1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Hello everyone in podcast land. If you have ever wanted 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: to see us on stage telling jokes and slinging facts, 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: and you live out west, you can come see us 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: in Portland, Oregon or Vancouver, Canada. Yep. We'll be at 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: the Chance Center in Vancouver on Sunday, March twenty nine, 6 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: and then we'll be at the Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall 7 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: in Portland on March And if you want tickets and info, 8 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: then the best thing you can do right now is 9 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: to go do s y s K live dot com. 10 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of I 11 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 12 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, there's Josh 13 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: T guest producing a way over there. Uh. And that 14 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: makes this Stuff you Should Know super duper mysterious mystery edition. 15 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: That's right, This is a super mysterious one. Super duper 16 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: you could say this a good one. I never heard 17 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: of it. I hadn't either, man, Babe. We should have 18 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: a spin off show just about mysteries and missing persons. 19 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: I've long thought that, Yeah, but then everyone's like, just 20 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: put him on Stuff you Should Know. Yeah, every once 21 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: in awhile you gonna spin it out right? Spin it off? 22 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: The Cleveland Show? Oh man, I never watched that was 23 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: a good I never watched it either. You weren't a 24 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: Family Guy fan, that were you? I mean it's fine, 25 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: but no, I wasn't a fan. Yeah, um, all right? 26 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: What about Laverne and Shirley? What is this Laverne and 27 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: Shirley spin off from Happy Days? Right? That's right, just right, 28 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: let's do this and Mindy spun off too? Uh? What 29 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: is this? Too Close for Comfort? Was that has been off? 30 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: You got this man? Too close for comfort? He wasn't. No, 31 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: I don't know what was it? Oh no, I'm sorry. 32 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: I was about to say, I don't think that's right. 33 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: What what is this? The ropers? Oh? Well, sure company? Okay? 34 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: What is this after match? Right? I thought? Um? I 35 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: thought Too Close for Comfort was a spin off? I 36 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: think it might be. Well, my first guess was it 37 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: was might have been Ted Nights character from the Mary 38 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: Tyler Moore Show. But that's not true because and too 39 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: Close for Comfort he was a cartoonist, that's right. Remember, 40 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: And the only thing I remember well, I remember a 41 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: lot about that show because I loved it I was 42 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: in love with those daughters. Man, I don't remember them. 43 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: I mean, that was the whole setup, is that their 44 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: daughters lived in the same house or next door or 45 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: something cause trouble. Uh yeah, you know. They were just 46 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: a couple of hell raisers, hell raising beauties. And uh 47 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: who was the guy that was so great? I think 48 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: you're talking about Charles in Charge now I'm thinking it 49 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: too Close for Comfort? But he was a cartoonist and 50 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: he would wear college sweatshirts as part of his character. 51 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: And he wore a Georgia bulldog sweatshirt one time, and 52 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: I was I thought it was the coolest thing ever. 53 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: It's like, how did they know that? That's the thing? 54 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: All right? You're like, I'm basically on TV right now. 55 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: Oh man, that was him, the Monroe character, j Ted Knight, Yeah, no, 56 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: Ted Knight was the lead, the main guy, Jim J. 57 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: Bullock Man, what was he? Hollywood Squares? Among other things 58 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: like too close for Comfort? Does uh? Does this kind 59 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: as a tangent if we haven't actually gotten started. This 60 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: is a preamble, okay preamble? Yeah, yeah, this is a 61 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: good one. And you put this together, Um, where'd you 62 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: get most of the stuff, wrote it myself. Well, there's 63 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: one part that I was like, here, this is just 64 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: easier if I copy and paste from a Chicago Tribune article. 65 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: From that one, it's very good, there's That's one of 66 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: the things about this case is anyone who kind of 67 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: gets involved in this, we'll see there is not a 68 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: lot of information out there. Yeah, and funny enough, one 69 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: of the biggest mysteries of this whole thing is what 70 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: kind of boat that was, which we'll get to. That 71 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: was my bad. Well, no, man, I saw in a 72 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: couple of other articles it called this boat a try Moran, 73 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: which is very much a catamaran. Right, they made the 74 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: same the same they were just okay, yeah, because the 75 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: same thing. So try Hold. I was like, oh, it's 76 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: a try cat, which is a sailboat, and that's what 77 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: I thought it was. No, there's a try Hold speedboat 78 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: called the Runabout that was kind of big in the sixties. Well, 79 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: more specifically, it's a try Hold run about. A runabout 80 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean it has three holes. But those are 81 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: my favorite boats in the world. Are these fifties and 82 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: sixties fiberglass runabouts. This is their amazing fifties and sixties 83 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: run about of all time with three holes. He thought 84 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: one was crazy, just get ready for three. So yeah, 85 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: the boat will come up and I had to mark 86 00:04:55,560 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: out try cat and just about. I'm very sorry. So 87 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: what we're talking about here finally now is the disappearance 88 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: of three young women, uh in suburban Chicago and the 89 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: mid nineteen sixties at Indiana Dunes State Park on Lake Michigan. Yeah. 90 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,799 Speaker 1: Now it's Indiana Dunes National Seashore, National Lakes Shore, National 91 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: Lake Shore. Um, but at the time it was a 92 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: state park. And this is Saturday, July two, nineteen sixty six, 93 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: that's right, the three women. That was a twenty one 94 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: year old named Patricia Blow. Yeah, I think so. Um. 95 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: She went. She got in her car, which was eleven 96 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: year old at this point, Buick Sedan ninety five. Buick 97 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: went to pick up her friends and Miller at her house. 98 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: She lived with her folks, and then to her other friend, 99 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: Renee Brule, who was the only one who was married. 100 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: I went to pick her up at her house. They 101 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: were nineteen and twenty and they were like at think 102 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: one of the most twenty two at least. But those 103 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: are nippicky details. They were all late teens early twenties. 104 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: And wait a minute, did you just call me nipicky? No? No, 105 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: no, no no, I think you did. Okay, Um and just 106 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: called me a liar on National TV. I think you 107 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: and and Patricia were friends. They were horse riders, and 108 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: they were friends from these horse stables. But they were 109 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: all three buddies. Not since grade school, but for the 110 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: last couple of years. It seems like right, yeah, and 111 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: um they all lived around Chicago, and that's where they 112 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: were traveling about sixty miles eighty miles I've seen both 113 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: to Indiana Dune State Park to just basically go hang 114 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: out on the on the beach that day again Saturday. 115 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 1: It was the July four weekend. Yeah, super crowded. They 116 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: were just going to the beach to have some fun. 117 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: Most people think, um, they got to the beach by 118 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: ten am, parked the buick, hiked over the dunes on 119 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: the kind of rickety boardwalk over to beach, and set 120 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: up camp. I think about a hundred yards from shore. 121 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: That's a pretty substantial beach. Either they are they hiked 122 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: a hundred yards and set up near the beach. It 123 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: might be the ladder of the two that sounds more right. 124 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: And on this weekend again because it was July fourth weekend, 125 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: the beach was just absolutely packed. This is Lake Michigan, 126 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: which is a pretty pretty big lake, and this beach 127 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: itself for this park itself and things like twenty six 128 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: miles of shoreline or something like that. But even still 129 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: there's like nine thousand people on the beach that weekend. Yeah. 130 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: I saw nine to ten thousand people, four to five 131 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: thousand cars in the parking lots, and four to six 132 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: thousand boats in the water. So packed, just packed. It's 133 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: like Jaws or something up in there, Amity Island, fourth 134 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: of July. Um, so the the the renee and and 135 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: Patty set up shop, put down their beach blanket. Uh, 136 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: just kind of close by to this teenage couple, um, 137 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: who are like their beach neighbors. You know, there's and 138 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: everyone was pretty close, kind of elbowed to jowl and 139 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: that what that's called. Okay, um, and this this teenage 140 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: couple kind of factor in big time, but just kind 141 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: of note their presence for now. That's right, So about noon, chuck, um, well, 142 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: actually the teenage couple factor and now they noticed that, um, 143 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: the three women were wading into the water about noon, 144 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: so I guess for about two hours they were just 145 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: kind of hanging out in the sun. They got hot 146 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 1: enough to go into the water about noon, that's right. 147 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: And that was the last time that this couple saw them. 148 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 1: Maybe perhaps Um the day went on, they never came back. 149 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: This teenage couple said that their stuff still lay in here. Um, 150 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,439 Speaker 1: you know, they may be off party in somewhere, so 151 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: you know, they didn't think like, these three young ladies 152 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: are missing and perhaps murdered. I think they were worried 153 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: that their stuff might get stolen. I think it was 154 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: his innocent that the teenage couple. They were about to leave, 155 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: and they didn't want to just leave it there. They 156 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: felt kind of somehow responsible for it, like you will, yeah, 157 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: which is what you did in ninety six or today 158 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: still if you're a decent person, that's right. So they 159 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: went to a ranger and they said, hey, these uh 160 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: young women were here. They left their stuff. Um. The 161 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: ranger thought the same thing. He's like, well, let me 162 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: just take care of this stuff and collect it, uh, 163 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: and so it doesn't get stolen. They're probably off partying. 164 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: But that was the last that anyone saw these three 165 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: young women. Um, No one to this day knows what happened. 166 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: They vanished literally without a trace. Yeah, there's never been 167 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: any evidence of what happened to them, No trace of them, no, nothing, nothing. 168 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: From that point on, I think we should take an 169 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: earlier break because of that dumb long preamble. And this 170 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: is a great little spot for a cliffhanger. Okay, so 171 00:09:53,280 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 1: we'll be right back, okay, Chuck so Um. About eighteen 172 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: hours after that park ranger collected their things that I'd say, 173 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: around dusk, um, a call came into Indiana Doune State 174 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: Park Ranger station and it was from Harold blah Um 175 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 1: or Blow, Patty's father, and he wanted to know if 176 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: the rangers had seen his daughter because she had been 177 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: reported missing by her family back in Chicago, like you know, 178 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: a few hours before. Yeah. So they went through her stuff, 179 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 1: the rangers did. They found a set of car keys 180 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: that um had a little um miniature Illinois license plate 181 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: that matched a license play in the parking lot. Either 182 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: a great coincidence or you could get those custom made 183 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: at some little beach shop, which is probably what happened. 184 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: So they find her car. They found her Buick there 185 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: in the parking lot. Indiana State Police say, we're going 186 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: to take over here because it's pretty clear that this 187 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 1: is a missing person's case. Yeah, and so they it 188 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: was obvious that they had they had never left the park, 189 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: or at least they hadn't left, you know, in the car, right, 190 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: and they left their car, they left their stuff. That's 191 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: suddenly very highly suspicious. The idea that they were just 192 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: off partying is suddenly kind of a tenuous theory, you know, yeah, 193 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: like left all their stuff like purses and personal stuff. 194 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: We should we should talk a little bit about that. 195 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: They left, Yeah, money in their wallets, they left their 196 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: transistor radio, they left their magazines open, they left their 197 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: suntan lotion. They it seemed like the way they left 198 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: their stuff that they were planning on just getting into 199 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: the water and then coming back from the water. And 200 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: then that was that there didn't seem to be any 201 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: kind of um forethought to their stuff. And then the 202 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: fact that their car was still there and this was 203 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: a full day after they had last been seen, it 204 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: was suspicious. So the like, if they were going to party, 205 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: they would have said at least like, oh, let me 206 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: grab my purse. By now a night had come and gone, 207 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: and the next day it was already you know, halfway done, 208 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: and they there there was nothing that would be a 209 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: hell of a party. Yes, So um, people started to 210 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: get kind of worried and they started to search the 211 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: park and they couldn't find them anywhere. And that's when 212 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: the police became involved, when it was obvious that they 213 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: were no longer in this park, even though they didn't 214 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: seem to have left, which means they just kind of vanished. Yeah, 215 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: and they had a pretty big search party. Um. They 216 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: had soldiers volunteering from a missile base, they had obviously 217 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: the sheriff, had the Civil Air Patrol get involved. I 218 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: think ADDIE's dad was a see A pilot. He was 219 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: a colonel. He's a colonel in the Civil Air Patrol. 220 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: Coast Guard gets involved, dive teams, um airplanes, helicopters, sheriffs, 221 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: posse on horseback. Yeah, like they had people combing this area. 222 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: They went back to the nineteenth century to get people 223 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: to search. Uh. They searched about two d and fifty 224 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: cabins and the area. They had a dune buggy trolling 225 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: the seashore at night seeing if bodies were washing or 226 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: the lake shore bodies were washing ashore like it was. 227 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: It was a land, sea and air search of this area, 228 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: and it was a pretty extensive area. Um, But it 229 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: was a really extensive search. The big criticism that's leveled 230 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: today against the whole thing is that they're two full 231 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: days past before the search was mounted. This was ve 232 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: first forty eight. Anybody who's ever seen that show knows 233 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: like those are the most critical moments, are the most 234 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: critical hours and trying to solve a case we because 235 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: it gets colder and colder with every hour that passes. 236 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: So that was a big thing. And one of the 237 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: one of the most startling things about this case is 238 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 1: that search turned up nothing. Yeah, no evidence of what 239 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: happened to them at all. Yeah. The first little clue 240 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: that they found, um wasn't something they found while searching, 241 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: but inside Renee brules purse that she had left behind, 242 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: there was a letter that she had written to her 243 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: husband that was kind of like, I've had it with you. 244 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: All you do is work on your hot rods and 245 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: party with your friends, and I'm kind of done, hinting 246 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: that she wanted to leave the marriage. The cop you know, 247 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: obviously that's going to be a suspicious kind of thing 248 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: to find, say, go talk to the husband, and they 249 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: interviewed the husband and the family and everyone seemed to agree, like, hey, 250 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: things aren't perfect, but she probably wrote that letter when 251 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: she was really upset. She didn't give it to me. Um, 252 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: you know, I might work in my hot rods a 253 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: little too much, but I didn't kill my wife, and 254 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: our marriages is fine overall. And her then the cops 255 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: believed it her face well, her family backed that up 256 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: to everyone, we don't have marital troubles. This seems like 257 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: something Renee would have done, and then just forgotten she 258 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: even had the note. So the cups cleared her husband 259 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: of being involved in any wrongdoing. But it raised a 260 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: longstanding theory that's still around today that we'll talk about 261 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: theories later that um, possibly Renee ran off, and if 262 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: Renee ran off to kind of start a new life 263 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: or whatever, maybe the other women had to maybe maybe. 264 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: So another interesting thing they learned, uh Ann Miller was 265 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: by all accounts about three months pregnant and had talked 266 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: to her friends by some accounts not all Yeah, like 267 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: like her closest friends had had said she said she 268 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: was pregnant, right, But I don't think they had like 269 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: physical evidence of like a pregnancy test, right right. So um, 270 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: they said that she had friends said that she had 271 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: talked about having to go live in a home unwed mothers. 272 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: She was sort of up against the wall with this. Obviously, 273 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: in the mid sixties it was not a great thing 274 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: to be an unwed mother. Um. And it possibly we 275 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: don't know this either for sure, but she was dating 276 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: a married man and it could have been his baby, 277 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: which would have been problematic as well. Right, another good 278 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: reason to r U N N O f T. That's right, 279 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: I think. So now two of them have a motive 280 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: to to run off and start a new life. Yeah. 281 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: And we should also mention too that Patty was also 282 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: dating a married man supposedly. Um, and they both were 283 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: buddies from this horse stable. And it turns out there 284 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: was a real scumbag. I looked into this guy more 285 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: Silas Jane he Uh was a rapist. He was linked 286 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: to the murder of three boys. He was linked to 287 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: the murder of to the Grime sisters. He was looked 288 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: into for the disappearing and of some heiress in Chicago. 289 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: He had a hit put out on his brother. He 290 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: had a fire bomb planet and in this other woman's car, Like, 291 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: this is a bad, bad dude. And he had an 292 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: affiliation with this horse stable. Yeah, he his brother I 293 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,959 Speaker 1: believe owned the horse stable and Si was like the 294 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: organized crime boss running the the criminal ring out of 295 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: the horse stable. And this was the stable that Anne 296 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: and Patty rode their horses at. I think Anne was 297 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: actually she had a job as a horse exerciser at 298 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: these stables. So they were like really involved in like 299 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: just rubbing elbows with these this organized crime ring. Um. 300 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: And so cops were like, well, wait a minute, this 301 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: is this is kind of huge, like you know, there's 302 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 1: as far as looking into their backgrounds, this was the 303 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: biggest red flag the cops had turned up that they 304 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 1: were they were known, not not that they were like 305 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: criminals themselves, but just that they were like they came 306 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: in close contact with a really dangerous, violent criminal and 307 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: his gang. Yeah. And one of the later theories was 308 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: that they witnessed the the rigging of the firebomb on 309 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 1: this car of this woman and you know they had 310 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: to be taken care of, but we'll get to the 311 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: theories later. Sure. So um, as they as they start, 312 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: these were like the leads that the investigation turned up. 313 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: But the cops also very wisely involved the media pretty 314 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: early on, and um, so other leads started to come in, 315 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: and you know, there's the usual like I saw him 316 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: in Pontiac, Michigan getting off of a bus, or they 317 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: were all in my drug store alive and well, you 318 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: know last week, um, even though they've been missing for 319 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: three weeks, that kind of thing. But there were some 320 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: solid leads that came in and one of the big 321 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: ones was a call from a couple from Indianapolis who 322 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: had been on the beach that day. And I think 323 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: this is the problem with this. There's so little writing 324 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: about this that you kind of have to piece together. 325 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that this is the same teenage couple 326 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: that were their beach neighbors. I'm pretty sure they said 327 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: that they saw them go into the water at noon, 328 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: and while they were hanging out in the water, a 329 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: man probably in his early twenties with dark wavy hair 330 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: well tanned, came up in a try hold run about 331 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: ski boat, which is just stop and look up try 332 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: hole run about nineteen sixties and some will come up. 333 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: They're really cool looking like it looks like the boat 334 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: that Frank Sinatra would drive around on a lake. Um, 335 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: and it's the kind of lake that you would if 336 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: you were like an early twenties guy, pick up like 337 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: girls at the lake in it's just like a fun, cool, 338 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: zippy boat. Yes. And side note, if you are turned 339 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: on by those boats like I am, you can find 340 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: these things and buy them for like, yes, these old 341 00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: fiberglass boats and engage in mecaphilia. You can't. You can't 342 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: buy the old wooden boats. You can, but not for bucks. 343 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: Those are really expensive. But the fiberglass ones you can 344 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: get for fairly cheap. Yeah. Well that's what this guy 345 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: is supposed to like restored and you know it's pretty cool. 346 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: Yeah are you gonna Are you saying that this is 347 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,959 Speaker 1: what you're gonna do now? Uh No, I'm not saying that, 348 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: but I'm just I've looked into it because they're just 349 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: so like stylish and cool and they had like this 350 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: one was turquoise interior. They all have those, like the 351 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: sixties sort of colors and diamond dusted upholstery. Yeah. Yeah, 352 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: they're pretty sweet. Yeah. So yeah, this is a white 353 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: try hole runabout with turquoise interior and um that this 354 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: couple from Indianapolis who called in later said that they 355 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: saw the three women get on the boat with this 356 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: guy and drive off. Yeah, so that's a big one. Huge. 357 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: They also get another report from witnesses who said these 358 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: girls came back at some point, got something to eat, eat, 359 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: and we're hanging out on the beach. And then a 360 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: third lead that came in and said they actually got 361 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: on another boat, this big cabin cruiser. Uh. And this 362 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: was about three pm with three dudes and the boat 363 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: didn't have a name on it that we could discern. 364 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: So in that first week they get some boat wreckage. Uh. 365 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: It washes a shore, some styrofoams, some seats, an oil 366 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: can looked probably like a busted or wrecked boat. But 367 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: the police said, didn't listen, We've got two boats were 368 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: targeting here, and none of the stuff from this wreckage 369 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: or potential wreckage is from those boats. Yeah, they didn't. 370 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: They didn't think so at least. Yeah right, so, um, 371 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: but the weird thing about that boat wreckage is that 372 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: no boat was reported wreck that weekend on Lake Michigan, 373 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: certainly not in the area around Indiana Doune State Park. 374 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: That's a big one. And then Secondly, like you said, 375 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to match any any of the boats 376 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: that they were looking for. So if you step back 377 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: and take these leads all together, a timeline, a possible 378 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: timeline emerges where Um, Patty and and Renee waited out 379 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: into the water around noon, go on like a little 380 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: pleasure cruise on the little try hole, runabout uh shortly after, 381 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: come back to shore, go get something to eat, hang out, 382 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: and then at three go out in another boat, a 383 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: bigger boat which is possibly also manned by the same 384 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: guy who is in the try hall about with a 385 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: couple of his friends. And that boat definitely had the 386 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 1: name sanded off of it, which was a huge red flag. Exactly. 387 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: It's very fishy. They found sandpaper and red paint on 388 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: the beach that had been sanded off. So the cabin 389 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: cruiser seems to have been largely disincluded from suspicion by 390 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: the cops because from what I saw, the cops talk 391 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: to some guys, three guys in a cabin cruiser who 392 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 1: were there that day, who said we Um tried to 393 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: pick up some girls and they wouldn't go. One of 394 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: them said, I'm married, I can't go, and none of 395 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: them did could have been them maybe. Um. The other 396 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: thing that really kind of seemed to have dis included 397 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: the cabin cruiser was that someone was actually filming this 398 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six. They were filming home movies on the 399 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: beach that day. Yeah, that was inevitable, I think you 400 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: think so. Yeah, sure, I found it astounding. Really No, man, 401 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: that's where all those old great color Super eight films. 402 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: I bet there were ten of those cameras on the 403 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: beach then you're probably right now, and they were. This 404 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: guy was, you know, because he was filming the day. 405 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: He was doing a lot of panning back and forth, 406 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: which was very fortuitous because it kind of proved out 407 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: some of the stuff they saw. And of course this 408 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: is old film and it wasn't like zoomed in or anything. 409 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: But they did see what looked like, uh, these three 410 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: women on this little runabout Uh, just like everyone said. 411 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: So that was like a pretty good find. Yeah, the 412 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: cabin cruiser there like, it looks like there's three women 413 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: on there and they could be similar, but maybe they don't. 414 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: So so the seemed to have zeroed in on that. 415 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: The um the three women waited out into the water 416 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: around noon the guy came up in the Tryhole run 417 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: about shortly after they got on the Tryhole runabout, and 418 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: that was the last time anyone saw them. Yeah, and 419 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: apparently too, it wouldn't have been the weirdest thing in 420 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: nineteen six, like to go off with a stranger on 421 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: his boat. They the thing I read said that dudes 422 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: are always pulling up on their boat and like, hey ladies, 423 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: you know, let's take a ride. That sounds like the 424 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: fourth of July. It's fun, it's fun. It sounds like 425 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: the seventies. Yeah, maybe or the eighties. Right, what about 426 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: the no, not the nines? Not then people were not 427 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: voting in the nineties. Um, should we take another break? 428 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: Oh sure, all right, let's take another break. We'll talk 429 00:24:47,119 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: about the further investigations, right for this So it took 430 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: one more thing about the boat that we should say 431 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: is despite having eyewitnesses, despite having film seemingly show them 432 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: in this boat, nothing ever came of it. Yeah, and 433 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: the cops even put out the word. They were like, 434 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: surely someone knows this boat or this boat owner to 435 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,959 Speaker 1: try haul turquoise interior. Not a crazy boat, but not 436 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: the most common thing in the world. Right, But they 437 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: never found it just kind of vanished along with the women. So, um, 438 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: mystery novels. That's pretty good, do you think so? Yeah? Thanks? Um. 439 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: So the weeks and months wore on, and as it did, 440 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: like there are fewer and fewer people actively looking for them. 441 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: As it happens, it just happens that way. But sadly, 442 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: Harold um blow Um kept this vigil basically for the 443 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: rest of his life. He just kept that stuff is 444 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: always just heartbreaking. Yeah. I don't know if he was 445 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: if he kept actively searching, but I know. Um. He 446 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: did some traveling even later on in life, to go 447 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 1: check out leads that he had heard about. He kept 448 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: in contact with cops and reporters who were working the case. Um, 449 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: and even afterward, after other groups stopped searching, he chartered 450 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: his own plane so that he could fly reconnaissance flights 451 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: looking for evidence all to nothing. Um. He never found 452 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: any any trace of his daughter or what happened, and 453 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: he he was convinced that all of them were dead 454 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,719 Speaker 1: or they were being held against their will, right he was. 455 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: He was like my daughter, you know, he said, we're 456 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: not overbearing parents. He's like, she's got all the freedom 457 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: in the world. Do what she wants, she wouldn't have 458 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: to run away. Um, because like we're the coolest basically. Um. 459 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: There was a psyche that got in touch. And this 460 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: is pretty interesting. A psychic said, I visualize a cabin 461 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: on Lake Michigan, not too far from the beach, blanket 462 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 1: with dark colored sand, a rickety rickety wooden stairs up 463 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: from the beach. The cabins on a bluff, and it 464 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: has a lawn chair outside with its bottom out. One 465 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: of the cops investigated, drove as far as he could drive, 466 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: then did some hiking and found a cabin that met 467 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: this exact description, right down to the chair with the 468 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: bottom rotted out. And this was nine years later. Yeah, 469 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 1: I mean, you hear stuff like that, you're like, man, 470 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: you know, I don't believe in psychics calling the cops 471 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,959 Speaker 1: with clues being super accurate. But it turns out there 472 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: was no body there because she said to dig, and 473 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: they dug for three days and found nothing. But unless 474 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: it was a prank, it was a weirdly eerily accurate description. Yeah. Yeah, 475 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: But I mean, if you have an old, abandoned cottage, 476 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: there like a fifty chances be a lawnchair with the 477 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: bottom rusted out. That's my theory. Maybe it could be coincidence. 478 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: I'm with you, though, it is pretty interesting at the 479 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: very least. So the case remains open. And again, not 480 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: a hint, not a trace, nothing has ever surfaced, metaphorically 481 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: or literally that suggests what happened to those three women, 482 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: And so theories have been allowed to to kind of 483 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,719 Speaker 1: grow and take different shape and be argued over. And 484 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: there's like, um, a handful. Most of them are fairly sensible. Actually, 485 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: some are kind of pedestrian, some are kind of sensational. 486 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: But because no evidence has ever come forward, um, the 487 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: like each one is just about as likely as the other. Yeah, 488 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: and well, um, I think we should mention before we 489 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: do that that that drowning Miller and Blou were both 490 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: really good swimmers, yeah, like super good. Yeah, and I 491 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: think that's supposed to be minutes right, surely not Miles. 492 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: I saw Miles really yeah. Let me let me look. 493 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: You do some tap dancing. That's like serious elite athlete 494 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: endurance swimming. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was Miles. I'm looking, 495 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: I'm looking. I don't want to get to nitpicky, but well, 496 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: if they were swimming thirty miles and they were international 497 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: champion athletes, so regardless, they probably did not drown. It 498 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: is possible that the boat crashed and they did drown 499 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: and washed up somewhere because you know, Lake Michigan is huge, 500 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: forty miles of shoreline. Um, it is the deadliest of 501 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: the Great Lakes. But it's uh, it's possible that they 502 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: washed up somewhere and didn't you know, weren't ever found. Yeah, 503 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: because remember that that search didn't start for two full 504 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: days after they were um noticed to be missing. Right, 505 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: So that's one of the more mundane theories. It gets 506 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: a little more sensational when you look at Wiley's theory, right. 507 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: Dick Wiley was a crime reporter who, um, basically I 508 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: guess he reported on the case almost from the outset 509 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: and really stuck with it for years and years and years, 510 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: and he developed a theory that Ann Miller being pregnant. 511 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: It was Anne who was pregnant, right, that am Miller 512 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: had gone out there with her girlfriends that day because 513 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: she was she planned on getting an illegal underground abortion. Um. 514 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: It's very not believable to me. So, yeah, a lot 515 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: of a lot of people don't believe it, but because 516 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: so little has been written about this case and this 517 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,239 Speaker 1: guy is one of the kind of authorities on it, 518 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: there's there is some credence to it. Not that she 519 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: would have gone to get an underground abortion, but that 520 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: that would be performed on a boat. That's the big, huge, 521 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: one of the huge flaws in that just seems weird. 522 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: It's what, I can't imagine a more terrible place to 523 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: perform a delicate procedure like an abortion on a house boat. 524 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: Four chan. Well that's another thing too, is okay? So 525 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: so what what Wiley's theory is is that um and 526 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: went out there to get this abortion, and UM, Patty 527 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: and Renee went there is moral support, UM and they 528 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: went out and met this guy who took them to 529 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: the house boat for the abortion to be performed. Well, 530 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: the abortion was botched, killing Ann and the abortionists said, well, 531 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: we've got to kill you two now as well, and 532 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: they got rid of all three bodies. And that's what 533 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: happened to them. That make a heck of a movie. 534 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: A lot of There are a lot of holes in 535 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: this theory, including the fact that why would you perform 536 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: an abortion on a house boat? Um? But there is 537 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: some things that kind of give it a little bit 538 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: of credence. In particular, there was a couple named the 539 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,479 Speaker 1: largos Um What what was it? I always want to 540 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: call her Wanda, but it wasn't. Was it Helen? Yeah, 541 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: it is Helen actually Um Frank and Helen Largo they 542 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: actually did have an underground abortion clinic in Um nineteen 543 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: sixty six and Gary, Indiana, which was very close to 544 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: the state park. And their nephew, Ralph bore a striking 545 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: resemblance to the description of the man in his early 546 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: twenties who came up in the the try hole runabout right. 547 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: And I think Ralph is verified as being there that 548 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: day as well so, and he lived with Frank and 549 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: Helen Largo. So the Wiley's theory that like this guy 550 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: came up and got them to take them to go 551 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: get this procedure done. Um again, why would you do 552 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: it on a houseboat when your clinic is twenty miles away? 553 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: And then secondly, why would you set up this kind 554 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,959 Speaker 1: of highly illegal procedure in front of that many witnesses? 555 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: And then thirdly, why would they leave their stuff on 556 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: the beach the way that they did if they knew 557 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: they were going for this appointment. Yeah, none. This theory 558 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: is bonkers, so we'll discard Wiley's theory. Yeah. The other one, 559 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: obviously was the uh Silas Jane, the criminal dude from 560 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: the Stables. People say that they think that they may 561 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: have witnessed the car bombing of Cheryl Lynn Rude and 562 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: that he was just getting rid of them and snuffing 563 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: them out. There is every reason to believe that this 564 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: guy would have done that looking at his history if 565 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: they did possibly witness this rigging of a car bomb. 566 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: He also had a an associate who supposedly bore a 567 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: resemblance to the man in the tri hole. Yeah, run 568 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: about tan wavy hair yea early twenties um and I 569 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: saw this and I could not verify it elsewhere. But 570 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: there's a widespread rumor that are an unsubstantiated claim that 571 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: that associate to Sigh Jane Silas Jane Um put in 572 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: an insurance claim for a boat that had gone down 573 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: around that time. Interesting, which would definitely account for things. 574 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: It would also account for why there was no boat 575 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: reported missing. You wouldn't report about missing if you used 576 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: it to cover up a triple homicide. Yeah, because that's 577 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: the biggest thing to me is, uh, if there were 578 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,720 Speaker 1: other people on this boat and it was an accident, 579 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: someone would have said, hey, my dark haired, wavy haired 580 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: son is missing and he has this boat. And there 581 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,839 Speaker 1: were no missing person from those three. Yeah. And what's more, 582 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,240 Speaker 1: even if like that guy was just a total loner 583 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: who had no friends or family, somebody would say, a 584 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,240 Speaker 1: boat like that probably would have been towed by car 585 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: and trailer, and that car and trailer would have just 586 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: been left there. Over time, somebody would have noticed that 587 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: there's this abandoned car and trailer hanging out the parking 588 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: lot at the state park. Nothing like that ever turned up. Yeah. 589 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: The other theory in regards to Silas Jane is that 590 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: these young women did witness this car bombing and knew 591 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:01,240 Speaker 1: that they needed to disappear before they were disappeared on purpose. 592 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: So this is they like faked their own disappearance. And 593 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: that's Patty blows brother's theory. Yeah. Yeah, he showed up 594 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: on a forum called Webb Sleuths and apparently he's verified. 595 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: He's like, yes, I'm her brother, and he said that 596 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: he thinks that they did go to stage the disappearance, 597 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: but that the guy who was going to help them 598 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: was actually in the employee of Silas Jane, and this 599 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: helping them disappear actually turned into this triple murder, and 600 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,959 Speaker 1: that their bodies were disposed of. That's what her brother thinks. 601 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: And that the one um who wasn't one of the stable, 602 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: uh yeah, that she was just there to help them disappear. 603 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: I don't get caught up in this. I don't know, 604 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: because like, why would she have gone out? I don't know, 605 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: I mean bad marriage, who knows. Maybe it's a little thin, 606 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: but I think it makes sense for his sister the 607 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: other two, it doesn't necessarily make as much sense for 608 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: maybe for Anne if she saw, if she was in 609 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,399 Speaker 1: danger as well. I don't know. I think the most 610 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: likely thing it's it's like the Peter is it Peter Principal? No, 611 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: the ocams razor? Is it the trolley problem Akam's razor? 612 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,760 Speaker 1: Is that they've drowned. I mean, that's possible. But here's 613 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: the thing, Like Lot in Lake Michigan's the deadliest great 614 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: lake of all of them, all five, I think it 615 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,240 Speaker 1: accounts for out of all five, it accounts for half 616 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: of the deaths in any given year. UM. But most 617 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 1: bodies do turn up. Most bodies are recovered. So if 618 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: three of them or four, or however many people were 619 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: on that boat that bow down, you'd think some trace 620 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: of at least one of them would have eventually turned up, 621 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 1: you know. Um, it's a true mystery. It's also possible 622 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: that they were taken away by somebody. They weren't planning 623 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: on disappearing, They weren't planning on leaving. Um, they just 624 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: went on a pleasure cruise with the wrong person who 625 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 1: murdered them. Um. If a guy got three women out 626 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: on a boat and got it out into the middle 627 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 1: of nowhere on this enormous lake, and then pulled a 628 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: gun on him, Um, like you could. You could one 629 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: person could conceivably stay in control of three under a 630 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: situation like that. Um. And that's that's a sadly enough, 631 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: that's a real possibility that that was their fate. They 632 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 1: just went with the wrong person. That seems unlikely to 633 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: me too, that like a serial killer just picked up 634 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: three women. Here's the thing. There's one serial killer in 635 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 1: particular that some people really like for this. His name 636 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 1: is Richard Spec. So Richard Spec is actually not a 637 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: serial killer, is a mass murderer because he killed eight 638 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,319 Speaker 1: women at a nursing college in one night, which makes 639 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: him a mass murderer, not a serial killer. He did 640 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: that on July thirteenth, nine sixty six, in Chicago. On 641 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 1: July second, nineteen sixty six, he was dropped off at 642 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: a dock about twenty miles away from Indiana Dunes State Park. 643 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: He was not tan with dark wavy hair, though that 644 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: is very true. He was a real cre though he 645 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: was a super big creep. Um had a terrible personality, 646 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: not a charmer, not good looking. To the idea that 647 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: he could get three like women into a boat of 648 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: his is kind of unlikely. Also, he was well known 649 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: as a very sloppy, opportunistic killer. And that this if 650 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 1: they were killed by somebody, this seems to have been planned. 651 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,359 Speaker 1: The fact that their body has never turned up suggests 652 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 1: that who if they were killed by somebody, they would 653 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,479 Speaker 1: have had to a plan to have killed them, because 654 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: they would have had to have brought along all the 655 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 1: weights needed. And yet stuff whatever it is like, any 656 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: one of those theories is just as likely as the others. 657 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: Good stuff, sad, tragic, but I love a good mystery. 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