1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Up next The Truth with Lisa both does it even 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: feel like we're living in America anymore? We've seen tyranny 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: in a way that I didn't think it was possible 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: here in America, in this free country that we love. 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 1: We've seen the government shut down businesses against their will, 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: deny people the opportunity to go to church, and now 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: with the vaccines, we're seeing the government trying to dictate 8 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: to the private sector to fire people if they don't 9 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: want to get the vaccine. We're living in a COVID 10 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: dystopia where we are told to ignore a common sense, 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: We're told to ignore the science. We are told to 12 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: ignore what is obvious, and we are told to be 13 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: good little boys and girls and listen to the people 14 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: in charge. Just do what you're told. But why would 15 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: we listen to any of them? This is the Truth 16 00:00:50,560 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: with Lisa Booth so An Austria right now be unvaccinated 17 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: twelve years and older. So even twelve year olds are 18 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: under house arrest as police roam the streets asking for 19 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: papers of making sure you're vaccinated in order to be 20 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: outside of your house and to live your life. Germany 21 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: is contemplating something similar Australia has built in tournament camps, 22 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: and here in America you cannot dine in cities like 23 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: New York if you're unvaccinated. And vaccinated Americans in the 24 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: country have been denied medical care, they've lost their livelihoods. 25 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: And I'm so passionate about all of this because we're 26 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: seeing or leaders reshaped the government by using this fear, 27 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: by using this paranoia to change the government, to obtain 28 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: power in a way that we didn't even think that 29 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: was imaginable here in America, and they're lying to us. 30 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: Joe Biden said that back in September, the whole point 31 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: of these mandates, the whole point was to protect the 32 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: vaccinated for the unvaccinated, was to stop the spread. The 33 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: whole point of this discrimination, we're saying, the segregation and 34 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: the treating of the unvaccinated like second class citizens, it's 35 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: all built on a lie. And even dating back to September, 36 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: before that, we knew it was like, we knew that 37 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: you could still spread COVID even if you're vaccinated. So 38 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: what's the point of all this And we're not even 39 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: getting the truth? Do you go back in September, the 40 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: CDC changed the definition of what it means to be vaccinated. Previously, 41 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: it stated that vaccination meant producing immunity. But after it 42 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: was proven that the COVID nineteen vaccines don't accomplish that 43 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: goal because they don't stop transmission, they don't produce immunity, 44 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: they changed it. They changed it to merely producing protection. 45 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: So instead of requiring vaccines that actually meet the original standards, 46 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: they changed the definition. Similarly, Webster changed the definition of 47 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: what it means to be an anti vaxer. So what 48 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,839 Speaker 1: does the truth actually mean with the people in chart 49 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: so freely rewrite it for their convenience or for their power. 50 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: During a July CNN town hall, Biden told us he 51 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: told the American people, he said, you know what, You're 52 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: not going to get COVID if you have these vaccines. 53 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: That was a lie at the time. It's a lie now, 54 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: and he knew it was a lie. You know why. 55 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: That came after a group of fully vaccinated Texas Democrats 56 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: state legislators went to Washington, d C. And they turned 57 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: it into a super spreader event. Shortly after that super 58 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: spreader event, shortly after Joe Biden told us that lie, 59 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: the CDC director admitted the unlike other variants, vaccinated people 60 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: infected with DELTA can transmit the virus. Her comments came 61 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: in response to a study studying an outbreak that began 62 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: on July three in Provincetown, Massachusetts and involved four d 63 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: sixty nine cases. Seventy five percent of the cases in 64 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: that outbreak occurred in fully vaccinated people, and they found 65 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: that there was no significant difference found in viral loads 66 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: between the vaccinated unvaccinated. That was back in July. Yet 67 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: he moved with these mandates, full speed ahead. No regard 68 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: for the truth, no regard for the science, no regard 69 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: for common sense. Do what I tell you to do. 70 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: I own you. That's the message from Joe Biden. We 71 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: also see now there's a recent study published by the 72 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: Lancet finding a similar conclusion, finding that vaccinated people are 73 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: just as likely to spread DELTA as unvaccinated people within 74 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: their households. Politicians like British Prime Minister have at least 75 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: admitted this much. Listen, a lot of protection against serious 76 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: illness and death, but it doesn't protect you against catching 77 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: the disease, and it doesn't it doesn't protect protect you 78 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: against poss at all, and said, now's the time to 79 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: get your right so it can't stop you from getting 80 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: or spreading it, but just go ahead and get your 81 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: third shot. I'm not really sure why anyone is surprised 82 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: by this, because Big Farmer told us this a year ago. 83 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: Fiser's chairman and Maderna, his chief medical officer, told us 84 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: that they weren't sure if the vaccines would be able 85 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: to stop the spread. You can also look at places 86 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: around the country. You know, there is one British territory 87 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: where of the population is fully vaccinated have received boosters. 88 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: They just canceled Christmas celebrations because of a dramatic spike 89 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: in cases Gibraltar. I think I'm saying that right. So 90 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:27,119 Speaker 1: why are unvaccinated people being discriminated against throughout the world, 91 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: not just the United States, throughout the world when the 92 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: vaccinated are free to indiscriminately spread COVID? Why are the 93 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: unvaccinated locked in their homes in Austria when the vaccinated 94 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: are outspreading COVID? Why can only vaccinated people eat and 95 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: dine in New York when they're spreading COVID? But instead 96 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: of being honest with us, instead of telling us you 97 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: know what, we we might have oversold the vaccines. We 98 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: might have not been fully honest with you. Maybe we 99 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: didn't have the information at the time, which was at 100 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: least a lie when Joe Biden made that comment in July. 101 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: But you know, maybe we accidentally oversold the vaccine means right, 102 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: instead of just saying that, instead of being honest with us, 103 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: what are they doing now? You have to get your booster. 104 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: You have to get your booster after six months because 105 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: the vaccines lose effectiveness. So what does that mean? And 106 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: when does this all end? And what does that mean 107 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: for young and healthy people who might not need the 108 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: vaccine like me, I'm thirty six of nine chance of 109 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: survival against COVID? Why do I need the vaccine in 110 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: the first place? Let alone a second, a third, what 111 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: another one six months from now? A fourth? Right? When 112 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: does it end? And what does it mean for people 113 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: with natural immunity When there are over a hundred studies 114 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: affirming the effectiveness of natural immunity, are they supposed to 115 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: sign up every six months to get a vaccine that 116 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: they may or may not need. And look, we know 117 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: that there is more than a thousand fold difference in 118 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: the risk of mortality between the old and young. Dr 119 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: Martin Colderff came on had an awesome interview with him. 120 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: He said, as much so, me as a thirty six 121 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: year old, has a much less risk from COVID than 122 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: Joe Biden at seventy eight years old. Right, of course, 123 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: COVID is gonna impact his body different anything is going 124 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: to impact his body differently at seventy eight years old. 125 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: I mean, the guy probably should be in a nursing home, 126 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: not the White House. So what works for him doesn't 127 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: work for me. And also, of course what they don't 128 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: tell us. They don't talk about vaccine injury, they don't 129 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: talk about risk, they don't talk about potential death. I 130 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,239 Speaker 1: mean you can look at countries like Iceland, Norway, Sweden, 131 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: many countries are placing restrictions in the maduring A vaccine 132 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: because of concerns about what it does to your heart, 133 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: particularly for younger people. And look, there's been deaths as 134 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: row right Like USA today did analysis looking at between 135 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: the years of two thousand, two thousand, twenty right, so 136 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: with twenty of your period, and they found that there 137 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: has received one thousand and five reports of death after vaccination. Today. 138 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: If you go to the CDC's website. It says that 139 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: from December to November, right, so less than a year, 140 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: there have been nine thousand, eight ten reports of death 141 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: among those who have received the COVID nineteen vaccine. Now, 142 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: in fairness CDC's website, they do know that reports of 143 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: adverse events, including death, don't necessarily mean that the vaccine 144 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: caused the health problem. That's fair itself reporting. You can't 145 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: draw a straight line between the death reported and COVID 146 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: per se, but doesn't nine times the deaths in less 147 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: than a year compared to a twenty year period of 148 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: time raised at least some concerns. Wouldn't that get the 149 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: media just a little curious? Wouldn't that get health officials 150 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: just a little curious? And of course Big Pharma doesn't 151 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: care because they're getting rich, they're loaded. I mean, how lucky. 152 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: Or if your visor you've got the form of former 153 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: head of the FDA on your board of advisors, I mean, 154 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: that can't hurt the approval process, right, keep it in 155 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: the family. And like you kind of ask yourself, how 156 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: how can we get here? How can we get during 157 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: this age of just fear and paranoia and psychosis? And 158 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: you look at this gallop pole that was released not 159 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: too long ago, and they found that of Democrats believed 160 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: the unvaccinated have an overt risk of hospitalization. So forty 161 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: one percent of Democrats believe the unvaccinated have an over 162 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: fifty percent risk of hospitalization. But according to Gallop, it 163 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: is under one percent. It's point eight. And that also 164 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,599 Speaker 1: doesn't differentially between age, right, because if you're younger with 165 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: a much much less likelihood of ending by the hospital 166 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: than someone who's elderly. So you look at the psychosis 167 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: that has taken place, you look at that poll, and 168 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 1: you realize maybe why we're making some of these decisions. 169 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 1: It's not about the facts, it's not about data. It's 170 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: about this emotion. It's about this fear. It's about this 171 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 1: paranoia that has overtaken our country. And we do have 172 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: some good people. We have amazing governors like my governor 173 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: of Florida, Rohn de Sandis, who has stood tall against 174 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: all of this. He has not pushed paranoia. He has 175 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 1: been data driven. He has led with the facts, but 176 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 1: he has few and far between. And what we have 177 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: seen from our leaders like Joe Biden is they have 178 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: pushed this paranoia. They have pushed the sphere, and then 179 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: they have used it. They have leveraged it to reshape 180 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: the government to their liking, to push us towards an 181 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: authoritarian regime, to take us a way from checks and balances, 182 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: to take us away from this constitutional republic, to engage 183 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: in tyranny. We've already seen how the psychosis led to lockdowns, 184 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: which destroyed the economy, which led to overdoses, which led 185 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: to suicides, which led to so much harm. And now 186 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 1: it's leading to discrimination, segregation, and the splitting of the 187 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: country between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. And I've got 188 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 1: news for you, it's not going to stop till we 189 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: make it stop. Do not comply, vote like your life 190 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: depends it, Stand up, be loud, make your voice heard, 191 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 1: and stand up to this tyranny. The future of this 192 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: country hangs in the balance. What kind of America do 193 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: you want to live in? Do you want to live 194 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: in the Home of the brave? Do you want to 195 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: live in the land of the free? What kind of 196 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: country do you want? That's what's at stake. And one 197 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: of the brave people fighting all of this craziness, fighting 198 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: this hysteria, fighting the lawlessness as her meet Dylan she 199 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: is an awesome, nationally recognized lawyer I have I think 200 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: she's amazing. She also founded her own law firm in 201 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: two thousands sick. She's been ranked as one of California's 202 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: top attorneys. She's one of the top Republican attorneys in 203 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: the country. She's a co chair of the Republican National 204 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: Lawyers Association. Well, she's representing The Daily Wire, the lead 205 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: plaintiff and challenging Joe Biden's employer vaccine mandate. She's also 206 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: defending Project Veritas UH the CEO and founder James O'Keeffe 207 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: against the FBI's witch hunt, where we're going to get 208 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: into that too. So it's gonna be a great show. 209 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: Lots to talk to her about. She's brilliant. I'm so 210 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: excited to be able to have the chance to interview 211 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: her to stick around. So I'm really excited to have 212 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,599 Speaker 1: her meet on the show. She is one of the 213 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: top Republican lawyers in the country. She is a certified 214 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: badass and I I love her. She's awesome, you know Hermy. 215 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: We look at what's happening with oshow right now. They 216 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: have temporary or at least it looks like they're stopping 217 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: implementation of Joe Biden's mandate for private sector employees. You're 218 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: leading the charge, leading a lawsuit on behalf of the 219 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: Daily Wire. You know what is this mean moving forward? 220 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: The Daily Wire lawsuit was the first in the nation 221 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: to be filed in UM in the sixth Circuit. I 222 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: think we might be the first in the nation, period, 223 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: but there's some debate about that. And in any event, 224 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: Daily Wire has employees all over the United States, but 225 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: at least a hundred, so they're going to be affected 226 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: by this vaccine mandate if it goes into effect. And 227 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: while almost all the people at the Daily Wire and 228 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: their executives are vaccinated by choice, they don't believe it's 229 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: their business to get into their employees personal healthcare choices. 230 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: And that's kind of the exact same place Ian as 231 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: an employer as well. So I'm so proud to be 232 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: representing them and making this challenge to various aspects of 233 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: this mandate. Number One, we don't believe the situation is 234 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: an emergency within the theories that exist for this type 235 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: of an emergency rulemaking that doesn't have input from the public. Um. Secondly, 236 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: we don't think that Congress ever delegated to OSHA, and 237 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: the first place, the right to mandate healthcare decisions of workers. 238 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: You know, OSHA is supposed to be Occupational Safety and Health, 239 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: and effectively, what the government is doing without any due 240 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: process is classifying non vaccinated Americans, even those of us 241 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: who may have natural immunity, as you know, workplace toxic substances, 242 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: which is crazy and not what the statute intended. And 243 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: so I think that that's, you know, among the reasons 244 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 1: that we challenge it, and we feel very good about 245 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: our bases. We are joined by numerous attorneys general in 246 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: the United States have filed in multiple circuits UH to 247 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: challenge the right of the federal government to do this, 248 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: because the federal government doesn't have police power over workplaces 249 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: like this other than very narrowly prescribed circumstances. So, um, 250 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: what's happening right now in this case, LISA is like 251 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: a kind of a very interesting two lawyers procedural free 252 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: for all. Um. The folks in Texas got got out 253 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: ahead and got to stay, got an injunction temporary stay 254 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: in the Fifth Circuit, But all of the cases in 255 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: the country have currently been transferred to the Sixth Circuit, 256 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: where we're the leading case, and now people are jockeying 257 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: for position there as to what exactly we're going to 258 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: do with respect to UM how quickly we get this 259 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: up to the top review. And so, what I think 260 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: is at stake here, Lisa, is not just if you're 261 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: a vaccinated person, why should you care? But what about 262 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: the next drug? What about regulating What about the federal 263 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: government forcing your employer to regulate your reproductive choices or 264 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: your intake of sugary foods or smoking or other choices 265 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: that you may make. It's really not the federal government 266 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: never has never had the power to do that. It 267 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: shouldn't have the power to do that. It certainly shouldn't 268 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: have the power to do that on the whim of 269 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: an adult president. And that's really what's at stake in 270 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: this case, you know, and we've usha has now said 271 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: that they have stopped implementation because of that stay. What 272 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: does this mean for your case? What does that mean 273 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: moving forward? They have stopped implementation temporarily. However, we fully 274 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: expect the government in the next you know, even as 275 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: we speak, are probably typing up their papers to set 276 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: aside that stay. And so it really means nothing. It 277 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: means temporarily that they're going to obey the court order 278 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: until they can get that court order satisfide. UH. The 279 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: government has put all of its UH credibility behind this 280 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: particular issue. UM. But I note I know at least 281 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: so that they did the same thing with respect to UM. 282 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: You may recall that sort of eviction moratorium. They also 283 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: claimed that that was a you know, emergency sort of 284 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: national health issue and they had to deal with it 285 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: because of the emergency aspects of it, and and the 286 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: court Supreme Court said no, it isn't so, UM, I 287 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: think that they're they're really picking some foolish, foolish fights here. 288 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: And the number of like half the governors in the 289 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: country have the states in the country are are are 290 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: standing in court it saying this is not not not 291 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: your not your not your thing to do. If we 292 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: want to do it in our state, we can do 293 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: it and then we'll fight about it at the state level, 294 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: but it's really not your place to do this at 295 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: the federal level. But do you do you think the 296 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: intent is because they by administration has to know that 297 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: they don't have solid footing here, right because you can't 298 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: argue that you know, one everyone spreads COVID, right, this 299 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: is this is known that vaccinated, unvaccinated, every people with 300 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: natural vaccinated exactly a natural people with natural immunity. It's 301 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: been shown that potentially, you know, have a less likelihood 302 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: of passing the virus on than even potentially vaccinated people. 303 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: So there's really no basis of the case. They have 304 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: to know this, So I mean as the whole purpose 305 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: to try to then just push employers to do it, 306 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: even knowing that you know, ultimately the outcome of this 307 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: case is not going to be in their favor. But hey, 308 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: what they've done is put pressure on employers to act 309 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: in the way that they want. I think there are 310 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: a few things going on here. I think one of 311 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: the things going on here is just fer political uh, 312 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: you know, opportunism to change the subject from other policy 313 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: debacles of the Biden administration, uh, and the president that's 314 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: looking very weak, a president who's numbers are catastrophically low 315 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,479 Speaker 1: for Democrats. I think they want to change the subject 316 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: to something they think is popular, but it's vaccination is popular. 317 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: Vaccination is popular in the country, which is demonstrated by 318 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: the fact that the majority, the vast majority of adults 319 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: have chosen to get vaccinated, So there's actually no emergency 320 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: here that requires this, And I think what's what What 321 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: is also going on is indeed, as I articulated, a 322 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: precedent to use American employers, not the government, but force 323 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: American employers to force policy choices on employees. And they're 324 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: being effective in that. So, regardless of whether this vaccine 325 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: mandated shut down or not, a lot of employers have 326 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: already used that as an excuse to impose their will 327 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: on their employees. And you know, for every benevolent employer 328 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: out there, like the Daily Wire and the dozens of 329 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: others who filed suit, or like a small firm like mine, 330 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: there are a lot more big corporate employers who actually 331 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: want to be able to discriminate against people on the 332 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: basis of their medical choices. I mean, let's face it, 333 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: we have discrimination laws in this country because a lot 334 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: of employers thought it was perfectly fined and not hire 335 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: people to disabilities, old people, women, etcetera. And I'm in 336 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: favor of those discrimination laws because they ultimately make our 337 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: economy um much safer for people. But now you're setting 338 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: up an apartheid in our economy between people who make 339 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: their private medical choices, which are by the way, very 340 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 1: well based on science. I mean, this is a brand 341 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: new vaccine. It isn't even a year old. We don't 342 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: know the long term effect. We do know the long 343 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: term effect. We do know the short term effects on 344 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: younger people can be a higher risk of myocarditis and 345 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: other things like that. We simply don't know. And it's 346 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: perfectly legitimate personal choice for people to wait the cost 347 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: and benefit and say I would rather wait until I 348 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: know more about this. UM. Instead, employers are forcing it 349 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: down the throat to so many Americans. I mean, I 350 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: hardly have time to sleep just answering the phones of 351 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: Americans begging for help over their employers firing them. So 352 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: to be very clear, people keep asking me the question, 353 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: what if the ocean mandate has struck down, am I safe? 354 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: The answer is no, your employer, under current federal law 355 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: and state laws around the country most states that is, 356 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: still has the right to require you to be vaccinated 357 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: as a condition of your employment. UM. This is wrong. 358 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: This is troubling. Republicans, by the way, over the years, 359 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: have become the party of big business, and big business 360 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: likes this. Big business likes uniform rules. Big business likes 361 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: to not have to make exceptions for people's religion or 362 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: people's medical issues, and so I think it is really 363 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: high time that we look at making sure that we 364 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: return to being the party of we the people and 365 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: not with the multinational corporation. So I agree with that. 366 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: And then too, I mean, are these employers are they 367 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: shielded because there is there is risk involved with the vaccine. 368 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, You've got countries that are halting, putting restrictions 369 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: on the Madurana vaccine. We have seen death deaths actually 370 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: substantially more than vaccines past if you look at their 371 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: So I mean there is a risk element to this. 372 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: So do employers if they force someone to go out 373 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: and get a vaccine there's vaccine injury, does that employee 374 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: have any recourse? You know, our federal laws for many 375 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: years have recognized that vaccines have played a beneficial role 376 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: in public health, dating back to polio and small fox 377 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: before that. And so the way that the government has 378 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: chosen to handle that in this country, and in fact 379 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: in many countries, is that there's a federal Vaccine Injury 380 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: Trust Fund that's administered by its own board. And that's 381 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: really how we get um drug companies to produce these 382 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: vaccines as we shield them from my ability. And similarly, 383 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: you know the laws that have similarly literally really not 384 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: imposed liability on employers who require this because the illegal 385 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: analysis is, well, they aren't really requiring you to do it. 386 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 1: You certainly have a choice or choices to go find 387 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: another job. So nobody's really forcing you to do this vaccination. 388 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: You can go find another job. But but that's why 389 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: I come back to saying, that's why big the this 390 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: is like this because in the regime where big businesses 391 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: can demand that you get vaccinated, but small businesses don't 392 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: have to do that. Um, which is currently kind of 393 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: the ocean setup. Uh. You know, people will be able 394 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: to change jobs, they'll be able to go to another employer. 395 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: So um, where everybody has to get it done or 396 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: under a under a federal ocean mandate, all big businesses 397 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: have to get it done. All of a sudden, you 398 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: have no choices. Let's say, you know, if you're a lawyer, 399 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: you can work for a small law firm and that 400 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: isn't covered. But if you're a software programmer that's doing 401 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: you know, certain high level programming, you can't go work 402 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: for a smaller employer. All the employers in your field 403 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: are big employers, and so you're you're all of a 404 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: sudden out of a job permanently. Um. So that that 405 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: lessons competition and employment as well. So you could have 406 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: a Daily Wire, a great journalism outfit, and you could 407 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: have you know, some some television network. They could compete 408 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: because Daily Wire, without this ocean mandate, could say, hey, 409 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: come on down, we respect the choices of our employers. 410 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: Whereas if it is a one size fits all, a 411 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: federal law that requires all employers to dance to this 412 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: tune of whatever the fat of the day is, um, 413 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,719 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, there is no mobility for the workers. 414 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: So there's just some some profound implications of these policies 415 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: that I think people are not thinking about. This is 416 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: not just about vaccination. It is about choice, It is 417 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: about private integrity, it is about states rights, and it 418 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: is about employee mobility. Well, and the irony is this 419 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: CDC even change the definition of what it means to 420 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: be vaccinated, where previously it was to produce immunity. And 421 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: this is just to uh, you know, they've lowered the 422 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: tier because essentially this vaccine doesn't do what actual vaccines 423 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: are supposed to do in terms of producing immunity. So 424 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: it just sort of, you know, prevents illness. It doesn't 425 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: produce immunity, as evidenced by everyone spreading it, regardless of 426 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: you're vaccinated or not. Uh. You know. So what was 427 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: interesting is the judge of the Fifth Circuit, Judge Kurt Englehart, 428 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: wrote that or he had noted that the White House 429 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: Chief of Staff round client his retweeted of an MS 430 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: ANDBC anchor, calling the use of the OSHA the ultimate 431 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: work around. You know, what impact do you think that 432 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: retweet had and what impact do you think just that 433 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: retweet could have moving forward? And sort of this admission 434 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: the retweet is the retweet is viewed as an admission 435 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 1: by the government that it was trying to get out 436 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: of um, you know, otherwise applicable limitations. And I think 437 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: it's very damaging and I think that it's going to 438 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: be featured and for for the court rulings on these issues. UM. 439 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: I think that Look, obviously I'm a partisan for a 440 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: client and many other employers who have called me about 441 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: this issue and so UM, but I think if you 442 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: even set aside the merits of this case regarding vaccines 443 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: and the need for them and all of that. You 444 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 1: simply look at the Administrative Procedures Act and limitations on Osha. UM. 445 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: I just don't I don't think that. I don't think 446 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: the government meets checks any of the boxes. It isn't 447 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: an emergency. In fact, there's been very few situations in 448 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: his three where Osha has been able to you know, 449 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: even has even bothered to pass this type of an 450 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: emergency um rulemaking. And you know, they haven't survived judicial 451 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: scrutiny because it isn't typically an emergency. And and this 452 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: is I think COVID is a very serious disease in 453 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: our country. Is it an emergency justifying vaccinating a workforce 454 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: that's already you know, seventy fiery percent vaccinated in some states. 455 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: It isn't an emergency. It's just it's just like you know, 456 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: peer pressure and shaming and and just feel good for 457 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: the government. And I'm not here for that. I'm not 458 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: here to make the government feel good. UM. So I 459 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: think that federal judges who are honest, steven, middle of 460 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: the road total judges are going to say the government 461 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: doesn't have this power. Now if if the state government 462 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: did it. Like, the thing that people have to think 463 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: about is we're all putting all of our eggs in 464 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: this basket of OCEA. A state government could do this 465 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: to you quite possibly. They could have hearings, they could 466 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: and they could make this rule. I'm afraid California is 467 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: going to do that, and they may not limit it 468 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: to people of a hundred, companies of a hundred or 469 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: more than may they may make it a much lower threshold. 470 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: So so that's the risk. So, you know, isn't everybody 471 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 1: shouldn't be watching the fifth Circuit or the sixth Circuit 472 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: as a you know, kind of the World Series of 473 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: Freedom because that battle is is played out every single 474 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: day at your local level and at your state level, 475 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: and we're not paying enough attention to that tyranny. The 476 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: tyranny that allows your employer to tell you what drugs 477 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: to take to keep your job. That's that's nationwide tyranny 478 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: that isn't affected by this. How much do you think 479 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: the fact that this doesn't stop the spread comes into play? 480 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: Because even if they could convince that it was an emergency, 481 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: the what to the you know, what they're trying to 482 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: prevent that doesn't do what they're trying to say, right, So, 483 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: like back in September, Joe Biden said, the whole point 484 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: of this was to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated, 485 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: to stop the spread. So how does that come into 486 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: play in the sense of the stated goal isn't true? Right? 487 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: Like it was built on a lie? Yeah, I think 488 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: that a court, it's so so court. So let me 489 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: let me just get into some inside baseball of the law. 490 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: Um for court to issue any kind of an emergency 491 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: ruling on this type of thing. You know, typically a 492 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: court isn't going to get into the science on on 493 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: such an extradited basis because there isn't time to have 494 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: a hearing, depositions and all of that good stuff that 495 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: we typically use to flesh out the facts in a case. 496 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: But a court can do what the Fifth Circuit did, 497 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: which is look at these law and assuming the best 498 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: set of facts for the government say, look, even assuming 499 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: the best set of facts, or you just lose on 500 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: the law. You didn't have a right to do this. 501 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: It's really obvious that you never right to do this. 502 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: We don't even need to get into the science over it. 503 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter the science doesn't matter, You're just wrong. Um, 504 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: that's the way we get relief quickly here, and so 505 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: I think that's that's that's what listeners have to understand. 506 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: But um, I think everybody has noticed by now that 507 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: the the the covid immune and people who had the 508 00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: disease and recovered are conspicuously absent from every criterion here, 509 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: be it at the employer level, be it at the 510 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: state level, be it at this ocean level. And I 511 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: think that's very curious, and that hasn't really received enough attention, 512 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: which is, you know, where is the lobbyist for the 513 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 1: naturally immune. There are plenty of lobbyists for big pharma, 514 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: There plenty of lobbyists for every other big business interest, 515 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 1: but there's no lobbyist for natural immunity. And and that's 516 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: why you weren't seeing that reflective in the law. And 517 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: that's a problem as well, because those people. You know, 518 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: I'm not wishing COVID on anybody, but anybody who had 519 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: it is in a better position than I am. I vaccinated, 520 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: anybody who added is likely to we have better immunity 521 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: than I do. Well. In the arny two is we 522 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: never talk about therapeutics either, which essentially do the same 523 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: thing that these vaccines do, because again, these vaccines don't 524 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: produce an amenity like the CDC used to define a 525 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: vaccine and vaccinated. Uh so, you know, we also therapeutics 526 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: that do similar in terms of presenting disease, cutting down illness, 527 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: and things like that. But you know, her we look 528 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: at polaces like Austria where the unvaccinator essentially under house arrest. 529 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: How susceptible are we to that? Here in the United States? 530 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: The United States has a federal federalism system of government. 531 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: And as I said with respect to our analysis on 532 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: the ocean situation, and as I've said with respect to 533 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: you know, even even there was flirtation with even I'm 534 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: probably in the Trump administration some people faucies of the world. 535 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: How can we impose a federal rule on this? Well, 536 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: you can't. In America. Are our separation of powers built 537 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: into the constitution says that the states have police power, um, 538 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: but the federal government really doesn't except for very narrowly 539 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: circumscribed federal issues. And so I don't think you could 540 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: see that in in in there. But I would argue 541 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: that at the beginning of COVID here in California, we 542 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: were virtually even pre pre vaccine, we had a house arrest. 543 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 1: We weren't allowed to leave our homes other than and 544 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: for going to quote unquote essential activities. We weren't supposed 545 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: to cross county lines. At the beginning of covid um, 546 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: I went to court and filed seventeen lawsuits I think, 547 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: by my last account, to challenge those types of restrictions. 548 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: And if I hadn't challenged them, and a few other 549 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: brave lawyers haven't stepped up the challenge of who knows 550 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: what our current freedoms would look like as it is, 551 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: By a series of lawsuits and public shaming and thanks 552 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: thankfully some media throwing attention on these issues, we were 553 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: able to regain some of our liberties. We still don't 554 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: have them. We still have a we still have a 555 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: state of emergency in California. The governor just renewed it. 556 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: He's able to disappear for hall a week and you know, 557 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: go off for you know, ten days. God knows what 558 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: he was doing. But the rest of us have to 559 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: have to live under these uh emergency restrictions in mirroring 560 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: the second year of this whole situation. So this is 561 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: not a free country right now. Um, you don't have liberty. 562 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: You have governors making up laws with no accountability. You 563 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: of people saying that religion isn't essential. You have people 564 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: saying your small businesses are not essential. Um, you have 565 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: your employers as a cartel almost forcing people to vaccinate 566 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: when that's not essential. So I think, I think this 567 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: is the greatest civil rights crisis and crossroads in American 568 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: history right now. See, I I agree with you, and 569 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: just also just the discrimination and segregation we're saying in 570 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: society too, because I mean, as you pointed out, look 571 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: we're America. We have systems of checks and balances, and 572 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: I keep thinking, look, we're America. You know we're protected 573 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: from this. But you just look at what has happened 574 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: in the country over the past couple of years, and 575 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: you've had businesses that haven't been able to open, right like, 576 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: businesses have been shut down, people have lost everything because 577 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: of the government coming in and dictating to them if 578 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: they can or cannot open. We've had, as you've mentioned, 579 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: people across the country essentially placed under house arrest, in lockdown, 580 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: having to wear a mask, which you know there's studies 581 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: on all different sides of it, but you know, not 582 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: irrefutable that it does a whole lie. And it's just 583 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: you keep thinking, you know, what's happening great like and 584 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: are and are we ever going to get our freedoms back? 585 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: You know what concerns me as a development here is 586 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: the number of Um, there's just so many. But over 587 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: the last few years you've seen a few trends converging, 588 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: and I kind of you know, trace it back to 589 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: education in a way. Uh. You have hols of college students, 590 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: both left and right who say it's perfectly fine to 591 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: silence views that I don't agree with. That you know, 592 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: not just liberals doing that, as conservatives as well. Um. 593 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: You have people just being completely ignorant of of civil rights. 594 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: You have civil rights organizations like the A c. L U, 595 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: which I once belonged to, abdigating their responsibilities in that 596 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: regard and not standing up for the rights of people 597 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: that they don't agree with. We're not a liberal. Um. 598 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: You have Americans cheering tunitive jail sentences for people who 599 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: committed minor infractions stupid behavior in the capital in my opinion, 600 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: but not meriting more jail time than people who come good, 601 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: serious violent crimes in our country. Um, and and on 602 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: and on. I give every example, and everybody has become 603 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: very tribal, their cheering for their side right or wrong, 604 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: and not understanding that they are bigger principles that if 605 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: the tables returned, your situation could be very different. Um. 606 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: You know what if there's a Republican president who's in 607 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: bed with some drug company and some you know, flu 608 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: vaccine comes on board and it's a new flu and 609 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: the president and his family want to make money with 610 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: that flu vaccine getting forced into your arm. We don't 611 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: know that, we don't know the consequences of it. Um, 612 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: how would people feel about it? Then? I think people 613 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: would feel differently about it. I would hope. But but 614 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: it doesn't need to come to that. UM. And I 615 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: think that, you know, I think we're so scared of 616 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: this disease, which is a terrible disease. We've we've completely 617 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: stopped talking about how it came from China, how it 618 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: was possibly man made. What are we going to do 619 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: to protect ourselves from that ever happening to us again? 620 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: I I think part of all this ocean stuff and 621 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: a lot of the other things the president is doing 622 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: is just a giant distraction from talking about the real 623 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: underlying issues here, and so I don't know what the 624 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: answer is to this. I think civic education is important. 625 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: I am. I have a little bright light of hope 626 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: when I see liberal organizations, including the a c l 627 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: U stand up for let's say, the rights of a 628 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: journalist like James O'Keefe that is happening this week, that 629 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: that is a sign of life in our civil rights establishment. 630 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: But it's a very small sign of life um at 631 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: the same time when these same organizations do not care 632 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: about needles and drugs being forced into the arms of 633 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: unwilling Americans. You made a really good point about sort 634 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: of you know, academia and like what people have been 635 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: taught and sort of the changing sentiments of what it 636 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: means to be American, and like, we have these institutions 637 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: that are set up to protect us and to protect 638 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: our liberties and freedoms. But it's like what happens when 639 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: the people within those liberties are with the people within 640 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: those institutions no longer have regard for the law, and 641 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: you have judges don't really have a regard for the 642 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: constitution or or law, you know, So it just seems 643 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: like we've seen this mass erosion in part, as you mentioned, 644 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: because of these changing sentiments about what it means to 645 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: be American or what it means to be free or 646 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: have liberty. And so it's like, you know, even though 647 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 1: our institutions are built to last, what about you know, 648 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: the people with inside them changing them to such a 649 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: degree and not honoring those traditions and those beliefs and 650 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: those you know, what our nation was founded upon. Well, 651 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: I don't have any of us the answers for this. 652 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: I don't know how we get back there, uh to 653 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: where we have some common agreements and understandings. We may 654 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: disagree about the details, but we agree fundamentally that this 655 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: is a wonderful country, that we have some fresh principles 656 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: that are worth fighting for, that we can agree to 657 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: disagree with our enemies, but agree on certain principles. Um, 658 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: you know, we've kind of lost that, and I think 659 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: in a very few short years, and I really blame 660 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: the leadership of the Democratic Party for that. Um. Republicans 661 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: are wave pretty broad spectrum of views. We have. We 662 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: have Lazy Graham and and you know Mitt Romney willing 663 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: to rubber stamp any judge who Joe Biden puts up. 664 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: They they're they're they're fighting some Marcus of Queensberry gentleman's 665 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 1: rules from the eighteen hundreds and and and the left 666 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: is not fighting that same game. The left is tearing 667 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: down our institutions. The left is denying decent people like 668 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: Judge Cavanall. If you're hearing the left is um is 669 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,280 Speaker 1: shattering our institutions. The left is trying to take your children, 670 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: and and and erase gender, a race history, for race, 671 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: legal norms, a race facts in the name of remaking 672 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: society in their uh idolatrist image. Um. And So I'm 673 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 1: not saying we should do that. To be very clear, 674 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: there're quite a few conservatives were saying we should do 675 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: the same thing. Let us fight fire with fire, let 676 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,879 Speaker 1: us have the odd principld Olynsky. Iight, you know, insane people. 677 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to live in that old either, But 678 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: I think we have to somehow work on the reasonable 679 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: middle and bring them around to our side. I mean, 680 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: you know, we did take some political success in Virginia 681 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 1: by a very nimble candidate, Glenn Young Cain, who I 682 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 1: you know, I was very impressed with the way he 683 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,720 Speaker 1: was able to pivot and sees on this important cultural 684 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: issue of the schools being corrupt and attempting to cover 685 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: up sexual assaults by a transgender student and other issues 686 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: of indoctrination. That was that was smart and savvy, and 687 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: we see common ground. Um, we see common ground with 688 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 1: people care about their children. So I think this party, 689 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: the Republican party, needs to get away from worrying about 690 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: so much. You know, the salt tax, for example. You know, 691 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: the salt tax benefits you know, cutting the salt tax 692 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: benefits people in lying come bracket. That's great, but you know, 693 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: let's let's focus on the issues that affect a lot 694 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: more Americans, bread and butter issues, first principles issues, fundamental issues, 695 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: and less of out tax breaks for the rich. No, 696 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: I agree with that. And you know, the left does 697 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 1: play by a completely different ball grame. I mean, they're 698 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 1: willing to call people like Winsome Sears a white supremacist 699 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: so or accused someone like Brett Kavanaugh of gang rate basisally. 700 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: So they definitely play in a whole different arena than 701 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: Republicans do. Let's take a quick commercial break and then 702 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,479 Speaker 1: we're going to get to the project. Their TOAs story 703 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,240 Speaker 1: you know, I do want to get to this project 704 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: fair toss. Okay, So, the FBI rated James O'Keeffe's residents 705 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: and the residencies of associates of his because of an 706 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 1: alleged diary belonging to Biden's tider daughter which ended up 707 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: in their hands. You know, what's the backstory with this? 708 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 1: What do people need to know if they haven't been 709 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: paying attention to it? Sort of give us the one 710 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 1: on one. The one on one is a year ago 711 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 1: before the election, in October of last year, as they do, 712 00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: tipsters called the Project Veritas um chipline and told them, 713 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: you know company that the journalism outset, that they had 714 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: Ashley Biden's diary which was abandoned in a in a 715 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: place that the tipsters were staying after Ashley Biden stayed there. 716 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: So UM our client Project Veritas, as they said publicly, 717 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 1: they negotiated with these tipsters through lawyers and they reached 718 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: an agreement with those um tipsters that they would evaluate 719 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: this diary. They brought the rights to they evaluated it, 720 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 1: They contacted the Biden campaign. The Biden campaign refused to 721 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: authenticate the diary. UM they reached out to a phone 722 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,919 Speaker 1: number they were told was for Ashley Biden. The person 723 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: who answered the phone would not verify that she had 724 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,880 Speaker 1: a diary and that the diary was what was being described. 725 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: There was a phone call with a lawyer for Ashley Biden, 726 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,879 Speaker 1: a prominent liberal Democratic lawyer in DC in New York rather, 727 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,399 Speaker 1: who said, you know, give it back, and our client said, 728 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: is is that is? It's your client's property. Do you 729 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,359 Speaker 1: have identified They would not answer that. So our client, 730 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: unable to authenticate this document, decided to turn it over 731 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: to local police in Florida, where the diary was allegedly found. 732 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,720 Speaker 1: And that took place on election day a year agover, 733 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 1: a year ago, now year into week, fast forward to 734 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: like almost a year later, and suddenly there's a grand 735 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,359 Speaker 1: jury convened in New York South Industrict of New York, 736 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,760 Speaker 1: and our client gets a grand jury subpoena and it promptly, 737 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,359 Speaker 1: you know, reaches out through council and says, hi, here 738 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: we are. We're happy to you know, discuss with you 739 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:43,800 Speaker 1: what you need. And we could talk about giving you 740 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 1: what you need with the conclines, with the First Amendment 741 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 1: or whatever. The conversation never got beyond high. I'm your lawyer, 742 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: I'm the lawyer. How can I help you? And so 743 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: issuing a search warrant for the homes of journalists is 744 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 1: an extraordinary to do in America, and the United States 745 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,760 Speaker 1: Department of Justice guidelines say that it is only supposed 746 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,439 Speaker 1: to be done in very very rare circumstances that don't 747 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 1: apply here. Ignoring those guidelines and ignoring the federal constitutional 748 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: cases that have come out regarding even a journalist possession 749 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 1: of stolen property, which is perfectly legal as long as 750 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: a journalistic in themselves had a hand in stealing it, 751 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: are still with themselves. The d o J got these 752 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 1: search warrants for two Project Veritas Forward journalists answer James o'teeth, 753 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 1: they were executed two days apart um, and The New 754 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: York Times was clearly tipped off to these two searches. 755 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: The New York Times called for comment within minutes of 756 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,359 Speaker 1: each of them, and no other journalism out that had 757 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 1: that information. So the clear implication is at the New 758 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 1: York Times got that information from the d o J. 759 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 1: So what's going on here? Our client doesn't have the 760 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: diary our clients, enemies and opponents and litigation. The New 761 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,320 Speaker 1: York Times are being tipped off to these absolutely excessive 762 00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 1: and egregious and unconstitutional raids on journalism's hall, journalist homes, 763 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: and UM. Now the United States Department of Justice has 764 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 1: multiple electronics in its possession, including two of James O'Keeffe's falls. 765 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: Those phones include they don't have the Diary on them 766 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: because the diary is is a piece of property that 767 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: was turned into to law enforcement a year ago. They 768 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: have Project Veritas has privileged communications with its lawyers including 769 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,320 Speaker 1: me I represent Project Veritas, and multiple lawsuits they have 770 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:36,799 Speaker 1: Project Veritas is sources. So all the tipsters who communicate 771 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 1: with Project Veritas a lot of information about them, who 772 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 1: they are, where they live, where they embedded, if they 773 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,360 Speaker 1: are confidential informants, Which big tech companies, are big pharma 774 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 1: companies or government agencies do they work in? So this 775 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 1: is incredibly damaging UM blow to and also probably people 776 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 1: within the government to write so so so government employees, 777 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 1: UH and and corporate people are are their names and 778 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 1: their confidential information if applicable, is on there and then 779 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 1: and then donors of Project Artas. Project Artas is a 780 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: successful ten year old nonprofit and it is able to 781 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:20,320 Speaker 1: do the journalism that listeners enjoy by virtue of donations 782 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 1: from the public, and Democrats had a history of harassing 783 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: and persecuting nonprofits that are conservative. We saw this under 784 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,880 Speaker 1: Obama and and it is really Obama two point oh 785 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,879 Speaker 1: right now, it's the same sneezy playbook that we saw 786 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 1: under Obama. So right now the government has that information. 787 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: So a federal judge, pursued to um my colleague Paul 788 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 1: Cally's memorandum in the court, has issued a stay on 789 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 1: the government's review of that information, pending a full hearing 790 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 1: on the matter. And what we've asked for is that 791 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 1: we don't trust the government, given the clear leaks that 792 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,400 Speaker 1: the government is doing to The New York Times, we 793 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 1: do not trust the government to review that material and 794 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 1: segregate the privilege information from the relevant information, if any. 795 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 1: And so we've asked for the court to appoint a lawyer, 796 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 1: a special Master, whose job it is to go through 797 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 1: and segregate out the the information that we find important 798 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 1: and useful. Um So, so that's where we stand. And 799 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,080 Speaker 1: as I mentioned a little earlier, I'm heart that the 800 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 1: Americans Civil Liberties Union, the Reporter's Committee for Freedom of 801 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 1: the Press, a couple of other journalism outlets, even the 802 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 1: Washington Post. Eric Wemple issued a story yesterday. Is a 803 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: media critic. He issued a story questioning this whole situation 804 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,760 Speaker 1: and whether the government had the goods. Unless the government 805 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 1: has evidence that James O'Keefe or Project Veritas themselves stole 806 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 1: his diary, or commissioned it being stolen, or participated in 807 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: it being stolen, the government literally has no case. It 808 00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 1: cannot get a conviction on the set of facts. The 809 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 1: United A Supreme Court case from two thousand and one 810 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,440 Speaker 1: called Barton Nicky versus Vopera makes it clear that it 811 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 1: is legal for a journalist to publish stolen information. And 812 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,320 Speaker 1: in fact, we have the Pentagon papers, and we have 813 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,320 Speaker 1: so many other instances in American journalism of exactly that 814 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 1: we have during the For all the criticism the left 815 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 1: levies at President Trump in all the years he was 816 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:28,480 Speaker 1: the president, I don't recall ever reading of a gang 817 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: of ten FBI agents g men showing up with a 818 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:37,160 Speaker 1: battering ram and handcuffs to Maggie Harman's home, to the 819 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,320 Speaker 1: home of Brian Stelter, or any of Rachel Maddow, for 820 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,759 Speaker 1: any of the journalists who clearly published and used information 821 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 1: that was leaked or stolen. Somebody stole President Trump's tax returns, 822 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,440 Speaker 1: they were published by the media. Nobody has been had 823 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,800 Speaker 1: their door knocked down because of that, because we simply 824 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: don't play those types of games. It's illegal and it's unconstitutional. 825 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,880 Speaker 1: So I think the d o J has a lot 826 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,239 Speaker 1: to answer for. And Tom Cotton wrote a very good 827 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:10,400 Speaker 1: letter on Monday of this week demanding that the Attorney 828 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,919 Speaker 1: General answer the answer these questions. What was your justification, 829 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,600 Speaker 1: what is the federal crime? What? How do you square 830 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 1: this with your own d J guidelines? And how do 831 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,359 Speaker 1: you square this with the United States constitutional legal precedent um? 832 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 1: And I think we're gonna hear more about this. I 833 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: think we're gonna hear eventually as this case unfolds, UH 834 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 1: that there was a political motivation here, having nothing to 835 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,240 Speaker 1: do with this diary at all. The diary is published. 836 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,799 Speaker 1: Some other organization published this diary after Project Veritas declined 837 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 1: to publish it. Some other organization published it, not with 838 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,680 Speaker 1: Project Rios assistance or help, and Project Veritas is not 839 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 1: happy about that. You can read the the Washington Post 840 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,680 Speaker 1: story about this. So what is this about? It isn't 841 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,800 Speaker 1: about actually Biden's diary, it's about something else. It's about 842 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 1: telling the American media and the American public that you 843 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 1: better not cross across the Biden family or this may 844 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,319 Speaker 1: happen to you. So every journalist in America right now 845 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,759 Speaker 1: that's getting tips was wondering, oh my god, if these 846 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 1: tips are unflattering to Joe Biden or his allies, is 847 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,879 Speaker 1: my door going to get broken down? And if you're 848 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 1: a lawyer, you're wondering that as well, because if the 849 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,880 Speaker 1: United States Department of Justice isn't going to honor the 850 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:26,799 Speaker 1: sacred protections around the press, are they going to honor 851 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,480 Speaker 1: sacred protections around legal privilege, medical privilege? I have no 852 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,800 Speaker 1: confidence in that well. And it's also, you know, scary 853 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,040 Speaker 1: because this comes with whistleblower documents that we saw where 854 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,480 Speaker 1: the do o J was in fact targeting parents as 855 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:47,320 Speaker 1: domestic terrorists. You know. So it does present this image 856 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,480 Speaker 1: that the Biden administration's weaponizing government. And as you've mentioned, 857 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,040 Speaker 1: we've seen this before with the Obama administration, they spied 858 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,480 Speaker 1: on reporters. They also use the I R S to 859 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 1: target conservatives as well. You know, So what's the justification, 860 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,880 Speaker 1: what's the what's the FBI saying what's the what's the 861 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,800 Speaker 1: DJ saying about this, like, what's the justification for this 862 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,560 Speaker 1: as as they see it? They haven't said anything publicly 863 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,600 Speaker 1: as yet. UM. The federal judge has ordered them to 864 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,720 Speaker 1: file a brief responding to our request for a special 865 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:25,239 Speaker 1: master by Friday. They have also filed a The court 866 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,440 Speaker 1: has also ordered them to file a response to the 867 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:33,040 Speaker 1: Reporter's Committee for Freedom of the Press's motion to unseal 868 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 1: the underlying search warrants. UM. And so they'll respond to 869 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,879 Speaker 1: on Friday, and we'll see what they have to say 870 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,160 Speaker 1: about it. But I'm very confident in telling you that 871 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:49,319 Speaker 1: my client did not steal the material. And and I'm 872 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,040 Speaker 1: not even sure it was stolen. Uh, you know, if 873 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,239 Speaker 1: if you're you know, I'm not here to dwell on 874 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,080 Speaker 1: somebody's personal misery. I think it's very sad the situation 875 00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,880 Speaker 1: of the Biden children, but they're troubled people, and you know, 876 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,399 Speaker 1: miss Biden Um is allegedly somebody who's had a history 877 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,520 Speaker 1: with drug use. It's entirely plausible that she abandoned her 878 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,319 Speaker 1: property somewhere. Uh. And so I I think this whole 879 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,880 Speaker 1: situation smacks of again political abuses. Well, there's also allegedly 880 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,920 Speaker 1: some stuff in there about her dad, but so I 881 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,840 Speaker 1: assume that might have uh but anyways, so it's been published, 882 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,320 Speaker 1: so you know, it's been published, So like, what's the 883 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,400 Speaker 1: what's the what's the urgency here? Um, you'd well and 884 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,319 Speaker 1: into that's still not a reason for the I mean, 885 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,640 Speaker 1: if anything, that just makes the FBI and and Biden 886 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,479 Speaker 1: look worse in terms of this sort of political bias 887 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,760 Speaker 1: and weaponizing government and law enforcement against a political opponent 888 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,840 Speaker 1: more or less. You know, so you mentioned the freedom 889 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,400 Speaker 1: of press. The director Trevor tim As you you had mentioned, 890 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,480 Speaker 1: you know, he had talked about that this could be 891 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:53,320 Speaker 1: a violation of the Privacy Protection Act. What protections should 892 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:57,480 Speaker 1: be given to Project Veritas under the Privacy Protection Act. 893 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,960 Speaker 1: The Privacy Protection Act again provides journalists with some you know, 894 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:07,400 Speaker 1: some statutory protection not constitutional, with statutory protection from unreasonable 895 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,480 Speaker 1: searches and seizures and you know them. I mean, I 896 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,279 Speaker 1: don't have time to get into every provision of it. 897 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:18,839 Speaker 1: It's like a whole other segment. But but but we look, 898 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,960 Speaker 1: the Bill of Rights has five you know, protections in it, 899 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,040 Speaker 1: and you know, most of the attention these days is 900 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,560 Speaker 1: on freedom of speech and freedom of religion. I certainly 901 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,759 Speaker 1: what I've focused a lot of my career on. But 902 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,279 Speaker 1: freedom of the press in the United States Constitution is 903 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,080 Speaker 1: born out of the fact that King George didn't want 904 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,360 Speaker 1: to free press talking about what was happening in the 905 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,440 Speaker 1: colonies here and about the Revolutionary War, and journalists were 906 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,759 Speaker 1: persecuted violently in the Revolutionary War, and so free of 907 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,120 Speaker 1: the press was like really high up there on those 908 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,840 Speaker 1: protections in the Constitution. And um, there's always a temptation 909 00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,600 Speaker 1: by people in power to um, you know, silence, silence 910 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,040 Speaker 1: their critics. And so I think the Privacy Protection Act 911 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,120 Speaker 1: has some good protections for journalists. I think they could 912 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,800 Speaker 1: be better. The United States Department of Justices guidelines issued 913 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,840 Speaker 1: in July of this year were meant to take a 914 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,760 Speaker 1: dig at President Trump. President Trump and his administration attacked 915 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,440 Speaker 1: leaks from their administration from the White House by sending 916 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:23,960 Speaker 1: subpoenas to some journalists subpoenas not search warrants, and so 917 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,000 Speaker 1: there was you know, questions asked of CNN and a 918 00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,440 Speaker 1: couple of other at New York Times, and you know, 919 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,480 Speaker 1: and they were also told because of Grand Jury secretcy 920 00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,160 Speaker 1: to not talk about the grand jury, subpoenas and another 921 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,759 Speaker 1: legal process, and so they didn't. And then later this 922 00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,360 Speaker 1: sort of this summer, the d o J made a 923 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,600 Speaker 1: big fan fare of saying we are no longer asking 924 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,600 Speaker 1: these journalism entities to be silent about about this, and 925 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,320 Speaker 1: their freed from these gag orders. And then they issued 926 00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,759 Speaker 1: these guidelines, three pages of guidelines that say that we 927 00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,359 Speaker 1: aren't even going to issue search warrants two journalists any more, 928 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,400 Speaker 1: more subpoenas or any legal process to find out what 929 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,759 Speaker 1: they're reporting on. We're not gonna Yeah, We're not gonna 930 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,520 Speaker 1: do any of that. I'm not gonna do any of 931 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:12,680 Speaker 1: that unless they are suspects in a criminal case themselves. 932 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,440 Speaker 1: So what they are saying in rating James O'Keefe Holmes, 933 00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,400 Speaker 1: he must be a suspect. However, he has not been 934 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:26,440 Speaker 1: given notice under federal procedure that he is. Uh, he 935 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,480 Speaker 1: is suspected of a crime. And as I noted, the 936 00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,880 Speaker 1: United States, in my in my opinion, could not ever 937 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,760 Speaker 1: get a prosecution on any of the facts here because 938 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,680 Speaker 1: of the First Amendment, because of binding Supreme Court president 939 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,080 Speaker 1: that protects journalists who even if this diary were stolen 940 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,080 Speaker 1: and they published it. That is not a crime in 941 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,800 Speaker 1: the United States. They they cannot hold a journalist liable 942 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,959 Speaker 1: for that. It is protected by the First Amendment. So they, 943 00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:59,400 Speaker 1: I think, went on a fishing expedition. And also, as 944 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,600 Speaker 1: we all know, James O'Keefe and Project Veritas are repeat 945 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:07,280 Speaker 1: and persistent critics not just of the United States government 946 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,279 Speaker 1: but a big corporate uh cronies of government figures, of 947 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,920 Speaker 1: big tech. They have broken stories recently critical of big Pharma. 948 00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,560 Speaker 1: They have broken stories repeatedly critical of big Tech. They 949 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,440 Speaker 1: are broken stories repeatedly critical of Democrat administration and not 950 00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:29,320 Speaker 1: just Democrats. And they have consistently as bad flies in 951 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:34,160 Speaker 1: the press, um exposed hypocrisy, wrongdoing, live, you name it. 952 00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,319 Speaker 1: They've embarrassed CNN. I mean, you name it. They've gone 953 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,160 Speaker 1: after any anybody in power. And in one fell swoop 954 00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,560 Speaker 1: you can see a couple of telephones and you know, 955 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,279 Speaker 1: drive a heart to speak through the heart of a 956 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:52,319 Speaker 1: of a very potent journalistic endeavor. That's what the hope 957 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,799 Speaker 1: is here. But you know, they picked their own fight 958 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,800 Speaker 1: because this is not some fly bye ad outfit. And 959 00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:03,600 Speaker 1: James O'Keeffe has and Project Veritas have a team of lawyers. 960 00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,200 Speaker 1: There are over thirty plus lawyers listed in our application 961 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:13,640 Speaker 1: for a special masters. Communications with Veritas are on the telephone, 962 00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:19,560 Speaker 1: and um, we're fighting back. This is existential for journalism, 963 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,560 Speaker 1: This is existential for the right to criticize your government. 964 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,719 Speaker 1: It is existential for uh, you know, the sanctity of 965 00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,600 Speaker 1: due process in this country. And you don't bang down 966 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,640 Speaker 1: doors without problem, cause I agree with you. And then 967 00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,680 Speaker 1: you know, to how much information has the d o 968 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,480 Speaker 1: J already been able to obtain from his his phones 969 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:43,239 Speaker 1: and his personal uh you know information, So now just 970 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,600 Speaker 1: James have any recurt and what are they doing, Yeah, 971 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,520 Speaker 1: exactly when and do they use that then to target 972 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,680 Speaker 1: other Americans now that they have, you know, internal knowledge 973 00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,480 Speaker 1: about what's happened, like you know, are people going to 974 00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,919 Speaker 1: be fired within institutions? And then that sends the chilling 975 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,040 Speaker 1: effect too, because that impacts people wanting to step forward 976 00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,280 Speaker 1: and whistle blowers wanting to step forward. So I agree 977 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,480 Speaker 1: with you. It's a chilling effect from a number of degrees, 978 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,560 Speaker 1: from freedom of the press, from whistleblowers stepping forward to 979 00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,759 Speaker 1: you know, anyone who wants to stand up against the 980 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,200 Speaker 1: Biden administration. Right, we're gonna target you. We're gonna show 981 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,560 Speaker 1: up your home, We're gonna rate it, just like they 982 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,160 Speaker 1: did with the people involved with January six, just like 983 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,040 Speaker 1: they're targeting Steve Bannon, just like they've been going after 984 00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,440 Speaker 1: the Trump Org. If you stand up to the Biden administration, 985 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:23,840 Speaker 1: if you stand up to the left, they're going to 986 00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,560 Speaker 1: use the arms of the government. They're going to use 987 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,320 Speaker 1: law enforcement to target you. So it's a it's a 988 00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,319 Speaker 1: part of this broader, slippery slope that we're on as 989 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,160 Speaker 1: a country, even getting into some of stuff we were 990 00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,839 Speaker 1: getting into earlier with COVID, so just scary stuff. I'm glad, 991 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,680 Speaker 1: I'm glad you're working on this, hermy. I appreciate you 992 00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,239 Speaker 1: taking the time, keep up the good work. You are 993 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,040 Speaker 1: truly someone who's putting this all into action and actually 994 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,719 Speaker 1: fighting back and winning. So I appreciate what you do 995 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,080 Speaker 1: and I appreciate your time. Thank you so much for 996 00:54:51,160 --> 00:55:03,040 Speaker 1: having me, Lisa, take care yea m H list. 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