WEBVTT - The Unsolved Indiana Dunes Disappearances 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:03.360 Hello everyone in podcast land. If you have ever wanted 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:06.360 to see us on stage telling jokes and slinging facts, 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:09.200 and you live out west, you can come see us 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:13.080 in Portland, Oregon or Vancouver, Canada. Yep. We'll be at 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:16.079 the Chance Center in Vancouver on Sunday, March twenty nine, 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:18.520 and then we'll be at the Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:22.680 in Portland on March And if you want tickets and info, 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:24.880 then the best thing you can do right now is 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:28.680 to go do s y s K live dot com. 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:31.000 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of I 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:40.000 Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:43.000 I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, there's Josh 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:47.040 T guest producing a way over there. Uh. And that 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:53.880 makes this Stuff you Should Know super duper mysterious mystery edition. 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:59.000 That's right, This is a super mysterious one. Super duper 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:01.400 you could say this a good one. I never heard 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:03.600 of it. I hadn't either, man, Babe. We should have 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:08.319 a spin off show just about mysteries and missing persons. 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:12.120 I've long thought that, Yeah, but then everyone's like, just 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:13.880 put him on Stuff you Should Know. Yeah, every once 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:17.759 in awhile you gonna spin it out right? Spin it off? 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:23.039 The Cleveland Show? Oh man, I never watched that was 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:25.920 a good I never watched it either. You weren't a 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:27.880 Family Guy fan, that were you? I mean it's fine, 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:30.720 but no, I wasn't a fan. Yeah, um, all right? 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:33.520 What about Laverne and Shirley? What is this Laverne and 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:37.520 Shirley spin off from Happy Days? Right? That's right, just right, 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:42.440 let's do this and Mindy spun off too? Uh? What 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:46.520 is this? Too Close for Comfort? Was that has been off? 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:51.120 You got this man? Too close for comfort? He wasn't. No, 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:55.280 I don't know what was it? Oh no, I'm sorry. 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:57.320 I was about to say, I don't think that's right. 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:02.360 What what is this? The ropers? Oh? Well, sure company? Okay? 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:07.080 What is this after match? Right? I thought? Um? I 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:09.919 thought Too Close for Comfort was a spin off? I 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:12.480 think it might be. Well, my first guess was it 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:16.560 was might have been Ted Nights character from the Mary 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:19.880 Tyler Moore Show. But that's not true because and too 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.960 Close for Comfort he was a cartoonist, that's right. Remember, 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:25.239 And the only thing I remember well, I remember a 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.080 lot about that show because I loved it I was 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:30.760 in love with those daughters. Man, I don't remember them. 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:32.600 I mean, that was the whole setup, is that their 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:35.320 daughters lived in the same house or next door or 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:38.760 something cause trouble. Uh yeah, you know. They were just 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.919 a couple of hell raisers, hell raising beauties. And uh 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.480 who was the guy that was so great? I think 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:48.000 you're talking about Charles in Charge now I'm thinking it 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:50.240 too Close for Comfort? But he was a cartoonist and 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:54.520 he would wear college sweatshirts as part of his character. 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.280 And he wore a Georgia bulldog sweatshirt one time, and 0:02:57.320 --> 0:02:59.240 I was I thought it was the coolest thing ever. 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:01.600 It's like, how did they know that? That's the thing? 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:04.240 All right? You're like, I'm basically on TV right now. 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:13.000 Oh man, that was him, the Monroe character, j Ted Knight, Yeah, no, 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:16.400 Ted Knight was the lead, the main guy, Jim J. 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:21.200 Bullock Man, what was he? Hollywood Squares? Among other things 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.880 like too close for Comfort? Does uh? Does this kind 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:27.680 as a tangent if we haven't actually gotten started. This 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:31.840 is a preamble, okay preamble? Yeah, yeah, this is a 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:35.360 good one. And you put this together, Um, where'd you 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:38.560 get most of the stuff, wrote it myself. Well, there's 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:40.280 one part that I was like, here, this is just 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:44.400 easier if I copy and paste from a Chicago Tribune article. 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:48.160 From that one, it's very good, there's That's one of 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.080 the things about this case is anyone who kind of 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.760 gets involved in this, we'll see there is not a 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.960 lot of information out there. Yeah, and funny enough, one 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.400 of the biggest mysteries of this whole thing is what 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.560 kind of boat that was, which we'll get to. That 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:04.720 was my bad. Well, no, man, I saw in a 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.560 couple of other articles it called this boat a try Moran, 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:12.000 which is very much a catamaran. Right, they made the 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:16.680 same the same they were just okay, yeah, because the 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:18.920 same thing. So try Hold. I was like, oh, it's 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.800 a try cat, which is a sailboat, and that's what 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:24.920 I thought it was. No, there's a try Hold speedboat 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.640 called the Runabout that was kind of big in the sixties. Well, 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.520 more specifically, it's a try Hold run about. A runabout 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:34.800 doesn't necessarily mean it has three holes. But those are 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:36.719 my favorite boats in the world. Are these fifties and 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:40.600 sixties fiberglass runabouts. This is their amazing fifties and sixties 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:45.200 run about of all time with three holes. He thought 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:52.800 one was crazy, just get ready for three. So yeah, 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:55.520 the boat will come up and I had to mark 0:04:55.560 --> 0:05:01.680 out try cat and just about. I'm very sorry. So 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:06.360 what we're talking about here finally now is the disappearance 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:11.760 of three young women, uh in suburban Chicago and the 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:16.640 mid nineteen sixties at Indiana Dunes State Park on Lake Michigan. Yeah. 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:20.799 Now it's Indiana Dunes National Seashore, National Lakes Shore, National 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:22.800 Lake Shore. Um, but at the time it was a 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:27.159 state park. And this is Saturday, July two, nineteen sixty six, 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:29.960 that's right, the three women. That was a twenty one 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:35.000 year old named Patricia Blow. Yeah, I think so. Um. 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:40.240 She went. She got in her car, which was eleven 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.760 year old at this point, Buick Sedan ninety five. Buick 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.000 went to pick up her friends and Miller at her house. 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:50.040 She lived with her folks, and then to her other friend, 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:53.159 Renee Brule, who was the only one who was married. 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:56.240 I went to pick her up at her house. They 0:05:56.240 --> 0:06:00.120 were nineteen and twenty and they were like at think 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:05.000 one of the most twenty two at least. But those 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:08.760 are nippicky details. They were all late teens early twenties. 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:12.520 And wait a minute, did you just call me nipicky? No? No, 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.839 no, no no, I think you did. Okay, Um and just 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:19.240 called me a liar on National TV. I think you 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:24.159 and and Patricia were friends. They were horse riders, and 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:27.200 they were friends from these horse stables. But they were 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:30.159 all three buddies. Not since grade school, but for the 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.400 last couple of years. It seems like right, yeah, and 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:34.920 um they all lived around Chicago, and that's where they 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:38.520 were traveling about sixty miles eighty miles I've seen both 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:41.560 to Indiana Dune State Park to just basically go hang 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.520 out on the on the beach that day again Saturday. 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:48.359 It was the July four weekend. Yeah, super crowded. They 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:50.280 were just going to the beach to have some fun. 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.800 Most people think, um, they got to the beach by 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:57.440 ten am, parked the buick, hiked over the dunes on 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:01.320 the kind of rickety boardwalk over to beach, and set 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.880 up camp. I think about a hundred yards from shore. 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.360 That's a pretty substantial beach. Either they are they hiked 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:10.240 a hundred yards and set up near the beach. It 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:12.800 might be the ladder of the two that sounds more right. 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.960 And on this weekend again because it was July fourth weekend, 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:19.640 the beach was just absolutely packed. This is Lake Michigan, 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:22.440 which is a pretty pretty big lake, and this beach 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.160 itself for this park itself and things like twenty six 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:27.640 miles of shoreline or something like that. But even still 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:30.800 there's like nine thousand people on the beach that weekend. Yeah. 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.840 I saw nine to ten thousand people, four to five 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:37.320 thousand cars in the parking lots, and four to six 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:40.520 thousand boats in the water. So packed, just packed. It's 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:44.120 like Jaws or something up in there, Amity Island, fourth 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:49.840 of July. Um, so the the the renee and and 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:54.120 Patty set up shop, put down their beach blanket. Uh, 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:57.760 just kind of close by to this teenage couple, um, 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:00.200 who are like their beach neighbors. You know, there's and 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:04.920 everyone was pretty close, kind of elbowed to jowl and 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:09.840 that what that's called. Okay, um, and this this teenage 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:12.320 couple kind of factor in big time, but just kind 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:18.080 of note their presence for now. That's right, So about noon, chuck, um, well, 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:22.280 actually the teenage couple factor and now they noticed that, um, 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.680 the three women were wading into the water about noon, 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:27.280 so I guess for about two hours they were just 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:28.960 kind of hanging out in the sun. They got hot 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:32.559 enough to go into the water about noon, that's right. 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:37.480 And that was the last time that this couple saw them. 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:42.959 Maybe perhaps Um the day went on, they never came back. 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:47.960 This teenage couple said that their stuff still lay in here. Um, 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:50.439 you know, they may be off party in somewhere, so 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:53.840 you know, they didn't think like, these three young ladies 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:57.360 are missing and perhaps murdered. I think they were worried 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.440 that their stuff might get stolen. I think it was 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.200 his innocent that the teenage couple. They were about to leave, 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:03.760 and they didn't want to just leave it there. They 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.680 felt kind of somehow responsible for it, like you will, yeah, 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:09.160 which is what you did in ninety six or today 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.160 still if you're a decent person, that's right. So they 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.200 went to a ranger and they said, hey, these uh 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:17.520 young women were here. They left their stuff. Um. The 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:19.760 ranger thought the same thing. He's like, well, let me 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.280 just take care of this stuff and collect it, uh, 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.240 and so it doesn't get stolen. They're probably off partying. 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.640 But that was the last that anyone saw these three 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:33.080 young women. Um, No one to this day knows what happened. 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:36.800 They vanished literally without a trace. Yeah, there's never been 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:42.360 any evidence of what happened to them, No trace of them, no, nothing, nothing. 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:45.080 From that point on, I think we should take an 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:50.280 earlier break because of that dumb long preamble. And this 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:53.240 is a great little spot for a cliffhanger. Okay, so 0:09:53.280 --> 0:10:23.319 we'll be right back, okay, Chuck so Um. About eighteen 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:27.199 hours after that park ranger collected their things that I'd say, 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:30.960 around dusk, um, a call came into Indiana Doune State 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:35.600 Park Ranger station and it was from Harold blah Um 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:39.439 or Blow, Patty's father, and he wanted to know if 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:42.640 the rangers had seen his daughter because she had been 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:47.000 reported missing by her family back in Chicago, like you know, 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:51.280 a few hours before. Yeah. So they went through her stuff, 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.559 the rangers did. They found a set of car keys 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:58.120 that um had a little um miniature Illinois license plate 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:02.240 that matched a license play in the parking lot. Either 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.480 a great coincidence or you could get those custom made 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:08.400 at some little beach shop, which is probably what happened. 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.240 So they find her car. They found her Buick there 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:15.440 in the parking lot. Indiana State Police say, we're going 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:18.679 to take over here because it's pretty clear that this 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:22.079 is a missing person's case. Yeah, and so they it 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.920 was obvious that they had they had never left the park, 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:28.360 or at least they hadn't left, you know, in the car, right, 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:32.120 and they left their car, they left their stuff. That's 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.760 suddenly very highly suspicious. The idea that they were just 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:39.280 off partying is suddenly kind of a tenuous theory, you know, yeah, 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:42.320 like left all their stuff like purses and personal stuff. 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.160 We should we should talk a little bit about that. 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:48.240 They left, Yeah, money in their wallets, they left their 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:51.480 transistor radio, they left their magazines open, they left their 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:54.600 suntan lotion. They it seemed like the way they left 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:58.000 their stuff that they were planning on just getting into 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:00.960 the water and then coming back from the water. And 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:03.560 then that was that there didn't seem to be any 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:08.240 kind of um forethought to their stuff. And then the 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:10.840 fact that their car was still there and this was 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:15.400 a full day after they had last been seen, it 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.120 was suspicious. So the like, if they were going to party, 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:20.320 they would have said at least like, oh, let me 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:25.200 grab my purse. By now a night had come and gone, 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:28.439 and the next day it was already you know, halfway done, 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.480 and they there there was nothing that would be a 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:34.760 hell of a party. Yes, So um, people started to 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:36.880 get kind of worried and they started to search the 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:40.200 park and they couldn't find them anywhere. And that's when 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.240 the police became involved, when it was obvious that they 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:45.840 were no longer in this park, even though they didn't 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:49.600 seem to have left, which means they just kind of vanished. Yeah, 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:52.400 and they had a pretty big search party. Um. They 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:56.800 had soldiers volunteering from a missile base, they had obviously 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.720 the sheriff, had the Civil Air Patrol get involved. I 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:02.480 think ADDIE's dad was a see A pilot. He was 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:04.600 a colonel. He's a colonel in the Civil Air Patrol. 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:11.560 Coast Guard gets involved, dive teams, um airplanes, helicopters, sheriffs, 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:15.800 posse on horseback. Yeah, like they had people combing this area. 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.199 They went back to the nineteenth century to get people 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:22.080 to search. Uh. They searched about two d and fifty 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:25.760 cabins and the area. They had a dune buggy trolling 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:29.120 the seashore at night seeing if bodies were washing or 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:32.000 the lake shore bodies were washing ashore like it was. 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:36.280 It was a land, sea and air search of this area, 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:39.600 and it was a pretty extensive area. Um, But it 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:44.200 was a really extensive search. The big criticism that's leveled 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.720 today against the whole thing is that they're two full 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.760 days past before the search was mounted. This was ve 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:54.840 first forty eight. Anybody who's ever seen that show knows 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.960 like those are the most critical moments, are the most 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.200 critical hours and trying to solve a case we because 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.680 it gets colder and colder with every hour that passes. 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:05.880 So that was a big thing. And one of the 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.320 one of the most startling things about this case is 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:14.319 that search turned up nothing. Yeah, no evidence of what 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:17.880 happened to them at all. Yeah. The first little clue 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:22.520 that they found, um wasn't something they found while searching, 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:26.480 but inside Renee brules purse that she had left behind, 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:28.520 there was a letter that she had written to her 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:31.240 husband that was kind of like, I've had it with you. 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.320 All you do is work on your hot rods and 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:37.680 party with your friends, and I'm kind of done, hinting 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.600 that she wanted to leave the marriage. The cop you know, 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.200 obviously that's going to be a suspicious kind of thing 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:46.240 to find, say, go talk to the husband, and they 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.920 interviewed the husband and the family and everyone seemed to agree, like, hey, 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:53.080 things aren't perfect, but she probably wrote that letter when 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:56.400 she was really upset. She didn't give it to me. Um, 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:58.320 you know, I might work in my hot rods a 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:00.920 little too much, but I didn't kill my wife, and 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:04.480 our marriages is fine overall. And her then the cops 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:06.880 believed it her face well, her family backed that up 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:10.240 to everyone, we don't have marital troubles. This seems like 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:12.920 something Renee would have done, and then just forgotten she 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:16.920 even had the note. So the cups cleared her husband 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:21.040 of being involved in any wrongdoing. But it raised a 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:24.080 longstanding theory that's still around today that we'll talk about 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:27.640 theories later that um, possibly Renee ran off, and if 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:29.920 Renee ran off to kind of start a new life 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.760 or whatever, maybe the other women had to maybe maybe. 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:36.920 So another interesting thing they learned, uh Ann Miller was 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:41.400 by all accounts about three months pregnant and had talked 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:44.880 to her friends by some accounts not all Yeah, like 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.400 like her closest friends had had said she said she 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:50.280 was pregnant, right, But I don't think they had like 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:54.680 physical evidence of like a pregnancy test, right right. So um, 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:56.680 they said that she had friends said that she had 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:01.480 talked about having to go live in a home unwed mothers. 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:04.360 She was sort of up against the wall with this. Obviously, 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.960 in the mid sixties it was not a great thing 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:13.560 to be an unwed mother. Um. And it possibly we 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.040 don't know this either for sure, but she was dating 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:18.880 a married man and it could have been his baby, 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:22.160 which would have been problematic as well. Right, another good 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:25.960 reason to r U N N O f T. That's right, 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:28.160 I think. So now two of them have a motive 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:31.000 to to run off and start a new life. Yeah. 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.680 And we should also mention too that Patty was also 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:39.520 dating a married man supposedly. Um, and they both were 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:42.760 buddies from this horse stable. And it turns out there 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:47.000 was a real scumbag. I looked into this guy more 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:52.680 Silas Jane he Uh was a rapist. He was linked 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:54.800 to the murder of three boys. He was linked to 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:58.720 the murder of to the Grime sisters. He was looked 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:02.120 into for the disappearing and of some heiress in Chicago. 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.040 He had a hit put out on his brother. He 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:07.919 had a fire bomb planet and in this other woman's car, Like, 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:11.080 this is a bad, bad dude. And he had an 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:14.639 affiliation with this horse stable. Yeah, he his brother I 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:18.959 believe owned the horse stable and Si was like the 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:23.200 organized crime boss running the the criminal ring out of 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:26.119 the horse stable. And this was the stable that Anne 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:29.480 and Patty rode their horses at. I think Anne was 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.040 actually she had a job as a horse exerciser at 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:35.560 these stables. So they were like really involved in like 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:42.760 just rubbing elbows with these this organized crime ring. Um. 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:44.600 And so cops were like, well, wait a minute, this 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:49.120 is this is kind of huge, like you know, there's 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:51.639 as far as looking into their backgrounds, this was the 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:54.840 biggest red flag the cops had turned up that they 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.439 were they were known, not not that they were like 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:00.680 criminals themselves, but just that they were like they came 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:04.560 in close contact with a really dangerous, violent criminal and 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.280 his gang. Yeah. And one of the later theories was 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:11.399 that they witnessed the the rigging of the firebomb on 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:14.880 this car of this woman and you know they had 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.439 to be taken care of, but we'll get to the 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:23.399 theories later. Sure. So um, as they as they start, 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:27.160 these were like the leads that the investigation turned up. 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:30.600 But the cops also very wisely involved the media pretty 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:34.240 early on, and um, so other leads started to come in, 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:37.200 and you know, there's the usual like I saw him 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:39.960 in Pontiac, Michigan getting off of a bus, or they 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:42.520 were all in my drug store alive and well, you 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:46.080 know last week, um, even though they've been missing for 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:48.680 three weeks, that kind of thing. But there were some 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:51.400 solid leads that came in and one of the big 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.680 ones was a call from a couple from Indianapolis who 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:57.960 had been on the beach that day. And I think 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:01.080 this is the problem with this. There's so little writing 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:03.800 about this that you kind of have to piece together. 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:07.760 I'm pretty sure that this is the same teenage couple 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:11.840 that were their beach neighbors. I'm pretty sure they said 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:13.840 that they saw them go into the water at noon, 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:16.920 and while they were hanging out in the water, a 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:20.560 man probably in his early twenties with dark wavy hair 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:24.800 well tanned, came up in a try hold run about 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:28.160 ski boat, which is just stop and look up try 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:32.320 hole run about nineteen sixties and some will come up. 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:35.160 They're really cool looking like it looks like the boat 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:38.520 that Frank Sinatra would drive around on a lake. Um, 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:40.320 and it's the kind of lake that you would if 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:43.399 you were like an early twenties guy, pick up like 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:46.040 girls at the lake in it's just like a fun, cool, 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:49.879 zippy boat. Yes. And side note, if you are turned 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:53.000 on by those boats like I am, you can find 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:56.120 these things and buy them for like, yes, these old 0:19:56.119 --> 0:20:00.520 fiberglass boats and engage in mecaphilia. You can't. You can't 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:04.600 buy the old wooden boats. You can, but not for bucks. 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:07.840 Those are really expensive. But the fiberglass ones you can 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:09.879 get for fairly cheap. Yeah. Well that's what this guy 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:13.720 is supposed to like restored and you know it's pretty cool. 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:15.760 Yeah are you gonna Are you saying that this is 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.959 what you're gonna do now? Uh No, I'm not saying that, 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:21.040 but I'm just I've looked into it because they're just 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:24.080 so like stylish and cool and they had like this 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:27.359 one was turquoise interior. They all have those, like the 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:31.960 sixties sort of colors and diamond dusted upholstery. Yeah. Yeah, 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:34.679 they're pretty sweet. Yeah. So yeah, this is a white 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:39.760 try hole runabout with turquoise interior and um that this 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:43.600 couple from Indianapolis who called in later said that they 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:47.760 saw the three women get on the boat with this 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:52.520 guy and drive off. Yeah, so that's a big one. Huge. 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:56.800 They also get another report from witnesses who said these 0:20:56.840 --> 0:21:00.200 girls came back at some point, got something to eat, eat, 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:03.159 and we're hanging out on the beach. And then a 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:06.200 third lead that came in and said they actually got 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:10.439 on another boat, this big cabin cruiser. Uh. And this 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:13.359 was about three pm with three dudes and the boat 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:15.040 didn't have a name on it that we could discern. 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:19.040 So in that first week they get some boat wreckage. Uh. 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:22.800 It washes a shore, some styrofoams, some seats, an oil 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:27.159 can looked probably like a busted or wrecked boat. But 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:29.280 the police said, didn't listen, We've got two boats were 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:33.480 targeting here, and none of the stuff from this wreckage 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:36.760 or potential wreckage is from those boats. Yeah, they didn't. 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:40.440 They didn't think so at least. Yeah right, so, um, 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:43.359 but the weird thing about that boat wreckage is that 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:47.160 no boat was reported wreck that weekend on Lake Michigan, 0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:50.560 certainly not in the area around Indiana Doune State Park. 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:53.960 That's a big one. And then Secondly, like you said, 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:56.320 it doesn't seem to match any any of the boats 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:59.120 that they were looking for. So if you step back 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:02.720 and take these leads all together, a timeline, a possible 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:07.760 timeline emerges where Um, Patty and and Renee waited out 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:11.240 into the water around noon, go on like a little 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:15.760 pleasure cruise on the little try hole, runabout uh shortly after, 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:19.840 come back to shore, go get something to eat, hang out, 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:22.520 and then at three go out in another boat, a 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:25.920 bigger boat which is possibly also manned by the same 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:28.720 guy who is in the try hall about with a 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:31.520 couple of his friends. And that boat definitely had the 0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:34.640 name sanded off of it, which was a huge red flag. Exactly. 0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:39.359 It's very fishy. They found sandpaper and red paint on 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:42.399 the beach that had been sanded off. So the cabin 0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:47.119 cruiser seems to have been largely disincluded from suspicion by 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:50.440 the cops because from what I saw, the cops talk 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:53.480 to some guys, three guys in a cabin cruiser who 0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:57.199 were there that day, who said we Um tried to 0:22:57.200 --> 0:22:59.520 pick up some girls and they wouldn't go. One of 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:01.399 them said, I'm married, I can't go, and none of 0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:04.600 them did could have been them maybe. Um. The other 0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:07.480 thing that really kind of seemed to have dis included 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:10.760 the cabin cruiser was that someone was actually filming this 0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:13.520 nineteen sixty six. They were filming home movies on the 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:16.800 beach that day. Yeah, that was inevitable, I think you 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:20.560 think so. Yeah, sure, I found it astounding. Really No, man, 0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:24.720