Speaker 1: On the Beck dol Cast. The questions asked if movies
Speaker 1: have women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends
Speaker 1: and husbands, or do they have individualism the patriarchy zef
Speaker 1: in best start changing it with the beck del Cast.
Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the Bectel Cast. My name is
Speaker 1: Caitlin Durante. My name is Jamie Loft. I'm trying to trying.
Speaker 1: I'm still Caitlin Darante. We have a podcast called the
Speaker 1: Becktel Cast in which we discussed the portrayal and representation
Speaker 1: of women in cinema through a feminist lens, because, wouldn't
Speaker 1: you know it, Hollywood usually Fox up real bad when
Speaker 1: it comes to portraying women. Well, I'm struggling taking this
Speaker 1: baby Bell cheese out of its waxy container. Did you
Speaker 1: ever know that you can't eat the wax? Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you think it's food. The first time you have baby
Speaker 1: Bell cheese, maybe you're I don't know, out on a
Speaker 1: date with someone and they're like, hey, do you want
Speaker 1: some baby Bell cheese, and you're like yeah, and then
Speaker 1: you just bite into it thinking there's no task to
Speaker 1: perform before you can Anyways, Well, that's a good example
Speaker 1: of a conversation that I think passed the Bechdel test
Speaker 1: and special what gender the date was right, and I
Speaker 1: won't now uh so I'm pretty yeah that passed the
Speaker 1: Bechdel test. And if you're still curious what that is,
Speaker 1: I shall elaborate. Is a test that you apply to
Speaker 1: media like movies for example, that requires that two female
Speaker 1: characters speak to each other, they have names, and their
Speaker 1: conversation cannot be about a man. That is the try
Speaker 1: to bring a pussy saga again or pussy saga out
Speaker 1: from last week. I think we're extremely pussy staged out.
Speaker 1: Just talk to all our listeners out there who are
Speaker 1: on the pussy saga that is their life. We wish
Speaker 1: you the best in your pussy saga. Yes, I just
Speaker 1: wanted to say it. Okay, anyway, it is mad at me.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why you're mad so soon. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: usually takes me like twenty minutes or so. I know,
Speaker 1: I'm getting things stressed and put tearing up my cheese
Speaker 1: into small pieces. No, I'm not mad. I'm happy that
Speaker 1: you brought up pussy saga, but I did want to
Speaker 1: just stay on track and say that the back of
Speaker 1: priest is what we use as a just a basis
Speaker 1: for a larger conversation. So I say, without much further ado,
Speaker 1: we should introduce our guest, who is a wonderful person.
Speaker 1: He is a musician. He's a very funny person. Chris Farren. Hi,
Speaker 1: Hi guys, thanks for having me, Thanks for coming on
Speaker 1: the podcast. Chris, of course has been fully restrained with
Speaker 1: but because he is a trusted friend Bungee Cords. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. A comfortable restraint. Yeah, I can move a
Speaker 1: little bit. Do we have the scary stuff? We have
Speaker 1: sharper stuff, but that's for interrupters. A friend of mine, sorry,
Speaker 1: just interrupted me, Chris, and you have to go. I
Speaker 1: can leave al right. So, Chris, you have brought us
Speaker 1: the movie Frozen. Why did you pick this? Tell us
Speaker 1: about your history with this movie. Okay, so three years
Speaker 1: ago I saw this movie for the first time, and
Speaker 1: I just I really something about it really activated my mind,
Speaker 1: and I really really liked it, and I became obsessed
Speaker 1: with it, no kidding. Yeah, And I had like merch
Speaker 1: that had frozen characters on it, Like I sold merch
Speaker 1: that said my name. But I also had frozen people
Speaker 1: probably illegal or definitely illegal. Well, when we were emailing
Speaker 1: us like with your few different movie picks, uh, and
Speaker 1: we were sort of deliberating which one to go with,
Speaker 1: and we're like, what if, what if we just do Frozen?
Speaker 1: And then we like combined your name with it, so
Speaker 1: it was like Chris Farrozen like f A R r
Speaker 1: Z and that works. It works really well. You're both
Speaker 1: on everybody. Um, I should have done that for the shirt,
Speaker 1: and then like people who would come to my shows
Speaker 1: would start bringing me Frozen swag, So I did. I did, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean I still I still love it,
Speaker 1: but I am I have a tendency to get like
Speaker 1: all in on things and then I'm just like, well
Speaker 1: I think it was mostly And I'm sorry to anybody
Speaker 1: hearing this who maybe brought me stuff. Do you have
Speaker 1: a scloosy right now? No? No, no, no no. I
Speaker 1: just I get pretty sick of it because of how
Speaker 1: much my own fault. I I like attached it to myself.
Speaker 1: My apartment's full of frozen, and I was I like
Speaker 1: kind of looked around one day, I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't like anything this much, and then I kind of
Speaker 1: started cooling off. Cooling off, would you say, and frozen
Speaker 1: the temperature of frozen, which is cold, and then keep going,
Speaker 1: keep going, keep going, don't stop. It's him stopping, much
Speaker 1: like flowing water does when it gets frozen. It stops. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: that's cool, a good job. But again, I say thank
Speaker 1: you to anybody who ever brought me any sort of
Speaker 1: frozen gift. Yes, here's the thing. We often get tweets,
Speaker 1: Facebook messages, different methods of correspondence from fans. Some of
Speaker 1: them are men, asking us to not have so many
Speaker 1: men on the podcast, I think, and we're we're we
Speaker 1: hear you, We're listening to our but sometimes we're ignoring
Speaker 1: as well. Something I think the reason that we still
Speaker 1: have on male guests because often they are wonderful, and
Speaker 1: our fans acknowledge that. But I think it's important to
Speaker 1: in a situation like yours, where you loved the movie
Speaker 1: Frozen and you brought it to us, like this movie
Speaker 1: was intended largely for like young girl audiences like you
Speaker 1: wouldn't expect a grown adult man to like really have
Speaker 1: this movie resonate with them, So I think it's interesting
Speaker 1: and good to include the representation of a grown wow
Speaker 1: man like I'm being roasted almost, but it's nice. I
Speaker 1: did like how you slowed your spears, slowed the sound
Speaker 1: when you're like a full grown who likes Frozen, and
Speaker 1: that's good that that exists too. That's how my mom
Speaker 1: would talk to me when she thought I was like
Speaker 1: doing something fucked up too much, but it wasn't illegal,
Speaker 1: you know. She's like, well, I think it's interesting that
Speaker 1: you eat dog suit, and I can't tell you know,
Speaker 1: love it anyway. What I'm going to say, Chris is
Speaker 1: we're very happy you're here, and I'm happy to be
Speaker 1: and we like you so much and we're so glad
Speaker 1: you brought us the movie Frozen. This is my first
Speaker 1: time seeing this movie this morning. I didn't know. And
Speaker 1: I love a princess movie and all the problems that
Speaker 1: come with it, but I love a princess movie. I
Speaker 1: think the reason that I did not see this movie
Speaker 1: is because when this movie came out, I was a
Speaker 1: substitute teacher in elementary school and it would be all
Speaker 1: they would talk about and it was horrible and it
Speaker 1: was just total And my mom is a teacher as well,
Speaker 1: and so this is my cousin. It was just like
Speaker 1: there was a lot of adult fatigue coming off this
Speaker 1: movie because it was so popular and in a way
Speaker 1: that like few movies are anymore, Like it's like a
Speaker 1: movie's just everyone has seen it, to the point where
Speaker 1: when I was a substitute Jim teacher brag, I would
Speaker 1: could literally coerce the children into I'm just like have
Speaker 1: the time with the ball over there, and then at
Speaker 1: the end of class, I will play let it go
Speaker 1: if you do what I tell you the whole class,
Speaker 1: and they would do it. Because kids, there's something is
Speaker 1: activated within them when they hear that song. Or was
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, but I think still is
Speaker 1: like every child on the planet has seen this movie
Speaker 1: and likes it. Yeah, when that song started when I
Speaker 1: watched it today, when it started, I was thinking, okay,
Speaker 1: this is overplayed this song, and then about halfway through it,
Speaker 1: I was like, I love this song song. I was
Speaker 1: so excited when she like lets her hair down and
Speaker 1: then her outfit changes. It's so cool. It's a very
Speaker 1: empowering song for her and moment in the movie. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw the movie for the first time. I don't
Speaker 1: think I saw it in the theater, but I think
Speaker 1: I saw like right after, like when it came out
Speaker 1: on DVD and Cait Loves That's Cool has more DVDs
Speaker 1: than anyone I know. Most of them were bought between
Speaker 1: the years of like two thousand two and two thousand ten.
Speaker 1: Will say that hardly bought any in the past several years.
Speaker 1: But I don't even have a DVD damn player. Wow
Speaker 1: is that counter the counterculture has ever had? I don't
Speaker 1: have a DVD player or a TV v Thank you
Speaker 1: so much, I know so Anyway, I saw this movie
Speaker 1: shortly after it came out, and it did not quite
Speaker 1: resonate with me the same way it did for you.
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, it's cute, it's okay. But um,
Speaker 1: I only saw Frozen that one time before rewatching it yesterday,
Speaker 1: and I don't think it's a good movie. Like I
Speaker 1: think the story is flimsy. I think overall it is
Speaker 1: net positive in what messages it sends, especially considering the
Speaker 1: intended audience. But like I compared this movie to Mowanna
Speaker 1: and Molanna is its characters are so much better. It's
Speaker 1: scripted so much tighter, like the songs a lot better,
Speaker 1: like the animations a lot better. Molanna does feel like
Speaker 1: more of a fully realized movie. There's parts of Frozen
Speaker 1: that feel incomplete kind of you. We're just like thrown together.
Speaker 1: It's like, why is all off there? Like I get
Speaker 1: why he's there, but like it doesn't serve the story.
Speaker 1: I hate that he's Yeah, that's a hill I'll die on.
Speaker 1: I was arguing in the car over here. I think
Speaker 1: that if Josh God is in the movie at all,
Speaker 1: it cannot pass the backtel No, if he is on
Speaker 1: the roster, it cannot. I don't know why I have
Speaker 1: such a visceral hatred of Josh Gad, but I do
Speaker 1: want to steal his lunch money and throw him in
Speaker 1: a trash, which is just I just want to say
Speaker 1: that we on the backtel cast do not endorse bullying,
Speaker 1: except as it pretends to Josh. There's always an asterisk
Speaker 1: her Herd's not mine. Uh should I do the recap? Yes? Okay.
Speaker 1: So Frozen centers around two sisters, one named Anna and
Speaker 1: one named Elsa. They are very close as children. Something
Speaker 1: about Elsa's that she has these like kind of magical
Speaker 1: ice powers where she can conjure up snow and she
Speaker 1: can turn anything into ice and also create snowmen who
Speaker 1: are anthropomorphized, and she can she just summon josh Kad,
Speaker 1: which is more of a curse than anything else. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so she has all these powers that are getting stronger
Speaker 1: with age and that are like exacerbated when she's feeling feelings,
Speaker 1: and while she's like, they're like playing with her magical powers.
Speaker 1: Elsa injured, Anna and her parents have to take her
Speaker 1: to these true magical things. They're cute, they are fine,
Speaker 1: they're made of stones, and they don't get why they're there.
Speaker 1: So the troll King is like, we have to erase
Speaker 1: all of your memories of Elsa having powers. So then
Speaker 1: Elsa kind of goes into seclusion because like she's encouraged
Speaker 1: by her family to not use her powers, and she's
Speaker 1: becomes like a bit of a shut in. And then
Speaker 1: their parents die, and then of course at least both
Speaker 1: of them die true subverting them at least both of them,
Speaker 1: because subverting the normal princess option, they become total orphans.
Speaker 1: They go full orphan. And then a few years later,
Speaker 1: Elsa comes of age and she is about to have
Speaker 1: the coordination ceremony where she will become queen, and she's
Speaker 1: nervous because she's like, what if my powers come through
Speaker 1: because no one knows about them, including Anna because her
Speaker 1: memory has been erased. And then all these visitors come
Speaker 1: for the coronation, including this guy Hans, who Anna falls
Speaker 1: in love with immediately and they get engaged. Yes. Then
Speaker 1: Anna goes to Elsa and she's like, do you give
Speaker 1: us your blessing for us to get married? And also
Speaker 1: is like no, that's stupid. And also ice everywhere and
Speaker 1: her powers are unleashed and everyone's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: she's a monster. So she runs away and builds an
Speaker 1: ice castle on a mountain, as you do. And it's
Speaker 1: a beautiful castle. It is cute, stunning back into it,
Speaker 1: I would say it's like not very well furnished, but
Speaker 1: she can do whatever she wants. I don't even think
Speaker 1: she ever sleeps. Maybe not. She doesn't need no lounge furniture. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's just walking around looking at stuff freezing this. Have
Speaker 1: you guys heard about the the fan theory that brings
Speaker 1: together Tangled and Frozen and Little Mermaid? It is it
Speaker 1: brings together a lot of white princesses. So you see
Speaker 1: at the core nation scene because I knew to look
Speaker 1: for this, even though I've never seen Frozen, Rapunzel is there,
Speaker 1: um because you know, how at the end of Tangles
Speaker 1: she has like that brown haircut, and but she's there.
Speaker 1: You can there's like a screenshot that was like an
Speaker 1: intentional Easter egg. But then one fan took it like
Speaker 1: all the way and assumed that Anna and Elsa's parents
Speaker 1: gotten a boat accident on the way to Rapunzel's wedding
Speaker 1: and the boat sank, which is why Rapunzel would feel
Speaker 1: like she has to come to the coronation three years
Speaker 1: later because the parents died on the way to the wedding. Also,
Speaker 1: Tangle came out three years before Frozen, and then Frozen
Speaker 1: says three years later, so that there's that connection. Then
Speaker 1: the sunken boat that the parents dying is the shipwreck
Speaker 1: at the beginning of The Little Mermaid that Aerial explores, Well,
Speaker 1: that shipwreck. I mean, we're led to believe that all
Speaker 1: of this stuff happens in Frozen in like some Scandinavian culture.
Speaker 1: I believe for Nordic some something like that, right, but
Speaker 1: whereas but I don't know where they would be going.
Speaker 1: I don't know where Rapuzzal takes place, because they would
Speaker 1: be somewhere between somewhere and then Ariel, I don't even
Speaker 1: know where she is. It's all vaguely Europe. Little Mermaid happens,
Speaker 1: I believe in the Caribbean when but there's only white
Speaker 1: people there. Well, it's like colonialism that are They're like,
Speaker 1: it's like all the white I don't know if they're
Speaker 1: French or something, but they're all um, you know, inhabiting
Speaker 1: those Caribbean islands. Oh wait, there's no there's maps. No, okay, no,
Speaker 1: it tracks Norway Denmark is I believe Little Mermaid Germany. Okay,
Speaker 1: those are three. I don't have any information beyond Norway, Denmark, Germany.
Speaker 1: Those are the three countries that is written on the
Speaker 1: BuzzFeed article The train Journalist. Anyways, that's a fun I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a fun idea to entertain. Yeah, of course. Anyway, Okay,
Speaker 1: So Elsa builds her eyes castle and in so doing
Speaker 1: like it unleashows this internal eternal eternal winter. So all
Speaker 1: like the townspeople, they're like no, oh no. So Anna
Speaker 1: is like, oh, I have to go to Elsa and
Speaker 1: get her back so that she can be my sister
Speaker 1: again and get rid of this eternal winter. In so doing,
Speaker 1: she meets Christoph, who helps her get up the mountain
Speaker 1: and then on a conference Elsa and she's like, no,
Speaker 1: you have to stay away from me because you won't
Speaker 1: be safe and I'm going to put you in danger,
Speaker 1: and then immediately creates a giant snow monster to chase
Speaker 1: her away, you know, to keep her safe. A weird,
Speaker 1: A weird. There's so many things that happened in this
Speaker 1: movie that, like, because it's been four years since it
Speaker 1: came out, I was like, this is not what I
Speaker 1: thought happened in this movie, Like, it doesn't follow the
Speaker 1: storyline I had in my head. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: weird ship in Elsa's defense of creating the snow monster.
Speaker 1: Why did she do that? She was just she just
Speaker 1: made him. And then all the Snowmonster initially did was
Speaker 1: just pick him up and just throw him out. And
Speaker 1: then Anna threw a snowball at him, which is yeah,
Speaker 1: but he which is rude, which is aggressive. Yeah, that's aggressive. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I still think that he was in the wrong and
Speaker 1: that the snow Monster. Yes, and Elsa was wrong for
Speaker 1: creating such an entity that was capable of such evil.
Speaker 1: That's misguided yet yeah. Yeah, But she also doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to have a lot of She doesn't seem to have
Speaker 1: very good control of her powers, which is why she
Speaker 1: secludes herself. So in some ways, by them showing up,
Speaker 1: she's like, I can't control my powers. I'm not ready.
Speaker 1: She's not totally like they're like, no, you just don't
Speaker 1: believe in yourself. It's like no, but also she clearly does.
Speaker 1: She also can't do she can't. Yeah, I see that anyway.
Speaker 1: So they have to return to Aaron del Oh because
Speaker 1: in this like interaction that Anna and Elsa have, Elsa
Speaker 1: accidentally attacks her with her ice magic again, but this
Speaker 1: time in her heart, and they go to Kristof's family
Speaker 1: and friends, which are again the Stone Troll people. They're
Speaker 1: there whenever anyway. So the Troll King is like, oh,
Speaker 1: whenever the ice magic attacks you in the heart, the
Speaker 1: only way to fix that is an act of true love.
Speaker 1: So they interpret that to mean that Anna needs to
Speaker 1: receive love true kiss from her new fiance Hans. So
Speaker 1: they rushed back to the castle, but Hans is like, actually,
Speaker 1: I'm a murderer. Was here just a plot and conspire
Speaker 1: against you to steal the throne? Here to plot? Hey?
Speaker 1: When he's actually you think you in love? But I
Speaker 1: just I wish I could have said that all the
Speaker 1: way through. So then Anna is like dying and Kristof
Speaker 1: is like, oh, ship, I have to go back because
Speaker 1: I actually love unlike Hans. And then Elsa is like, wait,
Speaker 1: I fucked everything up. I almost killed my sister. I
Speaker 1: have to go back to Arendel too. So there's this
Speaker 1: like confrontation. Hans is about to kill Elsa, and Anna
Speaker 1: sacrifices herself to save Elsa, which is the act of
Speaker 1: true love that was needed to melt her icy heart
Speaker 1: and bring her back to life. Love it. And then
Speaker 1: like Hans gets arrested, Anna and Christophe share a kiss,
Speaker 1: and then that's pretty much the end of the movie
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh my god, it's summer again, and
Speaker 1: oh love is what thaws everything. So I just have
Speaker 1: to feel love because Elsa had been told not to
Speaker 1: feel anything, and now she's like, what Conzila, don't feel exactly,
Speaker 1: but if I feel, so everything's fixed and al office
Speaker 1: still there. Why doesn't someone take a blowtorch to that thing?
Speaker 1: It's awful? The opposite of that, they give him a
Speaker 1: snows carry him around and his own little Netflix special
Speaker 1: or whatever. The fun. Oh no, wait, there's that thing
Speaker 1: that what movie did that play before Coco? There was
Speaker 1: a twenty two minute long Disney short that played in
Speaker 1: front of Cocoa, and it was the worst thing I've
Speaker 1: ever seen in my life and I'm so People were
Speaker 1: so upset about that that they stopped showing it. They
Speaker 1: were like, there's a half hour Josh gad joint, Like,
Speaker 1: no one would pay for that. It has to be
Speaker 1: foisted upon you, God, Josh Gada. So that's the story
Speaker 1: of Frozen. Thanks for the cat, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Here's some initial thoughts I have. Okay, well, Jamie, you
Speaker 1: mentioned both the parents dying, so subverting the trope, because
Speaker 1: most Disney movies, especially ones that are fairy tales, have
Speaker 1: like the dead mom trope where it's a princess and
Speaker 1: she has no mom but her dad is still around.
Speaker 1: This movie, both of her parents are alive, but if
Speaker 1: you notice, her mom doesn't say anything. She is there,
Speaker 1: but it's like the king who does all the talking
Speaker 1: and makes all the decision and the mother I don't
Speaker 1: think has a single line, not that I notice, but
Speaker 1: it's bizarre because it's like they do a few shots
Speaker 1: on her giving a meaningful look, and it's like, why
Speaker 1: can't she just say something? Because there it would be
Speaker 1: kind of interesting to have introduced that into the dynamic
Speaker 1: of the parents of like, I wouldn't think it would
Speaker 1: be out of the realm of possibility, for like, obviously
Speaker 1: the king has the final word because literal patriarchy. But
Speaker 1: to see the queen be like, maybe we shouldn't do this,
Speaker 1: Maybe we shouldn't force our daughters to be separate their
Speaker 1: whole life, just like a line of that would have
Speaker 1: been helpful. But you see her give I think at
Speaker 1: one point she gives Anna like this look of like yeah,
Speaker 1: it sucks, don't it, But she doesn't say anything. I
Speaker 1: was frustrated by that. Yeah, I think there was easily
Speaker 1: an opportunity to introduce that sort of dynamic. Cut the
Speaker 1: scene where all Off is imagining what summer would be
Speaker 1: like for him, Like that doesn't need to be there,
Speaker 1: good mouth bit me I have so much Like those
Speaker 1: scenes do not advance the story at all. They shouldn't
Speaker 1: be there. There should be more time developing, yeah, like
Speaker 1: something like the mother character. Instead we have a snowman
Speaker 1: on a beach. Hilarious. So glad it's there. I honestly
Speaker 1: like the second that song hit. I was like, I
Speaker 1: knew this was coming, and I'm fast forwarding this ship.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, even from like a story standpoint,
Speaker 1: if we're even putting gender aside, like we're not attached
Speaker 1: to the parent characters at all because they are sort
Speaker 1: of just like mean and misguided and they die and
Speaker 1: you feel bad because you like Anna and Elsa, but
Speaker 1: not because you like had any attachment to the right,
Speaker 1: so you're like, oh, they just sucked. Yeah. So then
Speaker 1: a few story beats later, it's Coronation Day, and um,
Speaker 1: there's a whole song. There's a whole song in which
Speaker 1: Anna sings about how she she's so excited for the
Speaker 1: people to come because she's been so lonely, which makes sense,
Speaker 1: like she's basically like, how to get rid of most
Speaker 1: of the staff and the castle princesses can't stop being
Speaker 1: locked in their home, right, Princess under House arrested, So
Speaker 1: it makes sense that she's excited. But then the song
Speaker 1: basically shifts to the focus is her like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what if I meet the one I'm so excited to
Speaker 1: fall him up today? And then so this story is
Speaker 1: mostly about her relationship with her sister, but a large
Speaker 1: part of her motivation. Of Anna's motivation is falling in
Speaker 1: love with and being in a relationship with a man.
Speaker 1: I get why they're doing that, because this is still
Speaker 1: a fairy tale, and that trope of her whole desire
Speaker 1: being to fall in love with a man and to
Speaker 1: end up with a man is subverted at the end.
Speaker 1: But it's just I don't know, it's just like, well,
Speaker 1: why can't we just eliminate that altogether? Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that this is like in a way that Moanna fortunately
Speaker 1: doesn't frozen, like kind of tries to have its cake
Speaker 1: and eat it too, with a lot of the commentary
Speaker 1: it's making with like oh yeah, like Anna realizes she
Speaker 1: doesn't mean a man, she still ends up with, but
Speaker 1: you know, so it's it's like we're presented with I mean,
Speaker 1: I didn't even really have that much of a problem
Speaker 1: with the coronation thing because I feel like it was
Speaker 1: commented on enough of like, oh, love at first sight
Speaker 1: with strangers is uh a scary concept to teach the children, uh,
Speaker 1: and don't do that. And then she, you know, we
Speaker 1: then see her get to know a guy and then
Speaker 1: end up with him, which isn't the worst, but it's
Speaker 1: like then Disney still has its way with like one
Speaker 1: of the princesses ends up with a guy at the end,
Speaker 1: and it's the context is shifted a little, but not
Speaker 1: quite enough for it to be like and it was
Speaker 1: subverted because it don't it's like like the way there
Speaker 1: or not even that much because initially what they said,
Speaker 1: it's the concept of the movie was to have a
Speaker 1: movie that wasn't about romantic love, which I think they
Speaker 1: tried to do, but they but then she still has
Speaker 1: cost these characters who end up being loved triangle, right, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I feel like the way that they try to
Speaker 1: talk that off is like, well but there's two princesses
Speaker 1: and only one of them ends up with the guy.
Speaker 1: But it's like, no, that's not how that works. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's frustrating because it's like, it's not that I even
Speaker 1: have a problem with someone ending up with someone, but
Speaker 1: it's like, then, don't say you're making this commentary if
Speaker 1: you're gonna have her end up with a guy at
Speaker 1: the end, because then you're not really doing what you
Speaker 1: said you're doing. I mean, I can see it where
Speaker 1: like their relationship isn't the focus of the story. But
Speaker 1: it is enough of a part of it that you
Speaker 1: can't ignore it. So yeah, I have kind of mixed
Speaker 1: feelings about it. And then the switch that they go
Speaker 1: back because they're like, oh, we have to go find
Speaker 1: Hans because love like that pushes such a large part
Speaker 1: of the story. But then it's like, oh, well, she
Speaker 1: realizes that's not what it is. But then it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is. But then now she's just gonna marry this
Speaker 1: reindeer guy who's to her, who negs her constantly, always
Speaker 1: telling her to calm down because women be so emotional.
Speaker 1: And it's like, dude, you hang out with a reindeer
Speaker 1: all your life, your whole life, yeah, your only friend
Speaker 1: and trolls. Let's apply let's apply the test there, Steve
Speaker 1: Bushey hanging out with a reindeer his whole life, meets
Speaker 1: a lady. He's a killer. He's not a love interest,
Speaker 1: all right, because the movie opens with like young Christoph
Speaker 1: and he's like harvesting ice because he's in the ice business.
Speaker 1: That's the worst song, by the way, it's a really
Speaker 1: bad song. That's the worst song. That's the worst type
Speaker 1: of song in any Why is it in the movie, Like,
Speaker 1: why do why do we open off that? That's insane.
Speaker 1: I don't understand what they're really doing either. They're just
Speaker 1: like mining ice, their ice prospectors. Yeah yeah, where do
Speaker 1: they bring it? And they better get it there fast?
Speaker 1: Hold right, it'll melt. That's the worst song. Second worst
Speaker 1: song is the one where she's getting ready for the party.
Speaker 1: I have a mental ranking. Oh yeah, wait, what are
Speaker 1: your hot rankings of the song? Okay, I gotta write
Speaker 1: this down. Yeah, pull up, pull up the soundtrack, figure
Speaker 1: this out, all right. I am genuinely so from memory
Speaker 1: that we've got and I don't know the names of him. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we got ice, guys. Making ice is the worst song.
Speaker 1: Worst and the next worst is getting ready for the
Speaker 1: party first time and forever is what it's called. Love
Speaker 1: is an open door. Uh snow man, I would not
Speaker 1: die in the heat. Third worst, And then we have
Speaker 1: the troll song. Oh right, the fixer upper, fixer Upper.
Speaker 1: It's actually a pretty good song. Uh so I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: build a snowman. Chris is a professional music right, so
Speaker 1: what he says what I say goes, Yes, this is hey,
Speaker 1: this is your wheelhouse. Yes, we're letting you fly. Okay,
Speaker 1: so worst, second worst worst, and then Bill the Snowman
Speaker 1: is fourth but not worst. It's getting good. Now, I
Speaker 1: did my ranking really weird, and then I would say
Speaker 1: fix her upper fifth worst it was actually pretty good.
Speaker 1: And then sixth worst is love his Open Door, which
Speaker 1: is actually a very good song, and then seventh worst
Speaker 1: just let it go and seven words equals the best
Speaker 1: seventh worst. Yeah, there are only seven songs. That's I
Speaker 1: have another big issue. Maybe you're forgetting one or two,
Speaker 1: but I feel like there's a lot of mini songs
Speaker 1: where you're starts his Little Reindeer song in the in
Speaker 1: the Shed that's not kindudn't even count. But the ice song,
Speaker 1: the ice grunt song, is still worse than that song. Right,
Speaker 1: But like the last half hour of the movie, no songs,
Speaker 1: which bothers me the trouble. They're too busy, they're too
Speaker 1: busy doing stuff, but they should have a song if
Speaker 1: that's all. It totally weird. Like, Yeah, I was reading
Speaker 1: through and I think that this is kind of like
Speaker 1: emblematic of how hard it is to get a cohesive,
Speaker 1: cogent story about women told at all, especially on this
Speaker 1: high level where it's all I mean, it's like John Lassetter,
Speaker 1: which is a whole other thing to unpack because he
Speaker 1: was very involved in this. But like, if you read
Speaker 1: through the writing process of this movie, it's crazy how
Speaker 1: much changes over the course of time. Where it starts
Speaker 1: out good sister, evil sister, where Else's pure evil and
Speaker 1: she frees it on his heart on purpose. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: women on women straight up, like sisters hating each other
Speaker 1: for basically no reason. And they brought in a female screenwriter,
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lee, who also co directs the movie also wrote
Speaker 1: the screenplay for Wreck It ralph Um. But they do
Speaker 1: another draft of it, and this time it's like Else'
Speaker 1: is less mean, but she still is hurting Anna on
Speaker 1: purpose because she's jealous of her, and like, but that's
Speaker 1: like how these movies have always been written of, Like
Speaker 1: if we're putting in on like you know, a princess
Speaker 1: in any stepmother, any second wife, that's like the dynamic.
Speaker 1: And when you go through the history of it took
Speaker 1: a couple of years for this movie to get written
Speaker 1: in its current way, which is still not perfect, but
Speaker 1: it's at least you're viewing the sisters as like equals,
Speaker 1: you know, instead of like good and bad It's just
Speaker 1: crazy how how hard it is to get a story
Speaker 1: about two women told that isn't like based around jealousy
Speaker 1: or like one hating the other or whatever. So right,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, this movie subverts at least some of
Speaker 1: the tropes of a Disney fairy tale princess story, but
Speaker 1: it's still adheres to a lot of them in the
Speaker 1: sense that. So, I mean, Anna is the main character,
Speaker 1: She's the protector. We see the story from her point
Speaker 1: of view. She's the one with the most agency and
Speaker 1: bearing on this story. She decides on her own that
Speaker 1: she's gonna set off sort of on her own adventure
Speaker 1: to go and bring Elsa back so that they can
Speaker 1: figure out how to melt this eternal winter. But um
Speaker 1: has three male cohorts by the time she gets there,
Speaker 1: and like she basically she sets off on her own,
Speaker 1: but then almost immediately needs the help of a man,
Speaker 1: and that's when we meet Christoph. And then there's that
Speaker 1: scene where they're being attacked by wolves, which what is
Speaker 1: it with the evil representation of wolves in Disney movies.
Speaker 1: I mean, gosh, this wolve there pro wolf agenda, you
Speaker 1: know what for our wolf listeners out there, like they
Speaker 1: would be upset big wolf community. I didn't know that
Speaker 1: they have a lot of wolf fans. I get all
Speaker 1: really well with coyotes. Coyote yesterday driving I wait, the
Speaker 1: coyote was not driving, was just looking at another dog. See,
Speaker 1: they do kind of just look like sick dogs, So
Speaker 1: it gets confusing. Yeah, and I think that would offend
Speaker 1: our coyote listeners. I've almost I've almost touched a coyote
Speaker 1: multiple times and then been like that dog is so sick. Well, anyway,
Speaker 1: moving on from wolf like creatures, so the wolves are
Speaker 1: attacking them. She's like, I want to help, and Christos like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't trust your judgment because you just got engaged
Speaker 1: yesterday to a man that you've hardly Yeah. He's so
Speaker 1: mean to her, acts so indifferent to her, and then
Speaker 1: when that comes up, he's like what that's crazy, and
Speaker 1: she's just like what do you care? Right? Yeah, hard
Speaker 1: to say, but yeah, he doesn't want her help, but
Speaker 1: she helps him anyway and actually ends up saving him
Speaker 1: a couple of times. So we see the reverse of
Speaker 1: a woman. I don't think there's any time, at least
Speaker 1: in that sequence where she is damseled. So it subverts
Speaker 1: the trope of her being you know, damseled and needing
Speaker 1: to be rescued by a man, because instead she saves him.
Speaker 1: But then as the story goes on, more male characters
Speaker 1: show up like all Off who man, Yeah, he's male identifying,
Speaker 1: you know, voiced by a male identifying actor. So um,
Speaker 1: don't bring up Josh Cat again. I will say also
Speaker 1: in the notes for the way this movie was written,
Speaker 1: because I think that there's a very clear parallel for
Speaker 1: this Josh character that drives me crazy. Den't Reely, who
Speaker 1: wrote the movie, tried to write all Off out multiple times.
Speaker 1: I would not let her do it, because you need
Speaker 1: a cute little sidekick, because it makes cute stuffed animals.
Speaker 1: This is the same thing that ruined what would have
Speaker 1: been a great movie Treasure Planet. There's a robot named
Speaker 1: Ben in Treasure Planet that ruins the whole movie. And
Speaker 1: you're like, that's a studio note. Why can't they just
Speaker 1: get the fucking thing out of there? And they're like,
Speaker 1: but bucks, but merchandise is it's treasure Planet. Treasure Planet
Speaker 1: is plant actually very steampunk, which and it's funked up
Speaker 1: that I love it so much. Steampunk what a bird?
Speaker 1: But robot. Yeah, it's like a steampunk reimagining of Treasure Island.
Speaker 1: It's really good, except they ruin it in the second
Speaker 1: half by adding in a really loud, obnoxious sidekick name Ben.
Speaker 1: But anyways, they tried to write out all off. Also,
Speaker 1: they originally rejected the ending of this movie multiple times,
Speaker 1: like yeah, like the sisters realizing that sisterly love could
Speaker 1: be more powerful than a man you had just met
Speaker 1: was rejected over and over and over. Oh, we are
Speaker 1: not surprised. How did they get it through? Weirdly problematic?
Speaker 1: John Lassetter ended up vouching for the ending and said, like,
Speaker 1: I've never seen a movie do this before. I think
Speaker 1: we should give it a try and test screenings, and
Speaker 1: if it doesn't work, we'll go We'll go full head
Speaker 1: or oup um. And then and also, this is the
Speaker 1: first Disney animated movie ever that co directed by a woman. Wow. Wow,
Speaker 1: it took a very long time. It took a hundred years. Well,
Speaker 1: this is an example of a story where the two
Speaker 1: main characters of Anna and Elsa are women, but pretty
Speaker 1: much every other character is a man. Between Christophe and
Speaker 1: Hans Spend, the reindeer who I thought was a moose,
Speaker 1: for a while, the Duke of Westleton his to like bodyguards,
Speaker 1: the troll King. All of those, the only other person
Speaker 1: implied to be a woman is a troll. Yes. Also
Speaker 1: the only this say is maybe a whole another can
Speaker 1: of something. But the only implied like person of color
Speaker 1: in the movie is also just a troll. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: Oh is it the one who at the very beginning
Speaker 1: with young Christophe and Young Spen like hi, and she's like, Oh,
Speaker 1: you're cute, I'm taking you. Yeah, And she also is
Speaker 1: like has a very gospel singery type voice in the
Speaker 1: think it's yeah. And anytime I see that Mickey Mouse
Speaker 1: that's in the beginning of this one, it's like from
Speaker 1: like nineteen twenties. I was like that sneaky Mouse is racist.
Speaker 1: Steamboat Willie, I mean, that's a name that sounds racist
Speaker 1: and it is. Well, I wanted to talk about how Yeah,
Speaker 1: all the characters in this movie are white. And granted
Speaker 1: it takes place in we can assume sometime before like
Speaker 1: nineteen or eighteenth century Scandinavia, which is still an extremely
Speaker 1: but it's also like a magical right, But Anna and
Speaker 1: Elsa are you know, conventionally beautiful by Western standards, they're
Speaker 1: very thin. They have like that body type that we
Speaker 1: see in almost every Disney princess movie where it's like perfectly,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, proportioned in such a way, you know,
Speaker 1: very narrow way, like wide hips, pretty sexualized for you know,
Speaker 1: a movie that's directed towards children, more more covered than
Speaker 1: you would find most princesses. At least at least they
Speaker 1: are dressed weather appropriate, which though most times they aren't
Speaker 1: because like Elsa after she turns everything into winter, is
Speaker 1: still wearing like the top of her dress is still
Speaker 1: mostly like her, isn't it. She does say that I
Speaker 1: still never bothered me anyway, Yeah, welcome for my beautiful
Speaker 1: singing voice. I would have to imagine she But also
Speaker 1: it's like that is a choice. She has more hair
Speaker 1: than a human that she was. She has upon her
Speaker 1: head more hair than a human than I like an
Speaker 1: actual person would have if she if you count the strands,
Speaker 1: which but excuse me, Okay, we see these two characters
Speaker 1: in this very specific body type that we see and
Speaker 1: over again in Disney movies, and there's nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: having a body type like this, but when it's pretty
Speaker 1: much the only representation of a body type that you
Speaker 1: see in these movies that are largely being seen by
Speaker 1: young girls. These characters in these movies are influencing these
Speaker 1: young audiences. And I think that movies have the responsibility
Speaker 1: to show a vast range of body types and skin
Speaker 1: colors and everything else. But when they're almost always like
Speaker 1: this hour glass, very thin waist, very by Western standards conventionally,
Speaker 1: the ideal that is irresponsible and and that goes beyond
Speaker 1: just the movie too, because when we're talking about Disney movies,
Speaker 1: we're also talking about merchandizing and like, what are studio
Speaker 1: executives and people with money comfortable putting out into the
Speaker 1: world because kids are I mean, as someone working out
Speaker 1: of school. When this fucking movie came out, every kid
Speaker 1: had frozen merchandise on the dolls, right, So, and it's
Speaker 1: like if you see that same image over and over
Speaker 1: and over, like this is the body you're going to see.
Speaker 1: Every kid has merchandise with this body type on it,
Speaker 1: this skin color, this like yeah, it's just it's there's
Speaker 1: no argument that it doesn't funk with you to some extent,
Speaker 1: and there's no there's no alternative with this movie with
Speaker 1: the type of body that you see. It's just really
Speaker 1: the only difference you get is the number of braids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you get the one or you get the two, both
Speaker 1: filled with more hair than strands. I'm seeing that's more
Speaker 1: than a human. That's a lot. It's a lot of
Speaker 1: cig hair. Render that head, hackers, render that head. Render
Speaker 1: this head of hair, you dirty little hackers. Oh So,
Speaker 1: speaking of the songs, the Fixer Upper song I find
Speaker 1: the worst, Yes, but you're not framing them that way.
Speaker 1: To second that song again one of the many scenes
Speaker 1: in this movie that is unneeded, but it just drives
Speaker 1: home the point of this movie's agenda of like still
Speaker 1: having on a be in a like romantic relationship or
Speaker 1: a potential one, because like he brings her there to
Speaker 1: his adopted family of troll people and he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: she's dying, and we're like we don't care about that
Speaker 1: right now. Actually we're going to sing a song about
Speaker 1: how you should love our son, And it's just like,
Speaker 1: why is that there? Why is that a focal point.
Speaker 1: There's a part in the song where they say like
Speaker 1: something about how like how he hides it he's the
Speaker 1: honest good, which is a weird line. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: like he's a real nice guy, but you wouldn't know
Speaker 1: it based on the way he treats Yet, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm taking. Fix her Upper is now fourth worst,
Speaker 1: and build a Snowman is fifth fifth worst. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm a ky with that switch. I'm okay, Okay. So
Speaker 1: then the next story beat after that song is when
Speaker 1: the trolls are like, hey, you need an act of
Speaker 1: true love to melt this frozen heart. They interpret that
Speaker 1: to mean, because you know, they've probably read a bunch
Speaker 1: of fairy tales themselves. Everyone involved are like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that must mean a true loves kiss. There's an other
Speaker 1: attempt at them subverting, right. I think this movie sends
Speaker 1: a positive message to its young viewers that rather than
Speaker 1: a hetero kiss between a man and a woman, it
Speaker 1: was like the familial love between two sisters that saves
Speaker 1: the day, because up until that point, most Disney fairy
Speaker 1: tales where if there is a curse to be broken,
Speaker 1: if there is something that needs to be fixed, it
Speaker 1: is often a hetero kiss that saves the day. Right, So,
Speaker 1: at least this movie does not go in that direction.
Speaker 1: There is a kiss though at the end I think
Speaker 1: this is noteworthy because Christoph asks for consent and actually
Speaker 1: that's a great point. Yeah, because she replaced his sled
Speaker 1: that she sucked up like she said she would, Anna
Speaker 1: did fair. She's rich, she's extremely wealthy. That was the
Speaker 1: only thing I thought. When she's like, I'll replace it
Speaker 1: and everything in it, I was like, well, good for you. Right.
Speaker 1: So he's really happy about his new sled and he's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm so happy. I could kiss you,
Speaker 1: but I won't, but could I maybe? And then she's like,
Speaker 1: you may. She gives him a little peck on the
Speaker 1: cheek and then he's like and then they go, Okay,
Speaker 1: this sounds my worst. It sounds like you're taking something.
Speaker 1: I'm sucking the soul out of everyone I kiss, or
Speaker 1: a cartoon character running away really fast, leaving the friend. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I think this movie does send a very positive
Speaker 1: message to its young audiences that asking for consent to
Speaker 1: kiss someone is actually hot. It's hot and it's cute,
Speaker 1: and it should be done more often. Yes. So, uh,
Speaker 1: that I think is worth noting. Um. I wanted to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about Else's powers, her cairo kinetic magic.
Speaker 1: Off the top of my head Ye, cry Magic who
Speaker 1: she only shares this powers with Ice Man from the
Speaker 1: X Men and Sub Zero from Mortal Kombat? What about
Speaker 1: I forget that and some other things too, But those
Speaker 1: are the only ones that Mr Freeze mr himself? Yeah, okay, yes,
Speaker 1: who what's the is it? Free Frozen Frozen from The Incredible?
Speaker 1: I think it's Frozen Frozen. That's that sounds terrible. Wait
Speaker 1: is that really the name of the character. No, I
Speaker 1: have no idea. No, I'm pretty sure it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is Frozen Frozen. That's well, a lot of characters
Speaker 1: that turns out have this power. What is it? It's
Speaker 1: of course cryo kinetic magic. Of course, of course it is.
Speaker 1: Are all the characters that you mentioned all the other ones?
Speaker 1: Are they all? Were they all men? Yes? Sub Zero?
Speaker 1: I think this is the only one I'm on the
Speaker 1: fence about. But a problem is that the Mortal Kombat
Speaker 1: can't find the character's name is Frozen. It's like Zone
Speaker 1: but FROZENO. The only black character in that movie is
Speaker 1: named Frozen. Yeah, it's not good. That's not good. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess we got to do an incredible episode. Well,
Speaker 1: can't be right? Sequels coming out? True, sub zeros thing.
Speaker 1: He says, You're about to get really cool, says get
Speaker 1: over here. One of my favorite bad movies Jack Frost.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I recently just watched that. Very recently. Movies
Speaker 1: Crazy Christmas time, I watched it Wait this Christmas two
Speaker 1: thousand seventeen, The Michael Keaton one, Who Made You? Who
Speaker 1: Made You Want It? I think it might have been
Speaker 1: self inflicted that because doesn't he's like a bad dad
Speaker 1: who died. He's like a rocking blues magician and like
Speaker 1: a cover band. Yeah, well, they seems like they're gonna
Speaker 1: get signed. I don't know if they're cover band, but
Speaker 1: they might as well be. He died. He died and
Speaker 1: then comes back as a terrifying anthropomorphic snowman that has
Speaker 1: to repair his relationship with his children. It's horrible. It's
Speaker 1: really scary, very scary, and it works so well. That's
Speaker 1: the scariest part of all. So in movies, when women
Speaker 1: are given powers, they are usually either an evil witch
Speaker 1: or a supervillain. Examples include The Wicked Witch of the West, Ursula,
Speaker 1: the Evil Queen from Snow White, Melissa Mellifus, Melissa Cassa.
Speaker 1: It sells that you really feel about melissas a witch.
Speaker 1: What I meant to say is I have loved that
Speaker 1: new element of Taxbo cast Laws believes Melissa McCarthy is
Speaker 1: pure evil. Um, but who I actually think is evil
Speaker 1: is Mallificent. There we go from Sleeping Beauty the Ice Queen,
Speaker 1: which from the Len the Witch and the Wardrobe mystique
Speaker 1: from X Men, we've got Poison Ivy, where there's a
Speaker 1: whole laundry list of others. So it's either that or
Speaker 1: if a woman has given powers and movies she's perceived
Speaker 1: as being like too dangerous and that she should not
Speaker 1: harness these powers and that or that she just shouldn't
Speaker 1: like use them in general. Um, we see this from
Speaker 1: like Rogue an x Men. I feel like this is
Speaker 1: a thing in Wanda from The Avengers Princess Leia, we
Speaker 1: don't even know she has force powers pretty much until
Speaker 1: like five movies into the franchise. The Love Fairy and
Speaker 1: Pussy Saga is U doesn't use her powers right away,
Speaker 1: but then once she's liberated. Another great example, she's just
Speaker 1: naming a lot of lores. Sure, did you beat the game?
Speaker 1: It's impossible to beat the game. It actually ends up
Speaker 1: kind of becoming this existential nightmare where you're said that
Speaker 1: is that why it says you won't last five minutes,
Speaker 1: you're giving you can last ten hours and not they
Speaker 1: give you a goal. And then I achieved the goal
Speaker 1: and there was nowhere no one acknowledged that I achieved
Speaker 1: the goal, and they're like, you should give all your
Speaker 1: points and open a movie theater. And it ends up
Speaker 1: being this weird real estate scam. It's one that probably
Speaker 1: plays it for ten hours. They know they don't expect
Speaker 1: you to get that far. I was completely horny neutral
Speaker 1: or played for ten straight hours, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to rescue the Poets Safo, which was the
Speaker 1: goal said at the beginning of the game. And then
Speaker 1: I went to the love Fairy who had given me
Speaker 1: the phone where I get all the anti sex after
Speaker 1: I solve every puzzle. It's my reward, is my anti sex.
Speaker 1: And I returned the phone. I say, here, here's the
Speaker 1: come of five women. As I told you, i'd bring
Speaker 1: back Release the Poets Afo, and she says, do you
Speaker 1: want to open a movie theater and that you can't,
Speaker 1: and then you just they drop it. They don't expect
Speaker 1: you to get that faro rude anyways with women having powers.
Speaker 1: When men have powers in movies, it's like makes them
Speaker 1: strong and powerful. There are some exceptions and sometimes yes,
Speaker 1: like they have to keep them a secret from their
Speaker 1: family or from whatever. But by and large, a man
Speaker 1: having powers in movies means he's a superhero or he's
Speaker 1: going to save the day and he's just strong and powerful,
Speaker 1: or even if he's like a villain, like he's still crafty, cunning,
Speaker 1: like wow, like look, how cool. So this applies to
Speaker 1: this movie Frozen because she has given this like awesome power.
Speaker 1: We don't really understand where it comes from or why
Speaker 1: this happens, but there's you know, it's a magical world
Speaker 1: with stone troll people and snowmen that can come to life.
Speaker 1: So sure those are the rules of the world, and
Speaker 1: we just suspend our disbelief. I guess world Josh Gad
Speaker 1: can exist freely, including ours I have a problem with.
Speaker 1: But so she's given powers, but the whole time she
Speaker 1: is encouraged not to use them or that it's going
Speaker 1: to be too dangerous, and it's just like this, Uh,
Speaker 1: I feel like if a little boy discovered that he
Speaker 1: had these same powers his parents in whatever movie it
Speaker 1: was would be like, Wow, these are cool. You have
Speaker 1: to harness these and learn how to like channel them
Speaker 1: and make yourself awesome. Well, I think that the story
Speaker 1: at least gives you a reason why they try to
Speaker 1: suppress her powers, which is that she hurts her sister.
Speaker 1: I think that the punishment that they come up with,
Speaker 1: given that they seem to have unlimited means, is a
Speaker 1: little harsh and they could have maybe consulted another third part.
Speaker 1: But I guess the trolls were like that stupid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like I thought, was that I don't understand why
Speaker 1: they had to be keep them separated, and that also like, realistically,
Speaker 1: we're supposed to believe they actually remained separate that whole time,
Speaker 1: even when they were dead away, right when their parents
Speaker 1: were right I'm like, why couldn't you just hang out now,
Speaker 1: like their funeral they didn't go to that, or was
Speaker 1: the whole funeral just putting that piece of black cloth
Speaker 1: over there, draped over there, drap drape Malfoy that thing
Speaker 1: up and send it. But they Um, Oh, what I
Speaker 1: was gonna say is I feel like her powers being
Speaker 1: suppressed is obviously. I feel like the movie at least
Speaker 1: makes it clear that they're doing the wrong thing by
Speaker 1: doing that, and that eventually, by the end of the movie,
Speaker 1: it is changed and she is able to recognize that
Speaker 1: her powers do have value and it's just a matter
Speaker 1: of how she uses them. But I had a problem
Speaker 1: with that. I don't think this happens with male characters
Speaker 1: at least as often, and I don't watch movies where
Speaker 1: people have superpowers very much because I'm a fucking adult,
Speaker 1: so I don't really know. But the fact that else's
Speaker 1: powers every time it goes wrong is because it's her
Speaker 1: powers are sort of dictated by her emotions is something
Speaker 1: that I found a little bit annoying of, like, well,
Speaker 1: she just can't get her emotions under control, which is
Speaker 1: a common criticism of women. So that's why her powers
Speaker 1: keep hurting people, because like, her emotions aren't in check.
Speaker 1: That's not that's not something you hear about when a
Speaker 1: guy's like, I mean, there's a million montages of a
Speaker 1: man honing his powers, but it's not quite as put
Speaker 1: upon is like, well, you're you're like emotions are an issue. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's like a fairy tale version of saying,
Speaker 1: like women be crazy, right, A little bit yeah, so
Speaker 1: that was my issh. And yeah, the movie does make
Speaker 1: an attempt to say, like, oh, this was the wrong
Speaker 1: way to go about this because her suppressing those emotions
Speaker 1: that apparently like exacerbate her ice powers. I'm sorry her
Speaker 1: cryoecticut edgy magic. But still it's like by the end,
Speaker 1: she like she hones her powers by keeping her emotions
Speaker 1: more in check, right, Like, I feel like that's not
Speaker 1: fully well, no, you could argue that to me. It's
Speaker 1: she realizes that love and like letting people in is
Speaker 1: the thing that allows her to contros or that at
Speaker 1: least allows her to unfreeze the Eternal Winter and to
Speaker 1: like saw it all out. But that's also it's a
Speaker 1: horrible lesson. If you're vulnerable, you'll just get gaslighted by
Speaker 1: a ute Hubert. That's what happens when you're vulnerable with yourself. Well,
Speaker 1: the problem is, I think, I mean, that's one of
Speaker 1: the reasons I don't think this movie is very good
Speaker 1: or very well written. Is it. The rules of her
Speaker 1: powers and just the world building in general is not
Speaker 1: very good and it leads to some story problems and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But um, yeah, at least the movie,
Speaker 1: as we've discussed before subverts enough of the like Disney
Speaker 1: fairytale tropes that it isn't like another replica of some
Speaker 1: of the more problematic ones that we've talked about, like
Speaker 1: snow White. Um, so, I mean, Present is considerably less
Speaker 1: problematic than most Princess movies, but it's still that does
Speaker 1: not mean it does a good job. That is just
Speaker 1: such a low bar to clear. Perhaps all of these
Speaker 1: problems will be fixed in Frozen two November. Does that
Speaker 1: really happen? Is that your plug? Yeah, that's my plug.
Speaker 1: I'd like to plug Present it really needs some big
Speaker 1: marketing boost. Yeah, I hope so, I mean I would
Speaker 1: be interested in because I mean, you think between late
Speaker 1: and now there has been a pretty significant cultural shift
Speaker 1: that I would hope it'd be reflected in the movie.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. And speaking okay, so I a
Speaker 1: lot of I remember at the time of this coming out,
Speaker 1: a lot of the conversation around this movie was that
Speaker 1: some people felt and it is certainly not explicitly stated
Speaker 1: by the movie in any way and carefully done to
Speaker 1: not state that that Elsa is coded queer. That's something
Speaker 1: I've heard over and over again. It's like, especially like
Speaker 1: even a couple of years ago. Disney would never like
Speaker 1: Disney notoriously codes characters queer but as bad as queer villains,
Speaker 1: like that is their bread and butter, and then this way.
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that many people read Elsa as
Speaker 1: coded queer. I don't disagree with it. I certainly see
Speaker 1: what they're saying, but I feel like part of the
Speaker 1: reason that that is and it is ultimately a net
Speaker 1: positive thing, I think for for kids seeing the movie.
Speaker 1: But I think that the reason that happened is because
Speaker 1: she started as a villain. In the first draft of
Speaker 1: the character, she was a queer villain character. They softened
Speaker 1: her to the point where she was an equally likable
Speaker 1: character to the protagonist. But like that element of the character,
Speaker 1: I think, like to some extent state intact because I
Speaker 1: don't know, I feel like the way that Disney codes
Speaker 1: characters as queer besides evil is alone. Well, that's what
Speaker 1: I was going to ask, is what is the reason
Speaker 1: that people were perceiving her or feeling that she was
Speaker 1: coded as being queer. Is it only because she doesn't
Speaker 1: have a love interest. I think that that's part of
Speaker 1: the reason. I'd have to go I'd have to go
Speaker 1: deep into, Like I think that there's a number of
Speaker 1: ways to come at it. I know that for a
Speaker 1: lot of people, I mean, just based on the research
Speaker 1: he did. When the movie came out, people interpreted her
Speaker 1: being isolated and not pursuing any love interest in the
Speaker 1: movie as a possible way of queer cutting, which is
Speaker 1: kind of like depressing when you think about it. Is like,
Speaker 1: you know, a queer character it has to be alone,
Speaker 1: and uh, straight character has to end up with someone
Speaker 1: like it just the rules of that world become very
Speaker 1: fun very quickly, and strate characters in this movie is
Speaker 1: an example. There's often more than one person pursuing her
Speaker 1: because she's got I mean, Hans ends up being a
Speaker 1: bad guy who's not actually a love interest of hers,
Speaker 1: but she doesn't know that until towards the end. As
Speaker 1: far as she's concerned, he loves her and he's her fiance.
Speaker 1: And then meanwhile, like Christoph is like the scrappy, mean
Speaker 1: person who is also secretly developing a crush on her,
Speaker 1: but you could never tell her that because she's too
Speaker 1: mean or whatever. But yeah, that I'd be interested to
Speaker 1: learn more about that. There was do you remember, though,
Speaker 1: there was like that big movement on Twitter. I remember
Speaker 1: this just from being a frequent tweeter. There was like
Speaker 1: brag sorry, but there was like hashtag give Elsa a girlfriend,
Speaker 1: Like were very deep into viewing Elsa as like a
Speaker 1: positive queer role model, which again I think is like
Speaker 1: a net positive move, but also that you have to
Speaker 1: dig through so many layers of creating meaning where the
Speaker 1: movie isn't necessarily giving you much to go on. To
Speaker 1: find a queer character in a movie for kids is
Speaker 1: like frustrating. Wasn't the most recent Beauty and the Beast
Speaker 1: the first time they had Josh, which is why I
Speaker 1: don't hate him no, because first of all, that like
Speaker 1: a queer moment in Beauty and the Beast is total
Speaker 1: bullshit and Jock Gad is horrible. But getting back to
Speaker 1: queer undertones and Frozen, I'm seeing and and this makes sense.
Speaker 1: I again, it's like open to interpretation and everyone's going
Speaker 1: to view this movie differently. I viewed Else's suppression of
Speaker 1: her powers as more of like a femininity thing of like, here,
Speaker 1: you're awesome, but keep it hidden so that you are
Speaker 1: able to move through the world and you know, like,
Speaker 1: don't become too powerful. I viewed that just seeing it
Speaker 1: today is like a feminine thing, but a lot of
Speaker 1: people view that as the experience of being in the
Speaker 1: closet um, so that creates else's arc as like hiding
Speaker 1: herself away from the world, isolating herself because she's not
Speaker 1: comfortable with herself, she doesn't know how to be around
Speaker 1: other people. And I guess that that is too many
Speaker 1: viewers read as the experience of being in the closet
Speaker 1: and then going back into the world as your authentic
Speaker 1: self looking at it through that lens. Yeah, that's really
Speaker 1: interesting because she does have that let it go very
Speaker 1: empowering song slash moment the seventh seventh, So that's you
Speaker 1: could maybe argue is like a parallel to her coming out.
Speaker 1: Part of me is like, I guess that's kind of
Speaker 1: cool that they if that was like their idea to
Speaker 1: kind of leave it open to interpretations, so many different
Speaker 1: people could insert themselves into the experience and put their
Speaker 1: own experience into it. But I it would be way
Speaker 1: more cool if there was a person that was like
Speaker 1: explicitly right, because I don't think a lot of kids
Speaker 1: are like watching this and writing that you know they're
Speaker 1: not and not to that's again the intended audience of
Speaker 1: this movie. So for children's movies, things like that, I
Speaker 1: feel like do have to be more explicit because they're
Speaker 1: not going to get I agree. I just think it
Speaker 1: was interesting that it had such a profound yeah infect
Speaker 1: and then also the inverse of that being that churches
Speaker 1: got mad that also didn't have a boyfriend. Oh and
Speaker 1: really and also if you that as queer cutting of
Speaker 1: not having a boyfriend equals you are gay, bad news
Speaker 1: for me in high school. So interesting. Yeah, So that
Speaker 1: is I assumed, I've because I was aware of that
Speaker 1: going into this and had a few notes to that.
Speaker 1: For some reason, I didn't remember that happening at all,
Speaker 1: but I am not as frequently tweeter, so maybe that's
Speaker 1: why there's I don't know. Yeah, I thought that was interesting,
Speaker 1: and that's something I'm very interested to see if they
Speaker 1: do anything within Frozen two, because it was such a
Speaker 1: big response and it's like, are they going to do
Speaker 1: something good? Yeah, because I can't imagine that Disney would
Speaker 1: commit to her being alone again for a whole movie, right,
Speaker 1: but if they give her a boyfriend, people will be yeah, exactly, Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: So let's see Jennifer Lee. I mean, I'm pretty down
Speaker 1: for Jennifer Lee the writer. I don't know if she's
Speaker 1: writing Frozen two. I hope she is. She is, because
Speaker 1: I don't know she's at least directing it, directing it again.
Speaker 1: And there was a There's been a few like little
Speaker 1: Frozen things like Olaf's Frozen Adventure. I didn't see that.
Speaker 1: There's something called Frozen Fever that I hated, like a paradox. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when I watched it, it made me realize that Frozen
Speaker 1: has been for kids all along, and I was like
Speaker 1: the second this is a cartoon for children, but it's
Speaker 1: also something that anyone, if any age, can enjoy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I did, if it appeals to them personally, I
Speaker 1: much prefer mo Wanna. Zotopia was great. They sing in Zootopia.
Speaker 1: They don't Well. Something we see in Frozen that we
Speaker 1: don't see in mo Wanna as much is that is
Speaker 1: I dam and sell. I think that's really were is
Speaker 1: one big thing. Mo Wanna, How's going for? It? Is
Speaker 1: a It's a bedroom movie. Be Josh Gad has nothing
Speaker 1: not anywhere near it, which is great Moanna too, though
Speaker 1: I know they recast Josh. It's actually people are freaking out.
Speaker 1: That job cad Isa, which is what the poster says,
Speaker 1: Josh gad is He's wanted. They jumped the shark. Melana
Speaker 1: has an evil twin. It's Josh. It's insane. He appears
Speaker 1: as himself a real man, not even jes Josh cad
Speaker 1: basically wearing Steve Wozniak outfit. It's horrible. But the theme
Speaker 1: of two strongly bonded women in a Disney movie who
Speaker 1: are not constantly being pitted against each other. We see
Speaker 1: mo Wana has a close connection with her family. Um,
Speaker 1: but I did like seeing Elsa and like, I hadn't
Speaker 1: seen a relationship like that in a kid's movie before,
Speaker 1: of like a strong familial bond between two characters that
Speaker 1: are very different that and I mean we already sort
Speaker 1: of unpacked the visual aspect of it. That's a problem.
Speaker 1: But like, I don't know, I thought it was really nice.
Speaker 1: And I even tear it up once or twice because
Speaker 1: I'm very fragile. But yeah, like the theme of like
Speaker 1: sisterly love and two strongly bonded women who have uh
Speaker 1: sordid history and that one almost killed the other twice.
Speaker 1: Uh it happens, But they still are able to resolve
Speaker 1: their differences, and I don't know, just like someone you're
Speaker 1: close with when you're young and then you grow apart
Speaker 1: because whatever your parents are on a bone and saying so,
Speaker 1: then you have to learn to love each other again
Speaker 1: as adults. Like that. It was nice. That is nice.
Speaker 1: I think one of the problems with it, though, is
Speaker 1: that we don't see them on screen together that much,
Speaker 1: because either Elsa is in seclusion or she just runs
Speaker 1: away and builds her ice palace. Like if you counted
Speaker 1: up the total amount of time that they are on
Speaker 1: screen together interacting, I imagine that it's like eight minutes
Speaker 1: or less. Like it's a very small part. What if
Speaker 1: they get to know each other, I don't even really
Speaker 1: like each other, that would be a lot. Frozen two
Speaker 1: barely have hung out with each other. Frozen two they
Speaker 1: like each other's posts on Instagram. But I've given that
Speaker 1: kind of radio I I which is again another thing
Speaker 1: that I don't know. I don't know. I'm standing out
Speaker 1: for Jennifer Lee right now because I'm reading through all
Speaker 1: the stuff she pushed for in the movie that they
Speaker 1: were just like funk Off. Because she was pushing for
Speaker 1: them to be together more in the movie. She was
Speaker 1: also pushing for them to know each other after their
Speaker 1: parents died, and the powers that be were like, no,
Speaker 1: we want them apart for the whole movie, which we
Speaker 1: can interpret as a way to I mean, there's I guess,
Speaker 1: sort of a narrative reason to do that, but by
Speaker 1: the end, I think there's no excuse for them to
Speaker 1: be apart for so long, so you can shoehorn in
Speaker 1: all your bullshit, Josh Gatz like, keeping the two interesting
Speaker 1: female leads apart just gives them the opportunity to sprinkle
Speaker 1: in all these other dudes. Right. Yeah. Should we figure
Speaker 1: out whether or not this movie passes the Buchtel It
Speaker 1: does really early on Elsa and Anna as children. Anna
Speaker 1: runs into the room, She's like, wake up, let's play.
Speaker 1: But then she says, do you want to build a
Speaker 1: snow man? Yeah? That's what I was wondering about. Is
Speaker 1: it passed the test? If they're talking about snowman, how
Speaker 1: come it's never snow woman? How Come no one is
Speaker 1: ever like, let's go outside and build a snow woman
Speaker 1: or snow gender queer person. That's cool. My brother and
Speaker 1: I made a snow Tony Collette one year we were
Speaker 1: a Tony Collette household. Sure, yeah, yeah, she's very talented.
Speaker 1: We all felt that. Um So that scene, I think
Speaker 1: there's at least a two one exchange there. Later on,
Speaker 1: when they're both adults at the coronation ceremony, Elsa and
Speaker 1: Anna are like, oh my god, this is what a
Speaker 1: party looks like. And then we cut to a bunch
Speaker 1: of people standing around and not really enjoying themselves. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then I have had that thought a lot though.
Speaker 1: And then they tell each other they look beautiful, and
Speaker 1: then they smell chocolate together, and then Anna's like, I
Speaker 1: wish it could be like this forever and ELS's like,
Speaker 1: it can't because of my powers that you don't know about.
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty much the end of that conversation.
Speaker 1: But I would say that by and large, like passes
Speaker 1: the whole way through. I don't think there's any mention
Speaker 1: of any men they're at all. They're not in that
Speaker 1: many scenes together. You think it would pass more frequently,
Speaker 1: but it really doesn't. I think like the next time
Speaker 1: is when Anna is like, hey, will you give your
Speaker 1: blessing for me to marry Hans and rightfully so Else's like, no,
Speaker 1: but that does not pass the buck to test because
Speaker 1: they're talking about Hans. Later though, when Anna goes to
Speaker 1: Elsa's ice palace, that passes because they're just like, hey,
Speaker 1: come back to Arandelle and almost yeah. After that, it's
Speaker 1: probably not till the very end when they like reunite.
Speaker 1: There's opportunities that were missed right and left. If we
Speaker 1: had given perhaps I will see a scene that I
Speaker 1: think would have made a lot of sense and would
Speaker 1: have worked. Would have been a scene between either the
Speaker 1: mother and Anna or the mother and Elsa. It would
Speaker 1: have helped the story and that would have been away
Speaker 1: to shoehorn it and if we have to have a
Speaker 1: fucking snowman, make it not be Josh Gad, I was
Speaker 1: just gonna say evil, which Caitlin's mortal enemy, Melissa McCarthy.
Speaker 1: Like Melissa McCarthy, I just want everyone to know, it's crazy,
Speaker 1: how evil you think Melissa McCarthys And we all disagree.
Speaker 1: A dark board in the studio with Melissa McCarthy face
Speaker 1: on it. It's so weird because it's like she's so
Speaker 1: talented and she really like knew when to steal a
Speaker 1: scene in Gilmore Girls and when to hang back. She's
Speaker 1: a giving performer. I think we should give her more credit.
Speaker 1: Kalen also like the main stone troll person could have
Speaker 1: in a woman and she could have talked to the moose,
Speaker 1: the rein dare content, whatever it was. Um, yeah, there
Speaker 1: were plenty of opportunities for this movie the pass it
Speaker 1: for but it does definitely Yeah. Shall we rate on
Speaker 1: our nipple scale zero to five nipples based on its
Speaker 1: portrayal of women? This is another tough one where like
Speaker 1: I said, I think it's net positive in terms of
Speaker 1: the message that it sends, particularly to its young audience,
Speaker 1: and that it shows women being active in the story.
Speaker 1: It shows them having agency and making choices that have
Speaker 1: bearing on the story. They are for the most part,
Speaker 1: not damseled in any way the way that a lot
Speaker 1: of Disney princesses are for most of the stories that
Speaker 1: they're in. I think that having it not be a
Speaker 1: hetero love kiss that saves the day, but instead being
Speaker 1: a active between sisters right the it solves the conflict
Speaker 1: that asking for consent to kiss her at the end
Speaker 1: I really really enjoyed. So I think there is a
Speaker 1: lot of good things to be taken away, but the
Speaker 1: fact that there's still several love stories that are feel
Speaker 1: kind of shoehorned in there that don't really need to
Speaker 1: be there. The fact that we don't see Anna and
Speaker 1: Elsa interacting more, the fact that they're you know, body
Speaker 1: types are the same body type we see over and
Speaker 1: over again in Disney Princess movies and in almost every
Speaker 1: movie in general. I think that there's still work to
Speaker 1: be done, So hopefully in Frozen two this year, next
Speaker 1: number this year, which is next year. Yeah, so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give it a three and a half nipples, maybe four,
Speaker 1: I don't know, let's say three point seven five. Okay, wow? First,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, three point seven five. I'll give to to Anna,
Speaker 1: one to Elsa, the three fourth nipple to the mom
Speaker 1: who didn't say a damn word in the entire movie
Speaker 1: and then died tragically in a boat accident, not unlike
Speaker 1: most of the people on Titanic. True, yeah, very true.
Speaker 1: What if, oh my god, what if Elsa created the
Speaker 1: icebergs in tit She was so emotional. Women are two emotional,
Speaker 1: and it sinks the Titanic eventually? Oh my god. Bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she probably made a glacier in her like you know,
Speaker 1: Fury her flurry fury. Yea it is, and then it
Speaker 1: breaks off centuries later floats into the Atlantic Ocean. The
Speaker 1: Titanic hits it. That's what happened. That's canon. Okay, Anyway,
Speaker 1: who's next, I'm going to give it. I was going
Speaker 1: to go two and a half. I think I'll go three.
Speaker 1: It frustrates me when movies like this because I liked
Speaker 1: this movie. There's so much not positive that you just
Speaker 1: just described. I also think it's very significant that this
Speaker 1: is the first Disney animated movie that is at least
Speaker 1: partially directed by a woman, written entirely by a woman.
Speaker 1: But now I'm going back to two and a half
Speaker 1: because because there are so many missed opportunities, and it
Speaker 1: really frustrates me when a movie tries to capitalize on
Speaker 1: how forward thinking it is when it still features so
Speaker 1: many themes and through lines that are regressive or at
Speaker 1: least maintaining a status quo that has existed in this
Speaker 1: these franchises for years and years. So mostly I mean
Speaker 1: two and a half based on cheer missed potential of
Speaker 1: what this movie could have been. I totally agree with
Speaker 1: what you're saying with reinforcing the like conventional Western beauty
Speaker 1: standard body image on such a high level, shoehorning in
Speaker 1: the love story was obnoxious and not totally necessary and
Speaker 1: just the missed opportunity for women to be present in
Speaker 1: this story that was actively thwarted by the movie itself
Speaker 1: by keeping women away from each other. Because their scenes
Speaker 1: together I really love and I think that they're like
Speaker 1: so nice and special and yeah, taking the voice from
Speaker 1: the mom, why do that? Like, why is that necessary?
Speaker 1: I don't know. It sucks because it's a good movie.
Speaker 1: I think net positive. And you know, girls who are
Speaker 1: in school now and this is their movie are way
Speaker 1: better off than we were where we're like, oh, the
Speaker 1: girl who funck a dog is my hero. Uh, that's
Speaker 1: a belle from beauty. And the girl who french the
Speaker 1: dog is my is my favorite girl. Um, and you're
Speaker 1: always French with coyotes. Yeah, I'm from approaching coyotes on
Speaker 1: the street thinking conflating it with true love. And and
Speaker 1: we're even better off than our generation work if it
Speaker 1: was like growing up, Yeah, they're like fall asleep. Maybe
Speaker 1: someone will show up without checking. It does demonstrate progress.
Speaker 1: Progress is very slow though that's not an excuse, but
Speaker 1: it tends to be extremely slow, but there are so
Speaker 1: many and and just like reading about how the writer
Speaker 1: director of this movie was trying to push it forward
Speaker 1: and was actively thwarted by the system she was working
Speaker 1: within sucks to I mean, I'm glad she was pushing,
Speaker 1: and I think that this movie would have sucked if
Speaker 1: she wasn't pushing, really pushing. So it's like progress but
Speaker 1: not enough progress. I hate that it's still like princesses
Speaker 1: will sooner French a dog than be queer. That's like crazy.
Speaker 1: Um so two and a half from me one on
Speaker 1: a one to Elsa and I'm given one to Gadable,
Speaker 1: given one to gad Listen, he needs a win from
Speaker 1: me personally that he's very wealthy and doing games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he spent more time talking about how much
Speaker 1: you hate them than Anna and Elsa appear on screen
Speaker 1: together in the movie Frienz Problem. The only thing that
Speaker 1: I feel more strongly than loving women is hating what if? Okay,
Speaker 1: and also Alfred Molina as one of any female identifying
Speaker 1: person or also this movie I Have to Go Back
Speaker 1: does not pass it back to al test because Josh appears. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's your opinion. I do not stand new hard rule.
Speaker 1: Does Josh God appear in the movie, Chris, Okay, I
Speaker 1: wrote down three three nipples, three les, a lot of
Speaker 1: the stuff about like the mom not speaking. That's pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: How there are literally only two or three potentially women
Speaker 1: in the movie, and one of them dies almost immediately,
Speaker 1: and one of them is a role whose name we
Speaker 1: never know and we don't know anything about her. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think if it was like on a
Speaker 1: scale of like all the Disney movies, then it would
Speaker 1: be like higher than three. Because this is until Mowanna,
Speaker 1: which we gave I think five nipples across the board.
Speaker 1: We were like, coming back. It is a very good movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's great. Yeah, and then uh, of course I have
Speaker 1: my issues with the song in the song. Of course
Speaker 1: you've recopied your list well, just to make it clear
Speaker 1: for myself. So just to clarify, the seventh worst song
Speaker 1: is let It Go, which is You're also the best,
Speaker 1: but seventh worst today it's the best, right. Number six
Speaker 1: worst is Love as an Open Door. It's just a
Speaker 1: nice song. Number five I wish to build a Snowman, right, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wish to number four fix her upper the Trolls
Speaker 1: song I see I like the trolls. I know that
Speaker 1: they're just And are they the trolls? Never got the
Speaker 1: answer no, because they look like the trolls. But those
Speaker 1: trolls aren't made of stone. That's just like a weird
Speaker 1: if you saw a cartman but he was made of stone.
Speaker 1: You say, cart cartman, cartman? And can we help him? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And is that legal? Leave Cartman and stone? But also,
Speaker 1: I can't watch South Park anymore because Matt Stone and
Speaker 1: Trey Parker they gave Josh Cadd his big break, but
Speaker 1: the Mormons they did actually don't funk with Cartman anymore
Speaker 1: because it's got a little bit too close to Josh
Speaker 1: Cad being a relevant person. Yeah, so sorry, he could
Speaker 1: clay him in the live action movie One day. Were
Speaker 1: given the list, anyway, where was I? I'll start from
Speaker 1: the beginning. Number seven again, Let it Go loves Novador,
Speaker 1: Bill the Snowman, fix her up? Okay for third worst,
Speaker 1: I'm a Stoneman, he Won't kill Me. Number two Getting
Speaker 1: Ready for the Party is the second worst. Number one
Speaker 1: Ice Guys Making Nice is the worst song in the movie.
Speaker 1: Guys Making Nice is a terrible song, and no and
Speaker 1: it's the only song no women appear in. Oh sure,
Speaker 1: well we don't know how that's true. Well, alright, so
Speaker 1: three nipples and I give all three to whatever interesting
Speaker 1: character will be revealed in the second Frozen that's coming out.
Speaker 1: The three nipples character we haven't There's gotta be something
Speaker 1: something either creepy, scary, bad, or hot the four tenants
Speaker 1: of a movie. Yeah, that's like the National Honor Society.
Speaker 1: Are you Are you over the creepy, scary, bad, or
Speaker 1: hot you have to be to get in tonight? Well
Speaker 1: I'm back to being mad. Okay, Chris, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for Thank you so much for having me. We
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