1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: He loves the mental chess match of football. It's not 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: just throwing the football, it's the protection, it's the run 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: sets that's fun for him. Welcome to Jaguars Reporters presented 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: by t I a A Bank with Brian Sexton, John Osher, 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: Ashlyn Sullivan and j P. Shadrick. Presented by t I 6 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: A A Bank. Starts right now. Welcome in Jaguar's Reporter Podcast. 7 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: Ashlan Sullivan, Brian sects him back here with us. Hello, 8 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: Hello John Osier here, Hello Safety Shadrick on vacation. Goodbye, 9 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: that's time of here, goodbye as we all will soon be. 10 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: This is good for us for the whole weeks. This 11 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: is it. This is your last chance to grab the 12 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: Jaguar content. This is the last podcast for a month, 13 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: no more drive time, no more happy hours. And it's 14 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: a good thing. I think one of the things absence 15 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: makes the heart grow fonder, do you know. I mean 16 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: I always used to look forward to the art of football. 17 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: So you've been gone for two weeks and I can't 18 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: say that applies for me. No, I didn't think it 19 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: never has. John, what you were going ten years in Indianapolis? 20 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: You didn't miss me? Um? Well, I I think sometimes 21 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: the NFL makes a mistake and they think that it's 22 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: just content, it's all people want. Let him, you know, 23 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: let him miss you for a little while, let him 24 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: get hungry for what you're bringing for a little while. 25 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: Don't keep beating the same storylines into the ground with people. 26 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: Let him have a break, yes, and that break is 27 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: coming shortly. Coaches are out of the building. They have 28 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: a well deserved vacation for about the next month, as 29 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,279 Speaker 1: well as players, and they definitely deserve it, John, because 30 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: this has been an off season program where a lot 31 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: has been expected of them. There has been a ton 32 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: of change. I think we all can agree a lot 33 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: has been accomplished, but there is a lot going on 34 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: on the field this off season. Yeah, I mean, I 35 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: think that's one reason that urban Meyer last week on Wednesday, 36 00:01:55,360 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: uh gave the veterans that third mini camp off. He 37 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: didn't address this, but I'm assuming that the attendance was 38 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: so good for veterans and that they got their work done. 39 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: I would think if they hadn't gotten their work done, 40 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: he probably would have worked them that day. So it's 41 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: a signal to the veterans if you do things right, 42 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: you'll get your reward. It's the way you ought to 43 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: do it. They were, They worked, and I didn't expect 44 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: them not to work. I think it's noticed. I think 45 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: it's notable that they did this under Urban Meyer. It 46 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: it felt in the last two or three weeks, as 47 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: it did throughout the whole time, that everybody was on 48 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: the same page. Everybody gets it when they come back 49 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: on July. There's a couple of things. It feels like 50 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: they know what's expected offensively, defensively, off the field culture. 51 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: To me, that's what the off season is all about, 52 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: more than you know, showing what a guy can do 53 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: in the field. If they're ready to get this thing 54 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: going on July, then mission accomplished in April, May and Gym. Yeah, 55 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: and we're excited to see the path on because we didn't. 56 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: I would say we found out a good amount and 57 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: we have some players now that we're going to pay 58 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: attention to. But coach Ramayer was very clear that every 59 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: practice there were no winners or losers. We tried, We 60 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: really did try to find those winners and losers. There 61 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: were a lot of practices where you couldn't find that. 62 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: And I said this multiple times. I've got to think. 63 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: And again, I don't think any of us no urban 64 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: yet as well as as as we'd like to. It's 65 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: been busy having a chance to sit down with him. 66 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: I've got to think the winners and losers, those not 67 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: being there during the offseason. I don't know if irritated 68 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: is the right word, but it was. It was certainly 69 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: a a rhythm shock, if you will, meaning for seventeen 70 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: years as a head coach, his rhythm has been as 71 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: a college head coach, you go out, your guys are hitting, 72 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: you build up to a spring game, you have competition, 73 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: you have guys winning jobs. So that's sort of the 74 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: you know, the mood of the time. He's ready to 75 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: go out there and see that. And I think in 76 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: the NFL, even though he knew that wasn't gonna be 77 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: the case, I need to go out to a practice 78 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: and realize, oh, we're not going to really get a 79 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: depth chart win out of this. We're not going to 80 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: find out this about a guy. I'm sure he had 81 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: to adjust to it, and Brian I will say, um 82 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: during O t as in mini camp that one of 83 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: the biggest headlines we came off the prox FIELM We 84 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: started talking about a kicking competition. That's where we were 85 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: at Aultra Gross Sauce and Josh Lamb, but we were 86 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: telling field goals because because all of a sudden has 87 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: become a competition and that was our headlines that already 88 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: absence makes a heart grow fonder. I mean, when we're 89 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: talking about kicking competitions in Mini camp, you know your 90 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: way off of of the area where most people are 91 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: excited about. UM. I do think though, with with Josh 92 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: coming off that hip injury, it does create a little 93 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: bit of storyline not being here for Mini Camp. UM. 94 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: The one thing that I can say is that there appears, 95 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: and it's early that the culture change, the the tide shifting. 96 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: UM he's taking place because of the number of veterans 97 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: who were here right and he didn't cut deals with 98 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: the players Association like a couple of franchises the Colts 99 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: most notably did. He did his thing and he asked 100 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: the veterans to be here, and by the actions that 101 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,799 Speaker 1: he took and the words that he spoke, he got 102 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: things going the way he wanted to. I would say 103 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: a couple of big things. One big thing is that 104 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: do you think the competition kicker is real. If you 105 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: look at Aldric Rossis in uh he has an eighteen 106 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: the Giants, he was an all pro kicker. I got 107 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: some questions from those on readers, why in the world 108 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: would they consider competition for Josh Lambo? Why are they 109 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: doing this? And answers because Roses is good. So I 110 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: think there is a thought on their part. Let's not 111 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: make the mistake of letting of just assuming the Lambo 112 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: is better. Let's make him and it and Roses has 113 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: a stronger leg in terms of, you know, just pure power. 114 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: And also in prepping for this show, I thought we 115 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: were gonna ask big things, so I came up with 116 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: one um the real out of all the things that 117 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: you can find out during a mini camp. The receiving group, 118 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: it feels to me like timing and their effort in 119 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: the off season has created what I do think can 120 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: be a special group. And the timing, I mean the 121 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: DJ Chark now in his fourth year, he's ready, This 122 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: is ready to be his time. Let's get n Alt 123 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: who this regime didn't draft either of these guys. I'm 124 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: saying there's some timing involved with those two guys. I 125 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: think Sat looks good. I think the key to the 126 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: group is going to be how Marvin Jones and his 127 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: eleventh year is He's still the guy we saw the 128 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: last couple of years. They all look good on the 129 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: field and in mini camp that matters. So UM, keeping 130 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: out on the receivers coming to training camp. Well, and 131 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: we said this several times last year, mostly as it 132 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: relates to the offensive line, but consistent quarterback play gives 133 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: all of those guys a chance. And we're assuming that 134 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: we're going to see consistent play from a rookie quarterback. Um, 135 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: but consistent quarterback play will give each of those guys 136 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: an opportunity to make more big plays down the field 137 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: because they'll be where they're supposed to be and then 138 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,559 Speaker 1: the ball will be there. I mean, it just wasn't 139 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: last year whether it was Gardner, Minshew or Jake Luton, 140 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: it didn't matter. Mike Lennon. The quarterback play was so 141 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: wildly inconsistent that nobody on the offensive offensive line wide 142 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: receivers could count on things being the same play to play. UM, 143 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:42,559 Speaker 1: So I agree with you, John, I think you're gonna 144 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: see more of Chark and Channault and these guys this 145 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: year than you could in the past. Not that you did, 146 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: but then you could. We will note that there is 147 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: another wide receiver on this team. The Jaguars signed Lakwan 148 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: tread Will over the weekend, so adding more depth to 149 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: that wide receiver group that we all expect a lot him. 150 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: And we talk about big guy who can run. Yeah, 151 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: fast guy, and we know Urban loves fast guys. The 152 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: consistency at quarterback, it was very optimistic to see that 153 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence ended the off season program with what I 154 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: thought was his best day from what we saw, especially 155 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: in the red zone period. We we overhyped that the 156 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: day that he struggled and the timing was off, John, 157 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: he made progress in two weeks, notable progress in the 158 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: red zone. Yeah, and it's an unpadded practice, so let's 159 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: not put him in the hall. But I was with you, honestly, 160 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: he looked like you expected him to look and made 161 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: some throws that with a quarterback, if it's going to 162 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: be special, there has to be some throws where you 163 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: look at each other in the sidelines and went, why 164 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: did you see that? You know, how did he do that? Throws? Uh? 165 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: In terms of accuracy, in terms of timing, he had 166 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: two or three within one red zone drill. I don't 167 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: know what that means for the big picture, but I 168 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: know it's better to see it than not to see it. 169 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: And there was an energy that a quarterback brand. I 170 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: think Bucky Brooks mentioned this one of our shows last week. 171 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: There's an energy when that happens at the quarterback position 172 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: that feeds off into everything else. And all of a sudden, 173 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: you see other players walking off the field after practice 174 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: and sort of mumbling to each other, do you see 175 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: the quarterback today? Well, that gets everybody on board because everybody, 176 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: you know, whether they say it public or not, they 177 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: get what that means. Um, it couldn't have been a 178 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: better way to finish the offseason than to have his 179 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: positive man and going forward because that lives now for 180 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: five weeks. When they come back, they believe in the kids. Well. 181 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: And I you can't convince me that he didn't intend 182 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: for the final practice to be his best. I mean, 183 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: he was always going to get better and make progress. 184 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: And I don't know him yet, okay, but from what 185 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: I have heard of him about him, from him, I 186 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: would anticipate that he wanted to leave the practice field 187 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: with that sort of feeling showing his teammates, he's ready 188 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: to go. Um, you know, I know they're they're not 189 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: anointing him the starter yet, even though everyone else sees 190 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: that it's what coaches do, right, they say, earn it. 191 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: I can't. I'm not just going to hand you number one. 192 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: Earn it from that practice. Yeah, he's number one. Yeah, 193 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: And I don't understand that's why. And I get why 194 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: it's on Sports Center, it's national news. But when Brian Schotneimer, 195 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: passing game corner, went and said, yeah, we don't have 196 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: to start yet, what do you expect him to say? 197 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: And he's not the head coach? Yeah, Trevor's our starter. Yeah, 198 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and take the headline from coach. 199 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: Meyer would have said the same thing that day. He 200 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: wasn't really asked. He wouldn't really ask the question. On Monday, 201 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: no one asked. Everyone knows, right, But had he been 202 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: asked about the quarterback? Who still you know here to 203 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: say the exact same thing. I expect some time in 204 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 1: training camp that they'll say that Trevor Lawrence is the 205 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: starter and then that'll be it. You know, But I 206 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: don't think, you know, I don't think it's a bad 207 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: idea to make all these rookies earn it. That's certainly 208 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: the culture that Urban came from in college, where you know, 209 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: the spring, you earn things, and you know there were 210 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: ceremonies involved when you are in those things. He wants 211 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 1: that to matter, and even wants that to matter to 212 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. Well, if you are creating a culture of competition, 213 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: you can't say it's everyone but him, right, you have 214 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: to say everyone's engaged. I mean, if he was Peyton 215 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: Manning in the thirteen year veteran in ten Pro Bowls, maybe, 216 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: but he's not, So why not just make it go 217 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: that way? And Plus, if you know anything about the kid, 218 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: that's that's the way he is. He he loves to compete. 219 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 1: He wants to compete, so it doesn't bother anybody. And 220 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: you know, years of doing this, I've never met a 221 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: coach that says, oh, yeah, he's he's the guy, you know, 222 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: to him, make him earn it. That's fine, he'll earn 223 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: it pretty quickly. He is clearly the best quarterback in 224 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: this universe. Well this universe, say the universe. I said 225 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: this uni verse. I like it. All right, let's go 226 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: to did you hear that speaking of Brian Schottmanner and 227 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, they're talking about putting in the extra work. 228 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: When Trevor leaves this facility, his ability to come in 229 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: and learn this system um has been very impressive. Uh 230 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: it's been a lot of long hours. You know. He 231 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: works his butt off when he leaves the building, he studies. 232 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: He texts me all the time with questions, which I love. 233 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it'll be ten o'clock at night and he'll 234 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: be like a shoddy on the back side of this. 235 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: Are we we alerting that? Or how we handling this 236 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: in this protection? Look? Uh So he's just he's he 237 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: loves the mental chess match of football. When you talk 238 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: to him, he loves that part of it, um. And 239 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: it's not just throwing the football, it's the protection, it's 240 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: the run checks. Like he he truly is a guy 241 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: that did that. That's fun for him. So when you 242 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: get a guy like that that leaves the building and 243 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: he's spending hours on his own as a coach, it 244 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: gets you excited because you know you better be prepared 245 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: for your next morning's meeting because he's going to be 246 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: ready to go. I couldn't help but laugh at that 247 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: John when he was talking about Trevor texting at with questions. One. 248 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: You love to hear that, that's that's awesome to hear 249 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: from your rookie quarterback, but talking about how he is 250 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: amplifying even the coaching staff to be even more prepared 251 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: for a morning meeting. Yeah, and that's what you went 252 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: out of the quarterback, especially at this age. I kind 253 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: of picture Bryan Shotenheimer tried to watch Stranger Things at night. 254 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: He's kind of saying, Okay, look, we get it. But 255 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: Schottenheimer was impressive. I had him in here last Wednesday 256 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: for an ozone podcast that are Run down the Road, um, 257 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 1: you know, and his story of why he took this 258 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: job was interesting. It wasn't necessarily just Trevor Lawrence. He 259 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: likes to fit um, but certainly there is a once 260 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: in a lifetime element as a as a passing game coordinator, 261 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: obviously a coordinator to get to work with Trevor Lawrence. 262 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: I wasn't surprised at all. It's exactly what you want 263 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: to hear, that the kid is so involved with the 264 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: playbook that he can't get enough of it at this point. I, um, 265 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: just because of my tie to Kansas City. I followed 266 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: Brian Schottenheimer since he was a quarterback at Blue Valley 267 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: High and then he went to Kansas before transferring to Florida. 268 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: So I'm impressed with him just what he's done, the 269 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: places he's been. It's hard not to when Russell Wilson 270 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: sings his praises, you know, for the and Russell Wilson 271 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: was established before Schottenheimer got there. Um. I loved it 272 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: when he talked and of course, you know my affinity 273 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: for for Philip Rivers. I loved it when he talked about, 274 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: you know, seeing qualities in Trevor Lawrence that reminded him 275 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: of Philip Rivers. Fantastic, that's great. I hope he's better 276 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: than Philip Rivers because he wins some championships, but Philip 277 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: Rivers is a nice place to start. Yes, it is 278 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: high praise. All right, good time for everyone asked. I'm 279 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: going first with a question. What is a very early 280 00:14:55,360 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: on camp battle you will be paying attention to We're back? Uh, 281 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: I M I think I want to see, although I 282 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: think I know how it's gonna play out during camp, 283 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: but I want to watch offensive tackle to see how 284 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: much Walker little pushes right to these two guys. I 285 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: don't think he'll win a job during camp, but my 286 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: expectation is that at some point during the season he 287 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: will either push enough that there will be an injury 288 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: somewhere along the offensive line where somebody moves to guard, 289 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: and somehow Walker Little gets into the lineup, and he'll 290 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: have shown in camp that he's ready for it. Maybe 291 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: happened sooner than that, but my anticipation is that he 292 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: will be ensconced in the starting lineup before the end 293 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: of the season. I'm going right there too, I'm gonna 294 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: go in the offensive line. Could you see Walker Little 295 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: is the starting left tackle at some point this season 296 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: and Cam Robinson moving to the right side. I think 297 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: he's too tall, just my opinion, and I know that. Um, 298 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: you've seen taller guards in Jacksonville. You know, let alone, 299 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: Jonathan Ogden started his career as a guard before moving 300 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: outside to tackle. UM. I could see him and tackle 301 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: and Jowan Taylor inside right guard. Um, I the offensive 302 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: line is going to be an interesting It's gonna be 303 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: really interesting. Doug Marone, as an offensive line coach, had 304 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: a lot to say about what the offensive line looked 305 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: like now you've got more players, and Ben Bartch I 306 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: think might even factor into the competition this year too. 307 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: You've got a lot more players and a lot more 308 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: guys to create what you want. And I wouldn't put 309 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: it past them to let George Warhop do what he 310 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: wants as opposed to George Warhop doing what Doug Marone wanted. 311 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: Totally agree. And you mentioned the quarterback. We talked at 312 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: great length about this last week, even on the Frenzie Show. 313 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: I will say I will be watching backup quarterback and 314 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: Brian if you would have told me for of months 315 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: ago and he would have asked me, you know, Gardner Minshew, 316 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: he's gonna be the backup quarterback, it is in no way, 317 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: no wow, no how he's traded by then this this 318 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: can't work. But watching him play in off season programs, 319 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: I think he blew away C J. Bethard And if 320 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: this can work, if you're judging it just based off 321 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: football performance, he should be backup quarterback. Well, look, if 322 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: you can bring Tim Tebow onto the roster um, you 323 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 1: can keep Gardner Minshew, right, I mean, and I say 324 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: that because if you don't have a strong quarterback in 325 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. You can't bring Tim Tebow in here because 326 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: then everybody thinks he's going to be a quarterback in 327 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: not a tight end. Um, there's no doubt that Trevor 328 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: Lawrence is the quarterback and that Gardner Minshew is trying 329 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: to figure out what his NFL career is gonna look like. 330 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: If he outplays c. J. Bethard, then by all means 331 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: and credit to him. Um, you know, he went into 332 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: this off season. He could assault, He could have forced 333 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: them to cut him just by his attitude alone. But 334 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: apparently he put his nose to the grindstone realizing you 335 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: know what's in front of him, saw the forest, through 336 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 1: the trees if you will, and decided, Okay, you know 337 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: I can have a long career as a number two. 338 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 1: I might not be a number one. Number two makes 339 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: good money, so let me see if I can go 340 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: and make something of it. So, yeah, he could be 341 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: on the roster. The one thing everyone was looking at 342 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: the money they paid C. J. Beth third. They gave 343 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: him more guaranteed money. You don't generally give that to 344 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: a quarterback you're gonna cut. But if Minshew wins it, 345 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: there's enough cap room here they can afford to say, well, 346 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: that was a mistake. Yeah, I think, Um, I agree 347 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: with you. And the guaranteed money, it feels like it 348 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: maybe wasn't enough guaranteed money that if it's clear and 349 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: obvious that Minshew should be the backup. Uh, you know, 350 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: I don't think it would be so much guaranteed money 351 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: that they would have to make the decision based on 352 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: that if it's a sense so uh, it would be 353 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: as it would be, not a It wouldn't fit what 354 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: they're preaching. If every player in the locker rooms looking 355 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: at it, gone, look, Minshi is better than that third. 356 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: And I don't know if that will happen in training 357 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: camp or not, but I don't think they would abandoned 358 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: that so early with such an obvious position. Um, It's 359 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: going to be interesting to see how that plays out 360 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: in training camp because I do think it will be 361 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: an on field battle that's uh, very important. You know, 362 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: It's my question. The line of demarcation was the Cincinnati 363 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: game last year because in the post game, Jay Gruden 364 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: came out and said it he can't see down the 365 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: field right, and that was the problem. He couldn't see 366 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: down the field, so he was holding the ball too 367 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: long and taking too many sacks, making too many mistakes 368 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: with the ball in his hand. So either they have 369 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: crafted part of the playbook to fit his skills, or 370 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: he has worked somehow at finding the passing lanes and 371 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: stepping into them and seeing better down the field. If 372 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: he has, there isn't any reason why he couldn't be 373 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: your backup. You shall see, all right, John, what is 374 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: your question? My question is, um, what will uh sick 375 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: says look like for this team next year? And we've 376 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: been through training camp, I mean, I've been through the 377 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: off season, so at that point we're looking at big picture. Uh, 378 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to assume they don't have to be holding 379 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: the trophy at the end of the season for us 380 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: like where they are. So what does this team need 381 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: to do for you to feel good about this team 382 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: whenever the seasons? You know, I hate to admit this, 383 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: I don't know what they were scoring last year, I forget, 384 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: I mean, but it was it was very, very low. 385 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: I'd like to see them look like a team that 386 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: can score twenty eight points a game as opposed to 387 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: it seems like forever around here, even in seventeen, they 388 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: were not a high scoring team unless the defense was 389 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 1: adding points to it. Um So to me, it'll be 390 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: averaging twenty eight points a game, meaning it's a high 391 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: octane offense, right Uh, And then the others stopped the run. 392 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: I mean, if you can stop the run and you 393 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: can score points, you can win games. I'm gonna go 394 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: wins and losses. I think this team gets to seven wins. 395 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: It's a good year coming off of a year where 396 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: they won one game. If you would have told us 397 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: that last year, what is that signed me up for that? 398 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: And I know the expectations are much higher than that, 399 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: as they should be, but if you're progressing in the 400 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: right direction. And I think there are still some holes 401 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: on this roster. I know we have questions about can 402 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 1: they stop the run with what they brought in. You 403 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: like what they brought in, but can they do it? 404 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: I still think there are some holes, and I think 405 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: seven wins is a bit realistic and would be a 406 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: good year. I think I agree with you. I think 407 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: they have made strides towards where they want to be 408 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 1: a I'll talk about Urban Myers approach in the defensive 409 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: line of wanting to be in the top eight in 410 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: the league or the top quarter. They're closer to that. 411 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: It's tough in the NFL to fill every hole to 412 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: that degree in one off season because so much of 413 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: what you have to do is drafting well, and with 414 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: drafting comes development, and it's hard to develop in one year. 415 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: So I think they're closer to that. I would see 416 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: success as seven and ten, but that number I don't 417 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: care as much about. I want to be sitting here 418 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: on January knowing that sixteen is the guy. If you 419 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: know he's the guy, then it's successful. The Colts in 420 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: three and thirt but in December they knew that he 421 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: was elite. They knew he was going to be a guy. 422 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: So that next off see, they knew what they were going, 423 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: they knew what they were building around the right. So 424 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: that success to me, do you know Trevor's the guy. 425 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: We we had a conversation in one of these podcasts 426 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: about you know, how they would start, and I think 427 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: I was optimistic and said, I could see, you know, 428 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: them winning three games in their first five, but then 429 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: they have that six game stretch where they're in Seattle 430 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 1: and they faced the Rams. I mean, it's a brutal 431 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: six game stretch. Okay, So Let's say you come out 432 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: of there and you're a couple of games below five hundred. 433 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: What you'd like to see is them pick up some 434 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: steam and win a couple of games down the run down, 435 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: the final stretch. Run that makes you go, Okay, here 436 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: we go in two, add a few things in the 437 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: off sea doesn't have another good draft, and here we go. 438 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: There's nothing more exciting than a team with a young 439 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: star quarterback ascending as the season ends because the future 440 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: looks so bright. All right, Brian, what do you got 441 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: for us? This moment seems to be the moment right 442 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: for the franchise. I can't remember a time in your 443 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: time here where there was more anticipation, right, and that 444 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: if the quarterback, and it's the coach, and it's it's 445 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: all the things that are going on. Um. But take 446 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: that aside. What position group have you seen out there 447 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: on the field in mini camp and in in um 448 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: in the O t A s that made you go, wow, 449 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: they are markedly better there, markedly better. And I'll say 450 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: the defensive line just the numbers alone and in the 451 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: size of these guys, they're bigger for the first time 452 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: since Calais and Malik and Marcel were there. It looks 453 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: like they've got that caliber of athlete. I don't know 454 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: if it's a caliber player, John, but it looks like 455 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: the defensive line has that caliber of athlete. I'm gonna 456 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: go with uh, and I agree with you, Um, I 457 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: still wonder they're markedly better. It feels like they have 458 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: taken a significant step from being I would say deficient 459 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 1: at the defensive tackle position to being where they're going 460 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: to be able to go into games expecting to be 461 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: able to compete. I think there's still going to be 462 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: a step later on where they need to get elite. Uh. 463 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: But perhaps something on the roster can be a von 464 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 1: Hamilton's a guy that right, So we haven't seen it 465 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: yet and always seen her unpadded practice, so it's hard 466 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: to know. Um. For mine, I will say, ah, well, 467 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: first I'll take quarterback, which you can't say quarterback because 468 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: that's so obvious. Um, I'll say it in in a slightly 469 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: different way. I'll say receiver. Although it's not necessarily a 470 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: personnel that has made them better. But Chanalt and Shark, 471 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: on a couple of different instances, both had huge days 472 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: in minicamp, and Chanlt to me looked more like a 473 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: polished receiver than he had at any point last year. Um, 474 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's fairer or not, but there 475 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: were just some times where he was getting open easily, 476 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: where it looked like he was starting to get it 477 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: as a receiver. And if if Shark is back to 478 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen with an improvement, which he sort of looks, 479 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, that group looks a lot better. 480 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: So I'll say that with the caveat of it's it's 481 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: really depending on those two guys taking steps. But it 482 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: feels like they're doing that. It doesn't channel especially I 483 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: think looks the part put on ten pounds of muscle 484 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: is separating so much easier. And we always talk about 485 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: him as as the playmaker, the offensive weapon. He has 486 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: shown that he has the ability to be the receiver guy, 487 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: an offensive weapon, a receiver if he doesn't get hurt. 488 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: In nineteen, he was a top ten pick, right, I mean, 489 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: he was considered one of the top ten players going 490 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: into his junior season and then he had got injured 491 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: and had some problem to Colorado. Um, he you know, 492 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: he might have been a top five pick. He's got 493 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: that kind of potential. He does. I'm gonna go cornerbacks 494 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 1: mainly because of Shaquille Griffin and how much he has 495 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: amplified that unit and the leadership he brings, the intensity 496 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: he brings. This is just a unit that was making 497 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: so many plays, especially during Mini camp, really tight coverage, 498 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: pass breakups everywhere, and guys like, yes, you talked about 499 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: Shaquille Griffin, but you also talk about Trey Herndon and 500 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: Sydney Jones, who I think needed that guy in the 501 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: locker room and in their meeting room. Like Shaquille Griffin 502 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: kind of amplify everyone because now everyone is making more plays. 503 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: And I don't know if you can put that weight 504 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: on Sydney Jones shoulders, but now that he doesn't have 505 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: to worry about that, they're all playing better. Well it's 506 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: supposed to be. You know. I don't say this to 507 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: add undue pressure to the position, but if you look 508 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: at you know, talent acquisition, the NFL is about equity spent. Well, 509 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: they spent top ten pick in c J. Henderson, biggest 510 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: free agent money. If he wasn't the biggest free agent contract, 511 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: he was in the top two on Shaquille Griffin. Uh 512 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: for this team I'm not saying he was, but and 513 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: then you drafted essentially a first round pick with Tyson Campbell, 514 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: and you've got Sydney Jones, who at one point I 515 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: think he was the second round pick, was not coming 516 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: out and he played pretty well before we got hurt 517 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: last year. But for this team, they now have within 518 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: the last what sixteen months, dating back to the draft, 519 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: have spent a top ten equity, almost first round equity, 520 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 1: and big free agent equity on their top three corners. 521 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: It's supposed to be one of the top two or 522 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: three positions on the team now based on that, and 523 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: it's a position. If you do that on the offensive line, 524 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: maybe you expect it to be good the following year 525 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: out because then that takes continuity. Defensive ackfield spankin acually 526 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: expect to be good right now. I expect him to 527 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: give enough coverage um that caleban Chason and Josh Allen 528 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 1: have enough time to impact the quarterback. And you know, 529 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 1: I can't add a lot. I mean, you guys have 530 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: covered the numbers, but if you go back and look 531 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: at the Jalen Ramsey trade, their five, you know, premium positions, quarterback, 532 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: left tackle, wide receivers, become one pass rusher and corner. Well, 533 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: they came away with a corner right, a pass rusher, 534 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: a quarterback, and then Travis Atns are running back. But 535 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,239 Speaker 1: maybe he's a receiver too, So I mean they came 536 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: away with premium positions the last two years from the 537 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey trade and in particular the twenty draft with 538 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: c J Henderson and Caleb and Chason. If if Henderson's healthy, 539 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: and it sounds like he's going to be, you have 540 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: the potential for those two players to really take their 541 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: game to another level this year. And with edition of 542 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: all the other names that John went through, you know, 543 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: I expect Josh Allen to be back. So that group 544 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: in the in the secondary, forget forget interceptions and pass 545 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: breakups and things like that. If their coverage is tight 546 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: enough that Calevan and Josh have an extra second to 547 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: make a move and bat a ball or get around 548 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: to tackle, you'll see a dramatic increase. You know, you 549 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: just have to turn the wrench two millimeters to make 550 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: something tighter, right, That's it, just massive change from a 551 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: minor turn of the screw. And if you get those 552 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: guys playing well, you could see massive change I think 553 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: the thing that's hard to emphasize in mini camp because 554 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: there's no pads. It's sort of hard to talk overall 555 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: defense because he got like Miles Jack and in a 556 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: mini camp doesn't really get noticed that much because he's 557 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: a middle linebacker. He's not hitting anybody. When Urban came 558 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: in and has talked all off season about the players 559 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: still here, the reality is for this defense and the 560 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: three keys to me are Josh Allen, Miles Jack, and 561 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: not c J. Henderson. These are top five, top ten 562 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: level players c J. Henderson. If you go in the 563 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: top ten as a cornerback, you're supposed to be locked down. 564 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: It's only four spots below Jaalen, So I mean this 565 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: is premium position for that position. Josh Allen when he 566 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: was drafted may have been the best player in the draft. 567 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: Some thought he slipped. He's elite. Miles Jack is elite. 568 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: One player on each level of the defense. That's why 569 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: when they look at this roster they think, hey, you know, 570 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: this is not that far away. We had some pieces 571 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: around it. They can be good defensively if they maximize 572 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: those guys well. And and then just just to tag 573 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: onto that there are a couple of guys I mentioned 574 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: Von Hamilton's right, who played well last year before he 575 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: got hurt. He was really on the rise. Leon Jacobs 576 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: is moving inside in this three four scheme. You know 577 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: he's going to play a different position than he played before. 578 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: You know, I him a couple of weeks ago, and 579 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: he looks fantastic and really likes what they're asking him 580 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: to do. You've got some players around here that people 581 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: aren't thinking about. They're not high on the radar um. 582 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: But guys who are in the right scheme with Joe 583 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: Colin and what Coach Meyer is asking them, could come 584 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: back playing next to Miles Jack, playing next to Josh 585 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: Allen and and really impacted. The defense isn't as far 586 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: off if those guys are really playing well, not agreeing more, 587 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: lots of potential going on here. All right, get out 588 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: of here. It's summerberation. Thanks for tuning in to Jaguars 589 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: Reporters podcast. Subscribe like you will be back in a 590 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: doubts a month or so, yeah or so six hit. 591 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: It's summer