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Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: Crystal Ball is unfortunately not feeling so well, but Kyle

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Speaker 1: Klinsky is very graciously agreed to step in step in

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Speaker 1: at the very last moment. Thank you, Kyle. We really

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. My pleasure. I've heard that people have been

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Speaker 1: wanting you and I to do a show. That's true.

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Speaker 1: That's true. So here we go. You're welcome, You're welcome everyone.

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Speaker 1: We have some awesome topics here today. We're obviously sad

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Speaker 1: not to have Crystal. Kyle will be looking at something

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Speaker 1: and I'll be trying to pull in the lead, so

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Speaker 1: very very nice of him to slot in at the

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Speaker 1: last moment. We've got Kamala Harris, which we were going

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Speaker 1: to start with. We've got Beto or Rourke. Of course,

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Speaker 1: tax cut update there on exactly how much of a

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Speaker 1: tax cut the Democrats are currently planning for multi millionaires

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Speaker 1: and billionaires. A very interesting survey of Twitter actually about

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Speaker 1: that exactly is working out for a lot of people

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Speaker 1: among the activists left some great data, and then a

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Speaker 1: very stark and prescient warning from Chinese dissident eyeway Way.

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Speaker 1: I think that no matter where you follow the spectrum,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna find it interesting. But as we previewed, Kyle,

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Speaker 1: let's start with Kamala Harris the gift that really does

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Speaker 1: It made big heyday yesterday on political Twitter and inside

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Speaker 1: of the White House, and it was a CNN story

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Speaker 1: saying exasperation and dysfunction inside Kamala Harris's frustrating start as

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Speaker 1: Vice President. Now, what you can see actually within the

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Speaker 1: story is that and again they are quoting quote nearly

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Speaker 1: three dozen former and current former Harris aids, administration officials,

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Speaker 1: democratic operatives, donors, and outside advisors. Is a complex reality

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Speaker 1: inside the White House. But really what they point to

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Speaker 1: Kyle is the fact that Joe Biden's advisors and those

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Speaker 1: They say she has a terrible approval rating, They say

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Speaker 1: the one. He's like, Kamala Harris impressed me with that rollout. Right,

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Speaker 1: that without what's her name, Prince Charles, the second wife.

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Speaker 1: that I've ever seen. Let's take a listen. Please welcome

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Speaker 1: Heather curtain Bach in a moment. Please have a seat. Yeah, Kyle,

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Speaker 1: leaving it. His answer quote, that's an answer, but that's

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Speaker 1: something we should be debating. So the thing that he

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Speaker 1: made like the centerpiece of his campaign, when he was

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Speaker 1: asked specifics on it, he was like, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: So you're gonna have totally amorphous positions on immigration and

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Speaker 1: run for Texas governor. You're gonna have an anti gun

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Speaker 1: position and run for Texas governor. I don't see how

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Speaker 1: this goes well at all. I think it's a good point.

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Speaker 1: And what again you're pointing to is and also immigration

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Speaker 1: is not nationalized in Texas the way that it is

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Speaker 1: in the rest of the country. We actually are on

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Speaker 1: the border, like you know, El Paso and Laredo in

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Speaker 1: many of these places have an actually have to live

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Speaker 1: with whatever national policy actually is. So your positions on

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Speaker 1: those things really matter, especially in South Texas, where many

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Speaker 1: of the Latino voters who switched to Donald Trump have

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Speaker 1: shown to have positions not in step with the national

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party whatsoever. That is why you continue to see

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Speaker 1: Republican strength there. I think it was McKinney, Texas, which

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Speaker 1: is way down south, just or elected a Republican governor

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Speaker 1: for the first Republican mayor for the first time in decades,

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Speaker 1: and all of this stuff once again matters because both

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Speaker 1: on a policy level, but even on a national cultural one,

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Speaker 1: this just seems totally off base. His response to that

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Speaker 1: is going to be to randomly speak Spanish in the

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Speaker 1: middle of a debate. Hope, play is this gonna win

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Speaker 1: me points? And er harder? Will that win me points?

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Speaker 1: And the answer is no, better, it won't. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to block out those moments from the Spanish. I

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Speaker 1: completely forgot about it. But anyway, there you go, Beetho

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Speaker 1: Rook is running for governor. We'll get to to track it.

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Speaker 1: I predict he will probably flame out and you'll do terribly.

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Speaker 1: But there you go, laid it out on the table.

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Speaker 1: Let's move on to this next story. This is something

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Speaker 1: Colin I absolutely care a lot about. It's something which

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Speaker 1: has been roiling the debate here in DC. Chrystal and

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Speaker 1: I have been making pains in order to make sure

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Speaker 1: that you guys know of the actual tax increases and

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Speaker 1: cuts within the bill, because what they have tried to

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Speaker 1: do is frame all of these phony taxes of oh

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Speaker 1: we're doing a minimum tax or oh we're going to

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Speaker 1: increase IRS enforcement, and that's going to go after the rich.

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Speaker 1: But in terms of the actual provision that made it

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Speaker 1: to the actual text which passed the House of Representatives,

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Speaker 1: what is currently included in that bill is a massive

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Speaker 1: tax cut for the wealthy. And now we actually know

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Speaker 1: just how much of a tax cut we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: So let's put this up there on the screen. We're talking,

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Speaker 1: of course, about the salt cap deduction or the salt

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Speaker 1: cap increase from ten thousand dollars, as you can see

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Speaker 1: there on the screen. Acording to the data run by

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Speaker 1: the nonpartisan Tax Foundation, they have found that over two

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Speaker 1: thirds of multimillionaires will get a tax cut under the

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Speaker 1: Build Back Better Plan. And the reason for that, Kyle,

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Speaker 1: is that by increasing the amount of state taxes that

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Speaker 1: you can deduct for a re federal tax burden, they

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Speaker 1: will push it from ten thousand dollars to approximately seventy

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Speaker 1: or eighty thousand dollars. I want you guys to sit

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Speaker 1: at home, and think about how wealthy you have to

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Speaker 1: be to be paying eighty ninety thousand dollars when in

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Speaker 1: state income taxes. That means the highest state income tax

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Speaker 1: in the country is thirteen percent in the state of California.

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Speaker 1: So you still have to be making in the seven

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Speaker 1: eight hundred, nine hundred thousand figure for this to even

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Speaker 1: come into play, which means that this will be overwhelmingly

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Speaker 1: targeted the benefit in terms of the money saved and

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Speaker 1: your ability to deduct from the people at the very

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Speaker 1: highest income of the spectrum. I always take pains to

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Speaker 1: explain that, Kyle, because we hear from people in the

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Speaker 1: show who are like, Hey, I make like two hundred

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Speaker 1: three hundred grand I live in California. I know that

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Speaker 1: sounds like a lot of money, but it's actually not

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Speaker 1: a lot of money. I understand that you would save money.

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Speaker 1: I'm not downplaying that whatsoever, but you have to understand

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Speaker 1: that ninety percent of the benefit goes to the very

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Speaker 1: wealthiest in the one percent, and that's the important part

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Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, So let me give everybody more backstory

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Speaker 1: on this, because the reason why that ultimately was in

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Speaker 1: the legislation is because that was effectively the only way

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Speaker 1: that the Democrats could guarantee that you get the most

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Speaker 1: hardcore corporatus on this people like Gottheimer. So in other words,

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Speaker 1: there's no way this thing would have passed without that. Now,

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Speaker 1: having said that, is that a bitter pill that I

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Speaker 1: could swallow if you make up for it in other

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Speaker 1: ways in the legislation, like, for example, a billionaire's tax,

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Speaker 1: like for example, you know, a corporate tax increase. I

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Speaker 1: could swallow that bitter pill if that was the case.

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Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is that's not the case. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And by the way, it was actually Donald Trump who

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Speaker 1: got rid of the salt tax. Yeah, and now, to

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Speaker 1: be fair, you know his twenty seven tax cut bill, overall,

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Speaker 1: eighty three percent of the benefits went to the top

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Speaker 1: one percent. But you know, this was viewed as it's

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Speaker 1: for blue states for the most part, so it was

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Speaker 1: almost as like a politicalacy. So, you know, the salt tax, again,

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Speaker 1: just to reiterate for people, it's this idea that you

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Speaker 1: can deduct from your federal taxes the amount that you

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Speaker 1: pay in state and local taxes, and that generally goes

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Speaker 1: to you know, wealthy people in states. San Francisco exactly,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, the issue here is we were presented the

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Speaker 1: Build Back Better Bill as one thing, as Okay, we're

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Speaker 1: going to have a billionaire tax in it, or a

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Speaker 1: top marginal tax increase, or a corporate tax increase, and

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Speaker 1: slowly but surely, over time, one by one they stripped

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Speaker 1: those things. And they stripped them because the likes of

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Speaker 1: Mansion and Cinema and other corporatis said, no, I don't

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Speaker 1: want to do that one. No, that one's divisive, No,

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Speaker 1: that one's not okay. So now at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, we're left with a tax cut for relatively

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Speaker 1: wealthy people and what's supposed to be a progressive piece

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Speaker 1: of legislation. It's absolutely absurd and I'd vote no every

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Speaker 1: day of the week on this. Yeah. And I think

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Speaker 1: people need to understand too that the amount that this

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Speaker 1: is going to cost the federal government is three hundred

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Speaker 1: billion dollars. And so just so you know, they could

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Speaker 1: do the entire child tax credit for a year with

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Speaker 1: that type of money. They could actually fund us up

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Speaker 1: to a welfare program for two or three years in

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Speaker 1: terms of pre K and all that stuff with that money.

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Speaker 1: In terms of its actual cost, it is the single

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Speaker 1: largest cost within the bill, within the Build Back Better bill,

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Speaker 1: And I know that doesn't sound right, but whenever you're

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Speaker 1: going to take a tax revenue away, it is technically

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Speaker 1: scored as a cost within the legislation itself. That is

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Speaker 1: the reality. And if that wasn't worse, really, what it

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Speaker 1: is is that by some measures, middle class taxes could

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Speaker 1: actually go up and worse than middle class taxes is

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Speaker 1: an expenditure which you know, the progressive left cares to care,

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Speaker 1: claims to care a lot about well. And our friend

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Speaker 1: Matt Brunnank, who has been doing an excellent job on this,

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Speaker 1: put it up there on the screen. He's actually shown

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Speaker 1: that under the current Build Back Better plan, if the

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Speaker 1: national average cost of universal pre K is ten thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars a year, which nationally allocates five hundred and four

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Speaker 1: per preschool age child in year one, it would front

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Speaker 1: pre K spots for only about five percent of kids.

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Speaker 1: So the pre k, you know, the pre K provision

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Speaker 1: within the bill would only actually apply to about five

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Speaker 1: percent of all American children. So would be pretty ridiculous

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Speaker 1: to call it universal pre k in any way. And Kyle,

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Speaker 1: the other thing that he's pointed to is that this

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Speaker 1: could actually increase childcare costs for a lot of middle

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Speaker 1: class families in the American South, the reason being that

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Speaker 1: the way that you structure these programs is that you

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Speaker 1: block grant money to the states and then the states

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Speaker 1: get to decide how to spend it. We did this

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Speaker 1: with Medicare or Medicare, you know, because of the federal system. Now,

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Speaker 1: because of that, though, because of the Southern States's likelihood

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Speaker 1: to not want to disperse it or to use it

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Speaker 1: in a different way or set different income floors, and

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Speaker 1: all of that, the practical implication would be that childcare

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Speaker 1: costs would actually go up, especially for poor, middle class

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Speaker 1: people in the American South, which, by the way, you know,

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Speaker 1: disproportionately black. Apparently they claim to care about a lot

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Speaker 1: of these people. So we have a three hundred billion

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Speaker 1: dollar tax cut for the wealthiest one percent of Americans

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Speaker 1: and then we have no actual universal pre K if

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Speaker 1: you claim to you know, want to espout those beliefs,

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Speaker 1: and you have increasing childcare cost So God bless Matt

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Speaker 1: Brooning for diving into the details of this, because nobody

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Speaker 1: else is diving into the details of this, and this

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Speaker 1: is stuff that major media outlet should be doing. But

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Speaker 1: they're not doing, so credit to him for doing that. Look,

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Speaker 1: call what it is. This is a neoliberal scam, that's

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Speaker 1: what it is. And what Democrats have done in the

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Speaker 1: modern era is they try to take things that are

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Speaker 1: a win in name only effectively and then use that. So,

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Speaker 1: for example, Obamacare, Obamacare is an individual mandate system. That

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Speaker 1: idea was actually birthed by a right wing think tank,

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Speaker 1: the Heritage Foundation. It used to be supporting that policy

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Speaker 1: used to be supported by the likes of Chuck Grassley

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Speaker 1: and Newt Gingrich. It was out ninety three response to

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Speaker 1: the Clinton healthcare point. That's exactly right. Yeah, But then

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Speaker 1: eventually the Democrats end up getting that through and they

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Speaker 1: act like this is some sort of big win for

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Speaker 1: left ideas. It's simply not. It's a neoliberal scam because

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Speaker 1: it just helps the private insurers. It mandates you go

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Speaker 1: to private insurans and give them more money effectively. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is the same sort of thing we're talking about here.

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Speaker 1: When the Build Back Better Bill originally came out, when

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Speaker 1: you went provision by provision, everything was so popular. Eldercare

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Speaker 1: seventy nine percent, popular, Medicare drug price negotiations seventy three

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Speaker 1: percent popular, lowering medicare aage fifty nine percent, universal pre

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Speaker 1: K fifty nine percent, to which free community college fifty

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Speaker 1: eight percent. You go down the list, everything's popular, But

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Speaker 1: guess what voters are going to know it if you

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Speaker 1: pass first of all, a massively watered down piece of legislation,

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Speaker 1: and then second of all, when you look at the specifics,

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Speaker 1: it's not even the thing that they say it is.

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Speaker 1: You can't say you're doing childcare pre k. And then

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Speaker 1: you get to this specif excebidence like, oh, by the way,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna end up paying more. People are gonna know that,

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna get punished at the ballot box for it.

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Speaker 1: Of course, which is what happened in Obamacare. People were like,

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Speaker 1: you said, my costs would go down and I could

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Speaker 1: keep my doctor, and I lost my doctor, and now

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Speaker 1: the cost has gone up. But I can tell you

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Speaker 1: with somebody who now has to purchase insurance out on

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Speaker 1: those private exchanges, it's an exorbitant cost. It's completely ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: You know, even when it was employer based, you're still

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Speaker 1: paying hundreds of dollars a month for you know, some

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Speaker 1: crazy amount of deductible. It's like, oh, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: this is basically insurance. If you get like plowed by

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Speaker 1: a car, then sure you're covered. But you know, if

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Speaker 1: you have general sickness, you know, God help you. And

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Speaker 1: I think you're pointing to something very clear. Look, you

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Speaker 1: can try and spin this all you want, but at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, as you're seeing at the

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Speaker 1: food and gas prices, when when it actually comes down

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Speaker 1: to it and you got to pay more for your childcare,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna know, and you're especially gonna know when somebody's like, hey, uh,

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Speaker 1: did you know that not only does your cost go up,

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Speaker 1: but the rich just people in this country got a

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Speaker 1: tax cut in the same legislation. They're all doing backflips

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Speaker 1: just so people know in terms of how they have

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Speaker 1: shoved this legislation into or so I've shoved this provision

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Speaker 1: into this legislation, And I do think it tells you

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Speaker 1: everything you need to know that this is the only

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Speaker 1: thing that survived. As you said, sure, coalitional trading and

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Speaker 1: all that. It makes sense if you know, you give

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Speaker 1: the guys one thing as long as you get your thing,

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Speaker 1: but you're not actually getting your thing. You're not getting

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Speaker 1: your thing. No, and look I'll say it as simply

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Speaker 1: as possible. The model, if you want to win and

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Speaker 1: you want to do things, the things that are good

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Speaker 1: for the country, the New Deal is the model. You

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Speaker 1: go with broad, universal programs that are that are actually

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Speaker 1: universal in nature, that are funded by taxes on the wealthy.

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Speaker 1: That's how that's how you win. And the reason why

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Speaker 1: the Democrats don't go in that direction is very simple.

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Speaker 1: They are beholding to the donors, they are beholding to

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Speaker 1: the corporations, They're beholding to the billionaires. And so what

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Speaker 1: the Democrats try to do is split the difference between

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Speaker 1: the donors and the lobbyists who are telling them what

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Speaker 1: to do, and the voters who say, look, we want

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Speaker 1: common sense policies. In two thousand and six, the Democrats

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Speaker 1: ran on lowering drug prices. It's right, two thousand and six.

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Speaker 1: Now we're having this conversation again. This time Kirsten Cinema

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Speaker 1: takes a million dollars from pharma and then turns around

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Speaker 1: and is now against lowering drug prices. When she ran

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Speaker 1: and had ads on I'm for lowering drug prices, and

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Speaker 1: then they come to a compromise. Get this. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you heard this story. It's a compromise. We're

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Speaker 1: going to lower ten drug prices, and what about the

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Speaker 1: other thousand drugs that are out there? Are those people

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Speaker 1: just screwed? You think voters aren't gonna see this and

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Speaker 1: then punish you as a result of it, And they

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Speaker 1: are doing that, which is why you see Biden at

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Speaker 1: thirty eight percent. It's why you see Kamala twenty eight percent.

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Speaker 1: It's why you see Mayor Pete at thirty seven percent.

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Speaker 1: It's why the Republicans are up ten points in the

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Speaker 1: generic ballot. Sager, you need to have Democrats up like

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Speaker 1: five points just for them to maintain the status quote.

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Speaker 1: I know, yeah, we were talking about yesterday, which is

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Speaker 1: that an eleven point win is actually our eleven point

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Speaker 1: gain is actually higher than it was in the Tea

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Speaker 1: Party wave of twenty ten. It's double what we saw

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Speaker 1: back then, and that was a fifty seat gain. So

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Speaker 1: this time around, who the hell knows. Let's see how

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Speaker 1: I can act. Be Let's go ahead and move on

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Speaker 1: to this because actually is tied directly. Chrystal is the

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Speaker 1: one who spotted this, and I thought it was an

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Speaker 1: absolutely fascinating story. So it starts with Ryan Grimm wrote

690
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Speaker 1: a great story over the intercept, kind of a gut

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Speaker 1: check for a lot of Democrats in the wake of Virginia.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up there on the screen from Ryan.

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Speaker 1: It's not just white people. Democrats are losing normal voters

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Speaker 1: of all races. And what Ryan points to is that

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Speaker 1: as they continue to look inside of both focus groups

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Speaker 1: and in terms of post electoral data in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: one after the Youngkin victory, they are seeing a drop

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Speaker 1: amongst normal voters of every ethnicity and not just white

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Speaker 1: working class voters. And the point that they the thing

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Speaker 1: that they point to is in focus groups is not

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Speaker 1: around critical race theory. As we have seen the swing

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Speaker 1: voters cared much more about school closures during COVID nineteen

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Speaker 1: and the cultural gap between working people and Democrats elites

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Speaker 1: who broadly supported the prolonged school closures while enjoying the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to work remotely. They don't think we can underscore

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Speaker 1: how important that was, And of course it makes intuitive sense.

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Speaker 1: School is a natural childcare outlet for the American working class.

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Speaker 1: They cannot afford other programs, and they also cannot work

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Speaker 1: at home. I remember during the pandemic seeing different cases

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Speaker 1: of you know, like a father or mother working at

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Speaker 1: a coffee shop and her daughter is in the corner,

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Speaker 1: you know, playing on an iPad, which shameful, shameful, right,

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Speaker 1: she has to go over and check on her every

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Speaker 1: five minutes or whatever. But that's no way to be

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Speaker 1: and a normal you know, a white collar worker can

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Speaker 1: just simply sit at home and they can watch their

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Speaker 1: they can watch their kid, you know, while they work,

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Speaker 1: or you know, they can do some hybrid schedule. Ask

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Speaker 1: any person who works shift work whether you're allowed to

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Speaker 1: work hybrid. They'll go ahead and laugh in your face.

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Speaker 1: And the real thing that Ryan is pointing to is

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Speaker 1: that on culture, but also in terms of the way

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Speaker 1: things played out with pandemic policy, that their Democrats are

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Speaker 1: losing voters of all stripes, largely amongst the lower middle class,

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Speaker 1: and Virginia is very much a bell weather for the nation.

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Speaker 1: I mean, one of the things that we pointed to

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Speaker 1: is that it's very historic for the Virginia gubernatorial race

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Speaker 1: to go in the opposite direction of whoever wins the

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Speaker 1: White House, and that the Virginia gubernatorial race is generally

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Speaker 1: and again generally a pretty good indicator of where things

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Speaker 1: are going to go in the midterm elections because it's

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Speaker 1: off year, and it kind of captures what the national

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Speaker 1: mood is. When you put all of that together, what

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Speaker 1: you see is both a cultural backlash. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to diminish it, but I also don't want to give

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Speaker 1: it too much credit. But more importantly, you see a

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Speaker 1: general angst and feeling of people who say, I used

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Speaker 1: to feel that these people were looking out for my interests,

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Speaker 1: and now they're not. And that's why you see such

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Speaker 1: a broad based loss amongst all coalitions. In Virginia, we

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Speaker 1: saw black turnout go down, Hispanis turnout actually go up

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Speaker 1: for the GOP Youngkin depending on which Exitpoe you want

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Speaker 1: to look like, either one an outright majority of Latino

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00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: voters or he actually won like forty to fifty percent regardless,

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Speaker 1: that's a lot. And then amongst white working class voters,

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Speaker 1: that story is obviously very clear in terms of how

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Speaker 1: it came out for Yonkin. So I'm going to tell

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Speaker 1: you my favorite fact that I learned recently. This is

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Speaker 1: going to blow people's minds because it's just so different

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Speaker 1: from modern politics. In nineteen thirty eight, after FDR had

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Speaker 1: been president for a while, already Democrats had eighty percent

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Speaker 1: of the House of Representatives yes, and eighty percent of

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Speaker 1: the Senate, and of course FDR went on to win

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Speaker 1: the presidency four times. This was before we had turn limits,

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00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: of course, and Republicans feared like, we're we're never going

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00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: to win again. And the reason they felt that way

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00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: is because when you look at FDR and you look

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Speaker 1: at his New Deal policies, they were so popular and

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00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: helped people so much in a tangible way that he

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00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: very simply materially delivered for the American people. Now, my

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00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: message to Democrats is very simple. You have to materially

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Speaker 1: deliver for the American people or they're not going to

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Speaker 1: believe you. And then they're going to start looking not

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Speaker 1: only to other politicians, but also to other issues as

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Speaker 1: a stand in for class. So you know that's and

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Speaker 1: in fact, that's what I think is going on here

767
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: is in a way, culture has become a stand in

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Speaker 1: for class and economics, because when there's a total lack

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Speaker 1: of anybody helping you economically, well, then you say, well,

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Speaker 1: then who can I most align with culturally, who most

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Speaker 1: meets my values? If you will, and on that Democrats

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Speaker 1: swing and a miss I mean again, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to step on the next graphic. I'm not sure we

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Speaker 1: have it, but you can put it up there, Okay,

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Speaker 1: go ahead to pre research thing. Yeah yeah, So when

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Speaker 1: you look at Biden to youngkin voters, this this is

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Speaker 1: the thing that I was going to mention. When you

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Speaker 1: look at Biden to youngin voters, what they said is

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Speaker 1: we agree more with Democrats on their stated economic policies,

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Speaker 1: but we're way more with the Republicans on the culture stuff. Yes,

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00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: and again, when Democrats didn't deliver on the economics, then

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00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, then I guess I'll just default to

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00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: the culture stuff. And that those are the people who

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00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 1: ended up going Biden to Yankin. And then of course

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00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: you have that new Jacobin study that came out. Yeah,

786
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: that's right, we covered it on the show. And what

787
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: did they find. They found that the most electorally successful

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Speaker 1: lane for Congress is what they call populist progressive, which

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Speaker 1: is like, go left on economics and when it comes

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Speaker 1: to culture. You know, my move is I'd be curious

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00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: see what you think of this. My move is just

792
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: like relative agnosticism. You know, I'm not gonna scold you

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna call you racist. I'm not gonna, you know,

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00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: call you every negative label under the sun. I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what my positions are on those issues. And sure

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00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: my positions might be further left than some of the

797
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Speaker 1: folks who are watching this show, but we can be

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Speaker 1: honest about that and we can have a conversation. But

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to scold you for those things. But

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Speaker 1: what I will tell you is on the economic stuff,

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Speaker 1: this is what my main point is. I'm gonna drive

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00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: this home over and over and over and over, and

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Speaker 1: then you might say, hey, even if I disagree with

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Speaker 1: this guy on some of the cultural stuff, at least

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Speaker 1: I know where he stands on this. Yeah, that's very true.

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Speaker 1: I have that book behind me. Is one of my favorites,

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Speaker 1: Freedom from Fear of the History of the FDR President,

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Speaker 1: and they drive that home very clearly. By the way,

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Speaker 1: if you think culture wars are new to the US,

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Speaker 1: not true. Okay, we had plenty of culture wars in

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Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties. I can assure you that around socialism,

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Speaker 1: about segregation, about the American South, about interventionism, isolationism. I mean,

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Speaker 1: these were real things, and we had recent immigrant populations

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Speaker 1: who had real you know, who had real inclinations towards

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Speaker 1: one thing or the other. None of this is new,

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Speaker 1: It happens every time. The difference was is that great

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Speaker 1: leaders were able to transcend those in favor of a

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Speaker 1: higher ideal. One of my favorite things when reading the

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Speaker 1: history of Abraham Lincoln was he wouldn't believe the culture

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Speaker 1: wars they had to deal with back in the eighteen sixties.

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Speaker 1: Catholics and Protestants, drinking versus temperance, all of that. But

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Speaker 1: ultimately he was able to use these coalitions to unite

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Speaker 1: people towards the higher ideal of saving the Union fdr

824
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Speaker 1: obviously around saving the country many in certain ways, and

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Speaker 1: the reason why we had that, Can we rethrow that

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Speaker 1: up there on the screen please? The Twitter one, which

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Speaker 1: is that the biggest problem that we have in American

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Speaker 1: politics right now is that almost everything is driven by

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Speaker 1: Twitter usage. This is actually a problem of right and left.

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Speaker 1: I was just looking today, I saw a US Congressman

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Speaker 1: Jim Banks tweeting a sure jan meme at Jensaki over

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris, and I was just like, dude, I like,

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Speaker 1: I know that he probably didn't even tweet that it

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Speaker 1: was like a social media director or comms director. And

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Speaker 1: the only reason that they do it is because they

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Speaker 1: get clout with other people on Congress, like other staffers

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Speaker 1: who are like, oh, that was such a funny meme.

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Speaker 1: Now here's the thing. The people they represent are not

839
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Speaker 1: on Twitter at all. And actually, what we learned from

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Speaker 1: this Pew Research polling is that the behaviors and attitudes

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Speaker 1: of US adults on Twitter. We show a minority of

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Speaker 1: Twitter users produce some majority of the tweets. Obviously that

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Speaker 1: is going to be that is going to be the case,

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Speaker 1: but most active tweeters are less likely to view the

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Speaker 1: tone or civility of discussions as a major problem on

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Speaker 1: the site. This is something that Crystal honed in on

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Speaker 1: and which I think is really important, which is that

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Speaker 1: when you have the people who produce the vast majority

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Speaker 1: of the content on a website which is overwhelmingly not

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Speaker 1: just used but on all the time by political media elites,

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Speaker 1: and those people value less civil conversation, we get the

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Speaker 1: tone set from the very top. I see this constantly.

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Speaker 1: I cannot tell you how many times when I was

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Speaker 1: working as a White House correspondent that everybody in the

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Speaker 1: White House Press Corps was driving and asking questions based

856
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Speaker 1: on what was happening on Twitter. And this has a

857
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: terrible feedback loop because what happens then is that the

858
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Speaker 1: people in the White House only care about what's happening

859
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 1: on Twitter. People in Congress only care what's happening on Twitter.

860
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Speaker 1: I can even give you a personal example. I could

861
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Speaker 1: say something here on the show. This show is watched

862
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: by millions of people, and it is almost like shouting

863
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: out into the ether in terms of whether somebody in

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Speaker 1: Congress were to notice. I could tweet something, right, I

865
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: could send a tweet critical of a member of Congress

866
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Speaker 1: the exact same thing that I would say here on

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Speaker 1: the show. It would probably go to I don't know,

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Speaker 1: a couple hundred thousand, you know, I've a couple hundred

869
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Speaker 1: thousand followers, maybe a million people, you know, if you're lucky,

870
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Speaker 1: but not even close to the same level of distribution,

871
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Speaker 1: And that would be my phone would be ringing. People

872
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: will be like, oh my god, because they pay attention

873
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: to that, right, And I've had this happen just so

874
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: people know, And I think that's a very important insight

875
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: into what these people actually care about. They care about

876
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: what other elites are saying, and whenever that seems the case,

877
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: then our politics are going to be downstream from these

878
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: tiny minority of extremists. They don't believe in talking the

879
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: way that you and I are talking right now around

880
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: civil discussion, and that's what's eroded so much of the

881
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: norms in the country. Yeah, and to your point, I

882
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: think there's another similar dynamic that goes on with elite media,

883
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: where especially when you look at the Democrats, the poll

884
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: show the Democrats have more trust in mainstream media than

885
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: Republicans did. Yes, and so you see that in democratic administrations.

886
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: I remember talking to representative of Rocana and asking him

887
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,959
Speaker 1: about the withdrawal from Afghanistan, you know, in the midst

888
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: of when everything was unfolding, and you know, I basically

889
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: said to him, so, what do you think the likelihood

890
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 1: is that President Biden pulls out of a rack next

891
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: And he looked at me and he was like, basically,

892
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: it's just not happened. It's basically not gonna happen. Y.

893
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: Why is that? Because he listened to and believed and

894
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: took a face value all of the chatter in elite media,

895
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: and of course in elite media, it was unanimous. They

896
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: were walled a wall against it. Everything, you know, the

897
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: house was on fire. Everybody go crazy. Meanwhile, when we

898
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 1: were in Afghanistan, we allied with warlords who had child

899
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: sex slaves, and that barely got half a day of news.

900
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: I actually, I did so much work on that story

901
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: back in the day, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen. I tried

902
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: my damnedest in order to chase it other Pentagon correspondents.

903
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: Nobody was interested. It was a The big story was

904
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: that New York Time story that you're talking about. Then

905
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: there was actually a report which was commissioned by Congress

906
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Speaker 1: Patrick Lay. I'll always give him credit for this. He

907
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: cared a lot about this issue. He commissioned a report,

908
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: Pentagon classified it, and nobody could get their hands on it.

909
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: When is the last time Congress suddenly didn't know how

910
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: to leak classified information. It's not that they couldn't leak it,

911
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 1: it's that nobody was chasing the story. They didn't care.

912
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: That's a perfect example. I always try to bring that up.

913
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: One of the most heinous acts of the US military

914
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan, which was essentially covered up by the press.

915
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: They just didn't care that much. Yeah, and you could

916
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: see it even now with build back better. How Joe

917
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: Biden invited Kirsten Cinema to the signing ceremony for the

918
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: traditional Infrastructure bill, and two lobbyists who helped killed his

919
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: higher taxes on billionaires, he invited them to the signing ceremony.

920
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: And you know the thing that he's internalized now, and

921
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: the media will push this out there, is that, if anything,

922
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: you were too ambitious with the bill. The problem is

923
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: not that you stripped out all the popular provisions and

924
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: it was a skeleton bill and it was watered down,

925
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: and now you're cutting taxes for the rich and the

926
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: you know, universal childcare things a scam. They don't look

927
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Speaker 1: at it like that. They'll look at it. Well, the

928
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: media is telling me that, if anything, I was too

929
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: ambition ambitious, and I have to be you know, more

930
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Speaker 1: moderate and more centrist and take out more popular policies.

931
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: And it's the brain worms, man, whether it's on Twitter

932
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: or whether it's dealing with elite media, they're not in

933
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Speaker 1: touch with working people. Yeah, it was funny. I had

934
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Speaker 1: an uber driver. He knew who it was. He was like,

935
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, should I care about the debt and

936
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I was like, why are you

937
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: asking me that. He's like, you know, they tell me

938
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: I should care, And I was like, yeah, but do

939
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 1: you care. He's like no, and I'm like, then don't

940
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: worry about it. Yeah. Yeah, So there you go. All right,

941
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: let's move on to this really caught my eye. A

942
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: shocking segment here with eyeway Way. For people who don't

943
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: know who he is, He's a Chinese dissident and an artist.

944
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: I actually had the opportunity to talk to him a

945
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: little bit on Clubhouse back in the day around how

946
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: it what he thought the most effective way in order

947
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 1: to compel change within the Chinese regime would be whenever

948
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 1: it comes to wigers in the genocide that is happening

949
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: there in Jinjong. I know I just triggered many people

950
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: in the comments section, but what I think is very

951
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: important is Iway Way, who lived through the Cultural Revolution,

952
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: is giving a warning to American citizens in an interview

953
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: on Firing Line with Margaret Hoover, which he seems a

954
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: little surprised by his answer. Let's take a listen. In

955
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Speaker 1: your book, you're describing the directives of Mauzedong during the

956
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Speaker 1: Cultural Revolution that would be distributed publicly every night and

957
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: then you write, this is your quote. They served a

958
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: function similar to Donald Trump's late night tweets while in office.

959
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: They were the direct communication of a leader's thoughts to

960
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: his devoted followers, enhancing the sanctity of his authority. So

961
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Speaker 1: do you see Donald Trump as an authoritarian? I? Well,

962
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: I don't you know? He If you're aucitarian, you have

963
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: to have a system in supporting you. You cannot just

964
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: be aucerterin by yourself. But a certainly in the United States,

965
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: it's today's condition. You can easily have an authentian in

966
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: many ways, you're already in the auciturian state. You just

967
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 1: don't know it. How so many since it happens today

968
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: in US, can be compared cultural revolution in China, like

969
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: what like people trying to be unified in certain political correctness,

970
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: not as very dangerous, very interesting that he would respond

971
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 1: with that, Kyle, I would wait, by the way, it's

972
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: not like a conservative or something. People should realize that. Yeah,

973
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 1: started with Trump. Yes, it was started with a question

974
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 1: about Trump. And you know I've heard him, like I said,

975
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 1: I was in that clubhouse room with him one time,

976
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: and has very astute, kind of observations of the West

977
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 1: and how exactly political correctness is reminiscent to the cultural

978
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 1: revolution in China. It was stunning to me that both

979
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: that he saw that Margaret Hoover didn't know where it

980
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: was going, kind of like what he was talking to

981
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: me too. At the end, I was like, what come from.

982
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: That's such a very oppression quote, but it Yeah, I

983
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: mean it struck me that to him, he would see

984
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: some of what's happening in our you know, higher culture

985
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: in terms of the attempts to shut down conversation, and

986
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: as we have covered here on the show, that is

987
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: not an exclusive phenomenon limited to the American left, and

988
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: much of the conversation that we have right now a

989
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,479
Speaker 1: politics and you know, in terms of the culture wars

990
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: about who can control who gets to shut down whom

991
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: rather than let's just let everybody talk. But he seeing

992
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: that and warning that on American national television, and I

993
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: guess credit to PBS too for airing it. I thought

994
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: it was a pretty pretty stark moment. Yeah, so I

995
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: have a bunch of stuff say about that. So to

996
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: the political correctness point, if you focus on social media,

997
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 1: this is something I've talked about quite a bit, and

998
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 1: the idea that I find most interesting is regulating large

999
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: social media platforms and treating them like public utilities, so

1000
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: that you expand constitutional protections, You expand First Amendment free

1001
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 1: speech protections, and so with a system like that, yes

1002
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: you still can't do direct threats of violence, which is illegal,

1003
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 1: but basically, outside of some very narrow and limited things, it's,

1004
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: you know, a true open platform, you can say what

1005
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: you want. It's the expansion of the public square. I

1006
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: do think that when we're talking about social media, that's

1007
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: the best answer, or at least the least bad answer

1008
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: that we have. You know, other people have good ideas too,

1009
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: in terms of like, hey, maybe we should just break

1010
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: up a lot of these big social media companies. I'm

1011
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: more a fan of regulate them like public utilities, so

1012
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: that would help address that issue. But to as authoritarianism point,

1013
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: look maybe I go step further than him. I think

1014
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: we are surrounded by authoritarians. So when you look back

1015
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: at the Bush administration, torture NSA, spying on everybody, collecting

1016
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: everybody's metadata without a warrant, Guantanamo Bay. To his point

1017
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: about Trump, I think, of course it's fair to call

1018
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: an authoritarian. It's fair to call every post World War

1019
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: two American president an authoritarian. You know, it's not like

1020
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden under Trump we shut down guantanamobey.

1021
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: It's not like a lot of those problems went away.

1022
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: He also continued all the illegal wars overseas and drone bombing,

1023
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: and same thing under Joe Biden, but with Trump in particular.

1024
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this, Sager, but you know,

1025
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: when he was president, he called for banning flag burning, which,

1026
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: by the way, is not the conservative position. Justice antonin Scalia,

1027
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: one of the most well known conservative justices, said, look,

1028
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like what it represents.

1029
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:34,919
Speaker 1: I don't like what it stands for. But of course

1030
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: it's protected speech. It's you know, a sign of disapproval

1031
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: of what the government is doing. So he said, of

1032
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: course you have to allow that. Trump also said he

1033
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: wanted to crack down on the media and quote open

1034
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: up the libel laws. He very famously threatened to sue

1035
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: Bill Maher over a joke that compared him to an orangutang. So,

1036
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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, he is in many ways the ultimate snowflake,

1037
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: and we are in many ways surrounded by authoritarians and more.

1038
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: Another example that is the anti BDS laws that are

1039
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: on the books where crazy, Yeah, insane, And you know

1040
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: there's anti protest laws on the books in over twenty states.

1041
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think we're surrounded by authoritarians on the

1042
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: left and the right, and authoritarians have been in power

1043
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: for decades, and so yeah, I think we're already there.

1044
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Speaker 1: That's not to say that, you know, we're equal to

1045
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,959
Speaker 1: some horrendous dictatorship or yeah, but it is to say

1046
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: that we got a lot of problems that we need

1047
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 1: to fix. And he seems to understand. Yeah, he doesn't

1048
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 1: understand that. I think it's more important. What it is

1049
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: is that if you read about the cultural revolution in China,

1050
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: you try to understand, You're like, how did this happen?

1051
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: Like what exactly was it and what it was? It

1052
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: was a highly dedicated group of you know, these college students,

1053
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: like true believers in MAU and then you also had

1054
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: the inability and of both to speak out on the

1055
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: public square of people to just say, hey, like this

1056
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: is totally crazy. And next thing, you know, when you

1057
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: don't do that, it spirals completely out of control. Within

1058
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Speaker 1: like two years, within two or three years, all of

1059
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Speaker 1: Chinese society's totally transformed. You have people being beaten in

1060
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Speaker 1: the streets, you have high standing officials who helped found there.

1061
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Speaker 1: Their kids are being thrown out of windows and shipped

1062
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Speaker 1: off to some crazy province, even though even if they're

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Speaker 1: not killed. I mean, it went totally you know, off

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Speaker 1: the rails. Nobody is claiming that's what's happening here in

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Speaker 1: the US. But what I think a large part of

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Speaker 1: the current backlash to the dominant culture is is to

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00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: pointing to the feeling of I don't I just want

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Speaker 1: to be left alone. This is actually very different from

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Speaker 1: the social panics of the nineteen nineties, when people were

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Speaker 1: much more culturally conservative, like let's just be honest, and

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Speaker 1: there was you know, more of an attempt to like

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Speaker 1: ban speech or bang certain type video games of course,

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Speaker 1: or to even to try and compel behavior, you know,

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Speaker 1: around gay issues, stuff like that. Now it is very

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Speaker 1: much a social libertarianism of like, hey, just leave me alone, man.

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Speaker 1: I see this very much in the critical race theory debate.

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Speaker 1: It's very much like a look, just you leave us alone.

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00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: You're like, you keep your bs out of the schools,

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Speaker 1: leave my kids be I see it in the call

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Speaker 1: colleges in terms of the backlash against the compelling of speech.

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Speaker 1: I see it also in BDF. I mean, look, no

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Speaker 1: foreign country should come into our country and tell us

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Speaker 1: what to think. No way, Okay, that's not what we're about. Whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: It applies to the Gulf, and it applies to Israel

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Speaker 1: just as much. That's part of the problem. I see

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Speaker 1: that people in America, we have it baked into us

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Speaker 1: from the frontier of just a distinct feeling of we

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Speaker 1: need to be left alone, especially in the year twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one. So I think eyeway Way is at least

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Speaker 1: speaking to that. I don't want to put words in

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Speaker 1: his mouth or anything, but I've always found him a

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Speaker 1: pretty interesting figure. Yeah here, here, all right, let's get

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Speaker 1: to my monologue. The most meaningful thing that I hear

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Speaker 1: from people about this show is that it helped them

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00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: bridge conflict within families or within friendships. How watching the

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Speaker 1: show made them understand people's perspectives, talk things through, and

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Speaker 1: establish a new paradigm for why something may not make

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Speaker 1: sense to you but could matter a lot to another person.

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Speaker 1: It starts from a place of just acknowledging that the

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Speaker 1: other person as a human being with the right to

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Speaker 1: think and feel just like you. Part of my goal

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Speaker 1: today is to bridge the gap on the economy, or

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Speaker 1: more importantly, how we feel about the economy. One of

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Speaker 1: the problems with the culture war and pitting people against

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Speaker 1: each other is simply don't listen to each other if

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Speaker 1: we don't agree, and when that happens, it drives people

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Speaker 1: into even more echo chambers and makes them harder and

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Speaker 1: less easy to reach in their ways. Pretty much everybody

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Speaker 1: can agree right now that the economy is terrible, but

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Speaker 1: where people start to differ is on the why, the what,

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Speaker 1: and more importantly, what should be done about it. My

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Speaker 1: friend Joe Wisenthal, writing in the Bloomberg newsletter, put it

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Speaker 1: really eloquently. Stock market and job market are booming, and

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Speaker 1: yet US consumer sentiment is a ten year low. How well,

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Speaker 1: the good news is that we all agree at least

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Speaker 1: on one thing. Prices are too damn high, especially food

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Speaker 1: and gas, which hits the pocketbooks and household balance sheets

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Speaker 1: the absolute hardest. That's the easy one. But high food

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Speaker 1: and gas prizes alone shouldn't count for such mega dissatisfaction

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Speaker 1: within the populace. You did deeper and you actually see

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Speaker 1: the American story. As Joe Wisenthal highlights in his newsletter,

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Speaker 1: right now, there is a eight forty eight point gap

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Speaker 1: between Democrats and Republicans in how they feel about the economy.

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Speaker 1: Democrats obviously feeling more optimistic. But what's really crazy is

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Speaker 1: that is not even the worst polarization gap. The worst

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Speaker 1: was back in twenty eighteen, where there was a fifty

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Speaker 1: point gap in how Democrats felt about the economy versus

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Speaker 1: the GOP. Let that sink in a little bit. When

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Speaker 1: Trump was president, there was a fifty point gap between

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Speaker 1: Republicans who thought the economy was awesome and Democrats who

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Speaker 1: thought it was terrible. Today it's the opposite. That's how

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Speaker 1: much polarization drives people in their perceptions. Now, look, obviously

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Speaker 1: there are real concerns here, but just how catastrophic do

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Speaker 1: Republicans feel? Well? As Joe points out, Republican consumer sentiment

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Speaker 1: right now is lower than it was at the very

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Speaker 1: height of the financial crisis in two thousand and eight. Now,

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Speaker 1: part of that is polarization. But what I so appreciated

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Speaker 1: about Joe's analysis is this, within the GOP there is

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Speaker 1: also a constituency that is dramatically overrepresented, that is small

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Speaker 1: business owners. And just think about how much of the

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Speaker 1: ringer that small business owners have been put through over

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Speaker 1: the last two years. They were shut down during COVID,

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00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 1: they lost their employees, it's been chaos, mass mandates and

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Speaker 1: vaccines and all that stuff. And they're finally back up

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Speaker 1: and running and they end up reopening during one of

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Speaker 1: the largest labor market disruptions in modern memory. That's the

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Speaker 1: important part of this to me Hi rightfully, I think

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Speaker 1: many of you too. You're celebrating the great resignation. I

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Speaker 1: want workers to make a lot more money and have

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Speaker 1: more options. I want moms and dads to stay home

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Speaker 1: if they think that's right for them, to raise their kids,

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Speaker 1: and transition to a one household income if they so desire.

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Speaker 1: But with those desires, there is a cost. Now. Most

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Speaker 1: of that cost is going to be born by Starbucks, McDonald's,

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Speaker 1: John Deere and other mega corporations who can afford to

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Speaker 1: pay higher wages, and they should, but we can't also

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Speaker 1: ignore every tiny, little small business in America that has

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Speaker 1: a help wanted sign and is really struggling. Well, the

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Speaker 1: richest people in America got a lot rich right now,

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Speaker 1: and the problem we have is that creating false choices.

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Speaker 1: Right now, the GOP only wants to talk about small

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Speaker 1: business and they want to ignore the workers and the

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Speaker 1: Great Resignation. The Democrats mostly happy to celebrate or at

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Speaker 1: least tolerate the Great Resignation, but that when it comes

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Speaker 1: to COVID policy, they're very happy to screw the small businesses.

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Speaker 1: It is a true false choice that you have to pick,

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Speaker 1: and instead we are being gaslight to think that it

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Speaker 1: is one or the other, and it really doesn't have

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Speaker 1: to be. Instead, all it takes is an understanding of

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Speaker 1: one another. On the worker side, people who watch the

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Speaker 1: show know well that people have gotten a no real

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Speaker 1: wage increase in almost forty years, that their power in

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Speaker 1: the workplace is diminished greatly over the last four decades,

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Speaker 1: and then increasingly any benefit or hope of retirement or

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Speaker 1: normal life is slipping from their grasp. It is on

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Speaker 1: small business owners and others to actually understand that. And

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Speaker 1: on the other side, you also got to recognize neighborhood

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Speaker 1: hardware store or yogurt shop is not the same thing

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Speaker 1: as McDonald's or Starbucks, that perhaps their margins mean life

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Speaker 1: or death for the people who own them, and that

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00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: unlike the stock market billionaires that got a lot poorer,

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Speaker 1: not richer during the pandemic. I'm honestly not sure what

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Speaker 1: the solution is. My reference would probably be to target

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Speaker 1: government aid only to small firms and then let them

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Speaker 1: compete with the big chains on an equal playing field.

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Speaker 1: That would give workers higher wages, equalize the playing field

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Speaker 1: for the small business. But I'll probably die of old

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Speaker 1: with age before I see you here something sensible like

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Speaker 1: that proposed in Congress. So while we're waiting for all

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Speaker 1: of that to catch up, the message of this one

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00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: is hokey but simple. Just think about things not from

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Speaker 1: your perspective, but everybody else's, think about both those perspectives,

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Speaker 1: how they fit into society, and how it all ends

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Speaker 1: up shaking out eventually. Too much about politics right now

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Speaker 1: is about satisfying different coalitions only within one party, instead

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Speaker 1: of trying to create new ones, trying to think about

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Speaker 1: how to broaden your appeal or even better, to help

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Speaker 1: people regardless of political affiliation. I'm not sure that I'll

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Speaker 1: actually live to see that come into practice on the

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Speaker 1: national stage, but I do think by adopting a new

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Speaker 1: mindset you can actually try and see a way out

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Speaker 1: of the trouble that we are in today. I'm curious

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Speaker 1: what you think, Kyle, because you know, when I first

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Speaker 1: saw that data, I was like, Man, this is totally nuts.

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Speaker 1: Partisanship has ridded people's brains so much. One more thing,

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Speaker 1: I promise, just wanted to make sure you knew about

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Speaker 1: my podcast with Kyle Kolinski. It's called Crystal, Kyle and Friends,

1208
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: where we do long form interviews with people like Noam Chomsky,

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01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: Cornell West, and Glenn Greenwald. You can listen on any

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Speaker 1: podcast platform, or you can subscribe over on substack to

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Speaker 1: get the video a day early. We're going to stop

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Speaker 1: bugging you now. Enjoy. Okay, So, since we don't have

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Speaker 1: a Crystal's monologue today, Kyle picked a topic that him

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Speaker 1: and I are going to discuss. What are we taking

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Speaker 1: a look at coy? Yeah? So the White House is

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Speaker 1: apparently bracing this is according to New York Times Business.

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Speaker 1: The White House is bracing lawmakers for a quote disappointing

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Speaker 1: estimate from the CBO on the House Democrats legislation, which

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Speaker 1: is likely to find that the cost of the package

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Speaker 1: will not be fully paid for with new tax revenue.

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Speaker 1: So they're basically saying, hey, listen, I hope all you

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Speaker 1: guys are still forward in the coalition, but this is

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Speaker 1: what we're facing right now. So the director of the

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Speaker 1: nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office set on Monday that the IRS

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Speaker 1: proposal would yield far less than what the White House

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Speaker 1: was counting on to help pay for its bill, about

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Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty billion dollars over a decade, versus

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Speaker 1: the White House said, listen, this is four hundred billion

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Speaker 1: that we're counting on. So this is the look. It's

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Speaker 1: the accounting tricks, if you will, that the White House

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Speaker 1: used to try say he's fully paid for. It's fully

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Speaker 1: paid for, honestly, And I'm curious see what you think

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Speaker 1: of this. I find the whole conversation a little silly anyway,

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Speaker 1: because the same people who were demanding that this bill

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Speaker 1: back better bill be deficit neutral are the same people

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Speaker 1: who just voted for an infrastructure bill, the traditional infrastructure bill,

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Speaker 1: which added about two hundred and fifty billion dollars to

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Speaker 1: the deficit. So it just seems like they're looking for

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Speaker 1: anything they possibly can. The corporate wing of the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 1: like I want it to, but I can. The other

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Speaker 1: thing is inflation, joins, Oh my god, there's inflation. Now

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Speaker 1: I can't do it. Well, what he doesn't tell you

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Speaker 1: is inflation is because of the supply chain. It's not

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Speaker 1: necessarily because of the big spending. So they he has

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Speaker 1: that mistaken belief or he knows it's not true, but

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Speaker 1: he's using that as the excuse because he didn't want

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Speaker 1: to vote for it anyway. Yeah, Chrystal and I were

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Speaker 1: talking about this at the time. The biggest foolish, the

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Speaker 1: most foolish thing of the progressives did is they said, well,

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Speaker 1: we're going to vote for it, pending the CBO score

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Speaker 1: for our modern colleagues, and Chrystal and were like, I've

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Speaker 1: been around town for a while. I remember. Here's what

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Speaker 1: happened during the tax cuts and jobs ACKed of twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: The Republicans were like the CBO score. The CBO came

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Speaker 1: out and scored it as way less, deficit neutral or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Then they said and they said, screw the CBO, we

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Speaker 1: don't care. And then they just published their own report

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Speaker 1: from like the Joint tom Committee on Taxation or whatever,

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Speaker 1: saying that it was and then they just passed it saying, actually,

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Speaker 1: this is all that really matters. I knew and I

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Speaker 1: think Crystal did as well, that the CBO, the Congressional

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Speaker 1: Budget Office, which does this scoring, was not necessarily going

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Speaker 1: to score it in the way that the White House wanted.

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Speaker 1: They almost never do, that's their job, by the way.

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Speaker 1: And so when you have that happen now, Joe Manchin,

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Speaker 1: Kirson Cinema and others have the out if they want it.

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Speaker 1: If they want it, right Kyle So or at the

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Speaker 1: very least, what they can say is, well, that's what

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Speaker 1: how much is that three two hundred and eighty billion?

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Speaker 1: Now strip that's going to be So they're going to

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Speaker 1: point to a program and just bay kill it gone.

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Speaker 1: And that's going to be the one thing you know,

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Speaker 1: necessarily that a donor maybe want it out or you know,

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Speaker 1: they were opposed to or whatever in the first place.

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Speaker 1: And that is just the two hundred billion that we

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Speaker 1: know of on the IRS proposal. There is no guarantee

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Speaker 1: that they score some of their other taxes in the

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Speaker 1: same way. This is really important for people understand a

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Speaker 1: lot of the money and stuff that they say, unless

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Speaker 1: it's verified by somebody like the Tax Foundation or whatever,

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01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: don't believe a word of what they say because they

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Speaker 1: gain it and try and make it apply to more

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Speaker 1: people than it might. Necessarily, their job is to actually

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Speaker 1: make it look how it actually would in practice. But

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Speaker 1: you know, to the deficit politics, Look, you're right, I

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Speaker 1: mean on nobody cares no, but that step is a

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Speaker 1: spending right, you know, the Iraq war, Afghanistan, Oh is

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Speaker 1: all good. Will borrow as much money as possible. Whenever

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Speaker 1: comes of social spending. Oh, everybody cares about the death

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Speaker 1: sit again, So I agree, it's predicted. It is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: And the way the media discusses this is so incredibly

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Speaker 1: dishonest because when they talk about military spending, they give

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Speaker 1: you what it is annually. They give you that number

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Speaker 1: when they were talking about Bill back better And I'm

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Speaker 1: guilty of this as well. I didn't realize this until

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Speaker 1: after the fact when they said that three point five

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Speaker 1: trillion dollar number. That was over a decade, And so

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Speaker 1: it shows they're like subtly gaming the way that you

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Speaker 1: interpret these things. And bottom line is listen, progressives got

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01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: totally played. And I said on my show, I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: even vote for this one point seventy five trillion dollar

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Speaker 1: package period. The only way I would vote for that

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01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:47,959
Speaker 1: is if progressives also got commitments from Biden on executive orders.

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Speaker 1: So I think the bill was so watered down, so ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: As we discussed today, it's even more ridiculous than I

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Speaker 1: had realized. The fact that now there's tax cuts for

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Speaker 1: the wealthy in there, and now we're talking about, you know,

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Speaker 1: a childcare sys him. That's basically a complete scam. So

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Speaker 1: I look at it, I say, there's no way I'm

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Speaker 1: voting for that. The only way I would have is

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01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: if Joe Biden signed an executive order to abolish student debt,

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Speaker 1: which of course he's not going to do, if Joe

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01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: Biden signed an executive order to free every non violent

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Speaker 1: drug offender in the entire country, sign an executive order

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Speaker 1: to change marijuana from schedule in the schedule five. I

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Speaker 1: would have given Joe Biden a list of like ten

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Speaker 1: things and said, listen, here my demands. I will not

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Speaker 1: vote for this as a left congress person unless you

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Speaker 1: meet this. Don't even come talk to me unless you're

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Speaker 1: gonna do some of these things. And progressives not only

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Speaker 1: didn't do that, they didn't stick by their original word

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Speaker 1: of we're gonna keep the bills linked together. Twice they

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Speaker 1: did that. But then finally, when there's just a little

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Speaker 1: bit of pressure, Joe Manchin gives a press conference and

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Speaker 1: wags his finger at them. They're like, Okay, you're right,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna delink them, and we're gonna trust that Biden

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Speaker 1: got them behind the scenes to do the right thing,

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Speaker 1: even though publicly Mansion was like, I am not going

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Speaker 1: to do the right thing. I'm not in favorite of

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Speaker 1: this bill. I still can't believe that they did that.

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Speaker 1: I honestly think it's crazy that they just buckled so

1332
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Speaker 1: openly and they're like, yeah, but the CBO will come forward.

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Speaker 1: It was like, are you crazy? I mean, are you

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01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: look a novice here? Any basic observer of general legislative

1335
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: politics could have told you that this was gonna happen.

1336
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Speaker 1: It happens to every single bill. They get scored in

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01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: a way the outside of the partisan system. That's how

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Speaker 1: it works. So look, I'm glad you picked this. It

1339
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: is very important. It just goes to show you, like

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01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: both how full of it they were in their promise

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01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: and a big preview of what's to come from what

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing on the calendar. This thing is still very

1343
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: far from actually coming to passage in terms of the

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Speaker 1: legislative stuff. Could be looking well into December, not before Thanksgiving,

1345
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 1: and that's a lot of time. The more time you have,

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01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: the more stuff that gets chopped, the closer you get

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Speaker 1: to some Christmas deadline vote where people are forced to

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Speaker 1: vote for it in the House. And there we go.

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Speaker 1: So all right, we got a great guest standing by

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Speaker 1: Jonah Furman. Let's get to it. Joining us now, our

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Speaker 1: old friend Jonah Furman from Labor Notes. He covers everything

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Speaker 1: that's going on with the unions and the big strike,

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01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: the big strikes, it strikes giving some people are saying

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Speaker 1: out there on Twitter. So Jonah, we wanted to bring

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Speaker 1: you on for an update here around what is happening

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Speaker 1: with IATZI, which are many of these of these workers

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Speaker 1: in Hollywood who operate the cameras and more. They had voted,

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Speaker 1: I believe, to authorize a strike. Then they called it

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Speaker 1: off because they were offered a new contract. And now

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Speaker 1: we have a development in terms of what exactly has

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Speaker 1: happened with the contract itself. Let's put this up there

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Speaker 1: on the screen. The majority of the voters actually voted

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Speaker 1: against the new agreement, but by the way the delegate

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Speaker 1: system works, it was actually ratified by the delegates, so

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Speaker 1: technically the contract has passed as acceptable. Tell us what's

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Speaker 1: going on here? This seems crazy to me, Yeah it is.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy. It's not unheard of. But basically,

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Speaker 1: IATSI was negotiating two big contracts collectively covering about sixty

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Speaker 1: thousand film and TV workers, and you know, they hold

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Speaker 1: a ratification vote that in most cases means majority rules.

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Speaker 1: If a majority of the members accept it, then it

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Speaker 1: passes and it's the new union contract for the next

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Speaker 1: three years. If a majority reject it, you know, it

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Speaker 1: goes down and they have to renegotiate or go on strike.

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Speaker 1: What we saw here is that AYATSI has a peculiar

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Speaker 1: delegate system that works basically like the electoral college, that

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Speaker 1: made it possible for a majority of the people who

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Speaker 1: are going to work under this contract to say no,

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Speaker 1: we don't want it, we want you to renegotiate it.

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Speaker 1: And yet this is now the new contract because of

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Speaker 1: you know, essentially a majority of locals said yes, even

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Speaker 1: though a majority of workers did not say yes. So

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Speaker 1: it's very interesting to see that we will now have

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Speaker 1: a union contract that the majority of the workers under

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Speaker 1: it have actually said they didn't want. Wow, So what

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Speaker 1: was the percentage of the vote and what are the

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Speaker 1: terms of the deal. They're questionable. Well, so on the

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Speaker 1: second question, the big terms of the deal, the thing

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Speaker 1: people talk about the most is the turnaround time. Right, So,

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Speaker 1: if you work in film and TV, you are working

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Speaker 1: these insanely long days, and they wanted minimum to and

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Speaker 1: around times. I've heard different numbers, but twelve hours fourteen

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Speaker 1: hours basically meaning the time you get between having to

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Speaker 1: report back to work. So saying a twelve hour turnaround

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Speaker 1: means they're limited to a twelve hour work day, which

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Speaker 1: is you know, it's not like we fought for the

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Speaker 1: eight hour day for one hundred and fifty years. So

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Speaker 1: that was one big issue. There was also some questions around,

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Speaker 1: you know, how pensions are funded and more in the

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Speaker 1: weeds things. But in terms of percentage, it was really narrow.

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Speaker 1: It was something like fifty point two percent of the

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Speaker 1: popular vote rejected the big contract and something like fifty

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01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 1: one or fifty two percent of the delegates you know,

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Speaker 1: affirmed the contract. So it's all above board. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: rigged it's just an undemocratic system that has these, you know,

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Speaker 1: outcomes that are unfavorable to the rank and file members.

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Speaker 1: I'll also say that, you know, people say, oh, you

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Speaker 1: should get involved and change the system if you want.

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Speaker 1: A lot of these folks are first time activated because

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Speaker 1: there's something on the table, like a strike that they're

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01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: really excited about, and suddenly they're learning their first big

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01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 1: experience with their union is actually majority doesn't rule, and

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Speaker 1: even though you know you wanted to turn it down,

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Speaker 1: that's not how it went. Yeah, well, welcome democracy. Folks,

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Speaker 1: hopefully get involved a little bit in terms of how

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Speaker 1: this stuff works. The other one that we wanted to

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Speaker 1: talk about with you, Jonah, is some remarkable polling. Let's

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Speaker 1: put this up there on the screen from the Des

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Speaker 1: Moines Register in Iowa that Iowans favor the UAW members

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Speaker 1: over John Deere executives by a three two one margin.

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Speaker 1: I don't think, Jonah, that we have seen public support

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Speaker 1: for unions and striking members like this in what like

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Speaker 1: seventy years in the public square. I think it's amazing. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, one thing I would note about this poll

1425
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Speaker 1: is it happened after they rejected the second agreement. So

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of very good this sort of

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Speaker 1: if you're following the ins and outs to this, there

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Speaker 1: was a first agreement that was rejected by the John

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Speaker 1: Deere workers. Then they doubled the rays offer and short

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Speaker 1: up the pensions, and then member rejected it again. And

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of handring about, Oh, people are going

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Speaker 1: to think we're greedy if we don't accept this, you know,

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Speaker 1: this ten percent raise. Clearly that's not the case. The

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Speaker 1: public is with these workers, and far more than you know,

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01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: it's ten thousand workers, which is a lot, but it's

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Speaker 1: not like that's the whole population of Iowa. Not everyone

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01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 1: has a relative ajoundear that they're supporting. There's just a

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01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,720
Speaker 1: mood that, you know, we think corporate America has gone

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01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 1: too far, and we stand with the union members fighting back. Right.

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Speaker 1: I covered that second proposal and I jumped the gun

1441
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 1: a little bit. I guess that the workers would accept it,

1442
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 1: and I was wrong, And I thought, well, hey, look

1443
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:37,600
Speaker 1: this is a win. Look at all the victories we

1444
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 1: got here. So where is that negotiation at right now?

1445
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 1: And are they drawing a hard line on the pre

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01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven structure? So right now basically tomorrow on Wednesday,

1447
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 1: we will see the vote on the new agreement, which

1448
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 1: is really you know, the union called it the same

1449
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 1: agreement with modest modifications. It does provide a little bit

1450
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,720
Speaker 1: more money for a small group of the workers. And

1451
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: the question is will workers basically say Okay, this strike

1452
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 1: has gone long enough and will consolidate our gains. I

1453
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: think the big thing to note about the Deer strike

1454
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 1: is between the first and second contract, they went from

1455
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 1: defense to offense. So they were defending against a bad

1456
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 1: contract that would kill the pension for new hires, that

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01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: was going to provide sub inflation raises. They rejected it

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01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 1: and said, actually, we're going to go on the march.

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01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 1: We're going to get what we actually deserve. The question

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01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 1: really is one of strategy. Is do members think that

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01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 1: if they keep striking now they can win more or

1462
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 1: do they sort of take the company at their word

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01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,640
Speaker 1: that this really is the final offer. What's interesting is

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01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 1: they rejected the second one and the company said that

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01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 1: was our last offer, and then within a week they

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Speaker 1: were back at the negotiating table and adding sweeteners. So

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Speaker 1: it's pretty unclear like what the calculus here is for

1468
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 1: rank and foul members. Can they get more from the

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Speaker 1: company Either way, it's a massive win. I mean a

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01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: ten percent wage increase in the first year and saving

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Speaker 1: the pension for all new hires. These are not things

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Speaker 1: we're used to seeing in the twenty first century private

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01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 1: sector labor movement. We are not used to seeing it

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Speaker 1: at all. So don'na tell me. Are people taking note

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01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: of the public support of the solidarity that people are

1476
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: showing out there and thinking about going on even more

1477
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 1: strikes right now? I mean that's part of it. For

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01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 1: the Deer workers. You talk to them and they say,

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01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 1: is the public going to turn on us? You know,

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Speaker 1: John Deeer is taking out ads in the local papers

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Speaker 1: and local media essentially trying to sell the public on

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Speaker 1: the idea that the workers are being greedy and it's

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Speaker 1: not working. So I don't know what that means for this,

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Speaker 1: you know, final vote, if it's the final voter, if

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Speaker 1: it means they're going to keep going, I will say

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Speaker 1: more broadly, you know, there's clearly workers are taking note

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Speaker 1: of it. They're saying, look, the Deer workers are striking,

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Speaker 1: the Kellogg workers are striking, and it's not the public

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Speaker 1: turning on them. I mean the corporations are of course

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Speaker 1: turning the screws, but I don't think there's a feeling that,

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Speaker 1: you know, we've run out of runway in terms of

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Speaker 1: public support for this kind of stuff. Yeah. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: always great having you Jonah. We really appreciate your analysis

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Speaker 1: and your updates. Appreciate you very joining us very much.

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Speaker 1: Christal was sad that she couldn't be here today, so

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Speaker 1: thanks Matt. Yeah, thanks for having me on. Absolutely. Thank

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Speaker 1: you guys so much for watching. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: to aim beef up our updates. But even more importantly,

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Speaker 1: Premium link is down there. Description special thank you to

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Speaker 1: Kyle for stepping in for Crystal last minute. Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much, mate. It was my absolute pleasure doing a

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Speaker 1: show with you. Was just as fun as I thought

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Speaker 1: it would be, and I hope everybody out there enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: Crystal will be back soon, so don't worry. I said

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Speaker 1: the same thing. When I'm sitting in your chair, I

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Speaker 1: said the same thing. Guys, It's okay. He'll be back

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Speaker 1: very short. Please tolerate me for a day. But if

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