker 5: Coach he'p mentioned that last week a penalty that you're

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Speaker 3: Game kind of pop up during practice, and I'm curious,

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Speaker 5: And guy, did you guys see more locked in?

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Speaker 2: And I tell the guys there's nothing more important, uh

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Speaker 2: And he's one hundred percent correct. You know it shows

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Speaker 5: Did you guys do anything in house the Thanksgiving related?

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Speaker 3: I know some assistance when you were assistant would get

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Speaker 2: I know some of the some of the coaches went

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Speaker 2: it's also one of those times, especially with the bye

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Speaker 4: And I hit it.

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Speaker 5: How do you manage that?

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Speaker 3: You know, understanding that this wasn't due information, you do

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Speaker 5: How have you managed that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like some of those, you know, some of those

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Speaker 2: But but that was a way to try to keep

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Speaker 5: And move some momentumers that's.

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Speaker 4: Just more like just another week. No, it's huge. It's

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Speaker 6: One of the things that struck me listening to Kendrick

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Speaker 6: and this undant fourth down in the last game that

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Speaker 6: you could have hit better with the detail, and then

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Speaker 6: listening to Alex and Pelopop bowl hoop a third down

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Speaker 6: play on the list five steps when you did it

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Speaker 6: at three said it made me think. So you watch

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Speaker 6: you play and see it's on you know, we might say, oh,

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Speaker 4: Of the route.

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Speaker 6: And I guess my question long when did how do

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Speaker 2: And you know, they put blame on a person who

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Speaker 2: we're all a unit, and all eleven of us on

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Speaker 5: Will you go to a player in those instances if

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Speaker 5: it's kind of great for you and ask, like what

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Speaker 2: Or Yeah, sometime sometimes it's very easy to tell, you know,

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Speaker 2: like that, you know it's both of them that should

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Speaker 3: Some words he said recently, Hey, these next five games,

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Speaker 3: we need to figure out really who we can count

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Speaker 5: Who are some players that you need to find out

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Speaker 5: a little bit more than others.

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Speaker 2: Look, I would say, you know, not to get too specific,

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Speaker 2: and that's the hard part for me. Look, look, you

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Speaker 1: A handful of players who just started or played a

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Speaker 5: These younger guys a change.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say a few of them. I don't

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a little softer, but the might cause might

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Speaker 6: think I don't think.

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Speaker 5: You're doing anything.

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Speaker 2: Nah, I think it's I think it's a great program,

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Speaker 2: you know. I think with our platform, win Loser draw,

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Speaker 2: we always need to give back to the community, and

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Speaker 2: I appreciate all the guys that you know participate in that.

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Speaker 2: I probably should have participated, but I was in my

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Speaker 2: that's been a staple of this organization for a very

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Speaker 5: You put that routine.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious when you know you are in the midsillusion

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Speaker 5: Is there more time that you're in or do you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you know, anytime you lose a football game,

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Speaker 4: Thanks guys.

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