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Speaker 1: this Tuesday, Dan and The Dane's Dan Patrick Show spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time talking about Tim Tebow and or
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook's accomplishment. What year is this that we're talking about?
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow playing football again? Been nine years? Going to
Speaker 1: sign a one year deal, is going to be part
Speaker 1: of the ninety man roster. Just so everybody knows he
Speaker 1: didn't make the team, he made the roster. All that
Speaker 1: is is he made the roster to go to camp.
Speaker 1: If he makes the fifty three man roster, then we
Speaker 1: could have a real discussion here. But for everybody who's
Speaker 1: up in arms that he's taken a roster spot, did
Speaker 1: anybody get upset? The DK Metcalf got a chance to
Speaker 1: run against guys who have spent their entire lives trying
Speaker 1: to qualify for the Olympic team. Now they created an
Speaker 1: extra space for DK Metcalf to run. Nobody had a
Speaker 1: problem with that, right, Hey, this is fun? All right?
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what this is. Maybe Urban Meyer is doing
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow a favor. Here's your curtain called Tim, Come
Speaker 1: on in Let's see if you can play tight end.
Speaker 1: Do I think he can? No, I don't. I don't,
Speaker 1: But I do think that urban Meyer owes it to
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow. He may not be respecting the game and
Speaker 1: respecting the players. And you know, was he going to
Speaker 1: lose the locker room? Like the number of things that
Speaker 1: I've heard in the last twenty four hours is kind
Speaker 1: of crazy. He didn't give him a five year deal,
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't be surprised if Tim plays in practice
Speaker 1: and then he realizes he's not a tight end, and
Speaker 1: then maybe he joins urban Meyer's staff. That's it feels
Speaker 1: like last call for him. He's thirty three years of age,
Speaker 1: nine years off DK Metcalf, hadn't run tracked since high school.
Speaker 1: Once again, nobody had a problem with it. He's actually
Speaker 1: out there with some of the fastest guys in the
Speaker 1: world trying to make the Olympic team. Now, you know,
Speaker 1: by you know, most observers, he did pretty well there,
Speaker 1: like he held his own. Okay, let's just see if
Speaker 1: Tebow can do it. When somebody gets a sponsors exemption
Speaker 1: into a golf tournament, nobody's up in arms. Nobody says, oh,
Speaker 1: you're taking away a roster spot. This is Tim Tebow,
Speaker 1: and with Tim Tebow comes headlines, opinions, and right now
Speaker 1: you're getting former players tweeting he's taken a roster spot.
Speaker 1: Judging from the tight ends that they have. There are
Speaker 1: other guys who were taking roster spots on that Jacksonville team,
Speaker 1: just saying, poll question, McLevin, when do we have Okay,
Speaker 1: will Tim Tebow make the Jaguars sixty? Say no? So
Speaker 1: people are still skeptical that this will eventually happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I agree, Jeremy and Texas joins us. Hey, Jeremy,
Speaker 1: what's on your mind morning? First of all, it cost
Speaker 1: Kim Leebo. You know, he hasn't played football and that long,
Speaker 1: but he's been an athlete. He's been playing baseball, so
Speaker 1: he's not like he's not conditioned. Two is he's got
Speaker 1: the size in the field. Sounds like a Travis Kelsey,
Speaker 1: you know, he's not Oh no, no, no, no, no
Speaker 1: no no, don't do that, no no no, don't do that.
Speaker 1: Don't mention Travis Kelsey that he's he's he's not even
Speaker 1: in his neighborhood, not even in his zip code. Like
Speaker 1: he's just trying to be the third tight end. Travis
Speaker 1: Kelsey is a Hall of Famer. Yeah. See, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure about it, but I think baseball shape and football
Speaker 1: shape are different too. Yes, that fitness level I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it is now you can say, well, he's been
Speaker 1: competing and working hard. What you do for baseball is
Speaker 1: completely different than what you do for football. Yes. And actually,
Speaker 1: not to bring it back to Michael Jordan, but watching
Speaker 1: that documentary and he talked about his transition to baseball
Speaker 1: and his he said it he had a NBA body,
Speaker 1: he had to completely break it down and rebuild his
Speaker 1: body to fit baseball. Yeah. Wild, it's a great point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Polly that said, if you've seen seeing Tim Tebow and
Speaker 1: the minors of the Mets, he looked like he was
Speaker 1: in football shape, not baseball shack. He's honestly, he's bigger
Speaker 1: than he was when he played football. Yes, he's jacked, yes,
Speaker 1: which you don't need it all to play well. Sometimes
Speaker 1: when you see a guy who's jacked on the football field,
Speaker 1: he doesn't look as jack because he's got pads on
Speaker 1: and there are other guys around you that are jacked.
Speaker 1: Not many baseball. Like when Bo Jackson played baseball. You went, Wow,
Speaker 1: that's different, Tebo. You see him out in the right
Speaker 1: field and you're thinking, Anna, third and one, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give him the ball. Yeah, Polly, I think was it
Speaker 1: in Washington? We went to the All Star Game and
Speaker 1: got to CBP batting practice. Aaron Judge is tall and big.
Speaker 1: Giancarlos Stanton looks like an NFL jacked tight end. He
Speaker 1: does not look like a baseball player. There's a different
Speaker 1: Giancarlos Stanton is like Miles Garrett of the Browns, where
Speaker 1: you just go, oh my god, how do they make
Speaker 1: him that big? Eight seven seven three. D P Show
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Speaker 1: we say a load of Lloyd and Tampa, Hey Lloyd,
Speaker 1: Good morning, Dan, Good morning guys. This whole thing about Tebow,
Speaker 1: you know, taking a roster spot is the point that
Speaker 1: gets me going. Guys try year after year after year
Speaker 1: as undrafted players to make a team. You can't blame
Speaker 1: the guy for wanting to try. And if he proves
Speaker 1: that he can't block and he can't catch, and he
Speaker 1: makes the team, then it's a publicity stunt. But you
Speaker 1: could argue urban Meyer is a publicity stunt, so let
Speaker 1: him take a shot. Yeah, I look, I'm okay with it.
Speaker 1: I don't have any control over the decision that's on
Speaker 1: urban Meyer, but I just let him try out. No
Speaker 1: other team's gonna let him try out. The only thing
Speaker 1: I thought of when I saw that there was a
Speaker 1: possibility there is I wish him would have tried it
Speaker 1: nine years ago, ten years ago, just been open to it.
Speaker 1: Emergency quarterback, but you're going to use him as an
Speaker 1: h back. I wish that he would have tried, just
Speaker 1: to see if he could have. Tim wanted to continue
Speaker 1: to try to be a starting quarterback, and he got
Speaker 1: a lot of opportunities. He just not a quarterback, not
Speaker 1: an NFL quarterback. There are guys who play quarterback at
Speaker 1: a high level in college. That doesn't mean you're going
Speaker 1: to be a great pro a good pro. It just
Speaker 1: he won the Heisman. There was tebow Time. He won
Speaker 1: that incredible playoff game with the Steelers. Broncos beat the Steelers.
Speaker 1: Everybody fell in love with tebow Time. Nobody really brought
Speaker 1: up the fact that Tim's inability to play the position
Speaker 1: required tebow Time because if you play really well, then
Speaker 1: you don't have to have tebow time. How about you
Speaker 1: got a three touchdown lead going into the worth quarter
Speaker 1: as opposed to we're down four. Well, gotta make something happen.
Speaker 1: And his best trait was running, yeah pull. If you
Speaker 1: go back to Taysom Hill when he was at BYU,
Speaker 1: and he played a lot of quarterback at BYU. When
Speaker 1: he was at his pro day, he was asked by
Speaker 1: both the media and the teams, are you open to
Speaker 1: switching positions? He said, yes, I'm open to it, but
Speaker 1: the plan right now is to go forward to play quarterback.
Speaker 1: If someone wants to take me at the chance to
Speaker 1: learn a position and they're willing to go through the
Speaker 1: learning cover with me, I'm fine with that, or I'm
Speaker 1: fine with the quarterback persis. He's very open to it.
Speaker 1: He was asked a game again about it. He said,
Speaker 1: I love the game of football. I know my timeframe
Speaker 1: is short to play in this game, so I'm going
Speaker 1: to take advantage of it at any position that I'm
Speaker 1: asked to play. Look at where Taysom Hill is now. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he embraced it. But he's probably a better athlete, better
Speaker 1: suited for the NFL with his athleticism, because you're talking
Speaker 1: about a guy who could play wide receiver and as
Speaker 1: a kick returner and as a quarterback. Yea, at some
Speaker 1: point as a Jaguars fan, when do you start getting
Speaker 1: nervous about urbane decision making? Uh? Well, you couldn't screw
Speaker 1: up Trevor Lawrence. Okay, right, he has handed that one.
Speaker 1: But there's you know, like he came in and blew
Speaker 1: out the whole scouting scouts team right, the whole stat
Speaker 1: staff there, which I don't know, maybe that happens all
Speaker 1: the time, but all the time. But but he brought
Speaker 1: in the strength and conditioning coach from Iowa who was
Speaker 1: fired from Iowa, and Urban wanted to give him a
Speaker 1: second chance. Oh hey, we're signing a tight end. Awesome,
Speaker 1: who's oh Tim Tebow who doesn't get a job out
Speaker 1: of Urban Meyer? What do you gotta do to not
Speaker 1: get a game? Can I be the GM? I know
Speaker 1: football a lot about it, all right, So that's the
Speaker 1: poll question and we'll get some more phone calls on
Speaker 1: this topic coming up. Russell Westbrooks at the all time
Speaker 1: record last night triple doubles as he passes Oscar Robertson
Speaker 1: Rush now has seven career twenty plus assists, twenty plus
Speaker 1: our twenty point game games, three more than the rest
Speaker 1: of all active NBA players combine one eighty two career
Speaker 1: triple doubles. I mean, these are these are incredible stats.
Speaker 1: But that's what they are. There's stats. If I said, hey,
Speaker 1: look at the numbers of Miguel Cabrera, if I said
Speaker 1: look at Rockael pal Merrow's numbers, like you'd go, wow,
Speaker 1: those are incredible numbers. Were they great players? Did they
Speaker 1: just compile? And Matthew Stafford has big numbers. Philip rivers
Speaker 1: big numbers like we have compilers. Now this the triple
Speaker 1: double is the kig because if we didn't coin a
Speaker 1: phrase here, probably back when Magic was doing it, then
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be hey, we've got a triple double. What
Speaker 1: if you averaged forty nine and nine did an average
Speaker 1: triple double? Russ average a triple dubble? What if what
Speaker 1: if you averaged I don't know, fifteen twenty assists, nine rebounds,
Speaker 1: he did an average a triple double. Triple doubles really
Speaker 1: easy to understand. And Russ more triple doubles than everybody,
Speaker 1: the most one off triple double games. In the last
Speaker 1: thirty years. Russ has forty eight of those games where
Speaker 1: he was one off, whether it was a rebound or
Speaker 1: an assist or maybe a point. Lebron has fifty four
Speaker 1: of those. Jason Kidd had fifty seven of those games.
Speaker 1: Stat of the Day, stat of the day that past
Speaker 1: out of the day stat of the day. Here comes
Speaker 1: that one stat of the day. Here is Russell Westbrook Junior.
Speaker 1: The third on his appreciation for some of the greats
Speaker 1: of the game as a player in this league and
Speaker 1: to make it in this league, it's it's one thing.
Speaker 1: But to be in this league and consistently do great
Speaker 1: things and try to do great things, it's tough to do.
Speaker 1: And the ones before me because like Ai and Oscar Magic,
Speaker 1: like I said, the list can go on. Understanding and
Speaker 1: being grateful. Like I said the other day, I'm super
Speaker 1: grateful for especially for Oscar because he paved the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they did. Congratulations to Russell Westbrook. I don't know what
Speaker 1: it means because you're gonna have the analytics that community
Speaker 1: is going to say, well, ball dominant, not a great player,
Speaker 1: not a good shooter, compiler. I will say in defense
Speaker 1: of Russell Westbrook. If you say, hey, when I go
Speaker 1: watch somebody play, do I think they're they're giving it
Speaker 1: their all? Does it matter to them? Does it mean something?
Speaker 1: Do they care as much as it cares to me?
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook is on the short list of players that
Speaker 1: I watch and it feels like every single possession matters
Speaker 1: to them. Now he doesn't win. They had an opportunity
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma City, had Golden State down three games to one.
Speaker 1: In fairness to him, Durant didn't play well and then
Speaker 1: Durant set him out of here. I think he thought
Speaker 1: that there was a glass ceiling. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: win a championship here, James Harden, you got Russell Westbrook there,
Speaker 1: He wanted out, Do you want to play with Russell
Speaker 1: Westbrook as your point guard? Now? If you said Magic's
Speaker 1: my point guard? Yes, John Stockton, yes, Steve Nash yes,
Speaker 1: Isaiah Thomas yes. Even Steph Curry, who's ball dominant. But
Speaker 1: Steph is not like we get caught up in this
Speaker 1: point guard. I mean Oscar was a scorer. I mean
Speaker 1: like he was just a basketball player. Like we get
Speaker 1: caught up in these designations. It's like who is a
Speaker 1: point guard. Russ to me, is not really a point guard.
Speaker 1: He's just basketball player. Like, what's new Luca point guard?
Speaker 1: I guess by today's definition, he's a point guard. No,
Speaker 1: he's just a basketball player. Ball dominant guard is what
Speaker 1: he is. Scottie Pippen was a point forward. They didn't
Speaker 1: have a true point guard. I don't know these designations.
Speaker 1: Steph Curry, I mean, he's not a point guard, but
Speaker 1: I'll take him over Russell Westbrook and there have been
Speaker 1: a lot of great guards. But because of these stats,
Speaker 1: you're always going to be able to say, well, that's
Speaker 1: the triple double. That's all. He's got the most triple doubles.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that he's the second best point guard
Speaker 1: of all time. Yeah. Do you think that people classify
Speaker 1: Steph Curry's a point guard because he's not tall, he's
Speaker 1: not that tall, because he's never He's only averaged more
Speaker 1: than eight assist once in his career. He's listed in
Speaker 1: NBA Reference as PG point guard his entire career. Not
Speaker 1: one of those that switched like Tim Duncan. He switched
Speaker 1: it every year. But he plays with Clay Thompson, who's
Speaker 1: the other guard who is a shooting guard. You're a
Speaker 1: shooting yes, but that's not fair to Steph Curry because
Speaker 1: if you rank the top shooting guards of all time,
Speaker 1: he's in the mix. Well, he's the greatest shooter of
Speaker 1: all time, but he's listed as a point guard right
Speaker 1: without a mistake by staff point guard? No, because he
Speaker 1: went back one more year at Davidson to work on
Speaker 1: being a point guard. And I think he thought that
Speaker 1: that was his entry point into the NBA. Is I
Speaker 1: can only play if I'm a point guard because you're
Speaker 1: shooting guard at that time. You know he's six three,
Speaker 1: he's slight, whereas Clay. You know, Clay's got a better
Speaker 1: build as far as being that two guard. Yea, if
Speaker 1: he was considered a shooting guard, stop me when I
Speaker 1: get to where he goes all time. And this is
Speaker 1: a from a lot of different list. Michael Jordan's number one,
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant's number two. A lot of people have Dwayne
Speaker 1: Wade as a third best shooting guard of all time,
Speaker 1: kind of modern era since eighty. I never thought Dwayne
Speaker 1: was a great shooter. He was a slasher, yeah, but
Speaker 1: they haven't listed more shooting guard. He was listed as
Speaker 1: a shooting guard Okay, Well those guys aren't better than
Speaker 1: ray Allen. I mean, ray Allen's better shooter than those guys. Harden.
Speaker 1: You know, as far as like who would you want? Oh? Oh,
Speaker 1: I thought you were saying like Dwyne Wade or Steph Curry. Um,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't feel bad if my consolation prize is either
Speaker 1: one of them. Let's let's put it that way. They
Speaker 1: have James Harden, Fourth, Clyde Drexler. Fifth, Clyde Drexler. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a few different lists. Fifth on shooting guard, shooting guard,
Speaker 1: not shooter. Was he was a slasher? He went a shooter.
Speaker 1: Reggie Miller list as a shooting guard. Now Reggie is
Speaker 1: a shooter. Yeah. See, well we're having the discussion of
Speaker 1: UM shooters versus slashers. Where do scorers fit in that trifecta? Um,
Speaker 1: he's just a scorer. Well, I look at a scorer
Speaker 1: as a guy who he gets his points in a
Speaker 1: variety of ways, shoots and slashes. Well, he does everything.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a great shooter. You know that.
Speaker 1: And there are guys who somehow get points and you go,
Speaker 1: they're doing it and they're not great shooters. Russ is
Speaker 1: not a great shooter. Yeah, see yay, just saying like
Speaker 1: the Kobe's of the world, Kobe was a volume guy,
Speaker 1: like he got into a rhythm, but he had great form,
Speaker 1: like he had all the shots, but he he's a scorer.
Speaker 1: Sometimes if if you all you do is you can
Speaker 1: shoot jumpers, then you're known as a shooter, the guy
Speaker 1: who can get to the hoop slash, then you're known
Speaker 1: as a score. Yeah. Mcli. Do you think it's possible
Speaker 1: Curry when it's all said and done, ends up higher
Speaker 1: on the all time player list and Kobe, I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be real close. Uh, you gotta win a
Speaker 1: couple more titles. Yeah, I still think Curry he's gonna
Speaker 1: get a lot of top ten love. Well. Once again,
Speaker 1: it's the statistical part of this he's gonna have, so
Speaker 1: you know, he's gonna play in six hundred fewer games
Speaker 1: I think than Ray Allen and surpass him in three
Speaker 1: point shooting. So like these numbers, while they're crazy now,
Speaker 1: in ten years we might look back and go, Man,
Speaker 1: who would have thought? I thought that record was you know, unbreakable.
Speaker 1: I mean it took a long time for Oscar. That
Speaker 1: was forty seven years but Russell Westbrook did that. What's
Speaker 1: Luca don Chick gonna average for his career? He's gonna
Speaker 1: average a triple double. Pretty good start, yeah, mcclu. But
Speaker 1: he has to win, you know, like Dirk, Dirk was amazing.
Speaker 1: That hasn't want anything. Yeah, we just saw him. He's
Speaker 1: thirty six on the ESPN players. I know, but I
Speaker 1: got I got people arguing is the second greatest point
Speaker 1: guard of all time. He didn't want anything. Now, I know,
Speaker 1: you go, well, you can't put all that on him
Speaker 1: in basketball. I can put more of that on you
Speaker 1: because it's five guys football, I know, we you know,
Speaker 1: put it all in the quarterback. Either you did great
Speaker 1: or you did poor. You won or you lost the
Speaker 1: super Bowl. Basketball, if it's five guys, yes, two guys
Speaker 1: can win you a championship. There. Russ hasn't won anything.
Speaker 1: Now you can say Stockton didn't win anything, got to
Speaker 1: the finals twice. You're right. I mean he lost to Jordan,
Speaker 1: You're right. He did not win. Gary Peyton wonderful, didn't win, Okay,
Speaker 1: I get it. Oscar won one when he went and
Speaker 1: he was with Kareem and he was a different player
Speaker 1: back then when they won their title. If Jerry West
Speaker 1: had nine championship rings eight see the Greatest Player of
Speaker 1: all Time? He went. He went against the Celtics every
Speaker 1: year and lost. A team that had eight or nine
Speaker 1: Hall of Famers on the roster. He lost. If Jerry
Speaker 1: has seven titles, see the Greatest Player of all time? Right,
Speaker 1: that's where you're trying to figure out, you know, where
Speaker 1: somebody fits historically. By the way, Russ has still got
Speaker 1: quite a few years left here. He's not gonna win
Speaker 1: a title in Washington. Take years going on. If I
Speaker 1: said he's gonna win a title, then it's a hot take.
Speaker 1: You gotta understand how these hot takes work. Man. Oh yeah, Paul,
Speaker 1: I have a little career stat for you. Steph Curry
Speaker 1: and Kobe Bryant both averaged twenty five, six and five
Speaker 1: for their careers. Almost exact stats there. And if Steph
Speaker 1: Curry is going to lead the NBA and scoring this year,
Speaker 1: both will have led the NBA's oring twice in their careers.
Speaker 1: Their stat line is almost exactly. I can't put Steph
Speaker 1: over Kobe. I can't. He's got time, but I can't
Speaker 1: do that. I find him fascinating, just like I did Kobe.
Speaker 1: It felt like Kobe. Yeah. See, you know you get
Speaker 1: into these discussions, then you disparage somebody. I don't want
Speaker 1: to do that. Kobe is higher on the list than
Speaker 1: Stuff is at thirty two years old. Kobe Bryant average
Speaker 1: twenty five and a half a game. Steph Curry's averaging
Speaker 1: thirty two a games. Yeah, the NBA is different, very different.
Speaker 1: Three points are completely every Like a team scores one
Speaker 1: hundred and forty points, nobody blinks. Remember it used to
Speaker 1: be first team to one hundred would get a win.
Speaker 1: Now it's like, hey, would you you guys scored one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty? Yeah we lost, We lost by eight.
Speaker 1: Team like that. It's just there's no defense. Nobody cares
Speaker 1: about the regular season, and I think the numbers show
Speaker 1: that it's almost It has a very free flowing backyard
Speaker 1: field to it. Until we get to the postseason. Let's
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Speaker 1: had Tim Kirchin on, I would guess twenty sixteen with
Speaker 1: the Cubs. Why has he been avoiding tray? That's way
Speaker 1: too long? Why is he avoiding us? Could be on us.
Speaker 1: Let's bring in Tim Kirk Tim Kirchin ESPN. Hi, Timmy,
Speaker 1: how are you good? Dad? I have not been avoiding you.
Speaker 1: I do that. I used to be on your show
Speaker 1: every Friday. It was great. Yeah, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna blame Fritzie for that. Fritzie, why haven't you had
Speaker 1: Tim Kirchina. It is a major oversight. I love Timmy
Speaker 1: and I have no excuse for that. But at all,
Speaker 1: Fritzie's always going, let's get for Ducci on and I
Speaker 1: go in Rosenthal. I said, wow, what about Kirchin? I
Speaker 1: did say Buster can't do it today? So what about?
Speaker 1: We were okay with it. It's great to have you on, Tim,
Speaker 1: great to talk to you again. And uh, you know
Speaker 1: we were talking about this with the strikeouts when we
Speaker 1: were growing up. If you struck out one hundred times
Speaker 1: as a hitter. That was embarrassing. Now it's okay. At
Speaker 1: what point did it did we change where it's okay
Speaker 1: to strike out in baseball? For me, Dan, it came
Speaker 1: in the mid eighties when Bo Jackson, Jim Presley, Robbed
Speaker 1: Dear Pete, and Kabelia. They all came to the big
Speaker 1: leagues at the same time, big strong guys swung as
Speaker 1: hard as they could. At twenty five thirty homers a year,
Speaker 1: struck out one hundred and fifty times, and ever since
Speaker 1: then it has been o K to K. That's about
Speaker 1: thirty five years, but the last five to ten years
Speaker 1: this is completely out of control. Now a thousand and
Speaker 1: ninety two more strikeouts in April than there were hits.
Speaker 1: It is ridiculous. You talk about one hundred strikeout guys. Dan.
Speaker 1: From nineteen hundred to nineteen sixty three combined, there were
Speaker 1: ninety four individual players who struck out one hundred times,
Speaker 1: and now every year we have one hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: guys or so who strike out one hundred times or more.
Speaker 1: It's amazing what we're watching these days, and it's mostly
Speaker 1: because the stuff these guys see on a nightly basis
Speaker 1: is ridiculously good. The velocity is so far off the charts,
Speaker 1: and yet it's the secondary stuff that's even better than
Speaker 1: the velocity. And it comes down to this. When Jacob deGrom,
Speaker 1: Max Scherzer, Garrett Cole are d and they're locating, our
Speaker 1: hitters have no chance against them. They don't just make
Speaker 1: an out, they strike out. It's remarkable what we're watching
Speaker 1: every night now. But also, and I know it's I'm
Speaker 1: the get off my line guy, but put the ball
Speaker 1: in play, like put put your bat on the ball,
Speaker 1: and you don't see that. And this is what I
Speaker 1: miss with baseball. It's it's subtle, but it is the
Speaker 1: hit and run, a stolen base, hitting it the other way,
Speaker 1: Oh there's a shift on. Oh my gosh, how about
Speaker 1: you just hit it where there's nobody over there? So
Speaker 1: I can you see somebody embracing what Whitey Herzog had
Speaker 1: with the Cardinals, where it's going to be speed and
Speaker 1: defense and running like something that's counterintuitive to what we have.
Speaker 1: Will we have a team that does that? No, Dan,
Speaker 1: we won't. That Cardinal team was built for doing that.
Speaker 1: They played on AstroTurf, They had a bunch of really
Speaker 1: fast guys. They beat the ball into the ground and
Speaker 1: ran everybody. We don't play that game anymore, Dan, I
Speaker 1: did the game last night, Rav Eduardo president I and
Speaker 1: we had two bunts for a hit, and we had
Speaker 1: two sacrifice bunts last night, and one was a squeeze
Speaker 1: and I almost started. I was so happy to see that,
Speaker 1: because we don't play that game anymore. I mean, look
Speaker 1: a look at the Yankees. I'm doing the Yankee game
Speaker 1: tonight with Ravvie and Eduardo. The Yankees don't have a
Speaker 1: triple yet. They have seven stolen bases all season, which
Speaker 1: is a lot for them, but it's the fuse in
Speaker 1: the league, and they average about one double per game.
Speaker 1: This is where we are. If you don't hit the
Speaker 1: ball out of the ballpark, as most teams do, you
Speaker 1: simply don't win these days. And I desperately miss growing
Speaker 1: up at a time where Rod Carew would dump a
Speaker 1: bunt and get a hit, Brett Butler would drag one
Speaker 1: to the right side and get a hit. And we
Speaker 1: don't have that anymore. And I miss it because I
Speaker 1: think those are the most skillful, exciting parts of the game,
Speaker 1: and I think we're all a little bit tired of
Speaker 1: just watching guys hit it as far as they can
Speaker 1: and strike it out three times in between. I was
Speaker 1: also wondering about the pitching stats here. We've had four
Speaker 1: no hitters already this season. If it's a swing and
Speaker 1: miss league and nobody's putting the ball in play, then
Speaker 1: we're probably going to break the single season no hit record,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess, or we should be flirting with it
Speaker 1: right well, eight is the record that was done in
Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds. But Dan, you're right, we have lost
Speaker 1: the value of the hit in the game today. We're
Speaker 1: no longer interested, nor are our hitters being taught to
Speaker 1: hit a hard groundball through that hole over there. They're
Speaker 1: not interested in getting a single. Last year, Dan, the
Speaker 1: Reds who made the playoffs had more walks than singles.
Speaker 1: It's the first time in history any teams finished with
Speaker 1: more walks than singles. That's where we are now. But
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to defend our hitters because I'm
Speaker 1: with you on this. Can we please just put it
Speaker 1: in play? Can we please beat the shift over there?
Speaker 1: But our guys have been swinging the same way for
Speaker 1: fifteen years. They have one swing and it's beautiful and
Speaker 1: if you run into that bad path, it's not a
Speaker 1: liner to left, it's a home run. To ask these
Speaker 1: guys who have been hitting the same way for fifteen years, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna make a big change tonight. We want you
Speaker 1: to choke up and hit it to right field, and
Speaker 1: we want you to do it against Max Scherzer tonight.
Speaker 1: Good luck with that. It's like telling a basketball player,
Speaker 1: you know, the way you've been shooting for all these years,
Speaker 1: we want you to change the shooting motion tonight, and
Speaker 1: we want you to not follow the flight of the ball.
Speaker 1: A lot of guys still do that. That's a hard
Speaker 1: thing to do. So I think to ask a hitter, hey,
Speaker 1: we want you to make a change, and we want
Speaker 1: you to go out and get a hit off of
Speaker 1: Justin Bieber, well, good luck with that. So that's the
Speaker 1: concern is this is a This is going to take
Speaker 1: years to make the change, and we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: literally go to batting cages where ten year olds are
Speaker 1: hitting and tell them, all right, this is what we
Speaker 1: want you to do. We want you to hit it
Speaker 1: over there, and we don't want you to try to
Speaker 1: get it up in the air every single time. You
Speaker 1: just called Shane Bieber Justin Bieber. I did not, did
Speaker 1: I really? And I wouldn't know Justin Bieber if I
Speaker 1: fell over. Oh god, I'm sorry, what happened to you?
Speaker 1: This is why we don't have Tim Kirchin on Todd
Speaker 1: Justin Bieber. What is that all about it? I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: that's terrible. You know what, We'll take it out of
Speaker 1: the rear, Okay, So don't don't worry about that. We'll
Speaker 1: clean it up. Well, I don't know anything about music,
Speaker 1: and I just found out the other day that Chris
Speaker 1: Martin is the lead singer in cold Play. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: know one of their songs, and they hit me over
Speaker 1: the head either. So anything that is pop culture wise,
Speaker 1: just leave me out. What's the last concert you attended? Well,
Speaker 1: I've only been to three in my whole life, and
Speaker 1: I'm sixty four years old. I went to see Dan
Speaker 1: Fogelberg in college on a date that was a disaster.
Speaker 1: By the way, then, wait, why was it a disaster? Well,
Speaker 1: me and a woman in college. I had no idea
Speaker 1: what to do. That's why it was a disaster. And
Speaker 1: by the way, that still goes today. So you were
Speaker 1: striking out at the rate of today's baseball players, way
Speaker 1: worse than today's right. Yes, I didn't even try at
Speaker 1: you didn't have a launch angle, did you, right? And
Speaker 1: then my daughter, my daughter in the eighth grade, we
Speaker 1: went to see Yellow Card, which I kept getting mixed up.
Speaker 1: I kept calling him a Green Card because I get
Speaker 1: I miss them up with Green Day or something, and
Speaker 1: stupid me, having been to one concert in my life,
Speaker 1: I was told concert starts at seven thirty. So I
Speaker 1: have five eighth grade girls in my car, and I think,
Speaker 1: all right, concert starts at seven thirty, will be done
Speaker 1: by nine ten. It'll be great. They had like four
Speaker 1: bands play before Yellow Card or Green Card or whatever
Speaker 1: they were called, and they went on at ten thirty.
Speaker 1: We got home at like one thirty in the morning
Speaker 1: on a school night. The women were like ready to
Speaker 1: kill me. It was so bad. And then I saw
Speaker 1: Kenny Chesney at Syracuse when we dropped our daughter off
Speaker 1: for college about ten years ago. So I'm sixty four
Speaker 1: and I've been to three concerts in my life, and
Speaker 1: I just found out the other day Molly Hatchett is
Speaker 1: not a woman. So someone should have told me that
Speaker 1: before this, how are the Dodgers? Do you start when
Speaker 1: you start to worry if you're a Dodger fan, here, Tim, Well,
Speaker 1: they've lost fifteen out of twenty, and during that stretch
Speaker 1: only the Tigers have played worse than the Dodgers. Who
Speaker 1: knew this is the ultimate beauty of the game, Dan,
Speaker 1: The Warriors in their great days never never had a
Speaker 1: five and fifteen stretch where you wondered, are they okay?
Speaker 1: The Dodgers are gonna be fine. They got a bunch
Speaker 1: of injuries, they haven't hit in two weeks. It's gonna change.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be the best team in baseball by the
Speaker 1: end of the year. But it just shows you when
Speaker 1: people asked me when the season started, well, the Dodgers
Speaker 1: win one hundred and seventeen games this year, I said, no,
Speaker 1: it's too hard to do that in today's game. So
Speaker 1: this is a bad rough patch for them. They'll get
Speaker 1: out of it. They'll be great before long. Do you
Speaker 1: still play basketball? Yeah? I played the other This was
Speaker 1: so bad. I was at a gym and I was
Speaker 1: just shooting by myself, and these two kids came up
Speaker 1: to me, and there was another like old guy in there,
Speaker 1: shooting at another The two kids, probably ten years old, said,
Speaker 1: do you guys want to play two on two? So
Speaker 1: I assumed the two old guys would pair up and
Speaker 1: we'd have a little you know, a young guy and
Speaker 1: an old guy. Instead, the two little guys wanted to
Speaker 1: play the two old guys two on two. So that
Speaker 1: was the last time that I played. And I took
Speaker 1: that ten year old to the rack to believe me,
Speaker 1: which I was pretty proud of because he was bigger
Speaker 1: than I was. So now you used to play hoops
Speaker 1: with cal Ripkin? All right? Yess how good was rip
Speaker 1: You know? Amazing Dan? He never played in high school
Speaker 1: and he became a great basketball player. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: so big and so strong around the rim. You just
Speaker 1: cannot move him with those giant legs in the lane.
Speaker 1: So if I made this is terrible. I should never
Speaker 1: say this. He asked me once, He said, show me
Speaker 1: how to do that move that you do, okay, and
Speaker 1: it's a little guy move that If I can't make
Speaker 1: that play, I can't play anywhere, all right. So I
Speaker 1: show it to him. And it took me like a
Speaker 1: year to perfect that move for me. So I showed
Speaker 1: it to him and then we played like three days
Speaker 1: later and he's using that move in the game. Three days.
Speaker 1: It took him, but you know what he did. You
Speaker 1: know what he did. He practiced that. He went into
Speaker 1: the gym by himself and worked on this little shake
Speaker 1: with his left hand and then crossed to his right
Speaker 1: the move I showed him. He had it in three days.
Speaker 1: It took me. It took me a year. It in
Speaker 1: three days. That's how great an athlete he is. See,
Speaker 1: this is why we have Tim Kirchin on. I love
Speaker 1: Tim Kirchin. I don't understand how this happened way too long.
Speaker 1: Verducci doesn't have stories like this. You're right, that was
Speaker 1: That's my bad. I got confused. Now Rosenthal does, but
Speaker 1: Verducci does not has a bad phone line anywhere. We
Speaker 1: have a story. Yes, Tim, it's great to talk to
Speaker 1: you about you always. You put a smile on my face.
Speaker 1: I know you love the game. I'd like to love
Speaker 1: the game more. Let's put it that way. And they
Speaker 1: make it hard sometimes. Yeah, well we're getting back to it, Dan,
Speaker 1: don't worry, but thanks for having me on today. It's
Speaker 1: really nice to see it. Great to see you, Timmy.
Speaker 1: That's Tim Kirchin, Tim Kirchin ESPN, and he's got the
Speaker 1: game tonight, the Yankees and the Rays prepping for tonight's game.
Speaker 1: He crushed. Tim's one of those guys, and like you
Speaker 1: take him for granted because I was there five days
Speaker 1: a week, sometimes six days a week at the Mothership
Speaker 1: and you would just see him always in good mood,
Speaker 1: always and always had something positive to say about the game.
Speaker 1: And I mentioned Kenny Maine. When we come back, I
Speaker 1: just want to pay tribute to Kenny Maine. ESPN. Let
Speaker 1: him go after twenty seven years. We will get to
Speaker 1: more of your phone calls as well. We'll take a
Speaker 1: break here. We're back after this Dan Patrick Show. Thanks
Speaker 1: for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure
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Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get
Speaker 1: your podcasts, get your phone calls coming up. ESPN let
Speaker 1: Kenny Main go after twenty seven years, and that announcement
Speaker 1: came out yesterday. I got a chance to anchor with
Speaker 1: Kenny for a few years. In fact, he came in
Speaker 1: after Keith Oberman left and Kenny was my tag team
Speaker 1: partner at the eleven o'clock Sports Center. He's just a
Speaker 1: great soul and I enjoyed being around him. He loved
Speaker 1: to laugh and very creative. Funny had a style that
Speaker 1: was unique and I don't know how many sports centers
Speaker 1: he was doing. But Kenny, You'll be fine knowing Kenny.
Speaker 1: He'll he always seems to find the sunshine. Yeah, Paul,
Speaker 1: I remember really specifically when when Keith left and you
Speaker 1: were paired with Kenny. That was a big big deal
Speaker 1: to us the consumer of ESPN, because there's a lot
Speaker 1: of pressure on a guy like that to work well
Speaker 1: with you, because the bar was so high with Keith leaving,
Speaker 1: and he was really fun right off the bat, like
Speaker 1: he didn't shy away or seem scared. He jumped right in.
Speaker 1: Was you guys? Had a good back and forth? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And there was a lot of pressure then because he
Speaker 1: was nothing like Overman in his style, his approach. They
Speaker 1: were two different people. And I remember that I think
Speaker 1: a lot of rich Eisen brought it up to me yesterday.
Speaker 1: He said, who made that call for Kenny to replace Keith?
Speaker 1: And I remember I was on a camping trip with
Speaker 1: my son. He was in the Boy Scouts or Cub Scouts,
Speaker 1: and I didn't have phone service. Like, I wasn't involved
Speaker 1: in that decision, believe it or not. Nothing, but I
Speaker 1: internally people were saying, you know, hey, who are you
Speaker 1: going to pick? And I kept saying, I'm not making
Speaker 1: this pick because I didn't want to pick somebody and
Speaker 1: then have management not like who I picked, you know,
Speaker 1: because they do these focus groups and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: And I just said, who do you want to see
Speaker 1: at eleven o'clock every night? You guys decide because I
Speaker 1: wasn't going to do it. And Kenny came in, and
Speaker 1: Kenny was just so I work with Bob Lee and
Speaker 1: I had to kind of figure out how Bob and
Speaker 1: I were going to do this. Then I worked with Keith.
Speaker 1: We had to figure that out together. Kenny was the
Speaker 1: same way. You kind of have to figure out each
Speaker 1: other because there is some rhythm, you know, synchronicity in
Speaker 1: doing it, and you're there every You're with them more
Speaker 1: than you are anybody else in your life. You're there
Speaker 1: nine ten hours a day and that person you're doing
Speaker 1: live TV, and you know, how do you help them?
Speaker 1: How do they help you? Having that chemistry and you
Speaker 1: know there's magic to it. Believe it or not, you
Speaker 1: can try, You can try your damnedest. That doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that it works. Oberman and I never ever discussed our
Speaker 1: relationship what we do on the air, never never talked
Speaker 1: about what we were writing, never talked about how we
Speaker 1: were going to deliver something. Did you go into show
Speaker 1: was not knowing the other guys writing in bits or
Speaker 1: tone or any direction? Yeah? Nothing, nothing. Now, I didn't
Speaker 1: want to know because I wanted to react naturally and
Speaker 1: I wanted him to react naturally. And you know, we
Speaker 1: were able to make that work. Bob Lee was a
Speaker 1: great partner too. He really taught me how to do
Speaker 1: Sports Center, to be a journalist on Sports Center. Keith
Speaker 1: taught me about entertainment. Kenny taught me about Senci humor,
Speaker 1: you know, just how to use it subtlety. And Kenny
Speaker 1: had an unbelievable arm. He was like a third string
Speaker 1: quarterback at UNLV when Randall Cunningham was there. Kenny had
Speaker 1: an absolute gun, unbelievable arm, unbelievable arm. Crazy, yeah, Paul, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kenny Mayne. He actually played a little bit at UNLV.
Speaker 1: He threw three touchdowns in two years. He had like
Speaker 1: six thirty seven yards he played, and I think he
Speaker 1: got a try out with he tore his ankle or
Speaker 1: something like that, but I think you got to try
Speaker 1: it with your Bengals. And then he went into journalism.
Speaker 1: He was making garbage cans. He was making garbage cans,
Speaker 1: I think in Seattle, and he sent a note to
Speaker 1: my boss basically saying, hey, check the box here. Do
Speaker 1: you want to hire me? Oh my gosh, you can't
Speaker 1: pass this up to now. You better stay with what
Speaker 1: you're doing. And then another option was maybe try something
Speaker 1: else for you know, your future, and he got the
Speaker 1: job from John Walsh. All right, a couple of phone
Speaker 1: calls here, we've been talking about Tim Tebow quite a bit,
Speaker 1: Marco and Tim Pee. Hey, Marco, what's on your mind? DP,
Speaker 1: DP dan F Dan Nation chat row every one, Good morning. No,
Speaker 1: I just I agree with you guys, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I agree with Paulie because look at Julian Edelman. He
Speaker 1: would he adapted, he asked, he did whatever would ask
Speaker 1: of him. And when you when you get an opportunity
Speaker 1: with Belichick, you would You would think Tim would have
Speaker 1: humbled himself and said, you know, I just want to
Speaker 1: play with Tom Brady, why not be a tight end.
Speaker 1: But I think he went with Tim Ego instead of
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow. Oh okay, all right, thank you Marko. Yes,
Speaker 1: this had a little bit. You know, he did play
Speaker 1: special teams in New York. The problem was he wasn't
Speaker 1: great at it. He would have he would have he
Speaker 1: already humbled himself to be like a guyer. I think
Speaker 1: Austin in South Carolina he wasn't fast enough to be
Speaker 1: a gunner. Austin in South Carolina. Yeah, you got touched
Speaker 1: on this a second ago. But um, when I hear
Speaker 1: a guy trying to make a roster spot. They're trying
Speaker 1: to get on the team, meaning special teams. Um up back, um,
Speaker 1: hell hands team? Maybe. I mean it's you're and I
Speaker 1: think this could have been a lot cooler. I mean,
Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but he would have been
Speaker 1: a guy on the roster for COVID emergencies and whatnot,
Speaker 1: a quarterback like a Denver Bronco situation for example. Um
Speaker 1: but um, I think that to Taysom Hill and he's
Speaker 1: trying to make the rob he's going to go at
Speaker 1: the tight end. But obviously it can be scouted at
Speaker 1: a bunch of other special teams, utility positions and whatnot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe that Urban can use him elsewhere. Thank you, Austin.
Speaker 1: Here's one thing to keep an eye on. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if you'll get people on the record, players
Speaker 1: on the record. This is in college football. This isn't gimmicky.
Speaker 1: The players who will be in the Jacksonville Jaguars camp
Speaker 1: will look at this carefully because they want to make
Speaker 1: sure Tim Tebow is earning that roster spot. Internally, this
Speaker 1: will be this will be discussed. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's an issue. Maybe he's going to be great for
Speaker 1: the locker room, but players will keep an eye on this.
Speaker 1: Urban wants to have the attention of that locker room.
Speaker 1: You want everybody on the same page. You want that
Speaker 1: credibility that you've earned. These young guys they don't care
Speaker 1: about Tim Tebow. If he can help them win, that's
Speaker 1: one thing. But if he does take a rosters, then
Speaker 1: you'll start to hear something internally. Until then, the ninety
Speaker 1: man roster not a big deal, at least not yet.
Speaker 1: More phone calls coming up, Seaton, Paul fritzchie mclovin, yours
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