WEBVTT - Frozen with Chris Farren 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.560 On the Beck dol Cast. The questions asked if movies 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:07.200 have women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:11.440 and husbands, or do they have individualism the patriarchy zef 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:15.000 in best start changing it with the beck del Cast. 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:18.000 Hello and welcome to the Bectel Cast. My name is 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:24.600 Caitlin Durante. My name is Jamie Loft. I'm trying to trying. 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:30.520 I'm still Caitlin Darante. We have a podcast called the 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:34.040 Becktel Cast in which we discussed the portrayal and representation 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:38.960 of women in cinema through a feminist lens, because, wouldn't 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:41.440 you know it, Hollywood usually Fox up real bad when 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:44.519 it comes to portraying women. Well, I'm struggling taking this 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:48.159 baby Bell cheese out of its waxy container. Did you 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:53.640 ever know that you can't eat the wax? Yeah, if 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:56.440 you think it's food. The first time you have baby 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:58.480 Bell cheese, maybe you're I don't know, out on a 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:00.520 date with someone and they're like, hey, do you want 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:03.520 some baby Bell cheese, and you're like yeah, and then 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:07.800 you just bite into it thinking there's no task to 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:11.759 perform before you can Anyways, Well, that's a good example 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:16.360 of a conversation that I think passed the Bechdel test 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:20.560 and special what gender the date was right, and I 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:25.240 won't now uh so I'm pretty yeah that passed the 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:28.280 Bechdel test. And if you're still curious what that is, 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:32.080 I shall elaborate. Is a test that you apply to 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:36.120 media like movies for example, that requires that two female 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:38.960 characters speak to each other, they have names, and their 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:42.640 conversation cannot be about a man. That is the try 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:46.600 to bring a pussy saga again or pussy saga out 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:50.200 from last week. I think we're extremely pussy staged out. 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:52.600 Just talk to all our listeners out there who are 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:56.440 on the pussy saga that is their life. We wish 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:58.960 you the best in your pussy saga. Yes, I just 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:02.560 wanted to say it. Okay, anyway, it is mad at me. 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:06.640 I don't understand why you're mad so soon. Yeah, it 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:09.240 usually takes me like twenty minutes or so. I know, 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:12.960 I'm getting things stressed and put tearing up my cheese 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:15.800 into small pieces. No, I'm not mad. I'm happy that 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:18.240 you brought up pussy saga, but I did want to 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:20.919 just stay on track and say that the back of 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:24.359 priest is what we use as a just a basis 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:29.280 for a larger conversation. So I say, without much further ado, 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:33.480 we should introduce our guest, who is a wonderful person. 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:37.720 He is a musician. He's a very funny person. Chris Farren. Hi, 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:40.680 Hi guys, thanks for having me, Thanks for coming on 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:44.440 the podcast. Chris, of course has been fully restrained with 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:49.280 but because he is a trusted friend Bungee Cords. Yeah, 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:51.480 thank you. A comfortable restraint. Yeah, I can move a 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.160 little bit. Do we have the scary stuff? We have 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:58.040 sharper stuff, but that's for interrupters. A friend of mine, sorry, 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.280 just interrupted me, Chris, and you have to go. I 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:06.160 can leave al right. So, Chris, you have brought us 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:10.320 the movie Frozen. Why did you pick this? Tell us 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:14.440 about your history with this movie. Okay, so three years 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:17.160 ago I saw this movie for the first time, and 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:21.800 I just I really something about it really activated my mind, 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.239 and I really really liked it, and I became obsessed 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:29.360 with it, no kidding. Yeah, And I had like merch 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:33.600 that had frozen characters on it, Like I sold merch 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.800 that said my name. But I also had frozen people 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:40.680 probably illegal or definitely illegal. Well, when we were emailing 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.640 us like with your few different movie picks, uh, and 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:46.200 we were sort of deliberating which one to go with, 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:49.040 and we're like, what if, what if we just do Frozen? 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.360 And then we like combined your name with it, so 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:55.760 it was like Chris Farrozen like f A R r 0:03:56.440 --> 0:04:00.800 Z and that works. It works really well. You're both 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:04.640 on everybody. Um, I should have done that for the shirt, 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:07.280 and then like people who would come to my shows 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:13.440 would start bringing me Frozen swag, So I did. I did, Yeah, 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:15.880 for sure. I mean I still I still love it, 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.919 but I am I have a tendency to get like 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:22.960 all in on things and then I'm just like, well 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:26.240 I think it was mostly And I'm sorry to anybody 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:29.719 hearing this who maybe brought me stuff. Do you have 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:32.000 a scloosy right now? No? No, no, no no. I 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:34.960 just I get pretty sick of it because of how 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:39.520 much my own fault. I I like attached it to myself. 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:44.520 My apartment's full of frozen, and I was I like 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.520 kind of looked around one day, I was like, I 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.920 don't like anything this much, and then I kind of 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:57.000 started cooling off. Cooling off, would you say, and frozen 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:02.600 the temperature of frozen, which is cold, and then keep going, 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:06.920 keep going, keep going, don't stop. It's him stopping, much 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:13.200 like flowing water does when it gets frozen. It stops. Yes, okay, 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.479 that's cool, a good job. But again, I say thank 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:19.560 you to anybody who ever brought me any sort of 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:25.520 frozen gift. Yes, here's the thing. We often get tweets, 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:30.919 Facebook messages, different methods of correspondence from fans. Some of 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:34.720 them are men, asking us to not have so many 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:41.080 men on the podcast, I think, and we're we're we 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:44.919 hear you, We're listening to our but sometimes we're ignoring 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:48.760 as well. Something I think the reason that we still 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:52.200 have on male guests because often they are wonderful, and 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:55.479 our fans acknowledge that. But I think it's important to 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.160 in a situation like yours, where you loved the movie 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.599 Frozen and you brought it to us, like this movie 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:04.680 was intended largely for like young girl audiences like you 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:11.200 wouldn't expect a grown adult man to like really have 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:14.080 this movie resonate with them, So I think it's interesting 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:21.679 and good to include the representation of a grown wow 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:30.520 man like I'm being roasted almost, but it's nice. I 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:35.159 did like how you slowed your spears, slowed the sound 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:40.960 when you're like a full grown who likes Frozen, and 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.880 that's good that that exists too. That's how my mom 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.480 would talk to me when she thought I was like 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:51.880 doing something fucked up too much, but it wasn't illegal, 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.320 you know. She's like, well, I think it's interesting that 0:06:55.360 --> 0:07:01.479 you eat dog suit, and I can't tell you know, 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:06.159 love it anyway. What I'm going to say, Chris is 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.240 we're very happy you're here, and I'm happy to be 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.000 and we like you so much and we're so glad 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.360 you brought us the movie Frozen. This is my first 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:15.600 time seeing this movie this morning. I didn't know. And 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:18.560 I love a princess movie and all the problems that 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.640 come with it, but I love a princess movie. I 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:24.000 think the reason that I did not see this movie 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:26.440 is because when this movie came out, I was a 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.400 substitute teacher in elementary school and it would be all 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:33.760 they would talk about and it was horrible and it 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:37.360 was just total And my mom is a teacher as well, 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.480 and so this is my cousin. It was just like 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.880 there was a lot of adult fatigue coming off this 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.840 movie because it was so popular and in a way 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:50.400 that like few movies are anymore, Like it's like a 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.000 movie's just everyone has seen it, to the point where 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.520 when I was a substitute Jim teacher brag, I would 0:07:56.560 --> 0:08:00.720 could literally coerce the children into I'm just like have 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:04.440 the time with the ball over there, and then at 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:06.480 the end of class, I will play let it go 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:08.800 if you do what I tell you the whole class, 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:12.200 and they would do it. Because kids, there's something is 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:15.720 activated within them when they hear that song. Or was 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.280 a couple of years ago, but I think still is 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.840 like every child on the planet has seen this movie 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.920 and likes it. Yeah, when that song started when I 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:28.760 watched it today, when it started, I was thinking, okay, 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:33.079 this is overplayed this song, and then about halfway through it, 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:37.400 I was like, I love this song song. I was 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:40.440 so excited when she like lets her hair down and 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:45.040 then her outfit changes. It's so cool. It's a very 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:48.560 empowering song for her and moment in the movie. Yeah. Yeah, 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.520 I saw the movie for the first time. I don't 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:53.160 think I saw it in the theater, but I think 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:55.000 I saw like right after, like when it came out 0:08:55.040 --> 0:09:01.760 on DVD and Cait Loves That's Cool has more DVDs 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:04.480 than anyone I know. Most of them were bought between 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:09.560 the years of like two thousand two and two thousand ten. 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:13.280 Will say that hardly bought any in the past several years. 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:17.480 But I don't even have a DVD damn player. Wow 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:22.360 is that counter the counterculture has ever had? I don't 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:27.880 have a DVD player or a TV v Thank you 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:33.000 so much, I know so Anyway, I saw this movie 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:35.720 shortly after it came out, and it did not quite 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.440 resonate with me the same way it did for you. 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:41.080 I was like, Oh, it's cute, it's okay. But um, 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:45.120 I only saw Frozen that one time before rewatching it yesterday, 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:50.120 and I don't think it's a good movie. Like I 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:54.920 think the story is flimsy. I think overall it is 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:59.720 net positive in what messages it sends, especially considering the 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:04.400 intended audience. But like I compared this movie to Mowanna 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:08.080 and Molanna is its characters are so much better. It's 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.439 scripted so much tighter, like the songs a lot better, 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:13.560 like the animations a lot better. Molanna does feel like 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:18.120 more of a fully realized movie. There's parts of Frozen 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:22.840 that feel incomplete kind of you. We're just like thrown together. 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:24.600 It's like, why is all off there? Like I get 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.800 why he's there, but like it doesn't serve the story. 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:31.000 I hate that he's Yeah, that's a hill I'll die on. 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:33.600 I was arguing in the car over here. I think 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:35.880 that if Josh God is in the movie at all, 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:40.040 it cannot pass the backtel No, if he is on 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:43.200 the roster, it cannot. I don't know why I have 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:46.640 such a visceral hatred of Josh Gad, but I do 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:49.079 want to steal his lunch money and throw him in 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:52.760 a trash, which is just I just want to say 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:54.720 that we on the backtel cast do not endorse bullying, 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:59.800 except as it pretends to Josh. There's always an asterisk 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:04.840 her Herd's not mine. Uh should I do the recap? Yes? Okay. 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:10.880 So Frozen centers around two sisters, one named Anna and 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:15.040 one named Elsa. They are very close as children. Something 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:17.800 about Elsa's that she has these like kind of magical 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:21.280 ice powers where she can conjure up snow and she 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:26.320 can turn anything into ice and also create snowmen who 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:31.520 are anthropomorphized, and she can she just summon josh Kad, 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:38.640 which is more of a curse than anything else. And yeah, 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:41.640 so she has all these powers that are getting stronger 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:46.479 with age and that are like exacerbated when she's feeling feelings, 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:50.120 and while she's like, they're like playing with her magical powers. 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:54.160 Elsa injured, Anna and her parents have to take her 0:11:54.200 --> 0:12:00.680 to these true magical things. They're cute, they are fine, 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:03.640 they're made of stones, and they don't get why they're there. 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:07.200 So the troll King is like, we have to erase 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:11.000 all of your memories of Elsa having powers. So then 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:14.680 Elsa kind of goes into seclusion because like she's encouraged 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:17.839 by her family to not use her powers, and she's 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.120 becomes like a bit of a shut in. And then 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:24.040 their parents die, and then of course at least both 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:27.719 of them die true subverting them at least both of them, 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:33.480 because subverting the normal princess option, they become total orphans. 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:37.720 They go full orphan. And then a few years later, 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:41.000 Elsa comes of age and she is about to have 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:44.680 the coordination ceremony where she will become queen, and she's 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.040 nervous because she's like, what if my powers come through 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.840 because no one knows about them, including Anna because her 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.520 memory has been erased. And then all these visitors come 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:56.480 for the coronation, including this guy Hans, who Anna falls 0:12:56.480 --> 0:13:00.600 in love with immediately and they get engaged. Yes. Then 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:02.760 Anna goes to Elsa and she's like, do you give 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.560 us your blessing for us to get married? And also 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:11.120 is like no, that's stupid. And also ice everywhere and 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:14.000 her powers are unleashed and everyone's like, oh my god, 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:17.199 she's a monster. So she runs away and builds an 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:21.520 ice castle on a mountain, as you do. And it's 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:28.719 a beautiful castle. It is cute, stunning back into it, 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.560 I would say it's like not very well furnished, but 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.880 she can do whatever she wants. I don't even think 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:43.000 she ever sleeps. Maybe not. She doesn't need no lounge furniture. Yeah, 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:46.640 she's just walking around looking at stuff freezing this. Have 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.959 you guys heard about the the fan theory that brings 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:55.200 together Tangled and Frozen and Little Mermaid? It is it 0:13:55.280 --> 0:14:00.600 brings together a lot of white princesses. So you see 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:02.839 at the core nation scene because I knew to look 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:06.520 for this, even though I've never seen Frozen, Rapunzel is there, 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.040 um because you know, how at the end of Tangles 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:12.120 she has like that brown haircut, and but she's there. 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:14.079 You can there's like a screenshot that was like an 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:18.120 intentional Easter egg. But then one fan took it like 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:22.640 all the way and assumed that Anna and Elsa's parents 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.840 gotten a boat accident on the way to Rapunzel's wedding 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.720 and the boat sank, which is why Rapunzel would feel 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:31.960 like she has to come to the coronation three years 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:34.640 later because the parents died on the way to the wedding. Also, 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:38.680 Tangle came out three years before Frozen, and then Frozen 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.920 says three years later, so that there's that connection. Then 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:45.720 the sunken boat that the parents dying is the shipwreck 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:51.160 at the beginning of The Little Mermaid that Aerial explores, Well, 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.920 that shipwreck. I mean, we're led to believe that all 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:59.920 of this stuff happens in Frozen in like some Scandinavian culture. 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:03.160 I believe for Nordic some something like that, right, but 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:04.880 whereas but I don't know where they would be going. 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:06.840 I don't know where Rapuzzal takes place, because they would 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:10.880 be somewhere between somewhere and then Ariel, I don't even 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.960 know where she is. It's all vaguely Europe. Little Mermaid happens, 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:18.360 I believe in the Caribbean when but there's only white 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:21.600 people there. Well, it's like colonialism that are They're like, 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:23.280 it's like all the white I don't know if they're 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:26.320 French or something, but they're all um, you know, inhabiting 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:30.720 those Caribbean islands. Oh wait, there's no there's maps. No, okay, no, 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:38.080 it tracks Norway Denmark is I believe Little Mermaid Germany. Okay, 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:45.560 those are three. I don't have any information beyond Norway, Denmark, Germany. 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:48.600 Those are the three countries that is written on the 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:54.600 BuzzFeed article The train Journalist. Anyways, that's a fun I mean, 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.360 it's a fun idea to entertain. Yeah, of course. Anyway, Okay, 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:01.400 So Elsa builds her eyes castle and in so doing 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:07.480 like it unleashows this internal eternal eternal winter. So all 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:11.640 like the townspeople, they're like no, oh no. So Anna 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.080 is like, oh, I have to go to Elsa and 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:16.800 get her back so that she can be my sister 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:20.680 again and get rid of this eternal winter. In so doing, 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:24.440 she meets Christoph, who helps her get up the mountain 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.160 and then on a conference Elsa and she's like, no, 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:29.760 you have to stay away from me because you won't 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.080 be safe and I'm going to put you in danger, 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:36.000 and then immediately creates a giant snow monster to chase 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.880 her away, you know, to keep her safe. A weird, 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.040 A weird. There's so many things that happened in this 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.960 movie that, like, because it's been four years since it 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:46.680 came out, I was like, this is not what I 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:50.120 thought happened in this movie, Like, it doesn't follow the 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:53.160 storyline I had in my head. There's a lot of 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:57.480 weird ship in Elsa's defense of creating the snow monster. 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.480 Why did she do that? She was just she just 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.440 made him. And then all the Snowmonster initially did was 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:05.639 just pick him up and just throw him out. And 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:10.000 then Anna threw a snowball at him, which is yeah, 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:15.520 but he which is rude, which is aggressive. Yeah, that's aggressive. Yeah. 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:19.679 I still think that he was in the wrong and 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:22.399 that the snow Monster. Yes, and Elsa was wrong for 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:25.960 creating such an entity that was capable of such evil. 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:29.400 That's misguided yet yeah. Yeah, But she also doesn't seem 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:30.919 to have a lot of She doesn't seem to have 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:33.800 very good control of her powers, which is why she 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:38.439 secludes herself. So in some ways, by them showing up, 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:40.760 she's like, I can't control my powers. I'm not ready. 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.240 She's not totally like they're like, no, you just don't 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.920 believe in yourself. It's like no, but also she clearly does. 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:49.679 She also can't do she can't. Yeah, I see that anyway. 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:53.720 So they have to return to Aaron del Oh because 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:57.000 in this like interaction that Anna and Elsa have, Elsa 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.679 accidentally attacks her with her ice magic again, but this 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:05.040 time in her heart, and they go to Kristof's family 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:08.560 and friends, which are again the Stone Troll people. They're 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:13.439 there whenever anyway. So the Troll King is like, oh, 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:17.000 whenever the ice magic attacks you in the heart, the 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:19.720 only way to fix that is an act of true love. 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:22.760 So they interpret that to mean that Anna needs to 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:26.919 receive love true kiss from her new fiance Hans. So 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:30.000 they rushed back to the castle, but Hans is like, actually, 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:34.120 I'm a murderer. Was here just a plot and conspire 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:38.400 against you to steal the throne? Here to plot? Hey? 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:40.639 When he's actually you think you in love? But I 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:49.000 just I wish I could have said that all the 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:56.399 way through. So then Anna is like dying and Kristof 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:59.040 is like, oh, ship, I have to go back because 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:03.280 I actually love unlike Hans. And then Elsa is like, wait, 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:05.560 I fucked everything up. I almost killed my sister. I 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:07.639 have to go back to Arendel too. So there's this 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:11.440 like confrontation. Hans is about to kill Elsa, and Anna 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:15.520 sacrifices herself to save Elsa, which is the act of 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:18.480 true love that was needed to melt her icy heart 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:20.640 and bring her back to life. Love it. And then 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:25.600 like Hans gets arrested, Anna and Christophe share a kiss, 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:28.280 and then that's pretty much the end of the movie 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:30.159 and they're like, oh my god, it's summer again, and 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:33.280 oh love is what thaws everything. So I just have 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:36.760 to feel love because Elsa had been told not to 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:41.000 feel anything, and now she's like, what Conzila, don't feel exactly, 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:47.960 but if I feel, so everything's fixed and al office 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:51.840 still there. Why doesn't someone take a blowtorch to that thing? 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:55.879 It's awful? The opposite of that, they give him a 0:19:56.119 --> 0:20:01.240 snows carry him around and his own little Netflix special 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:03.440 or whatever. The fun. Oh no, wait, there's that thing 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:06.520 that what movie did that play before Coco? There was 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:10.119 a twenty two minute long Disney short that played in 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:11.960 front of Cocoa, and it was the worst thing I've 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:13.760 ever seen in my life and I'm so People were 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:16.320 so upset about that that they stopped showing it. They 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:20.159 were like, there's a half hour Josh gad joint, Like, 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:22.240 no one would pay for that. It has to be 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:29.280 foisted upon you, God, Josh Gada. So that's the story 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:32.760 of Frozen. Thanks for the cat, Thank you so much. 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:36.600 Here's some initial thoughts I have. Okay, well, Jamie, you 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:40.240 mentioned both the parents dying, so subverting the trope, because 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:43.320 most Disney movies, especially ones that are fairy tales, have 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:46.200 like the dead mom trope where it's a princess and 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:48.760 she has no mom but her dad is still around. 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:51.640 This movie, both of her parents are alive, but if 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:55.680 you notice, her mom doesn't say anything. She is there, 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:58.560 but it's like the king who does all the talking 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:02.240 and makes all the decision and the mother I don't 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:06.679 think has a single line, not that I notice, but 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:10.560 it's bizarre because it's like they do a few shots 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:13.560 on her giving a meaningful look, and it's like, why 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:17.119 can't she just say something? Because there it would be 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:20.400 kind of interesting to have introduced that into the dynamic 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:23.120 of the parents of like, I wouldn't think it would 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:25.120 be out of the realm of possibility, for like, obviously 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:28.640 the king has the final word because literal patriarchy. But 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:30.879 to see the queen be like, maybe we shouldn't do this, 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:33.040 Maybe we shouldn't force our daughters to be separate their 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:35.359 whole life, just like a line of that would have 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.440 been helpful. But you see her give I think at 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:41.480 one point she gives Anna like this look of like yeah, 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:45.520 it sucks, don't it, But she doesn't say anything. I 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:48.800 was frustrated by that. Yeah, I think there was easily 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:52.879 an opportunity to introduce that sort of dynamic. Cut the 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:55.359 scene where all Off is imagining what summer would be 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:57.120 like for him, Like that doesn't need to be there, 0:21:57.119 --> 0:22:03.399 good mouth bit me I have so much Like those 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:06.120 scenes do not advance the story at all. They shouldn't 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:08.800 be there. There should be more time developing, yeah, like 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:13.080 something like the mother character. Instead we have a snowman 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:17.360 on a beach. Hilarious. So glad it's there. I honestly 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:19.199 like the second that song hit. I was like, I 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:21.920 knew this was coming, and I'm fast forwarding this ship. 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:25.000 But yeah, I mean, even from like a story standpoint, 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:28.520 if we're even putting gender aside, like we're not attached 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:31.760 to the parent characters at all because they are sort 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:33.959 of just like mean and misguided and they die and 0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:36.359 you feel bad because you like Anna and Elsa, but 0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:39.320 not because you like had any attachment to the right, 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:42.120 so you're like, oh, they just sucked. Yeah. So then 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:46.360 a few story beats later, it's Coronation Day, and um, 0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:48.760 there's a whole song. There's a whole song in which 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:52.000 Anna sings about how she she's so excited for the 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:54.280 people to come because she's been so lonely, which makes sense, 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:56.400 like she's basically like, how to get rid of most 0:22:56.440 --> 0:22:59.080 of the staff and the castle princesses can't stop being 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:03.600 locked in their home, right, Princess under House arrested, So 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:06.320 it makes sense that she's excited. But then the song 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:10.320 basically shifts to the focus is her like, oh my god, 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:12.320 what if I meet the one I'm so excited to 0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:16.119 fall him up today? And then so this story is 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:19.680 mostly about her relationship with her sister, but a large 0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:23.800 part of her motivation. Of Anna's motivation is falling in 0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:26.160 love with and being in a relationship with a man. 0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:29.360 I get why they're doing that, because this is still 0:23:29.440 --> 0:23:34.400 a fairy tale, and that trope of her whole desire 0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:36.480 being to fall in love with a man and to 0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:38.879 end up with a man is subverted at the end. 0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:41.840 But it's just I don't know, it's just like, well, 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:46.640 why can't we just eliminate that altogether? Yeah, I think 0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:49.280 that this is like in a way that Moanna fortunately 0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:52.480 doesn't frozen, like kind of tries to have its cake 0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:54.600 and eat it too, with a lot of the commentary 0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:58.159 it's making with like oh yeah, like Anna realizes she 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:01.080 doesn't mean a man, she still ends up with, but 0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:04.840 you know, so it's it's like we're presented with I mean, 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:06.760 I didn't even really have that much of a problem 0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:09.119 with the coronation thing because I feel like it was 0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:12.400