1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: What's up. 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 2: It's the way up at the Angela yee, I'm my 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 2: guy beat at yep oh, and just a kid from Brooklyn, 4 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 2: Leon Thomas is here yea. 5 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 3: R and B man. 6 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:14,239 Speaker 2: I know, first of all, let's just talk about you 7 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 2: at tiny desks before we even do anything else. 8 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: Congratulations on that. 9 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 10 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 2: That might have been one of the most like, you know, 11 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 2: top tier tiny desks in history. 12 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 3: It was. 13 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 4: It was a really tough one for me. I mean, 14 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 4: two days after that, I had to go to my 15 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 4: grandfather's funeral. I'm sorry, so even like preparing for it, it was. 16 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 4: It was definitely just a lot of emotions. 17 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 3: You know. 18 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 4: He's always been one of my biggest champions, and you know, 19 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 4: I was definitely feeling his energy with me that day, 20 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 4: for sure. 21 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: I know that you had to feel great that at 22 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 2: least he was able to see, well, you've been successful 23 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 2: for so long, but this is a whole different. 24 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 3: It's a different thing for him. Yeah. Yeah, he knows 25 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 3: so much music means to me. 26 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 4: So he would be at all my shows, you know, 27 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 4: he would come to all my New York shows and 28 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 4: even pop up to DC when he could, you know, 29 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 4: so you know, shout out to him for sure, and. 30 00:00:58,280 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen all the feedback from it. 31 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a lot of love. 32 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 4: It was really cool seeing it all work out, you know, 33 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 4: I was I was overseas when it dropped. I was 34 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 4: in the UK doing the show, and immediately my phone 35 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 4: just started blowing up. 36 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 3: All my friends was in me. People haven't talked to 37 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 3: in like six years, seven years, showing so much love. 38 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 5: It was. 39 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 3: It's really dope. 40 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 5: What about the reception of this album? 41 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 4: But yeah, it's been a pleasure man, you know. I 42 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 4: mean I worked really hard on this album. You know, 43 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 4: being signed to a major label, you know that sophomore 44 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 4: album be a make or break. You know, I ain't 45 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,559 Speaker 4: trying to be on anybody's shelf, So I was really 46 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 4: putting my heart and soul into that, trying to make 47 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 4: sure we can really get my torn business up and 48 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 4: running and you know, really touch to people. But I'm 49 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 4: just glad it really resonated to me. 50 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 6: It's like a testament to good music. It's almost like 51 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 6: a word of mouth album like time, And. 52 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: The problem is sometimes people want to like kind of 53 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: like they hate when other people discover Yeah, it was 54 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: like your first Billboard Hot one hund exactly. But that song, 55 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: I mean, it really really went and that made even 56 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: go back and check out like discography. 57 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: But some people that have been on it for a 58 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: minute feel like now you gatekeeper trying. 59 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 4: But I mean, I'm just thinking for everybody who's been, 60 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 4: you know, tapping in and and really doing a lot 61 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 4: of content around it too. I'm seeing on TikTok and 62 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 4: and Instagram people are using it, you know, for reals 63 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 4: and everything else. 64 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 3: Man, It's it's dope to see the growth of it all. 65 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out to all the guys who are dogs 66 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: and MutS you know. 67 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: Oh man, you know, it's just sorry, it's just. 68 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 2: I know, but I saw you said you had a 69 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: German shepherds husky. 70 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 3: With your ex Yeah, exactly. 71 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: I had a German shepherd growing up to His name 72 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 1: is Marble. 73 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the real protective dogs. Yeah. 74 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: So listen, so you she left the dog with. 75 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,399 Speaker 4: You, Well it was my birthday present. So yeah, yeah, 76 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 4: I mean, she, you know, left the dog with me 77 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 4: and it was a it was a really cool process 78 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 4: of just learning myself and he was my first dog ever. 79 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 3: And I'm super busy. 80 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 4: But but uh, I really learned a lot about myself 81 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 4: from from from having this dog, and I feel. 82 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 3: Like this album was definitely therapy, and it's like therapy. 83 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 4: I was just doing a lot of reflecting on who 84 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 4: I am as a man, and you know, who I 85 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 4: want to be, and really just building up my confidence 86 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 4: as well. You know, so I feel like, you know, 87 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 4: dogs of fighters too. 88 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 3: You know, I'm definitely a fighter right now and loyal. Yeah, yeah, 89 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 3: very loyal. 90 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: So when you said but you were doing a lot 91 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: of reflecting on who you are, who would you say 92 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 2: that is if you had to describe who Leon Thomas is? 93 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 4: Man, I feel like I'm definitely a workaholic, but you know, 94 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 4: art means a lot to me, and you know, I think, 95 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 4: you know, these last four years have been really just 96 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 4: a process of finding balance within all of that, and 97 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 4: I mean it tends to be the Achilles Hill to 98 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 4: a lot of my relationships, and you know, I'm just 99 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 4: trying to build more hobbies and just other things that 100 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 4: I'm interested in as well as everything else. But I'm 101 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 4: definitely hyper focused on my dreams right now. So I'm 102 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 4: going in on that. 103 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: What type of hobbies are you interested in? 104 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 3: Yeah? 105 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 4: It's really interested I don't have actual It was like 106 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 4: the last four years, I'm picking up bulling. I'm trying 107 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 4: to just really lock in. Yeah, shout out to my 108 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 4: boy j sonatriving over there. 109 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 3: Locking in, trying to just find more things I can 110 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 3: outside of you know. 111 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, like the music. Sometimes you got to step away 112 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: from it and then come back. 113 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, definitely need that give and take. 114 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 2: Now, Listen, you're a child star also, you know, listen, 115 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 2: thank goodness that things turned out the way they did. 116 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 2: I feel like child stars also have this like. 117 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 5: It's like a dark cloud. 118 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 3: Yeah. 119 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 2: It could be tough though, you know, because not having 120 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 2: the childhood that everybody else had. 121 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: What was child your childhood? 122 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 3: Like, my childhood was really awesome. Shout out to my mom. 123 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 4: I mean she made sure that I really took time 124 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 4: to focus on school, having you know, friends who aren't 125 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 4: in the industry, you know, just like really built a 126 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 4: community around me that can help support both the parts 127 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 4: of my life that were a little abnormal and and 128 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 4: just building like a safe place to be myself. 129 00:04:58,560 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 3: You know. 130 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 4: Once we moved to La, you know, she was definitely 131 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 4: my protector too. She always made sure she was just 132 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 4: like locked in and you know when it came to. 133 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 3: Business, really helped me out. 134 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 4: And you know, having my mom and even my belief 135 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 4: in God, I think it's really helped me roll through, 136 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 4: you know, the peaks and valleys of this whole thing. 137 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 3: Because I mean it hasn't been all just. 138 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 4: Amazing for me when it comes to this industry, but 139 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 4: I think it's it's really a testament of me being 140 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 4: able to you know, get up when I fall down. 141 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you do have a musical family. Like you said, 142 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 2: you had a studio in the house. 143 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure. 144 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: This is your house in Park Slope. 145 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, in Park Slope. No less, here's the deal. 146 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 4: So they had a backyard and the person who's renting 147 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 4: it before us built a shed in the backyard and 148 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 4: that was like where you know they would do like 149 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 4: some live stuff. So they have mics out there, and 150 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 4: then in the downstairs bedroom they turned that into a. 151 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 3: Into a really cool studio. So we would have like 152 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 3: rappers like come to the house and record stuff. 153 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 4: Anybody know, it was like makeshift. I don't think anybody 154 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 4: you guys know, but you know, shout out to wise. 155 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 4: So that's that's like my uncle, you know, he's he 156 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 4: was a rapper from New York, and I watched him 157 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 4: put together his projects there as like a child child. 158 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 4: I'm talking like seven years old to maybe nine was 159 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 4: when they were working on that independent record label. 160 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: So it was kind of destined for you because I 161 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: was thinking about Park Slope, Like when I was coming up, 162 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 2: I used to go to Park Slope to hang out 163 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 2: with my friends that I went to poly Prep in Brooklyn. 164 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: Oh cool, Yeah, so that's like it was like the 165 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: good neighborhood to hang out. 166 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 3: Right right right right. It's pretty safe, you know. 167 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: Like I'm going to park. 168 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 2: So my mom used to be like, go ahead, have fun, 169 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 2: have a good time with that now. Also, so you 170 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: went from that, and then you've written for a lot 171 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: of artists too as well. I mean some huge artists. Yeah, 172 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 2: some artists that like, it's funny to me because you've 173 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 2: written for and with other writers too, but you've written 174 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 2: with Scizza. 175 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 4: Well yeah, well, I mean I always like to, you know, 176 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 4: make that differentiation. I produced on that song with Sis 177 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 4: for us Snooze, But you know, production was actually like 178 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 4: the main thing I was doing for a lot of 179 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 4: these artists because I feel like writing sometimes can be 180 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 4: very personal with artists. 181 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 3: You know, if you don't really know him very well, 182 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 3: it can feel like a blind date. 183 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 4: But but I've also luckily been able to play some 184 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 4: songs as a writer on a bunch of artists and 185 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 4: you know, shout out to them, you know. But like 186 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 4: working in production, I was able to really lock in 187 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 4: with people like Drake and yeah yeah, j Cole. 188 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,559 Speaker 3: Post some loan. You know, it's a pretty long list. 189 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: It's crazy when I'm sure when you watch like everything 190 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: that happens in the news, do you think because you 191 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: have a whole different insight when you think about people 192 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 2: and forming opinions on like, well, this's happened, well you 193 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: know that? 194 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's a crazy 195 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 4: world down there. 196 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 3: There's a lot going on. 197 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 4: But but luckily all of my experiences have been really 198 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 4: dope and I picked up a lot of great lessons, 199 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 4: you know, especially working with Drake and his team. Man, 200 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 4: I mean, they really, you know, showed a lot of love. 201 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 5: How did you feel winning the Grammy for Snooze? 202 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 3: That was a big deal, man, it was a big deal. 203 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 3: And it it. 204 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 4: Was my second time being nominated well for a song 205 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 4: I'd been on the albums and been nominated for stuff, 206 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 4: but this is my second time being nominated for a song, 207 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 4: and I wasn't quite sure if we were gonna win, 208 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 4: and she had like seven nominations or something that night, 209 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 4: but it was a beautiful surprise and my mom was real. 210 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 3: Happy, you know. 211 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's one of my favorite artists. 212 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 2: Like here and I saw you also said, so you 213 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: have this deluxe album? 214 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: Yeah coming out? Is it done yet? 215 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 3: Do we? Well? 216 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 4: I just got the mastered, really really amazing feature. I'm 217 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 4: still gonna say the name on that one, but this 218 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 4: is this is definitely life. 219 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 3: Changing for me. I'm a big fan of this artist. 220 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, just got the master back. 221 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 2: Give us a hint so we can like a jeopardy HNT. 222 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: Is it a woman. 223 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 3: They've been in the game since say we're a teenager 224 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 3: just like me, you. 225 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 5: Know, Angeloue. 226 00:08:58,360 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: Come on, I can't guess for that. 227 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 5: I thought it was you. 228 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 3: They've been in the game a long time, a long time. 229 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 3: You've seen them grow up too. 230 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, so we know we know so far. 231 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 2: Kilani's on it, right, we know Big Sean? Is that confirmed? 232 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 3: Big Shan? 233 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, okay, we know Halle Belly is confirmed. Yeah, Okay, 234 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: it's not one of those. 235 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, it's not one of those. It's 236 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 4: like it's like another one. 237 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: And I know you said this is going to be 238 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 2: a very woman kind of centric. I saw you say that. 239 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 3: I did. 240 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 4: I think I did most of the duets I needed 241 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 4: to do so far when it comes to the girls. 242 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 3: So so this is like a guy. 243 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: I was a guy. 244 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 3: Okay. 245 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 6: See on the O G version of the album, I 246 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 6: think you're surprised a lot of people having Freddy Gibbs 247 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 6: on the remix. 248 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 5: For Yeah, that was such a great moment. 249 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 3: Listen. 250 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,719 Speaker 4: Man, I'm a real big fan of you know, real lyricists. 251 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 4: And one thing about Freddie from being in the studio 252 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 4: with him even prior to doing that record, I mean, 253 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 4: he's really sitting down he's writing those lyrics and he's, 254 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 4: you know, an amazing rapper. 255 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 3: I love what he has to say. He's got like 256 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 3: a wit to a lot of his bars. 257 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 4: And I think it's really cool. He's also really funny. 258 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 4: You know, you just stand up, man, that's so cool. 259 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 3: Freddy is cool. 260 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest, like, because he was living in 261 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 2: LA I don't know if he still does living. Yeah, 262 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 2: has a place, and we would have all these like parties, 263 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 2: house parties and be like, yeah, we're having a party 264 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 2: at the house. 265 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 3: You know. He's a fun guy. Yeah he is. 266 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 2: That's why I hate to see sometimes like some of 267 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 2: the things that happened online and him going to I 268 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: don't because I know Freddy's cool, he's funny. His page 269 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 2: that kept getting deleted on Instagram. Yeah, he would always 270 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 2: post a wilder stuff on social media, but it was 271 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 2: quite entertaining. 272 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: I would tell people, do ill follow Freddy Gibbs. 273 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's definitely got the Twitter fingers for no. 274 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: So how did that even happen? Wh what made? 275 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 3: Like? 276 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 4: You? 277 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: You called him up, you gave him the song ahead 278 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: of time? How did y'all even? 279 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 4: I mean, we had each other's numbers because we're cool, 280 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 4: like we're friends. But he texted me he told me, 281 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 4: you know, you really wanted to hop on the song, 282 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 4: and okay, it was like right after it had come out, 283 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 4: and I was like, you know what, we were talking 284 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 4: about doing the remix. You know that could be cool, 285 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 4: and I mean I sent him the instrumental. He sent 286 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 4: back the feature the next day, So that was that 287 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 4: was really dope him. 288 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, now said, so, were you signed to Ration Records? 289 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 3: It was a long time ago. Yeah, it was. It 290 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 3: was kind of. 291 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 4: Interesting how that happened because I was signed in Columbia originally, 292 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 4: and I had a song with Wiz Khalifa, and I 293 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 4: became really good friends with Benji who owns Yeah yeah, 294 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 4: and uh, you know, just over the course of like 295 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 4: two years, we became really close and I ended up 296 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 4: you know, rocking with him independently for some time, and 297 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 4: I learned a lot about how to run an independent 298 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 4: record label from just being cool with him, and shout 299 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 4: out to him for really showing me the business side 300 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 4: of it. I feel like every experience has been a 301 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 4: lesson somehow. 302 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: What other situations did you have before you landed? 303 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 4: Before I landed, I was also with Alex the Kid 304 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 4: for a quick second, Yeah, at a kid in the corner, Uh, 305 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 4: And we were kind of working on my first album, 306 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 4: Electric Dust together for some time. But but we we 307 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 4: ended up parting ways. But shout out to him, you know, 308 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 4: we're still cool, we're still texting. 309 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:57,719 Speaker 1: So it feels like you're right where you need to 310 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: be exactly. 311 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 4: Everything flows away it's supposed to you know, I'm really 312 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 4: blessed to be in a position I'm in for sure. 313 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 2: Now I want to ask you about this album too 314 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 2: much because I saw you also said this is a 315 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 2: period of time where you feel like maybe you're not 316 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: ready to be in settled down. 317 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, I mean I'm you know, I'm trying 318 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 4: to figure that part out. My schedule is pretty hectic 319 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 4: right now, moving. 320 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 3: Around a lot. 321 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: You're like, no hobbies, nothing. 322 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 4: I'm like really really hyper focused on what I got 323 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 4: going on. But I definitely want to want to find 324 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 4: love at some point. I think that's really important. 325 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 5: You know. 326 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: Is that so you would say your relationship, your last 327 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 2: one ended probably because you were too focused. 328 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it was a mixture that. 329 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 4: I mean, we both were artists, and you know, it 330 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 4: was just it was just a lot going on, and uh, 331 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 4: you know, I think for me, I always want to 332 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 4: let somebody be their best self. 333 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 3: And I felt like at. 334 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 4: A certain point, I don't know if she was kind 335 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 4: of relying on what I had going on, and I 336 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 4: wanted her to definitely flow and build her own thing 337 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 4: because she's so talented as an artist, and I didn't 338 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 4: I never wanted her to look back like six or 339 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 4: seven years, you know, and be like, man. 340 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 3: You never really put me on or did anything to help. 341 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 3: And I feel like maybe if we both focus on. 342 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 2: Our you know, it's probably hard to date another artist. 343 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 2: It's tough, you know, just because it is like, what's 344 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 2: that separation at home, right and personal life and maybe 345 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 2: doing things for each other, you know exactly. 346 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 4: You want to kind of like, you know, turn that 347 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 4: side off and just focus on kicking in the house, 348 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 4: you know. 349 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's definitely very tough. 350 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 5: Right in your phone. Inspired by that, I was gonna 351 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 5: say that, you know what. 352 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 3: Shout out to Dane Warren. She She wrote that regendary. 353 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 4: And Dying was a legendary songwriter, but I resonated with 354 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 4: it because, yeah, there was times. 355 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 6: Where it felt like that, I love that song. It 356 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 6: feels like old school begging kind of. 357 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I love when shut Up to Jeff Giddy. 358 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 4: You never would have had answer your phone on the 359 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 4: album if I didn't do a meeting with Jeff Giddy. 360 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 3: He was like a whole R and B album, no 361 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 3: begging song. 362 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 5: I'm like, all. 363 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 3: I found one and you know, cut it really sound 364 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 3: adupe so shut Out to Dying Warren. 365 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: Wow, no, your whole vibe is kind of like real music. 366 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 2: I don't know if that makes sense. 367 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah it does, because. 368 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 2: I don't want to insult other people, but it does 369 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 2: feel like it's it just feels good like live. Watching 370 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: your live performances, but then listening to the album, you 371 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: feel that whole element. 372 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: And I'm all about that too. 373 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I mean, you know, I grew up writing 374 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 4: songs on the guitar. You know, I was a big 375 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 4: fan of people like Indiri and Alisha Keys, and you know, 376 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 4: artists who could really like genuinely play and sing, even 377 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 4: just without all the bells and whistles. So it's really 378 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 4: nice now that you know, I'm in this position to 379 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 4: be an adult producer too, because I can really manipulate 380 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 4: a lot of the things I play on all the 381 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 4: instruments to make it feel urban. 382 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 2: You know, how was it for you working writing and 383 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 2: producing for other artists but knowing that, like you got 384 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 2: to get your blow up before everything happened, because sometimes 385 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 2: that's hard too. 386 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 3: You're like, I ain't gonna lie. It wasn't always easy. 387 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 5: You know. 388 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 4: Sometimes I was being in with an artist and I'd 389 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 4: be like, man, I feel like I'm more talented than 390 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 4: that I realized. You know, this industry isn't like this 391 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 4: industry isn't about that though. 392 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 3: I think. I think it's about building a brand. And 393 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 3: that was the thing that I've. 394 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 4: Really noticed now that I'm like, Okay, regardless of what's 395 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 4: going on, if I can maybe sing a little bit 396 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 4: better or play an instrument better, the fact is, I 397 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 4: think built a brand that's working better than mine right now. 398 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 4: So there's things I can learn from them. And yeah, 399 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 4: that was definitely a lesson I learned over the years. 400 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 3: I'm thankful for it. 401 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 2: You know, you talked about being like media trained previously 402 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 2: and also in the music wanted to make sure, like 403 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 2: on your first project on Genesis, just talking about how 404 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 2: like that music was different because you still weren't feeling like. 405 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: You could just say and do whatever it was. And 406 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: that's not easy either. 407 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not easy. 408 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 4: But I mean I think everything happens in this right time, 409 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 4: you know. I mean I'm internally as a human being, 410 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 4: I just feel so sound and like one with myself, 411 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 4: and you know, through my twenties, I was still just 412 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 4: really fonding myself. So I'm glad I'm releasing music now 413 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 4: that resonates with people, and I can handle the twist 414 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 4: in terms of, you know, what fame comes with, especially 415 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 4: when it's about music things that are about my life. 416 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 4: You know, it's such a vulnerable thing. Yeah, yeah, I'm. 417 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 3: I'm learning it as we go, but you know, I 418 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 3: feel like I'm ready for it now. 419 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 5: And the music is resonating overseas as well. 420 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 3: You just given the yeah, yeah, yeah, we did two 421 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 3: sold out shows. 422 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 4: It was insane doing doing radio and even just walking 423 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 4: around London and people stopping me and showing love. 424 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's a completely different countries. 425 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 4: So I mean, for me, I was definitely super surprised, 426 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 4: and you know, I'm feeling the love out there. I'm 427 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 4: very excited to go back and continue to build overseas. 428 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 4: I feel like London is a great way to reach 429 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 4: out to the rest of the European countries as well. 430 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 4: So I'm looking forward to going to Copenhagen and blaining again. 431 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 3: And you know, Swisserland all. 432 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 5: That it's a lot comparable to America or is it 433 00:16:58,760 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 5: more intense? 434 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 4: It was kind of I'm not gonna kind I feel 435 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 4: like I feel like all of my US fans like 436 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 4: like everybody feels like a distant cousin who shows a 437 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 4: lot of love, you know, like like in the UK, 438 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 4: it felt like a fandom energy you know, which is 439 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 4: which is really dope. But I mean shout out to 440 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 4: to both sides. You know, I love working for for 441 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 4: you know, for the love and and it's just great 442 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,479 Speaker 4: that you know the UK is you know, showing love 443 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 4: as well. 444 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 2: Said recently, A Mario said that you were on his 445 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 2: bucket list of people that he wants to work with. 446 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 4: Really, I did a song on his last Marion I 447 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 4: didn't want on Mario's last album. Sorry, but marion O Marion. 448 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 4: I met him not too long ago and we exchanged numbers. 449 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 4: We we definitely gotta gotta figure it out, man. I mean, 450 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 4: he's he's such a talented artist. 451 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 3: Man. 452 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 4: I mean I remember growing up in Brooklyn watching one 453 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 4: O six and Park B two K, you know, all 454 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 4: of his solo stuff. 455 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 3: Like he's definitely a legend. 456 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: It's funny now because like the Millennium Tour is happening. 457 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know those. 458 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 2: Groups that we looked at previously as like you know, 459 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 2: we grew up on. It makes us feel like damn, 460 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 2: I go but. 461 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 5: You're like the hot guy right now. Who do you 462 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 5: want to work with? 463 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 3: A man? 464 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 4: There's a lot of people. I definitely want to work 465 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 4: with Beyonce. I feel like that would just be epic. 466 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 4: I know she went for the stars here, but I 467 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 4: genuinely feel like we can make something really dope, and 468 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 4: it's it's like one of those icons I've always wanted 469 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 4: to either write or produce for. 470 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: I mean, thank You've already worked with some icons. 471 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I can. 472 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 4: We can come up with something really dope, and then 473 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 4: I want to do something with Sis at some point. 474 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 3: But I just want the timing to be right, you know. 475 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 4: I want her to to to really be in a 476 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 4: space to even even allow the creative space to work 477 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 4: because it's there's so much going on for her number 478 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 4: one record, shout out to her for that, you know, 479 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 4: So we'll figure that out. 480 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 3: But Cleo Soul too, I know that's like, but Cleo 481 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 3: Soul is like so phenomenal. 482 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 4: She She's She's an amazing artist from the UK that 483 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 4: I've been obsessed with, especially. 484 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 3: Her band Salt Too. Yeah, I'm I'm a huge fan. 485 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 2: Do you think about like all the like all of 486 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 2: these people that you've already worked with and like being 487 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 2: in the studio with them. Let's just say, before you 488 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 2: put out your album, are you the type of person 489 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 2: that's like able to be like, hey, you know, so 490 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 2: I'm working on some music because you know, sometimes people 491 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 2: don't like to do that. 492 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 3: I hate crossing every hat. 493 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: It's so good at that, and I'm always like they're so. 494 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 3: I don't know. 495 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 4: I mean, that's why most of the people that you 496 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 4: you hear on a lot of my records I have 497 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 4: like a personal relationship with because I never wanted to 498 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 4: feel like I'm being like, I don't know, clout chasy 499 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 4: or just like trying to do the most, you know. 500 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,239 Speaker 4: I think it should always be organic because you can 501 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 4: feel it on a record when an artist doesn't want 502 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 4: to do it, you know, when it's just the money grab. 503 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I love that lats on the album. 504 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 3: That's my boy. 505 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: I want more out, like you know what I'm saying. 506 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 4: I need trust me, trust me, trust me, like we 507 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 4: talk about it all the time. And he's got some 508 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 4: amazing music that he's. 509 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 3: Been working on. 510 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 4: I'm really excited for him to put some of that 511 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 4: stuff out because I think I think he doesn't realize 512 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 4: how much the world. 513 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 2: Loves and sometimes and I think with La too, he's 514 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 2: so in tune with like his emotionals. He's overly emotional, 515 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 2: but it works, if that makes sense. 516 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 3: Like an amazing lyricist. 517 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, he overthinks everything. 518 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 2: You could have a conversation with lat and you end 519 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 2: up talking to him for hours, yea. 520 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll definitely last for a while. But but it's cool. 521 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 4: I mean, he kind of speaks like he raps, you 522 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. You know, it's very colorful and like, 523 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 4: you know, poetic. But he's a really good dude. 524 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: Now, let's talk about this deluxe album. When is it 525 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: coming out? 526 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 4: So we don't have an exact release date, and I 527 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 4: don't want to shout anything out that's not it's not official, 528 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 4: but but we're thinking around man. 529 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So we got a little bit. 530 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 4: Of time, a little bit of times, but like you know, 531 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 4: I'm just buttoning up like mixes and visuals and all 532 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 4: this extra stuff, and I want to make sure it's 533 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 4: really at its best because I feel like the first 534 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 4: iteration of the album is really special to me and 535 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 4: I took a lot of time on it, so I 536 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 4: want to make sure, I'm not rushing things. 537 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 2: And why did you say a deluxe album instead of saying, 538 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 2: let me put out a you know, standalone project. You know, 539 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 2: people just do music all different ways. I don't know 540 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 2: if there's a business decision behind that. 541 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:07,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's definitely some of business decisions behind that. 542 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 4: You know, the album came out too late to be 543 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 4: recognized for for any nominations like Grammys and stuff, you. 544 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: Know, because it definitely would have. 545 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so you. 546 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 4: Know, we're definitely trying to, you know, make sure we 547 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 4: continue to breathe life into the project to at least 548 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 4: give it a fair shot. And I feel like the 549 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 4: deluxe is going to be a great way for us 550 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 4: to do that. 551 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: And what about acting again too, because you know that's 552 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: where you started. Oh yeah, pretty much. 553 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 3: I definitely want to get back to it. 554 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 2: Because I feel like now that makes you I mean, 555 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: just like production, writing, acting, performing all of those things. 556 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 2: I could see that being something that's really special right 557 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 2: now to work on a project. 558 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: Do you have ideas of what you want to do? 559 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I got some ideas, like some 560 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 4: film and you know, TV ideas. But I think it's 561 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 4: important that I also spend time back in class. I 562 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 4: want to get back in a class and really make 563 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 4: sure when I do return back to acting, it's not 564 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 4: just based off of charisma, like I want to. I 565 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 4: want to bring that that that Danzel, that Will Smith. 566 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 4: You know, these guys work really hard. They work so 567 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 4: hard on what they do. You know, my Homie Brett 568 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 4: is on Broadway right now. He's playing Michael Jackson. 569 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 3: In the Broadway. 570 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 4: But Jay the music, Yeah, mj the musical. You know, 571 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 4: he's just talking about how much work he's doing. I 572 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 4: mean they got him taking ballet Yo Goad acting class 573 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 4: three times a week. I mean all of my counterparts 574 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 4: to people that I've worked with and grew up in 575 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 4: the acting field with, they work really hard. And I've 576 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 4: been doing a lot of music, so I'm going to 577 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 4: make sure I take the time to come back on 578 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 4: the screen, right. 579 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you were on Broadway too, though. That was 580 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: intense young. 581 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 3: Age, young age. 582 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been doing this a long time. But it's 583 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 4: not like riding a bike. You gotta make sure you. 584 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 2: Say that because some people would just jump back into 585 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 2: it because it's something that you know, I feel like 586 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 2: Broadway is like that intense and what was that like 587 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 2: for you at a young age playing in The Lion 588 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 2: King that the main character at that. 589 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 4: Music and performing has always felt like, Uh, it's felt 590 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 4: like family because my family's been you know, and this 591 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 4: so long, so it's always felt like fun. Even as 592 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 4: a kid, it was just a good time. There's no 593 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 4: like anxiety surrounding it, you know, and and they really 594 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 4: put you through rigorous like rehearsals. Yeah, It's it's not 595 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 4: like you just go up there and you know, figure 596 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 4: it out on your own. So I mean I always 597 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 4: felt safe up there and had a lot of fun. 598 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: I've seen The Lion King like three times already on 599 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: b Yeah. 600 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 2: I'm always impressed by like these little kids just being 601 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 2: able to know all of those lines and do all 602 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 2: of this singing like it's it's incredible to me. 603 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I mean there's there's been so many amazing 604 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 4: actors and actresses who have come from being young symbers. 605 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 4: Uh you know my boy Caleb in Glaughlin from Strangers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 606 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 4: Trevor Jackson, There's like so many, so many. I think 607 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 4: even Jacob Blatimore at some point was doing that too. 608 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 4: So yeah, there's there's definitely been a lot of us 609 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 4: that have you know, made it. 610 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 2: Work because you could also play somebody in a biopic. 611 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 2: I always think that's I think about that, and when 612 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 2: I think people who can be. 613 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 3: Cool, I'm trying to figure out, actually, you know. The 614 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 3: one I would love to do is Donnie Hathaway's story. 615 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 3: I feel like he's such. 616 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 4: An amazing singer, but his story was really tragic, you know, 617 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 4: in the end, and i'd love to I love to 618 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 4: play that story. 619 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 2: It's Donny Hathaway's story. It's always fascinating to me when. 620 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 4: I there's a couple of different accounts. I got to 621 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 4: really go through documentaries. I don't want to, you know, misspeak, 622 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 4: but I know towards the end of his life, I 623 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 4: know he was dealing with some mental health issues and 624 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 4: then it's still unknown of the exact cause of his death, 625 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 4: but he felt from from from a whole time. 626 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, okay. 627 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 4: Yeah's it would be it would be a dark one, 628 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 4: but but I feel like the music would be so 629 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 4: amazing and I want more people to know of how 630 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 4: phenomenal he was because I'm a real fan. 631 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,719 Speaker 1: I went to go see the Lewis Armstrong play on Broadway. 632 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: What a wonderful world. 633 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 2: It's great to me because I feel like real life 634 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 2: stories are always more fascinating than anything fictional could ever 635 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 2: be exactly. 636 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 637 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 2: Because I didn't know anything about him. I just knew 638 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 2: what a wonderful world. 639 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 3: You know. 640 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 2: But then you go and you see the play and 641 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 2: it was you know, he had like three different wives. 642 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 3: Oh wow. 643 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, But I feel like back then everyone was doing 644 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: that because you. 645 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 2: Go on the musician, Yeah yeah, all might well let'ten 646 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 2: I know you have a lot going on right now. 647 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 2: So I appreciate you so much for coming through. I 648 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 2: was really excited. 649 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 3: I'm a big fan. Thank you for taking it time. 650 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: To be able to have the opportunity. 651 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 2: And I hope that you know, when this, uh this 652 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 2: deluxe album comes out, we get to see you again. 653 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll get you on lip service. 654 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 3: You know you. Yeah, yeah, different topics over there. 655 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 6: I'm wrestling with vibes. Don't live man, that's my favorite song. 656 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 6: Go through the album. 657 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 5: I don't know if I like the O GI version 658 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 5: or this Tiny Desk version. I don't know. 659 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: That Tiny Desk was amazing to know what you were like. 660 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 2: You said it was a difficult time. 661 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 3: Which I was definitely going through a lot. 662 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, we had to push back even 663 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 4: when I filmed it, just based off of everything. 664 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 3: That was going on, you know, with the funeral. 665 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 4: But but you know, looking back at it now, he 666 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 4: was with me, like his energy was with me, And yeah, 667 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 4: I'm glad I made him proud. 668 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 5: Absolutely. 669 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 2: I feel like when I think about because this album, 670 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 2: like you said, you're trying to like kind of find 671 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 2: where you are, you're not quite ready to settle down. 672 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 2: That heartbreak album when you have it is going to 673 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 2: be amazing. 674 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, yea, hopefully ever after album. 675 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: You got to go through some Have you gone through 676 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 2: some real heartbreak? 677 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: Would you say? 678 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I've been there before. 679 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's not a it's not an easy 680 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 4: thing to deal with. But but I like to look 681 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 4: at a lot of the traumatic things in my life 682 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 4: is like more so lessons than like, you know, problems. 683 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 3: So I think I definitely learned a lot of lessons 684 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 3: throughout those times. 685 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, those things that what makes you stronger, Yeah, you know, 686 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 2: and it makes you wants to learn how to deal 687 00:26:58,480 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 2: with things in the future. 688 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 1: On the other side, you learned. 689 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 3: So much about yourself. You're like all right, that doesn't work. 690 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 1: Let's figure this out, all right, Well we can't wait. 691 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much, and it's a pleasure having 692 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 2: somebody as talented as you are on the show. 693 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I appreciate you. 694 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: And from Brooklyn, Yeah ahead, Brooklyn, way up.