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Speaker 1: M Hey everybody, I'm Robert Evans and this is once

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Speaker 1: again Behind the Bastards, the show where we tell you

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Speaker 1: everything you don't know about the very worst people in

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Speaker 1: all of history. And with me today in this special

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Speaker 1: San Francisco City by the Bay episode of Behind the

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Speaker 1: Bastards is Sean Riley, also known as Sean Baby. It's

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Speaker 1: a pleasure to be here. I had to check up

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Speaker 1: on your last name because I've only ever known you

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Speaker 1: with Sean Baby. It is Riley. Yeah, Sean Patrick Riley

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Speaker 1: got because you know, my dad, it was his turn

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Speaker 1: to name the kids and he really wanted an Irish name,

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Speaker 1: so he said triple the Irish. Sean Riley is very

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Speaker 1: Irish and adding a Patrick in there just too much, exceptionally,

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Speaker 1: so it's too much. Well, we are talking about the

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Speaker 1: opposite of an Irish person today, Steven Seagal, we have

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Speaker 1: cans of wine. Is not normal, not normal normally, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be your first drunken Irish guest. Drunken Irish. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we did a really drunk one at Unite the Right too,

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Speaker 1: But anyway, we're just gonna dive right in here to

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Speaker 1: our story about Steven Seagal. God, I can't wait now.

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Speaker 1: If you all remember Steven Seagal kind of mediocre, bordering

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Speaker 1: Siege on Deadly Ground. Yeah, what on Deadly Ground is

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Speaker 1: not so great? No? No, no, no, understieges all right,

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Speaker 1: we're talking hard to kill, Yeah, hard to kill above

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Speaker 1: the law, above the law. Hard Target was a Jean

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Speaker 1: You don't we should talk about Jean Claude Van Name

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Speaker 1: for three hours. Well, the thing about Steven Seagal, I

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Speaker 1: suspect a lot of people listening to this might be

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Speaker 1: surprised that Steven Seagal has been picked as a subject

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Speaker 1: for this, And I want to ensure everyone up front.

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Speaker 1: He's a monster. And that's part of what's so important

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Speaker 1: to talk about in a day, because honestly, you can

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Speaker 1: kind of tell from his movies like There seemed to

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Speaker 1: be made by a very insecure man. I know if

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Speaker 1: never taken a shot. Steven Seagal movies are just him,

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Speaker 1: like just walking through his enemies. Oh yeah, yeah, no

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Speaker 1: he's not. It's not like a Bruce Willis thing where

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be shot and choked and eat up. And

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Speaker 1: he's just I'm the toughest guy that's ever been. And

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Speaker 1: even when he made The Glimmerman and like Keenan every

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Speaker 1: Wayne's had all these funny lines, He's like, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I should these funny lines too, and so like there's

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Speaker 1: two funny man. There's no straight guy in that movie

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Speaker 1: except Steven Seagal, you know, has no comic timing and

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Speaker 1: he sort of sucks, but like again, walks through everybody

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Speaker 1: and you have a you have a knife, Steven Seagal

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Speaker 1: has nothing. You're so dead, Like ten seconds into that fight,

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Speaker 1: times and make a heroic come back. That's a story. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's an arc. There's no arcs and Steven Seagal movies.

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Speaker 1: The arc is just Steven Seagal is a badass. There

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Speaker 1: are people opposed to him and then they're dead. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Um so. Stephen Frederick Seagal, or well, Stephen Frederick Siegel

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Speaker 1: nine two. On his personal website Steven Seagal dot com,

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Speaker 1: he describes his early life vast lee. A son of

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Speaker 1: a math teacher and a medical technician, Stephen's humble childhood

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Speaker 1: was underscored by a fascination with the martial arts and

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Speaker 1: the blues. Some would say that this is a strange combination,

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Speaker 1: accurate that is to what he claims about his training

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Speaker 1: according to the Guardian, Stephen began studying a keto when

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Speaker 1: This was because young Stephen Segal was actually the reincarnation

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Speaker 1: Probably the best source I've been able to find on

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Speaker 1: Siegel's early life was a November article in People magazine,

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Speaker 1: the family moved to Fullerton, California, when he was five.

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Speaker 1: Here's a quote from that article. Although Segal likes to

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Speaker 1: thrived after the move from Michigan. So good for him. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: have bought it anyway. But like, go and ask his mom,

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Speaker 1: and his mom sells him out immediately. He doesn't even say, like, Mom,

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Speaker 1: but confirms that he was obsessed with aketo from an

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Speaker 1: interviews he's claimed to a first gun there at various years,

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Speaker 1: that Steven's lying about that too ridiculous. Yes, it won't

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Speaker 1: seventy four, where he met Miyaku Fujitani, a second degree

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Speaker 1: They met in l a at a dojo where she worked,

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Speaker 1: and Stephen pursued her quote aggressively, Um no, no, it

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Speaker 1: will be creepy later. At this point, he was really

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Speaker 1: It has been a steady slide, to be honest, I

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Speaker 1: think he might have peaked at five. So Miako eventually

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Speaker 1: he's Steven Seagal law man. But yeah, that's that's apparently

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Speaker 1: serious bullshit. I really like every article of Spy I read,

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Speaker 1: because they had a great one about Paul mana fort

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Speaker 1: like this one. They spent six months studying Steven Seagal

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Speaker 1: and like talking to people who knew him as a

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Speaker 1: kid and really getting into his back story. It's a

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Speaker 1: fun journey into the youth of Steven Seagal. Yeah, mazin

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Speaker 1: Spy Magazine baby quote. In fact, the dojo, which was

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Speaker 1: owned by his mother in law and managed by his wife,

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Speaker 1: herself a black belt. Seagal has also boasted of his

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Speaker 1: courage and battling criminals. Sometimes they are bugs of the Yakuza,

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Speaker 1: I jumped right in front of their faces, Sigal told

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Speaker 1: movie Line. I was a tenacious motherfucker man, and I

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Speaker 1: was fearless Miako. His ex wife says Segal was not

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Speaker 1: exactly telling the truth about fighting the Yakusa man quote,

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Speaker 1: don't know. Man could have been drunk yakuza. Another major

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Speaker 1: Segal claimed to fame is that he was the first

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Speaker 1: It's like, where am I? Who is this guy? You

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Speaker 1: know what? Here's a black belt. Normally only give these

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Speaker 1: good guy. This is a ridiculous story. It's really ridiculous,

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Speaker 1: like such dubious honors to lie about the first black belt. Okay, dude,

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Speaker 1: that's like a shortcut to me, just cutting, closing my

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Speaker 1: black belt, unless the question is can you teach me taekwondo,

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Speaker 1: in which case absolutely drop your credentials. Why not? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So Steven spent a sizeable chunk of the late seventies

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Speaker 1: teaching martial arts in Japan, and according to him, this

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Speaker 1: Here's how Steven put it in the nineteen interview with

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Speaker 1: You can say that I became an advisor to several

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Speaker 1: CIA agents in the field. Through my friends in the CIA,

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Speaker 1: I met many powerful people and did special works and

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Speaker 1: special favorites, special favorites like the largest Kumfu trophy and

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Speaker 1: about this stuff a lot, and like everyone else, when

422
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,639
Speaker 1: UFC first came, I kept expecting some magic tai chi

423
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,399
Speaker 1: guy to come down out of the mountains, or an

424
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,160
Speaker 1: akdo guy to come out, or a jeet kundo guy

425
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 1: to to lock everybody's hands up and beat them with compass,

426
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,920
Speaker 1: and it just it never happens. Like these traditional martial

427
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 1: arts have sort of been proven bullshit. They're great ways

428
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 1: to stay fit and have fun with your That doesn't

429
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 1: explain the size of Steven Seago. I'm not even shared

430
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,359
Speaker 1: that's true. I think it's a good place to like

431
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,639
Speaker 1: leave a kid for an hour. Anyway. My point is

432
00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 1: stories of akdo devastating yakas and members. It's unlikely. Yeah,

433
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 1: And if you grab a guy by the rest and

434
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,120
Speaker 1: he does a front flip, he probably didn't mind doing

435
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 1: that front flip so much. He's helping you out. It

436
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 1: was a consensual flip, right, yeah, as opposed to the

437
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,720
Speaker 1: non consensual flips, which I think are more useful in

438
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 1: a fight. I'm not an expert, I would say, so, okay,

439
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 1: all this, uh, you know, Steven Seagal is a big,

440
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,360
Speaker 1: fraudulent sort of exhibition where he tossed around his friend

441
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 1: was enough to convince the WB executives to drop fifty

442
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 1: dollars on a screen test, which shows you what money

443
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,919
Speaker 1: means in Hollywood. The screen set test was apparently an

444
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 1: absolute disaster. Seagal had no charisma, talked like whispering ghosts.

445
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,159
Speaker 1: Like that sounds like him. Yeah, that sounds like Steven Seagal.

446
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 1: That's how you would describe him in like, yeah, whispering ghost.

447
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 1: I have no charisma. My head stores one triangle. He

448
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 1: does have a weird Ovit's appeared to really love Stephen though,

449
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 1: because he continued to vouch for this kid that he

450
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 1: just met. So Warner Brothers was like, this kid's no good.

451
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 1: We're not going to put him in a movie. We

452
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 1: already wasted fifth granded on it. So ovit's his last

453
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 1: job before starting to work with Seagal is he had

454
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,120
Speaker 1: done like the casting for Lethal Weapon, which obviously giganticit,

455
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,400
Speaker 1: so they wanted him back for Lethal Weapon to clearly

456
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,160
Speaker 1: he's good at casting, and he agreed not to take

457
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 1: a pay bump, which you're guaranteed for a job like that,

458
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 1: a sizeable paid bump if you're working in the sequel.

459
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 1: He agreed to work for what he'd gotten paid to

460
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 1: make the first one if they would give Steven Seagal

461
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 1: a job. Um, So, Michael ovit's really fucking believed in

462
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 1: Steven Seagal, or at least that's one possibility here. Um,

463
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,879
Speaker 1: it's possible that Ovit's just saw something in Steven Seagal.

464
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,159
Speaker 1: It's also possible that Seagal's career was bankrolled by the

465
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: Mafia from day one, and that Ovits was maybe bribed. Uh.

466
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never heard any allegations that Ovits

467
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 1: was bribed. Maybe he just loved him. But there are

468
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: credible allegations that Steven Seagal started his career in the mafia.

469
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 1: People do get like a sort of a cult like

470
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: love for their martial arts instructor. Like if you're going

471
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 1: cold as an adult, especially and like start taking like

472
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 1: karate classes, you'd be like, oh my god, my karate.

473
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: Start taking levitate, don't even know with one finger he

474
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 1: can knock you out, And like that's just sort of

475
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 1: becomes he's just staying at the strip mall because he's

476
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: too enlightened to work somewhere better. Right, So this guy

477
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 1: might have just thought that Steven Seagal truly was magic.

478
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: Then that is entirely possible. I'm glad you you brought

479
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: that up, because I wouldn't have thought about that. Um,

480
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 1: we do know that in nineteen nineties, Steven Seagalf formed

481
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: Steamroller entertainment with a guy named Julius Nasso. Now, Nasso's

482
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: main business was providing pharmaceuticals to merchant boats. But he've

483
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: broken off pharmaceuticals to merchant boat. He's so drugs um though.

484
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: Julius got into filmmaking, UH, and he claimed to spy

485
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: that he had been introduced to Segal via Tony Danza.

486
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 1: Danza denied this. Danza knew who Nassas was and basically said,

487
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: he's no fucking friend of mine. Don't don't talk to

488
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 1: me about that guy. So Segal told people that Nassa

489
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: and he were related, although neither he or Nasso ever

490
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: gave any detail as to how Stephen's mother denied any

491
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: relation between them, whatever the truth, Julius uncle, also named

492
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 1: Julius Nasso, owned a concrete come in New York. In

493
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: nine revealed that Nassa's concrete firm had participated in a

494
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: bid rigging scheme with Anthony Salerno, the original Fat Tony

495
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: that's where the name comes from on the Simpson's Tony Salerno. UH.

496
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: Several employees testified against him. Nasso, the younger in Seagal

497
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: were good friends for about a decade. Nasa was the

498
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: best man at Seagal's second wedding. He was also the

499
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: co owner of Seagal's five hundred and sixty thousand dollars

500
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: Staten Island home. It's worth noting that several other mob

501
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: guys connected to the Gambino family wound up having roles

502
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: in Seagal's early films. Quote from That's By article. One

503
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: of the technical advisors on the set of Under Siege

504
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 1: was Robert Booth Nichols, who has been identified in federal

505
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: wire taps as associating with the Gambiano crime family. A

506
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: retired Navy captain named Joseph John who was a technical

507
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 1: adviser in the same movie responsible for securing the use

508
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: of the U S s Missouri, described Segal and Nichols

509
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: as asshole buddies, which I think means butt buddies and

510
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: not both assholes who are friends. But I can't tell. Yeah,

511
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: I've never heard the term. It doesn't mean they have

512
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: sex with each other. It might, I don't know. I

513
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: don't know this guy, Martine, he's can get all out together.

514
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: Uh so. Another performer in a Segal film, Jerry Cri

515
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: is the stepson of a mafia capo, Robert Zimbardi, who

516
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: reportedly got Segal to give his stepson apart and out

517
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: for justice. Segal hired Cri, who has ambitions to be

518
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: a movie star, to play a bookmaker and a key scene,

519
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: Segal beats up a number of bad guys in the bar,

520
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: the one vronman who never takes a punch of Cri,

521
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: No way. Segal was going to take a swing at

522
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: Bobby Zam's kid. Spy was told that is suspicious that

523
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: you're a bad guy at Steven Seagal scene and you

524
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: didn't get punched in the face. Involved, Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

525
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: Even weirder than all this is the fact that during

526
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: the nine deposition for a civil assault case, which I

527
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 1: could not find more detail about, but I don't think

528
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: he was the one being charged, but he was deposed

529
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: in the civil assault case, Segal, under oath claimed not

530
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: to know how much money he had, what he actually owned,

531
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: or what he was paid per movie. His attorney explained

532
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 1: that Segal did not have an individual contract with Warner Brothers. Instead,

533
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers had a contract with Sigal and his friend Nasso.

534
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: At times, some of the money paid to Seagal went

535
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: directly to Nasso, so that is a little weird. That's

536
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 1: a little weird. But your movie deal is with another

537
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: guy who has mob ties and he gets some of

538
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: your money, and no one seems to know quiet why

539
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: his agent. No, no, they owned a production company together,

540
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: his asshole, but it was his asshole buddy. Yeah. So

541
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: in the early nine nineties, Julius Naso started walking around

542
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: to l A with a card saying he was a

543
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers producer. So it seems like Warner Brothers might

544
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: have given him some title on some but it's also

545
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: like they refused to talk about this at all, so

546
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: who knows what happened. Spy interviewed him and he claimed

547
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: that he would be handling foreign distribution for the movie

548
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: I think for under Siege movie. Yeah, great movie. The

549
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: interviewers that Spy thought this was odd since w B

550
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: at the time had the largest foreign distribution system of

551
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: any Hollywood studio. Warner Brothers refused to comment, so Naso explained,

552
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: because of my experience in the drug business, I had

553
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: contacts all over the world, which is why he was

554
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 1: the right man to help sell this movie overseas. Yeah. Boy,

555
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: those high sailors man, they were really like understiege. Hey,

556
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: I've always said if you can get say Hiler side,

557
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: you can sell movies overseas, especially about Navy chef that

558
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: kicks ass Okay so at. At the time in this

559
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: is about all that spy new. But in the decades

560
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: since nine, a lot more information has come out. It

561
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: turns out that Nasa was an associate of the Gambino

562
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: crime family, and he loaned Segal at least half a

563
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: million dollars of their money. Segal claims it was for taxes.

564
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: When segaland Nasso had a falling out around two thousand,

565
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: Segal was forced into a meeting with several mobsters where

566
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: they demanded a hundred and fifty thousand dollars per movie

567
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: he'd made. So here's a quote from a two thousand

568
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: to New York Times article on the matter. Steven Seagal,

569
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: the action film star cited as a mafia extortion target,

570
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: has told investigators that after he stopped working with his

571
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: long time producer, he was ordered into a car in

572
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: Brooklyn last year and shuttled to a Landmark restaurant where

573
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: he was threatened by mobsters. According to officials and lawyers

574
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: involved in the case, he was so intimidated, He recounted

575
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: that he agreed to turn over seven hundred thousand, although

576
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: investigators are still trying to trace the money. Do you

577
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: know what I would do if I was in a

578
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: car with all those mobsters and I knew, akdo fucking

579
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: akdo everybody in the car? Just you can't throw someone

580
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: in a car. No, I can't think. I think it

581
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: worked really well in those closed quarters. They try to

582
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: punch and you like slap slap. Movies have taught me

583
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: that just liquid human all over the just bloody pieces

584
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: of money. Well, my favorite out of the water, like

585
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: twenty minutes later. That's how long I hold my breath.

586
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: I was sucking there out of their dead lungs that

587
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: whole time. You should direct to Steven Seagal. My favorite

588
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: thing about this is that some of these guys who

589
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 1: were doing the meeting were tapped, and so the FBI

590
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: listened into them laughing about intimidating Steven Seagal. And the

591
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: thing they thought was funniest is that he had a

592
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: gun but was too scared to do anything. Like they're

593
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: just laughing at him. They just think it's hilarious. Has

594
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: said he was the thing about Steven Seagal, is you

595
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: really get the idea he like buys into his own

596
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: bullshit and after something like that, like he's got to

597
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: rethink like three decades worth of that bullshit he's living under, Like,

598
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: am I really a pussy? I'm going to correct you there.

599
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: I don't think Steven Seagal has ever refought anything. Like

600
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: they're lucky I didn't do my key to pull my gun.

601
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: Takes a real badass to get out of a situation

602
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: like that with only seven d dollars in spending. No

603
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: one expects me to be my pants for eight streight minutes.

604
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: Oh so, Steven Seagal in court claimed that these guys

605
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: were basically just his business partners and then the mob

606
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: extorted him. It sure seems like what really happened is

607
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: that the Gambino crime family, through Nasso, invested in Segal

608
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: in the hopes that they could cash in on a

609
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: long and successful action movie career, which the joke was

610
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: a little bit on there got him a little too

611
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: late there. Whatever the truth behind his start, Seagal became

612
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: the hottest new action hero on the block and was

613
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: on his way to becoming a massive start. Gary Goldman,

614
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: an ex mercenary was one of the badasses Seagal liked

615
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: to surround himself with For a while, they were working

616
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: on a script together, and Seagal had Goldman vouched for

617
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: him in interviews. In one interview with The l A Times,

618
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: Goldman claimed that Segal had gone with him quote on

619
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: several missions and that he has a high level of

620
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: skill that you don't just pick up reading fantasy magazines.

621
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone would question escape abilities. A lot

622
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: of mercenaries they take dudes who just read fantasy magazines

623
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: with them and they're like, damn it, another one of

624
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: these fantasy magazines. Guys. I really should have learned not

625
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: to bring random people on my mercenary missions. We've been

626
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: getting magic spells on this mission. No, this is a

627
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: real life he is not a fantasy magazine. Well, my

628
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: only expertise is fantasy magazines. I've cut out these little

629
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: lightning bolt things. We gotta get that Stephen Seagal guy back.

630
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: He knows what he's doing. Well, Okay, so full full disclosure.

631
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Speaker 1: About a year after this point, Segal and Goldman had

632
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: a falling out and Segal backed out of their plan

633
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: to write a movie. So Goldman wrote a letter to

634
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: the same journalist at the l A Times he'd lied

635
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: to a year earlier and recanted. He said, quote, the

636
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: plain truth of the matter is that Segal wasn't as

637
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: a gutlass coward who was trying to convert the heroic

638
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: deeds of those brave men into a personal history for himself. Yeah.

639
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: Among other other things, Goldman's letter claimed that in nineteen

640
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: eighty eight, he and Segal had gone treasure hunting near

641
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: Barbados with Randy Whitner. While they were all hanging out

642
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: on a boat, Seagal bragg repeatedly about his time as

643
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: a Navy seal, which do I even need to say

644
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: that he was never absolutely not. At one point, Stephen

645
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: and Goldman had to wait into the water to deliver

646
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: equipment to a Zodiac boat, which is like a real

647
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,959
Speaker 1: badass cool thing that like a real cool person might

648
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: have been able to handle. Steven Seagal was not. Here's

649
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: how Goldman said it went. Quote the surf was unbelievable,

650
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: really tough. He started screaming and panicking and was sure

651
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: he was going to die and all that crap. Goldman

652
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: claims that Randy Wintner had to pulse Segal up by

653
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: his hair while well, Goldman quote pushed his ass onto

654
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: the boat with my shoulder. Well, the one thing I

655
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: know about Navy seals is when you get him like

656
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: in rough water, they just freaked. Oh yeah, no. Their

657
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: training is to panic and water is rough. That's what

658
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: makes beautiful Corona Beach. But it's it's like lovely and

659
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: you can watch the planes land, but there's the sound

660
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: of all those Navy seals. Just me just panishes, and

661
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: I like, you're doing good work. Panic a little harder,

662
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: you'll be the best. You really want to lose your

663
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: mind at this young recruit, Steven Siegel. We're gonna we're

664
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: gonna send you to the desert, so we want you

665
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: scared of the sea. I love that they have special

666
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: circumstances just to say, oh, you're a Navy sea Well,

667
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: here's the water. And he just fucks it up so badly.

668
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: It doesn't even in there. Because later it became clear

669
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: that Segal could not read a compass or a map,

670
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: both things the Navy seals sort of stress, kind of important.

671
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: In his letter to The l A Times, Goldman said

672
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: Segal quote would surely die of starvation. If he was

673
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: given a compass and a map that led to a

674
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: restaurant five miles away. That's that's some good, like badass

675
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: way to cause someone. Yeah, that's that's some solid mercenary ragging. Yeah.

676
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: Goldman smack talking prompted Segal to take action. He called

677
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: up his friend Robert Strickland, the former contract employee with

678
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: the CIA, and had him meet on the set of

679
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: a movie he was filming, I think on Deadly Ground

680
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: as the sat Inness Trail. As they sat in his trailer,

681
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: Seagal handed Strickland to dossier he'd had compiled on Goldman

682
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: and then showed him a briefcase with fifty dollars in it.

683
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: According to Strickland, he said this, I'd like you to

684
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: do me a favor. I'd like you to kill Gary Goldman. Now.

685
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: I should note Mr Seagal was thirty eight years old

686
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: at this point and in the prime of his career.

687
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: Robert Strickland was a sixty eight year old retiree who

688
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: was a good foot shorter than him. Strickland claims his

689
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: first response was you're crazy, to which Seagal responded, if

690
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: you won't do it, get someone who will pay him.

691
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: What you want and keep the rest. This would not

692
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: be the last time Steven Seagal tried to pay to

693
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: have somebody hurt. Well, what you want is a long

694
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: paper trail when you when you want to assassinate someone,

695
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: you want to outsource it and then have them outsource it.

696
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: That way, it's easier to get away with when lots

697
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: of people know about it. The more documentation you have

698
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: for your crimes absolutely better. No, I think most criminals

699
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: would agree with that. In the Summer of writer named

700
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: Alan Rickman, not the actor that kind of messed me

701
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: out for a second to wrote an article about Seagal

702
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: for Gentleman's Quarterly. It was not complimentary. Segal flew an

703
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,479
Speaker 1: intelligence analyst to his Staten Island home to help him

704
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: dig up dirt on the writer. Quote from Spy, Segal

705
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: tells the consultant that Rickman is gay, a fag. In

706
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: the actor's words, he once Rickman set up with a

707
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: homosexual quote to get pictures of Rickman going down on

708
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: the man. When the security consultant refused, Segal asked what

709
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: it would cost to have a hypothetical man whacked. When

710
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: the consultant replied whacked dead, Segal said, of course, you

711
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: people do that all the time. What if what if

712
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: you were Rickman masking I suck your dick? Here? Is

713
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: that gonna work? My favorite part about this is that,

714
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: like in an television interview, he lied about the other

715
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: man's height and he called him a pansy, even though

716
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: Rickman was an army captain who was also taller than

717
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: Steven Seagal. Stephen, He's just step He might be genetically

718
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: incapable of telling the truth. It's it's really hard to say,

719
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: Bob Strickland, that former c A contractor seems to have

720
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 1: been one of the people who put up with Seagal's

721
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: bullshit for the longest amount of time. Sa actually paid

722
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: Strickland fifty thousand dollars of a two hundred and fifty

723
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: thousand dollar deal for his life story. Strickland thought this

724
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: meant that Segal was going to make a movie about him,

725
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: but it actually just meant that Segal wanted the right

726
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: to lie about his own life and tell stories from

727
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 1: Strickland's life when he was interviewed. So one night, Strickland

728
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: was watching the Arsenio Hall Show and saw Steven Seagal

729
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: telling a story from Strickland's own life. That's an amazing

730
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: interview too, by the way. Yeah, yeah, he gets all

731
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 1: dark for he's like, I think he's talking about Kelly

732
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: Lebron and how like she was misbehaving, and he's like,

733
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 1: my house, my rules. It's a real window in the

734
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: darkness that is inside that man. Well, if I was

735
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 1: not a hack and a fraud, I would have seen

736
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 1: that one. I was too busy reading about Steven Seagal.

737
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: So Strickland got really angry when he heard his own

738
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: stories being told by Steven Seagal. So yeah, he uh

739
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: called Stephen a bunch of times, left a bunch of

740
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 1: angry messages, and Steven's response was essentially to threaten Strickland,

741
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: which prompted the former ce A contractor to file a

742
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: sworn affidavit in the Burbank Superior Court. Quote on December,

743
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: Steven Seagal said to me in my attorney's press, if

744
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: anybody from the CIA fox with me, they will be hurt.

745
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: He claimed he was backed by very powerful people, more

746
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: powerful than the CIA ship in their pains. No, yeah, yeah,

747
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's one of those non swimming Navy seals,

748
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: which he knows are the deadliest kind. And if you

749
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 1: want to hear something that's even better than a Navy

750
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: seal who can't swim. Sponsors, it's an ad break. Yeah,

751
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: it's a sponsors and we're back. We're talking about Steven Seagal,

752
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: who has just ruined what probably the longest friendship he

753
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: ever had with a former CIA man by lying and

754
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: stealing his life, becoming an experienced vampire national television. That's embarrassing. Yeah,

755
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: it's a really shameful thing to do. So. In the

756
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: affidavit Strickland filed, he claimed that a mutual friend of

757
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: he in Segal, had quote called me from New York

758
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: and advised me to watch my ass. He stated that

759
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: my safety could be in jeopardy because Steven Seagal is

760
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: backed by powerful people who have vested interest in preserving

761
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: his image and reputation. Which might have been true at

762
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: that point and entirely honest, like he you may not

763
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: have been lying about that. Seagal quickly followed the success

764
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: of Nine Above the Law, which was his first film,

765
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 1: with three more action hits, Hard to Kill, Mark for Death,

766
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: and for Justice. Yeah. Yeah, his career peaqud in nine

767
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: with Undersiege or with Undersiege. I may have sucked that up,

768
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: but he was a pretty big star in when he

769
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 1: was invited to host an episode of Saturday Night Live.

770
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: Not not the greatest success in the history of that show.

771
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: In a way, it might be. In a way it

772
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: might be. It depends on how much enjoyment you get

773
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: out of this next anecdote. So in the book Life

774
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: from New York, which is a history of the show,

775
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: several cast members chimed in about the week Stephen Seagal

776
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: was the host. Tim Meadows, the biggest problem with Steven

777
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: Seagal was that he would complain about jokes that he

778
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: didn't get. So it was like, you can't explain something

779
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: to somebody in German if they don't speak German. He

780
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: just wasn't funny, and he was very critical of the

781
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: cast and the writing staff. He didn't realize that you

782
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: can't tell somebody they're stupid on Wednesday and expect them

783
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: to continue writing for you on Saturday. So people like

784
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: of him intentionally bad ship because they hated him. I

785
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: think so. I think that that's part of the explanation.

786
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 1: David Spade said, quote he didn't want to go along

787
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: with what the plan was that week, and as a result,

788
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: I think that was the first week that I heard

789
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: talk about replacing the host and just doing a cast show. Yeah.

790
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: And then Julius Sweeney, when we pitched our ideas for

791
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: Sigal at our Monday meeting, he gave us some of

792
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: his own sketch ideas, and some of his sketch ideas

793
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: were so heinous, so hilariously awful, it was like we

794
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: were on candid camera. He had this idea that he's

795
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: a therapist and he wanted Victoria Jackson to be his

796
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: patient who's just been raped. And the therapist says, you're

797
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: going to have to come to me twice a week

798
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: for like three years, because he said that's how therapists

799
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: fucking are. They're just trying to get your money. And

800
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: then he says that the psychiatrist tries to have sex

801
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: with her. That's Stephen Seagal's idea of comedy. That's so weird.

802
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: It will not be weird later in this story it

803
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 1: will actually make total sense about I've been a comedy

804
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: writer for many, many years now, and I am seriously

805
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: racking my brain how to get to a place of

806
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: comedy from such a dark premise. No, there's no punchline

807
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: anywhere in that description, and I don't think there was

808
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: a punchline in the show. I can't even if you

809
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: had nine hours to build the context for this, I

810
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: don't think you can make that like funny funny. No,

811
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: And I do think it's important to note that nightmare.

812
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: I suspect that four Seagal the punchline was the psychiatrist

813
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: tries to rape his patient. I think that was his idea.

814
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: That was the joke. You ready for this. It's a salt,

815
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: it's a horrible the sexual self victim. Oh see, you know,

816
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: it's like poetry. It dies back to the beginning. Oh god,

817
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: he would have said that. He wouldn't compared to absolutely

818
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: would have compared it to poetry. And then he fucking

819
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 1: cried a chop through the table, vanished in a puff

820
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: of flower cloud. In two thousand fourteen, when guest Nicholas

821
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: Cage expressed a worry to Lauren Michael's that he would

822
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: be quote the worst host ever, Lauren Michael's reportedly said, no,

823
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: that would be Steven Seagal. He's one of the only

824
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: people ever banned from being on Saturday Night Live ever ever.

825
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: Ever ever again. They did that joke on Sarah Live,

826
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: remember Lord Michael's coming out and saying like, no, no, no,

827
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: the worst was sal but there was something real about it. Yeah, no,

828
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 1: I mean it sounds like he was terrible. There's another story.

829
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: I think it was Rob Schneider who saw Steven Seagal

830
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: like walked up to him and said, I just finished

831
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: reading the best screenplay in my life. And Schneider was like, oh, yeah,

832
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: who wrote it? And he was like me and it

833
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: was not a joke. Oh my god, Steven Seagal, what

834
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: a dream set up for that answer, though, because like

835
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: if if you said, oh, I made the best screenplay,

836
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: most people are like, oh, what's it about? But he

837
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: asked who the writer was, to perfectly set up Steven

838
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: Seagal to say, men, that should be the team. Schneider,

839
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god. I would throw my

840
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: own money into the production of that film. Yeah, especially

841
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: if all of the bad guys are Segal and Snyder.

842
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: I love it. Like some sort of a time loop

843
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: made it so every person in that universe was segalange Nier. Yeah,

844
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: I'm not saying there in map it's like really that,

845
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: it's really that you commit to the premise. Yeah, Hollywood,

846
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 1: of the phone, this is an inspiring idea. That idea

847
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: of the sex assault victim and the therapist. That's a

848
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: dead end. That's a dead end. Don't pursue that. But

849
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: but Schneider and Seagal, that's at least a skit. Let's

850
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: do another podcast after this. We'll save it for that.

851
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: But the storyboard, the whole thing. Yeah, okay, So you remember, like, actually,

852
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: way less than twenty minutes ago, when I said that

853
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: him wanting to make the joke be entirely about sexual

854
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: assault would make sense very soon. Yeah, it's about to

855
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: make sense. Yeah. So the early nineties were a time

856
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: of great professional success for Steven Seagal, and they were

857
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 1: also when he began his career as a sexual predator.

858
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe he began it earlier, but we certainly

859
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: know about assaults dating back to the early nineties. The

860
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: signs were already present as earliest nineteen nine, when Robert

861
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: Strickland watched Seagal harassed one of his personal assistants. She

862
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: was brushing her teeth in his trailer when, according to Strickland,

863
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: Seagal told her that she needed to get over there.

864
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: Immediately when she came out, still brushing her teeth, he said, Gee, Ranne,

865
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: you look like that when I come in your mouth

866
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: some more Steven Seagal humor there. That is the absence

867
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: of a romantic relationship before that. No, Strickland, the former

868
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: CIA guy, who I'm going to guess was a pretty

869
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: coarse fellow, thought this was gross. I think yea profoundly gross. Yeah. So.

870
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: Earlier this year, Julianna Margoulas of the Good Wife was

871
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: a guest on the Katie CorX podcast. They talked about

872
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 1: the me Too movement, and Margoulas recalled an unsettling encounter

873
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: with Seagal in the early nineteen nineties. He was a

874
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: big action star at that point and she was still

875
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 1: quite new when a casting director told her that Stephen

876
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: wanted to do a scene with her in his room. Quote.

877
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: I walked in and I sat down, and I jumped

878
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: right back up because there was something very uncomfortable and

879
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 1: hard in the couch. He laughed and said, oh, sorry,

880
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: that must have been my gun, Margoulies recalled. He lifted

881
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: up the cushion and he took out his gun. When

882
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: Margoolies grew noticeably nervous, Segal explained that he casually packed

883
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: to protect himself from quote all the crazies that are

884
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, if your guns in the couch, you're

885
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 1: the crazy verse. I think he might be right. Yeah,

886
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: that's not where the gun goes, not in the couch.

887
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: What so next, if you've got company coming over, why

888
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: you leave your gun in the couch? He wanted her

889
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: to find it. Yeah, he wanted her to find What

890
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: kind of a person thinks like this will turn the

891
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: girl on almost dying. I don't think turning her on

892
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: was his goal. Maybe it was was he trying to

893
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: like terrify her. Maybe the thing that he did next

894
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: in this interaction was tell her that he was a healer,

895
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: and then he wanted to read her palms, So maybe

896
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: he was trying. Yeah, quote he told me I had

897
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: really weak kidneys at that point, to be honestness and

898
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: New York girl, I kind of started laughing inside. So

899
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: shortly thereafter, Ma Gooli said she squirmed out of the room,

900
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 1: but then realized that she hadn't received the cab fair

901
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: she had been promised, so she went back and asked

902
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: for it. She got the cash as well as the

903
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: part and out for Justice, although she demanded she never

904
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: be alone with Seagal on set, so not to diminish it.

905
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: But this is a rather tame story to compare to

906
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: the stories of many of the other women's who have

907
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: reported their interactions with Stevenson. Would be real pretty if

908
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: you had better kidneys. Steven Seagal is Out for Kidneys.

909
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: In nineteen John Connelly, the author of that spy article,

910
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: wrote another article about Segal, this time for Penthouse and It.

911
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: He alleged that four female staffers had resigned from the

912
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: production of his film Out for Justice in protest of

913
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: his constant sexual harassment and quote a sexual attack on

914
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: one of them. They claimed Segal tried to undress them

915
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: during casting interviews. Once stated, when I was finally able

916
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: to get him to stop, he told me I had

917
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 1: the part. So that does seem to be Stevens modus

918
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: opera and I Another woman claimed Segal would constantly brush

919
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: past women in his office and touch them. His former housekeeper,

920
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: La bum Garner, claimed Segal sexually attacked her while she

921
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: was working at his house. She did plead guilty to

922
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: stealing from him later. Maybe I mean I could also

923
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:47,439
Speaker 1: see steven crimes. Yeah, a little more minor. In fact,

924
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 1: stealing from a rich guy barely qualifies, barely qualifies as

925
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: a crime. Connolly talked to six women in total who

926
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: accused Seagal of harassment. They would not be the last.

927
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: He stated at the end of his article that the

928
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 1: code of silence around seagal' suggish behavior is starting to crack.

929
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: Shatter would be a more apt term. In n Jenny

930
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: McCarthy talked to Movieline about her audition for the classic

931
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: film Under Siege two, a sequel to Seagal's biggest hit,

932
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: in one of the first real clear signs that his

933
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: career was already passed. It's a fun fact he outruns

934
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: an explosion in that movie, which is impossible because Steven Seagal,

935
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: actually he runs like a fat woman waking up in

936
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: a bathtub covered in snakes. That's a good description of

937
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: Steven Seagal running. And I've I've written a lot of

938
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: Steven Seagal runs like jokes in my career, and I

939
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: think that might be the most evocative he is. You

940
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: owe yourself to look up Steven Seagal running on YouTube,

941
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: because he has never managed to run like a normal person.

942
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: He like tucks his elbows in and he kind of

943
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: has like limp wrists and he keeps the elbows tucked

944
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: in tight and he just sort of wiggles through the

945
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: air and it's like a scurry. Yeah, but they're just

946
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: like in these movies. And you look at Tom Cruise,

947
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: he just got beautiful form because until he spent it

948
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: out run and then Steven Seagal, it's like a hamster

949
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: getting electrified. Well, and it's one of those things you

950
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: talk to people. I've talked to someone who does firearms

951
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: training for movies, Like his job is helping movie stars

952
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: like learn how to use weapons and like do shooting

953
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: against like like choreographed gunfights and stuff. And he says,

954
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: and you can find this in other articles, like Tom

955
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: Cruise is really good with a gun. With all the

956
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 1: physical stuff he's done, he's really good at everything. Nobody

957
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: says that about Steven Seagal. Nobody praises his ability to

958
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: do stunts. So in Jenny McCarthy talked to movie Line

959
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah about her audition for the classic film Understage two

960
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: and which Steven Seagal at runs an explosion. Um, here's

961
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 1: what she said happened. I was wearing this very baggy dress,

962
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: which I always wear to auditions with my hair pulled back.

963
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: I'm listening to Seagal go on and on about how

964
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: he found his soul in Asia and was one with

965
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: himself or whatever, and I said, well, I'm ready to read.

966
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: He said, stand up. You have to be kind of

967
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: sexy in the movie and in that dress. I can't tell.

968
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: I stand up and he goes take off your dress.

969
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: I said what, and he said there's nudity. I said, no,

970
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: there's not, or I wouldn't be here right now. He

971
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: said again, there's nudity, and I said, notable fully closed woman. Well,

972
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: she said, the pages are right in front of me,

973
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: and there's no She's right to make this objection. I'm

974
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: getting to it. He goes take off your dress. I

975
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: just started crying and said, rent my Playboy video, you asshole,

976
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: And yeah, fair enough funny on single that I always

977
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: thought like that hot girl's way funnier than the hot

978
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 1: I would like you McCarthy a lot if it wasn't

979
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: for advocating child or not get vaccination. She's got a

980
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: lot of bad and she's certainly in the right here.

981
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: Think that she has more wit than you'd expect. No, she's.

982
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: That's a funny, funny thing to say. Yeah, No, she's.

983
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: She's got a great response. Her recollection of the events

984
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: is really good. When the Daily Beast question segall spokesman

985
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: about this, he said, the claim was completely false, and

986
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: I should note several times so we don't get sued.

987
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: Steven Seagald denies any history any of the many many many, many, many, many,

988
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: many many many. The Washington Post says, there are too

989
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: many allegations of assault and harassment to count, too many

990
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: to count, the Washington Post, and they have great they

991
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: have whole people who Yeah. So there's no nice segue here.

992
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: It's it's about to get really dark, so buckle up

993
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: the delicious flavor of no. This is not the time

994
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: for that um. When Steven Seagal was filming one of

995
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: his most popular movies, on Deadly Ground, he met an

996
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: eighteen year old extra named Regina Simmons. He invited her

997
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: to a rat party at his house. When she showed up,

998
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: no one else was there. Yeah. Regular listeners will remember

999
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 1: this as the same basic strategy used by Bill Cosby

1000
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: on several occasions. Tell him there's a party. It seems

1001
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: to be a pretty common Hollywood creep strategy. Yeah. Regina

1002
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: says he told her everyone else had already left, and

1003
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: then he took her into his bedroom. Quote. He closed

1004
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: the door and approached me from behind. He started kissing

1005
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: my neck and taking off my clothes. I was in shock.

1006
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: I was completely caught off guard. Segal was more than

1007
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: twice my size and twice my age. I was not

1008
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: sexually active, nor had I ever been naked in front

1009
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: of a man before I froze. She alleges that Segald

1010
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: and raped her. She says, there was nothing consensual about this.

1011
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't move, and I felt as if I was

1012
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 1: watching my body from above. I felt tears coming down

1013
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: my face. Yeah. When Segal was done, he asked her

1014
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: if she needed any money, and then allowed her to leave.

1015
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: He called her the next day. I don't know what

1016
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: actually is going It is a good question what is

1017
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 1: going on in Steven Seagal's head, because I seriously think

1018
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: he probably doesn't think of himself. He kept calling this

1019
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: this woman. I don't think he thinks of himself as

1020
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: it rapist. Yeah, I I don't know. I like not

1021
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: that that mitigates it at all, because he seems to

1022
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: be a monster, but I think that is part of

1023
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: his psychology in this Now. This story came out in

1024
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: March of last year after several women, among them Portia

1025
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: de Larossi from Arrested development alleged Steven Seagal being a

1026
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: creepy sexual harasser. There was a whole press conference when

1027
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: Regina came out and another woman was there to support her,

1028
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: Faviola Datis. She auditioned for a part and as if

1029
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 1: yet unproduced vanity project with Steven Seagal about Genghis Khan,

1030
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: which Segal was supposed to write, direct and star in.

1031
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: He was, Oh my god, that's amazing. Yeah, it's a

1032
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: dark story. So I don't want to get lost in this,

1033
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: but that may be the only unproduced vanity project I

1034
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: do kind of want to say. Um Data said her

1035
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: initial meetings with Segal took place in public and didn't

1036
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: give her any cause for concern. The two bonded over

1037
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: shared interest like Buddhism and martial arts, she said, and

1038
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: quote soon developed a friendly relationship via text and phone calls.

1039
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: At one point, Segal invited Datas for a private audition.

1040
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: She said. He explained to me that he would like

1041
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: to evaluate my figure and see if I would be

1042
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: suitable for the role. His assistant told me to arrive

1043
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: wearing a bikini or a broad and panties under my clothing,

1044
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: as this is quite standard in the modeling industry. I

1045
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: agreed to do so. Now Datas noticed some strange things

1046
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: right off the bat. For one Segal, it asked her

1047
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: to meet in the evening at a hotel that he

1048
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: had booked. Quote. I was taken up to Seagal's room

1049
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: by his assistant, who repeated to me multiple times in

1050
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: the elevator, Steven's word is as good as gold. I

1051
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: thought this was a bit strange, but I did not comment.

1052
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: When she arrived, only Stephen and his bodyguard were in

1053
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: the room. The assistant who had led her there immediately left.

1054
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: Stephen asked me to take off my clothes, which I did,

1055
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,240
Speaker 1: although I was nervous considering there were no other individuals present,

1056
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: and do a cat walk through the room for him.

1057
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: I did so, and Stephen approached me and said that

1058
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: he would like to act out a romantic scene to

1059
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: get a sense of our chemistry. Davis told him that

1060
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: she was uncomfortable with this and said, no, that's when

1061
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 1: she alleges Segal reached under her bikini top and groped

1062
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: her while fondling her vagina with his other hands. She

1063
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: yelled that the audition was over. Steven sat there calmly

1064
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 1: as if nothing had happened, and while I was noticeably

1065
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: upset and terrified by the experience, Steven's security guards stood

1066
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: blocking the doorway and only moved when Steven motioned for

1067
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: him to do so. I left feeling horrified and totally violated.

1068
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: Steven Seagal there, His lawyer denies both of these allegations.

1069
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: It was so gross. But then to have like a

1070
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: security guard there too, Yeah, that that lot the creepiest thing.

1071
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna stand here and watch, I think it will

1072
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: really help her, like feel more at ease if there's

1073
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: a weird dude watching. What if there's a giant guy

1074
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: standing in the back of the room, Well, I like groper,

1075
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna move fast, so like I just want

1076
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: you to stand there and be weird. Which it's one

1077
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: of those things there's always in these stories of Hollywood

1078
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: sexual predators, so many people complicit. You know, the assistant

1079
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: has to know what's playing on. This is not Steven

1080
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: Seagal in his prime, when someone might think, yeah, maybe

1081
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: a young actress wants to meet this handsome guy, Like

1082
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: this is someone knowing something creepy's going to go on.

1083
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: But this is my paycheck, so I'm just gonna soldier on.

1084
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 1: There's other jobs you can take where people don't rape. Yeah,

1085
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yes, Uh. I have never

1086
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: worked at a place where someone's just trying some rape

1087
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: out near me. Yeah yeah, yeah you work here, right,

1088
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: so like you're cool with this rape, you understand this

1089
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: is just how kings works. Well, I sure need this job.

1090
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: I'll just block the door in case anyone tries to

1091
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: make a run for it. This is a really bad

1092
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: time for an ad segue tremendously disastrously. Kinkoes is not

1093
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 1: a supporter of the podcast, so I really don't care

1094
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: what you do to them. How you feeling about Steven Seagal,

1095
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: it's a little little roast, Like these intimate details of

1096
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: like this type of interaction is what's like it's easy

1097
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: to say, like, oh, this guy, he's a he's an

1098
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: attempted rapist, that guy, but then when you like learn

1099
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: these little details, it's so gross that some woman had

1100
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 1: to explain that this is exactly what happened. I should

1101
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: say we're back, but I think we've been back since

1102
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: the start of this conversation. Uh, it's it's remarkable to me.

1103
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 1: I guess one of the things I can never stop

1104
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: thinking about because I like watching old movies is like

1105
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: you look at like Humphrey bogartan screen and you like,

1106
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: did you assault somebody? Bogie? Probably right, yeah, probably, yeah.

1107
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never heard anything about that, but

1108
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: you just see how many of these guys did something

1109
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: fucked up. Even Bowie has some dark stuff in his background,

1110
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: and it's like not like this, nothing like this, but

1111
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: like some stuff that's questionable anyway. It's a bummer, And

1112
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: there is something about like celebrity that I think Jack's

1113
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: your game up. Yeah. It's one of the things that

1114
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: confused about this to me is I've read a lot

1115
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: of allegations from various because we're not going to cover

1116
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 1: every allegation spinning at Steven Seagal again. As The Washington

1117
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: Post said, there are too many to count. Um, there

1118
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: are a number of allegations where he will do creepy stuff,

1119
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 1: He will grope someone clearly against their will, but they

1120
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: will say no, that they don't want sex, and he

1121
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: will let them leave, which makes me think in his head,

1122
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 1: Steven Seagal, I don't I don't know, like A yeah,

1123
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to mitigate it, but I'm certain he

1124
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: doesn't think of himself as a rapist, which again I

1125
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: believe the women in this case, because, for one thing,

1126
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 1: there are too many allegations to count, which is usually

1127
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: the first sign that it's true. Like so, yeah, back

1128
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: in March is when those two latest allegations, including one

1129
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: of straight up rap we're filed against Steven Seagal, not

1130
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: the first time allegations have been made, but the first

1131
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: time in the meat Too era. For sure, there were

1132
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: allegations against Steven Seagal starting back in the nineties and

1133
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: the early two thousands, and then right after me two

1134
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: kicked up, people started talking about them again, and of

1135
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: course these two women came forward in March. But in

1136
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: January Stephen Seagal decided that he wanted to get ahead

1137
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: of these sexual assault rumors and really deal with the

1138
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 1: problem in a proactive manner. Can you guess what media

1139
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: outlet he chose to talk to. I bet it was Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1140
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 1: Steven Seagal showed up on info Wars in January of

1141
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: two thousand and eighteen. He told Alex Jones that the

1142
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: many many many many many many many many many many

1143
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: many many many many many many many women who had

1144
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: made claims against him were paid liars. Someone has deep pockets. Quote.

1145
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: This isn't just about me, because hundreds of people in

1146
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 1: Hollywood have been attacked and hundreds of people have been,

1147
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: in my opinion, falsely accused. My opinion is that sixty

1148
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 1: of these people are completely innocent, and that includes me.

1149
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: In most of these cases, the accusations are years old.

1150
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: They're not providing evidence or proof of witnesses. They're just

1151
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: throwing it out, and all of a sudden, somebody's life

1152
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: is ruined. Yeah, when people say it's a witch hunt,

1153
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: it's worse than any other witch hunt in America's ever seen.

1154
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: This is ruining our country. This is worse than the

1155
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: time we burned people to death, worst in the time

1156
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: we burned witches. He's the real victim here, he is

1157
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: the real victim. And I'm never not excited by how

1158
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: many times terrible people's lives intersect Alex Jones. And of course,

1159
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: of course they wound up talking to each other. How

1160
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 1: could they have not? How could the world have allowed that?

1161
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: I always wonder like when say, you buy your own bullshit,

1162
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: like and you meet someone like Alex Jones who's also

1163
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: full of shit, Like, do they completely believe all of

1164
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: the other guys bullshit? Does that like start to create

1165
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: like this bullshit spiral where like they start just like

1166
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just stay some crazy Steven believes it may

1167
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: just be a matter of like Alex Jones knows that

1168
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: Steven Seagals talk about his time as the Navy seal

1169
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 1: that didn't I can talk about like all the badest

1170
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: stuff I've done and like the globalst trying to kill

1171
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: me and stuff. Yeah, and so like if Alex Jones

1172
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: is being like I used to win fights against men

1173
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: when I was a child, like Stevenson allowed to be

1174
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: like I know you're full of shit? Or is he

1175
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: like I can't pretend like I know you're full of

1176
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: ship because that would admit that I understand the limits

1177
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: of this absurdity. It's mutually assured destruction is applied to lies,

1178
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: shameless lies. It is remarkable. So Steven Seagal's career peaked

1179
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: around nineteen nineteen four. By the year two thousand, he'd

1180
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: had a string of flops and was no longer considered

1181
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: in the same tier of action star as Bruce Willis,

1182
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: if that was ever a fair thing to say, you know,

1183
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: he was. He was like of a Jean Claude Van

1184
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: Dam contemporary, but his films were like, didn't have as

1185
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: much joy or fun and uh, they weren't his like,

1186
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: um adventurous, I guess yeah. And when you've seen to

1187
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: Stephen Seagal, mo, you've seen all every Stephen Seagal movie.

1188
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: It was one of those things when when John Clyde

1189
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: Van Dam came back and did j c v D

1190
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, everyone was like, oh, yeah,

1191
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: you know, I'd like to watch John Claude vandam I'm

1192
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: sure nobody feels that way about Stevens. Nothing level about

1193
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: Steven Seagal. What John clad is a movie star? Yeah,

1194
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,919
Speaker 1: And the early two thousands began the start of a long,

1195
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: sharp decline for Steven Seagal, from movie theater releases to

1196
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: direct to video releases to eventually direct to digital productions,

1197
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: which is kind of where he is now. And if

1198
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: you've seen a recent Steven Seagal movie. It's a heavy set,

1199
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: elderly man pulling guns out of people's hands and trying

1200
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: not to move to rutch. Just a bunch of catwalks

1201
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: in Eastern European really dark lighting. Yeah, um so Yeah.

1202
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: The early two thousands definitely marked the end of Steven

1203
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: Seagal's career as a serious action movie star, but they

1204
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: also marked the start of something else, something we're going

1205
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: to get into in Part two of this podcast, Steven

1206
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: Seagal's twin careers as a blues musician cop. Well, I

1207
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: should say three careers because in addition to being a

1208
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: blues musician and a cop, he's an alleged human trafficker.

1209
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: So all that and more in Part two. Yeah, Sean,

1210
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: do you have any plug doubles that you would like

1211
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: to plug? I'm easy to find on Twitter search for

1212
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: Sean Baby. Uh. I still write jokes at Cracked. Uh.

1213
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: Play calculords on your mobile devices. Yes, Play calculates on

1214
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: your mobile devices and you will get some of Sean

1215
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: Baby's signature humor, great jokes, great way to teach math,

1216
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: and listeners should know. Sean Baby essentially invented comedy on

1217
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: the Internet and was it might legally be true? Yeah,

1218
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: what was one of like the three or four people.

1219
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: That is a big part of why I got into

1220
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: this industry. So I didn't tell you that until now

1221
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: because I wanted us to have emotional resonance unlike a

1222
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: Steven Seagal movie. I wanted to prove we could do

1223
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: it better. What a perfect button on a perfect episode. Uh.

1224
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at I right, Okay,

1225
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: you can find us on Instagram and on Twitter this

1226
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: podcast at at Bastards pot and you can find us

1227
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: online along with some really sad pictures of Steven Seagal,

1228
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: Behind the Pastords dot com and all of the many

1229
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: sources for this episode if you've been wondering what would

1230
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,959
Speaker 1: it be like if I spent sixteen hours reading about

1231
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: Steven Seagal's life and times ordinary day for me. So

1232
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: we will be back on Thursday talking about way more

1233
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: Steven Seagal and really getting into his intersections with like

1234
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: three other people we've done podcasts on because he is

1235
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: just the worst person and intersects with all the other

1236
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: worst people. But until then, I'm Robert Evans. This is

1237
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards, and I love about h