WEBVTT - Mariners checkup with Ryan Divish + Marlins checkup with Isaac Azout 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:05.120 You're right for the Seattle Times. His name is Ryan 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:07.400 Divish and he's back on FT run. Great to have 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:08.880 you back on man Good to see you. What do 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:11.799 you have for us? To me, this sounds like the 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.560 classic case of a fan base that is losing their minds. 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:16.560 And then I'm on the outside looking in being like, yeah, 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:18.560 the Manners are fine. They'll eventually hit a ten game 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:21.160 win streak and take the division, and they've got good pitching. 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:22.840 But you tell me what you're seeing to. 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:27.520 Try to not get like two connected to the every day. 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:28.800 You're right, it's like. 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:33.159 With every win, it's all this team's got all the 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:34.920 potential to get to the World Series. 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:37.839 And then with every loss, it's like blow it up DFA. 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:42.440 Everyone my Twitter mentions turn into Lord of the Flies. 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:45.800 They start blaming me for not asking you tough enough questions. 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:48.320 I don't know, it's all. It's all kind of one deal. 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:51.440 But I think that's like any fan base. You know, 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.240 it's hard to see the ten thousand foot view or 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:58.000 the macro because in the day to day you see 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.080 the every day and you're just every game and trying 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:03.840 to win every game. And that's I think, you know, 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:06.400 the balance the front office has to look at the 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:09.920 overall view, whereas like you know, Dan Wilson and then 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:12.000 the coaching staff and then fans can look at the 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:15.440 everyday view. But like the team is underachieved, I don't 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:17.640 think anybody would sit there and say that it hasn't 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:20.120 given what they have, given the amount of talent on 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:23.360 the roster, give them the expectations. You know, they're they're 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:27.720 right around five hundred, which when you're right around five hundred, 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:29.479 makes you really good in the American League and really 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:31.800 good in the American League West. But I have yet 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:35.600 to see a stretch of maybe well the fifteen games 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:39.679 where I thought they played quality, consistent baseball. I just 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.119 haven't seen it for any number of reasons, whether it's 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:43.400 poor performance or injuries. 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:46.360 I'm gonna tell you. I mean, I agree with Scott. 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:48.760 I think this team is good enough to make the playoffs, 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:51.280 blah blah blah. But as a fan, can you blame 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:53.680 the fans they watched them in the playoffs last year. 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:58.560 Are they seeing the exact same team offensively? Because we 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:00.640 know what they can do pitching? But I think the 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:04.320 exact same team offensively, and that's what fans are Leary 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.160 of like, oh, we're just gonna waste our money on 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:08.760 some playoff tickets that won't end in a World Series. 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:12.239 Yeah, I mean I could, Like I usually don't tell 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:14.799 fans how to be fans because I'm not really won 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:19.960 anymore other than it's University of Montana football. But like, yeah, 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:23.200 I mean, like the difference with this team right now 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:25.800 is the catcher isn't on pace. They hit sixty home 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.080 runs like he was last year, you know, eighty one games. 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:30.600 In the last year, Cal Realy had like thirty four homers, 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:33.840 and like that's the difference. You know, he's he's he 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.839 started off slow, then he got hurt. You know, he's 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:40.680 working his way back, and Brendan Donovan's playing in like 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:44.400 twenty five games. I mean, like, the offense isn't good, 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:46.799 and there are a lot of different reasons for it, 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:50.920 but really it's you know, and it's not like some 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:52.880 people blame Rob Ruthsninder on the roster. 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:56.000 No, it's it's their best players haven't. 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:58.440 Been consistently producing as good as Julio was in the 0:02:58.440 --> 0:02:59.800 month of May hitting ten homers. 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.000 You know, you look at his overall numbers, where he's at. 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:05.120 Eighty some games into the season, he's pretty much on 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:07.640 track with where he's been the last few years, which 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:09.519 means he'll probably get hot here in another week or 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.720 so and then put up really big numbers. But yeah, 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.600 it's fans have every right to be upset because they 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:17.280 just they haven't performed well. 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:19.840 It's an execution issue as much. 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:20.400 As it is. 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:23.080 Personnel or anything like. 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:25.680 There's been some injuries and such, but it's just execution, 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:28.320 even like with the pitching staff, as good as the 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:31.000 pitching staff has been, and it's been outstanding, Like, you 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.040 don't look at the pitching staff right now say, oh, 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.960 there's a genuine All Star candidate. I mean, Logan Gilbert's 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:38.280 had some rough stretches, George Kirby's had some rough stretches, 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.800 Brian lou has struggled on the road. Then you have 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:47.000 Bryce Miller and Louis Castillo doing a little bit of 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:49.240 that piggyback thing. And you throw on Emerson Hancock, who 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:51.840 has been probably their best, their most consistent guy, but 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.480 even he's had a couple of hiccups. So I think there, 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:56.880 I think they're still really solid, and like if you 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.720 look at a team that's with the talent that they have, 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:02.720 you know, and they will get Brendan Naunovan back at 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:05.440 some point, and you look at the rest of the 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:07.760 league you think, Okay, yeah, they have yet to play 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:10.920 consistent baseball, and at some point the law of averages 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:13.960 says they will play consistent baseball. So you still like 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.800 their chances because they haven't played their way out of it. 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:19.600 Like as poorly as they have played, they've hovered right 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.120 around five hundred, and they've been able to just kind 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.320 of stay right there. And being in a bad league 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:26.560 and a bad division helps. But you know, you can 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:30.080 only play what the schedule says. And really, if you 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.640 get into the postseason. 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:34.200 And win the division, that's really the ultimate goal to 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:34.680 start with. 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:37.280 And then because you can't, you can't win the World 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:39.040 Series without getting the posseason. So I think they're still 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:40.760 in line to win the division, which sets them up 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:41.279 for everything. 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:45.000 All right, Ryan, you got to put on your coaching hat, okay, 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:48.479 because you said Cal's regression. I said before the year, 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:51.200 Cal is going to regress by a lot of home runs. 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:55.080 He could still hit forty before the year, because you 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:57.280 just don't hit sixty home runs as a catcher, like 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.240 it's that would be regression of twenty home runs. But 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:04.320 what have you seen from Cal besides the stretch where 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:09.520 he's clearly playing through an injury. Is something in his execution, 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:13.279 his approach. Is it something that maybe he's still dealing 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:17.760 with to have this few good at bats. I mean 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:21.400 everything offensively is down for Cal. 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:27.040 Extremely Yeah, it's I look at it kind of was waves. 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:30.039 I think he came back from the BBC and he 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:33.320 wasn't comfortable and he didn't play. He had nine tole 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:36.200 at bats in the WBC, And you guys have talked 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:36.560 about this. 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:37.760 I've talked about it, but like. 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:41.880 They, you know, part of the WBC isn't just the games, 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:43.039 it's the daily work. 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:43.640 You know. 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.240 Cal's the guy that we get to the Green Spring 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:48.400 Tree and gets to the clubhouse at like five in 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:50.760 the morning for thirty five in the morning, does all 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:53.520 his work, you know, lifts, gets all his extra stuff in, 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.560 you know, then does game or does minor league games, 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:58.839 gets as a bats. So he's putting in a twelve 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.800 hour day at the field. When you're at the WBC, 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.479 you don't have a field. You share the stadium with 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:06.320 the other team, so you're getting like two hours of 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.760 work in maybe, and I think that was that was 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:10.680 what he didn't like. 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:12.400 And I think part of it was he. 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:16.359 Got back and he got back from the WBC, and 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:20.040 he was like me in college or kidness at Arizona State, 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.000 right before finals is coming up, You're trying to learn 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:25.000 an entire semester in three days. He was trying to 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:26.960 you know, he's trying to learn. He was trying to 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.280 get back all that he missed in three or four days. 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.880 And I do think that maybe predisposed him to the 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:32.800 oblique issues. 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.280 But he just couldn't find that timing. And I think 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:36.200 there is some pressure. 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:39.159 You know, he has a high level responsibility of the team, 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:42.039 the team's success, and he wasn't producing, and I think 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:43.800 that frustrated him. And we saw him get out of 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.679 his approach. Then you have the oblique issues. Now he's back. 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:50.080 You know, obliques don't just go away within a month. 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:52.320 I mean something he's gonna have to deal with all year. 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:56.359 I do think like he was chasing out of the zone, 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.320 you know, kind of going after some pitches. They were 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.440 attacking him up and in I thought against when he's 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:04.640 batting left handed and he was still trying to catch 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:07.520 that pitch out front. It just wasn't there, The timing 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:09.960 wasn't there. We've seen him take some walks of late 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:11.800 and starting to drive the ball the other way. I 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:14.200 think that's the big thing, you know, getting away from 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:16.280 that approach. His mentality is always to hit the ball 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:18.840 as hard as he can over the batter's eye. And 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.040 what that does is it gets him on time to 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:23.880 pull the ball when he's supposed to, whether that's on 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:26.560 a hanging breaking ball, or he's on time enough to 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:28.840 catch that fastball in the inner half that maybe isn't 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:32.040 end quite enough to really pull it. But you know, 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:34.800 hitters are human, and they get out of their approach, 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.520 they start chasing the result instead of chasing the good 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:37.840 at bat. 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:38.880 And he's admit as much. 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:41.040 So you know, last night he got a single the 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.200 right He's had some more walks. I think that's the 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:46.200 one big thing is don't chase pitchers around the strike zone. 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:48.400 You know, you're just going to have to be stubborn 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.960 to an approach, and if that doesn't yield the immediate results, 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.280 you want, so be it. 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Do they go because 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.000 you got a lot of pitching while you said they've better, 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:29.959 you're achieving, But what piece do they go out and 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:30.960 get that helps them the most? 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:31.160 Here? 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:31.360 Then? 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.719 Yeah, I would never talk bad about Arizona State and 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.280 the fine academic institution that it is. 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.920 I mean, you know, I mean it's the junior college 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:45.760 of the Big twelve. Basically easy. 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.400 I mean like it should be the greatest, it should 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:50.160 be the greatest recruiting advantage ever. 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:51.360 I've been to mill Avenue. 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.040 It should be the easiest and greatest recruiting advantage ever. 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:56.080 But I think that's the problem is it's a little 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:59.680 too much fun. I think they like obviously it's easy 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:01.719 to say they need another bat. They need a right 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:05.560 handed bat. They really struggle against left handed pitching. It's 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:09.360 been obvious, but I don't know that it's like how 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.800 they fit that in will be interesting. Would probably be 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:16.360 an outfielder most likely. You know, they're pretty heavy on 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:20.400 position players, like especially when Donovan comes back and if 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:21.680 other guys stay healthy. 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:23.120 They really need a reliever. 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:24.880 Matt Brash is not going to be back to right 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:28.040 about I would say the trade deadline, him and Cooper Criswell, 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:30.440 and they're missing a leverage arm and they were going 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:32.959 to go get a right handed leverage arm anyways before 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:35.640 Brash got hurt. They're trying to build this pan out 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:39.760 into something really, you know, you know, really just like a. 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:41.079 Dominant, lockdown bullpen. 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.800 But they don't, you know, they need a right handed 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:47.560 reliever to work that seventh or eighth inning. There isn't 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:48.719 a ton of them out there. Like I heard you 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:51.079 guys talking about the trade market and stuff. You know, 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.280 there's only a handful of teams right now that are sellers. 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.000 You know. I heard Kim mentioned Taylor Ward. Would he 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:57.439 fit with the Marriors. Absolutely. 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.240 It's weird though, like the Orioles in the maryor there's 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:04.600 had so many fits over the last few Oh, that's wow, 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:06.160 that's amazing. 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:07.920 That's really amazing. 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.360 The Mariners and the Orioles have had so many fits 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.680 trade wise, it's never happened. 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.360 Well, it's just like the starting pitching and stuff like that. 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:20.839 You know, what would the Marriors go off their major 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:23.520 league roster to get Taylor Ward? Would they or would 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:25.840 they send a pitching prospect because like in years past, 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.480 we always thought that maybe Bryce Miller would end up 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:31.480 in Baltimore for one of their position players, you know, 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.480 and it never happened. And you know, so that that 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.920 that it hasn't happened. I don't really foresee it happening 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:39.520 with Taylor Ward. I mean some people have mentioned, say 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:41.760 as a zuki because like the Cubs, he's going to 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:43.839 be a free agent. Like a right handing hitting a 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:46.959 bat outfielder would help the Mariners, but I think their 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:50.880 priority right now is to add a reliever, and you 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:52.320 know that's that's the biggest one. 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:54.440 But a right handed bat would help them in some way. 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:58.760 Like they're so left handed dominant and they need to 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:02.200 find a way. Maybe it is right now, like I 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.599 think they're gonna play dom Canzone against left he's just 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:06.839 a little bit more than they have because he's been 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.240 okay against them, and he's a true power source for them. 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.800 I mean, like you look at this team. They've been 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:12.439 They were in. 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:15.920 First place for over a month in the West, and 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:20.520 that's with cal really not doing anything, Randy carrying most 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:22.720 of it, and then they're relying on guys like Luke Rayley, 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.440 Tom Canzone and Cole Young to carry a lot of 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:27.720 the offensive burdens. So if they can kind of get going, 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.559 I think that's the bigger key. But they'll they'll look 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:33.400 it's Jerry Depoto. They're gonna be aggressive. It's just like 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.079 the known needs aren't as simple as last year. Like 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.240 last year when they went into the deadline, it was like, look, 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.480 they need a first basement in a third baseman, and 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:43.280 Suarez and Naylor happened to be out there, so it 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:46.040 was an easy fix. This year, it's a little bit 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:49.800 more complicated with how their roster is built. But the 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:52.199 easiest fixed or the easiest the most glaring need is 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.560 as a right handed reliever that can get some swing 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:54.920 and miss. 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:55.800 Now, whether that's. 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:59.240 Lucas Ersag or somebody like that, that's probably what they're 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:01.080 gonna do, all. 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:03.680 Right, Ryan, So I'm gonna kind of hit a double 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:07.200 sided question here. It's about the piggyback that you had mentioned, 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:11.080 the piggyback system whatever. First of all, did they all 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.880 truly agree to that? Did you? Did you delve more 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:17.920 into that? And are they able to trade from that piggyback? 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.080 And that's why they're doing it because they don't want 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:25.040 to put X Pitcher in the pen and say, well 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.400 he's a reliever, we're not going to get as much, 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:30.559 so we're just going to keep them all starters till 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:31.440 the trade deadline. 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.079 Yeah, I mean, like the I don't know if they 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:37.480 all agreed to it. 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:41.000 It was kind of like, you know, they're they were 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:45.079 given different plans and they all agreed on one plan. 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:46.920 I mean, I think they were all, Hey, this is 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:49.040 we're going to piggyback, or we're going to go six man, 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.120 or we're going to do something. We're not sending one 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:53.520 of you guys to the bullpen, which is nobody wanted either. 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:59.040 So they agreed on like the best possible scenario. I 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:01.800 guess it's like it's like for me, if you gave 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:05.480 me three vegetables, I had to eat, I would pick 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:07.480 whatever one I could dump enough ranch on not to 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:09.800 taste it like. And that's I think what the Mariners 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:13.000 starters look at like they Okay, well there, here's all 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:14.480 the scenarios, and we're going to do this. 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:17.800 And you're right, the underlying thing is is keeping. 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:20.200 Them all stretched out, because the value is isn't having 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:23.360 stretched out starters. Now, whether that's a picture gets injured 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.680 and you can just slot the other one in, or yes, 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:29.360 maybe moving one of those guys in the trade, you know, 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:32.200 whether it's Louis Castillo, who everybody says is the most 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:35.680 logical option, that's one thing you could do, Like could 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:39.040 they move Louis Castillo for that right handed bat with 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.840 a contract Castillo's of money this year and next year? 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:45.000 You know, similar like with Matt Chapman who's owed a 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:47.160 lot of money. Can you swap the major league contracts? 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:49.200 Make that work? But you can't. 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:50.920 Those guys lose all their. 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.240 Value if they're not stretched out, you know, I mean, 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:55.840 especially to a team that's trying to contend or wants 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.240 them right now you're trading for a major league star, 0:14:58.320 --> 0:14:59.840 or you want them to be able to start. So 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.880 that is the underlying factor in all of this is 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:06.760 keeping everybody stretched out. And you would say, well, what 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.600 happens if you trade a starter and then somebody gets hurt. Well, 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.320 the Mariners have Kate Anderson down at double A who 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:14.240 is carving up double A, so they can go in 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:17.000 that route. And they also have Ryan Sloan, who's probably 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.680 the best right handed pitching prospect in baseball down in 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.680 double A, who is moving up and it seems to 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:25.960 be on an accelerated pace as well. So yeah, that's 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:30.480 I think the underlying reason for the piggyback. It's a 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.880 strategy that you're doing for a long term benefit of staying, 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:37.200 keeping guys stretch out or making a move, and that's 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:39.480 what you have to remember when in the short term 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:41.600 it probably irritates everyone involved. 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:46.280 Have you had a chance to uh talk to him 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:48.040 or hear any of the fallout kind of from this 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:52.040 Nailer and Hedges incident from last time? 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.560 Not really, I mean, like, you know, Josh, I saw 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.040 Josh talking with Manny Act a little bit probably about 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:05.040 the situation, and like we joke with Josh when he 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:08.360 walked by. Josh, we like you you know, like because 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:10.800 like literally nobody likes you. Well, we like him, you know, 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:15.440 I mean he's entertaining guy. I just think that's who 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:17.840 Josh is as a player. He is going to try 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:20.320 and get under his opponent's skin. We saw that this 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:24.360 year in Detroit. You know, the sticking the elbow up 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.120 to get hit by the curve ball. I mean, that's 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:30.200 not uncommon in baseball. I mean you, I mean, you're 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:33.920 in a college game. That's what you do. But like 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.000 just I think they were irritated too when he did 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.280 the deck in front of Rochio and the ground ball 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.600 and Rokio threw it into the stands. You know, he 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:43.760 was staring at Josh like what are you doing. Josh 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:47.120 will take every single advantage to beat you, and he 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:51.240 makes you know, he gives zero apologies for it. Like 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:53.960 I watched a game where he played against his brother. 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:58.000 He didn't speak to him the entire time Oh got 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.840 to first base. Josh never spoke to him. It was crazy, 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:02.720 But that's what he's trying to do. He's trying to 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:06.000 beat you. He doesn't care if you like him or not. 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:09.480 He makes no apologies. He's a lot like aj you know, 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:13.359 I mean, like it's like Osny Gihan said about aj 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.480 when you when you play against him, when you really 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:17.280 you really hate him, and when he's on your team, 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:18.159 you hate him. 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:18.760 Just a little less. 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:21.160 I mean, like I think I do think Josh's teammates 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.399 really like him. I do think they, but you know, 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:24.960 I'm sure they kind of look at him going damn, 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:25.680 what are you doing here? 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:25.920 Bro? 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.720 But that's you know, that's how he plays. That's he needs. 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:32.880 I think he needs to operate on that edge for success. 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:35.840 I thought he played really well in the Guardian series, 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:40.440 and I mean, if you been around the Guardians, there's 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:42.760 a reason why Josh played really well in that series 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.000 because he's trying to get back at them. Didn't like 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:47.520 the organization, didn't like how he was treated, didn't think 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:49.720 he was fair how they treated at some of his teammates. 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:51.439 So he's going to try and get back at him 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:53.080 and show them what they missed out on. I mean, like, 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.400 that's if that's what you need to operate on the edge, 0:17:56.480 --> 0:18:00.240 or to find that kind of motivation to go out 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.399 there and really give the extra you know, to find 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.040 that success, and that's what you do. I mean, it's 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:08.679 like Michael Jordan thinking every player in the world that 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:10.639