Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories, done done.
Speaker 2: Yay, that's messed up. A SVU podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Lisa, my name is Kara, and we
Speaker 1: every week on this podcast go through an episode of
Speaker 1: SVU the true crime it's based on.
Speaker 4: Sometimes we have a guest.
Speaker 1: Un there's no guests. Yeah, democracy is falling? Can you
Speaker 1: just leap back off? Well, we have some good ones
Speaker 1: coming up. We haven't completely abandoned guests, but just everybody relaxed, hear.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're both recovering.
Speaker 1: Literally, if you guys were listening to last week, I
Speaker 1: unknowingly had COVID.
Speaker 4: I was watching.
Speaker 1: I was feeling bad the last episode that we recorded
Speaker 1: and was like oh, and then went in the house
Speaker 1: right after we recorded, took a test and was like
Speaker 1: bye forever.
Speaker 4: And I was in bed for a few days and
Speaker 4: then I just got.
Speaker 1: Better and I was been fine the last few days
Speaker 1: and now I feel like shit again. And Liza's been
Speaker 1: sick the last few days. Everyone I know is sick.
Speaker 1: It's like fucking I don't know what's happening. I woke
Speaker 1: up Friday and wasn't feeling well, but I kept pushing
Speaker 1: through because it's also like, well, you're party and you're
Speaker 1: smoking weed.
Speaker 2: You're saying this, there's a radiator, the air is dry,
Speaker 2: this and that. So I make excuses, I make excuses.
Speaker 2: I'm pushing I'm pushing through. I had dinner reservations.
Speaker 4: I wanted to do them.
Speaker 1: I'm at dinner and my friend looks at me and goes,
Speaker 1: you've been degrading this whole night, and you need to leave.
Speaker 1: She goes, you are getting worse and worse. Your attitude
Speaker 1: is a nightmare. You are so snappy, and you need
Speaker 1: to go home. And I had to cancel eight shows
Speaker 1: over the weekend. Oh my god, I could have bought
Speaker 1: a Tiffany's you know necklace. Yeah, funny, Oh my god, Bush,
Speaker 1: But say even about that, I just like, I'm off
Speaker 1: this high of my special coming out. I'm like doing
Speaker 1: all these pods.
Speaker 4: I like, like I'm feeling good.
Speaker 1: The external validation is popping on the internet. Yeah, to
Speaker 1: then be like, you need to leave dinner immediately, Jesus.
Speaker 1: That just reminds me of the time you came and
Speaker 1: did my show when it was at Barlu Bitch, and
Speaker 1: you were just curled up in the corner and you're like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go whenever.
Speaker 4: And I was like, you need to get the fuck
Speaker 4: out of here. You're dying. Well posto, that was a
Speaker 4: pre previ that was pre COVID. Yeah, you don't. You
Speaker 4: can't push through.
Speaker 1: But I flicked someone off in the line in the
Speaker 1: bathroom at this restaurant.
Speaker 4: I told Amanda fuck off, like I had, I had
Speaker 4: to go.
Speaker 2: And then it was it was sad, but I still
Speaker 2: puffed the weed. It's I'll have this call for a while.
Speaker 2: But a bunch of people from my party got sick.
Speaker 2: Fucking Molly has bronchitis. There's influenza A. I mean, people
Speaker 2: are sick.
Speaker 4: That's what I had. And then I got my period.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, imagine leading in calling at the same time.
Speaker 1: No kill me. That's terrible, that's funny, terrible, just coming
Speaker 1: out from everywhere. Listen, I just had the flu a
Speaker 1: month ago. I had the flu and then COVID and
Speaker 1: now I have some kind of weird cold, like I'm
Speaker 1: sick of as shit. But anyway, but it's a good lesson,
Speaker 1: and you know me, like I I'm never actually disappointed
Speaker 1: because life is good. But I build everything up in
Speaker 1: my head. My expectations are always sky high, so like, well,
Speaker 1: my special will come out and Hollywood will grab me.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh, I'm still in my
Speaker 1: Tailor Swift sweatshirt, like I still don't want to wash
Speaker 1: my hair. I am the same person and nothing is
Speaker 1: truly changed, which is fine because life is I mean,
Speaker 1: outside of the disasters.
Speaker 4: But it is just so funny how I can never change.
Speaker 1: My like yeah, oh my god. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I guess it's like the same, but with more comments,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like just more comments.
Speaker 1: But life is pretty chill.
Speaker 4: Of course.
Speaker 1: My father ask for physical copies of the special. I go,
Speaker 1: and where are you gonna watch him? Where are you
Speaker 1: gonna watch that on? Now? Did he mean DVD? Did
Speaker 1: he mean a VHS? What was he referring to?
Speaker 2: They're gonna send They're gonna send him a DVD and
Speaker 2: a drive.
Speaker 4: Oh cool.
Speaker 1: But I also told him I go, I go, dad,
Speaker 1: you know, because for analytics, whatever they send you. But
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, watch it as many times as
Speaker 1: you can. I'm you're obsessed with me? What else you
Speaker 1: have to do?
Speaker 4: Put it on?
Speaker 2: Like I'm telling my parents, not all of you live
Speaker 2: your lives, you know, don't ignore your children. But I
Speaker 2: and then my dad goes, yeah, but they're gonna tell
Speaker 2: us from the same house, so I'm sure you know.
Speaker 2: They say that's not gonna count. Who said that to you?
Speaker 1: That's how like the Nielsen ratings maybe work. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's how fucking streams were. No, they want you
Speaker 1: to watch it a lot of time. That's the whole point.
Speaker 1: Like can they trap you? The tech wants to trap you?
Speaker 1: But I'm like, dad, who are you?
Speaker 3: Who told you?
Speaker 1: Who?
Speaker 4: How are you the expert on the thing that you
Speaker 4: don't even know how to work? Right now?
Speaker 1: Like it?
Speaker 4: They also didn't call me. I'm waiting.
Speaker 1: I call my dad the next day because I knew
Speaker 1: they stayed up to watch it. I go, hey, did
Speaker 1: you guys see any good? And my dad goes, oh,
Speaker 1: we say it's early. I have to go feed the
Speaker 1: street cat and then hangs up on me. I don't
Speaker 1: hear from them again. The next day, I wake up,
Speaker 1: I don't hear from them. I call them in the afternoon.
Speaker 1: My mom goes, I'm sorry, I had a pedicure. I
Speaker 1: go a forty eight hour pedicure. What the fuck are
Speaker 1: you going?
Speaker 4: I don't know what the like.
Speaker 1: You? Why am I making just like And then my
Speaker 1: sister's being like, well, what you know, very like mushrooms
Speaker 1: therapy of like, well, why do you even really need
Speaker 1: to talk to mom that bad?
Speaker 4: And I'm like, for for compliments, validation my parents.
Speaker 1: She's trying to make me feel like shit that I
Speaker 1: want attention from my parents at the biggest week of
Speaker 1: my life.
Speaker 4: No, that's so.
Speaker 1: Then I screamed at them and they're like, sorry, we
Speaker 1: thought you'd be busy.
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, I did too. I did. Oh my god,
Speaker 4: that is so funny. No, but it has been.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been. It's been nice. I mean hearing nice things.
Speaker 1: Usually the internet's not nice. It's so knock on wood.
Speaker 1: It can turn at any moment, but so far, everyone's
Speaker 1: just been so kind. And I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: you put something out to relate to people, and then
Speaker 1: when people relate to it or into.
Speaker 4: It, it feels good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: My sister's like, why do you need external validation? I'm like, bitch,
Speaker 1: I'm like dancing on a stage. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Look at my entire career, like this is what we do.
Speaker 1: Oh but my friend Alex from London was in town.
Speaker 1: I couldn't see her because I was sick in bed
Speaker 1: for me, No, so I saw her for Oh and
Speaker 1: at my party I made so many blacked out, drunk
Speaker 1: plans that I had dinner plans with her. And I
Speaker 1: get a text going, hey, I got the tickets for
Speaker 1: Death Becomes Her. Where should we meet?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I was blacked out. I go, yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: be there in a few hours. Oh so you wait,
Speaker 1: tell me about it because I think I want to
Speaker 1: go at the.
Speaker 4: End of the month.
Speaker 1: Dude, it is awesome as a lover of the movie,
Speaker 1: like any of the things they had to switch for
Speaker 1: the stage, fine, Like it's awesome. It's so fun and
Speaker 1: I've never seen a musical that has to do special effects,
Speaker 1: you know, with like the neck and the fight and
Speaker 1: the stairs, so like the way they do the effects
Speaker 1: is cool, and the set.
Speaker 4: Makes everything look so grand.
Speaker 1: The singing is good, the costumes, the acting, and it's
Speaker 1: funny and it's sexy. Okay, I'm gonna get tickets. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get tickets.
Speaker 4: I want to go.
Speaker 1: I have like one thing that wasn't my fay one
Speaker 1: out of the out of two full acts, there's like
Speaker 1: one little thing that I'm like, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: but I I'm not gonna say. And the best merch ever.
Speaker 1: I bought two pin sets, a magnet and a compact.
Speaker 4: Like I loved it. The pin set is like the
Speaker 4: sem Forraviva Live Forever. Yeah, like the gold little s Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the potion and it says death becomes they're
Speaker 1: all in one, like it's three pins.
Speaker 4: Oh, I love that. That's like really cool. That's so great. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it really was. Uh oh the Radiator, so you.
Speaker 1: Know the people from La that like that came so
Speaker 1: that afterwards I'm like, oh, come to my apartment. Let's
Speaker 1: like smoke some weed and hang out. And we're sitting
Speaker 1: and after a while I go, oh, that's my radiator. Sorry,
Speaker 1: and they go, yeah, no, it's been concerning, but you
Speaker 1: were acting like nothing was happening.
Speaker 4: So we just went along with it. No one's climbing
Speaker 4: in here. It is loud. I think we should leave
Speaker 4: it just for this special episode.
Speaker 1: The sword Fights everybody if you've been familiar, uh yeah,
Speaker 1: this is just New York heating. And then I had
Speaker 1: Shang Wang texted yes stream being like hey, I'm in
Speaker 1: town to do gigs. Like you want to hang, I'm like,
Speaker 1: come on over, and he was like this is insane.
Speaker 4: How do you live with this?
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, unless it's the morning, I don't
Speaker 1: really notice that as much anymore. Wait, I love that
Speaker 1: you and Shanghong out like just haging, that's so fun.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well you know what's funny about him? So
Speaker 1: we had a daytime hang where he just came over.
Speaker 1: Actually the housewives were on, and like they were on,
Speaker 1: I put them on.
Speaker 4: I don't have.
Speaker 1: And it was Berkshire's like Derinda but like the you're
Speaker 1: a whore, you fuck everyone's I made it nice and
Speaker 1: he goes, so's this kind of like a show about like,
Speaker 1: you know, clinical diagnoses.
Speaker 4: Are they all just And I got that's what they
Speaker 4: look at it.
Speaker 1: And then I was giving them the history of like
Speaker 1: women and family and how it were blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and I kept going and then we were watching and
Speaker 1: after an hour and a half he was like, this
Speaker 1: is really making me feel bad and we put this.
Speaker 1: He goes, this is stressful, but it's funny.
Speaker 4: You're right.
Speaker 2: We had like a chill thing. And then I met
Speaker 2: up with him late at night at the cellar post drink.
Speaker 2: Like I saw daytime and nighttime of a person, and
Speaker 2: it was really funny and they were very different.
Speaker 4: But I watched David Tell last night. It was like
Speaker 4: watching Michael Jordan, where you know it's going to be good.
Speaker 1: And we had smoked a ton of blunts and like
Speaker 1: we were ready for it, but I had not left.
Speaker 1: I I can't believe it, and so good to be
Speaker 1: you know, we have He goes, Oh god, the congestion prices.
Speaker 1: He goes, I love it. I love it for my business.
Speaker 1: I mean it's been amazing, you know, sex trafficking. It's
Speaker 1: really zipping and zipping through those bridges. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're so funny. You're so funny.
Speaker 4: Oh he's a legend. Yeah wait, I just keep babbling.
Speaker 1: But thank you everyone that was watching and sending posts
Speaker 1: and like tagging me. It feels really nice, So I
Speaker 1: appreciate that.
Speaker 4: Sure, I loved it.
Speaker 1: I mean it is me trying to rip off David
Speaker 1: Tel's roadwork. In a more fashion. So we need a
Speaker 1: female Dava Tel that's fat. He's like, I haven't. He's like,
Speaker 1: I haven't watched it yet. It's I must say. And
Speaker 1: in my head I'm like, yeah, I hope you don't.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be like this bitch is trying to rip
Speaker 1: me off? No, I mean, how many women are doing
Speaker 1: just Sarah Silverman, how many?
Speaker 4: Like there's so many.
Speaker 1: People ripping everybody off. You can take a davat tell
Speaker 1: another one.
Speaker 4: So homophobic.
Speaker 2: But like someone wrote to Jared Goldstein on his podcast
Speaker 2: being like, this is just Caleb Harron's podcast, like you know,
Speaker 2: stop it, blah blah blah, and it's like and then
Speaker 2: Jared Goldstein wrote, Oh, I'm actually copying Stavros' podcast where
Speaker 2: it's like.
Speaker 4: Shut up.
Speaker 1: Like podcasts are like two people talking on a thing
Speaker 1: is just like what we're all doing. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know what to tell you. I mean ours
Speaker 4: is more intense than.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's a wild that's a like any gay
Speaker 1: man talking to friends is Caleb now.
Speaker 2: But yeah, death becomes from is great. I definitely have
Speaker 2: to uh okay around you gotta go see it. It's
Speaker 2: and we love the movie, so it's like you're gonna
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So we talked about Amelia Perez last week and
Speaker 1: a listener did give us a little bit of context
Speaker 1: about why people hate on it so much, because like
Speaker 1: the director is not Mexican, but he made like a
Speaker 1: Mexican movie where he's like seeing a lot, making a
Speaker 1: lot of you know whatever. And I totally like that
Speaker 1: is context I did not have before I watched it.
Speaker 1: But I hate to say something. Everybody I did enjoy
Speaker 1: Amelia Perez. Oh my god, I might be one of
Speaker 1: the only Jared and I watched it. We were like,
Speaker 1: this is kind of good. Like, I mean, listen, it's
Speaker 1: not a good musical. Like the musical. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: be singing the songs. And that clip that's going around
Speaker 1: the internet of penis to vagina, of vagina to penis
Speaker 1: or whatever is awful.
Speaker 4: That is the most awful clip and that is the
Speaker 4: only clip that's going around. So that is bad.
Speaker 1: But how do you be defying gravity? How does the
Speaker 1: nurst part of the movie you know be you know,
Speaker 1: to me, it's apples and oranges. Like they're not trying
Speaker 1: to be define gravity at all. No, they won the
Speaker 1: Golden Globe for song. This is what I'm saying out.
Speaker 1: Oh that's crazy, That's what I'm saying. It beating Wicked
Speaker 1: for the song. That's crazy. What that's all I'm mad about.
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 1: Oh, I just thought everybody, like everybody's like, why is
Speaker 1: it getting all these nominations for everything? And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: it's not trying to be Wicked. The music's not good.
Speaker 1: And then you're telling me they won the Golden Globe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: That's crazy, defying gravity, loss to penis to Vagina Like that,
Speaker 1: that's not what I'm saying. The acting is really good,
Speaker 1: and I actually like was I was intrigued by the story.
Speaker 1: I do realize that it's problematic in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: And also the star of the show, the star of
Speaker 1: the movie literally has had some really bad tweets resurface.
Speaker 1: So I'm not trying, but I'm just trying to say,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's wrong with my brain. Like Katya
Speaker 1: would not stop talking about how much she hated and
Speaker 1: she could even get through it, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is like a movie I've never seen before.
Speaker 4: Like it was truly like say what you will about it.
Speaker 1: You've never seen anything really like it, and I thought
Speaker 1: it was wild and I kind of was into it.
Speaker 1: Maybe I was, I don't know. Everybody was like, you
Speaker 1: know what you have, Caarra, You have COVID to blame
Speaker 1: that for. You can always say I had COVID when
Speaker 1: I watched I loved it.
Speaker 4: Yes, so there's that.
Speaker 1: But wait, speaking of award shows, let's talk about the
Speaker 1: Grammys for a second.
Speaker 4: What were your big takeaways.
Speaker 1: I feel that we need to do a fucking extraction
Speaker 1: mission on Kanye's wife, Like I'm I feel sad for
Speaker 1: this woman, Like I can't.
Speaker 4: I talked about that's on another pod, but I'm like,
Speaker 4: I just we just have to.
Speaker 1: Have hope that it's a performance piece since she's ivyly educated.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just wish she would do one interview.
Speaker 1: Can you do one interview where you say that everything's okay?
Speaker 1: And then like, I know, but my thing is like,
Speaker 1: if you're using this guy for like I, he's just
Speaker 1: we know he's an abusive man.
Speaker 4: So it's like, yeah, I don't know why we're but
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's I honest, But the thing that's crazy, is I
Speaker 2: I did think the stalking looked good, like it was
Speaker 2: the best sheer stocking that's ever existed. And I talked
Speaker 2: to someone else that was like on a hangar it
Speaker 2: looked really cool too, and it's like, it is cool,
Speaker 2: it's just not the play.
Speaker 4: I don't know, we need the lip reading girl.
Speaker 2: To because they had conversation it seemed like her going
Speaker 2: like I don't want to do this and him being like,
Speaker 2: you have to do it. But then someone's like, maybe
Speaker 2: she has a humiliation kink, like maybe this is what
Speaker 2: she seems to like. We don't really know, but with
Speaker 2: everything we know about him and what's come to light
Speaker 2: about so many other musicians in this industry, I just don't.
Speaker 4: Know how we like sit back and chill out. But
Speaker 4: like that's I guess, just.
Speaker 1: Life right now, Like these horrible things are happening and
Speaker 1: your we're like sitting and I mean it's the Long five.
Speaker 4: It's yeah. Oh but I did see don't look up.
Speaker 4: I've never seen it.
Speaker 1: Oh. I like that.
Speaker 2: It's the best movie ever and it makes me understand
Speaker 2: what's happening now. I'm like, how did Adam McKay in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one predict right now, like it is happening
Speaker 2: right now. He's the richest guy is going and doing
Speaker 2: what he wants and that happened in this movie, and
Speaker 2: like why don't we take those movies more seriously?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know, Like I loved I liked
Speaker 1: that movie a lot when I saw it, and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like everyone says idiocracy is happening, Like we're chiocracy
Speaker 1: was just dumb, not as hateful, Like it was dumb. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they were just like inbred and masturbating, not trying
Speaker 1: to take like they were too dumb for school.
Speaker 4: Not we want to take away school so we have
Speaker 4: child labor and like no more.
Speaker 1: Osha, you know, Like that's what's It's like, it's just
Speaker 1: going back to nineteen fourteen, and you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: really built for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, none of us are.
Speaker 1: I'm nervous about these teens that Elon Musk has running around.
Speaker 1: These guys that are doing all this shit are nineteen
Speaker 1: and twenty. How are they getting into these buildings? How
Speaker 1: are they getting passwords to the computers? Like I don't
Speaker 1: understand any of the logistics. We know that you guys
Speaker 1: all are like all of all of the people that
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast are have amazing careers, and so
Speaker 1: I'm sure some of you work in the We're gonna
Speaker 1: can tell us how a bunch of teens are allowed
Speaker 1: to just go in and like show a picture of
Speaker 1: Elon Musk in a tesla and walk in and get
Speaker 1: classified information. Also, instead of ranting into the ether, if
Speaker 1: you are someone that is working in an industry that
Speaker 1: is being impacted right now, right like if you are
Speaker 1: an immigration law if you are at a school that's
Speaker 1: about to lose your fun, it's like, if you are
Speaker 1: just being impacted right now in a big way, reach
Speaker 1: out to us so then we can like do something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's about the community. It's about small actions,
Speaker 1: about doing what we can. You guys have always been
Speaker 1: amazing with the Amazon wishless for teachers or anytime we
Speaker 1: post about organization or you know what would sister peg
Speaker 1: Do's so like, I mean not to bring it back
Speaker 1: to soul cycle, but my teacher, one of the teachers,
Speaker 1: was like, you know, feel grateful that you feel safe
Speaker 1: in this space, and think about all the people that
Speaker 1: do not have a space like this to feel safe.
Speaker 2: And so it's like thinking about that and like any
Speaker 2: direct impact that we can help. If your boots on
Speaker 2: the ground being impacted right now, let us know, because
Speaker 2: we all will be. I mean, there's a New York
Speaker 2: doctor being fucking sued for giving an abortion pill to
Speaker 2: someone in Louisiana. And why you canceled the appointments of
Speaker 2: two kids getting a gender It's back here, I know,
Speaker 2: I know it's back.
Speaker 1: It's back. They they said they the Attorney General for
Speaker 1: New York said fuck that. But yeah, like there are
Speaker 1: I'm just like praying that the checks and balances we
Speaker 1: have in place are going to be enough to hold
Speaker 1: us up there. I don't think they are next four years.
Speaker 1: But we can't all we can't go down with Grammy's. Grammy.
Speaker 1: It's Grammy, It's Grammy, It's Grammy's. I didn't watch it
Speaker 1: all the way through.
Speaker 2: I've just been watching the performances online and like the outfits,
Speaker 2: you know, just keeping up how I can. I don't
Speaker 2: know why it's not on my Paramount Plus or Hulu
Speaker 2: or anything yet, like give it to me, but I
Speaker 2: loved it.
Speaker 4: It's for the girls. Men should not be invited to
Speaker 4: award shows.
Speaker 1: They should not be included at all, Like the girlies
Speaker 1: are everything and we yeah proved it. This is I
Speaker 1: loved ev I liked I liked that it felt like
Speaker 1: they all were happy to see each other and chatting,
Speaker 1: like yeah, I feel stuffy.
Speaker 2: It wasn't stuffy. It was exciting. People were fans of
Speaker 2: the music this year and that was really exciting. And
Speaker 2: there's so much good music.
Speaker 1: I mean, like we talked about this on Hysteria or
Speaker 1: something about how like may like in sort of bad
Speaker 1: political climates, there's always like a lot of good art.
Speaker 1: And like the music right now is just like awesome,
Speaker 1: Like there's so much good music that's like one silver lining.
Speaker 1: It's like there's just I mean, I can't believe how
Speaker 1: much Kendrick won for a dis track. That is fucking awesome.
Speaker 1: I mean, and this is huge for haters. Yeah, huge
Speaker 1: for haters.
Speaker 4: I am sad for Billy. I'm not even sad for Taylor.
Speaker 2: I think Taylor knew she was gonna go home empty handed,
Speaker 2: but Billy I wish she had one. But like I
Speaker 2: was talking to someone, there's to take because I was like,
Speaker 2: maybe Sabrina could have only won one, but she could
Speaker 2: that's her songs were fucking hit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Billy, but Billy's album was really good and that sucks.
Speaker 4: But I don't know. She's like twenty. She gonna give
Speaker 4: us so much more.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be watching her win Grammys till we're dead,
Speaker 1: No for sure, And she has so many oscars. But like,
Speaker 1: Taylor looked so sexy. I loved her getting drunk in
Speaker 1: fun like I love her vibe. But if I was
Speaker 1: one of the cooler girls, I would fuck.
Speaker 2: I know people are annoyed with her, Like I know
Speaker 2: people are like, oh great, she won't sit the fuck
Speaker 2: down like I wanna be. I want to hear Miley
Speaker 2: talk shit about Taylor, Like that's what I want.
Speaker 4: Your dream.
Speaker 1: Your dream is like you Miley a joint and some
Speaker 1: shit talk. Yeah, but I doci. I mean love How
Speaker 1: cool is it to win an award and then be
Speaker 1: able to perform with no stress, nothing to prove bitch
Speaker 1: I won, Like I just feel that energy. But the choreo, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, if she'd I that's that is creative every genie.
Speaker 4: I mean she level.
Speaker 1: Like I was watching some video I saw some not
Speaker 1: even videos, like a meme that was like just stills
Speaker 1: of her making a video five years ago.
Speaker 4: She's like, well, I just lost my job.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just gonna like go around tomorrow to
Speaker 1: record companies and see if, like they'll give me an internship.
Speaker 1: And then it was just the next slide. It's just
Speaker 1: her winning her Grammy and it was five years ago,
Speaker 1: Like that's cool.
Speaker 2: It's so cool, like Sabrine, everyone leave. Everyone was just
Speaker 2: so them and no one could do it. They like
Speaker 2: Sabrina Carpenter's performance, so her, so old timey Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker 2: Then you have Charlie XCX just like yeah, yeah, dirty dirty.
Speaker 2: Everyone was just so perfect and yourselves like it was.
Speaker 1: It was awesome. And then you know that man, you know,
Speaker 1: flipping in the air. Yeah, well somebody you'll love this
Speaker 1: because I don't know if you saw this, but I
Speaker 1: saw some meme that was a picture of that guy,
Speaker 1: and it goes every generation has its imagined dragons, and
Speaker 1: I know your sister loves imagine dragons. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: don't even know what that it like, just the flipping
Speaker 1: because well no, because the song is very it's like
Speaker 1: he sings that. It's like on TikTok about beautiful, you know,
Speaker 1: like that's like it sounds like an imagine dragons sound,
Speaker 1: I think, but the flipping. I don't think the dragons flip,
Speaker 1: but yeah, like the spiritual of it all. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: like rocky pop rock pop with a just a little
Speaker 1: dash of Christianity.
Speaker 4: But a little bit of church. But yeah, wow, it
Speaker 4: was great. It was good.
Speaker 1: I mean I again, I watched Album of the Year live,
Speaker 1: like I watched that get announced because that was like
Speaker 1: by the time I got my kids to bed, everything else,
Speaker 1: I took it. I love all the memes of people
Speaker 1: being like Blue Ivy runs that family, like Blue Ivy
Speaker 1: being like mom, or get up there, get up to
Speaker 1: the ward, go like get it together.
Speaker 4: They're like they're sweet. She seems sweet.
Speaker 1: I wonder what the twins are up to, Like is
Speaker 1: Blue the clear favorite or they just want to be private?
Speaker 4: Like I'm so curious of dynamic.
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe it's like to a certain age
Speaker 1: because the twins are young because we knew Blue the
Speaker 1: whole time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we knew Blue the whole time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also love the memes because everyone hates on
Speaker 1: Taylor so much and like I get it in this
Speaker 1: but I love all of the videos now of like
Speaker 1: everyone listening to not like us, and everyone's calm, and
Speaker 1: then it's like Taylor listening and it's like she was
Speaker 1: going nuts dancing doing like what the stinky leg or something.
Speaker 1: So it's like all of these black creators are like
Speaker 1: dancing as Taylor, being like, why did anyone tell us
Speaker 1: she was fun?
Speaker 4: Wait? Hold on way, way way, and so like.
Speaker 1: I'm really excited that a community that like didn't really
Speaker 1: fuck with her, like, oh wait, we like this drunk
Speaker 1: bit who's dancing and like into Kendrick and holding a
Speaker 1: bottle and all of their recreations of her.
Speaker 4: I mean, they all dance better than her in their
Speaker 4: in their memes.
Speaker 1: But I love the love she's getting online because she's
Speaker 1: usually just getting I mean, obviously she's beloved.
Speaker 4: Right, but she gets probably almost equal hate. I'm sure. Yeah,
Speaker 4: So I just love that. Oh my god, we didn't
Speaker 4: even talk about Gaga. Like the new song is good.
Speaker 4: I haven't heard it. Ak, it's fucking good. It is good.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I texted you this. We have to stop
Speaker 1: because we'll just keep going. But I text you this.
Speaker 1: But COVID. One of the silver linings of COVID was
Speaker 1: I got fully into the fucking Traders and oh my god,
Speaker 1: you told me forever. My friend's other friends told me forever.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I'll get into it.
Speaker 4: I'll get into it.
Speaker 1: I never like shows like Survivor because I don't want
Speaker 1: to watch people like fighting for food and like naked
Speaker 1: on a beach like, but this is like Survivor indoors,
Speaker 1: like in a nice castle, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like that's what I like.
Speaker 1: I like all the intrigue. I like all the can
Speaker 1: I talk to you for a second, Hey, can I
Speaker 1: just can I grab you? Like they're all just like
Speaker 1: going into rooms and gossiping.
Speaker 4: Are you kidding? It seems like the best and I
Speaker 4: have been loving it.
Speaker 1: So if this is your sign that if people have
Speaker 1: been telling you to get into Traders, I was holding
Speaker 1: out just honestly, not based on anything, based on time.
Speaker 1: And oh my god, I'm now I'm like appointment on
Speaker 1: Thursdays watching it. Yeah I'm one episode behind at the moment,
Speaker 1: but yeah, fuck yah. Yeah it's a good show.
Speaker 4: And the outfits, the girls that the Barbie the Bambies
Speaker 4: are bringing it. Yeah, the Bambies.
Speaker 1: I love when Bob not Bob the drag queen, Bob
Speaker 1: Harper was like, I want to be a Bambie. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know. One time I was working out next to
Speaker 1: him at my old gym in West Hollywood, like in
Speaker 1: a really hard class, and I was like, this is
Speaker 1: not I was like, this is crazy. Why am I
Speaker 1: working out next to the biggest loser guy? Like I
Speaker 1: shouldn't be here. By the way, I'm sick, but I
Speaker 1: also worked out the last two days because I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get back into it. I can't walk. So not
Speaker 1: only am I sick, I can barely walk. My muscles
Speaker 1: are dying.
Speaker 4: I don't think mid COVID is the time to pick
Speaker 4: up a routine.
Speaker 1: I was done with my COVID.
Speaker 4: The pink line was gone.
Speaker 1: I did pilates one day and then I did boxing
Speaker 1: the next day and it was so fun. And now
Speaker 1: I can't walk. That sounds fun. Now it's it's awesome.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like scared to go back.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I really felt so sick, but like I I'm
Speaker 2: actually doing two classes on Saturday. What because my teacher
Speaker 2: is covering the next class, So she's doing TTPD to
Speaker 2: reputation from one to one forty five and then at
Speaker 2: two to two forty five, she's doing nineteen eighty nine
Speaker 2: to debut.
Speaker 4: Wow, So I'm gonna do doubled. I'm gonna just do
Speaker 4: it whatever. Who cares? How else am I going to
Speaker 4: get the attention of the teacher I love? Are you
Speaker 4: gonna do too?
Speaker 1: Go for it? While I'm snotting everywhere full snoting by Saturday.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: I also would like to say my friend Jared Goldstein,
Speaker 1: I'm talking to him online.
Speaker 2: I'm talking shit about some one and he goes, you're
Speaker 2: a nerd. I go, excuse me. He goes, why don't
Speaker 2: you go look at your fireplace? You don't think you're
Speaker 2: a fucking nerd? And then I realized, I'm a nerd?
Speaker 2: Why what's in your fireplace?
Speaker 4: My toys? I have a pretzel clits like my trolls,
Speaker 4: my Simpsons nerd for toys. You're a yeah, you are
Speaker 4: kind of like a merch toy nerd.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm like talking about these weird TV shows from
Speaker 1: seventeen years ago in depth analysis of the house, and
Speaker 1: I like it was just this slap in the face
Speaker 1: that I needed where I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: Why do you take a look at your fireplace?
Speaker 1: I can't believe about fucking good Nerd. I'm so devastated.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm well, it's fine. That was my big
Speaker 1: thing I had written. Also, February twenty third, Karen and
Speaker 1: I are doing That's Messed Up Live in Washington, d C. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well the planes stay in the sky. We'll see, let's hope,
Speaker 1: so we'll see.
Speaker 4: Tickets are going.
Speaker 1: The tickets are going pretty fast, but we still have
Speaker 1: some left. So guys, get out there and get some ticks.
Speaker 1: You can go to That's Messed Up Live dot com,
Speaker 1: so you don't don't just google That's Messed Up in
Speaker 1: DC because you'll get a fucking like link that's trying.
Speaker 4: To scam you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go to That's messed Up Live dot com. We
Speaker 1: have the true link. And then Lisa will be there
Speaker 1: the weekend before. By the way, go see Lisa do
Speaker 1: stand up that Saturday, that Friday, Saturday, and then come
Speaker 1: see us do the pot on Sunday. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: this weekend in Portland for V Day week. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think I have some good outfits planned. My got
Speaker 1: my sight in my lover's sweater.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's my first road date in months, Like I truly
Speaker 2: it feels weird. It feels weird to take breaks, like
Speaker 2: most of my career have just like never taken time off.
Speaker 4: And I feel like.
Speaker 2: This year was the longest I've been off the road
Speaker 2: in chunks of my whole life, my whole career, even
Speaker 2: when I start like cause I took two months off
Speaker 2: the road in the summer and then like two months
Speaker 2: off now, and like I don't think I've ever done that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's good, right, Well, my business manager has
Speaker 1: given me a call for sure. He goes, are you
Speaker 1: gonna work anytime soon? Because I'm getting blowouts?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: But uh, hell us, Oh my god, all right, I'm
Speaker 4: killing time at Del Frisco's. I mean it's out a control.
Speaker 1: Well, we have a aalise today and they've already they
Speaker 1: gave us a ten what feels like forty five minutes ago,
Speaker 1: So we should get started on the episode. But yes,
Speaker 1: go to I also wanted to say, not to keep
Speaker 1: plugging stuff. But the move Goodrich is on Max. Oh yes,
Speaker 1: Jared saw it. Jared saw he said he saw you.
Speaker 1: How did he feel? I mean, Michael Keaton is such
Speaker 1: a good actor. He liked it, but I don't think
Speaker 1: he saw all of it. He just saw he saw
Speaker 1: your part though. He's like, I started watching Good Rich
Speaker 1: and he's like, I got to lease his part.
Speaker 4: But he was the scene of.
Speaker 1: Michael Keaton in that elevator and he starts tearing it
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, wow, Yeah, a man of our
Speaker 1: kind of times.
Speaker 4: I don't know what else did I watch? Research? Oh,
Speaker 4: was I gonna?
Speaker 1: I was about to talk about escape at Xana Moor again.
Speaker 1: Get me get out, cut me out. We gotta stop.
Speaker 1: But go to That's Messed Up live dot com also
Speaker 1: and scroll down and you can go to Lisa's thing
Speaker 1: to see all her future roaddates because she's got a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff going on. And I'm gonna update my
Speaker 1: website today. My manager I was like, I it's like
Speaker 1: photos from twenty nineteen. There's no road dates on it,
Speaker 1: the specials not on it. It's my well, I am
Speaker 1: my manager's email. Yeah, but I should get the link
Speaker 1: tree on the website for God's sake.
Speaker 4: What that look is going on? But it is hard
Speaker 4: to focus on stuff when you wanna Yeah, all right
Speaker 4: with that? And Ray review five star.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And also guys, go to Apple and rate and
Speaker 1: review us. Please it's important right now. No, but let's
Speaker 1: get started on the episode. We've got a good one
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: We are today doing Solving for Unknowns, Season twenty one,
Speaker 1: episode nineteen.
Speaker 4: Damn.
Speaker 1: This episode dropped like right at the beginning of the pandemic,
Speaker 1: but is one of these was from the final the
Speaker 1: season they shot right before, so everything's still normal. There's
Speaker 1: nobody kind of taking a mask on and off whenever
Speaker 1: they feel like it, or judges with plastic in front
Speaker 1: of them. So Benson and Rollins are just having a
Speaker 1: girl's day at the shooting range, and Benson's like, let's
Speaker 1: pop off another round and go get drunk, baby, which
Speaker 1: sounds like a lot of fun. But Rollins is like,
Speaker 1: my babysitter, and I'm like, what's another twenty dollars? Come
Speaker 1: on twenty five? I don't know what you're paying. Benson says,
Speaker 1: there are some squad room changes. I want to run
Speaker 1: by you, and Rolin's like, what's up? Is Kat fucking up?
Speaker 1: And then Benson's like, well, you need to report to
Speaker 1: one PP on Friday. And you can tell Rollins has
Speaker 1: kind of like always been a little bit of a
Speaker 1: fuck up because she immediately is like what did I do? Like,
Speaker 1: am I losing my job over my gambling? My insane
Speaker 1: sure that I've covered for my flirting with serial killers?
Speaker 4: Like what did I do? And Benson's like, I'm just
Speaker 4: messing with you.
Speaker 1: Girl. You're getting promoted to detective's second grade. And Rollins
Speaker 1: is like, oh my god, I didn't even think for
Speaker 1: a second it could be a good thing. Like she's like,
Speaker 1: she's like, after the year I've had and twenty one,
Speaker 1: season twenty one is actually a very busy season for her.
Speaker 1: Like when you go through the Hulu, like a lot
Speaker 1: of the episodes are like Rollins does this, Rowins does that.
Speaker 1: But what I'm assuming she's referring to specifically is how
Speaker 1: she got kidnapped by that other cop whose daughter was
Speaker 1: being trafficked.
Speaker 4: And she had to like talk him off the ledge
Speaker 4: that he wouldn't kill her.
Speaker 1: Did that episode, Yeah, yeah, Boo Bouchie the guy's like
Speaker 1: name is Bouchie or something, so live in Rollin's hug.
Speaker 1: And then Rollins is like, bottom's up or drinking. So
Speaker 1: a Uni gets into the car. Now we're at a
Speaker 1: different scene. It's at night. A Uni gets into a
Speaker 1: car as partner he hands his partner coffee and she's like,
Speaker 1: did you bring me anything? And he's like, oh my bad,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you guys are no Benson and Stabler
Speaker 1: in terms of chemistry. We cut to a woman driving
Speaker 1: down a street in New York in a massive delivery
Speaker 1: truck with a cupcake on top.
Speaker 4: Okay, it is very wild the visual.
Speaker 1: Okay, she's swerving all over the road, she looks traumatized, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, this doesn't look like a drunk person
Speaker 1: to me. And then finally she runs into the cop
Speaker 1: car like she's swerving all over the place. People are
Speaker 1: running out of the way of her car, and then
Speaker 1: bam into the cop car where these two cops are
Speaker 1: drinking their coffee and talking about sweet treets. And it
Speaker 1: is funny also that it's a cupcake, because she was like,
Speaker 1: did you bring me something sweet?
Speaker 4: And then bam they get slammed by a cupcake truck.
Speaker 1: It's very classic SVU imagery, I feel, and I do
Speaker 1: think it's funny that they had to like either find
Speaker 1: a cupcake truck or make one for the show just
Speaker 1: so this scene could happen. And like, the cupcake truck
Speaker 1: is very prominent in the entire episode. So this girl
Speaker 1: stumbles out of thecake truck. She looks dazed. Her name
Speaker 1: is Jill, it's written on the truck. It's called like
Speaker 1: Jill's Cupcakes or something. She has no idea what's going on.
Speaker 1: They think she's drunk, but obviously this is SVU. It
Speaker 1: seems like more than that. She loses her footing but
Speaker 1: isn't really passing out, and the cops coffer. They're at
Speaker 1: the precinct and they're asking her to blow into a breathalyzer,
Speaker 1: but she's sucking in. They're taking her fingerprints and she's
Speaker 1: wincing in pain, like there's something going on with this person,
Speaker 1: you know. Like now she's in a very very like
Speaker 1: rough and tumble holding cell with a ton of other women,
Speaker 1: and she has.
Speaker 4: No idea why she's even there. She's like, where am I?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: What am I doing here? So this is not just
Speaker 1: like a woman who got wasted and decided to take
Speaker 1: her cupcake truck on a joy ride. So now we're
Speaker 1: at arraignment and Caresee is remanding some freak and Finn
Speaker 1: is there to make sure that the guy goes down.
Speaker 1: Jill is sitting there, completely out of it. And when
Speaker 1: they ask her to plead, she goes plead and her
Speaker 1: lawyer just goes, not guilty, and then you know, Carisee's
Speaker 1: obviously clocking that this woman's acting a little bit weird.
Speaker 1: Suddenly Jill can speak and she remembers some things, and
Speaker 1: she goes, I was raped last night and the cops
Speaker 1: arrested me. So obviously, Cariese's like, well, that's not gonna
Speaker 1: fly with me. He's gonna get her over to SVU obviously,
Speaker 1: and we are at the credits. So now we're at
Speaker 1: the squad room and Creasy is giving live the rundown.
Speaker 1: Her name is Jill Baker. She's thirty five, fun Jill Baker,
Speaker 1: and she's a baker. I just said that wrong. Her
Speaker 1: name is Jill Bailey. Her name is Jill Bailey, and
Speaker 1: she's a couple Like, that's you. That's more silly than
Speaker 1: usually goes, but I was into it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 1: Her name is Jill Marketing executive and she like, no, sorry,
Speaker 1: Jill big Bailey is thirty five.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, you won't believe.
Speaker 2: And I was doing some crowd work at the cellar
Speaker 2: and this dude was a defense contractor for foreign weapons
Speaker 2: and his partner who was with him was a social
Speaker 2: worker for cancer patients. Oh my god, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: did you have fun with that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Thank you? Yeah at that time.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I mean, it's like you just know
Speaker 1: how to pick them, you really do. You never get
Speaker 1: a boring one. So this girl, Jill, her blood alcohol
Speaker 1: is point zh nine, which is barely over the limit,
Speaker 1: but the arresting officer said she was wasted. So now
Speaker 1: she's in wood room lines talking to Katamine and Rollins,
Speaker 1: and she's like, I was at a bar downtown. I
Speaker 1: was on a date with a guy named Luke. I
Speaker 1: met him on Trueheart, another addition to the SVU website
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. That's like their version of match, or
Speaker 1: their version of actually no Tinder. And they ordered Howlers.
Speaker 1: She said she had two. They must have been strong.
Speaker 1: She's like, I felt not like myself. I still feel
Speaker 1: not like myself. She's like, then my memory drops out
Speaker 1: and it picks back up with me trying to drive
Speaker 1: my truck.
Speaker 4: So here's what I don't understand.
Speaker 1: It's like, you're a cupcake baker in Manhattan, and like,
Speaker 1: why are you driving your truck to a date. I
Speaker 1: don't understand, like you must be you must be parking
Speaker 1: your truck somewhere, Like you can't be using a massive
Speaker 1: truck that's impossible to park with a cupcake on top,
Speaker 1: to go hang out at bars like that.
Speaker 4: It's just so crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not victim blaming something happened, but i
Speaker 1: am like, kind of the logistics of how you parked
Speaker 1: your truck are crazy to me. Anyway, she felt like
Speaker 1: her body wasn't listening to her brain. She felt drugged.
Speaker 1: So then in court, maybe because the guy in front
Speaker 1: of her that Finn was there to make sure went down,
Speaker 1: maybe because he was there for a sexual assault charge.
Speaker 4: In court, she said it.
Speaker 1: Hit her that Luke had raped her, Like her clothes
Speaker 1: felt wrong, she was sore.
Speaker 4: She's like, I just knew I'd been raped.
Speaker 1: And so she goes to show them the messages that
Speaker 1: they had exchanged on True Heart and they're gone, but
Speaker 1: she says he messaged her something like, oh I had
Speaker 1: a fun time, did you get home okay?
Speaker 4: And that she wrote what did you do to me?
Speaker 1: And then he obviously matched her and Kat goes, oh,
Speaker 1: so he ghosted you, And I'm like, Cat, that's not
Speaker 1: really ghosting if he's covering his tracks for a sexual assault.
Speaker 1: Like I know that's like kind of a it's kind
Speaker 1: of like a sort of elementary way to put it.
Speaker 1: But like so Rollins is like, well, we can contact
Speaker 1: the app, but like we need you to get to
Speaker 1: the hospital right now so we can like do a
Speaker 1: talk screen find out if you were drugged. And Cat's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're going to test you for over three hundred drugs.
Speaker 1: So now they're at the bar from the date, the
Speaker 1: Howler bar, okay, and Rollins and Finn are chatting. They're like,
Speaker 1: Cat's not getting anywhere with the dating app, and then
Speaker 1: they see it, which is honestly should be part of this,
Speaker 1: like why the dating app like does not help and
Speaker 1: like later you find out more information about the dating
Speaker 1: app like not being responsible. But they see a sign
Speaker 1: for the Howlers and that they ask the bartender like, oh,
Speaker 1: what's in these? And he says white rum palm, sugar
Speaker 1: panned and leaves and coconut cream. So maybe it's like
Speaker 1: a little bit of a Pina colada vibe. I can't
Speaker 1: figure what this would taste like. I can't imagine what
Speaker 1: this would taste like. But anyway, he remembers Jill, even
Speaker 1: though it was so busy. Of course, he's the bar,
Speaker 1: he's an s View bartender. Of course he remembers everybody's name,
Speaker 1: what they ordered, and like how they paid. He remembers
Speaker 1: exactly the guy. He goes, he paid with cash, because
Speaker 1: I remember he counted the money out loud as he
Speaker 1: put it down. And they say, well, we're gonna need
Speaker 1: your security footage, and he goes, well, they're not my cameras.
Speaker 1: I'm freelance. And then Finn's like, get a manager. Will wait, like,
Speaker 1: don't fuck with Finn, you weird bartender. So at the precinct,
Speaker 1: now the timeline's coming together. They've got crystal clear footage
Speaker 1: of Luke and Jill at the bar from eight to
Speaker 1: eight fifty. They have two drinks, they're pounded them. That's
Speaker 1: fifty minutes to order drink too, and then they're out
Speaker 1: of there. Like there's no sign on the video of
Speaker 1: him spiking the drinks at all. They walk out. She
Speaker 1: doesn't seem fucked up, she doesn't seem drugged. She's walking okay.
Speaker 1: At nine o'clock they catch them on street cams. They're walking,
Speaker 1: she seems fine. An hour goes and then they have
Speaker 1: him walking her to her truck again, her cupcake truck.
Speaker 1: I'm laughing at her cupcake truck being driven to the date.
Speaker 1: Let me walk you to your truck. So he walks
Speaker 1: her out to the cupcake truck. They kiss gobye in
Speaker 1: front of it, and then she's standing there but they're like,
Speaker 1: she doesn't seem responsive, like he kisses her and she
Speaker 1: just stands there kind of like a zombie. And then
Speaker 1: the crash was ten minutes later, so he either drugged
Speaker 1: her in the bar or during this lost hour and
Speaker 1: lives like, well, we know what blocks they were on
Speaker 1: in that hour, so let's go like someone saw them.
Speaker 4: So we cut to the canvas.
Speaker 1: A doorman knows exactly who this guy is, says he
Speaker 1: has an annoying dog, points them to a bodegas and
Speaker 1: then where he goes. The bodega guy goes, I know
Speaker 1: this guy. He buys two beers every night, pays with
Speaker 1: cash and counts it out on the counter or whatever.
Speaker 1: But they also have a break. Bodega guy goes, I
Speaker 1: know where he lives. When it rains, he orders in
Speaker 1: and they're like two beers and he's like two beers
Speaker 1: in a pizza to be fair. They're like, we bring
Speaker 1: him a pizza, and I'm like, what bodega makes pizza.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's a like a Stofer's French crust
Speaker 1: or something that you do in the microwave, but I've
Speaker 1: never had Podiga pizza.
Speaker 4: At his apartment.
Speaker 1: We finally meet Luke Mitchell, and I don't think I
Speaker 1: realized this the very first time I watched this episode,
Speaker 1: but he is played by Eddie K Thomas, who is
Speaker 1: famously the guy who fucks Stiffler's mom an American Pie. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he is shipbreak. He's you know, he works a lot.
Speaker 1: He was in Harold and Kumar, a bunch of episodes
Speaker 1: of Masol. He was a regular on till Death, ninety
Speaker 1: plus episodes of a show called Scorpion. Like, this guy's
Speaker 1: working all the time. He's a voice on American Dad.
Speaker 1: He's done like one hundred and ninety episodes of American
Speaker 1: Dad or something like that. So Eddie K Thomas is working.
Speaker 1: So he's like, my place is kind of a mess,
Speaker 1: and they're like, we've seen worse. They kind of elbow
Speaker 1: their way in and he's like, oh yeah, Jill, did
Speaker 1: you know he drives she drives a cupcake truck, and
Speaker 1: he's kind of laughing, and I'm like, I want to
Speaker 1: be clear. I'm not laughing that she drives a cop
Speaker 1: cupcake truck. I'm laughing that she took one to a
Speaker 1: date in Manhattan, that's all. And he says after the bar,
Speaker 1: they came back to his place and had sex, but
Speaker 1: it was consensual. And he's like, I always ask these days,
Speaker 1: implying that like four years ago, he never asked. You know,
Speaker 1: like four years ago, I just did whatever, But nowadays
Speaker 1: I'm asking. Okay, So we already are getting a weird
Speaker 1: Incelli vibe from him.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: He mentions walking to her to the truck, and Finn says, yeah,
Speaker 1: we know, we saw it. And Luke's like, oh, I
Speaker 1: guess we're living in a police state. But I guess
Speaker 1: it's good. You know.
Speaker 4: It's like he makes cops.
Speaker 1: You can tell what he would talk about with his friends,
Speaker 1: about treating women and stuff. So they ask about the
Speaker 1: app and about how he goes, yeah, actually, Jill wrote
Speaker 1: me something weird and they're like, yeah, was it?
Speaker 4: What did you do to me?
Speaker 1: And he's like, come on, guys. He keeps calling the
Speaker 1: cops guys. He does this multiple times, like he's trying
Speaker 1: to like befriend the cops. And he's like, I support
Speaker 1: all the me too stuff. I'm one of the nice guys.
Speaker 1: And he says it in a way that implies he
Speaker 1: is absolutely not one of the nice ones and does
Speaker 1: not support that quote unk quote stuff. And then he
Speaker 1: starts saying, you know, the pendulum swings way too far.
Speaker 1: These women come up with ideas and they just blame
Speaker 1: anybody for anything. It's like, you're not anybody. She didn't
Speaker 1: point a finger at a random stranger. She's pointing a
Speaker 1: finger at someone she just went on a date with
Speaker 1: the night before, Like, this is absolutely not crazy. And
Speaker 1: his dog is barking and he's like, look, I got
Speaker 1: to take my dog out for a walk, and fing
Speaker 1: goes and then get your two beers and Luke's like,
Speaker 1: no disrespect, but can I ask you guys to leave?
Speaker 1: And then they leave and Kat goes seem like a
Speaker 1: nice guy to you, and Finn goes for a rapist,
Speaker 1: so they're onto this guy. Jill is now in Live's
Speaker 1: office watching footage of the walk to the truck with
Speaker 1: the good night kiss.
Speaker 4: She doesn't remember any of it.
Speaker 1: They tell her that he's saying the sex at his
Speaker 1: apartment was consensual, and she's like, I was in his apartment,
Speaker 1: Like she's not even chucked about the sec that there
Speaker 1: was intercourse.
Speaker 4: She's like, I don't even remember being there. More bad news.
Speaker 1: The top screen came back negative and they're like, you know,
Speaker 1: so it's possible that it had cleared your system, or
Speaker 1: that you were dosed for something outside of these three
Speaker 1: hundred drugs that we test for. Finn's like, listen, people
Speaker 1: design drugs that are not testable, Like the labs can't
Speaker 1: keep up. She goes, you mean drugs that turn women
Speaker 1: into zombies, and Live goes, Yeah, a lot of times
Speaker 1: victims can walk and talk, but they don't know where
Speaker 1: they are or what's happening. And this is like an
Speaker 1: episode we covered called Smut where a guy did this
Speaker 1: where he was drugging women with scopolamine, which is honestly
Speaker 1: an anti nausea medication, but in a certain dose can
Speaker 1: have you you can like we talked about it and
Speaker 1: are thing like people can use it to take people
Speaker 1: to ATMs and they take out all the cash on
Speaker 1: their account and give it to them like they act,
Speaker 1: they can function, they can even speak a little bit,
Speaker 1: but they're basically walking zombies. So liv is like, we
Speaker 1: believe you. Everything that you told us about the way
Speaker 1: you felt at that moment, and what happened is evidence.
Speaker 1: And Jill's like, well what about a conviction and lives
Speaker 1: like you leave that to us. So now Careesi shows
Speaker 1: up at the Prince pre saying t runs into Jill
Speaker 1: and she's like, well, my life is terrible. Talk screen
Speaker 1: came back negative and I have a DUI and my
Speaker 1: truck is impounded. And Creasy's like, I'll get that dui
Speaker 1: kicked down the road for you until we figure out
Speaker 1: what's happening, like with your assault case. And so then
Speaker 1: he goes into the squad room and he's like, give
Speaker 1: me the Luke Mitchell information, like he wants to help Jill.
Speaker 1: Luke Mitchell has no record, but this was well planned.
Speaker 1: He has probably done this before. He's a risk analyst
Speaker 1: in midtown. Never married. Kat goes borin ass Facebook, which
Speaker 1: I love, like I love. She's just like that Facebook
Speaker 1: is giving nothing, and Finn goes he's a loser, no wonder.
Speaker 1: He needed an app to get a date, which is
Speaker 1: shady because plenty of people are married to people they
Speaker 1: meet on apps, and Rollins is like, not everyone can
Speaker 1: be as magnetic as you. And then Kat defends the apps.
Speaker 1: She goes, it's the fastest way to meet people. But
Speaker 1: I've gone out on a lot of dates where people
Speaker 1: are nothing like they are in their profiles.
Speaker 4: So Cat's out there getting catfished.
Speaker 1: Live wants a warrant for Luke's apartment, but Cariese's like, well,
Speaker 1: the talk screen is negative. I can't do it warrant
Speaker 1: if I have nothing for them to actually search for
Speaker 1: that specific Then dundun Rollin gets a lead. She finds
Speaker 1: a same mo in ycap. Four months ago, Rebecca Larson
Speaker 1: said she was drugged and raped by someone named Luke
Speaker 1: from a True Heart app. It's like, dude, there's twelve apps.
Speaker 1: Get on a different app. Stop like you're trying to
Speaker 1: get away with it. I'm not trying to tell people
Speaker 1: how to get away with shiit. But Jesus Brooklyn SVU
Speaker 1: caught the case. They closed it for insufficient evidence, but
Speaker 1: you know, Benson is ready to put it.
Speaker 2: Also is like the people in charge, they're not going
Speaker 2: to do anything. I mean, that's a big problem, like
Speaker 2: I think you can probably do fucked up shit.
Speaker 3: And now.
Speaker 2: It's kind of how if you write men are trash,
Speaker 2: she'll get in trouble. But you can write like die
Speaker 2: you dumbhore.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll be fine.
Speaker 2: It's like the people in charge of being on top
Speaker 2: of it are also in cel tech doors.
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 1: They're like, ugh, yeah, we're not going to take this
Speaker 1: guy off our platform because he's just out there trying
Speaker 1: to get chicks. You know, he didn't do anything. It's
Speaker 1: me too, gone amuck. Anyway, they're talking out to Rebecca
Speaker 1: and bless her. She lives in a beautiful, huge apartment
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. Okay, she says the Brooklyn s View detectives
Speaker 1: stopped returning her calls after her talk screen turned up negative.
Speaker 1: This is how you know our squad is different, Okay,
Speaker 1: because that's probably more along the lines of what happens
Speaker 1: in real life, Like your talks ring comes up negative,
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, fake or bye. So they tell her
Speaker 1: she might have been drugged with something like they told
Speaker 1: Jill that doesn't have that there's no test for. And
Speaker 1: Rebecca's like, but I was careful, like I ordered beer
Speaker 1: in a bottle. How could that happen? Which is a
Speaker 1: good that's point, yeah, yeah, And she had one beer.
Speaker 1: They asked her about the date and she goes, well,
Speaker 1: he wasn't hot, but he seemed fine. What to read? Wow,
Speaker 1: Like you seemed okay but not hot. They went to
Speaker 1: a place called Pinky six. She only had one beer,
Speaker 1: got woozy. Then big gap in her memory and only
Speaker 1: tiny flashes. And in the tiny flashes, she's like, I'm awake,
Speaker 1: but I can't open my eyes. I feel limp, I
Speaker 1: can't move. I knew I was on my bed naked,
Speaker 1: I knew someone was on top of me. My whole
Speaker 1: body's shaking. And then my eyes pop open, and then
Speaker 1: she go, they go, do you remember what you saw?
Speaker 1: And then it's a hard cut to a lineup with
Speaker 1: Rebecca trying to pick the guy out of a lineup
Speaker 1: and it's all mid white guys in weezer glasses, like
Speaker 1: it's so many of the same white hipster guy like
Speaker 1: or wanna be hipster guy? You know, Like she identifies Luke,
Speaker 1: she thinks, but she's like, can you ask him to
Speaker 1: come closer and put his chin up? Meanwhile, of course,
Speaker 1: at the exact time this is going on, Jill is
Speaker 1: at the precinct to fill out forms, like, yeah, whoever
Speaker 1: is in charge of the schedule at SV he really needs.
Speaker 4: A talking to.
Speaker 1: You guys need an office admin, Like you really need
Speaker 1: someone running the schedule because you have way too many
Speaker 1: victims there at the same time so that they can
Speaker 1: fuck up their identifications. Also, the purp is there, like
Speaker 1: he's there, like he's there for the lineup, Like, so,
Speaker 1: why would you risk her running into her abuser anyway?
Speaker 1: Of course that's what's happening, because it's a TV show
Speaker 1: backed and and Jill is clocking and she's like is
Speaker 1: he in there?
Speaker 4: Is someone ideing him? Like she knows what's up.
Speaker 1: Back to Rebecca, once she sees Luke with his chin
Speaker 1: in the air, she starts freaking out and she's like
Speaker 1: that's him, that's him, I know for sure, and Live
Speaker 1: has a calmer down. She's like having a full bodily
Speaker 1: reaction and she runs out of the room. Of course,
Speaker 1: Jill sees her, runs up to her and is like
Speaker 1: did he rape you too?
Speaker 4: Did he drug you?
Speaker 1: And they have to like keep them apart and say
Speaker 1: like stop talking to each other. You could blow the
Speaker 1: whole case and then they separate them. But Rebecca tells
Speaker 1: Live like those other s, few detectives in Brooklyn did
Speaker 1: not believe me, and I even doubted myself what happened.
Speaker 1: But now that I've seen Jill, I know I'm not
Speaker 1: crazy and I'm not the only one.
Speaker 4: This happened too.
Speaker 1: So it is good in a way that like they
Speaker 1: saw each other. But it's like, let's not give his
Speaker 1: lawyer a reason to throw out the ideas. So now
Speaker 1: we have Luke in interrogation and he admits that he
Speaker 1: all that he also went on a date with Rebecca,
Speaker 1: same actual situation like drinks then sex. But Live is like, okay,
Speaker 1: but they both said they felt incapacitated and that you
Speaker 1: raped them like one accuser, okay, two accusers. It's starting
Speaker 1: to look bad for you, bro, And he's like, this
Speaker 1: is what I was talking about. It's open season on men.
Speaker 1: This girl is piling on. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Finn's like, oh, like, so why did you on match?
Speaker 1: Like he goes why ghost them? But it's like, why
Speaker 1: did you unmatch with both girls that have accused you
Speaker 1: of assault? And he's like, oh, is not calling girls
Speaker 1: back a crime? Ugh?
Speaker 2: And it's and they're like, no, but drugging and rape is.
Speaker 2: And he stands by. He keeps saying, like, we are
Speaker 2: like getting to know you. We see like we know
Speaker 2: no one wants to go on dates with the orphan. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like you're acting like a fucking creep, Like, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: not an open season, but we could tell that you're not.
Speaker 4: You wouldn't be crushing it, sir.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're weird with his personality because the thing is
Speaker 1: like he's not an unattractive man.
Speaker 4: He's not. Oh you're weird.
Speaker 1: You know, you're like you're the little things you say,
Speaker 1: you're weird, Like you count money out loud on the counter.
Speaker 4: What's up with you?
Speaker 1: So they go, no, calling girls back's not a crime,
Speaker 1: but drugging and rape is. And he really stands by
Speaker 1: that he did not drug anyone, and like, if you
Speaker 1: search my apartment, you're not gonna find drugs. Then there's
Speaker 1: like a long pause, okay, and they're just like looking
Speaker 1: at him, and he's just looking at them, and he's like, okay. Uh.
Speaker 1: He admits he takes girls to bars that pour strong drinks.
Speaker 1: He's like, it just makes it easier for them to relax.
Speaker 1: Because the dating world is brutal, and I'm like, it's really,
Speaker 1: I don't think it has to be that brutal if
Speaker 1: you're just a fucking normal guy that like asks women
Speaker 1: questions about themselves and doesn't act like and acts like
Speaker 1: women are people, you know.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and you're not like just entitled to sex
Speaker 2: day one, you know what I mean? Yeah, like that's
Speaker 2: your goal is exactly just the fuck, So find someone
Speaker 2: else who also wants that, Like, stop drugging people. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's people with problems that would choose you.
Speaker 1: Yes, there's a lid for every pot usually, but just
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a lid for all you fucking
Speaker 1: in cell rapee guys. But anyway, So now they're at
Speaker 1: Pinky six, which is the bar where Luke took Rebecca,
Speaker 1: and the hostess like, it's.
Speaker 4: A dumb name.
Speaker 1: I know, I don't want to know why that's what
Speaker 1: that is. But the hostess she's an ally Okay, she
Speaker 1: doesn't recognize the guy from the photo, and they're like,
Speaker 1: have you heard of anybody claiming to be drugged at
Speaker 1: this bar? And she's like no, but I get it.
Speaker 1: She's like, when I'm on the bar, I keep an
Speaker 1: eye out, like she's obviously looking for pers but she's
Speaker 1: a hostess, so she's like, I'm in front of house
Speaker 1: most of the time. So they ask who else was
Speaker 1: bartending and then she goes, oh, four months ago on
Speaker 1: a Friday, let me just grab my iPad and like,
Speaker 1: you know, thank god for like technology. And she looks
Speaker 1: at the schedule and she goes, oh, we were down
Speaker 1: two of our regulars, so we called in a freelancer.
Speaker 1: And cat's like a freelance bartender and we've heard this,
Speaker 1: We've heard this word before. And the hostess goes, there's
Speaker 1: an app for that, and I couldn't remember what that was.
Speaker 1: And Apple did trademark that phrase, so that is a
Speaker 1: trademark phrase. Wait, anyway, trademark name, there's an app for that.
Speaker 1: The phrase there's an app for that is trademarked by Apple, oh,
Speaker 1: because they allegedly they used it in like a two thousand.
Speaker 4: And nine promo campaign for the iPhone.
Speaker 1: Wow. So yeah, So she shows them a photo and
Speaker 1: profile from like freelance bartender the app, you know, freelance
Speaker 1: barman or whatever, and photo and profile and his name
Speaker 1: is Ash Gordon and it's the same guy that served
Speaker 1: Jill on her date with Luke.
Speaker 4: Okay, it's the guy who told Finn that he was
Speaker 4: a freelancer. Okay. I actually have a friend whose name.
Speaker 1: Is Ashley Gordon who goes by ash Gordon on her Instagram,
Speaker 1: and I did want to point out that she wrote
Speaker 1: Drag the musical, which everybody in New Yorkshire go see.
Speaker 4: It's Broadway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's off Broadway at New World Stages, which is
Speaker 1: a great place to see stuff. I saw Avenue Q
Speaker 1: and Rock of Ages there, so go see Dragon musical.
Speaker 1: This is unpaid.
Speaker 4: She's just my friend and she's great and.
Speaker 1: She's the one that brought me in to write on
Speaker 1: like Nina West's album, like when she did a kid's album,
Speaker 1: you know, like she does a lot of writing for
Speaker 1: a Drive queens and their songs and stuff. Okay, so
Speaker 1: now Kat and Rollins are talking to this dude, ash
Speaker 1: Gordon and confronting him about like they're like, oh, remember
Speaker 1: when you lied to us about not knowing Luke And
Speaker 1: he's like, well, I maybe didn't remember him because I
Speaker 1: serve one hundred people a night. They're all just drink
Speaker 1: orders to me. And yeah, he's a good actor. Because
Speaker 1: this guy's immediately like he immediately before gave me kind
Speaker 1: of like the creeps, but he's even slimier now.
Speaker 4: The actor's name is Daniel London.
Speaker 1: He has been in one to two episodes of a
Speaker 1: lot of programs, like he's got up an extensive IMDb,
Speaker 1: but I don't recognize him really from anything specific.
Speaker 4: Kat's like Luke Mitchell.
Speaker 1: He called you six times in the last six months,
Speaker 1: and he goes, I give out my number to a
Speaker 1: lot of customers.
Speaker 4: I have a following. People want to drink where I'm pouring.
Speaker 1: Is that even a thing if it's not your friend
Speaker 1: who's a bartender who bartends at different places? Are people
Speaker 1: following different bartenders around to bars in New York?
Speaker 4: Well, you know you like the movie The Menu.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's like culinary people for bartending, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think this guy's doing that, though, I don't
Speaker 1: think this.
Speaker 4: Guy's best of the best.
Speaker 1: But I'll say you usually just like work at a bar,
Speaker 1: like no one's like chasing the poor, right right, Like
Speaker 1: I can calmly drink whiskey that comes out of this
Speaker 1: guy's bottle, you know what I mean? Like I don't
Speaker 1: that's not a thing, but let's see.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: So Rollins is like, okay, dude, but the last two
Speaker 1: girls you poured for with Luke ended up drugged and
Speaker 1: sexually assaulted. And this guy's like, and like, what does
Speaker 1: that have to do with me? Like not being helpful,
Speaker 1: Like the in cell vibes are popping, well, not even
Speaker 1: an acting of like oh no, yeah, it doesn't care.
Speaker 1: Doesn't care, like that's what I mean. Like immediately, it's
Speaker 1: like this is a man that does not see women
Speaker 1: as people at all. He's like, look, I'm not stingy
Speaker 1: with the booze, and these women have no problem letting
Speaker 1: guys buy them drinks all night. And then he goes
Speaker 1: if they can't hold their liquor, that's on them. So
Speaker 1: we're already getting the vibe that this guy is a misogynist,
Speaker 1: Like you know, he wars heavy drinks to help his
Speaker 1: bros out, and the women need to if they're going
Speaker 1: to get their shit paid for, they need to hold
Speaker 1: their alcohol. That's his logic, I guess. So Rollin starts
Speaker 1: her usual bullshit. She's like, oh, this guy's not going
Speaker 1: to go with bad cop, I've got to go with
Speaker 1: flirt cop. So she immediately goes, maybe you're right, why
Speaker 1: don't you come down and party with us at the
Speaker 1: precinct downtown And he's like, seze right through it. He goes,
Speaker 1: do people fall for that? And it's like they do, sir,
Speaker 1: she's very hot. They do. Many people fall for it.
Speaker 1: He knows his rights, and he says, technically, I don't
Speaker 1: need to be talking to you at all. He's like,
Speaker 1: why don't get the hell out of here because I
Speaker 1: need this space at the bar for customers. So this guy,
Speaker 1: you know, he knows his law. Corisy Live and Rollins
Speaker 1: are at the coffee cart on the street. Now Luke
Speaker 1: spent the night in holding and Live explains that they
Speaker 1: think he has an accomplice, this Ash guy. Neither woman
Speaker 1: drank that much, but they both ended up barely conscious.
Speaker 1: And it turns out that also Ash Gordon has no
Speaker 1: criminal record, but was a chemistry major in college and
Speaker 1: he got kicked out for conducting unauthorized recreational drug trials
Speaker 1: in the lab.
Speaker 4: Wow. Wow, it's like how quick do they.
Speaker 1: Go through everything? Like they they find out who Ash
Speaker 1: Gordon is, they check his record, then they go to
Speaker 1: what like where he's front. They call the college immediately
Speaker 1: and like you heard of this guy? They're like, oh him,
Speaker 1: recreational drug trials guy, we know him, you know. They
Speaker 1: find out all this information very quickly. I love detective work.
Speaker 1: But Caresee's like, okay, but like, what's in it for
Speaker 1: the bartender if there's no motive and there's no evidence, Like,
Speaker 1: how am I going to get a subpoena? And live goes,
Speaker 1: just tell the judges your cop instincts and he goes,
Speaker 1: I'm an Ada now, and then he's like then he
Speaker 1: goes and gets his egg sandwich from the coffee card.
Speaker 4: He comes back, he goes, never, I'll try to push.
Speaker 1: It through, like he's just still gonna like he obviously
Speaker 1: it took like a zero pushing for him to be
Speaker 1: like all right. So now he's They're at Luke Luke's
Speaker 1: arraignment and Careese's asking for fifty thousand dollars bail. The
Speaker 1: lawyer wants ro r. He has a steady job, no record.
Speaker 1: This is Morning After Regret, and he has a female lawyer,
Speaker 1: which pisses me off. He has that woman that kind
Speaker 1: of reminds me of Edie Falco as the lawyer and
Speaker 1: the judge splits the difference and sets it at twenty
Speaker 1: five k. Jill is there in court and they're like,
Speaker 1: you didn't have to come here, and she's like, I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to piece together what happened. I thought maybe
Speaker 1: if I saw him or heard his voice it would help.
Speaker 1: And then Corisi tells her, look, it's gonna take some time,
Speaker 1: like from I used to be a detective, like these
Speaker 1: things can be you know, take some time, and then
Speaker 1: she goes, Unfortunately, we didn't really find anything in his apartment,
Speaker 1: so we think he might have an accomplice, and immediately
Speaker 1: Jill goes the bartender and he's like, what do you
Speaker 1: know about that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like why do you say that? She goes.
Speaker 1: They seem to know each other. They were laughing together
Speaker 1: when I walked in, and they knew each other's names,
Speaker 1: and Carisee's like, you may have just gotten me probable cause.
Speaker 1: So now we cut to this bartender's apartment and he's like,
Speaker 1: i'd offer you a beer, but I don't know what
Speaker 1: the etiquette is for someone illegally searching your apartment, and
Speaker 1: Finn's like, we actually have a warrant, so it's legal
Speaker 1: to shut the fuck up, and he has kind of
Speaker 1: a nice place for a bartender who can't hold a
Speaker 1: steady gig and is like a free land spartender. And
Speaker 1: I guess he likes Sunday in the park with George.
Speaker 1: It's decorated in a wild way. He goes, all you're
Speaker 1: gonna find is toothpaste, mouthwash, and vitamins. I believe in
Speaker 1: clean living. It's like, you're a bartender, what.
Speaker 4: Okay? And then as soon as.
Speaker 1: He says I believe in clean living, Cat shows up
Speaker 1: and goes found percocet and he's like, that's prescription from
Speaker 1: dental work. And then a tech calls Cat and Thin
Speaker 1: over and goes check this out. They find this computer.
Speaker 1: They find his computer with a file labeled Luke and
Speaker 1: there's all these files in them. The guy can't open them.
Speaker 1: They're encrypted, but like he's like, it'll take time. And
Speaker 1: then Ash goes, sorry, guys, huff and puff all you want,
Speaker 1: but that's not happening, Like so now he's just taunting
Speaker 1: the cops. And the files match the dates of the
Speaker 1: two rapes, and there are four other folders in there
Speaker 1: with different guys' names, with five to six files in each.
Speaker 1: So Finn's like we could be looking at twenty five
Speaker 1: more rapes. So this is bad. So in Live's office,
Speaker 1: Kat is reporting to Live that nothing was found at
Speaker 1: his place drug wise, just I drops antihistamines percocet, and
Speaker 1: Lives like, but he could have used that stuff to
Speaker 1: make this and they're like, yes, but any good lawyer
Speaker 1: will explain him having those are household things, you know.
Speaker 1: But that's probably the point of how this guy's making
Speaker 1: shit is he's using non detectable shit that everybody has,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, So Live points out if he's buying
Speaker 1: drugs from anybody, like the percocet, he's using cash or crypto.
Speaker 1: What about the files and they're like bad news. He's
Speaker 1: they're triple ENCRYPTID, only he has the password and the app.
Speaker 1: We can't go to the app, as we've already found
Speaker 1: out in this episode, the apps don't help you. But
Speaker 1: even so, they're designed so that even the company cannot
Speaker 1: access the file. So there's twenty six other files in there.
Speaker 1: How do we find these victims? And you know, Liv
Speaker 1: knows what to do to get victims to come forward.
Speaker 1: She's like, we get them to find us, cut to
Speaker 1: her in her fancy tie outfit, her fit like her
Speaker 1: tie uniform outfit, doing a press conference right in the precinct.
Speaker 1: We got the cameras in there. She did a costume change,
Speaker 1: and we're rolling. Okay, we see a woman at a
Speaker 1: nail salon getting a pedicure and watching the report looking shook,
Speaker 1: like she's watching liv talk about this man. His name
Speaker 1: is Luke.
Speaker 4: He's on the app True Heart, like this is what happens.
Speaker 1: Then there's another woman in a cab watching it on
Speaker 1: Taxi Cab TV, same thing, and then a third older
Speaker 1: woman is watching it at her house and we're seeing
Speaker 1: them all kind of react to this press conference, and
Speaker 1: Live is just urging any victims to come forward. They're like,
Speaker 1: how long do you think it's going to take? Phones
Speaker 1: start ringing immediately, like there's victims out there and they're
Speaker 1: all watching the evening news on landline television or whatever.
Speaker 1: They're watching it on antenna television. So the phones immediately
Speaker 1: start ringing and the tips are coming in. So now
Speaker 1: the girl in the taxi is talking to Finn with
Speaker 1: the same story. Couple of drinks at a bar, suddenly
Speaker 1: coming too on her bed naked, she can't sit up
Speaker 1: her body isn't working. Pedicure Girl's story. She's telling Kat
Speaker 1: how she was scared and embarrassed. She just needed to
Speaker 1: get out of there. They're going back and forth between
Speaker 1: the two of them. Taxi girls said, I messaged him
Speaker 1: asking what did we do the night before? And she
Speaker 1: even threw in some emojis to keep it light, and
Speaker 1: Pedicure girl goes, he said, we hit it off like
Speaker 1: rock stars. That's not how I remember it. Then this
Speaker 1: is what's fucked. Taxi girl says, I reported him to
Speaker 1: True Heart five times.
Speaker 4: They never got back to me.
Speaker 1: And then the pedicure girl goes, I didn't even know
Speaker 1: I could call the police because I didn't remember anything.
Speaker 1: Taxi girl says, I only had a sense that something
Speaker 1: bad had happened, and so I've just been trying to
Speaker 1: forget it. But then obviously seeing Lives press conference, like
Speaker 1: she's like, this must be what happened to me. So
Speaker 1: now they're talking to the older woman and she says,
Speaker 1: I'm not a victim, but I think my daughter Piper
Speaker 1: may have been. She had a stroke the night she
Speaker 1: was raped. The mom is like, whoever heard of a
Speaker 1: twenty eight year old girl having a stroke. I mean,
Speaker 1: it does happen, but it is, you know, it's not
Speaker 1: as common. And she hasn't been the same since. She's
Speaker 1: afraid to sleep. I have to sleep with her all night.
Speaker 1: She doesn't fall asleep till the sun comes up. Like
Speaker 1: it's bad. Now they're talking to Piper. She says the
Speaker 1: night that night that she got home, something felt wrong.
Speaker 1: She called her mom, She went to the er. They
Speaker 1: started a rape kit. Ten minutes into the rape kit,
Speaker 1: her ears started ringing. She had a stroke, followed by seizures.
Speaker 1: The doctor said that drugs could have triggered the stroke.
Speaker 1: They didn't go to the police because she didn't remember anything.
Speaker 1: This was three months earlier. And she goes, my life
Speaker 1: ended three months ago. And her mom's like, no, honey,
Speaker 1: and she's like, mom, it did.
Speaker 4: Shut up.
Speaker 1: And Piper is played by Madison Ferris, who played Laura
Speaker 1: Wingfield in The Glass Menagerie. And she has something called
Speaker 1: face show scalpulo humoraled muscular dystrophy and was the first
Speaker 1: wheelchair user to play a lead on Broadway, which I
Speaker 1: thought was a cool milestone person to call out that
Speaker 1: Madison was the first person to do that. So now
Speaker 1: live in Careesy are with Luke and his lawyer in
Speaker 1: the Brick interrogation room, breaking the news to them that hey,
Speaker 1: what's up, buddy, there are few more women that have
Speaker 1: come forward with an identical m O. And that is,
Speaker 1: by the way, just like that is they have. These
Speaker 1: two women have come that we're talking to. Are all
Speaker 1: three women are from the Luke file. Okay, So also
Speaker 1: Piper who had a stroke that night and is paralyzed
Speaker 1: and has braid damage. Guess what, bro if she dies,
Speaker 1: that's felony murder. And he's like, no way, I put
Speaker 1: her in a cab. She was walking and talking like
Speaker 1: she was fine when I left her. And they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: all your victims were. That's how drug facilitated rape works.
Speaker 1: And she's and he's like I still. He's like still,
Speaker 1: like I didn't drug anyone. I didn't drug anyone. And
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, well, let's talk about Ash, like we
Speaker 1: know you two have been in touch since your arrest.
Speaker 1: So Luke spills. He's like, okay, here's what's up. Before
Speaker 1: a date, I would call Ash and let him know
Speaker 1: that I was coming in. And then they're like and
Speaker 1: then he would drug them and he goes I guess
Speaker 1: and Greasy's like, not good enough, buddy, and Luke's like,
Speaker 1: all he told me is that he would give them something,
Speaker 1: something so that they would be compliant is the word
Speaker 1: he used, which is great.
Speaker 4: I don't want compliant to be used in dating at all, Yes,
Speaker 4: at all.
Speaker 1: Like Luke, you're discussed, I wrote, okay, dude, but something
Speaker 1: is still fucked in your head that you want to
Speaker 1: have sex with women who are lying there like zombies,
Speaker 1: barely conscious, like that you want compliant women. You are
Speaker 1: equally fucked up as the man who mixes the drugs.
Speaker 1: So they act because he keeps going. But I didn't
Speaker 1: drug them, And it's like, but you are looking for that,
Speaker 1: are you not? Like you're looking for a drugged woman.
Speaker 1: So they ask Luke, like what's in it for Ash,
Speaker 1: Like why is he doing this? And Luke's like, the
Speaker 1: guy's a mad scientist. He wants me to video. He
Speaker 1: all of the dates and sent them to him and
Speaker 1: then he says he calls them his clinical trials. And
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, well you got to give us your
Speaker 1: video copies. He goes, I don't keep copies. That would
Speaker 1: be a violation of the girls privacy. Like, what the fuck, dude,
Speaker 1: Like your moral compass is truly smashed on the bottom
Speaker 1: of a river, Like, what the fuck? What about Piper's cocktails?
Speaker 1: Say anything about that specifically? And Luke goes, well, we
Speaker 1: talked about how the date before her it had worn
Speaker 1: off too soon, and they're talking about Rebecca and he said, well,
Speaker 1: that probably shouldn't happen again, so he must have cooked
Speaker 1: something up. I don't know, and Lives like, well, guess what, bitch,
Speaker 1: you're gonna find out. So now they're going to do
Speaker 1: the little the little you gotta go wear a wine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna dangle you game.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: So now Luke is pacing on a city sidewalk while
Speaker 1: the squad watches from Afar Kat's basically saying what I
Speaker 1: was saying just a minute ago.
Speaker 4: She goes, why do these dudes want to drug women?
Speaker 1: So they just lay there and Lives like she points
Speaker 1: it out, the same thing with every criminal we ever
Speaker 1: see on the show.
Speaker 4: It's about control.
Speaker 1: And then they're like, they tell themselves it's consensual and
Speaker 1: since the women just lay there, you know, and Finn
Speaker 1: goes yeah, and they can't get it any other way,
Speaker 1: and this way They don't have to talk or buy dinner.
Speaker 1: They just get what they came for, which is gross
Speaker 1: way of putting it, but absolutely true. You know, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't want to like wine and dine some woman
Speaker 1: who's gonna reject me when I can just knock her
Speaker 1: out and have sex with her lifeless body.
Speaker 4: Sorry, I assault her lifelife's body. It's certainly not sex.
Speaker 1: Ash comes out and starts yelling at Luke about how
Speaker 1: your face is everywhere. Man, why are you here? You
Speaker 1: screwed up? And Luke is begging for help, like please,
Speaker 1: you gotta help me. Ash is like, I can't be
Speaker 1: talking to you. Luke's like, my lawyer says they might
Speaker 1: charge me for murder over Piper, and Ash is like,
Speaker 1: I don't really know names, and that's like you named,
Speaker 1: you have files of all of them. And then Luke's like,
Speaker 1: Luke goes three months ago and he goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: January twentieth, like he knew the exact fucking date and
Speaker 1: who Piper was, long blonde hair, like just from the
Speaker 1: three months ago remark. So he is sick. Luke is like,
Speaker 1: just tell me what you put in it so I
Speaker 1: can tell the doctors like, I'll say it was me.
Speaker 1: Was it like roofies or something? And Ash is so
Speaker 1: insulted he goes, rufies, you think I went to date
Speaker 1: rape depot and grabbed a box or roofees. My work
Speaker 1: is artisanal. I tailor make every batch so that they're
Speaker 1: not too lively and not too zombie.
Speaker 4: Like this is fucked up.
Speaker 1: He starts shoving Luke and going this doesn't happen with
Speaker 1: the other guys, like you're the one that got caught,
Speaker 1: and then the cops show up and he's like and
Speaker 1: they start arresting Ash.
Speaker 4: He goes, Luke, you stupid moron, and he punches him right.
Speaker 1: In the face, which is satisfying, and then Live cuffs
Speaker 1: him and Ash is still like, you guys don't have anything.
Speaker 4: It's kind of wild.
Speaker 1: And then in interrogation with his lawyer, they're just playing
Speaker 1: back the tape, like the artisanal comment the batch about
Speaker 1: not being too zombie, not too like, and Ash's lawyer
Speaker 1: is like, he's just bragging you got nothing, you have
Speaker 1: no evidence, and they're like, we have Luke's testimony and
Speaker 1: five women who id that him as the bartender who
Speaker 1: served them, plus Piper's talk screen came up positive for percocet.
Speaker 1: She was the only one that went immediately to the
Speaker 1: er and got a talk screen. And that's what we
Speaker 1: found at your place. And when a jury SE's like,
Speaker 1: he's like, that's prescription. And they're like when a jury
Speaker 1: sees Piper on a stand in her wheelchair slurring her words,
Speaker 1: and he's like, that's tough. But I didn't do anything
Speaker 1: to her. I was just leveling the playing field, and
Speaker 1: lives like, oh, do tell? And here comes another in
Speaker 1: cell manifesto on this show sees He's like, I see
Speaker 1: guys sweaty and desperate every night getting rolled by women.
Speaker 1: I told Luke, if you're gonna pick up the check,
Speaker 1: at least get something for it. And Live says, oh,
Speaker 1: and same with all your other clients, and he goes,
Speaker 1: they're not my clients. They don't pay me. It's like, dude,
Speaker 1: you're like a moron. You could be making money off
Speaker 1: of this too, but you're that psycho that you just
Speaker 1: want it for the fun of it. Like he's like,
Speaker 1: they don't pay me, They're just guys trying to get
Speaker 1: over And just like them, you need me more than
Speaker 1: I need you. I didn't rape them and if that's
Speaker 1: what you want to call it, and I but I
Speaker 1: do know who did and it's like yeah, and you
Speaker 1: have the encrypted video files to prove it. So they've
Speaker 1: got to like work with this guy if they want
Speaker 1: to get the other guys on this fucking computer. At
Speaker 1: the squad, they're hauling the guys in. They've got four
Speaker 1: more rapists, each one more beta than the next. They say,
Speaker 1: lives like lives like yeah. Ash gets off watching these
Speaker 1: women get raped after he drugged them, and Rollins goes
Speaker 1: The scary part is that he did not have trouble
Speaker 1: finding five guys who were into this.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, that's not hard to believe at all.
Speaker 1: They just found a telegram chat with seventy thousand men
Speaker 1: in it, and they're all talking about raping the women
Speaker 1: in their lives, their girlfriends, their wives, their mothers, their sisters,
Speaker 1: and they're sharing tips and tricks. Seventy thousand people are
Speaker 1: in this chat, So I don't find it art to
Speaker 1: believe that he found five guys in Manhattan he could
Speaker 1: help out, you know, like not surprising. And I will
Speaker 1: share a link to the article about this telegram chat
Speaker 1: in our show notes for this episode, but one unless
Speaker 1: you already talked about it. But on finding the victims,
Speaker 1: Rollin says, unless these guys talk, we'll never be able
Speaker 1: to find all of them, and Live says, Okay, well
Speaker 1: let's notify the ones we can. And I'm sorry, Like
Speaker 1: what isn't this guy giving up the whole video password
Speaker 1: as part of the deal, Like how are the other
Speaker 1: rapists coming in without evidence, which I'm assuming is in
Speaker 1: the videos? Like and they can track the girls down
Speaker 1: from the videos, Like I don't really get why they're like,
Speaker 1: we will never find all the victims. Like if you
Speaker 1: find these guys and you find out who they were
Speaker 1: matching with on these apps, you will So I don't know.
Speaker 1: But we see Kat breaking the news to the girl,
Speaker 1: the pedicure girl, Rollins goes to Rebecca, Finnn tells the
Speaker 1: girl from the taxi. They're all obviously extremely relieved and
Speaker 1: emotional that Luke is going to jail.
Speaker 4: Ash has been busted too.
Speaker 1: Then Cariese's talking to Jill and she's like, I honestly
Speaker 1: don't know how I'll trust anyone ever again. Like it's sad.
Speaker 1: It's like this has like completely like changed her life
Speaker 1: in not for the better. Liv and Rolins are now
Speaker 1: talking to Piper and they're telling her that Luke will
Speaker 1: do ten years, Ash will do two two because he
Speaker 1: cooperated and gave up other rapists and we can't prove
Speaker 1: that what he used were even controlled substances.
Speaker 4: But still the possession of.
Speaker 1: The tapes feels like it's and he should get years
Speaker 1: for every count of that, plus the facilitation of rape.
Speaker 4: Like I feel like they could have.
Speaker 1: Gotten him higher than two, but like I guess he
Speaker 1: gave them four rapists, so I don't know.
Speaker 4: They had to make a deal with the fucking devil.
Speaker 1: But Live has to explain again how criminals are ahead
Speaker 1: of the game with the drugs.
Speaker 4: The law can't keep up, like.
Speaker 1: You know, like they're using, how they're using household stuff,
Speaker 1: like we there's like we can't figure out like exactly
Speaker 1: what he used. And Piper's like, well, I want to
Speaker 1: get strong enough to make a statement at sentencing. They
Speaker 1: thought of me as a thing to experiment on, but
Speaker 1: I want them to know that I'm a human being
Speaker 1: and I matter and lives, like you're going to do
Speaker 1: that and we're going to be by your side every
Speaker 1: step of the way. And it's such a tough episode.
Speaker 1: But that's dick wolf baby, I mean it is. It's
Speaker 1: a dark one. I like, this is a more recent season,
Speaker 1: so I like kind of forgot about I knew about.
Speaker 1: I remember the facilitated I mean it, and I was
Speaker 1: like when you were talking, yeah, you know what I
Speaker 1: mean like that, Yeah it's new to us. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: I remember, I was like, oh, yeah, this is the
Speaker 1: one where the bartender helps. But I like forgot about
Speaker 1: the girl who had the seizure, and like her life
Speaker 1: is fully she's paralyzed now, like you ruined her life,
Speaker 1: you know, like because you just gave her fucking whatever
Speaker 1: your little concoction of drugs is. But let's get into
Speaker 1: this true crimes that you did your research on here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the first one is in Seattle. We don't
Speaker 2: really do Seattle stuff very often.
Speaker 4: I would say.
Speaker 2: This guy's name is Ian Jurgensen. And so we're in Seattle.
Speaker 2: We're at a popular EDM venue. Okay, and basically the
Speaker 2: police there with Homeland Security ran a five month undercover
Speaker 2: sting at a nightclub called Foundation. And if people are
Speaker 2: from Seattle, it's on Western Ave. So if that means
Speaker 2: anything to anybody, Okay, so they started the investigation in
Speaker 2: March twenty eighteen because there was a lot of reports
Speaker 2: of drug trafficking inside the club, as well as concerns
Speaker 2: about a bunch of overdoses and then sexuals in the area.
Speaker 2: And this was really tough because it's from Seattle Cops
Speaker 2: official reports and cops lie, but that's those are the sources.
Speaker 4: So this is from the official report as well.
Speaker 2: Several in house drug dealers were allowed to buy pass
Speaker 2: club security and sell inside the venue, and that management
Speaker 2: was aware of the drug dealing. And then one dealer
Speaker 2: was bragging about his relationship with the club owner and
Speaker 2: was explaining like how much DGHB to used to dose
Speaker 2: swim and depending on their weight and stuff. So they
Speaker 2: were like selling GHB and then like helping people dose
Speaker 2: out the GHB. Oh yeah, And so they got raided.
Speaker 2: They got granted a warrant to raid on Wednesday, August
Speaker 2: eighth of twenty eighteen, and basically they seized a lot,
Speaker 2: but I don't actually know, eight hundred and twenty nine
Speaker 2: grams of cocaine, one thousand grams of MDMA, four hundred xccpills,
Speaker 2: eight hundred xanax, one hundred and ninety grams of ketamine,
Speaker 2: thirteen grams of DMT, and one hundred and seventy six
Speaker 2: grams of GHB, twelve hundred MALLI capsules, and then an
Speaker 2: additional prescription drugs, two handguns, and more than sixty grand
Speaker 2: in cash.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 2: When I started, I said, it's a lot, but then
Speaker 2: I went, oh, I don't actually know if it's that much.
Speaker 4: After reading the list, Yeah, it seems like a lot.
Speaker 4: It seems like a lot. I was like, I don't
Speaker 4: really know what grams are.
Speaker 1: I don't know grams really, but like just the amount
Speaker 1: of pills, like it seems like yeah, but yeah, like
Speaker 1: all the other drugs I'm kind of fine with, like
Speaker 1: party drugs, but yeah, selling the date rape drug definitely
Speaker 1: takes it on another level and like telling, you know,
Speaker 1: giving instructions on how to rape, Like for sure, sell
Speaker 1: some molly at the club, but what are you doing?
Speaker 1: But also I do feel kind of with the episode
Speaker 1: where the charges need to be more like there needs
Speaker 1: to be facilitating to rape charge or like attempt to
Speaker 1: to rate, like there's there must be something. But basically
Speaker 1: this guy Ian was quickly found what to be the part,
Speaker 1: Well don't but but don't. Don't like some people use
Speaker 1: g as a party drug as well. Yeah, but they're
Speaker 1: not drinking, got it? Got a drink?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So if you're putting in someone's drink, you're trying
Speaker 4: to Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So even this owner was found, you know, to be
Speaker 2: the primary source, he quickly blamed it on a few
Speaker 2: bad apples.
Speaker 4: Lol, that doesn't work. And so many all these.
Speaker 1: Bad apples are really adding up, right, there's so bad
Speaker 1: apples everywhere, it seems like only it's like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of bad apples.
Speaker 2: And but you know, he's like, I just love the
Speaker 2: nightlife and music culture and shut up. You get two accomplices,
Speaker 2: Michael law Olmos said, and Christopher Jean Cheret char Charrette,
Speaker 2: and they I'm like thinking about Lacey's Shabert Shabert from
Speaker 2: me girls when I'm trying to pronounce this name. They
Speaker 2: were also charged, these two guys with conspiracy and unlawful
Speaker 2: use of a building for drug purposes. The Glove The club,
Speaker 2: of course, ended up having its liquor license revoked by
Speaker 2: the Washington State Liquor License and then the club.
Speaker 1: Is now closed spoiler alert rip.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the Washington State Liquor and Licensed Suspension Bureau
Speaker 2: or whatever released the press release that said that the
Speaker 2: management provided employee uniforms to the dealers so they can
Speaker 2: blend in and run the VIP and sell drugs. Ian
Speaker 2: was charged with supplying large amounts of drugs to dealers.
Speaker 2: Sixteen people along with him were arrested and charged with
Speaker 2: like drugs, weapons conspiracy charges. He pled not guilty to
Speaker 2: conspiracy charges in connection with the Joint Drug investigation on
Speaker 2: January twenty fourth, twenty nineteen. These local cases were hard
Speaker 2: to find info on because it's all like charges, arrested, raids, fun,
Speaker 2: but like I couldn't find court or conviction information. I
Speaker 2: did find one Ian Jorgensen that's fifty years old living
Speaker 2: in Seattle, so it might be him, I'm sure, but
Speaker 2: I didn't want to pay the monthly fee to be
Speaker 2: able to find more information about this man. And yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like all these cops just bragging about the raid.
Speaker 4: But how how did the court? Okay, yeah, what happened?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, like I wasn't able to find where
Speaker 2: he served, if he got convicted, anything, court transcripts, like
Speaker 2: I could not find anything and all the papers, Like
Speaker 2: I truly had to cite edm websites like night life sites.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's.
Speaker 2: So able to find anything, and that happens. That's like
Speaker 2: the sensationalization of this sort of thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the raid.
Speaker 2: Happened, We got everything. I look at all the drugs
Speaker 2: and it's like okay, and then did you make a deal?
Speaker 2: Did these serve time? Did what happened?
Speaker 1: You? Did the women get sult Yeah? So very frustrating.
Speaker 1: And then the next one too, it was like the
Speaker 1: Guardian and Daily Mail and like hello, like I couldn't
Speaker 1: find info really so this this is going to be
Speaker 1: a more shorter episodes on the Crime Front guy.
Speaker 4: Sorry, but you know we have hundreds of episodes. Get
Speaker 4: with it.
Speaker 2: So this name is Millie Loftus and we're in the
Speaker 2: UK again. Twenty eighteen. Loftus was twenty two. She started
Speaker 2: to feel ill on a train ride home after a
Speaker 2: night out in Bath, so she started convulsing. She couldn't
Speaker 2: stop vomiting as well. She lost control of her speech, hands,
Speaker 2: legs and body. On the way home to Swindon, that's
Speaker 2: where she lived. British Transport Police helped her and made
Speaker 2: sure she got into an ambulance. Her drink had been spiked,
Speaker 2: and she was rushed to the hospital, where her mother, Kelly,
Speaker 2: believed that she was having a stroke due to being
Speaker 2: drugged with liquid ecstasy. Miley said she had two drinks
Speaker 2: and after she ordered a third. That's when she doesn't
Speaker 2: like remember anything. She doesn't remember paying for it or
Speaker 2: being given anything, and like she had no control over
Speaker 2: her body. It took thirteen hours of an ivy drip
Speaker 2: to get rid of toxins in her body, so something
Speaker 2: was in there.
Speaker 4: And again it's just mirrors and daily mails. It's like, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Week, k is this week, but an amazing episode and sorry,
Speaker 2: I don't know what to tell you, but you know,
Speaker 2: this is like.
Speaker 1: Like she probably never found out who did that to her,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, so, yeah, I wish I had more.
Speaker 2: I hope she's doing okay. That's obviously scary. Anything happening
Speaker 2: in public, like that's scary. And even like I bit
Speaker 2: we chocolate from a friend and then it ended up
Speaker 2: being mushrooms and so it was fine and I trusted
Speaker 2: my friend, but like feeling like shit and out of
Speaker 2: sorts and I still knew kind of what was happening,
Speaker 2: but not was scary and annoying enough, like I can't
Speaker 2: even imagine, Yeah, I just I can't imagine having to deal.
Speaker 1: With this, like yeah, losing control of your body, like
Speaker 1: that's oh my god, so terrifying, so terrifying.
Speaker 4: Oh I hope that.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Everyone's got to be careful. I mean, I think I'm
Speaker 2: doing drugs this weekend, but we'll see. Be careful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, another we all have.
Speaker 4: To be careful and people need to stop like raping
Speaker 4: women is what the fuck?
Speaker 1: I know. Well, let's go onto our post mortem because
Speaker 1: we don't have a guest for today's episode. Wow, this
Speaker 1: episode fucking truly like truly scary this episode because this
Speaker 1: guy that does the potions to get to drug women
Speaker 1: is literally doing it out of the hatefulness in his
Speaker 1: heart towards women. Like he literally is not getting paid.
Speaker 1: Like it's so like we're always like, oh yeah, men
Speaker 1: hate women. It's like yeah, look at this like person
Speaker 1: in this episode that's just like yeah, just like feel
Speaker 1: like it's not fair guys buy these girls all this
Speaker 1: stuff and then they don't hook up with them. So
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna even the playing field, like ugh, vomitous character. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, for the love of the game, their initial thing.
Speaker 1: It's it's all just so twisted and yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: all they talk about is wanting pure women and then
Speaker 1: also being mad that women don't give it up for
Speaker 1: a vodka soda.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's like, which is it.
Speaker 2: Should we like fuck because you get a soda or
Speaker 2: should they be like I and acting like you're buying
Speaker 2: these drinks from the goodness of your heart like you.
Speaker 2: It's like like you want something and it doesn't mean
Speaker 2: you're entire This isn't a business thing. It's also like,
Speaker 2: then stop. But if you say no, thank.
Speaker 1: You and you don't want someone to drink, you're a
Speaker 1: bitch too, right, Suddenly you're a bitch, Like how dare
Speaker 1: you not take this drink? Right?
Speaker 4: That's true too. It's fucked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't win. But but I like seeing the
Speaker 1: guy from American Pie.
Speaker 4: I did see a thing.
Speaker 1: I didn't look into it, but I guess gen Z's
Speaker 1: watching American Pie and they're not happy, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not for you.
Speaker 4: Get the fuck away from us.
Speaker 1: Like we were like I don't know, oh my god,
Speaker 1: yesterday I am there was like a boy in the
Speaker 1: audience in the front and I go, what are you
Speaker 1: gen Z?
Speaker 2: He goes, oh, I'm not sure, and I go older.
Speaker 2: He goes twenty two and I go, then you of
Speaker 2: course you're gens and what else would you be? Why
Speaker 2: at koy? When does alf start?
Speaker 4: Not twenty two? Yeah, Alphas are like thirteen.
Speaker 1: Okay, they're the they're the they're the current teens that
Speaker 1: are taking over Elon musks No, but they know they
Speaker 1: know it's the end.
Speaker 4: They're like, okay with it. They're like, yeah, no, the teens,
Speaker 4: the the gen Z.
Speaker 1: Watching uh the American High reminds me of when you
Speaker 1: watched uh A Devil Wars Prada with your niece and
Speaker 1: she was like, yeah, there's that consenting well my name,
Speaker 1: it's in your special. I'm acting like that's something you
Speaker 1: just told me. It's like in your special. Well, I
Speaker 1: didn't okay with herself, was like scared. She was gonna
Speaker 1: be like, how dare you but talk about me?
Speaker 2: But she actually goes, oh, I guess I'm the favorite
Speaker 2: since she didn't talk about the other kids.
Speaker 1: Yes, she gets dementia. That was like pretty funny, but okay,
Speaker 1: so this is what la bible? Do you know what
Speaker 1: this is is it lad Bible? Oh yeah, Lad, but
Speaker 1: yeah what is that?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think it's like a bro site.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, it annoyed me because the main characters
Speaker 2: are sexist losers and don't deserve any female attention.
Speaker 4: Completely ridiculous. They only care about sex.
Speaker 1: It's bordering on insect I just like, I don't know it,
Speaker 1: just I guess it's problematic. I bet I would still
Speaker 1: like it though, Yeah, oh my god. You know what
Speaker 1: like you know, you know what people have been the
Speaker 1: most mad at about my special and the clips I'm
Speaker 1: posting online are dog trainers saying how you have to
Speaker 1: use a leash.
Speaker 4: So it's like dog trainers are fighting in my video.
Speaker 1: Like this. They're like, and then your dog's gonna get
Speaker 1: attacked by my dog.
Speaker 4: Whatever. I don't know.
Speaker 1: The American Pie thing wasn't even interesting in any capacity.
Speaker 1: I also did restart Orange as the New Black. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I can, oh my gosh, from this
Speaker 1: go on the journey.
Speaker 2: I'm not doing the Journey, but I was just like,
Speaker 2: I really loved that and when it came out, what
Speaker 2: like and then I yeah, I put it on and
Speaker 2: it was so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wait, totally off topic as usual, but you're are
Speaker 1: you caught up on the New York reunions and stuff
Speaker 1: like or there was maybe there was one last night,
Speaker 1: but yeah, like the one where the one where Aaron
Speaker 1: I just think this is appropriate for our podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Aaron is like, well, you didn't report it, your your
Speaker 1: sexual assault, and like, aren't you worried that he's gonna
Speaker 1: do it to other women?
Speaker 4: It was like, there was I don't think Brynn is
Speaker 4: correct in a lot of what she's done.
Speaker 1: I think she's got a lot of issues, but the
Speaker 1: way that Aaron was talking to her about her sexual
Speaker 1: assault was fucked up.
Speaker 4: Well Jenna, thank god, stood up for her.
Speaker 1: But it's also like Aaron, you're shocked and it's unfair
Speaker 1: he's gonna do it again.
Speaker 4: You donated to Trump twice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you donated to stop the steal a convicted sexual
Speaker 1: abuser felon who is now the president that you probably
Speaker 1: voted for, And now you don't understand how men continue
Speaker 1: to abuse and women get punished for coming forward.
Speaker 4: You're a fucking moron.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So there's something sinister about her, And I
Speaker 1: hate to say that about a woman, a pregnant woman,
Speaker 1: but like she yeah, there's something sinister. Well, it's the
Speaker 1: pranks of it all. It's the Ellen Degeneress, it's the
Speaker 1: George Clooney. People that are known for pranks are bad people. Wait,
Speaker 1: fucking Blake and Justin Baldoni?
Speaker 4: Like what the fuck? What is happening?
Speaker 1: And I wonder if Taylor is not going to be
Speaker 1: friends with them anymore? Like I wonder I heard. I mean,
Speaker 1: the internet is saying that Taylor's going arm's length. I know,
Speaker 1: but that's like, you know, like that's the internet. Close
Speaker 1: doors are not like what where is their friendship stand?
Speaker 1: And like Blake isn't I don't know. It's like tough,
Speaker 1: it's tough to seal. But my thing is, who was
Speaker 1: just I've never heard of Justin Baldoni? So I don't
Speaker 1: understand why people I don't want to know about it.
Speaker 1: I could have lived my whole life never knowing about
Speaker 1: this man, and That's what I'm mad about. But also, oh,
Speaker 1: Brian weaponizing her assault is so fucked up, just so
Speaker 1: fucking laying into her.
Speaker 4: Thank God.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jessel's standing on, but like, how dare you do that?
Speaker 1: Brendo a family? Can you imagine having to watch that
Speaker 1: with your husband, and it came up out of nowhere
Speaker 1: when she was just like, oh, you know, Jessel's love
Speaker 1: of her life is a different guy. Just for context everybody.
Speaker 1: She just like brought it up out of nowhere on
Speaker 1: television and.
Speaker 4: It wasn't true.
Speaker 1: The conversation wasn't who's the love of your life? It
Speaker 1: was the wildest hookup you've ever had? Yeah, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then she just went and lied. She's like she has problems. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she has problems. I think she's out of there. If
Speaker 1: they even keep that franchise, she's out of there. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe I'm wrong. I also
Speaker 1: can't wait for Summer House, I know. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm more of a I'm more of an osmosis Summer
Speaker 1: House person, I know. But it's like the Lindsay being
Speaker 1: pregnant in the House Page, like Craig and Page.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I'm.
Speaker 2: Excited about all that, but also like sexism is crazy.
Speaker 2: Anyone that's mad at Page or that she lost a prize.
Speaker 2: Like my big thing that I keep saying is Page
Speaker 2: could fuck Barack Obama.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Page is one of the like perfect specimens on this planet.
Speaker 1: Like I'm Paige just stated my cousin, so page can
Speaker 1: do better. Okay, oh my god, Hello, well all right,
Speaker 1: should we move on. Let's go into our what would
Speaker 1: sister peg?
Speaker 4: Yeah, what we learned.
Speaker 2: Don't drug women, don't take drinks, b mean de men,
Speaker 2: be rude. Violence is the answer. Kendrick Lamar twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: Be a hater, call people out, say your shit. There's
Speaker 2: no more in betweens.
Speaker 1: Fuck anyone, Fuck any turfs, Fuck anyone that is borderline
Speaker 1: excusing or on the press, anything fascism, it's a full revolution,
Speaker 1: or they're not in your life no more. I don't
Speaker 1: care if you vote him, You're not much across the aisle. No,
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't feel bad for you. I
Speaker 1: don't care if you're an uneducated piece of shit. You
Speaker 1: race this motherfuckers, and I hope your kids lose their schools,
Speaker 1: and I hope your family loses their jobs, and I
Speaker 1: hope there's no more social Security for you, And then
Speaker 1: I can laugh in your fucking face. I don't feel
Speaker 1: bad for any Trump voter that gets fucked over.
Speaker 4: Yeah I don't.
Speaker 1: But then I feel bad for the children, and I'm
Speaker 1: sorry I do. I think the children the children, the children.
Speaker 1: We don't think children deserve to have no educations, of course,
Speaker 1: but listen.
Speaker 2: But it's like what I like, and then we're gonna
Speaker 2: have empathy for these people that just want the worst.
Speaker 4: This is what I read like during the Confederacy, like
Speaker 4: the rev you.
Speaker 2: Know that war, the Civil War, that like the most
Speaker 2: people that died fighting for the South for the Confederacy
Speaker 2: were poor whites that couldn't even afford to buy an
Speaker 2: enslaved person, right, yeah, but they were willing to die
Speaker 2: for the rights for rich people to own black people.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, this is what we're living in and we
Speaker 1: are still living in that because we've never addressed it
Speaker 1: as a nation and it's just like and.
Speaker 4: That's what we're seeing now.
Speaker 1: And we have talked about this all the time, but
Speaker 1: it's like white people in this country would rather lose,
Speaker 1: would rather their kids not have school, their parents lose
Speaker 1: their social security, them lose you know, the ability to
Speaker 1: afford healthcare and grocery. They're willing to fucking suffer, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for black people to not have like it is and
Speaker 1: Mexicans and like any minority.
Speaker 4: It's really hundreds of years of white's willing and we're
Speaker 4: not gonna time.
Speaker 1: We're not going to we're not going to address it
Speaker 1: as a country because it's getting it's like a curriculum.
Speaker 4: We're not talking about it anymore.
Speaker 1: How funny that I argued with that dude a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago about how he thought the black dude who thought.
Speaker 4: Of Black History Month was bullshit. Oh my god, I
Speaker 4: know I can't.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see him this week and I'm gonna be like, so,
Speaker 1: I guess your dream came true. You wanna backpedal? Are
Speaker 1: you happy about Yeah? You happy about this?
Speaker 2: But it is like the ike of the American It's
Speaker 2: basically just like, as long as a black person doesn't
Speaker 2: have it, like take my teeth, take my take anything
Speaker 2: you want, yeah, take my environment, take it all.
Speaker 4: Like, as long as they don't have it. It's just
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 1: The thing about the Civil War really like made it
Speaker 1: so clear for me. Yeah, they were willing to die
Speaker 1: for rich people to have slaves. Well yeah, and like
Speaker 1: I saw this thing on you know install or whatever,
Speaker 1: where you know these guys that are like just try
Speaker 1: to go call out conservatives for their hypocrisy.
Speaker 4: All these people waiting in line.
Speaker 1: It's like a protest against you know, all the illegal
Speaker 1: immigrants that are killing us and raping us all the time.
Speaker 1: They were like, he was like, how many of you
Speaker 1: have personally been impacted by illegal immigrants? Not a single
Speaker 1: person in this huge thing, not one of them. They're like,
Speaker 1: but they're ruining our country. They're like, but tell me
Speaker 1: your personal experience. Nobody you know, because these people are
Speaker 1: willing to just go to the mat for whatever. You know.
Speaker 4: Their cult leader is saying, anyway, we could do this
Speaker 4: all day. Let's move on to what was Sister peg new.
Speaker 1: This is our weekly segment where we direct you towards
Speaker 1: a resource like a website, an organization, a blog post,
Speaker 1: an article, something to give you more information about what
Speaker 1: we talked about today. And this week we wanted to
Speaker 1: point you to an article on the RAIN website. RAIN
Speaker 1: is the rape, Abuse and Incest National network, which we've
Speaker 1: called out before, but they specifically have an article titled
Speaker 1: tips for Safer Online Dating and Dating app use because
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, appropriate in this episode, not
Speaker 1: that these women did anything wrong in the episode, but
Speaker 1: just you know, ways to keep yourself keep yourself safe.
Speaker 1: It actually has a lot of helpful ideas for staying
Speaker 1: safe while connecting online, like avoiding sharing live or motion
Speaker 1: photos because those can include geo location information.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: It also has tips on staying safe when you meet
Speaker 1: in person, like don't rely on your date for transportation.
Speaker 1: To read all of their tips, head over to the
Speaker 1: Rain website. That link will obviously be in our stories
Speaker 1: the day this episode comes out, and then saved forever
Speaker 1: in our WWSPD highlight on our Instagram page, and we'll
Speaker 1: also of course be in the show notes.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for that.
Speaker 2: And next week we will be doing Monsters Legacy and
Speaker 2: that's from season fourteen, episode thirteen, controversial one actually, so
Speaker 2: watch it, don't watch it, but definitely tune in. We're
Speaker 2: obsessed with all of you. We are grateful to have
Speaker 2: this podcast, So yeah, thank you for listening.
Speaker 4: And sorry, but we're just like you.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like we're just two girls
Speaker 1: that don't know what the fuck is happening and don't
Speaker 1: know how to stop it.
Speaker 4: And then I also then get like I'm a hip
Speaker 4: hop but I'm not doing enough.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like that's it's designed that way. It's
Speaker 1: designed to make you feel that way. Everybody take care
Speaker 1: of yourselves, fight one cause at a time, and we'll
Speaker 1: see you next week.
Speaker 4: Bye.
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