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Speaker 4: It is a Thursday. Welcome in. It's the Herd. You

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Speaker 4: gotta play, hurt man, You're not always it one hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: Nobody cares. No tears shed. We're live, We're in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 4: It's the Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may

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Speaker 4: be watching or listening. Thanks for making us part of

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Speaker 4: your day. So you were at the Spurs Lakers game

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Speaker 4: last night. Lakers went close late years and years ago.

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Speaker 4: This was probably twenty years ago. I was taught I

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Speaker 4: can do an NBA exec. I was court side of

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Speaker 4: a game and I got there early. Did you get

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Speaker 4: there early?

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Speaker 5: Last name?

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Speaker 3: Not early enough? All right?

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Speaker 4: So you get there really early, an hour and a

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Speaker 4: half before, and like people come by and he said

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Speaker 4: something to me, and it's how I want to start

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Speaker 4: my show stars in the NBA. In basketball, it's not

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Speaker 4: like baseball. They don't have slumps. They can have a

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Speaker 4: bad quarter, but guys like Luca are always going to

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Speaker 4: get theirs, the late Kobe Wilt, Jerry Wett.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. Stars get theirs.

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Speaker 4: Great coaching is taking a B minus player and making

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Speaker 4: him a B plus player, taking a C plus player

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Speaker 4: and making him a B player. You're not going to

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Speaker 4: turn Broddy James into Lebron James. You're not going to

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Speaker 4: jump a grade and a half. But that's what JJ

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Speaker 4: Reddick did and he's doing this year. Ruey Hachimora is

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Speaker 4: a good B player. He's playing like an A player.

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Speaker 4: He's shooting sixty percent from the field. He's shooting forty

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Speaker 4: seven percent from three. That's an A player career high

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Speaker 4: end scoring. Now, it's early in the NBA season where

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Speaker 4: even the Chicago Bulls are winning right Like, nobody's playing

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Speaker 3: But the two.

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Speaker 4: Biggest plays in last night's game could have been Ruey

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Speaker 4: took a big charge, hit a big three. That is

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Speaker 4: what JJ Reddick is doing. So last night you didn't

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Speaker 4: have Lebron, you didn't have Austin Reeves. A couple nights ago,

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Speaker 4: he's doing a great job, especially on offense, to squeeze

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Speaker 4: the juice out of his mid level players, like, for instance,

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Speaker 4: DeAndre Ayton, who there they got for free. Basically Portland's

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Speaker 4: pay his salary. DeAndre Ayton's hot and cold. He's played

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Speaker 4: very well the best he's played. The Lakers lead the

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Speaker 4: NBA and field goal percentage. They're five to zero in

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Speaker 4: close games. Yet lucas one of the top two to

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Speaker 4: three players in the world and skinny jeans, Luca is unstoppable. Rebounds, assists, points, putbacks,

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Speaker 4: He's gonna get Kobe always got his. But can you

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Speaker 4: take those be guys? Go back to Phil Jackson. What

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Speaker 4: he got out of a Rick Fox or a Derek Fisher.

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Speaker 4: That's the key to this stuff. What do you get

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Speaker 4: week Austin Reeves look like Luca and I think that's

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Speaker 4: what I watch with JJ Reddick that in basketball, the

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Speaker 4: top ten global stars are just gonna always get theirs.

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Speaker 4: Can you squeeze stuff out of the B minus guys?

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Speaker 4: And this year if you look at the last two seasons,

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Speaker 4: because now the culture's been built by JJ Reddick, all

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Speaker 4: without Lebron James this year six points a game more.

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Speaker 4: And the new pieces old Marcus Smart, veteran DeAndre Ayton,

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Speaker 4: the young kid Jake la Ravia. They're all playing the

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Speaker 4: best they've played right now. They're all playing excellent basketball.

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Speaker 4: And the Lakers are not a good defensive team. They

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Speaker 4: Wemby shoots thirty five percent from the floor. They imposed

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Speaker 4: He's not going to have many games as ugly and

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Speaker 4: I see coaching. I see JJ Reddick taking his C

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Speaker 3: That was always always Phil Jackson.

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Speaker 4: Kobe would have been great, Michael would have been great

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Speaker 4: with or without Phil Jackson, but it was Phil's ability

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Speaker 4: That's always been Phil Jackson's greatest asset. That's what JJ

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Speaker 4: Reddick does, and they're doing it without Lebron and it's

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Speaker 4: what championship teams do. It's what Dave Roberts did with

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Speaker 4: Miguel Rojas for the Dodgers. Otani's eventually going to get his. Eventually,

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Speaker 4: Freddie Freeman's going to get his. Can you take the

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Speaker 4: be guys and make them b plus guys? And JJ

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Speaker 4: Reddick talks about the win and his current culture.

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Speaker 6: Sometimes the things you emphasize and the things that make

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Speaker 5: Becomes your team.

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Speaker 6: And that doesn't always happen, but that was a priority

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Speaker 6: for us coming into this season. We're just constantly encouraging

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Speaker 6: if you're connected off the floor, you're connected on the floors.

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Speaker 4: I got to tell you, the city of Los Angeles

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's pretty remarkable. There's some even our college

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Speaker 4: and again it's early. Nobody plays defense in October and November,

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Speaker 4: in the NBA, they really don't. A lot of teams

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Speaker 4: in a very crowded West, remember long stretches. Lebron hasn't played,

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Speaker 4: Austen Reeves is out now, Luca's miss games. It's what

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Speaker 4: he's doing with Aighton, it's what he's doing with Smart,

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Speaker 4: It's what he's doing with these kind of B minus

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Speaker 4: of his career. Ruey's a nice player. He's not this nice,

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Speaker 4: but give JJ Ruddick a lot.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I was here on Tuesday sick yesterday, and Tuesday

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Speaker 4: was the trade deadline show. And I'll say this, I've

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Speaker 4: been very critical of the Dallas Cowboys for a long time,

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Speaker 4: but I am in total disagreement. I watched a little

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Speaker 4: other media member on what the Cowboys did with Micah

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Speaker 4: the things I liked about the Micah move it created

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Speaker 4: liquidation and flexibility and diversification. They were going to be

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Speaker 4: So I think one of the things that's being overlooked

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Speaker 4: They retained they kept both number one picks in this

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Speaker 3: That's a big deal.

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Speaker 4: They gave up a first the draft after because this

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Speaker 4: draft has two things that benefit the Cowboys. Tons of

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Speaker 4: good edge rushers. Now with Kenny Clark and Quinn Williams

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Speaker 3: The second thing they have is.

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Speaker 4: A quarterback in a quarterback rich draft where eight teams

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Speaker 4: flexibility and diversification of two first round picks and what

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Speaker 4: you can do with it. And so the draft has

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Speaker 4: an edge rusher replace Micah and quarterbacks don't need move

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Speaker 3: So that's what I love.

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Speaker 4: The second thing is Dallas is saying, and I totally

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Speaker 4: agree with them, by acquiring Quinn Williams and Kenny Clark.

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Speaker 4: What they're telling you is they view interior defensive linemen

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Speaker 4: as more valuable than edge rushers. And I'm here to

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Speaker 4: tell you I totally agree. The New England Patriots this

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Speaker 4: year spent money on interior defensive line, number one rush

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Speaker 4: defense in the NFL. You know who else has a

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Speaker 4: Colts top five run defense. Here are the teams that

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Speaker 4: have excellent interior defensive linemen, Tampa, Seattle, Denver, Colts, Patriots, Rams, Eagles.

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Speaker 4: That's a different body type. Edge rushers are like wide receivers.

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Speaker 4: You can find tall guys, great athletes six four and

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Speaker 4: Feet that's What Quinn williams. Has, Okay So Kenny clark

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Speaker 4: And Quinn williams give YOU i, mean what's the strength

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Speaker 4: Of philadelphia this? Year why can't The rams Beat? Philadelphia

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Speaker 4: Them that's why they lost this year Against, philliots why

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Speaker 4: they lost in the playoffs last. Year they're struggling to

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Speaker 4: block those. Guys So dallas has, said we Love, micah

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Speaker 4: but will take flexibility and INTERIOR d line over an

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Speaker 4: expensive edge. Rusher Julian edelman was On my show On

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Speaker 4: tuesday and he talked about this during The Patriot it's.

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Speaker 4: Dynasty brady gets credit And grong gets, Credit belichick gets.

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Speaker 3: Credit he, said it's the INTERIOR d.

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Speaker 7: Line we wouldn't have been The New England patriots if

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Speaker 7: it wasn't For seymour Or Will fork like we had

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Speaker 7: if you got a guy that can take away two,

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Speaker 7: run the, football then you can dial up better you,

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Speaker 4: Creative, yeah and everybody's, like, Oh dallas is making bad.

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Speaker 4: Moves what they did is they, said we don't want

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Speaker 4: to be top heavy with.

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Speaker 3: Salaries we want more.

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Speaker 4: Flexibility go ask any great business person what they. Want

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Speaker 4: it's not just, assets it's the ability to acquire them

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Speaker 4: or move off.

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Speaker 3: Them they want.

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Speaker 4: Flexibility dallas couldn't afford a running Back Derrick henry for

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Speaker 4: eight million dollars two years. Ago jerry's an, Entrepreneur jerry's a.

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Speaker 4: Businessman his hands were. Tied he Didn't he wanted, flexibility

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Speaker 4: the ability to. Diversify and then they move their importance

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Speaker 4: on defense from the. Edge inside every EXECUTIVE i talk,

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Speaker 4: to they always talk about rare, skills rare body. Type,

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Speaker 4: seattle THE Gm John snyder just went and got a

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Speaker 4: deep threat receiver For Sam darnold's. Why how many people

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Speaker 4: on the planet run a four to two eight FORTY

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Speaker 4: a four three two? Forty not? Many So Quinn williams

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Speaker 4: is a unique body. Type Chris. Jones i'm not Saying

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Speaker 4: Miles garrett isn't a great edge, rusher but you can

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Speaker 4: Move Chris jones all over the defensive. Line And i'm

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Speaker 4: not Saying Max crosby's not. Amazing but when you can

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Speaker 4: four to two, nine that interior defensive lineman with good, feet.

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Speaker 3: It's just more valuable than an edge. Rusher SO i

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Speaker 3: like What dallas has.

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Speaker 4: Done Lebron james still not. Playing apparently he's getting closer to,

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Speaker 4: best quarterback in THE. Nfl, NO i, mean and they

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Speaker 4: state the old lines. Better he's literally gone from unplayable

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Speaker 4: This what is the quarterback pyramid based just on this

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Speaker 4: Audience we have a Little collins quarterback performance. Period donald's number,

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Speaker 4: One alan And stafford right below, Him drake May Herbert, Baker, Mayfield, Mahomes,

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Speaker 4: Jones prescott And. Golf now that's not necessarily that far from. Reality,

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Speaker 4: you just don't see. That, ever you could, say, well

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Speaker 4: what About. Baker baker In cleveland won a playoff game

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Speaker 4: it was ninety. Six sam's passerating In New york was

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Speaker 3: Rare So.

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Speaker 4: Bill belichick was on a podcast yesterday And i've said

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Speaker 4: this multiple times on the. Show the hottest quarterback in

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Speaker 4: the league outside Of Sam darnold is Probably Matt. Stafford

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Speaker 4: And i've said before where you land in THE nfl

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Speaker 3: We would look At stafford. Differently stafford was better.

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Speaker 4: stafford wins this Year's Super, bowl and right NOW i

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Speaker 4: Saying things to Like Jay, glazer Like i've seen everything you.

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Speaker 4: Can't brady talked about A Super bowl Against Patrick, Mahomes he's,

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Speaker 4: got THE u know what beat out of him for

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Speaker 4: YEAR i, mean he's already all time completions eighth, yards, ninth, passing, touchdowns,

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Speaker 4: It quarterbacks with Two Super bowl wins and AN mvp

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Speaker 3: One it's all the.

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Speaker 4: Legends, Mahomes, peyton Tom, Elway, Montana, Bradshaw Bart, Starr stafford.

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Speaker 4: Group and so his last five, games sixteen, touchdowns no.

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Speaker 4: and he's done. This what's amazing is no training. Camp

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Speaker 4: he learned on the fly With Devonte. Adams so what's really?

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Speaker 4: Impressive you, know an undrafted left tackle learned on the

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Speaker 4: fly With Davonte, adams did not participate to any extent

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Speaker 4: in preseason and proving once again What sean McVeagh has

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Speaker 3: Nonsense it doesn't really. Matter but.

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Speaker 4: You AND i jmc you've actually been on this. Forever

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Speaker 4: where you land in THE nfl is about seventy five

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Speaker 4: percent of your success as a. QUARTERBACK i mean a

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Speaker 4: great example Is Caleb williams with that outfit last.

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Speaker 3: Year everybody bailed on.

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Speaker 4: Him this, year The bears lead THE nfl in big,

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Speaker 4: plays so the gap in. Coaching obviously mcveigh's better than

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Speaker 4: Anybody detroit, Had but here here Was Max crosby The

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Speaker 4: raiders recently talking About stafford as a POTENTIAL mvp for.

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Speaker 11: Some, reason just because their team wasn't the, Best, like

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Speaker 3: See i'm, like, bro he's.

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Speaker 11: Been doing that for ten. Years In, detroit it would

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Speaker 11: be dope to See stafford ON mvp because people were, like,

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Speaker 11: well is he in A hall Of. Famer i'm, like

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Speaker 11: he's been top five for fifteen. YEARS i don't give

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Speaker 11: up what anyone. Says can we have this conversation, NOW

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Speaker 11: i don't give what anyone. Says oh that that's absolutely.

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Speaker 11: TRUE i mean think about.

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Speaker 4: This think how much trust That sean McVeigh had to

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Speaker 4: have to not only trade away A Super bowl quarterback,

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Speaker 4: golf but be willing to pay For stafford and golf.

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Speaker 4: Simultaneously So sean McVay knows more football than you or.

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Speaker 4: Me sean McVay is, like, Yeah i'm gonna move off, golf,

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Speaker 4: who by the, way has been a top twelve quarterback

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Speaker 4: for most of his. Career So i'll move off. Him

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Speaker 4: i'll take an Old stafford that's never won a playoff,

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Speaker 4: game And i'll pay for.

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Speaker 3: Both that is.

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Speaker 4: Having there are certain people in baseball's like this a

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Speaker 4: who's a bit of a, fraud and they'll be, like, oh,

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Speaker 4: no this guy's actually. Great everybody understands. It you go

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Speaker 4: ask pro football players About Matt, stafford they're all Like Matt.

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Speaker 4: Trosby they're, like, bro that guy's been a top five

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Speaker 4: quarterback for fifteen. Years he just got Crappy. Detroit so

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Speaker 4: it's it's and the great thing about him he is

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Speaker 4: a film room. Junkie his wife makes more news than he.

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Speaker 4: Does he's never in the. News he's kind of a regular.

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Speaker 4: Guy you, know you'll see him golfing occasionally in town

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Speaker 4: at one of the country.

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Speaker 3: Clubs but he really is low, key very.

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Speaker 4: Chill but he's the only quarterback in the league that

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Speaker 4: can can join a very go from great to.

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Speaker 8: Year, YEAH i, MEAN i would say he's certainly in

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Speaker 8: THE mvp. Discussion. Now Getting Devonte adams clearly, Helps, oh no,

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Speaker 8: question a major. UPGRADE i, mean They Cooper cup was

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Speaker 8: like one of their core. Guys he was beloved. Out

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Speaker 8: they moved off in pretty. Easily, yeah what has he

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Speaker 8: done In? Seattle Colin like next to? Nothing and they, Upgrade,

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Speaker 8: had young.

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Speaker 4: Receivers schnyder, said we'll bring an old veteran possession guy.

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Speaker 4: In But i'll say If cooper cups are, four that's

430
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Speaker 4: not a bad.

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Speaker 8: Receiving mcvay's done a great job With sneed and, company

432
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 8: just constantly retooling the.

433
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 4: Team all, Right Greg, cosell it is A thursday at

434
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Speaker 4: my favorite fifteen minutes of the.

435
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Speaker 3: Week one, down here comes hour. Two it Is. Thursday

436
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Speaker 3: it's The.

437
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Speaker 2: Herd be sure to catch live editions of The herd

438
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Speaker 2: weekdays and Newn eastern not A. Empacific here we, go

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Speaker 2: it's our. Two it is A. Thursday got a big one.

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Speaker 2: Tonight who do you like? Tonight J matt loaded up.

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Speaker 3: Fun Bo nicks and The.

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00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 8: Broncos he's just been waiting for them to screw up

443
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 8: over under On Gino smith's getting benched.

444
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 3: Tonight would you give it two?

445
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 8: Quarters because O'Connell was pre back practicing with the, team

446
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 8: and you.

447
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 5: Know he can't.

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00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 4: Move he's a pocket. Quarterback if he plays take Denver.

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00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 8: Gino smith in primetime last year and this, year zero

450
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Speaker 8: and five against the, spread one in four straight, up

451
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Speaker 8: the lights get right And Gino smith shrinks?

452
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 4: Badly, well what is it With Pete carroll And Gino?

453
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Speaker 4: Smith you Know brady didn't Want. Donald there were reports

454
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 4: That brady didn't Want Sam darnold in s In.

455
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Speaker 3: Vegas we can.

456
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Speaker 5: Ask tom next time he's.

457
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Speaker 3: In it seems to Me sammy's pretty.

458
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Speaker 5: Good you.

459
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Speaker 3: Know i'll say.

460
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Speaker 4: This the one thing where pro athletes their lives are

461
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 4: like our live is that workplace. Matters and For, sauceguarden

462
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 4: there's this general consensus that The colts and The cowboys

463
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 4: they just paid too. Much they gave up too much

464
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 4: to Get Sauce gardner And Quentin. Williams and WHEN i

465
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 4: See saucegardner And Quentin, WILLIAMS i see excellent players who.

466
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 3: Are in a bad work.

467
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 4: Environment and now these employees are going to go to

468
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 4: very you, know better. SITUATIONS i, mean The colts were

469
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 4: missing a corner there that's going to be a division winning.

470
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 4: Team really talented guy and a bad workplace In New

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Speaker 4: york to a better workplace In, indianapolis And Quentin williams

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Speaker 4: from a bad workplace to a place he plays next

473
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 4: To Kenny. Clark SO i look at, it and that's

474
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 4: the one thing pro athletes and our lives are very.

475
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 4: Similar you can only do so much with a bad.

476
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 4: Boss anybody that's ever had a bad boss or curly has,

477
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,959
Speaker 4: one should sympathize with Un williams and Soft. Gardner nothing

478
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 4: works In New. York it's just a bad place to,

479
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 4: work you. KNOW i was looking this. Morning Quinn williams

480
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 4: six and a half years with The. Jets he got

481
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 4: drafted by ONE, gm he got paid by, another and

482
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 4: he got traded by.

483
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 3: Another is that the most ridiculous thing you've ever?

484
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 4: Heard, well The jets got a bunch of draft. Picks

485
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 4: so what that's like giving your loser brother money he

486
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 4: doesn't have any financial. ABILITY i, mean, seriously giving The

487
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 4: jets draft picks is giving somebody with no financial literacy

488
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 4: a bunch of.

489
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 3: Money so what they don't.

490
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Speaker 5: Know what to do with?

491
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Speaker 4: IT i, mean we all got that person in the

492
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 4: family that you know you don't want to be executor

493
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Speaker 4: of the.

494
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Speaker 3: Will. Right they're, fun they're party. Time you know their Name's.

495
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,719
Speaker 4: Doug you know they're always got the funny sweater On.

496
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Speaker 4: Christmas you don't want to give him any. Money you

497
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Speaker 4: don't want to lend them any. Cash SO i don't

498
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 4: care about draft. Picks who's The jets, coach THE gm the?

499
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 4: Quarterback who? Knows Here's Quinn. Williams i'm the company Of Dallas.

500
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 12: COWBOY i can't wait to get to work BECAUSE i

501
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 12: feel like, action, speed louder the, words and this organization

502
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 12: taking a chance on me and training for. Me give,

503
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 12: me give me the honor to come in and help

504
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 12: this team win football games and do the BEST i

505
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 12: can do to to do my.

506
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 5: JOB i, MEAN i.

507
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 4: Don't mean to sound, harsh but you can give people

508
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 4: with no financial literacy a bunch of money they don't

509
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 4: know what.

510
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 12: To do with.

511
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 3: It you can give The jets draft.

512
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 4: PICKS i was looking at all the teams that have

513
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 4: had multiple first round draft picks the last several. Years

514
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 4: there's a lot Of raiders on that. List there's a

515
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 4: lot Of carolina on that. List Cleveland, jets The rams

516
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 4: have two first round picks next. Year my guess is

517
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,719
Speaker 4: they know what they're. Doing they'll move. Down you know

518
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 4: they'll end up getting a third and a fifth along

519
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 4: with a two.

520
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 3: Ones you know it sounds, harsh but it's the.

521
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 4: Truth Greg cosel forty six YEARS Nfl films is JOINING Us.

522
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 4: Live so you, know it's interesting if you look At

523
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 4: patrick mahomes, career his kryptonite when they really really look,

524
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 4: bad it's not that the running game's not. Available he's

525
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 4: won Super bowls with below, average suboptimal receiving. Corps Travis

526
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 4: kelsey's had bad, Games he's still. Won he won Super

527
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 4: bowls with mediocre. Defenses when he's getting hit and does

528
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 4: not trust his, protection that offense does not look the.

529
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 4: Same so was this just about scheme By buffalo's defense

530
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 4: or was It bosa and? Personnel why did they get

531
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 4: To mahomes for three and a half.

532
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 9: HOURS i think it's a, Combination, colin because What sean McDermott.

533
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 5: Did and just SO i say right up, Front i'm

534
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 5: not a blueprint.

535
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 9: GUY i don't Think mahomes has had obviously great success

536
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 9: in this league and he's a great. Players not as if,

537
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 9: oh just do what The bills did and everybody's going

538
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 9: to Stop Patrick. Mahomes but in this particular, game what

539
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 9: The bills did was they ran a lot of what

540
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 9: we call hybrid, coverages where there were his own parts of,

541
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 9: it there were man parts of, it and all you're

542
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 9: trying to do is you're trying to slow down the

543
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 9: processing For Patrick, mahomes and that's when the pressure becomes a.

544
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 9: Factor and he did not really get out of the

545
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 9: pocket very. Much they did a good job of maintaining,

546
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 9: him keeping him in the. Pocket so in this given,

547
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 9: GAME i thought it was very schematic in what they

548
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 9: did on the back end with their hybrid, looks and

549
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 9: therefore he couldn't really get a sense of. Rhythm and

550
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 9: he's not purely a rhythm player except when he's throwing

551
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 9: the ball. Short so it just slowed everything down for.

552
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 9: Him and then he took way too many. HITS i

553
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 9: mean there was one in particular on the. SIDELINE i

554
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 9: don't Think i've ever seen him hit like.

555
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 4: That, yeah you, Know Josh allen came into this league

556
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 4: with so much horsepower and now he's become so incredibly.

557
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 4: Efficient and we always sort of baked it In greg

558
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 4: that if you have a big, arm if you're big,

559
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 4: band if You're Cam, newton we don't need you to

560
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 4: Be Kirk.

561
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: Cousins you go do your.

562
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 4: Magic we'll we'll give you a little on the efficiency.

563
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 4: Scale yet With ALAN i get. Both he can give

564
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 4: me a twenty two for twenty five AND i get the.

565
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 4: Horsepower why has he become so?

566
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 9: Efficient, Well i'm sure a lot of it has to

567
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 9: do with him in the. Offseason we, Know i'm sure

568
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 9: you Know Jordan. Palmer he's worked with him for, years

569
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 9: AND i think that he's what what they call a rotational.

570
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 9: Thrower so when you're a rotational, THROWER i think you

571
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 9: have to really work on that as opposed to being

572
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 9: a linear thrower where.

573
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 5: Everything is lined up exactly.

574
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 9: Straight when you're, rotational you can throw the ball from different,

575
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 9: angles different, ways AND i think you have to really

576
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 9: become good at. That so NOW i think they also,

577
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 9: understood and this is WHERE i Think Joe brady did

578
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 9: a very good job when he became the. Coordinator IS

579
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 9: i think schematically they've tried to rein him into a

580
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 9: certain degree to allow wow him to play with a

581
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 9: much more defined sense of timing and rhythm rather than just,

582
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 9: hey you know you hear so many people say things

583
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 9: about certain quarterbacks, well let this guy be this.

584
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 5: Guy Let josh Be.

585
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 9: Josh that's all well and, good but at some point

586
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 9: you've got to play the game with. Instructure and you

587
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 9: can argue that The bills, offensively and they do score

588
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 9: a lot of.

589
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 5: Points colin that.

590
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 9: Offensively they're one of the most structured teams in THE,

591
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 9: nfl with the combination of their run game and their

592
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 9: pass game and their past.

593
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 5: Game at.

594
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 9: Times actually SOMETIMES i feel like there could be more to.

595
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 9: It but if you're going to score thirty points a,

596
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 9: GAME i guess that's a tough argument to.

597
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 4: Make So Green bay is the youngest team in the.

598
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 4: League seattle's Offense seattle's. Second So darnald when he Leaves,

599
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 4: minnesota there were a lot of people that, Thought, okay

600
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 4: it's gonna come. Down he's not going to look like. That,

601
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 4: well right, now analytics tells you he's as good as

602
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 4: any quarterback in the. League are you surprised that how

603
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 4: successful he's been In? Seattle he didn't even know IF

604
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 4: jsn was a number one, Receiver, like are you surprised

605
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 4: by what you're?

606
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 3: Seeing?

607
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 5: Oh yes and.

608
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 9: No by the, WAY jsn eighty percent of his routes

609
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 9: this year of his snaps have been as an outside.

610
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 5: Receiver and if you, recall a lot of people.

611
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 9: Said when they Signed Cooper, cup what are they doing

612
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 9: they have two slot. Receivers, well they obviously KNEW jsn

613
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 9: could line up, outside which he's, done AS i, said

614
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 9: on eighty percent of his.

615
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 5: Snaps But i'm not surprised With donald for this.

616
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 9: Reason he's really, gifted as you, know you Know donald,

617
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 9: well but he's a certain kind of. Player you, know

618
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 9: he's not necessarily a sit back in the, pocket.

619
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 5: Read, it scan, it see it.

620
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 9: All so What Clint, kubiak And Clint kubiak is the

621
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 9: one who wanted. Him he sort of comes a bit

622
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 9: from that That Shanahan kubiak tree of play, action play

623
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 9: action boot define the reds in the, throws push it

624
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 9: down the, field off the run action, looks and that's

625
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 9: Where donald is really really. Good and he does throw

626
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 9: the ball very well on the. Run so it's a

627
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 9: class that's the case of matching what a quarterback does really,

628
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 9: well because he does have some things he doesn't do,

629
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 9: well of matching what he does really well with the,

630
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 9: scheme and you see how. Successful there's a perfect example

631
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 9: on that Play action boot work. Perfectly that got the

632
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 9: long touchdown To Cody.

633
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 4: White by the, Way Rashid sahed is a. Burner oh

634
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 4: how does that? HAPPEN i mean that feels like to

635
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 4: me that plays Into. Darnald what do you project?

636
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 5: There, yes, well first of, all there's very few.

637
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 9: Guys in the league column that have WHAT i call terrifying,

638
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 9: speed and he's one of. Them and now they're a

639
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 9: team that plays a lot with two tight ends twelve

640
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 9: personnel as we call, it two tight. Ends so what

641
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 9: happens a lot when you play that way is you

642
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 9: get a defense that sees the, formation the, personnel the,

643
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 9: formations and they think.

644
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 5: Run so they play a lot with a single high.

645
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 9: Safety so now you're going to get an opportunity to

646
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 9: really work the intermediate and vertical route, concepts off shot,

647
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 9: plays off run, action and you have to account For

648
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 9: shaheed and.

649
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 5: Now on the other side you're going to HAVE.

650
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 9: Jsn this is a real that trade to, me maybe

651
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 9: it was overlooked by some people Because shaheed's not a

652
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 9: star in the way we think of, stars but that

653
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 9: may have been one of the most impactful trades that

654
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 9: were made On.

655
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 3: Tuesday So jj McCarthy and we see.

656
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 4: This we saw it With caleb early in the, year

657
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 4: very good on, script and then the last three quarters

658
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 4: not good at. ALL i, said WHEN i watch him

659
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 4: play With, MINNESOTA i see a lot Of MICHIGAN jj McCarthy.

660
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 4: MICHIGAN i love the, Coach, HARBALL i love some of the,

661
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 4: Weapons Justin jefferson Or Colston, lovelin AND i love the.

662
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 4: Defense AND i thought the defense Against detroit was. Sensational

663
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 4: and he makes about one to two big throws a.

664
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 3: GAME jj.

665
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 4: McCarthy, OVERALL i don't see him somebody caring a. Franchise

666
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 4: but you know, AGAIN i Liked michigan's supporting. CAST i

667
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 4: Liked kevin, O'Connell Justin, Jefferson Jordan, addison the left, Tackle Brian.

668
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 4: Flores what did the films say ON jj.

669
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 9: McCarthy, yeah McCarthy to me has something that in some

670
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 9: ways it reminds me Of Alex smith and What i'm

671
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 9: about to, say and this concerns.

672
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 5: Me as he, develops he's what we call.

673
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 9: Colin i'm going to give you a little tutorial here

674
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 9: on quarterback. Mechanics he's what we call a locked front leg.

675
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 9: Thrower so when he steps in he locks his front.

676
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 9: Leg so what happens when you lock your front. Leg

677
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 9: it's like running into a. Wall you can't really transfer your,

678
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 9: weight you don't get any core talk. Torque so if

679
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 9: you watch him, throw you'll notice that it looks like

680
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 9: he's working hard to throw the. Ball, NOW i don't

681
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 9: think his, arm just as an arm is, bad but

682
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 9: it limits your ability to drive the football because you

683
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 9: can't really bring your core into your. Throw and there's

684
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 9: been quarterbacks throughout the years That Alex, smith AS i,

685
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 9: said is a great.

686
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 5: Example and based.

687
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 9: On what you, said you might think he's very much

688
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 9: Liking Alex smith and the way he's gonna have to.

689
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 5: Play and by the, Way.

690
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 9: Alex smith on teams he was on won a lot

691
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 9: of football, games so you can. Win BUT i think

692
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 9: it'll be interesting to see how his career.

693
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 5: Progresses but you're.

694
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 9: Right and by the, Way Brian flores did an unbelievable

695
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 9: job in that game against The. Lions and you know

696
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 9: what stood out watching that, tape the pressure in THE a.

697
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 9: Gap and you know why the pressure in THE a

698
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 9: gap was so important because you know what that. Did

699
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 9: it Made Jamiir gibbs have to stay in to pass

700
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 9: protect and that may not seem like a big deal

701
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 9: when you're watching the, game but therefore he's not getting

702
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 9: out in space and killing them as a. RECEIVER i

703
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 9: don't know how many TIMES i didn't count. IT i

704
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 9: don't know how many Times Jamier gibbs had a pass

705
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 9: protect because of a gap. Pressure it had to be

706
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 9: definitely more than ten and that really handicapped The lions pass.

707
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: Game SO i just went on a rant about The.

708
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 4: Jets and when a workplace environment's, lousy and then you

709
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 4: go to a good work, environment the same employee can

710
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 4: be a different. Employee Sauce gardner With Robert salah was

711
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 4: excellent in the last couple of.

712
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 3: Years he's. Bad, well he.

713
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 4: Didn't get he didn't lose, length, speed he didn't lose,

714
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 4: intelligence he didn't lose any of those. Qualities it's just

715
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 4: a bad work. Environment Sauce. Gardener The Colts Chris balder

716
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 4: told me years ago we're. Texting he, said there's a

717
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 4: cornerback shortage in the. League he, goes everybody can find

718
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 4: a third or a fourth grade. Receiver nobody can find

719
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 4: a second good. Corner it's. Harder they're not out. There

720
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 4: SO i like to move by The. Colts what do

721
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 4: you make of?

722
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 9: It, yeah and that's WHY i think it's hard to

723
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 9: look at What gardner's done the last few year and

724
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 9: a half because there are not many guys at six,

725
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 9: three two hundred and ten pounds that move like he.

726
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 9: Does you, know there's not a ton of those. Guys so,

727
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 9: again we're.

728
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 5: Not In New. York you, know we don't know the.

729
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 9: Environment but obviously it has to wear on you after

730
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 9: a certain amount a certain amount of. Time but you,

731
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 9: know he'll obviously step right in and start and. PLAY

732
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 9: i guess they play overseas this. Weekend but the culture

733
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 9: a team that plays a lot of different coverage, schemes

734
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 9: so it's not as if foundationally they do one. Thing

735
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 9: AND i think he's got the ability to pretty much

736
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 9: play any coverage scheme that you want him to. Play

737
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 9: they actually have a very good, Defense. COLIN i, mean

738
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 9: everybody's been talking for the most part About Daniel jones

739
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 9: And taylor and the, offense and deservedly. So and by the,

740
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 9: WAY i didn't Think Daniel jones was as bad as

741
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 9: maybe a lot of people fought this past, Week but

742
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 9: just talking about their, defense they've got a lot of

743
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 9: good players at all three levels of their. Defense this

744
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 9: is this is going to be a really interesting team to.

745
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 4: WATCH i want to talk IF, i IF i, could

746
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 4: About dak And arizona On monday. Night Forget. Arizona Jacoby

747
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 4: brissett's a. Pro he you, know The dallas defense isn't.

748
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 4: Good When dak struggles like, That is it? Pressure is it?

749
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 4: COACHING i didn't think it was a good night For

750
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 4: dallas's coaching. Staff and by the, way great coaches have bad.

751
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 4: Nights what did you make Of dallas's? Offense, YEAH i

752
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 4: thought it. Was it was a tough watch watching their.

753
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 4: Offense and you, Know, Dak we've talked about this over the.

754
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 4: Years you, Know dak is a good, player no, question

755
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 4: but at this point in his, career he doesn't have

756
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 4: the same movement that he once. Had he's essentially at

757
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 4: his corn now a pocket, player.

758
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 9: So he's a ball. Distributor he's an executor of an.

759
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 9: Offense it needs to be in, rhythm it needs to

760
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 9: be in. Timing if it's not clear to, him for whatever,

761
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 9: reason the defense takes it, away he feels a little,

762
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 9: pressure then he's not going to play quite as. Well

763
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 9: it's just the way it. Is but there are some

764
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 9: games where he's really, very very. Good he certainly is

765
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 9: a veteran who sees. Things but every once in a,

766
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 9: while you, KNOW i remember years Ago Ron jaworski telling

767
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 9: me that there's two games a year.

768
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 5: Where you just don't see it the right.

769
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 9: Way AND i got that impression watching the tape of

770
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 9: him on the other. Night it just it just didn't seem.

771
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 9: Comfortable he didn't seem like a comfortable, player and that can.

772
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 9: Happen and by the, Way arizona does have a defense that.

773
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 5: As a lot of things that can make it difficult for.

774
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 4: Quarterbacks, yeah all, right there's two games this weekend getting

775
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 4: a lot of. Attention one of Them philadelphia At Green. Bay,

776
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 4: yes so you gotta be. Careful Green bay has lost

777
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 4: To Cleveland, carolina but they can play with the best

778
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 4: teams in the. League Does Green bay match up With phillies?

779
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 4: Personnel you mean overall like the? RUNS i, mean when

780
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,959
Speaker 4: you look at what you've seen on film From Green.

781
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 4: Bay here's What i've said about Green, Bay. Greg they're

782
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 4: a team with, talent BUT i don't know what they.

783
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 3: Are what is your?

784
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 4: IDENTITY i think they want to run and they're not

785
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 4: terribly effective at.

786
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 5: It they haven't been this.

787
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 9: Year And Matt lafleur always wants to run because he

788
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 9: comes from The Shanahan, school so he definitely wants the

789
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 9: run game to be a strong. Foundation last week was

790
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 9: an odd game for, Them. Colin they had eight, possessions

791
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 9: they never, punted and they scored thirteen. Points that's a

792
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 9: very odd. Game now they had a fumble in the red.

793
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 9: Zone but the run game this year has not been

794
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 9: what it's been the last couple of years With, jacobs

795
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 9: and it's hard to know, why but it just hasn't

796
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 9: been the. Same AND i, LOOK i Think love is

797
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 9: a really good. Player he had a really reckless interception last,

798
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 9: week which he doesn't do very, much but it was

799
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 9: a very odd. Game if you look At love's game

800
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 9: on tape and then his, numbers they were. Fine it

801
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 9: wasn't as if he had a bad. Game that's the

802
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 9: interception that was just reckless and. Undisciplined but you, know

803
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 9: they're starting to lose. Receivers we have always, said, boy

804
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 9: they've got a ton of, receivers but now they're starting

805
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 9: to lose receivers to.

806
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 5: Injury Tucker craft is out for the.

807
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 9: Season i'm really anxious to see from year Old nick

808
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 9: of The woods in The Pacific Northwest musgrave because When

809
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 9: musgrave came, out he was hurt his last year At,

810
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 9: oregon but he was considered a really big time. PROSPECT

811
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 9: i did his. Tape he's faster Than, craft you. Know,

812
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 9: Now i'm not saying he's as, good not as. Good

813
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 9: we don't know that because he wasn't used as their

814
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 9: number one tight.

815
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 5: End he will be. Now but he's got a lot.

816
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 9: Of juice to, him So i'm very curious to see

817
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 9: how that fits into their.

818
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 4: Offense, also another, game The rams and The. Niners now

819
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 4: The niners are plagued with. Injuries Kind i've always. Been

820
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 4: i'm fascinated when you can go get A puka WHO

821
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 4: i watched At washington AND vyu and then he goes

822
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 4: To veay and from the very first training, Camp stafford

823
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 4: was telling people this, kid This puka kid is. Unbelievable

824
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 4: he's not the fastest. GUY i do think he's physically.

825
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 4: Strong when you watch This rams, offense how crucial Is

826
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 4: Puka now over In, london he didn't play and they

827
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 4: used four tight ends And Devonte adams now is a

828
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 4: growing relationship With. Stafford stafford had no. Camp how important

829
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 4: Is puka in this offense and why does he succell

830
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 4: to the level he does.

831
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 5: Well there's a couple of things going on.

832
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 9: Here first of, all the last two games they've, played

833
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 9: they've played a lot with three tight ends on the,

834
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 9: field which is. Crazy last week they had thirty five

835
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 9: snaps with three tight ends on the. Field BUT i

836
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 9: think McVeigh understands exactly What Puka naku. Is he's not

837
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 9: what we call a true BOUNDARY x where he lines

838
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 9: up as the isolated or single receiver to one side

839
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 9: of the field and you let him just win one on.

840
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 5: One he's not that.

841
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 9: Guy in, fact only two of his one hundred and

842
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 9: ninety eight routes this year have been where he's been

843
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 9: an isolated. Receiver that's why they went out and Got

844
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 9: Devonte adams because he is that. Guy that's how they use.

845
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 9: Him but McVeigh understands What nikoo. Is they use him

846
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 9: as a movement. Guy they use him as part of

847
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 9: two and three route. Combinations they get him off the line.

848
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 9: Cleanly he runs a lot of inbreaking routes and that's

849
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 9: where he's so good because he's so physically, strong and

850
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 9: he's a great player within the context of how he's

851
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 9: used and What sean McVay understands his strengths to. Be

852
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 9: i'm not sure no matter what his numbers, Are colin

853
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 9: AND i would think you would. Agree i'm not sure

854
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 9: anybody would, say just as a physical talent that.

855
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 5: You're going to put him in The jefferson Or Jamar chase.

856
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 9: Category but he's a great player within the context of that.

857
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 4: Offense, yeah fit matters in life and in. Sports let's

858
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 4: let's do Some Caleb. Williams we'll end our segment on

859
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 4: A thursday here in The. Herd first of, all what

860
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 4: did the tape. Say let's just simplify, here what did

861
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 4: the tape say With caleb against The.

862
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 3: BENGALS i, thought.

863
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 9: And, again we know The bengals are a bad, defense

864
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 9: but that's not What i'm looking. AT i thought this

865
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 9: was a game maybe the first one this, year OR

866
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 9: i thought the combination of looking at What Ben johnson did,

867
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 9: offensively AND i said to, Myself, oh this is A

868
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 9: Ben johnson. Offense this is what we want to see

869
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 9: From Ben. Johnson this reminded me of The lions, offense

870
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 9: seeing the same, concepts and it was a game WHERE

871
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 9: i thought That caleb really started to get a feel

872
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 9: for those. Concepts now he's there's still throws where he's

873
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 9: a beat. Late there's still times where there's just a

874
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 9: little too much for neticism in the pocket and he

875
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,439
Speaker 9: gets out of there and it just looks. Random that's

876
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 9: what he has to continue to.

877
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 5: Develop BUT i got it tell, You, colin and you know.

878
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,959
Speaker 5: THIS i mean this, kid particularly on the. Move he's

879
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 5: got a power hose net he.

880
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 9: Throws he throws as pretty a ball as you'll see

881
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 9: in the.

882
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 5: League but there's still work to. Do but it just.

883
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 5: Started there were some plays in this game.

884
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 9: WHERE i just felt, like, oh, yeah this is the

885
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 9: Way Ben johnson wants it to.

886
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 5: Look And i'm actually going to show one of. Those

887
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 5: and it's.

888
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 9: FUNNY i actually watched The lions offense AFTER i Watch

889
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,720
Speaker 9: Caleb williams this, week AND i saw the same. Play

890
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 9: so we're going to go to this. Play this was

891
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 9: a thirty nine yarder To, Loveland, okay and this was

892
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 9: in the second, half and this Is Ben. Johnson a

893
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 9: Classic Ben johnson. Play you're going to See williams under center,

894
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 9: here and what they have here is six ozero line

895
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 9: personnel and this is something that The lions.

896
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 5: Did it's something That Ben johnson likes to.

897
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 9: Do and there's a tight end now up, top and

898
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 9: it's closed to the, boundary so it means there's no

899
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 9: one why to the boundary side of the. Field it's

900
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 9: closed to the. Boundary so what you're going to get

901
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 9: Is dunsay In loveland stacked to the wide side of the.

902
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 9: Field so this, personnel this, formation it says to the

903
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 9: defense here it's a run. Look so it's single. High

904
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 9: so now you're going to see what the route concept.

905
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 5: Is it's. Dagger this is A Ben johnson.

906
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 9: Special it's an inside vertical by A dunsay and a

907
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 9: dig route By. Loveland so what you end up with

908
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 9: is you're going to get essentially a two on two

909
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 9: kind of matchup because you're going to get the corner

910
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 9: Playing loveland and obviously you've got the safety in the deep. Middle,

911
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 9: now then you run play action under. Center that's something

912
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 9: else that's very representative Of Ben. Johnson so you get

913
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 9: the play action under, center which they're doing more and

914
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 9: more of, now and that's critical so you get, That

915
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 9: now what happens you get A.

916
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 5: Dunzay he's going to get the safety out of.

917
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 9: There so now what's going to happen because you only

918
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 9: have the single high safety is the whole middle of

919
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 9: the field becomes open and you Get. Loveland and by the,

920
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 9: Way loveland can beat corners and that's why he's running this.

921
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 9: Route So loveland now works into a void in the

922
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 9: middle of the. Field there's no one. There and look

923
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 9: at this. THROW i, mean this is just one of

924
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 9: those where this is a beautifully thrown ball To. Loveland

925
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 9: it's thirty one. Yards you see it really well from this.

926
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 9: ANGLE i, mean the ball comes out Of Caleb williams hands.

927
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 9: Beautifully he just needs to be a little more consistently

928
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 9: precise with his ball, location and he just needs to

929
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 9: become a little quicker with how he sees things and

930
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 9: how he delivers the. Football but there's a lot of talent.

931
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 4: There Greg cosel on A thursday as always great.

932
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 3: Stuff appreciate.

933
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: It