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Speaker 1: On the Beck dol Cast. The questions asked if movies

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Speaker 1: have women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the Bectel Cast. My name is

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Durante. My name is Jamie Loft. I'm trying to trying.

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Speaker 1: I'm still Caitlin Darante. We have a podcast called the

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Speaker 1: Becktel Cast in which we discussed the portrayal and representation

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Speaker 1: of women in cinema through a feminist lens, because, wouldn't

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Speaker 1: you know it, Hollywood usually Fox up real bad when

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Speaker 1: it comes to portraying women. Well, I'm struggling taking this

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Speaker 1: baby Bell cheese out of its waxy container. Did you

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Speaker 1: ever know that you can't eat the wax? Yeah, if

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Speaker 1: you think it's food. The first time you have baby

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Speaker 1: Bell cheese, maybe you're I don't know, out on a

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Speaker 1: date with someone and they're like, hey, do you want

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Speaker 1: some baby Bell cheese, and you're like yeah, and then

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Speaker 1: you just bite into it thinking there's no task to

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Speaker 1: perform before you can Anyways, Well, that's a good example

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Speaker 1: of a conversation that I think passed the Bechdel test

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Speaker 1: and special what gender the date was right, and I

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Speaker 1: won't now uh so I'm pretty yeah that passed the

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Speaker 1: Bechdel test. And if you're still curious what that is,

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Speaker 1: I shall elaborate. Is a test that you apply to

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Speaker 1: media like movies for example, that requires that two female

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Speaker 1: characters speak to each other, they have names, and their

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Speaker 1: conversation cannot be about a man. That is the try

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Speaker 1: to bring a pussy saga again or pussy saga out

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Speaker 1: from last week. I think we're extremely pussy staged out.

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Speaker 1: Just talk to all our listeners out there who are

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Speaker 1: on the pussy saga that is their life. We wish

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Speaker 1: you the best in your pussy saga. Yes, I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to say it. Okay, anyway, it is mad at me.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand why you're mad so soon. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: usually takes me like twenty minutes or so. I know,

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Speaker 1: I'm getting things stressed and put tearing up my cheese

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Speaker 1: into small pieces. No, I'm not mad. I'm happy that

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Speaker 1: you brought up pussy saga, but I did want to

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Speaker 1: priest is what we use as a just a basis

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Speaker 1: for a larger conversation. So I say, without much further ado,

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Speaker 1: we should introduce our guest, who is a wonderful person.

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Speaker 1: He is a musician. He's a very funny person. Chris Farren. Hi,

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Speaker 1: Hi guys, thanks for having me, Thanks for coming on

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Speaker 1: the podcast. Chris, of course has been fully restrained with

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Speaker 1: but because he is a trusted friend Bungee Cords. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you. A comfortable restraint. Yeah, I can move a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Do we have the scary stuff? We have

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Speaker 1: sharper stuff, but that's for interrupters. A friend of mine, sorry,

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Speaker 1: just interrupted me, Chris, and you have to go. I

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Speaker 1: can leave al right. So, Chris, you have brought us

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Speaker 1: the movie Frozen. Why did you pick this? Tell us

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Speaker 1: about your history with this movie. Okay, so three years

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Speaker 1: ago I saw this movie for the first time, and

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Speaker 1: I just I really something about it really activated my mind,

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Speaker 1: probably illegal or definitely illegal. Well, when we were emailing

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Speaker 1: us like with your few different movie picks, uh, and

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Speaker 1: and we're like, what if, what if we just do Frozen?

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Speaker 1: And then we like combined your name with it, so

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Speaker 1: Frozen and you brought it to us, like this movie

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Speaker 1: did like how you slowed your spears, slowed the sound

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Speaker 1: when you're like a full grown who likes Frozen, and

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Speaker 1: that's good that that exists too. That's how my mom

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Speaker 1: you know. She's like, well, I think it's interesting that

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Speaker 1: and we like you so much and we're so glad

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Speaker 1: you brought us the movie Frozen. This is my first

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Speaker 1: the end, because then you're not really doing what you

425
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: said you're doing. I mean, I can see it where

426
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: like their relationship isn't the focus of the story. But

427
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 1: it is enough of a part of it that you

428
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: can't ignore it. So yeah, I have kind of mixed

429
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: feelings about it. And then the switch that they go

430
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: back because they're like, oh, we have to go find

431
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: Hans because love like that pushes such a large part

432
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: of the story. But then it's like, oh, well, she

433
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 1: realizes that's not what it is. But then it's like, oh,

434
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 1: this is. But then now she's just gonna marry this

435
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: reindeer guy who's to her, who negs her constantly, always

436
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: telling her to calm down because women be so emotional.

437
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: And it's like, dude, you hang out with a reindeer

438
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: all your life, your whole life, yeah, your only friend

439
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: and trolls. Let's apply let's apply the test there, Steve

440
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: Bushey hanging out with a reindeer his whole life, meets

441
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: a lady. He's a killer. He's not a love interest,

442
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: all right, because the movie opens with like young Christoph

443
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: and he's like harvesting ice because he's in the ice business.

444
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: That's the worst song, by the way, it's a really

445
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: bad song. That's the worst song. That's the worst type

446
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,479
Speaker 1: of song in any Why is it in the movie, Like,

447
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: why do why do we open off that? That's insane.

448
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: I don't understand what they're really doing either. They're just

449
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 1: like mining ice, their ice prospectors. Yeah yeah, where do

450
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: they bring it? And they better get it there fast?

451
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: Hold right, it'll melt. That's the worst song. Second worst

452
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,719
Speaker 1: song is the one where she's getting ready for the party.

453
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: I have a mental ranking. Oh yeah, wait, what are

454
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: your hot rankings of the song? Okay, I gotta write

455
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: this down. Yeah, pull up, pull up the soundtrack, figure

456
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: this out, all right. I am genuinely so from memory

457
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: that we've got and I don't know the names of him. Okay,

458
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: so we got ice, guys. Making ice is the worst song.

459
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: Worst and the next worst is getting ready for the

460
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: party first time and forever is what it's called. Love

461
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: is an open door. Uh snow man, I would not

462
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: die in the heat. Third worst, And then we have

463
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: the troll song. Oh right, the fixer upper, fixer Upper.

464
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: It's actually a pretty good song. Uh so I'm gonna say,

465
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: build a snowman. Chris is a professional music right, so

466
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: what he says what I say goes, Yes, this is hey,

467
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: this is your wheelhouse. Yes, we're letting you fly. Okay,

468
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: so worst, second worst worst, and then Bill the Snowman

469
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: is fourth but not worst. It's getting good. Now, I

470
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: did my ranking really weird, and then I would say

471
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: fix her upper fifth worst it was actually pretty good.

472
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: And then sixth worst is love his Open Door, which

473
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,479
Speaker 1: is actually a very good song, and then seventh worst

474
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: just let it go and seven words equals the best

475
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: seventh worst. Yeah, there are only seven songs. That's I

476
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: have another big issue. Maybe you're forgetting one or two,

477
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: but I feel like there's a lot of mini songs

478
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: where you're starts his Little Reindeer song in the in

479
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: the Shed that's not kindudn't even count. But the ice song,

480
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: the ice grunt song, is still worse than that song. Right,

481
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: But like the last half hour of the movie, no songs,

482
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 1: which bothers me the trouble. They're too busy, they're too

483
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: busy doing stuff, but they should have a song if

484
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: that's all. It totally weird. Like, Yeah, I was reading

485
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: through and I think that this is kind of like

486
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: emblematic of how hard it is to get a cohesive,

487
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: cogent story about women told at all, especially on this

488
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: high level where it's all I mean, it's like John Lassetter,

489
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: which is a whole other thing to unpack because he

490
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: was very involved in this. But like, if you read

491
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: through the writing process of this movie, it's crazy how

492
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: much changes over the course of time. Where it starts

493
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: out good sister, evil sister, where Else's pure evil and

494
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: she frees it on his heart on purpose. Yeah, like

495
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: women on women straight up, like sisters hating each other

496
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: for basically no reason. And they brought in a female screenwriter,

497
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lee, who also co directs the movie also wrote

498
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: the screenplay for Wreck It ralph Um. But they do

499
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: another draft of it, and this time it's like Else'

500
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: is less mean, but she still is hurting Anna on

501
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: purpose because she's jealous of her, and like, but that's

502
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: like how these movies have always been written of, Like

503
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: if we're putting in on like you know, a princess

504
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: in any stepmother, any second wife, that's like the dynamic.

505
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: And when you go through the history of it took

506
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: a couple of years for this movie to get written

507
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: in its current way, which is still not perfect, but

508
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: it's at least you're viewing the sisters as like equals,

509
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: you know, instead of like good and bad It's just

510
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: crazy how how hard it is to get a story

511
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: about two women told that isn't like based around jealousy

512
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: or like one hating the other or whatever. So right,

513
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, this movie subverts at least some of

514
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: the tropes of a Disney fairy tale princess story, but

515
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: it's still adheres to a lot of them in the

516
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: sense that. So, I mean, Anna is the main character,

517
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: She's the protector. We see the story from her point

518
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: of view. She's the one with the most agency and

519
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: bearing on this story. She decides on her own that

520
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: she's gonna set off sort of on her own adventure

521
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: to go and bring Elsa back so that they can

522
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: figure out how to melt this eternal winter. But um

523
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: has three male cohorts by the time she gets there,

524
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: and like she basically she sets off on her own,

525
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: but then almost immediately needs the help of a man,

526
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: and that's when we meet Christoph. And then there's that

527
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: scene where they're being attacked by wolves, which what is

528
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: it with the evil representation of wolves in Disney movies.

529
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: I mean, gosh, this wolve there pro wolf agenda, you

530
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: know what for our wolf listeners out there, like they

531
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: would be upset big wolf community. I didn't know that

532
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: they have a lot of wolf fans. I get all

533
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: really well with coyotes. Coyote yesterday driving I wait, the

534
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: coyote was not driving, was just looking at another dog. See,

535
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 1: they do kind of just look like sick dogs, So

536
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: it gets confusing. Yeah, and I think that would offend

537
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: our coyote listeners. I've almost I've almost touched a coyote

538
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: multiple times and then been like that dog is so sick. Well, anyway,

539
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: moving on from wolf like creatures, so the wolves are

540
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: attacking them. She's like, I want to help, and Christos like, no,

541
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: I don't trust your judgment because you just got engaged

542
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: yesterday to a man that you've hardly Yeah. He's so

543
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: mean to her, acts so indifferent to her, and then

544
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: when that comes up, he's like what that's crazy, and

545
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: she's just like what do you care? Right? Yeah, hard

546
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: to say, but yeah, he doesn't want her help, but

547
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,719
Speaker 1: she helps him anyway and actually ends up saving him

548
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: a couple of times. So we see the reverse of

549
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: a woman. I don't think there's any time, at least

550
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: in that sequence where she is damseled. So it subverts

551
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: the trope of her being you know, damseled and needing

552
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: to be rescued by a man, because instead she saves him.

553
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: But then as the story goes on, more male characters

554
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: show up like all Off who man, Yeah, he's male identifying,

555
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: you know, voiced by a male identifying actor. So um,

556
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: don't bring up Josh Cat again. I will say also

557
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: in the notes for the way this movie was written,

558
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: because I think that there's a very clear parallel for

559
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,239
Speaker 1: this Josh character that drives me crazy. Den't Reely, who

560
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: wrote the movie, tried to write all Off out multiple times.

561
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: I would not let her do it, because you need

562
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: a cute little sidekick, because it makes cute stuffed animals.

563
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: This is the same thing that ruined what would have

564
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: been a great movie Treasure Planet. There's a robot named

565
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: Ben in Treasure Planet that ruins the whole movie. And

566
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: you're like, that's a studio note. Why can't they just

567
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: get the fucking thing out of there? And they're like,

568
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: but bucks, but merchandise is it's treasure Planet. Treasure Planet

569
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: is plant actually very steampunk, which and it's funked up

570
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: that I love it so much. Steampunk what a bird?

571
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: But robot. Yeah, it's like a steampunk reimagining of Treasure Island.

572
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: It's really good, except they ruin it in the second

573
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: half by adding in a really loud, obnoxious sidekick name Ben.

574
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: But anyways, they tried to write out all off. Also,

575
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: they originally rejected the ending of this movie multiple times,

576
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: like yeah, like the sisters realizing that sisterly love could

577
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: be more powerful than a man you had just met

578
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: was rejected over and over and over. Oh, we are

579
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: not surprised. How did they get it through? Weirdly problematic?

580
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: John Lassetter ended up vouching for the ending and said, like,

581
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 1: I've never seen a movie do this before. I think

582
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: we should give it a try and test screenings, and

583
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: if it doesn't work, we'll go We'll go full head

584
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: or oup um. And then and also, this is the

585
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: first Disney animated movie ever that co directed by a woman. Wow. Wow,

586
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: it took a very long time. It took a hundred years. Well,

587
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: this is an example of a story where the two

588
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: main characters of Anna and Elsa are women, but pretty

589
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: much every other character is a man. Between Christophe and

590
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: Hans Spend, the reindeer who I thought was a moose,

591
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: for a while, the Duke of Westleton his to like bodyguards,

592
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: the troll King. All of those, the only other person

593
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: implied to be a woman is a troll. Yes. Also

594
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: the only this say is maybe a whole another can

595
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: of something. But the only implied like person of color

596
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: in the movie is also just a troll. Yeah, that's true.

597
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: Oh is it the one who at the very beginning

598
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: with young Christophe and Young Spen like hi, and she's like, Oh,

599
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: you're cute, I'm taking you. Yeah, And she also is

600
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: like has a very gospel singery type voice in the

601
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: think it's yeah. And anytime I see that Mickey Mouse

602
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 1: that's in the beginning of this one, it's like from

603
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: like nineteen twenties. I was like that sneaky Mouse is racist.

604
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: Steamboat Willie, I mean, that's a name that sounds racist

605
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 1: and it is. Well, I wanted to talk about how Yeah,

606
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: all the characters in this movie are white. And granted

607
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: it takes place in we can assume sometime before like

608
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: nineteen or eighteenth century Scandinavia, which is still an extremely

609
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: but it's also like a magical right, But Anna and

610
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: Elsa are you know, conventionally beautiful by Western standards, they're

611
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: very thin. They have like that body type that we

612
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: see in almost every Disney princess movie where it's like perfectly,

613
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, proportioned in such a way, you know,

614
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: very narrow way, like wide hips, pretty sexualized for you know,

615
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: a movie that's directed towards children, more more covered than

616
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: you would find most princesses. At least at least they

617
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: are dressed weather appropriate, which though most times they aren't

618
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: because like Elsa after she turns everything into winter, is

619
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: still wearing like the top of her dress is still

620
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: mostly like her, isn't it. She does say that I

621
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 1: still never bothered me anyway, Yeah, welcome for my beautiful

622
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: singing voice. I would have to imagine she But also

623
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: it's like that is a choice. She has more hair

624
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: than a human that she was. She has upon her

625
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: head more hair than a human than I like an

626
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: actual person would have if she if you count the strands,

627
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: which but excuse me, Okay, we see these two characters

628
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: in this very specific body type that we see and

629
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: over again in Disney movies, and there's nothing wrong with

630
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: having a body type like this, but when it's pretty

631
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: much the only representation of a body type that you

632
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: see in these movies that are largely being seen by

633
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: young girls. These characters in these movies are influencing these

634
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: young audiences. And I think that movies have the responsibility

635
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: to show a vast range of body types and skin

636
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: colors and everything else. But when they're almost always like

637
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: this hour glass, very thin waist, very by Western standards conventionally,

638
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: the ideal that is irresponsible and and that goes beyond

639
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: just the movie too, because when we're talking about Disney movies,

640
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 1: we're also talking about merchandizing and like, what are studio

641
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: executives and people with money comfortable putting out into the

642
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: world because kids are I mean, as someone working out

643
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 1: of school. When this fucking movie came out, every kid

644
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: had frozen merchandise on the dolls, right, So, and it's

645
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: like if you see that same image over and over

646
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: and over, like this is the body you're going to see.

647
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: Every kid has merchandise with this body type on it,

648
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: this skin color, this like yeah, it's just it's there's

649
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: no argument that it doesn't funk with you to some extent,

650
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: and there's no there's no alternative with this movie with

651
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 1: the type of body that you see. It's just really

652
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: the only difference you get is the number of braids. Yeah,

653
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 1: you get the one or you get the two, both

654
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: filled with more hair than strands. I'm seeing that's more

655
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: than a human. That's a lot. It's a lot of

656
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: cig hair. Render that head, hackers, render that head. Render

657
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: this head of hair, you dirty little hackers. Oh So,

658
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: speaking of the songs, the Fixer Upper song I find

659
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: the worst, Yes, but you're not framing them that way.

660
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: To second that song again one of the many scenes

661
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: in this movie that is unneeded, but it just drives

662
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: home the point of this movie's agenda of like still

663
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: having on a be in a like romantic relationship or

664
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: a potential one, because like he brings her there to

665
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: his adopted family of troll people and he's like, hey,

666
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: she's dying, and we're like we don't care about that

667
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: right now. Actually we're going to sing a song about

668
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: how you should love our son, And it's just like,

669
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: why is that there? Why is that a focal point.

670
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: There's a part in the song where they say like

671
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: something about how like how he hides it he's the

672
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: honest good, which is a weird line. Yeah, it's just

673
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: like he's a real nice guy, but you wouldn't know

674
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: it based on the way he treats Yet, you know what,

675
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: I'm I'm taking. Fix her Upper is now fourth worst,

676
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: and build a Snowman is fifth fifth worst. Okay, I'm

677
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: I'm a ky with that switch. I'm okay, Okay. So

678
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: then the next story beat after that song is when

679
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: the trolls are like, hey, you need an act of

680
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: true love to melt this frozen heart. They interpret that

681
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: to mean, because you know, they've probably read a bunch

682
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 1: of fairy tales themselves. Everyone involved are like, oh, yeah,

683
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: that must mean a true loves kiss. There's an other

684
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: attempt at them subverting, right. I think this movie sends

685
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 1: a positive message to its young viewers that rather than

686
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: a hetero kiss between a man and a woman, it

687
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 1: was like the familial love between two sisters that saves

688
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: the day, because up until that point, most Disney fairy

689
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: tales where if there is a curse to be broken,

690
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: if there is something that needs to be fixed, it

691
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: is often a hetero kiss that saves the day. Right, So,

692
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: at least this movie does not go in that direction.

693
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: There is a kiss though at the end I think

694
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: this is noteworthy because Christoph asks for consent and actually

695
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: that's a great point. Yeah, because she replaced his sled

696
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: that she sucked up like she said she would, Anna

697
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: did fair. She's rich, she's extremely wealthy. That was the

698
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: only thing I thought. When she's like, I'll replace it

699
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: and everything in it, I was like, well, good for you. Right.

700
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: So he's really happy about his new sled and he's like,

701
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm so happy. I could kiss you,

702
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: but I won't, but could I maybe? And then she's like,

703
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: you may. She gives him a little peck on the

704
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: cheek and then he's like and then they go, Okay,

705
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: this sounds my worst. It sounds like you're taking something.

706
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: I'm sucking the soul out of everyone I kiss, or

707
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: a cartoon character running away really fast, leaving the friend. Yeah.

708
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: So I think this movie does send a very positive

709
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: message to its young audiences that asking for consent to

710
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: kiss someone is actually hot. It's hot and it's cute,

711
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: and it should be done more often. Yes. So, uh,

712
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: that I think is worth noting. Um. I wanted to

713
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about Else's powers, her cairo kinetic magic.

714
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: Off the top of my head Ye, cry Magic who

715
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: she only shares this powers with Ice Man from the

716
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: X Men and Sub Zero from Mortal Kombat? What about

717
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: I forget that and some other things too, But those

718
00:43:52,840 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: are the only ones that Mr Freeze mr himself? Yeah, okay, yes,

719
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: who what's the is it? Free Frozen Frozen from The Incredible?

720
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: I think it's Frozen Frozen. That's that sounds terrible. Wait

721
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: is that really the name of the character. No, I

722
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 1: have no idea. No, I'm pretty sure it is. Yeah,

723
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: it is Frozen Frozen. That's well, a lot of characters

724
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 1: that turns out have this power. What is it? It's

725
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: of course cryo kinetic magic. Of course, of course it is.

726
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 1: Are all the characters that you mentioned all the other ones?

727
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: Are they all? Were they all men? Yes? Sub Zero?

728
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: I think this is the only one I'm on the

729
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: fence about. But a problem is that the Mortal Kombat

730
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: can't find the character's name is Frozen. It's like Zone

731
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: but FROZENO. The only black character in that movie is

732
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 1: named Frozen. Yeah, it's not good. That's not good. Well,

733
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: I guess we got to do an incredible episode. Well,

734
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: can't be right? Sequels coming out? True, sub zeros thing.

735
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,439
Speaker 1: He says, You're about to get really cool, says get

736
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: over here. One of my favorite bad movies Jack Frost.

737
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I recently just watched that. Very recently. Movies

738
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: Crazy Christmas time, I watched it Wait this Christmas two

739
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: thousand seventeen, The Michael Keaton one, Who Made You? Who

740
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: Made You Want It? I think it might have been

741
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: self inflicted that because doesn't he's like a bad dad

742
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: who died. He's like a rocking blues magician and like

743
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: a cover band. Yeah, well, they seems like they're gonna

744
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: get signed. I don't know if they're cover band, but

745
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: they might as well be. He died. He died and

746
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: then comes back as a terrifying anthropomorphic snowman that has

747
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: to repair his relationship with his children. It's horrible. It's

748
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: really scary, very scary, and it works so well. That's

749
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: the scariest part of all. So in movies, when women

750
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: are given powers, they are usually either an evil witch

751
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: or a supervillain. Examples include The Wicked Witch of the West, Ursula,

752
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: the Evil Queen from Snow White, Melissa Mellifus, Melissa Cassa.

753
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: It sells that you really feel about melissas a witch.

754
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: What I meant to say is I have loved that

755
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: new element of Taxbo cast Laws believes Melissa McCarthy is

756
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 1: pure evil. Um, but who I actually think is evil

757
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: is Mallificent. There we go from Sleeping Beauty the Ice Queen,

758
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: which from the Len the Witch and the Wardrobe mystique

759
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: from X Men, we've got Poison Ivy, where there's a

760
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: whole laundry list of others. So it's either that or

761
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: if a woman has given powers and movies she's perceived

762
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: as being like too dangerous and that she should not

763
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: harness these powers and that or that she just shouldn't

764
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: like use them in general. Um, we see this from

765
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: like Rogue an x Men. I feel like this is

766
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: a thing in Wanda from The Avengers Princess Leia, we

767
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: don't even know she has force powers pretty much until

768
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: like five movies into the franchise. The Love Fairy and

769
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: Pussy Saga is U doesn't use her powers right away,

770
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: but then once she's liberated. Another great example, she's just

771
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: naming a lot of lores. Sure, did you beat the game?

772
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: It's impossible to beat the game. It actually ends up

773
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: kind of becoming this existential nightmare where you're said that

774
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: is that why it says you won't last five minutes,

775
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: you're giving you can last ten hours and not they

776
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: give you a goal. And then I achieved the goal

777
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: and there was nowhere no one acknowledged that I achieved

778
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: the goal, and they're like, you should give all your

779
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: points and open a movie theater. And it ends up

780
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: being this weird real estate scam. It's one that probably

781
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: plays it for ten hours. They know they don't expect

782
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: you to get that far. I was completely horny neutral

783
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: or played for ten straight hours, and I was like,

784
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: I'm ready to rescue the Poets Safo, which was the

785
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: goal said at the beginning of the game. And then

786
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: I went to the love Fairy who had given me

787
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: the phone where I get all the anti sex after

788
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: I solve every puzzle. It's my reward, is my anti sex.

789
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: And I returned the phone. I say, here, here's the

790
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 1: come of five women. As I told you, i'd bring

791
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: back Release the Poets Afo, and she says, do you

792
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: want to open a movie theater and that you can't,

793
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: and then you just they drop it. They don't expect

794
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 1: you to get that faro rude anyways with women having powers.

795
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: When men have powers in movies, it's like makes them

796
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: strong and powerful. There are some exceptions and sometimes yes,

797
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: like they have to keep them a secret from their

798
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 1: family or from whatever. But by and large, a man

799
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: having powers in movies means he's a superhero or he's

800
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: going to save the day and he's just strong and powerful,

801
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: or even if he's like a villain, like he's still crafty, cunning,

802
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: like wow, like look, how cool. So this applies to

803
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: this movie Frozen because she has given this like awesome power.

804
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: We don't really understand where it comes from or why

805
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: this happens, but there's you know, it's a magical world

806
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: with stone troll people and snowmen that can come to life.

807
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: So sure those are the rules of the world, and

808
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: we just suspend our disbelief. I guess world Josh Gad

809
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: can exist freely, including ours I have a problem with.

810
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: But so she's given powers, but the whole time she

811
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: is encouraged not to use them or that it's going

812
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: to be too dangerous, and it's just like this, Uh,

813
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: I feel like if a little boy discovered that he

814
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: had these same powers his parents in whatever movie it

815
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: was would be like, Wow, these are cool. You have

816
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: to harness these and learn how to like channel them

817
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: and make yourself awesome. Well, I think that the story

818
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: at least gives you a reason why they try to

819
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: suppress her powers, which is that she hurts her sister.

820
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: I think that the punishment that they come up with,

821
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: given that they seem to have unlimited means, is a

822
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 1: little harsh and they could have maybe consulted another third part.

823
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: But I guess the trolls were like that stupid. Yeah,

824
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: that's like I thought, was that I don't understand why

825
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: they had to be keep them separated, and that also like, realistically,

826
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: we're supposed to believe they actually remained separate that whole time,

827
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: even when they were dead away, right when their parents

828
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: were right I'm like, why couldn't you just hang out now,

829
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: like their funeral they didn't go to that, or was

830
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: the whole funeral just putting that piece of black cloth

831
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: over there, draped over there, drap drape Malfoy that thing

832
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: up and send it. But they Um, Oh, what I

833
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: was gonna say is I feel like her powers being

834
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: suppressed is obviously. I feel like the movie at least

835
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: makes it clear that they're doing the wrong thing by

836
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 1: doing that, and that eventually, by the end of the movie,

837
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: it is changed and she is able to recognize that

838
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: her powers do have value and it's just a matter

839
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 1: of how she uses them. But I had a problem

840
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: with that. I don't think this happens with male characters

841
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: at least as often, and I don't watch movies where

842
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: people have superpowers very much because I'm a fucking adult,

843
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: so I don't really know. But the fact that else's

844
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: powers every time it goes wrong is because it's her

845
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,760
Speaker 1: powers are sort of dictated by her emotions is something

846
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: that I found a little bit annoying of, like, well,

847
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: she just can't get her emotions under control, which is

848
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: a common criticism of women. So that's why her powers

849
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: keep hurting people, because like, her emotions aren't in check.

850
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: That's not that's not something you hear about when a

851
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: guy's like, I mean, there's a million montages of a

852
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: man honing his powers, but it's not quite as put

853
00:51:55,840 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: upon is like, well, you're you're like emotions are an issue. Yeah.

854
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: I feel like that's like a fairy tale version of saying,

855
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: like women be crazy, right, A little bit yeah, so

856
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: that was my issh. And yeah, the movie does make

857
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: an attempt to say, like, oh, this was the wrong

858
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: way to go about this because her suppressing those emotions

859
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: that apparently like exacerbate her ice powers. I'm sorry her

860
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: cryoecticut edgy magic. But still it's like by the end,

861
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: she like she hones her powers by keeping her emotions

862
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: more in check, right, Like, I feel like that's not

863
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: fully well, no, you could argue that to me. It's

864
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: she realizes that love and like letting people in is

865
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: the thing that allows her to contros or that at

866
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: least allows her to unfreeze the Eternal Winter and to

867
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: like saw it all out. But that's also it's a

868
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: horrible lesson. If you're vulnerable, you'll just get gaslighted by

869
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: a ute Hubert. That's what happens when you're vulnerable with yourself. Well,

870
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: the problem is, I think, I mean, that's one of

871
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 1: the reasons I don't think this movie is very good

872
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: or very well written. Is it. The rules of her

873
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: powers and just the world building in general is not

874
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: very good and it leads to some story problems and

875
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But um, yeah, at least the movie,

876
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: as we've discussed before subverts enough of the like Disney

877
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: fairytale tropes that it isn't like another replica of some

878
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: of the more problematic ones that we've talked about, like

879
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: snow White. Um, so, I mean, Present is considerably less

880
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: problematic than most Princess movies, but it's still that does

881
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: not mean it does a good job. That is just

882
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: such a low bar to clear. Perhaps all of these

883
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: problems will be fixed in Frozen two November. Does that

884
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: really happen? Is that your plug? Yeah, that's my plug.

885
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,959
Speaker 1: I'd like to plug Present it really needs some big

886
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: marketing boost. Yeah, I hope so, I mean I would

887
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: be interested in because I mean, you think between late

888
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: and now there has been a pretty significant cultural shift

889
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: that I would hope it'd be reflected in the movie.

890
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: But I don't know. And speaking okay, so I a

891
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: lot of I remember at the time of this coming out,

892
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: a lot of the conversation around this movie was that

893
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: some people felt and it is certainly not explicitly stated

894
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: by the movie in any way and carefully done to

895
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: not state that that Elsa is coded queer. That's something

896
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: I've heard over and over again. It's like, especially like

897
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: even a couple of years ago. Disney would never like

898
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: Disney notoriously codes characters queer but as bad as queer villains,

899
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 1: like that is their bread and butter, and then this way.

900
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that many people read Elsa as

901
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: coded queer. I don't disagree with it. I certainly see

902
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: what they're saying, but I feel like part of the

903
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: reason that that is and it is ultimately a net

904
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: positive thing, I think for for kids seeing the movie.

905
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: But I think that the reason that happened is because

906
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: she started as a villain. In the first draft of

907
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: the character, she was a queer villain character. They softened

908
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: her to the point where she was an equally likable

909
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 1: character to the protagonist. But like that element of the character,

910
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: I think, like to some extent state intact because I

911
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: don't know, I feel like the way that Disney codes

912
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: characters as queer besides evil is alone. Well, that's what

913
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: I was going to ask, is what is the reason

914
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: that people were perceiving her or feeling that she was

915
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: coded as being queer. Is it only because she doesn't

916
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: have a love interest. I think that that's part of

917
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: the reason. I'd have to go I'd have to go

918
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: deep into, Like I think that there's a number of

919
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: ways to come at it. I know that for a

920
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 1: lot of people, I mean, just based on the research

921
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: he did. When the movie came out, people interpreted her

922
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: being isolated and not pursuing any love interest in the

923
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: movie as a possible way of queer cutting, which is

924
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 1: kind of like depressing when you think about it. Is like,

925
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, a queer character it has to be alone,

926
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: and uh, straight character has to end up with someone

927
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: like it just the rules of that world become very

928
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 1: fun very quickly, and strate characters in this movie is

929
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: an example. There's often more than one person pursuing her

930
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: because she's got I mean, Hans ends up being a

931
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: bad guy who's not actually a love interest of hers,

932
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: but she doesn't know that until towards the end. As

933
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: far as she's concerned, he loves her and he's her fiance.

934
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: And then meanwhile, like Christoph is like the scrappy, mean

935
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: person who is also secretly developing a crush on her,

936
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: but you could never tell her that because she's too

937
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: mean or whatever. But yeah, that I'd be interested to

938
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: learn more about that. There was do you remember, though,

939
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: there was like that big movement on Twitter. I remember

940
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: this just from being a frequent tweeter. There was like

941
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: brag sorry, but there was like hashtag give Elsa a girlfriend,

942
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: Like were very deep into viewing Elsa as like a

943
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: positive queer role model, which again I think is like

944
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: a net positive move, but also that you have to

945
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: dig through so many layers of creating meaning where the

946
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: movie isn't necessarily giving you much to go on. To

947
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: find a queer character in a movie for kids is

948
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: like frustrating. Wasn't the most recent Beauty and the Beast

949
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: the first time they had Josh, which is why I

950
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: don't hate him no, because first of all, that like

951
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: a queer moment in Beauty and the Beast is total

952
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: bullshit and Jock Gad is horrible. But getting back to

953
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: queer undertones and Frozen, I'm seeing and and this makes sense.

954
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: I again, it's like open to interpretation and everyone's going

955
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: to view this movie differently. I viewed Else's suppression of

956
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: her powers as more of like a femininity thing of like, here,

957
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: you're awesome, but keep it hidden so that you are

958
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: able to move through the world and you know, like,

959
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: don't become too powerful. I viewed that just seeing it

960
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: today is like a feminine thing, but a lot of

961
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: people view that as the experience of being in the

962
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: closet um, so that creates else's arc as like hiding

963
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: herself away from the world, isolating herself because she's not

964
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: comfortable with herself, she doesn't know how to be around

965
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: other people. And I guess that that is too many

966
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: viewers read as the experience of being in the closet

967
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: and then going back into the world as your authentic

968
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: self looking at it through that lens. Yeah, that's really

969
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: interesting because she does have that let it go very

970
00:58:52,400 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: empowering song slash moment the seventh seventh, So that's you

971
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: could maybe argue is like a parallel to her coming out.

972
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: Part of me is like, I guess that's kind of

973
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: cool that they if that was like their idea to

974
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: kind of leave it open to interpretations, so many different

975
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: people could insert themselves into the experience and put their

976
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: own experience into it. But I it would be way

977
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: more cool if there was a person that was like

978
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: explicitly right, because I don't think a lot of kids

979
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: are like watching this and writing that you know they're

980
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: not and not to that's again the intended audience of

981
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: this movie. So for children's movies, things like that, I

982
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: feel like do have to be more explicit because they're

983
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: not going to get I agree. I just think it

984
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: was interesting that it had such a profound yeah infect

985
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: and then also the inverse of that being that churches

986
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: got mad that also didn't have a boyfriend. Oh and

987
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: really and also if you that as queer cutting of

988
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: not having a boyfriend equals you are gay, bad news

989
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: for me in high school. So interesting. Yeah, So that

990
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: is I assumed, I've because I was aware of that

991
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: going into this and had a few notes to that.

992
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: For some reason, I didn't remember that happening at all,

993
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: but I am not as frequently tweeter, so maybe that's

994
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: why there's I don't know. Yeah, I thought that was interesting,

995
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: and that's something I'm very interested to see if they

996
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: do anything within Frozen two, because it was such a

997
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: big response and it's like, are they going to do

998
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: something good? Yeah, because I can't imagine that Disney would

999
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: commit to her being alone again for a whole movie, right,

1000
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: but if they give her a boyfriend, people will be yeah, exactly, Yeah, definitely,

1001
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: So let's see Jennifer Lee. I mean, I'm pretty down

1002
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: for Jennifer Lee the writer. I don't know if she's

1003
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: writing Frozen two. I hope she is. She is, because

1004
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: I don't know she's at least directing it, directing it again.

1005
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: And there was a There's been a few like little

1006
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: Frozen things like Olaf's Frozen Adventure. I didn't see that.

1007
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: There's something called Frozen Fever that I hated, like a paradox. Yeah,

1008
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: when I watched it, it made me realize that Frozen

1009
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: has been for kids all along, and I was like

1010
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: the second this is a cartoon for children, but it's

1011
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: also something that anyone, if any age, can enjoy. Yeah,

1012
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: and I did, if it appeals to them personally, I

1013
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: much prefer mo Wanna. Zotopia was great. They sing in Zootopia.

1014
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: They don't Well. Something we see in Frozen that we

1015
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: don't see in mo Wanna as much is that is

1016
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: I dam and sell. I think that's really were is

1017
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: one big thing. Mo Wanna, How's going for? It? Is

1018
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: a It's a bedroom movie. Be Josh Gad has nothing

1019
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: not anywhere near it, which is great Moanna too, though

1020
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: I know they recast Josh. It's actually people are freaking out.

1021
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: That job cad Isa, which is what the poster says,

1022
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 1: Josh gad is He's wanted. They jumped the shark. Melana

1023
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: has an evil twin. It's Josh. It's insane. He appears

1024
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: as himself a real man, not even jes Josh cad

1025
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: basically wearing Steve Wozniak outfit. It's horrible. But the theme

1026
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: of two strongly bonded women in a Disney movie who

1027
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: are not constantly being pitted against each other. We see

1028
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: mo Wana has a close connection with her family. Um,

1029
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: but I did like seeing Elsa and like, I hadn't

1030
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: seen a relationship like that in a kid's movie before,

1031
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: of like a strong familial bond between two characters that

1032
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: are very different that and I mean we already sort

1033
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 1: of unpacked the visual aspect of it. That's a problem.

1034
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: But like, I don't know, I thought it was really nice.

1035
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: And I even tear it up once or twice because

1036
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: I'm very fragile. But yeah, like the theme of like

1037
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: sisterly love and two strongly bonded women who have uh

1038
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: sordid history and that one almost killed the other twice.

1039
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: Uh it happens, But they still are able to resolve

1040
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: their differences, and I don't know, just like someone you're

1041
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: close with when you're young and then you grow apart

1042
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: because whatever your parents are on a bone and saying so,

1043
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: then you have to learn to love each other again

1044
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: as adults. Like that. It was nice. That is nice.

1045
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: I think one of the problems with it, though, is

1046
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: that we don't see them on screen together that much,

1047
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: because either Elsa is in seclusion or she just runs

1048
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: away and builds her ice palace. Like if you counted

1049
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: up the total amount of time that they are on

1050
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: screen together interacting, I imagine that it's like eight minutes

1051
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: or less. Like it's a very small part. What if

1052
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: they get to know each other, I don't even really

1053
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: like each other, that would be a lot. Frozen two

1054
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: barely have hung out with each other. Frozen two they

1055
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: like each other's posts on Instagram. But I've given that

1056
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:18,479
Speaker 1: kind of radio I I which is again another thing

1057
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: that I don't know. I don't know. I'm standing out

1058
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: for Jennifer Lee right now because I'm reading through all

1059
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: the stuff she pushed for in the movie that they

1060
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: were just like funk Off. Because she was pushing for

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01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: them to be together more in the movie. She was

1062
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: also pushing for them to know each other after their

1063
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: parents died, and the powers that be were like, no,

1064
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: we want them apart for the whole movie, which we

1065
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: can interpret as a way to I mean, there's I guess,

1066
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 1: sort of a narrative reason to do that, but by

1067
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: the end, I think there's no excuse for them to

1068
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: be apart for so long, so you can shoehorn in

1069
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: all your bullshit, Josh Gatz like, keeping the two interesting

1070
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: female leads apart just gives them the opportunity to sprinkle

1071
01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: in all these other dudes. Right. Yeah. Should we figure

1072
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: out whether or not this movie passes the Buchtel It

1073
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: does really early on Elsa and Anna as children. Anna

1074
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: runs into the room, She's like, wake up, let's play.

1075
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: But then she says, do you want to build a

1076
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: snow man? Yeah? That's what I was wondering about. Is

1077
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: it passed the test? If they're talking about snowman, how

1078
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: come it's never snow woman? How Come no one is

1079
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: ever like, let's go outside and build a snow woman

1080
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: or snow gender queer person. That's cool. My brother and

1081
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: I made a snow Tony Collette one year we were

1082
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: a Tony Collette household. Sure, yeah, yeah, she's very talented.

1083
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: We all felt that. Um So that scene, I think

1084
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: there's at least a two one exchange there. Later on,

1085
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: when they're both adults at the coronation ceremony, Elsa and

1086
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 1: Anna are like, oh my god, this is what a

1087
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 1: party looks like. And then we cut to a bunch

1088
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: of people standing around and not really enjoying themselves. Uh.

1089
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: And then I have had that thought a lot though.

1090
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 1: And then they tell each other they look beautiful, and

1091
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: then they smell chocolate together, and then Anna's like, I

1092
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: wish it could be like this forever and ELS's like,

1093
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: it can't because of my powers that you don't know about.

1094
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty much the end of that conversation.

1095
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: But I would say that by and large, like passes

1096
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: the whole way through. I don't think there's any mention

1097
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 1: of any men they're at all. They're not in that

1098
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: many scenes together. You think it would pass more frequently,

1099
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: but it really doesn't. I think like the next time

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01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 1: is when Anna is like, hey, will you give your

1101
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 1: blessing for me to marry Hans and rightfully so Else's like, no,

1102
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: but that does not pass the buck to test because

1103
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: they're talking about Hans. Later though, when Anna goes to

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01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: Elsa's ice palace, that passes because they're just like, hey,

1105
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: come back to Arandelle and almost yeah. After that, it's

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01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: probably not till the very end when they like reunite.

1107
01:06:56,760 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: There's opportunities that were missed right and left. If we

1108
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 1: had given perhaps I will see a scene that I

1109
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: think would have made a lot of sense and would

1110
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: have worked. Would have been a scene between either the

1111
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 1: mother and Anna or the mother and Elsa. It would

1112
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 1: have helped the story and that would have been away

1113
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: to shoehorn it and if we have to have a

1114
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: fucking snowman, make it not be Josh Gad, I was

1115
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: just gonna say evil, which Caitlin's mortal enemy, Melissa McCarthy.

1116
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: Like Melissa McCarthy, I just want everyone to know, it's crazy,

1117
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:38,919
Speaker 1: how evil you think Melissa McCarthys And we all disagree.

1118
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: A dark board in the studio with Melissa McCarthy face

1119
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: on it. It's so weird because it's like she's so

1120
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: talented and she really like knew when to steal a

1121
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: scene in Gilmore Girls and when to hang back. She's

1122
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,959
Speaker 1: a giving performer. I think we should give her more credit.

1123
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: Kalen also like the main stone troll person could have

1124
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: in a woman and she could have talked to the moose,

1125
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: the rein dare content, whatever it was. Um, yeah, there

1126
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 1: were plenty of opportunities for this movie the pass it

1127
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: for but it does definitely Yeah. Shall we rate on

1128
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 1: our nipple scale zero to five nipples based on its

1129
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: portrayal of women? This is another tough one where like

1130
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 1: I said, I think it's net positive in terms of

1131
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: the message that it sends, particularly to its young audience,

1132
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: and that it shows women being active in the story.

1133
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 1: It shows them having agency and making choices that have

1134
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: bearing on the story. They are for the most part,

1135
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 1: not damseled in any way the way that a lot

1136
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 1: of Disney princesses are for most of the stories that

1137
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 1: they're in. I think that having it not be a

1138
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: hetero love kiss that saves the day, but instead being

1139
01:08:55,040 --> 01:09:01,600
Speaker 1: a active between sisters right the it solves the conflict

1140
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: that asking for consent to kiss her at the end

1141
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:07,680
Speaker 1: I really really enjoyed. So I think there is a

1142
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 1: lot of good things to be taken away, but the

1143
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 1: fact that there's still several love stories that are feel

1144
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: kind of shoehorned in there that don't really need to

1145
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: be there. The fact that we don't see Anna and

1146
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: Elsa interacting more, the fact that they're you know, body

1147
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: types are the same body type we see over and

1148
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 1: over again in Disney Princess movies and in almost every

1149
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 1: movie in general. I think that there's still work to

1150
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: be done, So hopefully in Frozen two this year, next

1151
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:47,639
Speaker 1: number this year, which is next year. Yeah, so I'm

1152
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 1: gonna give it a three and a half nipples, maybe four,

1153
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, let's say three point seven five. Okay, wow? First,

1154
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 1: uh yeah, three point seven five. I'll give to to Anna,

1155
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: one to Elsa, the three fourth nipple to the mom

1156
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: who didn't say a damn word in the entire movie

1157
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 1: and then died tragically in a boat accident, not unlike

1158
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: most of the people on Titanic. True, yeah, very true.

1159
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: What if, oh my god, what if Elsa created the

1160
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 1: icebergs in tit She was so emotional. Women are two emotional,

1161
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:33,679
Speaker 1: and it sinks the Titanic eventually? Oh my god. Bad. Yeah,

1162
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 1: she probably made a glacier in her like you know,

1163
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: Fury her flurry fury. Yea it is, and then it

1164
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 1: breaks off centuries later floats into the Atlantic Ocean. The

1165
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 1: Titanic hits it. That's what happened. That's canon. Okay, Anyway,

1166
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 1: who's next, I'm going to give it. I was going

1167
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 1: to go two and a half. I think I'll go three.

1168
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 1: It frustrates me when movies like this because I liked

1169
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 1: this movie. There's so much not positive that you just

1170
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 1: just described. I also think it's very significant that this

1171
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 1: is the first Disney animated movie that is at least

1172
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 1: partially directed by a woman, written entirely by a woman.

1173
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: But now I'm going back to two and a half

1174
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 1: because because there are so many missed opportunities, and it

1175
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 1: really frustrates me when a movie tries to capitalize on

1176
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: how forward thinking it is when it still features so

1177
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 1: many themes and through lines that are regressive or at

1178
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 1: least maintaining a status quo that has existed in this

1179
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 1: these franchises for years and years. So mostly I mean

1180
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 1: two and a half based on cheer missed potential of

1181
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 1: what this movie could have been. I totally agree with

1182
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 1: what you're saying with reinforcing the like conventional Western beauty

1183
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 1: standard body image on such a high level, shoehorning in

1184
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 1: the love story was obnoxious and not totally necessary and

1185
01:11:56,360 --> 01:12:00,040
Speaker 1: just the missed opportunity for women to be present in

1186
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:04,879
Speaker 1: this story that was actively thwarted by the movie itself

1187
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 1: by keeping women away from each other. Because their scenes

1188
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 1: together I really love and I think that they're like

1189
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 1: so nice and special and yeah, taking the voice from

1190
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: the mom, why do that? Like, why is that necessary?

1191
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. It sucks because it's a good movie.

1192
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: I think net positive. And you know, girls who are

1193
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 1: in school now and this is their movie are way

1194
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 1: better off than we were where we're like, oh, the

1195
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 1: girl who funck a dog is my hero. Uh, that's

1196
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:40,680
Speaker 1: a belle from beauty. And the girl who french the

1197
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 1: dog is my is my favorite girl. Um, and you're

1198
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:51,680
Speaker 1: always French with coyotes. Yeah, I'm from approaching coyotes on

1199
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 1: the street thinking conflating it with true love. And and

1200
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: we're even better off than our generation work if it

1201
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 1: was like growing up, Yeah, they're like fall asleep. Maybe

1202
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: someone will show up without checking. It does demonstrate progress.

1203
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 1: Progress is very slow though that's not an excuse, but

1204
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 1: it tends to be extremely slow, but there are so

1205
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:21,679
Speaker 1: many and and just like reading about how the writer

1206
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,599
Speaker 1: director of this movie was trying to push it forward

1207
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 1: and was actively thwarted by the system she was working

1208
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,839
Speaker 1: within sucks to I mean, I'm glad she was pushing,

1209
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 1: and I think that this movie would have sucked if

1210
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 1: she wasn't pushing, really pushing. So it's like progress but

1211
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 1: not enough progress. I hate that it's still like princesses

1212
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: will sooner French a dog than be queer. That's like crazy.

1213
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:48,640
Speaker 1: Um so two and a half from me one on

1214
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 1: a one to Elsa and I'm given one to Gadable,

1215
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 1: given one to gad Listen, he needs a win from

1216
01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 1: me personally that he's very wealthy and doing games. Yeah,

1217
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 1: I think he spent more time talking about how much

1218
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: you hate them than Anna and Elsa appear on screen

1219
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 1: together in the movie Frienz Problem. The only thing that

1220
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 1: I feel more strongly than loving women is hating what if? Okay,

1221
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:24,440
Speaker 1: and also Alfred Molina as one of any female identifying

1222
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 1: person or also this movie I Have to Go Back

1223
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 1: does not pass it back to al test because Josh appears. Okay,

1224
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 1: that's your opinion. I do not stand new hard rule.

1225
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 1: Does Josh God appear in the movie, Chris, Okay, I

1226
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 1: wrote down three three nipples, three les, a lot of

1227
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:51,560
Speaker 1: the stuff about like the mom not speaking. That's pretty crazy.

1228
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 1: How there are literally only two or three potentially women

1229
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 1: in the movie, and one of them dies almost immediately,

1230
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:00,720
Speaker 1: and one of them is a role whose name we

1231
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 1: never know and we don't know anything about her. Yeah.

1232
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I think if it was like on a

1233
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:08,639
Speaker 1: scale of like all the Disney movies, then it would

1234
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 1: be like higher than three. Because this is until Mowanna,

1235
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 1: which we gave I think five nipples across the board.

1236
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:23,679
Speaker 1: We were like, coming back. It is a very good movie. Yeah,

1237
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 1: that's great. Yeah, and then uh, of course I have

1238
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 1: my issues with the song in the song. Of course

1239
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: you've recopied your list well, just to make it clear

1240
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 1: for myself. So just to clarify, the seventh worst song

1241
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 1: is let It Go, which is You're also the best,

1242
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 1: but seventh worst today it's the best, right. Number six

1243
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: worst is Love as an Open Door. It's just a

1244
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 1: nice song. Number five I wish to build a Snowman, right, Okay, Yeah,

1245
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 1: I wish to number four fix her upper the Trolls

1246
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 1: song I see I like the trolls. I know that

1247
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: they're just And are they the trolls? Never got the

1248
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 1: answer no, because they look like the trolls. But those

1249
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:12,919
Speaker 1: trolls aren't made of stone. That's just like a weird

1250
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 1: if you saw a cartman but he was made of stone.

1251
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 1: You say, cart cartman, cartman? And can we help him? Yeah?

1252
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 1: And is that legal? Leave Cartman and stone? But also,

1253
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 1: I can't watch South Park anymore because Matt Stone and

1254
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 1: Trey Parker they gave Josh Cadd his big break, but

1255
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 1: the Mormons they did actually don't funk with Cartman anymore

1256
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 1: because it's got a little bit too close to Josh

1257
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 1: Cad being a relevant person. Yeah, so sorry, he could

1258
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 1: clay him in the live action movie One day. Were

1259
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 1: given the list, anyway, where was I? I'll start from

1260
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:53,719
Speaker 1: the beginning. Number seven again, Let it Go loves Novador,

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Speaker 1: Bill the Snowman, fix her up? Okay for third worst,

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Speaker 1: I'm a Stoneman, he Won't kill Me. Number two Getting

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Speaker 1: Ready for the Party is the second worst. Number one

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Speaker 1: Ice Guys Making Nice is the worst song in the movie.

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Speaker 1: Guys Making Nice is a terrible song, and no and

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Speaker 1: it's the only song no women appear in. Oh sure,

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Speaker 1: well we don't know how that's true. Well, alright, so

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Speaker 1: three nipples and I give all three to whatever interesting

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Speaker 1: character will be revealed in the second Frozen that's coming out.

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Speaker 1: The three nipples character we haven't There's gotta be something

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Speaker 1: something either creepy, scary, bad, or hot the four tenants

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Speaker 1: of a movie. Yeah, that's like the National Honor Society.

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Speaker 1: Are you Are you over the creepy, scary, bad, or

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Speaker 1: hot you have to be to get in tonight? Well

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Speaker 1: I'm back to being mad. Okay, Chris, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for Thank you so much for having me. We

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Speaker 1: had so much fun talking about Frozen. Where can people

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Speaker 1: find you online? Follow you to Hot Guy with Glasses

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Speaker 1: dot com is my website or Chris Farren dot com.

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Speaker 1: Both will send you to the same place and on

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Speaker 1: Twitter Chris Farren, Instagram, Chris Farren Facebook, Chris Farren. Also

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Speaker 1: check out Chris's music. Yes, oh I'm a musician. Well,

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Speaker 1: thanks again so much for being here. You can follow

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Speaker 1: the becktel Cast on social media at becktel Cast. You

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Speaker 1: can give us gifts the way that Chris Farren's fan

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Speaker 1: gave fans gave him. We have one fan. They just

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Speaker 1: started a voting ACTIVI voting accident. Yeah, the way your

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Speaker 1: fans have given you frozen gifts. One of those gifts

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Speaker 1: our Matreon because I'll get you too bonus episodes. Anyway, Well,

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Speaker 1: thanks for listening and we'll see you next time. Bye,