1 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Bruce and it's such a beautiful day 2 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: here in La and as always, I'm really glad you 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: pulled up a share for Table for two. Today we 4 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: went back at the Tower Bar for another great lunch. 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 2: I see the curtain moving, Donadana. 6 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: The seventies were a very specific time for me watching 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: television and it really influenced my love for California as 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: a kid living in New York. I'm talking about stuff 9 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: like Brady Bunch, Happy Days and Three's Company, And as 10 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: it turns out, our guest, Rita Wilson, was on all 11 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: those shows. 12 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 3: Hi. Hi. 13 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: She was born and raised in La. 14 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: She's married to one of the biggest movie stores in 15 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: the world, a guy named Tom Hanks. And she's an 16 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: incredible actress, producer, and a singer with a new album 17 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: of duets called Rita Wilson Now and Forever. She also 18 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: has some great story worries about California in the seventies. 19 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 4: I ordered the loudest sology you could possibly order on 20 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 4: the menu. 21 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: So grab a rose because today we're having lunch with 22 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: Rita Wilson. I'm Bruce Bosi and this is my podcast 23 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: Table for two. 24 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 2: Welcome to table for two. 25 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 4: Hi. 26 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: You his so nice to see. 27 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: This is super exciting because the last time I saw you, 28 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: we were at the Elton John concert. 29 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: In the stadium, Yes, sitting together, rocking out. 30 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was so good. I saw him there. I 31 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 4: guess it was the seventies. I want to talk to that, Yes, 32 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 4: so we'll talk all about the seventies. It's so extraordinary. 33 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 4: I still feel this way that we are living in 34 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 4: a time where our heroes of our youth are still 35 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 4: playing and still out there and we can see them 36 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 4: because so many people aren't doing what they used to do. 37 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 4: But you have people like Elton, you have Paul McCartney, 38 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 4: you have Bruce Springsteen, you have even Madonna now has 39 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 4: been performing for like forty years, you know, but that Chicago, 40 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 4: the Eagles, those people are still out there performing. G 41 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 4: Yeah sometimes, and I don't think it ever gets sold 42 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 4: because you know, I grew up. 43 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 3: I'm born in Race in Holliday. 44 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 2: You know. I just what I want you to talk 45 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: to me about right now before we get your album. 46 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 3: Which fine, we'll do that too. 47 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: So you grew up. I want to know about growing 48 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:38,679 Speaker 2: up in Hollywood seventies. 49 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: You want some of my favorite shows that got me 50 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: to California. FYI, Happy Days, all of them, happy company. 51 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 3: This is what I thought I was. I thought I 52 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 3: was going to You're going to go live that life, go, 53 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 3: You're going to find some roomings. Well I was. 54 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 4: I started to say that I'm talking about those people 55 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 4: in music that are are icons, you know, not just mine, 56 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 4: but the worlds. Is that I loved music so much 57 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 4: that I got a job at Universal Studios. Used to 58 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 4: have a venue called the Universal Amphitheater and it's where 59 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 4: the Harry Potter right is now, but it used to 60 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 4: be outdoors and it was just bliss and everybody came 61 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 4: through there. So Elton came through there, Joni Mitchell, Carol King, 62 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 4: Linda Ronstad, the Eagles, Steve Martin, would do comedy, you 63 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 4: name it. 64 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 3: They were there. 65 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 4: And so I can't ever quite separate myself from the 66 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 4: reverence that I have for all of those influences in 67 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 4: music and what they felt like when I saw them 68 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 4: the first time. I like, my first concert was led 69 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 4: Zeppelin at the Forum, right, I just want. 70 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 3: To give your listeners a little visual of that too. 71 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 4: So I went with two girlfriends of mine who were twins, 72 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 4: and Rose and Carol O'Connell, like, if they're out there listening, hi, guys, 73 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 4: I'd love to see you. And they were identical twins 74 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 4: that were about five eleven and shocks of red hair 75 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 4: and freckles and just you know, fantastic physiques and just 76 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 4: they looked like Gazelle's. 77 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 3: And my mom used. 78 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 4: To make my clothes, so she made me an outfit 79 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 4: that was a Hawaiian print fabric with the turquoise background 80 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 4: and like canoes and surfboards and palm trees and you 81 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 4: know those kind of flowers on it, yellows, reds, pinks, 82 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 4: and the pants were draw string bell bottoms and then 83 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 4: full midrif exposed, and then the top was like a 84 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 4: little short sleeved thing, but you would tie the top 85 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 4: like right under your boobs. So that was my outloik 86 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 4: okay with these things called wedgies were my sandals, I'm sorry, 87 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 4: Corky's were my sandals. 88 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 3: Big platform, right big. 89 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 4: So we were so excited running to the forum to 90 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 4: see led Zeppelin that I fell flat on my face 91 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 4: running with my corkies. And you suffer from beauty, you suffer, 92 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 4: really got right back up. 93 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: And those are those, don't you think? 94 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: Those days and having those like that's it's the best 95 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 2: to have. 96 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: And you grew up at a time and like you 97 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: reference that in the seventies because. 98 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: You also grew up in Los Angeles. 99 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: To me, the sweet magic spot of Los Angeles was 100 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: the sixties and the seventies. Sure, anyone says, and we 101 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: also know what was happening in music in the seventies. Yeah, 102 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles with Joni Mitchell, with Mama. 103 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 3: Cass, Carol King and Stevie Mitt. 104 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: Talk to me about who was like what were you 105 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 1: running around in like that music scene? 106 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 4: Like, well, okay, let's just take Laurel Canyon for example. 107 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 4: Laurel Canyon for many people was a literal place but 108 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 4: also a metaphorical place. And for me it was the 109 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 4: same thing. I knew that Carol King and Joni Mitchell 110 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,239 Speaker 4: and all these people that I loved were living up there. 111 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 4: I have two stories about Laurel Canyon that are particular. 112 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 4: Would you like to hear them? Yes, okay. One is 113 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 4: that in high school, Bobby Carodine, who was David Carodine's 114 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 4: brother and he was an actor, also went to my 115 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 4: high school. 116 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 3: He was a little bit older than I was. 117 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 4: I think, and he asked me on a date. And 118 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 4: he had a little Alfa Romeo, like a red sports car. 119 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 4: So he said, let's go for a ride, you know, 120 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 4: just drive around. And I think it was a school night, 121 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 4: so it was pretty early, but we were driving around 122 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 4: and he says, well, let's go up and visit my brother. 123 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 4: Now his brother at the time was David Carodine and 124 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 4: he was doing the series Kung Fu, remember that. 125 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 3: So I said sure. 126 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 4: At that time, I had eaten at home. And he 127 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 4: takes us up and David was married to Barbara Hershey, 128 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 4: who at that time was going by the name Barbara 129 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 4: Hershey Seagull because Siegel like Siegel exactly exactly. So they 130 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 4: were like, okay, let's go see what my brother's doing. 131 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 4: So we show up and they had a little baby, 132 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 4: and the baby wasn't even walking, it was just a 133 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 4: crawling baby. But it was Laurel Canyon. They were hippies, 134 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,239 Speaker 4: it was not they had a big, huge dog. 135 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 3: It was not the cleanest of kitchens, let's say. 136 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 4: But the baby was on the floor and I took 137 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 4: one look around and I was like, I'm not really 138 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 4: like vibing with this whole you know. 139 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 3: Like not really clean vibe. 140 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 4: So yeah, but the baby is there and so cute, 141 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 4: and she's making some kind of dinner, and you know, 142 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 4: we all sit down to eat, and they asked me 143 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 4: if I wanted to eat, and I said no because 144 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 4: I had just eaten at my parents, right, So I said, 145 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 4: thank you very much. Would you like something to drink? 146 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 4: And I said yes? What could they do to get 147 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 4: something to drink? So she passes over a communal bowl 148 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 4: of water? Amazing, and so I did one of those 149 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 4: fake things where you like pretend you're sipping but you're 150 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 4: really just. 151 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 3: Like your lips are clothes, like you know now during COVID, 152 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 3: that wouldn't fly. So that was one Laurel Canyon story, but. 153 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 2: It was Laura Canyon. 154 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 3: Yes, it really did. 155 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: Communal bowl of water. 156 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: It was. 157 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 3: But the thing was that people really believed it. 158 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 4: They believed in this idea of free love and taking 159 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 4: care of each other and everybody shares everything, and so 160 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 4: there was something to it that really was authentic, wasn't fake. 161 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 4: I mean, they were in a private in their moment 162 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 4: at home and that's how they were living. So no judgment, 163 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 4: just my own issues. I kind of the other Laurel 164 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 4: Canyon story that's so great? Is so, this is so fun. 165 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 4: Nobody's ever asked me this stuff before. So do you 166 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 4: talk about those stories? 167 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 3: Right? 168 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 4: So, two of my best friends growing up were Catholic 169 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 4: and they went to a Catholic girls school called Corvallis. 170 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 4: It was on Laurel Canyon, just south of Ventura Boulevard. 171 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 4: The building is still there, but it's not a girls 172 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 4: school anymore. And one of their best friends there was 173 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 4: Melanie Griffith. So I met Melanie when I was like 174 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 4: sixteen or seventeen years old, right, And Melanie was dating 175 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 4: Don Johnson at that time already and Don had a 176 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 4: house in Laurel Canyon. Share also had a house up 177 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 4: the street from them, and she had a turquoise blue 178 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 4: Dino Ferrari. And I've never asked her this, but I 179 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 4: will one days that true. 180 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 3: Did you have a turquoise blue Dino Ferrari? I believe 181 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 3: that Share would have had that, I think. 182 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 4: So Melanie and Don were seeing each other and we 183 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 4: were over there one day, but it was cold. 184 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 3: It was Don's house, but Melanie was still in high school. 185 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 4: But it was also kind of random because she was 186 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 4: still dating Don so I don't know. 187 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 3: She lived at home or she lived with Donna. Very 188 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 3: free love, very free love. So Melanie says to don Donnie, 189 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 3: it's cold. Can you light a fire? And he says, yeah, sure. 190 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 4: So we girls are outside, were doing something, we're laughing whatever. 191 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 3: We hear some noise. We don't think much of it. 192 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 4: We come back in and there's a gorgeous fire roaring 193 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 4: in this Laurel Canyon cottage. And Melanie says. 194 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 3: Where'd you get the fire? Would? He says, I chopped 195 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 3: up one of the chairs. 196 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 5: What she did? 197 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 3: He chopped up one of the dining room chairs. What 198 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 3: was happening? I don't know. 199 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 4: So Melanie says one night, we want to fix you 200 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 4: up with somebody, and I said, okay, who. 201 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 3: She says, really nice daisi Arnt Junior. I'm like, oh yeah, 202 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 3: he's kind of cute. Yeah that'd be fun, let's do it. 203 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 4: So I was driving my parents Barracuda because as one does, 204 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 4: and I go pick up Melanie at Tippy's house. 205 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 2: So Tippy Hendron is melanie mother. She was a big 206 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 2: star for all of you. 207 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 4: All the Hitchcock movies, she did the Birds, she did 208 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 4: so many Hitchcock films. Marnie I think she was in 209 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 4: there too, and I go pick up Melanie and she says, 210 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 4: you know, like I'll be right there. Somebody lets me 211 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 4: into the house and in the backyard and I'm not 212 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 4: kidding you is a black panther. Because Tippy was an 213 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 4: animal activist and she kept this black panther or puma 214 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 4: or whatever it is. It was all black, right, big, 215 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 4: all in the backyard. 216 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 3: And I'm looking through the sliding glass like I'm not 217 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 3: going out there, going out there. So we go, Melanie 218 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 3: comes down, we go. 219 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 4: We go to Desi's house to pick him up, and 220 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 4: that's where Donnie is so and the four of us 221 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 4: go in one car to a restaurant. I mean probably 222 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 4: I was seventeen, yeah, probably twenty, I don't know young, 223 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 4: So no, we couldn't have been that young, because this. 224 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 3: Is part of the story. 225 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 4: We go to this restaurant in Century City that was 226 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 4: very popular at the time, called Yamato's. It was in 227 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 4: the what is now the Fairmont Saint Regis. 228 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 3: I guess is that what it's called, But it used 229 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 3: to be. 230 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 4: The Century Plaza adult So it was a Japanese restaurant 231 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 4: and it was the kind of restaurant where it had 232 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 4: the soji screens so that every i could have private rooms, 233 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 4: and then they would have these soji screens that would 234 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 4: close off the little rooms. 235 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 3: And there was. 236 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 4: A sunken seating with Tommy Matt so everybody sat on 237 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 4: the floor and it was very lovely. And we go 238 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 4: in and the matre D meets us at the restaurant 239 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 4: and he says, mister Arnest. 240 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 3: So nice to see you. 241 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 4: Miss Manelli has just arrived. Now he dated Liza Minelli 242 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 4: and they had just broken up. 243 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 6: Oh so if you could see me in his face, 244 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 6: like you're telling the story with the matre D kind 245 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 6: of giving the non verbal we have a problem here. 246 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 3: Who's like, what would you like me to do? Right? 247 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 5: Right? 248 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 3: So they put us in one of those private rooms 249 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 3: with the soji squeener. 250 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 4: It was a big thing that they had broken up, right, 251 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 4: big thing. So we go into this room, we order food, 252 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 4: and every time the waitress comes in and she's in 253 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 4: a kimona with an obi in the whole thing, she 254 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 4: leaves the door open because she's coming back and forth. 255 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 4: And every time that door was opened, Desi would get up. 256 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 3: And close that door. He was so afraid Liza was 257 00:14:54,480 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 3: gonna walk by or something. So there was no second 258 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 3: date because obviously there was no There was no. 259 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: Chemistry exactly, and it was like drama from exactly. For 260 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: the time you grew up here, everyone was sort of accessible. 261 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 4: Lucy Arness told me that she would, she and Desi, 262 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 4: because Lucy lived right in the flats of Beverly Hills 263 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 4: on Roxbury and Lexington, and she said that they would 264 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 4: go outside and they'd have lemonade stands and they would, 265 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 4: you know, sell cookies, and they were the kids of 266 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 4: famous people, Jimmy Stewart right across the street, right across 267 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 4: the street from them. 268 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 3: It just no. 269 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 4: She said that Desi would get in the car and 270 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 4: give people tours. Oh here's let me show you strangers people. 271 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 4: That's Lucy suh. I'll show you where everybody else live and. 272 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 3: You get in the car with them. 273 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, that's the magic of la in the seventies, 274 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: where I was a New York kid watching this on TV, 275 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: going wait a minute, I want to go there. You 276 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: you did shows Life through Company, Mash, Brady Bunch, Happy Days, 277 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: Who's the Boss Bus and Buddies. 278 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 2: Those are the ones that are I mean all classics. 279 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 6: Come on? 280 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 2: Was it not just fun? 281 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 3: It was so much fun? It was amazing. 282 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: What was like the best? 283 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: Right? Well? 284 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 4: You know I loved auditioning because you would go to 285 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 4: a studio, you'd go to an office and all these 286 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 4: photographs would be on the wall of all the shows 287 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 4: that you loved. Like the people that produced The Brady 288 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 4: Bunch also produced Gilligan's Island, so you love that. When 289 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 4: I did my episode of The Brady Bunch, Pat Conway 290 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 4: for those of you who want to look it up, 291 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 4: the episode I do. It's when Greg had to choose 292 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 4: between his sister and his girlfriend for cheerleader and he 293 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 4: was the deciding vote and shows Pat. 294 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 3: Conway by yours. 295 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 4: But the day that I was filming, the director Dick Michaels, 296 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 4: he was dating Elizabeth Montgomery who Samantha and Bewitch, So 297 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 4: she came by the set so I got to see 298 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 4: her too. Still, to this day, if I go into 299 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 4: a sound stage, that smell of it's so specific it 300 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 4: puts me right back like you could be in the seventies. 301 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Table for two. Rita has had a 302 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: very successful career in television, movies and as a producer, 303 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: but she has another passion music. A few years ago 304 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: she decided to follow her dreams, and I want to 305 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: know what inspired her latest album of duets. 306 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 2: So, Rita, you have an album out called Reata Wilson 307 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 2: Nowe Forever. So I've been duets. Duets, No, it's duets. 308 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: It's because yes, it's important, because I want to ask 309 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: you about the people you sing with, because you sing 310 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: with like really cool viva, but you also picked really 311 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: great songs over that time. 312 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 2: So what made you choose these songs? And then I 313 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 2: would would like to kind of go. 314 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: Through and like I just want to share who you're singing, Like, 315 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: I mean, these are all songs I loved growing up with. 316 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 2: So we have a very similar. 317 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 3: Vibe in fantastic music in the seventies. 318 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: Ye, So for the people like where is the love 319 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: you sing with Smokey Robinson, because you chose these artists 320 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: to perform with, Like what was like maybe a word 321 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: or something about like Keith Urban and Willie Nelson like 322 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: all these Jackson Brown, like this. 323 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 2: Is that thing. Everyone needs to download this album? 324 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 3: Go thank you well. I love the seventies. 325 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 4: My very first album was cover songs from the sixties 326 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 4: and seventies. 327 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 3: That album was called MFM. 328 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 4: And when I had done a number of albums in 329 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 4: between of original music that I wrote, because I started 330 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 4: going down to Nowville and writing with a bunch of 331 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 4: people down there, and I thought, maybe it's time to 332 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 4: revisit some cover songs again. And I started thinking what 333 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 4: would be fun to do, and this idea of doing 334 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 4: duets but of songs that haven't been done as duets 335 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 4: started to really formulate, right only whereas the Love had 336 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 4: been a duet in the seventies with ROBERTA. Flack and 337 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 4: Donnie Hathaway. So my co producer, Matt Rawlings, and I 338 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 4: he's an amazing producer. He's the one Grammy's for Willie 339 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 4: Nelson's Gershwin album and the Sinatra album. I was like, 340 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 4: he knows what I'm he knows what I'm trying to 341 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 4: go for. So we started talking and we started with 342 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 4: a huge grab bag of music, just all different kinds 343 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 4: of songs. 344 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 3: We love this, we love that, let's put this in, 345 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 3: let's put that in. 346 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 4: And then we started going through them and saying, Okay, 347 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 4: which ones would actually be like what I was hoping. 348 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 4: Conversations between two people so then that started coming up 349 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 4: with it started narrowing it down even further. And so really, 350 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 4: when I would present songs to artists that I was 351 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 4: looking to work with, I would usually give them three 352 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 4: songs and see which one they responded to the most, 353 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 4: and they usually picked the one that I would have 354 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 4: wanted them to pick. So that worked out great, and 355 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 4: it was just incredible to work with these people that 356 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 4: I so admired, like Willie Nelson. Also on the album 357 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:39,479 Speaker 4: Who we did slip Sliding Away, Paul Simon's song and 358 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 4: that conversation. That song in terms of a conversation took 359 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 4: on a completely different vibe when you think, oh, this 360 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 4: is a couple that's been together a really long time 361 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 4: and they're talking to each other about the other. And 362 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 4: I just loved interpreting it in a new way of 363 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 4: looking at it. 364 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,479 Speaker 1: I love that you're sharing it like that because it 365 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: does put a whole new sort of art to the 366 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: listening of you singing with them, because a song that 367 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: wasn't meant to be a duet, but then it sung 368 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: between So just so everyone gets an idea. So this 369 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 1: crazy love with Keith Urban super good. There's where's the 370 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: love with Smokey Robinson. There's Slip Side and Away with 371 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: Willie Nelson. There's Let It Be Me with Jackson Brown. 372 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: I mean, are we getting here? There's Massachusetts with Leslie 373 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: Odom Junior. I mean, that's beautiful. I'll be there with 374 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: Jimmy Allen without you. Vince Gill I read this to 375 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: Brian Lessay. He was like, oh my god, Songbird with 376 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: Josh Grobin, How did you choose that list? Were these 377 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,959 Speaker 1: men that all you just had a connection with that 378 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 1: you were like, you know, I want to work. 379 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 4: With I did not know Willie, but Matt did because 380 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 4: you had worked with him on the two previous albums. 381 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 4: And Willy was the first person to sign on, which 382 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 4: was fantastic. And you know, if somebody like Willy signs on, 383 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 4: then it makes the next ask the very You're not 384 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 4: very easy, but a lot easier, you know, like, oh, okay, 385 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 4: we're talking that kind of an albuml right, fine. 386 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 3: So we just reached out to people. We were kind 387 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 3: of lucky. 388 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 4: Because it was during the second year of the pandemic, 389 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 4: so still people weren't really touring, they weren't out, so 390 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 4: people were home and willing to be creative and we're like, okay, yeah. 391 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 3: We'll do it. 392 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 2: What a beautiful album. 393 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: And you know, one of the things that I love 394 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: about learning about you and learning about the music side 395 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: of you when you wanted to express yourself artistically through 396 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: your voice and your music and you thought maybe that 397 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: chapter had passed because. 398 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 2: We all feel like as we get older. 399 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: Oh you know, and you, I know you spoke with 400 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: Bruce Bringsteen who was like, hey, no, because that takes courage. 401 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 4: It was so empowering, illuminating, exciting to hear this from 402 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 4: Bruce Springsteen, who I asked once when he was talking 403 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 4: a lot about songwriting, and I was just enraptured by it. 404 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 4: And there was a pause in the conversation and I said, 405 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 4: all right, I had just started writing music, and he said, 406 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 4: I asked him this, what makes me think that I 407 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 4: can start writing now and you've been doing it all 408 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 4: your life. I'm getting a really late start, and he said, 409 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 4: because Read's creativity is time independent, and that hearing that 410 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 4: it just felt so true to me. And I had 411 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 4: never heard anybody put it to me like that. I'd 412 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 4: never heard that concept, but it got me thinking that, Yeah, 413 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 4: who's to say that you're only allowed to be creative 414 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 4: and be valued for that. 415 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 3: When you're in your twenties or you're in your early thirties. 416 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 4: Or whatever, who says that there's a clock on creativity 417 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 4: and that, oh, sorry, your time has passed. 418 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 3: And the clock has run out on you. 419 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 2: I loved hearing that. 420 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 4: Oh it's just because I believe where so many people 421 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 4: are creative, and I'm reading that Rick Rubin book right now. 422 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 3: The creative act. 423 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 4: A way of being or a way of living, and people, 424 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 4: I think when they're younger, they get different messages about what. 425 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 3: It means to be creative. 426 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 4: So you can get the message that you have no talent, 427 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 4: or you can get the message that is you can't 428 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 4: make a living being an artist. That's no, you can't 429 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 4: do that, or you have two left feet, you can't 430 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 4: be a dancer, or whatever it is. 431 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 3: I've during my touring when I. 432 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 4: Sign CDs and things for people, I would hear all 433 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 4: sorts of stories like that, and that creative impulse gets 434 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 4: shut down. 435 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 3: One of the things that Rick Rubin said in. 436 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 4: His book, which I believe is very accurate, is that 437 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 4: everybody's life is a creative act. Every morning we get 438 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 4: up and we can create the day that we want 439 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 4: to create, how we look at that day, how we 440 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 4: respond to that day, what we do for ourselves during 441 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 4: that day or for others. And I love that philosophy 442 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 4: that everybody does have a creative impulse, but for. 443 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 3: Some reason, society doesn't really. 444 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 4: Support that in a way they support other ideas. 445 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 3: Of like you've got to make a living, you got 446 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 3: to get an education, you got to know. 447 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 2: They're right, they don't support it. 448 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: And those early years specifically when people say you can 449 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: the people that are sort of shaping you lean in, 450 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: lean out, and we do. We live in a culture 451 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: that sort of values this is when you can do this, 452 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: or youth is when you can do this. 453 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 2: But you know, as we get older and it's you 454 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 2: know you're talking, did you ever. 455 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 3: Have anything that you wanted to do? 456 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 4: Like when you look back on your childhood, what did 457 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 4: you love to do and what gave you the most joy? 458 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: Yes, So I would say, looking back, and this is 459 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: so specific to the time that we grew up because 460 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: we're peers. Is as I put chicken in my mouth, 461 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 1: I'm nervous from this question. 462 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 2: I'm like, shove my mouth. 463 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 3: What was it? 464 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: It was dancing? I would love to have been there. 465 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: You shoot and been in a ballet class. 466 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 2: But boys were not not happening. 467 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: Tap dance, my sister. I went to herriciles, you know, 468 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: but that was not so okay. 469 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 3: And then you can take a dance class. 470 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 2: Now, know, like, why can't I? 471 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 3: You should do it? 472 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 2: You know I should do it. 473 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: I asked John bon Jovi, who sat with me and 474 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: at lunch, and I said, you know what a rock 475 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: store means to him? 476 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 4: And not the ones that are already established rock stars 477 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 4: as we know them. 478 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 3: You're talking about the up and coming. 479 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 2: They're a rock star today. 480 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: So I can tell you who, he said, bodies what 481 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: he felt as a rock star today. 482 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 3: I think Miley Cyrus is a rock star because she. 483 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 4: Can sing anything, she can move, She's so uninhibited, she's 484 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 4: so free. 485 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 3: I can endlessly watch her. 486 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 2: She is you can't take your eyes off her. 487 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 4: And I look at rock stars a very different thing 488 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 4: than somebody like Beyonce or Adele, who are full on stars. 489 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 3: We know that. 490 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 4: But a rock star is somebody who's got that bit 491 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 4: of an edge right in a weird way, even though 492 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 4: this is not her genre. But I think Cardi b 493 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 4: in an odd way as a rock star because there's 494 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 4: such a. 495 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 3: Rebel just do what everything he wants to do. 496 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 4: So there's something about inhabiting that rebel, right, it's presentation. 497 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's why when we looked at Jagger that night, 498 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: we were like, yeah, come. 499 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 2: On, here's this guy that just came in. 500 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 4: And I always look at their shoes like shoes that 501 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 4: they were, and he was wearing like little black tennises. 502 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 2: I love that. There's a good. 503 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 3: Question like what is a rough star wearing real life? 504 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 2: Now, would there be shoes that you'd be like, Oh, 505 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 2: I'm surprised. 506 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 3: If there was a sock with a broken star. Give 507 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 3: me pause. 508 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 2: I mean you taught me a word. 509 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 3: Oh, I love that word I learned from you. 510 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 4: Tell everyone, well, you know, everybody knows the word shoden freud, 511 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 4: that is sort of getting pleasure out of somebody's failure. 512 00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 4: But I read that there is actually another word called 513 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 4: freuden freud, which is being happy for someone's success. And 514 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 4: I always approached everything that I did that way, even 515 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 4: when I started first started acting and first started auditioning, 516 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 4: and people would say, don't ever tell anybody about your auditions. 517 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 3: Why, well, because they might take the part. 518 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 4: And I was like, that's ridiculous, Like I'm so different 519 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:26,719 Speaker 4: from that person or that person. 520 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 3: If they want me, they'll hire me. If they want her, 521 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 3: they're going to hire her. 522 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 4: So I never felt that somebody else's success diminished my 523 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 4: own or made it less available to me. So I 524 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 4: loved I can't believe everybody talks about Sean and Freud, 525 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 4: but nobody talks about Freuden. 526 00:29:46,920 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: Freud thanks for joining us on Table for two. The 527 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: Rita has been in many movies. There's a wonderful filmmaker 528 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: in particular that she really bonded with, the incredible nor Efron. 529 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: You know, there's a woman that I think I know 530 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: was an important person in your life who I was 531 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: blessed to know, nor Efron. 532 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 2: Nor clearly loved you, and she clearly knew how to 533 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 2: write for you. 534 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: Can you tell me about that relationship and the movies 535 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: you made with her and tell. 536 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 2: Us all about it. 537 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 4: Well, all my life I really longed for a mentor 538 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 4: someone who could say, for example, if I had that 539 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 4: person in music, maybe I would have started music at 540 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 4: a much younger age. But I didn't have anybody who said, 541 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 4: oh you love singing, you love performing, Oh you know 542 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 4: you can do X y Z, or they're singing classes, 543 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 4: or you can go to this community theater and get 544 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 4: in a musical or something. But I didn't have anybody 545 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 4: who directed me. My parents were immigrants, so they weren't 546 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 4: really up with, you know, what kids were doing in 547 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 4: those days. So I met Nora because Tom was doing 548 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 4: Bonfire the Vanities. It was nineteen eighty seven, and we 549 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 4: rented an apartment in the building in New York, the Apthorpe, 550 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 4: where Nora and Nick lived and Max, her son and 551 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 4: Jacob were still little, so they were living there. Right, 552 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,239 Speaker 4: the windows would be open and I would hear like 553 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 4: this guitar playing going on, you know, every day, guitar playing, 554 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 4: guitar playing, guitar playing. Well, it turns out it was 555 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 4: Max Bernstein, Nora's son, and he now is. 556 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 3: Taylor Swift's lead guitars. So just saying he did with 557 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 3: those less word right, But. 558 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 4: I didn't really become friendly with Nora until people probably 559 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 4: don't know this, but Tom was offered when Harry met Sally, 560 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 4: and he turned it down because he was going through 561 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 4: a divorce and he was very happy to be not married, 562 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 4: and so he could not understand that a person going 563 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 4: through a divorce would have anything other than he was like, 564 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 4: I'm so happy. 565 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 3: But I loved that script. So I read that script when. 566 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 4: It came in and I just flipped out and I 567 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 4: was like, God, this woman, Nora Efron, she did that movie. 568 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 3: We really like. 569 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 4: This Is My Life with Julie Kavner was about a 570 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 4: stand up comedian at the age of fifty. 571 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 3: Yes, remind me to go back to the age of 572 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 3: fifty and noura okay. 573 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 4: So I wrote Rob because I had worked with Rob 574 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 4: and I was like, this script is so fantastic. 575 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 3: I can Rob Ryder the director. I said, this is 576 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 3: just mind boggling. 577 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 4: So cut to a few years later, Tom Is offered 578 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 4: Sleepless in Seattle, and I loved that script so much 579 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 4: and it was Nora and I ran into her at 580 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 4: a party at Linda Oaps's house. Now, Carrie Fishers, I know, 581 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 4: it's all familiar. Carrie Fisher was in This Is My Life, 582 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 4: and she was in when Harry met Sally, and I 583 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 4: just loved how. 584 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 3: Norah wrote for her. 585 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 4: So I ran into her the party and I said, Norah, 586 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 4: if nobody, if you're not going to cast Carrie in 587 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 4: the role of the Best Friend, which was the Rosie 588 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 4: O'donnald part. I would love to audition for it. She 589 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 4: calls me in for an audition. It was like, Oh 590 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 4: my gosh, this is incredible. So I go in an 591 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 4: audition and I didn't get the part. They gave it 592 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 4: to Rosie. But Norah offered me the role of Susie, 593 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 4: this other character, and I was. 594 00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 3: Like, oh, yeah, that was a really good part of 595 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 3: this I. 596 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 4: Really liked that character. It's a big monologue in there. 597 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 4: So I ended up doing that monologue from about the 598 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,399 Speaker 4: movie An Affair to Remember, and that ended up being 599 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 4: one of the most fun, most wonderful acting experiences I've 600 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 4: ever had. Then soon after that, she offered me a 601 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 4: part in a movie called Mixed Nuts with Steve Martin 602 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 4: and Madeline Kahn and Richard Kine and Gary Shanley, John Stewart, 603 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 4: Isn't it Parker Posey is in it, Adam Sandler, Juliet Lewis. 604 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 3: It was incredible cast. Yeah, Leev Schreiber's first role. 605 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 4: So then we did that movie and you know, sadly 606 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 4: it wasn't successful when it came out, but now it's 607 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 4: become this weird cult favorite it's like, so it's a 608 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 4: weird movie, but it's a really good weird movie. 609 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 3: Let me go back to the fifties. Yes, no, so. 610 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 4: On my fiftieth birthday because Nora actually became like one 611 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 4: of my best friends. And she sat on my fiftieth 612 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 4: birthday as she was toasting with a glass of champagne 613 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 4: because she loved champagne. Here's to turning fifty. Great things 614 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 4: can happen to you after you turned fifty. I didn't 615 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 4: direct my first movie until I was fifty. She died 616 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 4: at seventy one. Look what she did in that twenty 617 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 4: one years. 618 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 2: Wow, it's really important to hear that. Yes, you're Utah. 619 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 2: It's just very and I mean really receiving. 620 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 4: It because there was no clock on creativity for her. 621 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,280 Speaker 4: She was a journalist, don't forget. She was a hardcore journalist. 622 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 4: And then she decided she was going to write scripts. 623 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 4: She wrote Silkwood for Crying out Loud, it's a very 624 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 4: serious movie. 625 00:35:50,800 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 5: Yeah. 626 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 4: I had an interesting conversation with a friend of mine. 627 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 4: He's a Hindu priest, and we were talking about purpose. 628 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:12,839 Speaker 3: I asked him, well, wait, how. 629 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 4: Do you how do you know what your purpose is? 630 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 4: Like you can because you know, we were having conversations. 631 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 4: I want to do this, I want to do that. 632 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 4: He goes, You know, purpose is very simple. You ask 633 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 4: yourself this question, what is it that I can still 634 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 4: do on my deathbed. 635 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 3: That will be my purpose? 636 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 4: That has nothing to do with engaging and I need 637 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 4: three people to do it or I have to have 638 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,240 Speaker 4: a certain you know, environment to do it. 639 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 3: And when he said that, I knew exactly what. 640 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 4: My purpose was, and it was it sounds so simple, 641 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 4: but to bring joy and want. I want to be 642 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 4: able to put stuff like that out into the world. 643 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,399 Speaker 3: You know, that's where my head is at. 644 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 4: That's where my I find the most satisfaction out of 645 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 4: doing stuff like that. 646 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: Well, I love that you said that because when I 647 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,439 Speaker 1: was thinking about you, joy was the word that came up. 648 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 2: And I feel that is so nice thing. No, but 649 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 2: it's the intention. 650 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: You know. 651 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 2: I do want to know about what it felt like 652 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 2: to be because I think. 653 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,320 Speaker 1: It's so great to your experience when you are playing 654 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 1: Roxy in Chicago, Like, was that a good experience to 655 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: be on Broadway? 656 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:30,800 Speaker 3: Was that a dream? 657 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 4: Is that right? 658 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,720 Speaker 3: Oh? My god? This was a norm moment. 659 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 4: Also, really yes, because I got offered to do Chicago, 660 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 4: and Nora said, well, you know, you should go into 661 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 4: town and see the show and make sure it's in 662 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 4: good shape. And what she meant was, you know, is 663 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,399 Speaker 4: it still good? You know, is it falling apart? It's 664 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 4: been on for so long, how good could it still be? 665 00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 4: So I go into town with Tom and my daughter 666 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 4: Elizabeth to see the show and at the it's fantastic, 667 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 4: It's so good. And at the intermission, I turned Tom 668 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 4: to Elizabeth and I'm like, like, there's no way I'm 669 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 4: doing this because terrifying, terrifying. I said, there's no way 670 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 4: I'm doing this or that I can do this. And 671 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 4: they looked at me like I was nuts, Like what 672 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 4: are you kidding? You are so doing this, and I'm like, nope, nope, 673 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 4: I am not Nope, You're doing it. And I was terrified, 674 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 4: but it brought me talk about connecting dots. Honestly, this 675 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 4: is why we have to be brave and do things 676 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 4: that are out of our comfort zone. My dance captain 677 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 4: Greg Butler, who is still a friend today, he taught 678 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 4: me so much about courage. He taught me so much 679 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 4: about patience, about what we do to ourselves in our heads, 680 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 4: that have nothing to do with what we actually can 681 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 4: be doing in real life and real time. And he 682 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 4: was very funny. But after the play was finished, he 683 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 4: introduced me to the woman who changed my life because 684 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 4: she was the one who said offered me the idea 685 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 4: that I could be a songwriter. And her name is 686 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 4: Kara DioGuardi and she was a songwriter and she had 687 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 4: done Chicago because she was a judge on American Idol 688 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 4: and she's fantastic right as a but. 689 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,879 Speaker 3: She was badass. Went to Duke. 690 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 4: She was a songwriter, had hit songs, was way more 691 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 4: than what she just was as a judge on Idol. 692 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 4: But she ended up doing Roxy and Greg said to me, 693 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 4: you need to meet Kara dio Guardy. I think you 694 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 4: guys are going to hit it off. So after she 695 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 4: did the play, I can't remember how long he introduced us, 696 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 4: we met and in that meeting, the first meeting, she 697 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 4: said to me, well, so what do you want to do? 698 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 3: I said, I don't know. 699 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 4: I probably would give anything if I could write a 700 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 4: song like you, but I can. 701 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,720 Speaker 3: She goes, why can't you? I was like, well, because 702 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 3: I don't write music, I don't read music. I'm not 703 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,319 Speaker 3: a musician. You know, I'm play an instrument. I don't 704 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 3: do anything. She goes, neither do it. Do you have 705 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 3: something you want to say? 706 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 4: And when she said that, I was like, literally, I 707 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 4: got like a butterflies in my stomach and kind of 708 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,399 Speaker 4: like that pit. I'm like, yeah, I totally have something 709 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 4: I want to say. She goes, I want to write 710 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 4: your songs with you first two songs, and she did, 711 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 4: and that opened the door to songwriting. 712 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 3: And if I had not done Chicago, I way not 713 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:42,919 Speaker 3: have met Kara. 714 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,839 Speaker 4: I would not have become a songwriter, and I would 715 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 4: not be here sitting here talking to you about my 716 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:55,320 Speaker 4: new album. 717 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: As we finish our lunch, I'm thinking of all the 718 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 1: great things Rita has done in her career and the 719 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 1: courage she found to start a new chapter in music. 720 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: And what comes to my mind is the theme song 721 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 1: that used to end the Carol Burnett Show in the 722 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,799 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, and it was I'm so glad we had 723 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: this time together just to have a laugh or sing 724 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 1: a song. And today I don't know about you, but 725 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 1: I've had many laughs and we've actually sang songs. So 726 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,800 Speaker 1: let's check in one more time with the incredible Rita Wilson. 727 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 4: I think being a woman, at least in the generation 728 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,360 Speaker 4: that I grew up in, was it was very easy 729 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 4: to be visibly invisible. And because I was taught, you know, 730 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 4: don't make waves. You're here to please people, make everybody 731 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 4: feel good, make everybody, you know. 732 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 3: Not feel threatened. So I think that it takes. 733 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 4: At least for me, it took a really long time 734 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 4: to sort of, I like to say, find my voice. 735 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean that literally and metaphorically. 736 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 4: And I do believe, like I said earlier, that people 737 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,840 Speaker 4: know who they are at a very young age, but 738 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 4: it gets sort of buried, yep, if you don't have 739 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:18,400 Speaker 4: the right circumstances. 740 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,239 Speaker 3: You know. I still feel that way sometimes, you know, 741 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 3: I still. 742 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 2: Feel don't go away forward, No, And it's. 743 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 4: So ingrained in your upbringing and everything. But I try 744 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 4: to be aware of it and try not to let 745 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 4: it get out of the way, you know, like to 746 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:36,719 Speaker 4: have to catch it. 747 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you catch it. And I think you said and 748 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 1: I say the same thing. It's finding your voice. And 749 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,439 Speaker 1: I think what Nora said this is also of coming back. 750 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 1: I think our conversation sort of as we end, it's 751 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: like at fifty we found out life begins. 752 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,400 Speaker 2: When do you find your voice? When? Who do you know? 753 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:55,879 Speaker 2: Who you want? 754 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 1: Because with age and wisdom, and I just want to 755 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for coming here and having lunch. 756 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 2: I want everyone to. 757 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,319 Speaker 1: Download Rita Wilson Now and Forever Duets because it really. 758 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 2: It's just a beautiful album. 759 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 3: Thank you. 760 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,320 Speaker 2: So you're a beautiful person. It's joy. 761 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 1: I hope everyone who pulled up a chair go have 762 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 1: a great day. 763 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 4: I wish everyone could have lunch with you because you 764 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 4: have the best questions. It was effortless and so much 765 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 4: fun and you are gifted at this. 766 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 3: Thank you now. The only thing we need to add 767 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,240 Speaker 3: is a couple of dance lessons. 768 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 2: Okay, let's do that, okay. Great. 769 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,240 Speaker 1: Table for two with Bruce Bosi is produced by iHeartRadio 770 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,319 Speaker 1: seven three seven Park and Airmail. Our executive producers are 771 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: Bruce Bosi and Nathan King. Table for two is researched 772 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 1: and written by Bridget arsenalt. Our sound engineers are Paul 773 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 1: Bowman and Alyssa Midcalf. Table for two is LA production 774 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,839 Speaker 1: team is Danielle Romo and Lorraine viz Our. 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