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Speaker 1: Morning, everybody, Happy Thursday. Have an amazing show for a

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Speaker 1: buddy today. Who do we have, Crystal, Well, a.

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Speaker 4: Lot to get to.

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Speaker 2: We've got a bunch of news on the economy, including

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Speaker 2: a FED rate cut. We've got cash betel and getting

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Speaker 2: grilled and not ecquitting himself, equipping acquitting himself that well,

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Speaker 4: English language is struggle of this morning.

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Speaker 2: Apparently, we've got a bunch of news with regard to

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Speaker 2: and we also have the cancelation of Jimmy Kimmel State Act,

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Speaker 2: we have a guest, Robert Mallley, who's been involved in negotiations,

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Speaker 2: you know, under the Clinton administration to try to achieve

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Speaker 2: So certainly a lot to get to this morning.

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Speaker 3: So Breakingpoints dot Com, if you can support us, let's

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Speaker 3: go ahead and start with the economy. As Crystal said,

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Speaker 3: let's put it up here on the screen. The Federal

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Speaker 3: Reserve lowered interest rates by a quarter points signaling more

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Speaker 3: cuts are likely. This was in line with expectations from economists,

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Speaker 3: which is why some of the market reaction was a

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Speaker 3: little bit more muted. But quote concerns about a job

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Speaker 3: market slow down, our overriding jitters about inflation in justifying

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Speaker 3: a pivot towards a shallow sequence of rate cuts, and

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Speaker 3: Jerome Powell expanded a little bit and his view of

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Speaker 3: the economy inflation, slow job growth, and potential stagflation.

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Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 5: My colleagues and I remain squarely focused on achieving our

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Speaker 5: dual mandate goals of maximum employment and stable prices for

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Speaker 5: the benefit of the American people. While the unemployment rate

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Speaker 5: remains low, it has edged up, job gains have slowed,

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Speaker 5: and downside risks to employment have risen. At the same time,

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Speaker 5: inflation has risen recently and remained somewhat elevated. In support

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Speaker 5: of our goals, and in light of the shift in

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Speaker 5: the balance of risks, today, the Federal Open Market Committee

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Speaker 5: decided to lower our policy interest rate by a quarter

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Speaker 5: securities holdings. I'll have more to say about monetary policy

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Speaker 5: after briefly reviewing economic developments. Recent indicators suggests that growth

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Speaker 5: of economic activity has moderated GDP growth. GDP rose at

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Speaker 5: a slow down in consumer spending. In contrast, business investment

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Speaker 5: Activity in the housing sector remains weak. In our summary

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Speaker 5: of economic projections, the median participant projects GDP to rise

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Speaker 5: one point six percent this year and one point eight

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Speaker 3: Important comments there about the job growth slow down, and

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Speaker 1: What they point to.

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Speaker 3: Though, is that if you look at after tax wages

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Speaker 1: More difficult than ever before.

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Speaker 3: Remember that we had in twenty twenty one or so,

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Speaker 3: at a similar wage. A lot of people are reporting

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I was thinking about that as well, and

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Speaker 2: we covered that, and you said that a lot of

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Speaker 1: But that's all you're eating.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty bad, exactly, and certainly an indication of where

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Speaker 4: I mean, it makes sense.

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Speaker 2: You have the stock market continuing to soar, backstopped by

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Speaker 2: there is a risk there. I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: But for now, anyone who's an asset owner, which largely

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Speaker 4: But if you already own a home.

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Speaker 2: Then you have that equity, you have that asset backing

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Speaker 2: these two directions, which is why you see these sort

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Speaker 2: of contradictory indications of where the economy is. Although frequently

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Speaker 2: and that's what Jerome Pal's comments really indicate. They are

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Speaker 2: We've seen the jobs numbers coming in very low, as

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Speaker 2: But there continues to be concern about the way that

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Speaker 3: Consumer debt is also a big problem. Right now, let's

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Speaker 3: Great Recession, they say, the national average FICO score has

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Speaker 3: share of borrowers are falling behind on car loans, credit cards,

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Speaker 3: and personal loans. Younger Americans in particular, are quote exposed

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Speaker 3: borrowers experience an average credit score drop of three points,

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Speaker 3: the biggest decline of any age group since twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: the way, if we continue on this, let's put that

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Speaker 3: just to show everybody where things are.

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Speaker 1: It's reached now.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the most unaffordable times in all of history.

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Speaker 3: If you can look actually at that chart, we have

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Speaker 3: calling it the twenty twenty five bubble. I'm still not

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Speaker 3: This a supply is just too small and the demand

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Speaker 3: So is it a bubble per se? Like, I'm not

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Speaker 3: still not going to make a meaningful dent in what

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Speaker 1: And it puts.

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Speaker 3: Tremendous pressure on people who are even potentially trying to

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Speaker 1: We can't leave.

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Speaker 3: They're like, we can't, you know, literally if we could

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Speaker 3: make it work. Those are people lucky enough to already

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Speaker 3: have a house. If you're already, if you're twenty seven,

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Speaker 3: twenty eight, you're kind of thinking about it. It's a

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 2: To go back to the credit score thing too, I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's a really troubling indication that people's credit scores are following.

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Speaker 2: So cash Hotel facing a lot of challenging questions in

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Speaker 2: front of a House committee yesterday on Capitol Hill and

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Speaker 2: not handling himself all that well. Questions about the investigation

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Speaker 2: right now into Tyler Robinson, questions about Epstein, questions about

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Speaker 2: other issues regarding the FBI. He has become this sort

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Speaker 2: of central character. Let's go ahead and take a listen

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Speaker 2: to some of the low lights from his performance.

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Speaker 6: Remembering your oath to tell the truth? Did you ever

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Speaker 6: tell Donald Trump his name is in the files?

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Speaker 7: I have never spoken to President Trump about the Epstein files.

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Speaker 6: Did you ever tell the Attorney General that Donald Trump's

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Speaker 6: name is in the Epstein files?

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Speaker 7: The Attorney General and I have had numerous discussions about

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Speaker 7: the entirety of the Epstein files and the reviews conducted

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Speaker 7: by our.

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Speaker 6: Did you tell the Attorney General that Donald Trump's name

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Speaker 6: is in the Epstein.

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Speaker 7: Files and we have released where President Trump.

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Speaker 8: Is in the simple questions?

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Speaker 6: Did you tell the Attorney General that the President's name

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Speaker 6: is in the Epstein files?

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Speaker 7: During many conversations that the Attorney General and I have

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Speaker 7: had on the matter of Epstein we have reviewed.

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Speaker 8: The question is simple.

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Speaker 6: You tell the Attorney General that Donald Trump's name is

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Speaker 6: in the Epstein files?

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Speaker 8: Yes or no?

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Speaker 7: Why don't you try spelling it out direct the alphabet

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Speaker 7: yes or no?

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Speaker 8: No, ABC, Director, sounds like you don't want to tell us.

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Speaker 6: Did you tell the Attorney General that Donald Trump's name

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Speaker 6: is in the Epstein files?

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Speaker 7: Why don't you try serving your constituency by general time

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Speaker 7: in this country and the number of pedophiles that are

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Speaker 7: legally sanctuary cities in California.

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Speaker 6: Work with you on that, Chairman, on that gentleman from California,

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Speaker 6: Did you tell the Attorney General that Donald Trump's name

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Speaker 6: is in the FC files?

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Speaker 8: Question has been asked an answer.

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Speaker 6: You've not answered it, and we will take your evasiveness

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Speaker 6: as a consciousness of guilt. You said you don't know

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Speaker 6: the number of times Trump's name appears in the files,

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Speaker 6: so it could at least be a thousand times.

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Speaker 8: Is that right?

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Speaker 7: The number is a total misleading factor. We have not

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Speaker 7: released anyone's name. That we have not released anyone's name

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Speaker 7: the file that.

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Speaker 8: Has not been credible.

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Speaker 7: Director released every piece of legally permissible information. You can

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Speaker 7: characterize the numbers however you want it in my.

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Speaker 6: Time, Director, it sounds like if you don't know the number,

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Speaker 6: it could at least be a thousand times.

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Speaker 8: Which not. Is it at least five hundred times? No?

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Speaker 8: Is at least one hundred times?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 8: Then what's the number? I don't know the number, but

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Speaker 8: it's not that. Do you think it might be your

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Speaker 8: job to know the number.

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Speaker 7: My job is to provide for the safety and security

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Speaker 7: of this country. My job is not to engage in

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Speaker 7: political lendo. So you can go out to the sticks

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Speaker 7: and get your twenty second hit and your fundraising time

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Speaker 7: to keep going. Reclaiming your time because the people of

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Speaker 7: California are being underserved by your representation.

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Speaker 8: Is not implicated. Why not release everything that involves.

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Speaker 7: We have released everything the President and anyone else's side

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Speaker 7: that is credible and lawfully be able to be released.

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Speaker 7: Your fixation on this matter and basis accusations that I'm

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Speaker 7: high is disgusting. Anyone that says that needs to look

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Speaker 7: at the stats alone.

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Speaker 9: The president has You've seen the picture of the woman's

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Speaker 9: body with the writing and the president's signature. The President

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Speaker 9: says that's not his. Okay, President says it's not his

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Speaker 9: the Republican colleagues say it's not his. The administration say

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Speaker 9: it's not his. Will you be opening up an investigation

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Speaker 9: into the Epstein estate for putting out a fake document

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Speaker 9: with the President's signature linking him to the world's largest

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Speaker 9: pedophile ring?

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Speaker 8: We open that investigation into that on what basis?

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Speaker 9: On what basis? They literally put out a fake document

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Speaker 9: according to the president, with a fake signal to forgery

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Speaker 9: of the President of the United States signature. That's the basis. Sure,

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Speaker 9: I'll do it, Okay, I look forward to that investigation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure we won't be holding our breath getting

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Speaker 2: back does.

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Speaker 4: On that one.

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Speaker 1: Crashing out man won't answer the question.

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Speaker 4: He's not even he's not even remotely artful at this either.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: He just like tries to divert and start screaming about

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Speaker 2: California and we're reciting the ABC's It's like, dude, and

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Speaker 2: we're going to get to some of the MAGA world

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Speaker 2: skepticism into the Tyler Robinson in based investigation, Like a

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Speaker 2: big part of why there are so many conspiracies proliberating,

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Speaker 2: especially like on the right in particular, is because of

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Speaker 2: Epstein and Cash Hotel being at the center of that

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Speaker 2: and losing all credibility with anyone who's remotely paying attention.

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Speaker 2: So that's part of why Democrats continue to hammer on Epstein.

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Speaker 4: That and you know, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean before Charlie Kirk was a sad fascinated we're digging

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Speaker 2: into that birthday book, which was quite shocking. Trump's thing

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Speaker 2: in there actually being one of the less shocking things, amazingly,

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Speaker 2: But you know, there was a whole Epstein news cycle,

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Speaker 2: and there has been so much trust broken with people

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Speaker 2: who cared about any sort of accountability, justice, transparency, etc.

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Speaker 2: And that bleeds over into assessment of his handling of

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Speaker 2: anything else that comes before him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think really the takeaway from here is that

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Speaker 3: he's an idiot and incompetent. We saw all of that

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Speaker 3: on Tyler Robinson. We saw it previously on Epstein. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: not enough people put pressure on cash Bettel. There was

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Speaker 3: at a time when you know, I think he was

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Speaker 3: kind of precarious just because of his handling of Epstein,

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Speaker 3: but they basically let him get away with it and

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Speaker 3: actually manifest with the Robinson case. I do think that

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Speaker 3: the Epstein part of it, though, is very is very

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Speaker 3: important because it's set the tone for why should we

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Speaker 3: trust anything that you have to say. I mean, remember,

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Speaker 3: I think Ryan and Emily covered it yesterday when he

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Speaker 3: would testify that nobody had ever been trafficked by Epstein,

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Speaker 3: that there wasn't a shred of evident answer.

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Speaker 1: You're like, well, okay, I mean, that's.

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Speaker 3: Just quite literally not what you said previously, and you

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Speaker 3: can claim that you were totally wrong, which I guess

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Speaker 3: is kind of what he is claiming. But it looks

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Speaker 3: pretty sketchy in the context of everything else going on

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Speaker 3: with the administration. That is important context, genuinely for Robinson,

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Speaker 3: because as we're about to show you, he doesn't even

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Speaker 3: know anything about other high profile investigations under his purview,

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Speaker 3: like Thomas Matthews Crooks, the attempted assassin of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Here's what Cash had to say about.

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Speaker 10: That when you're president of set right there in that seat.

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Speaker 10: A couple of years last year in a committee here

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Speaker 10: and I asked a very detailed question about Matthew Thomas

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Speaker 10: Crooks to shoot her responsible for the assassination, to attempt

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Speaker 10: on President Trump's life. I did get an answer from

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Speaker 10: Chris Ray that day, and I submitted written questions to

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Speaker 10: the FBI and into the record of this committee and

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Speaker 10: I want to resubmit those questions today because I think

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Speaker 10: we are still awaiting answers to those questions. So, mister Chairman,

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Speaker 10: I like to submit some the record please. I'd like

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Speaker 10: to ask you, sir, in the FBI, under your leadership,

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Speaker 10: would you please respond to these questions and Kenny, you

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Speaker 10: commit to doing that.

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Speaker 8: As soon as the trial's over.

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Speaker 3: So did you catch that as soon as the trial

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Speaker 3: is over? Who are you talking about? Thomas Matthews or

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Speaker 3: sorry Matthew. Thomas Crooks is dead. He was sniped in

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Speaker 3: the head. It's pretty clear he got confused between Crooks

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Speaker 3: and Ryan Routh right the other.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's I'm giving damn generous.

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Speaker 3: At this point, everyone's like, wait, hold on a second,

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Speaker 3: what again, Crooks is dead? And remember this the actual

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Speaker 3: all the files and everything that he pledged to release

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Speaker 3: about the assassination.

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Speaker 1: Nothing.

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Speaker 3: We still don't know anything about Crooks, about motivation about

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's been no transparency.

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Speaker 1: They shut it down under the Cash Betel leadership.

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Speaker 3: It's still it's one of the most nuts things high

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Speaker 3: profile assassination attempts that's happened in modern memory. Of a literal,

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Speaker 3: you know, presidential candidate, former president. They got all up

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Speaker 3: in arms about it, and they haven't released anything.

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Speaker 4: So you know, this is already we do then we

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Speaker 4: do about him.

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Speaker 3: That's what I think Emily said it. We're like, look,

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Speaker 3: I'm glad he's alive, because if he wasn't it it's gone.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's all going to be under the rug.

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Speaker 3: The fact that they have to put him on trial. Also,

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Speaker 3: the fact that the state is putting him on trial

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Speaker 3: makes a little bit less room for screwery. But you know,

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Speaker 3: well we'll see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because my understanding is then the trial will be

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Speaker 2: public exactly where.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, federal discovery, it has to come out, you know,

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Speaker 3: the files, everything will be here. He either will testify

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Speaker 3: in his own defense or you know, even already we

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Speaker 3: know a ton because of a criminal complaint filed against him.

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Speaker 3: We know something, you know, whether it's true or not,

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Speaker 3: we'll get into there in a little bit. But considering

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Speaker 3: the way that this guy is conducting himself, you cannot

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Speaker 3: have confidence that he even knows at the very basics

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Speaker 3: of what he's talking about. And that fits here where

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Speaker 3: a congressman asked him about Dylan Roof who I would

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Speaker 3: just generally guess that anybody tangentially involved in politics knows

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Speaker 3: about Dylan. Dylan Roof is, of course the guy who

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Speaker 3: killed what He was a white supremacist killer. He slaughtered

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Speaker 3: what I think nine black people in that church right

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Speaker 3: in twenty fifteen. It was a huge moment, you know,

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Speaker 3: for the country. Remember Obama was at the funeral. I

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Speaker 3: mean it was everywhere anybody was even remotely, you know,

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Speaker 3: following the politics, I think would know who that is,

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Speaker 3: let alone the top law enforcement officer of the country.

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Speaker 3: Here he says he doesn't even know who Dylan Roof is.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 6: Dylan Ruth, who followed white supremacist propaganda, murdered nine black

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Speaker 6: parishioners and Charleston in twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 8: Do you deny this?

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Speaker 7: I'm sorry, Dylan Ruth Ruf Rufe. Can you give me

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Speaker 7: some more information.

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Speaker 9: You're head of the FBI.

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Speaker 8: You probably know this. If you don't know, that's fine.

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Speaker 8: You can give me a reminder. I've got a lot

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Speaker 8: in front of it. It was national news.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: The crazy thing is too that she doesn't just say,

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Speaker 2: do you know who Dylan Rufe is?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I mean, it would still be bad because he's that's.

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Speaker 2: One of the names is most familiar to people thinking

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Speaker 2: about these Pacific mass shootings, etc.

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Speaker 4: Adam Lands.

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Speaker 2: You know he's in that, you know, on that level

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Speaker 2: of awareness. But it's not like she just even says, like,

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Speaker 2: do you know who Dylan Ruf? She's like, in twenty

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Speaker 2: fifteen a white mash, a white supremacist went and murdered

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Speaker 2: black people in a church. His name was Dylan Rufe.

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Speaker 2: Are you aware of that? And he's like, I never

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Speaker 2: heard of him, don't know. You got to give me

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Speaker 2: more info.

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Speaker 4: I mean, what the like.

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Speaker 2: I guess one explanation is obviously the direction she's probably

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Speaker 2: going in is saying, listen, you're trying to paint all

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Speaker 2: extremists as being left wing. Isn't this an example of

661
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Speaker 2: right wing extremists? Here's the statistics. And maybe he doesn't

662
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Speaker 2: want to go down that path, so he just tries

663
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Speaker 2: to stop it at the beginning by pretending he doesn't

664
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Speaker 2: know who Dylan Rufe is.

665
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Speaker 11: But I think he genuinely had no idea, And that

666
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 11: is so insane to I mean, it is just like

667
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 11: so insane that we are being ruled by the dumbest

668
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Speaker 11: people possible.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I even from like a Trumpian lens,

670
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: because what does he care about?

671
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 4: Like the way you look.

672
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: And present on TV and like playing the part and

673
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: being out of Central casting doesn't exactly fit the mold

674
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: there either, which is why apparently he's under some you know, pressure,

675
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 2: and there's some possibility that he's going to be ousted,

676
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: but for now it seems like they're keeping him in place.

677
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: He has no faith certain I mean obviously Democrats Independence

678
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: like they're like, this guy is a joke, but he's

679
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: lost complete faith with the Magabase as well, So like,

680
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: what are we doing here? This is absolutely stunning, stunningly bad.

681
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: One of the craziest things I can say.

682
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 3: Twenty fifteen, Cash was a federal prosecutor in the DOJ

683
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: in the counter Terrorism Division.

684
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 4: Oh my god, how do you not know?

685
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: No, Dylan Dylan.

686
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: Ruf had federal hate crime charges that were brought against him.

687
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: Remember he's in prison. He's in federal prison. I believe

688
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 3: he's on death row.

689
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 4: Wow. And if you're like serious about.

690
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: You're working here in Washington in the DOJ and you

691
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 3: don't know who Dylan Rufe is, if.

692
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: You're even remotely pretending to care about domestic you know, extremism,

693
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 2: and you don't know the basics of that. It's just

694
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: what can you even say, Like, it's such a joke,

695
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: It's just such a joke.

696
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, just I'm stunned.

697
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, actually, because I knew, I already knew it was

698
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 3: bad with this, I don't even know what to say.

699
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 3: Why don't we get to the Candace thing? Because this

700
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 3: is a setup of what the downstream lack of trust

701
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: in cash bitel, law enforcement and all that generally is

702
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 3: showing where there is a huge amount of skepticism. Ryan

703
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 3: and Emily covered the text messages yesterday that were put

704
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 3: in the criminal complaint against Charlie Kirk alleged assassination Tyler Robinson,

705
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: and including these text messages between Robinson and his boyfriend,

706
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 3: and in those text messages he appeared to not only

707
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: confess to the crime, but also talked about, you know,

708
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 3: wanting to go back and retrieve the rifle. However, a

709
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 3: lot of people are focusing on some of the particular

710
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 3: language that is being used here by Robinson. Candace one

711
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 3: of the more high profile people questioning the legitimacy of

712
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 3: these messages.

713
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: Here's what she had to.

714
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 12: Say, Yeah, these messages are clearly doctored, is what I

715
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 12: would say. They're doctor now, they could decide why they're

716
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 12: doing that, and Tyler's being corporate forthcoming or protecting him

717
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 12: in some capacity. I find that to be unacceptable, Okay, unacceptable.

718
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 12: I want every single text message. I want timestamps. It

719
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 12: is conspicuous that you are not telling us when this

720
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 12: was sent, because it sounds like it's when the campus

721
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 12: is on lockdown and he's got to go back and

722
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 12: he's got a clamp. Then all of a sudden, we're

723
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Speaker 12: in the next day when his dad is getting clued

724
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Speaker 12: in after.

725
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 4: The picture has been released.

726
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 12: They're not telling us that, okay, And you have a

727
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 12: right to be a little bit uncomfortable about that, because

728
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 12: I'm a lot of bit uncomfortable about that.

729
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 4: We need full answers.

730
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Speaker 13: And as bad as this presented in Utah, I'm not

731
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 13: buying all of it. I'm particularly not buying those text messages.

732
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 13: It just seems too stilted, too much like a too

733
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 13: much like a script, actually a bad script that's.

734
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 3: From Steve Bannon and from Candace Owens, their allegation. I mean, look,

735
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 3: nobody really knows by the way, Matt Walsh many others

736
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 3: have said the same thing. What they're saying is it

737
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 3: almost looks as if Robinson is trying to absolve a

738
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 3: boyfriend of pre knowledge of the crime and of helping

739
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: plan it.

740
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's theoretically possible.

741
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 3: They pointed to a breaking bad for example, the famous

742
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: Walter White scene where he tries to absolve Skyler on

743
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 3: the phone. I wouldn't put it necessarily out of the

744
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 3: realm of possibility because if we're being I mean, look,

745
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 3: this is oh my own pure speculation.

746
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: The messages are a bit weird.

747
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 3: I mean, one of the things Candace, Yeah, one of

748
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 3: the things Candace brings.

749
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: Up is vehicle.

750
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: She was like, go in your text messages and search

751
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 3: for the word.

752
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: Vehicle, and I looked at it.

753
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 3: The only time it has ever appeared is whenever I

754
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 3: get a message from the service department of the car

755
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 3: dealer saying your vehicle has ready for service, or from

756
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: one of those spam messages from China where they pretend

757
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 3: to be the DMV right and they're.

758
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: Like, your DMV, your vehicle.

759
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 3: Right lost three area code, your vehicle has exactly your

760
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 3: tags have expired. There is not a single other reference. No, actually,

761
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 3: I did text my wife once about secret service vehicle.

762
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: That's what my secret service service.

763
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 3: That's the only that's that's the only time I've ever

764
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 3: referred to my car as my vehicle, and or sorry,

765
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 3: to a car as a vehicle.

766
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: We're not gen z either. This is a twenty two

767
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 2: year old who's saying, who's typing like and and you

768
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 2: know we had Ryan and Emily had Ken Clippenstein on yesterday.

769
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: You had spoken with his friends who said he was

770
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,959
Speaker 2: like pretty nonverbal, like he wasn't a very communicative individual.

771
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: And then you see the oh my love comma. That's

772
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Speaker 2: the thing that got me, is like the the full

773
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: on sentences and punctuation, because we're not imagining him at

774
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 2: a computer typing. He's supposed to be like on his

775
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: phone in the midst of what they're searching for me.

776
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 4: He just murdered some dude, and.

777
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: He's typing out these full on like sonnet and using

778
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,959
Speaker 2: all this FBI speak in terms of the way he's communicating.

779
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 4: And then the other part of it.

780
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 2: Is like it's very it's very fortunate for the FBI

781
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: that he fills in the blanks of all of the

782
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 2: investigation pieces, talks about the gun, talks about premeditation, talks

783
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: about where he left him, talks about the outfit. Change

784
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 2: this part at the end where he's like, remember when

785
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: I was engraving bullets with these memes.

786
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 4: Listen, it may.

787
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: Be legit, but I to tie it back in with Cash.

788
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 4: When you have Cash.

789
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: Btel, who is both an incredibly like you have a

790
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: politicized FBI run by Cash Btel, who's also an idiot

791
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: and a moron and incompetent, then yeah, you're gonna have

792
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: basically no one believing what you're putting out. And so

793
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: I saw this across the board, like liberals don't believe it,

794
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: Leftists don't believe it, MAGA doesn't believe it. MAGA series

795
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: kind of fall into two buckets. A bunch of them

796
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: think that the messages are just completely faked by the

797
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 2: FBI because Israel killed him. I don't see it the

798
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: evidence of that. Just putting that out there, that is

799
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: one theory that is being routinely floated. And then the

800
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: other bucket, And this is where Candace's theory is that

801
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: basically the messages are designed to absolve the roommate boyfriend lover,

802
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 2: and so that's why they.

803
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 4: Look kind of feel so strange.

804
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 2: To be honest, I mean, listen, I have to see

805
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 2: some evidence outside of just they feel weird before I'm

806
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: going to float.

807
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 4: Or concoct any sort of theory.

808
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: But I don't think it's like, I think it's very

809
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: reasonable that people are looking at this and going this

810
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 2: is a way a twenty two year old text.

811
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 3: Okay, well, someone said really strong seemschatchy. So for example,

812
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 3: another thing Candace said was search your text messages for retrieve,

813
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 3: so I did. There are three retrieves in my entire

814
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 3: history of having an iPhone so since twenty and fourteen.

815
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 3: Two out of the three are about golden retrievers. The

816
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 3: other is a friend of mine on a bachelor party

817
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 3: saying I'm happy to retrieve some zin. That is that

818
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 3: is the all mention in my entire test message history.

819
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 3: Message would be like, why are you using word retreat?

820
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: Calling his old man is like yeah, I mean maybe

821
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: that's a Utah thing.

822
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 4: I don't know that. You know, he's got in here.

823
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: He got the motive in, he got the premeditation, he

824
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 2: got the rifle details. Like again, it's this was very

825
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: fortunate for the FBI that they had this very strange,

826
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: tilted conversation that laid down everything and.

827
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 4: Filled in all of the holes in their investigation.

828
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: That was very, very lucky for the FBI that that

829
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: all occurred in that way.

830
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 4: So I don't know.

831
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: I had my my daughter, my seventeen year old, look

832
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: at it and she was like, mom, there is no

833
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 2: one that texts like and she even noticed things like, okay,

834
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: so a gen Z thing is to turn off the

835
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: auto cap so.

836
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Speaker 1: That at the beginning of you guys stopped doing so

837
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: at the.

838
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 2: Beginning of sentences. You know, it's it's not capitalized. They

839
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: see it as like an old person thing to have

840
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 2: your sentences capitalized. And in the text half of them

841
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 2: are not capitalized, and then half of them are. She

842
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: also said, you know how there's like there's ellipses in

843
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: here too. Now I don't know if the ellipses are

844
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: only where they like cut off, you know, because there

845
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: are the conversation is not reproduced in full. But she

846
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 2: also said those are like old people dots. Anyway, there's

847
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: just there's strangeness in the conversation itself. It's very convenient

848
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: for the FBI. And then when you add to it

849
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 2: Cash Batal being a political apparatic and an absolute complete moron.

850
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 2: Then you get across the board people being like, I

851
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: just don't believe it.

852
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 4: Sorry, I don't believe it.

853
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 3: Our producer Max says, calling it a squad car instead

854
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 3: of a cop.

855
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: He's onto something there. I don't even know if I've

856
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,439
Speaker 1: ever to use a term squad card.

857
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 4: So it's a play depth advocate.

858
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 2: Okay, this guy is a Mormon raised in the small town,

859
00:39:54,680 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: sheltered environment in Utah, and he's very high IQ potentially autistic.

860
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just speculating possibly or mentally ill, maybe

861
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit of both. He just murdered someone

862
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 2: I don't allegedly, I don't know. You know, maybe that

863
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 2: changes your communication style because it certainly doesn't fit with

864
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: other communications that were released, like from Ken in the

865
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 2: discord messages. But you know the level of adrenaline and

866
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: you did this, you know, in some ways on behalf

867
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: of your lever and you're communicating with them like if

868
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 2: I had to explain them in a non conspiratorial way,

869
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 2: those are the pieces I would put together to say,

870
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 2: well that maybe that's why, but certainly not very intelligent

871
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 2: if you were thinking that you were going to get

872
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 2: away with this to then go because he says like, oh,

873
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to take this to you know, I was

874
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: hoping I could take this to my grave or you know,

875
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: when I'm an old man or whatever, to then go

876
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: and lay out every element, constituent element of the crime

877
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: in easily discoverable text messages. So not the not the

878
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: brainiac move there.

879
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 3: Again, I reserve the right to be skeptical. I am

880
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 3: just I still think it's all weird. The entire thing.

881
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 3: It seems odd, it's potential, It seems quite plausible and

882
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 3: reasonable that he is trying to absolve his lover of

883
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 3: any potential legal threats I mean, or of any potential

884
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 3: like lead legal exposure. You will recall the governor had

885
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 3: said it did appear that they didn't know anything about it,

886
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 3: and that they don't believe at this time that there's

887
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 3: some sort.

888
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: Of grander conspiracy.

889
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 3: Still find that a little bit hard to I mean, look,

890
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 3: the circumstances are weird.

891
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: Like you had that guy in the crowd.

892
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 3: Yes, I understand he was kind of crazy.

893
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: I don't know.

894
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 3: I just find the entire thing a little bit preposterous.

895
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 2: They've given us no reason to have confidence in their narrative.

896
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say, because I have covered

897
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 3: this for so long and now with Cash at the top,

898
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 3: it's not just Epstein for me, it's Stephen Paddock. It's

899
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 3: I mean even some of the like the Pulse shooting, right,

900
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 3: San Bernardino.

901
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: What else am I think? At Parkland?

902
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 3: You've all day the ut or the Texas church, the

903
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: church where that guy came in and killed everybody, Like

904
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 3: in every single case that I have covered of these,

905
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 3: it's either known to FBI or killer is shot and

906
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: we don't really you know, say anything about some of

907
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 3: the previous you know, interactions with that person and the

908
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 3: level of cover up that usually ends up happening. Remember

909
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 3: you all day, right, I mean the Texas governor the

910
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: day after is like, oh, it was heroic and they

911
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 3: responded perfectly. When you could look at the timeline and

912
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: you're like, what the hell is going on here? They

913
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 3: didn't go on for go in for two hours or something.

914
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 3: I just I'm very sketched out by this entire thing,

915
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 3: and especially in the context. I mean, it's kind of

916
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 3: like nine to eleven if you think about it. The

917
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 3: official narrative was they hate us for our freedoms, and

918
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 3: that's why it all happened. That's why we need this

919
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 3: massive crackdown and we have to go to war in

920
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 3: Iraq and all of this, and oh the Saudi pages,

921
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 3: don't worry about it. There's still some weird details. Yeah,

922
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 3: I mean, you know in the nine to eleven Commission report,

923
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 3: right where they claimed that they found the passport or

924
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 3: one of the hijackers on the ground, I don't know,

925
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 3: all right, I'm just saying that's everything else burns up

926
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 3: in jet fuel, the passport falls on the ground.

927
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: Okay.

928
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 2: So maybe, to be honest with you, to me, the

929
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: thing that is most persuasive to me that these text

930
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 2: messages are real and genuine is actually that they are

931
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 2: so stilted and weird.

932
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 4: Right that it's like, that's hardly surely.

933
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: Whoever was crafting these would do a better job than this.

934
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,959
Speaker 2: And so I actually, like, you know, come back around

935
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 2: for so like they're so weird and so strangely worded

936
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: and so convenient, like it couldn't possibly be that they

937
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: would be this clumsy if they were actually formulating some

938
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 2: fake dialogue. But you know, like you said, I think

939
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 2: I think it's fair for people to look at this investigation,

940
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: to look at who's at the head of the FBI,

941
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: to look at, you know, the degrading of institutional trust

942
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 2: over years and decades.

943
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 4: If we go back to the.

944
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: Kennedy assassination and say, listen, maybe, but you're gonna have

945
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 2: to you're gonna have to bring me some more of it,

946
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna need to be more persuaded than this strange

947
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 2: text message conversation.

948
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 3: Ultimately, I completely agree. By the way, it's not just

949
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 3: right wingers who are all saying, oh.

950
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: No, it's across the board. This is very unified.

951
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,479
Speaker 1: I think it should be. It's weird. It's weird.

952
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had I think we had Brooklyn Dad Defiant

953
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 2: as an example here. By the way, Oh, you don't

954
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: know this guy is a resistance He's a resistance icon.

955
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: Shocked.

956
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 4: You know you hated.

957
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: Bernie and I've muted most of these folks.

958
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 2: Diehard lib Okay, I don't believe these text messages were

959
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: written by Tyler Robinson. For a second, I didn't know

960
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: him personally. I know that no twenty two year old

961
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: writes text messages like this. This feels like that's Steve

962
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: Bushemi's skateboard meme, how do you do, fellow kids? So, yeah,

963
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: it is truly a bipartisan affair. I mean obviously, like

964
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 2: liberals don't have any sort of faith in this FBI.

965
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 2: There's been a real sort of like conspiracy alignment into

966
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: the right where you know, some of the like conspiratorial

967
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: like crunchy hippie nine to eleven Truther types were part

968
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: of the RFK coalision and are now on you know,

969
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: in the maggot base as well. And so you already

970
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 2: have that impulse there. And then you have Cash having

971
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: just absolutely torched any credibility that he had with his

972
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: Epstein filing, And then you're asking people to, you know,

973
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 2: to accept things that seem strange where they still have questions,

974
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 2: and you know, it's good luck making that soulf