WEBVTT - 05/11/21 DPS Hour 2 Tim Kurkjian 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:03.520 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:06.920 Sports Radio. Welcome to the program. It's our two. On 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:10.119 this Tuesday, Dan and The Dane's Dan Patrick Show spent 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:13.079 a lot of time talking about Tim Tebow and or 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:17.200 Russell Westbrook's accomplishment. What year is this that we're talking about? 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:21.560 Tim Tebow playing football again? Been nine years? Going to 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:23.840 sign a one year deal, is going to be part 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:27.280 of the ninety man roster. Just so everybody knows he 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:31.040 didn't make the team, he made the roster. All that 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:33.920 is is he made the roster to go to camp. 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:36.720 If he makes the fifty three man roster, then we 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:40.640 could have a real discussion here. But for everybody who's 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:43.320 up in arms that he's taken a roster spot, did 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.159 anybody get upset? The DK Metcalf got a chance to 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:50.200 run against guys who have spent their entire lives trying 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:53.840 to qualify for the Olympic team. Now they created an 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:56.640 extra space for DK Metcalf to run. Nobody had a 0:00:56.640 --> 0:01:00.760 problem with that, right, Hey, this is fun? All right? 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:03.960 Maybe that's what this is. Maybe Urban Meyer is doing 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:07.800 Tim Tebow a favor. Here's your curtain called Tim, Come 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:09.600 on in Let's see if you can play tight end. 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:13.480 Do I think he can? No, I don't. I don't, 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:18.560 But I do think that urban Meyer owes it to 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:23.720 Tim Tebow. He may not be respecting the game and 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:26.120 respecting the players. And you know, was he going to 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:28.160 lose the locker room? Like the number of things that 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:30.480 I've heard in the last twenty four hours is kind 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:33.959 of crazy. He didn't give him a five year deal, 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:38.759 And I wouldn't be surprised if Tim plays in practice 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:41.880 and then he realizes he's not a tight end, and 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:45.839 then maybe he joins urban Meyer's staff. That's it feels 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:48.400 like last call for him. He's thirty three years of age, 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:56.160 nine years off DK Metcalf, hadn't run tracked since high school. 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.520 Once again, nobody had a problem with it. He's actually 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:03.160 out there with some of the fastest guys in the 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:08.880 world trying to make the Olympic team. Now, you know, 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:12.480 by you know, most observers, he did pretty well there, 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.720 like he held his own. Okay, let's just see if 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:19.280 Tebow can do it. When somebody gets a sponsors exemption 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:23.920 into a golf tournament, nobody's up in arms. Nobody says, oh, 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:27.560 you're taking away a roster spot. This is Tim Tebow, 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:33.840 and with Tim Tebow comes headlines, opinions, and right now 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:39.440 you're getting former players tweeting he's taken a roster spot. 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:43.000 Judging from the tight ends that they have. There are 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:46.560 other guys who were taking roster spots on that Jacksonville team, 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:51.000 just saying, poll question, McLevin, when do we have Okay, 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.800 will Tim Tebow make the Jaguars sixty? Say no? So 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:58.080 people are still skeptical that this will eventually happen. Yeah, 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:01.359 and I agree, Jeremy and Texas joins us. Hey, Jeremy, 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:05.839 what's on your mind morning? First of all, it cost 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:10.440 Kim Leebo. You know, he hasn't played football and that long, 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:12.760 but he's been an athlete. He's been playing baseball, so 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:15.799 he's not like he's not conditioned. Two is he's got 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:18.720 the size in the field. Sounds like a Travis Kelsey, 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:21.400 you know, he's not Oh no, no, no, no, no 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.880 no no, don't do that, no no no, don't do that. 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:27.840 Don't mention Travis Kelsey that he's he's he's not even 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.200 in his neighborhood, not even in his zip code. Like 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:34.480 he's just trying to be the third tight end. Travis 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:38.200 Kelsey is a Hall of Famer. Yeah. See, I'm not 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.720 sure about it, but I think baseball shape and football 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.480 shape are different too. Yes, that fitness level I don't know, 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:46.160 but it is now you can say, well, he's been 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:50.200 competing and working hard. What you do for baseball is 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:53.120 completely different than what you do for football. Yes. And actually, 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.120 not to bring it back to Michael Jordan, but watching 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:58.080 that documentary and he talked about his transition to baseball 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:00.960 and his he said it he had a NBA body, 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:03.120 he had to completely break it down and rebuild his 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:06.360 body to fit baseball. Yeah. Wild, it's a great point. Yeah, 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:08.600 Polly that said, if you've seen seeing Tim Tebow and 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:10.040 the minors of the Mets, he looked like he was 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:13.480 in football shape, not baseball shack. He's honestly, he's bigger 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:16.120 than he was when he played football. Yes, he's jacked, yes, 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:18.360 which you don't need it all to play well. Sometimes 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.119 when you see a guy who's jacked on the football field, 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.599 he doesn't look as jack because he's got pads on 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:25.480 and there are other guys around you that are jacked. 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:29.320 Not many baseball. Like when Bo Jackson played baseball. You went, Wow, 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.840 that's different, Tebo. You see him out in the right 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.520 field and you're thinking, Anna, third and one, I'm gonna 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:37.680 give him the ball. Yeah, Polly, I think was it 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:39.680 in Washington? We went to the All Star Game and 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:43.520 got to CBP batting practice. Aaron Judge is tall and big. 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:47.279 Giancarlos Stanton looks like an NFL jacked tight end. He 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.200 does not look like a baseball player. There's a different 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:52.360 Giancarlos Stanton is like Miles Garrett of the Browns, where 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.880 you just go, oh my god, how do they make 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:58.560 him that big? Eight seven seven three. D P Show 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:02.320 email ADRESSDPA, Dan Patrick dot com, Twitter handle at dp 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.039 show Segod morning to our radio and TV partners, and 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.680 we say a load of Lloyd and Tampa, Hey Lloyd, 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:14.239 Good morning, Dan, Good morning guys. This whole thing about Tebow, 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:16.719 you know, taking a roster spot is the point that 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:21.320 gets me going. Guys try year after year after year 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:25.479 as undrafted players to make a team. You can't blame 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.440 the guy for wanting to try. And if he proves 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.200 that he can't block and he can't catch, and he 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:34.840 makes the team, then it's a publicity stunt. But you 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:38.800 could argue urban Meyer is a publicity stunt, so let 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:43.880 him take a shot. Yeah, I look, I'm okay with it. 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.880 I don't have any control over the decision that's on 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:53.919 urban Meyer, but I just let him try out. No 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:55.840 other team's gonna let him try out. The only thing 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:58.080 I thought of when I saw that there was a 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.880 possibility there is I wish him would have tried it 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:07.400 nine years ago, ten years ago, just been open to it. 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:11.240 Emergency quarterback, but you're going to use him as an 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:14.520 h back. I wish that he would have tried, just 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:18.400 to see if he could have. Tim wanted to continue 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:20.160 to try to be a starting quarterback, and he got 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:24.760 a lot of opportunities. He just not a quarterback, not 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:28.400 an NFL quarterback. There are guys who play quarterback at 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:30.400 a high level in college. That doesn't mean you're going 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:34.320 to be a great pro a good pro. It just 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:37.720 he won the Heisman. There was tebow Time. He won 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:42.760 that incredible playoff game with the Steelers. Broncos beat the Steelers. 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.760 Everybody fell in love with tebow Time. Nobody really brought 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:50.200 up the fact that Tim's inability to play the position 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:55.560 required tebow Time because if you play really well, then 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.120 you don't have to have tebow time. How about you 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.440 got a three touchdown lead going into the worth quarter 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:05.200 as opposed to we're down four. Well, gotta make something happen. 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:10.840 And his best trait was running, yeah pull. If you 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:12.640 go back to Taysom Hill when he was at BYU, 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:14.920 and he played a lot of quarterback at BYU. When 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:16.560 he was at his pro day, he was asked by 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:18.320 both the media and the teams, are you open to 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:20.200 switching positions? He said, yes, I'm open to it, but 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.400 the plan right now is to go forward to play quarterback. 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:24.440 If someone wants to take me at the chance to 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:26.120 learn a position and they're willing to go through the 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:27.760 learning cover with me, I'm fine with that, or I'm 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:29.720 fine with the quarterback persis. He's very open to it. 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:31.840 He was asked a game again about it. He said, 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:33.760 I love the game of football. I know my timeframe 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:35.400 is short to play in this game, so I'm going 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:37.080 to take advantage of it at any position that I'm 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:40.600 asked to play. Look at where Taysom Hill is now. Yeah, yeah, 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:46.040 he embraced it. But he's probably a better athlete, better 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:49.640 suited for the NFL with his athleticism, because you're talking 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:51.760 about a guy who could play wide receiver and as 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:56.560 a kick returner and as a quarterback. Yea, at some 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:58.880 point as a Jaguars fan, when do you start getting 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:05.560 nervous about urbane decision making? Uh? Well, you couldn't screw 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:08.320 up Trevor Lawrence. Okay, right, he has handed that one. 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.600 But there's you know, like he came in and blew 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:14.120 out the whole scouting scouts team right, the whole stat 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:16.280 staff there, which I don't know, maybe that happens all 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:19.240 the time, but all the time. But but he brought 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:22.960 in the strength and conditioning coach from Iowa who was 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.520 fired from Iowa, and Urban wanted to give him a 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.920 second chance. Oh hey, we're signing a tight end. Awesome, 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:33.200 who's oh Tim Tebow who doesn't get a job out 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:34.600 of Urban Meyer? What do you gotta do to not 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.520 get a game? Can I be the GM? I know 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:41.720 football a lot about it, all right, So that's the 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.080 poll question and we'll get some more phone calls on 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:47.959 this topic coming up. Russell Westbrooks at the all time 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:52.559 record last night triple doubles as he passes Oscar Robertson 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:58.200 Rush now has seven career twenty plus assists, twenty plus 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:01.560 our twenty point game games, three more than the rest 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:06.040 of all active NBA players combine one eighty two career 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:11.480 triple doubles. I mean, these are these are incredible stats. 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:16.240 But that's what they are. There's stats. If I said, hey, 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:21.200 look at the numbers of Miguel Cabrera, if I said 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:26.439 look at Rockael pal Merrow's numbers, like you'd go, wow, 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:31.400 those are incredible numbers. Were they great players? Did they 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:37.920 just compile? And Matthew Stafford has big numbers. Philip rivers 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:42.200 big numbers like we have compilers. Now this the triple 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:46.360 double is the kig because if we didn't coin a 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:50.679 phrase here, probably back when Magic was doing it, then 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:54.920 it wouldn't be hey, we've got a triple double. What 0:09:55.000 --> 0:10:00.440 if you averaged forty nine and nine did an average 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:06.640 triple double? Russ average a triple dubble? What if what 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:12.800 if you averaged I don't know, fifteen twenty assists, nine rebounds, 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:17.240 he did an average a triple double. Triple doubles really 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:24.839 easy to understand. And Russ more triple doubles than everybody, 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:28.800 the most one off triple double games. In the last 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:33.400 thirty years. Russ has forty eight of those games where 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:35.679 he was one off, whether it was a rebound or 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:39.480 an assist or maybe a point. Lebron has fifty four 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:43.679 of those. Jason Kidd had fifty seven of those games. 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:47.680 Stat of the Day, stat of the day that past 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:51.920 out of the day stat of the day. Here comes 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:58.520 that one stat of the day. Here is Russell Westbrook Junior. 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:01.679 The third on his appreciation for some of the greats 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:03.400 of the game as a player in this league and 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:05.560 to make it in this league, it's it's one thing. 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:08.120 But to be in this league and consistently do great 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.880 things and try to do great things, it's tough to do. 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:14.959 And the ones before me because like Ai and Oscar Magic, 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:18.439 like I said, the list can go on. Understanding and 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:21.760 being grateful. Like I said the other day, I'm super 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:27.239 grateful for especially for Oscar because he paved the way. Yeah, 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:32.640 they did. Congratulations to Russell Westbrook. I don't know what 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:37.480 it means because you're gonna have the analytics that community 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.960 is going to say, well, ball dominant, not a great player, 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:46.679 not a good shooter, compiler. I will say in defense 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.880 of Russell Westbrook. If you say, hey, when I go 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.720 watch somebody play, do I think they're they're giving it 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:56.000 their all? Does it matter to them? Does it mean something? 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:57.920 Do they care as much as it cares to me? 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.320 Russell Westbrook is on the short list of players that 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.960 I watch and it feels like every single possession matters 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:12.760 to them. Now he doesn't win. They had an opportunity 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:16.280 at Oklahoma City, had Golden State down three games to one. 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:20.880 In fairness to him, Durant didn't play well and then 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.160 Durant set him out of here. I think he thought 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:25.040 that there was a glass ceiling. I'm not going to 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:30.360 win a championship here, James Harden, you got Russell Westbrook there, 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:34.400 He wanted out, Do you want to play with Russell 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:36.840 Westbrook as your point guard? Now? If you said Magic's 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:42.400 my point guard? Yes, John Stockton, yes, Steve Nash yes, 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:49.320 Isaiah Thomas yes. Even Steph Curry, who's ball dominant. But 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:52.000 Steph is not like we get caught up in this 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:56.000 point guard. I mean Oscar was a scorer. I mean 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:58.560 like he was just a basketball player. Like we get 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:00.760 caught up in these designations. It's like who is a 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:04.880 point guard. Russ to me, is not really a point guard. 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:09.839 He's just basketball player. Like, what's new Luca point guard? 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:13.840 I guess by today's definition, he's a point guard. No, 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:17.960 he's just a basketball player. Ball dominant guard is what 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:24.560 he is. Scottie Pippen was a point forward. They didn't 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:29.040 have a true point guard. I don't know these designations. 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:32.160 Steph Curry, I mean, he's not a point guard, but 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:37.439 I'll take him over Russell Westbrook and there have been 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:42.720 a lot of great guards. But because of these stats, 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.120 you're always going to be able to say, well, that's 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.880 the triple double. That's all. He's got the most triple doubles. 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:51.440 That doesn't mean that he's the second best point guard 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:56.240 of all time. Yeah. Do you think that people classify 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.280 Steph Curry's a point guard because he's not tall, he's 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:01.600 not that tall, because he's never He's only averaged more 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:05.520 than eight assist once in his career. He's listed in 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:08.920 NBA Reference as PG point guard his entire career. Not 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:10.720 one of those that switched like Tim Duncan. He switched 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.320 it every year. But he plays with Clay Thompson, who's 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:15.640 the other guard who is a shooting guard. You're a 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:17.960 shooting yes, but that's not fair to Steph Curry because 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.440 if you rank the top shooting guards of all time, 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:22.880 he's in the mix. Well, he's the greatest shooter of 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:26.000 all time, but he's listed as a point guard right 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:30.120 without a mistake by staff point guard? No, because he 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.320 went back one more year at Davidson to work on 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:35.280 being a point guard. And I think he thought that 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.880 that was his entry point into the NBA. Is I 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:41.640 can only play if I'm a point guard because you're 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:44.880 shooting guard at that time. You know he's six three, 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:49.200 he's slight, whereas Clay. You know, Clay's got a better 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:53.480 build as far as being that two guard. Yea, if 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.560 he was considered a shooting guard, stop me when I 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.040 get to where he goes all time. And this is 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.880 a from a lot of different list. Michael Jordan's number one, 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.760 Kobe Bryant's number two. A lot of people have Dwayne 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:07.680 Wade as a third best shooting guard of all time, 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:11.360 kind of modern era since eighty. I never thought Dwayne 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:14.840 was a great shooter. He was a slasher, yeah, but 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.120 they haven't listed more shooting guard. He was listed as 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.440 a shooting guard Okay, Well those guys aren't better than 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:26.280 ray Allen. I mean, ray Allen's better shooter than those guys. Harden. 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:29.320 You know, as far as like who would you want? Oh? Oh, 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:37.200 I thought you were saying like Dwyne Wade or Steph Curry. Um, 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:40.080 why wouldn't feel bad if my consolation prize is either 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:41.720 one of them. Let's let's put it that way. They 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:47.120 have James Harden, Fourth, Clyde Drexler. Fifth, Clyde Drexler. Yeah, 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:50.920 a few different lists. Fifth on shooting guard, shooting guard, 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.920 not shooter. Was he was a slasher? He went a shooter. 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.760 Reggie Miller list as a shooting guard. Now Reggie is 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:01.200 a shooter. Yeah. See, well we're having the discussion of 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:09.240 UM shooters versus slashers. Where do scorers fit in that trifecta? Um, 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:12.960 he's just a scorer. Well, I look at a scorer 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:15.520 as a guy who he gets his points in a 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.880 variety of ways, shoots and slashes. Well, he does everything. 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:22.000 I don't think he's a great shooter. You know that. 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.920 And there are guys who somehow get points and you go, 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.520 they're doing it and they're not great shooters. Russ is 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.560 not a great shooter. Yeah, see yay, just saying like 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:35.440 the Kobe's of the world, Kobe was a volume guy, 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:39.000 like he got into a rhythm, but he had great form, 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:43.800 like he had all the shots, but he he's a scorer. 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.000 Sometimes if if you all you do is you can 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.880 shoot jumpers, then you're known as a shooter, the guy 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:51.960 who can get to the hoop slash, then you're known 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:54.280 as a score. Yeah. Mcli. Do you think it's possible 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:56.680 Curry when it's all said and done, ends up higher 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.000 on the all time player list and Kobe, I think 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:03.400 it's gonna be real close. Uh, you gotta win a 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:07.680 couple more titles. Yeah, I still think Curry he's gonna 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:11.439 get a lot of top ten love. Well. Once again, 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:15.560 it's the statistical part of this he's gonna have, so 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:19.520 you know, he's gonna play in six hundred fewer games 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.720 I think than Ray Allen and surpass him in three 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:28.359 point shooting. So like these numbers, while they're crazy now, 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.200 in ten years we might look back and go, Man, 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:34.960 who would have thought? I thought that record was you know, unbreakable. 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.439 I mean it took a long time for Oscar. That 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:43.480 was forty seven years but Russell Westbrook did that. What's 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:47.160 Luca don Chick gonna average for his career? He's gonna 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:52.280 average a triple double. Pretty good start, yeah, mcclu. But 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:55.159 he has to win, you know, like Dirk, Dirk was amazing. 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.159 That hasn't want anything. Yeah, we just saw him. He's 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:00.359 thirty six on the ESPN players. I know, but I 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.000 got I got people arguing is the second greatest point 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:06.320 guard of all time. He didn't want anything. Now, I know, 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:08.520 you go, well, you can't put all that on him 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:11.160 in basketball. I can put more of that on you 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:17.760 because it's five guys football, I know, we you know, 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:20.280 put it all in the quarterback. Either you did great 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.399 or you did poor. You won or you lost the 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:26.480 super Bowl. Basketball, if it's five guys, yes, two guys 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:29.800 can win you a championship. There. Russ hasn't won anything. 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:33.320 Now you can say Stockton didn't win anything, got to 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:36.879 the finals twice. You're right. I mean he lost to Jordan, 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:43.320 You're right. He did not win. Gary Peyton wonderful, didn't win, Okay, 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:47.640 I get it. Oscar won one when he went and 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:52.440 he was with Kareem and he was a different player 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:57.200 back then when they won their title. If Jerry West 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:03.080 had nine championship rings eight see the Greatest Player of 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:06.240 all Time? He went. He went against the Celtics every 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:11.440 year and lost. A team that had eight or nine 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.359 Hall of Famers on the roster. He lost. If Jerry 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:19.560 has seven titles, see the Greatest Player of all time? Right, 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:22.960 that's where you're trying to figure out, you know, where 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:27.600 somebody fits historically. By the way, Russ has still got 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:31.480 quite a few years left here. He's not gonna win 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:39.679 a title in Washington. Take years going on. If I 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:42.680 said he's gonna win a title, then it's a hot take. 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:46.600 You gotta understand how these hot takes work. Man. Oh yeah, Paul, 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:49.320 I have a little career stat for you. Steph Curry 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:53.080 and Kobe Bryant both averaged twenty five, six and five 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:56.560 for their careers. Almost exact stats there. And if Steph 0:19:56.560 --> 0:19:58.600 Curry is going to lead the NBA and scoring this year, 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.159 both will have led the NBA's oring twice in their careers. 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:05.399 Their stat line is almost exactly. I can't put Steph 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:10.240 over Kobe. I can't. He's got time, but I can't 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:13.800 do that. I find him fascinating, just like I did Kobe. 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:18.600 It felt like Kobe. Yeah. See, you know you get 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:21.720 into these discussions, then you disparage somebody. I don't want 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:25.399 to do that. Kobe is higher on the list than 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.160 Stuff is at thirty two years old. Kobe Bryant average 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:30.720 twenty five and a half a game. Steph Curry's averaging 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:33.160 thirty two a games. Yeah, the NBA is different, very different. 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:36.520 Three points are completely every Like a team scores one 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:40.760 hundred and forty points, nobody blinks. Remember it used to 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:43.280 be first team to one hundred would get a win. 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:46.919 Now it's like, hey, would you you guys scored one 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:48.840 hundred and twenty? Yeah we lost, We lost by eight. 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:52.320 Team like that. It's just there's no defense. 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