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Speaker 1: Wilcott dot com. Cloyd Steiger thirty six years, Seattle PD

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Speaker 1: our New York station WNBC reporting that in a court

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Speaker 1: hearing on Friday, New York City Police detectives testified that

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Speaker 1: the thirteen year old suspect told them he watched his

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Speaker 1: two friends grabbed Tessa Majors in Morningside Park, put her

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Speaker 1: in a chokehold, and remove items from her pockets. Then

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Speaker 1: the boy told detectives he watched as his friends slashed

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Speaker 1: the young woman with a knife and saw feathers from

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Speaker 1: the stuffing of her coat come flying out. The thirteen

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Speaker 1: year old is charged as a juvenile with second degree murder, robbery,

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Speaker 1: and a weapon's charge due to his age. NBC News

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Speaker 1: is not naming the suspect. Officials also questioning a fourteen

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Speaker 1: year old in connection with the killing. Guys, we are

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Speaker 1: bringing the latest in the murder of a teen girl

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Speaker 1: Barnard College student dead at the hands of a pack

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Speaker 1: of wolves twins out of Control crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: The thirteen year old suspect has been charged with second

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Speaker 1: degree murder. The NYPD says they were canvassing an area

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Speaker 1: near the crime scene when they saw this suspect wearing

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Speaker 1: clothing similar to that of suspects from the park. Now,

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Speaker 1: this team had possession of a knife and admitted two

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Speaker 1: detectives that he and two friends robbed Tessa Majors and

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Speaker 1: stabbed her. I think if this is just kind of

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Speaker 1: a shock. Barnard College students were emotional Thursday after news

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Speaker 1: emerged their classmate, freshman Tessa Majors, had been killed in

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Speaker 1: a park near campus. It could have been anyone, and

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Speaker 1: it's just so unfortunate that it happened to someone who

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Speaker 1: was so young. Just before seven pm Wednesday, police say

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Speaker 1: Major's was stabbed several times by one to three people

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Speaker 1: after a struggle in the park. She staggered up the

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Speaker 1: steps into the street, where a school security guard eventually

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Speaker 1: saw her and called nine one one. She later died

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Speaker 1: at the hospital. You're hearing our friends at CBS News.

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Speaker 1: That was Errol Barnett. It's my understanding to Alexis terrest

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Speaker 1: so I can investigative report or Radar online dot com

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Speaker 1: that she managed to crawl to a security station, but

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Speaker 1: of course nobody was there and she died. Is that right, Alexis?

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Speaker 1: So she did. She crawled up the stairs and if

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Speaker 1: you know the area, it's super steep, the stone stairs.

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Speaker 1: I mean they are at least fifty of them, I

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Speaker 1: would say, and she called all the way to top. Now,

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Speaker 1: the original report was that there was not a guard there.

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Speaker 1: The guard was out on rounds and came back about

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Speaker 1: thirty minutes later and founder, but the police have said

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Speaker 1: that the guard was there at the time when she

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Speaker 1: crawled to the top of the steps, called nine one

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Speaker 1: one immediately and then she was taken to the hospital

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Speaker 1: where she died at the hospital. To Ashley will Caught judge,

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Speaker 1: trial lawyer or anchor at Court TV, and you can

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Speaker 1: find her at Ashwillcott dot com. Her murder we believe

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Speaker 1: was committed by tweens thirteen and fourteen years old. I

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Speaker 1: believe they will be charged as adults. What do you say, Ashley? Oh,

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Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. So you know, the seven

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Speaker 1: deadly sins so to speak, and the murder, agassault, rape

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Speaker 1: with intend to kill, those things are all when juveniles

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Speaker 1: can be charged as adults and are charged as adults,

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Speaker 1: And so I would expect that to happen in this case,

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Speaker 1: given the fact it was a felony murder as you stated,

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Speaker 1: they had the intent to rob and then killed this

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Speaker 1: young woman and to Chloyd Stike or Seattle PD homicide

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Speaker 1: Now that one twain is in custody, I would expect

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Speaker 1: the case fall like dominoes. How close do you believe

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Speaker 1: police are to catching Tessa's other two killers? Oh? I

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Speaker 1: believe they're very close. And you're right, that's that's the

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Speaker 1: whole thing. Once that first domino falls, they just fall

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Speaker 1: into place. This Uh, they probably know who both the

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Speaker 1: other two are. They just are waiting to get their

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Speaker 1: evidence lined up. And you know, I actually my first

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Speaker 1: order I ever investigated in my life back in nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety four, kids about this age, and they were all

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Speaker 1: tried as adults. And it's just that again that wolf

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Speaker 1: pack mentality. The kid that they have in custody. When

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Speaker 1: he chased that girl into the little store a week before,

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Speaker 1: he didn't just chase her and she was on the

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Speaker 1: floor and he was kicking her on the floor. That

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Speaker 1: shows a total lack of empathy and what we're dealing with.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Cloyd Steiger, tell me that again about

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Speaker 1: him kicking the little girl while she's on the floor.

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Speaker 1: What of a deli? Oh, I don't know how it

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Speaker 1: was not. It was a young woman, not a little girl.

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Speaker 1: But he had chased somebody into that delay to rob her.

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Speaker 1: And the reports I read this that the girl was

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Speaker 1: on the floor and the scene thirteen year old was

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Speaker 1: kicking her while she was laying on the floor and

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Speaker 1: then fled before police got there. Doctor Bethany Marshall helped me.

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Speaker 1: How does a thirteen year old? How are they that cruel?

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Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you the thirteen year old and

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Speaker 1: I'm not proud, but I'm also not embarrassed of prosecuting

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Speaker 1: one of the youngest murderers in the state of Georgia.

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Speaker 1: He was thirteen, broke into a pawn shop with two

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Speaker 1: others and gun and everybody down for a handful of

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Speaker 1: gold chains, dope ropes left. Oh how many dead? One

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Speaker 1: or two dead and one forever in a wheelchair with

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Speaker 1: a colostomy back. All right, what can you do with that?

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Speaker 1: Beside prosecuted for murder? I mean that there's no other alternative.

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Speaker 1: How are people so evil? It's I know what, I

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Speaker 1: don't know that they are evil, doctor Bethany. Maybe they

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Speaker 1: just don't feel anything. Maybe they're like a wolf. It

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Speaker 1: will rip your throat out, doesn't realize it did anything

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Speaker 1: at all. I mean, when you work with juveniles, you

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Speaker 1: begin to realize how complex these cases are. There's often

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Speaker 1: lack of parental supervision, abuse in the home, perhaps the

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Speaker 1: beginnings of a sociopathic personality, disorder, bipolar disorder. All kinds

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Speaker 1: of things can be going on in this child's life,

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Speaker 1: and we have no idea what those factors are for sure.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that stands out is that when

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Speaker 1: he was brought into the police for questioning, he was

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Speaker 1: accompanied by an aunt and uncle. And that makes me

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Speaker 1: wonder why an aunt and uncle? Why no parents? Does

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Speaker 1: he not have parents? Is there no parental supervision. Certainly

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Speaker 1: the two boys he potentially romanced, seduced or obsessionally coerced

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Speaker 1: into committing the crime with him, We're well aware that

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Speaker 1: this was about to happen. So those two boys as well,

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Speaker 1: what was happening with them? They had plenty of opportunity

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Speaker 1: to tell their parents to go to the police. So

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Speaker 1: is there no parental supervision there? I aer on the

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Speaker 1: side this thirteen year old that this was the beginnings

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Speaker 1: of a sociopathic personality disorder, that it was a very

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Speaker 1: complex picture, that perhaps some bipolar or some psychiatric illness

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Speaker 1: that causes enormous bursts of energy. And also even though

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Speaker 1: he's thirteen years old, we cannot rule out drug abuse.

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Speaker 1: I have an adult patient in my practice who's a

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Speaker 1: multi millionaire plumber, owns a plumbing business. He was in

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Speaker 1: federal prison for seven years, the gang banger. He told me,

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Speaker 1: he broke into people's houses, threatened to kill a police officer,

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Speaker 1: hit old ladies over the head, grabbed their purses. He

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Speaker 1: was on PCP all throughout his adolescence. He is now

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Speaker 1: super Christian, has four kids, goes to Catholic church every Sunday,

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Speaker 1: is afraid to go into a bathroom by himself because

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Speaker 1: he's afraid that he'll be framed for something he did

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Speaker 1: not do. So you can be the worst of the

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Speaker 1: worst and also redeem yourself. That's how complex these situations are, Bethany.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you don't understand me. I'm all for forgiveness and redemption.

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Speaker 1: While you are in jail. You can be forgiven. You

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Speaker 1: can redeem yourself and start all over while you are

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Speaker 1: in jail. And we already know that these This one

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Speaker 1: juvenal is charged with felony second degree murder because that's

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Speaker 1: felony murder, robbery, possession of a weapon, Alexa's terrestia. Why

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Speaker 1: are they dredging a pond? Are they trying to find

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Speaker 1: the murder weapon? They are? They have said that they

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Speaker 1: were not sure that the knife there was. I believe

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Speaker 1: a knife found at the scene, and that the boy

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Speaker 1: had a knife, but they are not sure that either

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Speaker 1: of those knives were connected to the actual that was

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Speaker 1: the one that actually stabbed her. So yes, they are

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Speaker 1: trying to find the murder weapon. And may I ask

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Speaker 1: why are people saying that she was in the park

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Speaker 1: trying to buy pot. Who's saying that the thirteen year

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Speaker 1: old trying to make the murder victim look bad Alexis.

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Speaker 1: It's actually the head of the Sergeant's Benevolent Association, which

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Speaker 1: is the police union. And he went on a radio show,

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Speaker 1: not even like a press conference, just went on a

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Speaker 1: radio show and said this his rant about trying to

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Speaker 1: say that the marijuana legalization laws are wrong and if

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Speaker 1: the laws had were stronger, then she would have been

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Speaker 1: afraid to have tried to go buy pot. And it

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Speaker 1: was really just victim shaming, and it's really just a

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Speaker 1: reprehensible state. Well, another thing, whose word are they taking

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Speaker 1: for that? The thirteen year old killers? I mean? And

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Speaker 1: another thing, there's a theory that it could help or

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Speaker 1: hurt the investigation, Cloyd stigger to drag the victim through

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Speaker 1: the mud, claiming she was buying pot. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it would help or her. I actually I don't know

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Speaker 1: that I even believe it. And even if it is true,

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Speaker 1: I don't care. She is a teen girl murder, Cloyd,

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Speaker 1: How could it help or hurt the investigation? Here? Exactly right,

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Speaker 1: It has no bearing either way. You know, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: It didn't matter if she was going to buy heroin.

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Speaker 1: She still didn't deserve to get murdered, right, So that

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Speaker 1: is really a mood point, and I don't see any

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Speaker 1: value one way or the other. We wait as justice unfalls.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crimes story, signing off Goodbye friend,