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Speaker 1: It's Friday, November thirteenth, twenty twenty.
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Speaker 1: classics that we dropped earlier this week, even though it
Speaker 1: feels like we dropped them three weeks ago to me,
Speaker 1: but we did drop them earlier this week. We talked
Speaker 1: to NBL broadcaster Liam Santa Maria about LaMelo balls game
Speaker 1: and whether he's worth the number one pick next week.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of fun. Tastinly did a great job
Speaker 1: with that one. Then we talked with John Hollinger about
Speaker 1: his twenty twenty NBA mock Draft spoiler every prospect sucks
Speaker 1: except maybe uh Halliburton. I guess is the one that
Speaker 1: John was high on. And then we talked on Wednesday
Speaker 1: with Jason conception on about leaving The Ringer and why
Speaker 1: he's pivoting to politics and binge mode and NBA Desktop
Speaker 1: and the time you pissed off Woes and Baby Yoda.
Speaker 1: We had a blast. We talked next with him as well,
Speaker 1: a lot of fun, so go check out that podcast
Speaker 1: as well. But today, guys, oh my goodness, we got
Speaker 1: so much to dissect here, and we're gonna play a
Speaker 1: little what you got, what's you good? What's Oh it's
Speaker 1: been so long since we've had that intro. I love
Speaker 1: those bars, all right, So many topics to tackle here, guys.
Speaker 1: First one, Russell Westbrook is seeking a trade from the Rockets.
Speaker 1: According to the Athletics Sham Sharanya, Sam Amic and Kelly
Speaker 1: Eco damn dream team right, there. Russ has been uneasy
Speaker 1: about Houston's accountability and culture and wants to join a
Speaker 1: team where he can have a rule similar to the
Speaker 1: one he had with OKC. James Harden, by the way,
Speaker 1: is apparently still committed to the Rockets, so we can
Speaker 1: get into the Rockets. But let's focus on Westbrook right now.
Speaker 1: He's got three seasons what one hundred and thirty two
Speaker 1: million dollars ish remaining on the deal. So but what
Speaker 1: you got task? You get us started? Weirdest Westbrook destination.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you three maybe you go off board,
Speaker 1: but Hornets, Nicks or Magic Westbrook on what are those teams?
Speaker 1: What you got?
Speaker 4: Man? This whole thing is weird? You want to talk weird?
Speaker 4: I mean this escalated super quickly. The first report, according
Speaker 4: to ESPN, was James Harden and Russell Westbrook not happy
Speaker 4: with the outlook of the future of this team, right okay.
Speaker 4: Hours later, Russell Westbrook says, you know what, not strong enough.
Speaker 4: I demand a trade. I want to be out of here,
Speaker 4: and James Harden says, no, no, no, I'm taking that all back.
Speaker 4: Very strange. Houston has to hope that Russell Westbrook didn't
Speaker 4: think that first message was strong enough he needed to
Speaker 4: send a smoke signal to the front office that hey,
Speaker 4: we need to do something to make this team better.
Speaker 4: And they got a hope that that's all that Russell
Speaker 4: Westbrook wants out of this and that he actually doesn't
Speaker 4: want to be traded, and that they're just sort of
Speaker 4: upset with the way that things have gone. That the
Speaker 4: two decision makers that aren't on the floor decided, Hey,
Speaker 4: I'm leaving this team in this offseason, Daryl Morey and
Speaker 4: Mike D'Antoni. That's what they got to hope. But that's
Speaker 4: not fun to talk about. So let's just get into
Speaker 4: the fun part. Where's Russell Westbrook gonna go? You mentioned
Speaker 4: Charlotte Orlando the Knicks. What's the weirdest one. At first,
Speaker 4: you gotta think Charlotte just not a match for Russell Westbrook,
Speaker 4: But then I thought about it. It's kind of like
Speaker 4: Russ being in Oka. See without Kevin Durant, He's gonna
Speaker 4: take every stink and shot yea. So it's similar to me.
Speaker 4: They wouldn't be great. They might make the postseason. They
Speaker 4: might they definitely get bounced in the first round. I
Speaker 4: think the Knicks it would also be a one man show.
Speaker 4: The team wouldn't be that good. I think that would
Speaker 4: be the sexiest for everybody. Everybody wants to see a
Speaker 4: guy making shots in MSG. Saw Yanist at the Goupo
Speaker 4: Share yesterday randomly his first game winner, which was in MSG.
Speaker 4: Everybody loves that. So I think that would be the
Speaker 4: best one for everybody involved. It doesn't matter if the
Speaker 4: team's good, but Orlando's the weirdest because there would also
Speaker 4: the would be expectations and there would be no shooting.
Speaker 4: Just like last year, this team just doesn't have a
Speaker 4: lot of shooters. You add Russell Westbrook to that, what
Speaker 4: are they going to do? Everybody would just pack the
Speaker 4: paint against Westbrook, against Aaron Gordon if he's still there,
Speaker 4: against everybody that they have. But there would be expectations
Speaker 4: because if he's playing with Nikola Vucevic, who is a
Speaker 4: former All Star, and Evan Fournier. I just don't want
Speaker 4: I don't want to be judging Russell Westbrook now in
Speaker 4: the next three years. Is he a good basketball player?
Speaker 4: I just want to watch hoops and I want to
Speaker 4: watch the one man show. So I kind of hope
Speaker 4: he gets to the Knicks. Orlando's too weird for me.
Speaker 1: What expectations hold on with the Orlando Magic? Hap with
Speaker 1: Westbrook on their team?
Speaker 4: Like playoffs?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, okay, playoffs? Yeah, wouldn't all these teams expect
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs with Westbrook?
Speaker 4: Ye, Orlando was a playoff team. Now you add a
Speaker 4: former MVP, the headlines are going to be former MVP
Speaker 4: added to a team that was at least made the playoffs.
Speaker 4: Charlotte Nicks are way off, So I think there would
Speaker 4: be some Hey, the conversation about being a five seed,
Speaker 4: a mid team five or.
Speaker 1: Sixty losing in the first round, just like he always has. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess you're right.
Speaker 4: But in the Eastern Conference there would be There would
Speaker 4: definitely be expectations for a guy who's MVP not too
Speaker 4: long ago to jump up into Hey are they a
Speaker 4: part of the second tier? At least that would be
Speaker 4: the conversation. I don't want to have that conversation.
Speaker 1: Okay, that is fair. These are all weird, So Tass,
Speaker 1: excuse me, Trey, what do you think if you had
Speaker 1: to pick one, what's the weirdest from these three?
Speaker 3: I'm with Tass here.
Speaker 5: I think that the Magic would be the absolute weirdest
Speaker 5: place for Westbrook to end up. It does make sense
Speaker 5: a little bit from a basketball fit standpoint, like Tas
Speaker 5: Is saying, you Gotvucevich who can at least stretch the
Speaker 5: floor a little bit as a big man, which should
Speaker 5: theoretically give Westbrooks some space inside. You know, there are
Speaker 5: definitely going to be shots to be taken if he
Speaker 5: were to end up on the Orlando Magic. But just
Speaker 5: imagining Russell Westbrook in Orlando Magic jersey with the pinstripes,
Speaker 5: it feels odd. It feels like Alan Iverson at the
Speaker 5: end of his career, and it feels like we're going
Speaker 5: to see this a few more times because Westbrook has
Speaker 5: this massive contract and it's hard to convince yourself he's
Speaker 5: going to elevate you to a championship tier with Westbrook. Well,
Speaker 5: while if you are a playoff team, if you're on
Speaker 5: the fringes of the playoffs, you can talk yourself into
Speaker 5: him as a guy who's going to be, like Tessa saying,
Speaker 5: raising the floor a little bit, the Magic would be
Speaker 5: more in the mix for a fifth or a sixth
Speaker 5: seed rather than a seventh or an eighth seed. But
Speaker 5: the Knicks isn't weird to me at all. It seems
Speaker 5: one hundred percent tailor made to bring in Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 5: The Knicks haven't totally been operating like they did through
Speaker 5: the entirety of the nineteen nineties and two thousand, so
Speaker 5: maybe things have changed. But an aging star on a
Speaker 5: huge contract at the end of his career, that's really nixy.
Speaker 5: As for the Hornets, they need a star. Westbrook has
Speaker 5: worn Jordan Brand's stuff for years and years. Michael Jordan
Speaker 5: is obviously the owner of the team.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 5: It seems like every player who ends up on the
Speaker 5: Hornets gets a jump man deal. At some point, they've
Speaker 5: already started at second base. If they pick up Westbrook,
Speaker 5: but man imagining him on the Magic, it's just weird
Speaker 5: to me. Also, all throw in here tasks. When you
Speaker 5: were talking about Westbrook being a one man show, I
Speaker 5: definitely thought you were gonna say everybody loves a one
Speaker 5: man show on Broadway. That's another reason why he would
Speaker 5: fit with the Knicks. But the Magic just feels so
Speaker 5: weird to me. It just feels like it's a retirement
Speaker 5: home Florida, you know. And if Russell Westbrook is going
Speaker 5: to the Magic at thirty two.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a long retirement.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing. Hell, we've talked so much
Speaker 1: about Westbrook. Everybody has like is he I mean, he's
Speaker 1: an all star. He's still good. He had like a
Speaker 1: stretch there lead with the Rockets that was incredible, Like
Speaker 1: he had one of his best months I remember ever
Speaker 1: for at least in a long time there. I guess
Speaker 1: was it January or February and one of those particular
Speaker 1: it's pretty good for both of them when they went
Speaker 1: super small ball, pokagarts all that. But also people look
Speaker 1: at it in the contract and go like Westbrook's a
Speaker 1: negative value asset, Like he's this point his career, where
Speaker 1: do you think, what's the weirdest spidan And I know
Speaker 1: you're not the biggest Russell Westbrook found out there too.
Speaker 6: Well no, no, but let's go back to why he
Speaker 6: was very good there for the Rockets for a patch
Speaker 6: this season. It was because he got rid of that
Speaker 6: three point shot and he was taking driving more into
Speaker 6: the lane and being active and using his explosiveness to
Speaker 6: still score. He's still got that, maybe not quite to
Speaker 6: the degree that he had in his prime, But that's
Speaker 6: Russell Westbrook at his best attacking the basket. At his worst,
Speaker 6: it's him settling for those mid rangers and the three
Speaker 6: pointers that he just doesn't have and he's never going
Speaker 6: to have now at this stage of his career. So
Speaker 6: it's really kind of okay, Russ, do you want to
Speaker 6: go to a team where you're potentially going to compete
Speaker 6: for a championship. If that's the case, then you have
Speaker 6: to understand you're taking a much lesser role on a team.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 6: You just cannot be the leader on that team. If
Speaker 6: you want to go and just go crazy and stack
Speaker 6: those numbers and stat stuff again, then go to the
Speaker 6: Knicks if you want and go to the Hornets. That'll
Speaker 6: work out there fine for you. And in Orlando, it's
Speaker 6: kind of like, what's the point then, you know, you're
Speaker 6: just he's not anywhere closer to winning a championship and
Speaker 6: it's just not a sexy team. Hornets of aren't that
Speaker 6: sexy either. But the Knicks is where we want Russell
Speaker 6: to go because that would just be a perfectation fan
Speaker 6: That's where That's where we just want to see what
Speaker 6: would happen there if Russ we're there. But I've got
Speaker 6: another one. I'm gonna throw out there. I'm just gonna
Speaker 6: throw this out there and see what people think, right,
Speaker 6: because I actually think again, Russell's best when he's on
Speaker 6: the floor with people who can shoot threes right and
Speaker 6: spread the floor, and then the lane open up and
Speaker 6: he can go inside. The Utah Jazz were one of
Speaker 6: the best three point shooting teams go on this season
Speaker 6: right this season, right now, if you think of all
Speaker 6: those guys Bogdanovitch and Ingalls and Conley and Donovan Mitchell,
Speaker 6: they all spread the floor, they can shoot the three,
Speaker 6: opens up the lane. Then for Russell Westbrook to drive inside,
Speaker 6: I mean he again, he's athletic, he's fast. I think
Speaker 6: that's actually, even though it's not got zero zero chance
Speaker 6: of happening, I actually think that wouldn't be a bad
Speaker 6: spot if again Russ was to accept. Okay, Russ, maybe
Speaker 6: you're coming off the bench. Even in this situation, there's
Speaker 6: no way he would ever go to Utah.
Speaker 5: You remember what happened with Westbrook and Utah, and now
Speaker 5: you're asking him to come off the bench as well.
Speaker 6: Mate, Hey, he had history with the Rockets. Let's not
Speaker 6: forget too. Before he went to George Houston. Now I
Speaker 6: know I said the zero chance of stands zero.
Speaker 3: H there's fans in the stands.
Speaker 1: Now, good point.
Speaker 6: I'm just saying. I actually think from a basketball fit,
Speaker 6: if Russ was prepared to accept a lesser role, I
Speaker 6: think that would be a situation where he's still competing
Speaker 6: for a championship there with the Jazz, because we know
Speaker 6: they're missing something. Uh, He's still going to get his
Speaker 6: opportunities there. Again, just because you come off the bench
Speaker 6: doesn't mean you're going to play less minutes and get
Speaker 6: less shots. You're going to sort of have to appease
Speaker 6: him in that way. But that's an opportunity for Russ
Speaker 6: to be like, Okay, you're not the superstar that you
Speaker 6: think you are. You're not the number one guy on
Speaker 6: a team anymore. But he's an opportunity for you to
Speaker 6: still be a very good player on a team that's contending. Again,
Speaker 6: the Knicks the horn is the magic and nowhere near
Speaker 6: winning a championship.
Speaker 1: The Jazz might be a playoff team, Like it's not
Speaker 1: even that's what I mean, that's they're not close.
Speaker 6: I actually feel with the Jazz he can he can
Speaker 6: satisfy both those things. It's not gonna happen, right, I'm
Speaker 6: just saying, hey, listen, I never go to the trade machine,
Speaker 6: and I was actually thinking like, where would where could
Speaker 6: Russell Westbrook fit? And I think there's a fit there.
Speaker 6: I know he's got history trade as you mentioned there
Speaker 6: with Utah. I'm aware of that, but it's like there's
Speaker 6: something there make it happen Utah.
Speaker 1: Well, that's funny you said all this because I just
Speaker 1: heard Simmons talk in Westbrook trades on his podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure someone would have to fact check me on this.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he threw out this lee a three
Speaker 1: team deal that you know, at its core had Westbrook
Speaker 1: and Utah. So you're the second person today to say
Speaker 1: this Conley and Philadelphia. Conley and Philadelphia to work as
Speaker 1: like the point guard, and I guess Horford making his
Speaker 1: way somehow to Houston. So that was sort of what
Speaker 1: Simmons was thrown out there. But I can't believe I've
Speaker 1: heard two people in the last hour and a half
Speaker 1: told me, Hey, west broken Utah. Now that's weird. It's
Speaker 1: next level weird because if you.
Speaker 6: Are Westbrook and you know, I know he said Charlotte
Speaker 6: is one of his had Atlanta too. Apparently. I saw
Speaker 6: someone said that he wants to come to Atlanta. But
Speaker 6: you know why, other than just to stat his numbers,
Speaker 6: what's the point of that at this stage of his career.
Speaker 4: I would him buy those rumors that he wanted to
Speaker 4: come to it.
Speaker 6: This is exactly what we want to do. We want
Speaker 6: to overreact to every roomor make a case for everybody,
Speaker 6: at least.
Speaker 4: I saw that man. I saw that man on Twitter.
Speaker 4: Just because a man has an avatar where he's wearing
Speaker 4: a tie doesn't mean that his rumors are legitimate. But
Speaker 4: he's I just yeah, Atlanta. It doesn't make sense either,
Speaker 4: Like why would Atlanta trade for him to hug the
Speaker 4: ball from tray out?
Speaker 6: Yeah? The only reason would be if because they've got
Speaker 6: the cap space to take his contract, if the Rockets
Speaker 6: were then to furnish it with a first round pick,
Speaker 6: which they don't don't have. Yeah, so that that wouldn't
Speaker 6: have But that's that's the kind of thing that Travis
Speaker 6: Schlank has done before with Camello. It's basically like, I'll
Speaker 6: take your contract, you just got to give me a
Speaker 6: first round pick for it, because we're not ready yet.
Speaker 6: But the Rockets don't have a lot of assets to it.
Speaker 1: No, no, they don't. They give up a lot of
Speaker 1: them to get Russell Westbrook. And I think we do
Speaker 1: need to dissect what this says about James Harden a
Speaker 1: little bit here too. But first to stick with Westbrook
Speaker 1: because you said it, Trying to come up with a
Speaker 1: trade for this guy with that type of deal is
Speaker 1: I mean, it's very difficult. You almost have to have
Speaker 1: a team unless you get in the three team deals
Speaker 1: and fourteen deals. You need a team that has so
Speaker 1: much cap space that they can sort of absorb him, right,
Speaker 1: a team of then you know you have that caps.
Speaker 1: If you don't involve that cap space, you've got to
Speaker 1: send back a ton of money, like thirty three million.
Speaker 1: So you got to start adding some contracts together. The
Speaker 1: Hornets one, they have the things that can make it
Speaker 1: happen because they have an expiring contract of what twenty
Speaker 1: seven point four million in Nicholas Batoum, And they have
Speaker 1: all of their picks. I mean, they've got this year's
Speaker 1: pick number three. Now you wouldn't expect them to move
Speaker 1: on from that, but I've got all their future first
Speaker 1: round picks for like, you know, the next six seven years,
Speaker 1: and they could you know, they don't have to match
Speaker 1: that entire salary. They could take a lot of that
Speaker 1: in like twenty million dollars in cap space, so there'd
Speaker 1: be some there'd be a deal there. But man, just
Speaker 1: so weird that you're right. I'm with you guys, like
Speaker 1: the idea of like Westbrook, Like I don't want to
Speaker 1: I don't trust where the Rockets are going here, be
Speaker 1: it ownership, be it. I don't like James Harden anymore
Speaker 1: because there were some reports, you know, they're getting into
Speaker 1: it at times on the floor, and then he's like,
Speaker 1: I just want to go get triple doubles. Man, put
Speaker 1: me back, put me in the Eastern Conference. Let me
Speaker 1: just rack up like thirty tens and tents for the
Speaker 1: rest of my career. I don't care and get and
Speaker 1: sort of like at least give a because one thing
Speaker 1: Westbrook does is he gives an identity right to a
Speaker 1: team like he does, and he sort of jams his
Speaker 1: sort of his mo to a team and can be good,
Speaker 1: can be bad. I mean, you're gonna compete hard. You're
Speaker 1: probably gonna flame out in the playoffs, but you are
Speaker 1: gonna beat compete hard and you're probably gonna put butts
Speaker 1: in seats when we eventually could do that. And he's
Speaker 1: a draw. He's definitely a draw. So but the Hornets,
Speaker 1: I mean, I you can picture him in these new
Speaker 1: jerseys and we'll get to those in a second. I
Speaker 1: think he would look cool, but wow, it'd be weird
Speaker 1: on any of those Eastern Conference teams. The Nicks, I'm
Speaker 1: with you, guys. It feels like we've been thinking about
Speaker 1: it for years. It's eventually just gonna happen. But Bobby
Speaker 1: Marks put it well them of whether or not they
Speaker 1: would want him, a good way to look at it
Speaker 1: is if he were a free agent this offseason Westbrook,
Speaker 1: would New York commit to him for three years and
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty two million dollars? Like, would that
Speaker 1: be a type of thing that they would be comfortable with?
Speaker 1: Because that's what he's looking at. And if the answer
Speaker 1: is no, then you really can scratch him from the
Speaker 1: discussion here. And I think that's here because like they
Speaker 1: could package what like Wayne Ellington and Bobby Portis and
Speaker 1: Frankney Lakina and Kevin Knox. Maybe because there's a young
Speaker 1: stud there, maybe that could blossom into something.
Speaker 4: Why wouldn't they do that? Why wouldn't they do that?
Speaker 1: Why would they have fair?
Speaker 4: What else do they have going for the next three years?
Speaker 4: The Westbrook Show? Why the heck not for a few years.
Speaker 4: If you want to be a bad team here for
Speaker 4: this twenty twenty one season, keep flowing, keep flowing.
Speaker 1: You know what's weird about that task? I do agree
Speaker 1: with that with a lot of these teams that we're
Speaker 1: talking about Hornets, Nickson and Magic in a normal year,
Speaker 1: but we're talking about a year where you're not in
Speaker 1: they're going to even have people in the stands. You're
Speaker 1: not going to obviously have to capacity. Some of these
Speaker 1: places may have zero fans out in their arena. So
Speaker 1: that part where I keep struggling with my mind. You're right,
Speaker 1: some of these like small markets or the Knicks, who
Speaker 1: are desperate for a big star. You'd be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll get the place rocket, We'll sell it every night.
Speaker 1: You know, he is a good player still, and maybe
Speaker 1: he takes us to the playoffs, whatever, but there's a buzz,
Speaker 1: there's not going to be fans. I mean that, so
Speaker 1: at least for a year probably, I mean, I hope
Speaker 1: we get to that point but I think we can
Speaker 1: all agree it's.
Speaker 6: Not full arenas full arenas anyway, that's a long way.
Speaker 1: I'm just adding that part to what you're saying. I
Speaker 1: sort of agree with you, but like that's not going
Speaker 1: to be happening, like that part where you sell it
Speaker 1: for arena.
Speaker 4: For me, that almost increases the likelihood of them making
Speaker 4: a move. Do you want just a dead arena and
Speaker 4: a dead market for a full year? I mean, it
Speaker 4: almost amplifies the silence when they stink uh and Trey.
Speaker 4: Trey already gave a nice little marketing point. Broadway is
Speaker 4: done until May. I think at least Broadway is in
Speaker 4: Madison Square Garden every single night. The Westbrook Show. It
Speaker 4: just it just makes too much sense. The Knicks love
Speaker 4: getting a guy who's shown his greatness throughout the first
Speaker 4: part of his career and then is sort of on
Speaker 4: the decline. I know, three years a lot for an
Speaker 4: athletic guy going deep into his thirty series thirty two.
Speaker 4: I guess that's not deep.
Speaker 1: But for how many how many how many injury knee
Speaker 1: injuries has the guy had or surgeries? I mean, it
Speaker 1: makes them stronger, so it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Isn't it just like a good year
Speaker 4: of Westbrook, maybe two good years of Westbrook because he
Speaker 4: was really really good this year versus you know, building
Speaker 4: it the right way. Maybe the next of turn to corner,
Speaker 4: maybe they maybe they go about it the right way.
Speaker 4: I don't know Leno's best.
Speaker 6: It just it would just feel though that if they
Speaker 6: did make this move that it would just be the
Speaker 6: same old Knicks, you know, like just just getting this
Speaker 6: guy who we know again he's gonna have that game
Speaker 6: where he puts up fifty eight against the team and
Speaker 6: you know, has twenty in the last quarter and wiels
Speaker 6: his team to victory. He's going to do that a
Speaker 6: couple of times. But ultimately, the Knicks will in a
Speaker 6: battle just to make the playoffs, and if they do
Speaker 6: make it, they'll probably get swept in the first round.
Speaker 6: And it's like what's the point. But again, like kind
Speaker 6: of like Tassa say, what's the ceiling for the Knicks today?
Speaker 6: You know, like about the same maybe they can get
Speaker 6: into the playoffs. So I mean, if you've got Westbrook
Speaker 6: on your team, at least people talking about you again,
Speaker 6: And like Network was saying, when he's on our show,
Speaker 6: he'll talk himself into saying that this is the right
Speaker 6: move if Westbrook goes there.
Speaker 4: So one other tough thing for the Knicks if they
Speaker 4: do have a schedule that's heavy against your divisional opponents,
Speaker 4: which it sort of looks like they're going to It
Speaker 4: hasn't been confirmed whatsoever, but thirty two games of their
Speaker 4: seventy two would be against division opponents. So eight against
Speaker 4: the Raptors, eight against the Nets, eight against the Celtics,
Speaker 4: eight against the Sixers. That's a tough division. It's actually
Speaker 4: one of the tougher divisions. So that's that doesn't bode
Speaker 4: well for us. But he'll make some headlines. He'll be
Speaker 4: firing away, he'll hit some game winners out there.
Speaker 5: What I've said, it's hard to find a deal for
Speaker 5: Russell Westbrook, but not for John Greenberg of the Athletic
Speaker 5: who within ten seconds of the sham Shranja report had
Speaker 5: the trade going Otto Porter and Fad Young for Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 5: The Bulls are in the playoffs if they make that trade,
Speaker 5: and that's for two guys who are not going to
Speaker 5: be part of their future.
Speaker 3: I don't hate it.
Speaker 5: It's Billy Donovan, now the head coach of the Chicago Bulls,
Speaker 5: Westbrook's coach with the thunder.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're taking the ball out of Zach Lavine
Speaker 3: and Kobe White's hands.
Speaker 5: But they could be competitive, I think, and it gives
Speaker 5: you an identity and yeah, there are not going to
Speaker 5: be fans and stands, but you still want your fans
Speaker 5: to watch the games. I don't necessarily know that that
Speaker 5: was high on the list of priorities for Bulls fans
Speaker 5: last season. I can talk myself into Westbrooks.
Speaker 1: Wow, so easily. Try What what if it took them,
Speaker 1: because that's like, that's not a lot there, and I'm
Speaker 1: a big Porter fan and Zach what about on a
Speaker 1: Porter and Zach Levine? Yeah, you would do it at hertbeat?
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, I mean if you can trade Zach Levine
Speaker 5: and bring in Russell Westbrook, what's the difference. One guy
Speaker 5: who shoots the ball all the time, another guy who
Speaker 5: shoots the ball all the time. One of them can
Speaker 5: make a three at the end of the game.
Speaker 1: Okay, what about the Clippers. Let's throw one more team
Speaker 1: out there, Like there's a team that maybe actually does
Speaker 1: of total aspirations. Ley, they could put something together. It
Speaker 1: could involve Montres Herald like a sign in trade. It
Speaker 1: could involve like a Beverly and Lou Williams and Zumats
Speaker 1: and other pieces and a pick. No, you can make
Speaker 1: it happen. You can get the salaries up there. I
Speaker 1: mean that's maybe a little more entasing than the Rockets,
Speaker 1: I would think too. But if you're the Clippers, you're bombered,
Speaker 1: would you go all right, let's get real nuts, get
Speaker 1: the third star Kawhi PG Westbrook, what do you think?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't mind that, to be honest. I mean,
Speaker 6: because they're all going to be on the same pages, like, hey,
Speaker 6: let's do this. We've got the stars now. Because guys
Speaker 6: like Patrick Beverley, I mean, he would have to be traded.
Speaker 6: You can't have Westbrook and Beverly on the same team anyway.
Speaker 6: But yeah, and he's an upgrade. Westbrook's definitely an upgrade
Speaker 6: over Beverly. Beverly's a good defensive player, but offensively Westbrook
Speaker 6: is better. And I think that would put him in
Speaker 6: the right situation where he's, like, again, he's competing for
Speaker 6: a championship, and I don't know about how combustible it
Speaker 6: would be with another strong personality in that locker room.
Speaker 6: Whether it'd be good or bad. But if you're Westbrook,
Speaker 6: it's like, yeah, why not. He's going home to LA
Speaker 6: He's going to a team that is a legit contender,
Speaker 6: and he's going to play with other star players, so
Speaker 6: he knows that he's going to have, you know, good
Speaker 6: talent around him. How he would go and be able
Speaker 6: to be like maybe on the third option on offense
Speaker 6: here and how he would be able to cope with
Speaker 6: that is a different story. But if you're Westbrook and
Speaker 6: that deal is there and it's available, you've got to
Speaker 6: go to the Clippers, for sure. I think that's the
Speaker 6: best situation for him. And as you say, you'd have
Speaker 6: to give up a lot, a few of the Clippers,
Speaker 6: but no one, no one that you couldn't overcome. I mean,
Speaker 6: Zubats was good in his role, you know, So he's
Speaker 6: probably the one. But Lou Williams, I think he's probably
Speaker 6: he's probably turned the page on his career where he's
Speaker 6: now in decline a little bit and you could do
Speaker 6: without him. And then yeah, if you if you're throwing
Speaker 6: a Marcus Morris, somehow sign and trade to make the
Speaker 6: salaries happen, do it. For sure? A few of the Clippers.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, you're going to spend all this
Speaker 6: money if you get into the luxury tax. It's worth
Speaker 6: it if you get the championship in the end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bomber might be just crazy enough and rich enough
Speaker 1: to give it a go too. It'd be while to see.
Speaker 5: Reunating Polodge George Westbrook unfinished business.
Speaker 1: I love it. Hey, we always Trey, We always talk
Speaker 1: about you know, KLi has his limitations as a leader.
Speaker 1: You know, he sounds like he wants a point guard.
Speaker 1: He wants a guy that's gonna bark at guys and
Speaker 1: keep people accountable. That could be a Westbrook.
Speaker 3: I mean, no doubt about it.
Speaker 5: Remember Westbrook through the house hype party to welcome Paul
Speaker 5: George back to Okay. See, he obviously knows how to
Speaker 5: motivate Paul George. You get a DJ, you get some punch,
Speaker 5: and you throw a massive party. He's good to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know task anything. Any thoughts on the
Speaker 1: Clippers possibility of getting into the mid Westbrook mix here.
Speaker 4: I think the reuniting idea is just it's just too good.
Speaker 4: I thought at first, before this all happened, that the
Speaker 4: Rockets would go after Serge Ibaka. Then they'd have that
Speaker 4: trio that used to hang out together and okay, see
Speaker 4: James Harden himself and Surge. There was a chance there.
Speaker 4: I think the Clippers aren't going to push for that though.
Speaker 4: It's just chemistry is already a question mark, and then
Speaker 4: you're adding Russ in there. I think they want to
Speaker 4: try and do what they did last year and try
Speaker 4: and get it right and then and then it would
Speaker 4: also probably involve trading. There only big in Viatsa Zubats
Speaker 4: or Montress Harral, I mean, both of those guys like
Speaker 4: they would be super weak in the in the front court.
Speaker 4: I know it's you'd have a really good team otherwise,
Speaker 4: but I don't think there's a there's really a good
Speaker 4: chance of that happening. There's just too many things that
Speaker 4: they'd have to overcome. Don't like it.
Speaker 1: I said this to you guys on the podcast. I
Speaker 1: can't remember what show it was that I thought. I said,
Speaker 1: like the Rockets were like veering into this team being
Speaker 1: sort of irrelevant. I was worried about that. Was like,
Speaker 1: I don't think people are going to care about the Rockets.
Speaker 1: This was, of course, after D'Antoni leaves and then Morey
Speaker 1: leaves and I said, you know, I could see them.
Speaker 1: They start one in five, two and six, they get
Speaker 1: off to a rough start. Whenever we start the season
Speaker 1: that then we see these headlines like then we see like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't like the direction we're going from Harden or
Speaker 1: Westbrook like I want out of here. Obviously, it took
Speaker 1: the Rockets not even playing a game for Westbrook to
Speaker 1: say that, what does this say trait about James Harden
Speaker 1: in all? Honestee, these guys are buddies. They teamed up
Speaker 1: there and this will now be it looks appears to
Speaker 1: be the third superstar he's played with. At some point
Speaker 1: there's like I don't want to play with this guy.
Speaker 1: I don't want to play on this team. At least
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's specifically hardened because he is
Speaker 1: the team I would think it is. But like Dwight Howard,
Speaker 1: Chris Paul and now Russell Westbrook, like it's a bad
Speaker 1: look for your guy, James Harden. Is it not well?
Speaker 5: At the very least, I think it says James Harden
Speaker 5: is not changing the way he plays for literally anybody. Obviously,
Speaker 5: Westbrook and Harden have been friends for twenty years. You know,
Speaker 5: he came in and the thought was going to be
Speaker 5: that Westbrook will be able to operate a lot on ball.
Speaker 5: You can save Harden. He'll be ready in the playoffs
Speaker 5: as we saw. It turns out that the Rocket season
Speaker 5: ended basically the way every Rocket season has, with Harden slowing.
Speaker 3: Down at the end and no off ball movement.
Speaker 5: So if James Harden is not going to be working
Speaker 5: hard when he doesn't have the ball, with Russell Westbrook
Speaker 5: having the ball, it's not gonna happen in other places.
Speaker 3: You see so many tweets, so many.
Speaker 5: Posts, places that are saying the Rockets man, they got
Speaker 5: James Harden. All they gotta do is encourage him to
Speaker 5: play off the ball. Watch some Steph Curry tape, just
Speaker 5: a little bit of movement and the Rockets offense gets
Speaker 5: even better. It ain't gonna happen because the guy is
Speaker 5: most comfortable having the ball, making every single play, taking
Speaker 5: every single shot, making every single pass. I know, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna still get lured into loving James Harden when he's
Speaker 5: scoring the sixty and four straight games, but it doesn't
Speaker 5: seem to necessarily translate to teams success. Will he ever
Speaker 5: change the way he plays. I'm feeling pretty dubious about it.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's so funny. I mean sort of
Speaker 1: the same could be said for Russell Westbrook. Like you
Speaker 1: get you get lured in with the forty point triuble
Speaker 1: doubles in back to back games, and then you get
Speaker 1: to the playoffs and it's a lot easier to figure
Speaker 1: those guys out, and they slow down. Then they hurt
Speaker 1: themselves at times. Yeah, I feel bad for Steven Silas's
Speaker 1: task coming in here, Like the guys didn't waited twenty
Speaker 1: years to get a crack at a head coaching job.
Speaker 1: Finally does and GM's gone in a second, of course,
Speaker 1: and now you got one of your superstars leaving. Who
Speaker 1: knows that Harden's gonna eventually come around to like get
Speaker 1: me the hell out of here. Feel bad for him.
Speaker 4: Blessing in disguise. Maybe all the pressure is off and
Speaker 4: you just become a coach.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, that's interesting, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Because he has he would have had a huge spotlight
Speaker 4: on him. Right if both those guys are there, and
Speaker 4: maybe they don't win, not necessarily because of him, but
Speaker 4: because they've been struggling to win in the last couple
Speaker 4: of years, so maybe this is a bit of a
Speaker 4: blessing for him. How many years did he sign for
Speaker 4: I forget, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. My guess would be three or four.
Speaker 1: Seems to be the general signing for a new guy,
Speaker 1: but I don't know, and have an idea he.
Speaker 4: Was cheap, yeah, and it's tough for the front office, obviously,
Speaker 4: Raphael Stone there taking over for Darryl Moury. The thing
Speaker 4: that I thought of immediately was the tray that Daryl
Speaker 4: Moray made to get Russell Westbrook was two first round
Speaker 4: draft picks, two biggies and the right for Oka See
Speaker 4: to swap two other first round picks plus Chris Paul.
Speaker 4: The cupboard is super bear. And now if Westbrook goes
Speaker 4: somewhere else, yeah, you can try and get a draft
Speaker 4: pick for him. But I would have rather, if I
Speaker 4: was Raphael Stone, bide my time for a couple of
Speaker 4: years and try and work that for a little bit,
Speaker 4: rather than be a worse team. Because either way, if
Speaker 4: you trade Russ, no matter all these criticisms, they're gonna
Speaker 4: be worse. They're just they're not going to be that good.
Speaker 1: Right, But they're not going to be so bad when
Speaker 1: you have James Harden on your team too, that's a
Speaker 1: bit of a conundrum, Like he's so good that he
Speaker 1: still wins you a ton of games even if he's
Speaker 1: a one man show himself. But yeah, man, Sam Presty,
Speaker 1: like he must be loving now those Rockets picks could
Speaker 1: be enticing the swaps I'm talking about, Like you could
Speaker 1: you start to think what he could do with those?
Speaker 1: Uh and because we know, okayc sort.
Speaker 3: Of in Rod, he might get three MVPs out of it.
Speaker 1: That's right, you might do it again. You're absolutely right,
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe get to the finals. They did
Speaker 1: get to the finals, won a game. But no, you're right.
Speaker 1: They got so so many of their picks and the
Speaker 1: Rockets I mean, if look, you said it, Westbrook gone,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be probably be worse Harden eventually goes. You know,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be worse if he does want out. Wow,
Speaker 1: those are even better than they you know, looked at
Speaker 1: first glance.
Speaker 4: So but is this is there a chance that this
Speaker 4: is just a push to the front office to tell them, hey,
Speaker 4: we can't just go into next season doing the same
Speaker 4: thing tilman for Tita, it's time for the luxury tax.
Speaker 4: I know you're concentrating on being a restaurant tour, but
Speaker 4: it's also time to pay up and go into the
Speaker 4: tax for us because we're thirty two. It's time to
Speaker 4: do it. Or is this hey, I'm done with this thing.
Speaker 1: I think it's I'm done with this thing because it's
Speaker 1: not just Westbrook. I mean we got like role players
Speaker 1: saying I want more minutes and PJ. Tucker saying, hey,
Speaker 1: show me my money. Yeah, pissed, even though he has
Speaker 1: no right to be pissed whatsoever.
Speaker 3: Buddy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, I mean, this was and this is
Speaker 1: like the heavy hitters of uh, you know obviously the
Speaker 1: NBA and Rockets world in Shams and Sam and and Kelly.
Speaker 1: I mean, you ain't getting more plugged in than that,
Speaker 1: right task. I mean they don't need to wear ties. Okay,
Speaker 1: they got they know this team and I'm gonna trust
Speaker 1: what they're reporting. So this is this is bad and
Speaker 1: this is the Dwight days. Yeah, a long time man,
Speaker 1: rough rough if you're a Rockets fan right now, So
Speaker 1: we'll see how this plays out. We we might have
Speaker 1: to have correct me if I'm wrong. We had an
Speaker 1: emergency podcast for the first Westbrook you know trade right
Speaker 1: where he got shipped to Houston. Yeah, because I was
Speaker 1: I was in Florida at the time.
Speaker 4: Was that the beach, Yes, definitely, Yeah. I was calling
Speaker 4: in from Toronto. Yeah, Lee and Trey were here and
Speaker 4: we weren't even getting paid then we were free agents.
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, you're right, that was the free agent.
Speaker 4: But we should be. We're getting paid now, so we.
Speaker 1: Should do an emergency if Westbrook it's okay, we probably will.
Speaker 1: We probably will. All right, let's keep it going here again.
Speaker 1: So much to talk about. Next one. The Suns are
Speaker 1: interested in Chris Paul. Those are reports the Celtics might
Speaker 1: pack there are three first round picks fourteen, twenty six,
Speaker 1: and thirty to move into the lottery and then flip
Speaker 1: that for Drew Holiday. That's a report. Coyle Enard, Well,
Speaker 1: if he doesn't get Westbrook, he would like Chris Paul.
Speaker 1: That's a report. The Hawks. They've emerged as possible trade
Speaker 1: suitor for the Pelicans guard Drew Holiday. That's a report.
Speaker 1: My goodness, there's a lot going on, especially with those
Speaker 1: two names, Chris Paul and Drew Holiday. So I'll ask
Speaker 1: it this way, Trey, you get a started favorite trade
Speaker 1: rumor CP three to the Suns, drew to the Celtics,
Speaker 1: CP three to the Clippers, or drew to the Hawks.
Speaker 1: What you got?
Speaker 5: I love a law skeets. I think these are all
Speaker 5: fabulous rumors. Let me run them through real quick. Chris
Speaker 5: Paul to the Sons is interesting because it makes the
Speaker 5: Suns a little bit interesting. The last thing we saw
Speaker 5: from them eight no in the bubble. If you're adding
Speaker 5: a defensive minded veteran presence, you gotta think that helps, especially,
Speaker 5: you know, assuming Ricky Rubio will likely be gone. Chris
Speaker 5: Paul certainly an upgrade there, and according to Brian Windhorse,
Speaker 5: Chris Paul has the approval of the Thunder to be
Speaker 5: speaking with the Sons with which skirts tampering room because
Speaker 5: Chris Paul knows every single rule. This guy knows every
Speaker 5: rule in the entirety of the NBA. He knows you
Speaker 5: got to have your jerseys tucked in, and he knows
Speaker 5: that if you get approval from your team, even if
Speaker 5: you're the Players Association president, you can go and fake
Speaker 5: Tampa with other teams. I think that's just brilliant stuff.
Speaker 5: The guy has done his homework. I'm good thinking Drew
Speaker 5: to the Celtics hilarious because the Celtics are always trading
Speaker 5: for whoever is available. Paul George, Jimmy Butler, Anthony Davis,
Speaker 5: Kawhi Leonard. Now it's Drew Holliday. Will it happen?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I also like CP three to the Clippers for the history.
Speaker 5: It's easy to work out the math because all of
Speaker 5: the players who were traded from the Rockets to the Clippers,
Speaker 5: when Chris Paul went from the Clippers to the Rockets,
Speaker 5: they're basically still there, so you just throw them in
Speaker 5: the mix. It's very funny that most of these players
Speaker 5: were seeing traded for each other this offseason were the
Speaker 5: same ones that were in the mix a couple of
Speaker 5: offseasons previous. And Drew Holliday to the Hawks I think
Speaker 5: is also great. It accelerates their rebuilt, which is exactly
Speaker 5: what Drew Holliday going to the Pelicans did a few
Speaker 5: years back. If the Hawks want to try and be
Speaker 5: the eighth seed just like the Pelicans did, the same
Speaker 5: thing is probably gonna happen for the Hawks. You don't
Speaker 5: trade a whole bunch of young pieces to try and
Speaker 5: make the eighth seed unless you're just trying to make
Speaker 5: the eighth seed, and sometimes that's the goal for an
Speaker 5: NBA team. So I thought these were all juicy just
Speaker 5: because they all kind of fit perfect narratives of things
Speaker 5: we've seen before in the past for players personnel wise,
Speaker 5: something that's interesting. Chris Paul to the Suns, to me,
Speaker 5: is definitely the most interesting, just because it'd be interesting
Speaker 5: to see what they look like. You know, somebody who
Speaker 5: actually I think he raises their ceiling. I think he
Speaker 5: raises their floor. I think he'd be a nice fit
Speaker 5: alongside Devin Booker somebody else to make some plays there,
Speaker 5: and you can make it happen pretty easily. So yeah,
Speaker 5: give me Chris Paul to the Suns. I've never felt
Speaker 5: better about the Suns. I'd never felt better about Chris Paul.
Speaker 5: So put them together and let's see how it goes wrong.
Speaker 1: All right, Lee, what do you got for this one?
Speaker 1: What you got? Well?
Speaker 6: I was gonna say that one as well, but I'll
Speaker 6: move on. I'll make another one. And I want to
Speaker 6: see Drew Holiday to the Celtics, but it would mean
Speaker 6: he'd pretty much have to come off the bench, I think,
Speaker 6: because you think of that backcourt with Kemba Walker, and.
Speaker 1: Well, why couldn't it mean Kemba Walker's moving I doubt it.
Speaker 6: I doubt I don't think they're going to move on
Speaker 6: from Kember. But if they're going to trade three potential
Speaker 6: first round picks basically to get a higher pick to
Speaker 6: flip that to New Orleans, that to me says you
Speaker 6: know that this they're going for win now and they
Speaker 6: want some more experienced veterans on their roster. And I
Speaker 6: think again, Drew is that veteran who's a very very
Speaker 6: steady hand at the end of the game's good defender,
Speaker 6: can shoot, can play off the ball, you know, and
Speaker 6: if Kember is having a bad game, he can fill
Speaker 6: in and take that that point guard position off him.
Speaker 6: So I like it. But again, you're paying a guy
Speaker 6: basically thirty million dollars then to come off the bench,
Speaker 6: and that's something that Danny Ainge doesn't like to do.
Speaker 6: But again, it's like all these other picks that we've got,
Speaker 6: you know, they're sort of mid to late first round picks.
Speaker 6: They're probably not going to impact the team as much
Speaker 6: as someone like Drew could immediately next season and the
Speaker 6: one after. So I would like to see him there.
Speaker 6: I just think, again, they're a defensive minded team, and
Speaker 6: Drew's a very good defensive player. He'd give them just
Speaker 6: extra depth and a steady hand and I like it,
Speaker 6: So I'd like to see that happen. It's just the Celtics.
Speaker 6: Remember we're going to give up six first round picks
Speaker 6: for Justice Winslow back in the day as well. That
Speaker 6: was one of the that was one of the crazy rumors.
Speaker 6: So they like to just package all these picks and say,
Speaker 6: all right, we'll just give you a wall to you
Speaker 6: just give us one guy in return, and will it happen?
Speaker 6: But you know, I think he would be the sort
Speaker 6: of guy again who would be happy to go there
Speaker 6: and accept a lesser role because he's closer to a championship.
Speaker 6: And Drew has spent a lot of his career not
Speaker 6: really close to a championship. So he's kind of like,
Speaker 6: I'm getting paid, I'm on a good team, and I'm competing,
Speaker 6: and I'm still going to play big minutes. It's just
Speaker 6: maybe not the same sort of big minutes that he's played,
Speaker 6: you know, for the Pelicans and when he was in
Speaker 6: the sixers there as well, So not as many shots,
Speaker 6: but you exchange that when you've been I think a
Speaker 6: lot of guys, you know, for if your career has
Speaker 6: been not making the playoffs and just not really close,
Speaker 6: you are prepared it later on to be like, you
Speaker 6: know what, I'm happy to go here. He seems like
Speaker 6: that type of guy anyway. Yeah, not like Westbrook where
Speaker 6: he's like, no, I just want the triple doubles. So
Speaker 6: that that's where I think drew it. So I think
Speaker 6: that would be a decent fit.
Speaker 1: I liked how you compare Danny Ainge his GM his moves,
Speaker 1: like here's a bunch of my picks, Just give me
Speaker 1: something better or a better player. That's how I used
Speaker 1: to play fantasy basketball. You would just like pick up
Speaker 1: like four guys waiver wire and then package them four
Speaker 1: for one. Deal man, Come on, come on, give me
Speaker 1: Kevin Garnette, I just got I'm giving you four guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you all up the waiver Wae Well.
Speaker 6: He shoots a great percentage for those guys are always
Speaker 6: annoying though, because you would like, well, I have to
Speaker 6: like sacrifice three other guys just to make this.
Speaker 1: Trade work for you, So your team sucks, like that
Speaker 1: guy's injured, that guy barely plays, you know, but we've.
Speaker 6: All we've all done that though, where you got a
Speaker 6: couple of hot guys off the waiver wire and instantly
Speaker 6: try to trade.
Speaker 1: The one hundred percent. That's what you do. That's that's
Speaker 1: the beauty fantasy mess, all right. So you like the
Speaker 1: Celtics one Trey obviously like in the Sun one with
Speaker 1: Chris Paul task, do you have a different one, one
Speaker 1: in the final two or something else that you like
Speaker 1: more what you got?
Speaker 4: Well, it sure seems like the Pelicans want to take
Speaker 4: a step back and get younger, and so it feels like,
Speaker 4: you know, whether it's the Celtics or the Hawks giving
Speaker 4: them picks, I'm buying it. I'm buying that David Griffin
Speaker 4: wants to put this thing in neutral and take a
Speaker 4: step back from going the veteran route. And I would
Speaker 4: love to see Drew Holliday as a as a Celtics starter.
Speaker 4: I think he's going to start. I don't think he's
Speaker 4: coming off the bench. I think they would have to
Speaker 4: find another team to take on Kimba Walker really in that,
Speaker 4: but it would be take so much pressure off Drew Holiday.
Speaker 4: Now I think you know he has he's gotten the
Speaker 4: pendulum to swing to swing. I should say, as we've said,
Speaker 4: from underrated to now just a tad bit overrated here
Speaker 4: because everybody loves them some Drew Holiday, but now you
Speaker 4: know he's going into his thirties. I think it would
Speaker 4: be a nice fit on the Celtics to be a
Speaker 4: complimentary player. They've got so many talented guys there, it
Speaker 4: would be really really nice. The Hawks thing is, it's
Speaker 4: it's a puzzler to me. As Trey said, it's it's
Speaker 4: almost like exactly what the Pelicans did. They went for it,
Speaker 4: and now the Hawks. Some are criticizing them for going
Speaker 4: too early or going for it too early if they
Speaker 4: try and get Drew Holliday. But I say do it.
Speaker 4: I say do it because they really really really believe
Speaker 4: in their core. They really believe in Trey Young, they
Speaker 4: believe Clint Capella is going to help out. And David
Speaker 4: Griffin in New Orleans, he fleeced the Hawks a little
Speaker 4: bit last year. The Hawks traded up for DeAndre Hunter
Speaker 4: in the draft so the Peals could get Nikhil Alexander
Speaker 4: Walker plus Jackson Hayes plus a couple second round picks.
Speaker 4: Hasn't worked out too well for the Hawks quite yet,
Speaker 4: but hey, go get fleeced again. Travis Flank, we believe
Speaker 4: in Yeah, I think I think Drew Holiday, he's he's
Speaker 4: just so solid to be beside Trey Young. And if
Speaker 4: you really really believe in Trey Young, John Collins and
Speaker 4: hopefully Hunter Reddish really evolves, just do it. Do it.
Speaker 1: Be a good team for sure. All Right, we got
Speaker 1: lots more still we got to here. But first let's
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Speaker 1: join them, right in front of his Pacers teammates. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. It happened apparently against the Raptors, the Heat
Speaker 1: and the Knicks. His line or some variation of it was,
Speaker 1: can I come play with y'all? All right, so Oladipo
Speaker 1: asking other teams, can I come play with you all?
Speaker 1: This was the report factor fiction, Lee, what you got?
Speaker 6: It's fact. I'm going with fact on this one because
Speaker 6: it sort of does prove what we've been talking about
Speaker 6: a lot with Victor Oladipo on the Paces this season.
Speaker 6: It's been a weird, weird season. He obviously missed the
Speaker 6: start coming back from that injury, that that nasty injury
Speaker 6: that he suffered last season, the torn quadruceps I believe
Speaker 6: it was. And he started playing okay, but then the
Speaker 6: season went into lockdown or the shutdown happened, and then
Speaker 6: down in the bubble, we were heard that he was
Speaker 6: going to the bubble and he was going to work
Speaker 6: out with his team, but he wasn't going to play
Speaker 6: and they were going to pay him anyway. And then
Speaker 6: it was like, oh, well he's here and he's actually okay.
Speaker 6: So he did start playing with his team, and then
Speaker 6: they got swept in the first round by the Heat,
Speaker 6: and so the whole sort of there was a lot
Speaker 6: of rumor and speculation about whether or not Oladipa is
Speaker 6: going to sign a long term deal with the Paces
Speaker 6: because you know, it's like where they traded for him.
Speaker 6: He's been an All Star since he's been there. He's
Speaker 6: a good player, he's coming off a big injury. How
Speaker 6: good is he? But then there was also a bit
Speaker 6: of a feeling that maybe the team didn't want him
Speaker 6: to go out there and play, and that sort of
Speaker 6: frustrated him. Now, if you're saying he said to the
Speaker 6: next hey, I want to play with you guys. And
Speaker 6: this is obviously not during the lockout during the restart
Speaker 6: down there in Orlando, because the Knicks weren't down there.
Speaker 6: So this goes back to earlier in the season when
Speaker 6: the Pacers played the next So I think there's a
Speaker 6: lot of frustration from Oladipo for the injury and then
Speaker 6: being on a team that's good but not great, and
Speaker 6: he's like a star but not a superstar. And there's
Speaker 6: just a little bit of maybe the team is hesitant
Speaker 6: on signing him to a long term deal and he
Speaker 6: wants that and he expects that, and so is he
Speaker 6: going to get that from someone else? I'm not so sure.
Speaker 6: So I think he's kind of, you know, making it
Speaker 6: clear that he's not happy with his situation there in
Speaker 6: Orlando and he wants out if they're not going to
Speaker 6: pay him. And I think if you're the paces, you're like, well,
Speaker 6: we're probably not going to pay him, so we will
Speaker 6: try to trade him, and him sort of throwing a
Speaker 6: bit of a tantrum there by saying that in front
Speaker 6: of his team mate, you can understand why they feel
Speaker 6: that's disrespectful to do that. If he was being serious,
Speaker 6: if you're sort of joking around, okay, maybe maybe you
Speaker 6: could get away with it, But doing it allegedly three
Speaker 6: times to me is more likely he's saying I'm done
Speaker 6: in Indiana, I won out, I want to play with
Speaker 6: anybody else.
Speaker 1: So only if you had only done it, if you'd
Speaker 1: only said this when he was playing the next then
Speaker 1: you're like, ah, that's a.
Speaker 6: Good joke, exact joke exactly.
Speaker 1: Now, I say that with the heat and the Raftors.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 6: I keep saying this, two good teams that are contenders,
Speaker 6: and he's like, I could see myself on that. He's
Speaker 6: been rumored, of course, to the Heat that's out there,
Speaker 6: the Raptors. I haven't really heard that, but the Knicks
Speaker 6: is also a rumor. So I think it's just a
Speaker 6: combination of frustration not playing all that much and then
Speaker 6: you know, playing okay, down in the bubble he played,
Speaker 6: he played some good games down there, but also the
Speaker 6: paces time to move on. I think, so I buy it.
Speaker 6: I'm buying that.
Speaker 1: You're buying a fact task. What do you think what
Speaker 1: you got with this one?
Speaker 4: A man on the basketball floor is playing on it
Speaker 4: against another team and says, I come play with y'all.
Speaker 4: I I know it's paraphrasing, but I think, y'all, can
Speaker 4: I come play with you guys? Can I come play
Speaker 4: in your city of basketball operations? I think it's a
Speaker 4: step too far. I think maybe he's talking to the
Speaker 4: Heat or the Knicks and just talking to a guy
Speaker 4: on the other team that he likes. He's talking to
Speaker 4: Jimmy Butler and he's saying, you know what kind of
Speaker 4: practice is you guys running, you guys keep it tight
Speaker 4: over there. Man. I'd love to play in a situation
Speaker 4: like that. And that's it. Like, I think maybe he's
Speaker 4: looking at greener pastures. For sure. He doesn't seem like
Speaker 4: he's super super duper happy, but I think he's just
Speaker 4: trying to get a lay of the land, you know.
Speaker 4: I was trying to feel out what the NBA is
Speaker 4: all about.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: And he's out of Indiana. So basically the paraphrasing is right,
Speaker 4: and it's a shorter, snappier headline, but it was I
Speaker 4: think it's more of a conversation during a free throw,
Speaker 4: like a full two free throws. He's chatting to somebody
Speaker 4: on the other team about, you know, what it's like
Speaker 4: in another city because he's, uh, yeah, for some reason,
Speaker 4: he just doesn't love it in Indiana.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is interesting, Trey. I feel like
Speaker 1: Victor Oladipo is going down the path with Paul George,
Speaker 1: uh in terms of like being really well liked I
Speaker 1: think by most fans and quickly having them sour on them,
Speaker 1: just maybe because they're thinking they're a little bit better
Speaker 1: than they are, or at least in terms of what
Speaker 1: they've accomplished so far, Like, oh, a depot is good,
Speaker 1: but he is sort of still riding the wave of
Speaker 1: like one good season, right and I know injuries of
Speaker 1: coming to play, but he is not a superstar. Seems
Speaker 1: to sort of certainly think he is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we all remember that twenty seventeen eighteen season when
Speaker 5: right after the Paul George trade, where Oladipo became an
Speaker 5: All NBA player and he took the Pacers to a
Speaker 5: Game seven against Lebron in the first round of the playoffs,
Speaker 5: and so we all think back to that. Obviously, he
Speaker 5: suffered an injury soon thereafter, but he wasn't even having
Speaker 5: a great season during eighteen nineteen. He was having an
Speaker 5: All Star season. But that's a little bit different than
Speaker 5: an All NBA season. And you would think that having
Speaker 5: suffered an injury similar to Paul George breaking his leg
Speaker 5: during a Team USA scrimmage, that you would want to
Speaker 5: stay with the franchise that kind of built you up.
Speaker 5: That seems to be a little bit on the upswing,
Speaker 5: which the Pacers certainly are. But for whatever reason, Indiana
Speaker 5: is not able to keep these stars that they have
Speaker 5: helped so much. You know, they I do think that
Speaker 5: they build their teams around their stars. I thought that
Speaker 5: the that the Pacers definitely tried to build around Paul George.
Speaker 5: I know, he didn't like it when they told him
Speaker 5: he was gonna eventually have to play four and he
Speaker 5: didn't want to be considered a big guy or whatever.
Speaker 3: And you know, it.
Speaker 5: Definitely feels like the Pacers are building around Ola Depot now,
Speaker 5: or at least that was the thought that they would
Speaker 5: be able to put some you know, some supporting pieces
Speaker 5: around him and maybe be a bit of an ensemble
Speaker 5: with him as the head of the cast. But it
Speaker 5: just hasn't worked out, and it definitely just feels like
Speaker 5: Ola Depot is going to be squandering all of that,
Speaker 5: all those happy feelings we have for him after being
Speaker 5: a surprise player during the twenty seventeen eighteen season. It
Speaker 5: feels exactly like Paul Georgian. You know, that's got to
Speaker 5: be a little bit troubling for the Pacers because it
Speaker 5: feels like they're able to consistently make good teams and
Speaker 5: build up players and find all stars where you wouldn't
Speaker 5: necessarily expect him, but then they're not able to necessarily
Speaker 5: go into hyper drive or I guess in Indianapolis, overdrive,
Speaker 5: raise those RPMs and get into the upper stratus of
Speaker 5: the Eastern Conference. But this isful stuff from it, Victor Oladipo.
Speaker 5: If it's true, I mean, even if it's a short conversation,
Speaker 5: obviously somebody heard it and was very excited to tell
Speaker 5: about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, have you been to Indianapolis? Trey, like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: does it suck? Like maybe just guys just don't want
Speaker 1: to live there.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean I think that New York is probably
Speaker 5: more alluring than Indianapolis.
Speaker 3: Is same with Toronto.
Speaker 5: Uh, but you know, for me, it's a place where
Speaker 5: you go for a big event or where you're passing through.
Speaker 5: I don't know if I would be playing seventy to
Speaker 5: eighty two games there.
Speaker 4: Great for the Final four, right.
Speaker 1: Sure, exactly? Yeah, maybe a super Bowl. Yeah, you got
Speaker 1: a lot of big events coming through there. But maybe
Speaker 1: now he sees like the calendars like, oh man, we're
Speaker 1: not going to any of these big events, so give
Speaker 1: me the whole out of here, miss Hamilton. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is this is a rough look. And you know, I know,
Speaker 1: I think Pacers fans, I don't know how they feel
Speaker 1: about the people I'm sure some love them. I'm sure
Speaker 1: some have maybe soured on him because I do I wonder,
Speaker 1: like after these come back from injury, Like where does
Speaker 1: even rank right now? He as as on the piecers
Speaker 1: like best players list, Like he's not one. I don't think,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm you starting to make cases that he's not
Speaker 1: even number two where he is right now coming back?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I would say Sabonis is their best
Speaker 6: player and then it's down to you know, Miles Turner
Speaker 6: and Oladipot for that other spot. But TJ. Warren also
Speaker 6: really cashed in down in the bubble there, so.
Speaker 1: He's possibly their third or fourth best player, and that's
Speaker 1: not I mean, I know he's been better and has
Speaker 1: had a higher ceiling, but right now, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's where I would have him too.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And that's again when he when he when he's a
Speaker 6: free agent, how much do you want to invest in
Speaker 6: for how long in Oladipot? And I think that's the
Speaker 6: real question that the injury is one concern and just
Speaker 6: how good he is is the other concern. I mean,
Speaker 6: is he worth? Is he worth you know, five years
Speaker 6: and one hundred and twenty five million, like like I
Speaker 6: don't think so, but that's probably where you know, that's
Speaker 6: probably what he's thinking he's going to get, and I
Speaker 6: don't think I don't think a lot of teams would
Speaker 6: want to pay him that much. So, you know, I mean,
Speaker 6: he's going to get twenty million year, I would think
Speaker 6: just because he's got some potentially he's pretty good. But
Speaker 6: how good? How good? That's the question? And two we
Speaker 6: see him come back and play a full season to
Speaker 6: get better, an idea of just how well he's recovered
Speaker 6: from that injury and just whether or not he can
Speaker 6: return to that All Star All NBA level because he
Speaker 6: was good for that season. But was that the anomaly
Speaker 6: that season or was that more likely what you can
Speaker 6: expect from him. I think it's probably the first one
Speaker 6: from what we've seen so far.
Speaker 1: Let's keep it going here. As the twenty twenty NBA
Speaker 1: Draft approaches, there are still very little consensus on who
Speaker 1: the top picks are going to be. How it's all
Speaker 1: going to unfold again. I was joking about it off
Speaker 1: the top, and we were talking with Hollander. It feels
Speaker 1: like no one even wants these guys. No one even
Speaker 1: wants the draft picks. So tasks draft pick more likely
Speaker 1: to be traded next week, the Wolve's number one pick
Speaker 1: or the warriors number two pick.
Speaker 4: What you got, I think it is the Wolves at
Speaker 4: the number one pick, because although, yeah, the feeling on
Speaker 4: these guys isn't super hot right now, somebody will definitely
Speaker 4: want the number one pick at some point. I don't
Speaker 4: even know if the Wolves trade it before they make
Speaker 4: their pick, but as Hollinger told us, because it's sort
Speaker 4: of been a shortened season here before the draft, things
Speaker 4: could happen a little bit after the draft. So I
Speaker 4: think that's more likely to happen than the Warriors because
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how well LaMelo Ball fits with D'Angelo
Speaker 4: Russell there, and if they want to have, you know,
Speaker 4: a couple years of trying to make that work, I
Speaker 4: don't think they have that kind of time to appease
Speaker 4: everybody there. And then even you know, does Wiseman fit there?
Speaker 4: I don't think. So there's a lot of question marks.
Speaker 4: So I think that pick eventually gets traded, whether it's
Speaker 4: on drafted or after that. And with the Warriors, I
Speaker 4: don't think they do it just because they've got a
Speaker 4: top four now that gets paid a lot of money,
Speaker 4: and yes, I'm throwing in Andrew Wiggins in with Draymond Green,
Speaker 4: Steph Curry and Klay Thompson, not for his play but
Speaker 4: for his dollar dollars. So I think they kind of
Speaker 4: like the certainty of a number two pick what he's
Speaker 4: going to cost, that he is a good player and
Speaker 4: will be there to at least link the present to
Speaker 4: the future a little bit. Obviously, not all of these
Speaker 4: guys are going to be franchise guys, but they're going
Speaker 4: to try and put him in a situation in an
Speaker 4: organization that has created incredible players, and Steph and Clay
Speaker 4: and Draymond, they've made those guys great players. So I
Speaker 4: think they've got some faith in themselves, whether it's this
Speaker 4: year or next year, to have a guy who really
Speaker 4: really contributes at a cost certain value, because what are
Speaker 4: they going to get for that number two pick? Are
Speaker 4: they going to get a I guess you would think,
Speaker 4: you know, somebody to take Kevon Looney spot at the
Speaker 4: center spot, because Loony is always hurt to try and
Speaker 4: help them win a championship. That's possible, But I think
Speaker 4: they believe in their core and they'd like to have
Speaker 4: somebody to give them a great player in the future.
Speaker 1: What do you got Trey, which why are likely to
Speaker 1: get moved on the flip side of his task.
Speaker 5: I think that the Warriors would be more likely to
Speaker 5: trade their pick just because I agree the idea of
Speaker 5: drafting a Wiseman and having him as the kind of
Speaker 5: bridge between your your dynasty era and whatever the next
Speaker 5: phase of the Warriors is going to be. It's not
Speaker 5: dissimilar to when the Spurs had Kawhi Leonard and it
Speaker 5: looked like he was going to be taking the reins
Speaker 5: from Tim Duncan. I can understand that, and I can
Speaker 5: also understand the value in you're gonna be a good
Speaker 5: team next year. We all know that you might as
Speaker 5: well take a shot at having somebody who becomes a
Speaker 5: superstar in the future. But I also think it's hard
Speaker 5: for an NBA team with title aspirations to be relying
Speaker 5: on a rookie as your big guy. And I think
Speaker 5: it's gonna be tough to say, Hey, James Wiseman, you've
Speaker 5: been at this massive recruit for two straight years. We've
Speaker 5: been talking about this draft forever. Now we want you
Speaker 5: to watch Javeail McGee tape so you can learn how
Speaker 5: to run up and down the court and dunk. I
Speaker 5: just don't think that that's a something that really happens
Speaker 5: with a nineteen twenty year old guys. So I can
Speaker 5: see them this pick maybe along with Wiggins. There's been
Speaker 5: talk of perhaps the Pelicans, You're able to get something
Speaker 5: like JJ Reddick or Derek Favor, something along those lines.
Speaker 5: Maybe two players who help in the future in the playoffs,
Speaker 5: who are a little bit more reliable than the young guy.
Speaker 5: So I just think it would be the Warriors because
Speaker 5: there's this huge, this huge movement of doing all you
Speaker 5: can to give Steph Clay and Draymond another chance it
Speaker 5: winning a title.
Speaker 1: Sure, where do you fall leave?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm the same there. I think the Warriors there
Speaker 6: in win now mode, and a young guy, you know,
Speaker 6: he might take a few years just to get to
Speaker 6: the level they need him at. So if there's a
Speaker 6: veteran out there that can give them something a little
Speaker 6: bit more that's ready now, I think they'll do that.
Speaker 6: I think that's part of the reason why they originally
Speaker 6: signed D'Angelo Russell and then of course traded him for
Speaker 6: Andrew Wiggins, was to have that asset ready in case
Speaker 6: they need to flip it to somebody and now package
Speaker 6: with the number two pick. You know they've got something
Speaker 6: out there. It's just whether or not, you know, anyone
Speaker 6: there's much interest in Andrew Wiggins, which you know, it's
Speaker 6: hard to I really know if any teams want to
Speaker 6: take a flyer on him. But again, if you're going
Speaker 6: to get that second pick as well, then you're like, Okay,
Speaker 6: that's the price we have to pay that you have
Speaker 6: to take that weekends contract as well. So that's where
Speaker 6: I think the Warriors are. They're like, we can get
Speaker 6: a good player at number two if no one wants
Speaker 6: to take us on a trade there. But ultimately, I
Speaker 6: think they are looking to get a veteran who's going
Speaker 6: to serve their purposes a lot more better now than
Speaker 6: getting a younger guy who's going to be a few
Speaker 6: years before you can they can really rely him as well.
Speaker 6: And you know, again the Warriors that Steph basically missed
Speaker 6: last season. I know he played a handful of the game. Obviously,
Speaker 6: Draymond played a handful of games, but he was kind
Speaker 6: of he was kind of floating through those games. And
Speaker 6: Clay's been he hasn't played since June last year. So
Speaker 6: you know, they want to go back and they want
Speaker 6: to be competing straight away. They don't want to take
Speaker 6: a year or two to get back to that level.
Speaker 6: They're ready to compete for more championships.
Speaker 1: It's funny, though, both of these teams actually want to
Speaker 1: win now. The Warriors want to win totals now because
Speaker 1: there are guys, But the Wolves want to win now
Speaker 1: because while they're the Wolves and they never win, that'd
Speaker 1: be nice, especially to the message to towns, like hey,
Speaker 1: we got something going here. But also, they don't have
Speaker 1: their pick in twenty twenty one. It's going to the Warriors.
Speaker 1: I think it's top three protected, so they'd have to
Speaker 1: be really really bad get some luck. Obviously in the
Speaker 1: draft lottery. They're gonna not want to give that up,
Speaker 1: so they have incentive to be at least a solid team.
Speaker 1: But I don't know whether that means yeah, drafting with
Speaker 1: the number one pick and bringing in a ball or
Speaker 1: an Edwards or something like that, or does it mean
Speaker 1: flipping it for maybe someone that can help you immediately.
Speaker 1: Not that those guys couldn't too. I mean not many
Speaker 1: people are high on them, but you never know, You
Speaker 1: never know, all right, Next one here. We got more
Speaker 1: jerseys to talk about. Now, look, before we show you
Speaker 1: the ones, I just want to say the Valley Boys,
Speaker 1: the Suns, that one is official. I know there's been
Speaker 1: great photos going around Kelly Ubray Junior, who might be
Speaker 1: moved with a horse and a Ferrari, And you're seeing
Speaker 1: the jerseys. They look pretty good in IRL. I gotta
Speaker 1: say they look better than the you know, the leak
Speaker 1: that we saw, and that always is the case usually,
Speaker 1: but the Forum gonna throw at you guys that are official, official,
Speaker 1: Now we got show them here for the YouTubers, the
Speaker 1: Orlando Magic, they got an orange vibe with the pin stripes.
Speaker 1: There's the Magic, the Sixers. This one's very interesting. Some
Speaker 1: boathouses on this black jersey. We'll get into that. Sacramento Kings.
Speaker 1: This one was a leak too that I think I
Speaker 1: forgot about maybe last time we were talking about these.
Speaker 1: But you got some checkered on the side there. They're
Speaker 1: very black at the blue. And then the final one,
Speaker 1: the Hornet's going with this minty fresh buzz city. Look. So,
Speaker 1: of these four Magic, Sixers, Kings or Hornets, what's your favorite.
Speaker 1: What's the best of the bunch. What you got Trey.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's a blowout Skeetze.
Speaker 5: Obviously, the Hornets have the best of these new batch
Speaker 5: of leaks that we're seeing. And like you're saying, is
Speaker 5: this mint is the teal a little bit different? It
Speaker 5: feels a little bit different than the teal that we
Speaker 5: see on the normal Hornets uniforms. But I think it
Speaker 5: looks incredible. I love how they're mixing it with the
Speaker 5: gold kind of playing on the New Orleans Hornets look
Speaker 5: from a few years back. But this is a banger.
Speaker 5: This one is incredible. I don't necessarily love buzz City
Speaker 5: as their nickname here, but you know, similar to how
Speaker 5: the Suns decided to put the Valley on their jerseys,
Speaker 5: and we're like, the Valley it Maine something to the
Speaker 5: people there. So if buzz City means something to the
Speaker 5: people of Charlotte, that's fine. Because the jerseys, as Lee
Speaker 5: Ellis would say, off faya.
Speaker 1: They look with these look, these look awesome. Just the
Speaker 1: color palette, it just works. Even the little logo there.
Speaker 1: I mean you can sort of see it in this
Speaker 1: photo on the shorts. Yeah, that could say Hornets on
Speaker 1: the chest. I think the jersey would still be absolutely incredible.
Speaker 1: I also could see Westbrook in those. I think it
Speaker 1: would look so fricking coos. Yeah, can anyone make a
Speaker 1: case for another one of these? Tass you got something
Speaker 1: on the well.
Speaker 4: Those buzz City jerseys are the best Charlotte jersey since
Speaker 4: this thing since remember back in the Bobcats days. I
Speaker 4: can fit a few bodies in here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, We're doing a live show in twenty eleven in Chicago. Actually,
Speaker 4: and I had been talking about a Mecca Oca for
Speaker 4: so much. I can just flip this jersey right to
Speaker 4: show you the Yoka for in the back. Yeah, because
Speaker 4: it's so huge. A fan of ours, Kevin Rris, said, listen,
Speaker 4: I've got this Charlotte Bobcats jersey. They're bad. I don't
Speaker 4: want this jersey anymore. You can have it, And so
Speaker 4: he handed it to me at our live show. So
Speaker 4: I'm happy to to have a new jersey. I just
Speaker 4: like wearing this. I go swimming. It's a blanket. I
Speaker 4: like a beautiful That buzz City is God, it's gorgeous
Speaker 4: and they haven't had a nice jersey since I can't
Speaker 4: remember how long. I love the fact that they kind
Speaker 4: of buy into the teal and the blue, and and
Speaker 4: I didn't wear the jersey that they sent to us
Speaker 4: back in twenty fourteen. I remember Lee wearing it. There's
Speaker 4: a photo of Lee wearing it. They wore us the
Speaker 4: hornet they sent us those, the Teal hornets. Yeah, but this, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's not teal, it's not aqua. What is it? It
Speaker 4: is mint? Yeah, it's beautiful, that's all I know.
Speaker 1: Cask looks like he's wearing a John Elway jersey. See
Speaker 1: the Charlotte Bobcats part. Yeah it's amazing. Yeah all right,
Speaker 1: so yeah, for the listeners, Task is wearing a gigantic
Speaker 1: sized a Mecca Charlotte Bobcat.
Speaker 5: I can't believe it's been I guess nine years that
Speaker 5: you've had that jersey.
Speaker 1: And I also can't believe that.
Speaker 5: There was really an era where the NBA ran out
Speaker 5: with wide sleeved jerseys. Remember that, Like the only ones
Speaker 5: that look cool at all were Alan Iverson wearing them.
Speaker 5: But with Task, you're right, it looks almost like a
Speaker 5: football journey because.
Speaker 3: Five x maybe, oh.
Speaker 1: Maybe we were joking recently, tasked that prior to our
Speaker 1: video days, people thought you were like five hundred pounds.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that listener was like this. Maybe it was
Speaker 1: a nice for tasks. You showed up and saw you
Speaker 1: was like, what your voice doesn't match you? You are okay?
Speaker 1: So you are like you're like in the bus city
Speaker 1: as well? Yeah, Lee, is it bus city? Is it
Speaker 1: those minty fresh green ones?
Speaker 6: Let's go to Philadelphia. Let's have a look at the
Speaker 6: six is one, because I think this is the one
Speaker 6: that's cools the most.
Speaker 1: Backlash.
Speaker 6: Yes, I think so, because it's a little bit weird,
Speaker 6: isn't it. Like Ye, So it's the what the Philly
Speaker 6: suburbs there is?
Speaker 4: That?
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 6: The housing? I mean, what is it?
Speaker 1: What is it? It's like the boat Rows houses. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have no idea.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and Philadelphia have had some incredible uniforms in the
Speaker 6: last few years, so this is a step backwards. But
Speaker 6: maybe they were just due to have a bit of
Speaker 6: a stinker there. They've got the bell there just above
Speaker 6: the you know, above the the dong. Yeah, above the dong.
Speaker 6: They got the dong on the dong, which, you know,
Speaker 6: I like that. I like the Liberty bell there, but yeah,
Speaker 6: placement probably wasn't the best. But I do you like.
Speaker 5: The ttp that is right over the ad in Philadelphia?
Speaker 3: Trust to trusting the process A right, Yeah.
Speaker 6: I didn't notice that.
Speaker 1: So did Ben Simmons design these two? I know Zachlo
Speaker 1: had a massive article on these, which I unfortunately didn't read.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well that's.
Speaker 1: What happened, right.
Speaker 6: He had some say involved there with the design process
Speaker 6: because it was mostly something to do with the Essendon
Speaker 6: Football Club, which is your team. Of course.
Speaker 1: See the Bomber Slayer.
Speaker 6: Now JD has a phone of you, then that's the
Speaker 6: that's just the traditional Issenon jersey identical. Yeah, so yeah
Speaker 6: a little bit.
Speaker 5: It's got that oak of four Bobcats sleeves on it,
Speaker 5: wight up top.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Apparently Ben Simmons his main inputs on these were we
Speaker 5: gotta have a black jersey, fair enough, everybody wanted to
Speaker 5: go back to the iverson black jersey's very cool. And
Speaker 5: then they did like a blue version, a black with
Speaker 5: mostly blue trim, and he said, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: I love the Bombers. Put some red on there. Okay,
Speaker 5: now they have black, blue and red, which is it's
Speaker 5: a no for me.
Speaker 1: The only thing these Sixers jerseys are missing are a
Speaker 1: big ad that say Amart furniture. Well that was on
Speaker 1: the Bombers Show, The Bombers.
Speaker 3: Juice running back.
Speaker 6: Oh wow, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know how you guys missed it. It's like right
Speaker 1: there across the sash. What can I get there besides
Speaker 1: furniture the girls?
Speaker 6: Uh well, I've never heard of I'm furniture before. I've
Speaker 6: heard of came out of course. Yeah, but yeah. The
Speaker 6: jersey sponsors usually change around very, very frequently.
Speaker 4: So are you guys liking the King's jerseys?
Speaker 3: I do like them.
Speaker 1: They feel like, well, they actually feel like Charlotte's. Was
Speaker 1: it Charlotte that had the you know, the race stripe
Speaker 1: or what do you call, I don't know, the checkerboard
Speaker 1: or whatever on the side there? What was that back
Speaker 1: in the day? Charlotte had one of those crazy they
Speaker 1: did at some point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I can pull a NASCAR so maybe they.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it was. That's what it was. I
Speaker 1: guess I don't. I just don't have much of an
Speaker 1: opinion about them. I'm just like, all right, they're not
Speaker 1: the worst of the bunch we've seen. They're definitely not
Speaker 1: the best.
Speaker 4: I like them.
Speaker 1: You like them? Yeah, you like them.
Speaker 7: It's got a you know, it's chess, right, Kings the
Speaker 7: chess board checker.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I'm an idiot. I do you even know
Speaker 1: like of that?
Speaker 7: I'm all about the Queen's gambit these days, so uh,
Speaker 7: shout out to the kings.
Speaker 4: Okayam, but did you finish the Queen's Game?
Speaker 7: I have not, so don't give me any sailors.
Speaker 3: It took us two nights. Thrilling stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to see Sacktown play cream City though, right,
Speaker 1: I'll be really nice. And hey, I thought you might
Speaker 1: go with the Magic Tray. You're a big orange guy,
Speaker 1: so I wanted to get your opinion on these, like
Speaker 1: not enough orange? Like these these aren't upgrade over the
Speaker 1: dark gray ones they had with the orange, I think certainly.
Speaker 5: Uh, And I do like that people kind of discovered
Speaker 5: that if you flip the Magic's normal jerseys.
Speaker 3: They're black and blue.
Speaker 5: It almost inverts perfectly, hearkening back to the days of hey,
Speaker 5: what color is this dress? But as we see with
Speaker 5: Tass in his legendary and Mecha Oka for jersey, orange
Speaker 5: jerseys are tough. I love orange jerseys, but it feels
Speaker 5: like we're still waiting for a classic NBA orange.
Speaker 4: Fair and they're and they're claiming that it's a bit
Speaker 4: of a throwback to the mid nineties era and their
Speaker 4: pin stripes, but you gotta keep the same color palette.
Speaker 4: I think the orange is too far. This is the
Speaker 4: second year now they've gone to the orange. I just
Speaker 4: can't get Evan Fournier Magic Guard out of my head
Speaker 4: when he said what are we playing for the Suns now?
Speaker 4: When he was commenting about their first orange jersey. It's
Speaker 4: just it's too orange. It is really distinct, right, It's
Speaker 4: like the Sons are the only team I think that
Speaker 4: has it as part of their uniform predominantly orange, other
Speaker 4: than the old Bobcats.
Speaker 1: I guess maybe maybe the.
Speaker 3: Knicks have ran out some more. He's the Thunder as well,
Speaker 3: And exactly. They're not memorable, No, they're not.
Speaker 1: I like these magic jerseys better than the ones they
Speaker 1: were throwing at us last year that just said our
Speaker 1: l and they were gray and had a little orange,
Speaker 1: and I didn't like them. This is nicer. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't like a star too. Let's hear it for
Speaker 1: you guys at holler at us on Twitter. At least
Speaker 1: at no dunkstick with all these jerseys. You gotta take
Speaker 1: one more break here. But we do have a few
Speaker 1: more questions. All right, we're ending with some really silly
Speaker 1: ones here, as we usually do on no dunks. This one,
Speaker 1: there's no preamble, just got some photos JD. Would you rather, guys,
Speaker 1: wear a shirt of yourself like Tyler Hero did there, yes,
Speaker 1: with the snarl as he's going through some shooting drills.
Speaker 1: Or would you rather wear Nike bread shoes? Okay, a
Speaker 1: shirt of yourself like Tyler Hero did, or these Nike
Speaker 1: bread shoes. I can't wait to see where Lee ranks
Speaker 1: this type of bread on his favorite breads. But Tray,
Speaker 1: you answer first, what would you rather wear?
Speaker 5: At first, I thought this was a pretty tough question.
Speaker 5: You know, on one hand, you're wearing a shirt of yourself.
Speaker 3: It's a tough move. It's certainly a tough move.
Speaker 5: On the other hand, you've got a pair of shoes
Speaker 5: that are made out of bread, which will fall apart,
Speaker 5: but you can catch some good fish on little bread balls. Ultimately, though,
Speaker 5: I'm going with a shirt of myself, okay, because it's
Speaker 5: almost an honor amongst my group of friends back home.
Speaker 5: You guys have heard me bring up my buddy Murph.
Speaker 5: We always would torment him at homecoming. One year, we
Speaker 5: printed up thousands of pictures of him during his Dragonball
Speaker 5: murfh Era is what we called it. We put him
Speaker 5: all around campus.
Speaker 1: He hated it.
Speaker 5: The next year we printed off a whole bunch more
Speaker 5: pictures that said welcome to the bro Show.
Speaker 3: He hated it. Oh, the guy was furious.
Speaker 5: So the very next year, my buddy Bryce made us
Speaker 5: all shirts that said let's get mer ridiculous, along with
Speaker 5: the picture of Murph's face.
Speaker 3: And then wore those to homecoming.
Speaker 5: Murph hated it, but he loved it because when you're
Speaker 5: wearing a shirt with your face on it and everybody
Speaker 5: else you know was wearing a shirt with your face
Speaker 5: on it, you're the star, right then. So Tyler Hero,
Speaker 5: he was the star of that game when he snarled.
Speaker 5: We're gonna remember that snarl for a long time. So
Speaker 5: I feel like he's got to pay some tribute, even
Speaker 5: if it's to himself.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're fine with the shirt of yourself. Let's
Speaker 1: got a tacit guy who's got another wardrobe change. Yeah,
Speaker 1: task explain to the listener what you got on here?
Speaker 4: Well, what's weird about wearing yourself on a shirt. I'm
Speaker 4: wearing a shirt with my face drawn on it by
Speaker 4: a fan from a long time ago, with the label
Speaker 4: pun guns and two fingers up like I'm I'm firing
Speaker 4: off some puns. There's smoke rising from each of my
Speaker 4: two fingers. Just fired a couple quick puns. I have
Speaker 4: no idea what their shirt came from. I've been doing,
Speaker 4: like a lot of people during the pandemic, a lot
Speaker 4: of cleaning around my house. So I found this old
Speaker 4: Charlotte podcast Jersey, and I found this thing so cool.
Speaker 4: I'm putting it on. It's a perfect fit. What's what's
Speaker 4: weird about that?
Speaker 5: This?
Speaker 4: Actually, this question reminded me of when we did a
Speaker 4: shoot with Big Baby Davis. And he's got himself on
Speaker 4: that shirt. That's that's that's him, Larry Is. Look at
Speaker 4: the glow up on JD.
Speaker 1: First, let's talk about this photo.
Speaker 4: And there's Big Baby with your heart out.
Speaker 7: I really missed that hat.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, what happened to it?
Speaker 4: Yea?
Speaker 7: I sat on it?
Speaker 1: Oh oh oh what a look? Wow?
Speaker 4: That is what year was that? Twenty eleven, twenty twelve?
Speaker 1: It looks like nineteen eighty eight or something like that.
Speaker 4: It was just baggy clothes. There's banking clothes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so yeah, I gotta say, though, task back
Speaker 1: to him if we can drop that.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess you said you just found it. I
Speaker 1: don't ever remember you just wearing this shirt.
Speaker 4: It's the first time I've ever worn it.
Speaker 1: But honestly, it's pretty good drawing, pretty good. It does
Speaker 1: look like you. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty pretty solid.
Speaker 4: I have no idea where it came from.
Speaker 1: But okay, and Lee, let's go to you here. Okay,
Speaker 1: what do you got leave for this? I think I
Speaker 1: know your answer, but a way.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm just wearing a hat with my own logo
Speaker 6: on top right now, and I wear this around from
Speaker 6: time to time. It's a very comfortable hat nurse. So
Speaker 6: you know, I'd have no problems wearing my own T shirt.
Speaker 6: I mean, we have the very solid play T shirt.
Speaker 6: It's not my face though, it's more just the diagram
Speaker 6: of a play So yeah, but I've worn this on
Speaker 6: the beach in Mexico a few times, and you know,
Speaker 6: just let people know, Yeah, that's me.
Speaker 5: In case you're wondering, do people know it's you when
Speaker 5: they see the hat?
Speaker 6: No, but they sort of go I don't know what
Speaker 6: that is.
Speaker 1: That's kind of weird.
Speaker 6: And then yeah, you know, if I had to tell people,
Speaker 6: because I told a guy once down there in Mexico,
Speaker 6: I said, yeah, that's me on the hat, and he
Speaker 6: was kind of like, why you're wearing a hat of yourself?
Speaker 6: But you know, I told her about the show and everything,
Speaker 6: so we got there in the end, but it was
Speaker 6: still a bit weird. But yeah, very comfortable hat. I
Speaker 6: have to say, all right, I'm.
Speaker 1: Going to agree with you guys. I'm gonna go with
Speaker 1: a shirt of yourself. Just because you can't wear these
Speaker 1: naked bread shoes. You can't wear them too like like
Speaker 1: a square where there's pigeons or stuff like that, you're
Speaker 1: absolutely screwed. So I mean they look coffee, they're almost
Speaker 1: look toasted a little bit too.
Speaker 4: Me too.
Speaker 1: I love toasts. Put some jam on those. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll go with the shirt. JD gun answer for this one?
Speaker 1: Which one?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think I'm going shirt, although I mean I
Speaker 7: do have a shirt with all of our faces on
Speaker 7: it and I'm right in the center and I'm way
Speaker 7: too self conscious to wear it.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, well there you go. So yeah, but you
Speaker 1: weren't self conscious not to wear a fedora.
Speaker 7: Hey man, I'm a hat guy.
Speaker 3: I like hats.
Speaker 1: You do love hats.
Speaker 4: That's funny. I was cleaning out all my stuff and
Speaker 4: I realized I got some hats. I'm gonna wear hats again,
Speaker 4: I said to Danielle. Yes, yair. She goes, okay, all right,
Speaker 4: let's let's see you do it.
Speaker 1: You're a wild man. Yeah, slowed downright, final one. I
Speaker 1: don't know about you guys, but my social feed social
Speaker 1: media feeds are like being flooded with people opening their
Speaker 1: shiny new xboxes and PlayStation consoles. So Christmas is right
Speaker 1: around the corner. I want you to treat yourself here.
Speaker 1: Xbox Series X or PS five JD.
Speaker 7: What you got PS five? Hook me up, people, I
Speaker 7: need one. It's got to be under that tree Christmas morning.
Speaker 1: I'm in big trouble. So you didn't buy one?
Speaker 7: Unfortunately, I check every day. It's sold out everywhere. I
Speaker 7: don't know, it's very hard to find. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 7: know why I became a PS PlayStation person. I think
Speaker 7: it's because of there was one game that was only
Speaker 7: available on the PS four or PS three, and then
Speaker 7: I just never looked back.
Speaker 1: So right right, so you will be going you'd want PlayStation.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, the kids are. The kids are very much
Speaker 7: PlayStation guys.
Speaker 1: Okay, what do you got, Leley. I'm fascinated to hear
Speaker 1: your answer for this.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean I have retired officially from playing video games,
Speaker 6: but I used to be a PlayStation guy, so I
Speaker 6: guess I would go the PS five.
Speaker 1: I got to see it right now. The look you
Speaker 1: got going, it looks like you got you on twitch
Speaker 1: trail alone. Yeah.
Speaker 6: It's funny though, Jada, you talk about it for Christmas
Speaker 6: because you know, I have an eight year old and
Speaker 6: a four year old, and and I am sort of like,
Speaker 6: because we got a Natari twenty six hundred for Christmas
Speaker 6: when we were like, you know, the mid eighties, and
Speaker 6: that was like the one the one joy stick with
Speaker 6: one button and you can play a million games. It
Speaker 6: was incredible, And I'm like, maybe it's time, Maybe it's
Speaker 6: time to get the boys there and see just how
Speaker 6: crazy and irate they can get at each other and
Speaker 6: throw things around the house when things don't go their way.
Speaker 6: But I know you can get a lot more games
Speaker 6: these days where there's some physical play involved, isn't there?
Speaker 6: I think that that is that the place.
Speaker 7: No, that's the Nintendo and they're moving away from that
Speaker 7: kind of thing, although there are virtual reality if you
Speaker 7: want your stuff stuff broken in your house, definitely at that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, I know that it does does bring
Speaker 6: out the worst behavior in kids. So you know, maybe
Speaker 6: it's time.
Speaker 1: Oh I love the idea of Christmas morning a couple
Speaker 1: presence under the LS family tree, kids opening up. Wow,
Speaker 1: PlayStation five. Oh my god, this is acredbled. Daddy're the best?
Speaker 1: What games do we got? Least? Somehow us found the
Speaker 1: one bar three game. Let's get yeah, next level vegetable medicine.
Speaker 1: All right, so task, what are you? What do you want?
Speaker 1: Xbox with PlayStation It's on me. I'm buying.
Speaker 4: I'm going five or I'm I. I was a Nintendo
Speaker 4: person of Nintendo Superintendo N sixty four and then I
Speaker 4: got a PS three purchase for me as a gift.
Speaker 4: It was a great gift when I broke my leg
Speaker 4: way back in the day because I was sitting at home.
Speaker 4: So I got a PS three purchase for me. I
Speaker 4: don't play it though, and I never upgraded to the
Speaker 4: PS four. Well maybe I can get wrapped in around
Speaker 4: the PS five. I don't know. I don't know, maybe maybe.
Speaker 1: Which which one of the are like catching on fire
Speaker 1: like they look like they're vaping tray. Have you seen
Speaker 1: these videos going? I think it might be the Xbox one,
Speaker 1: but I'm not one hundred percent sure.
Speaker 5: I didn't know that the Xboxes were vaping, But it
Speaker 5: seems like the perfect time does switch right now because
Speaker 5: a PlayStation like JD Sam impossible to get. And then
Speaker 5: you have seen, I'm sure, on Twitter so many of
Speaker 5: these messages that say, hey, your PlayStation five is coming
Speaker 5: in PlayStation five packaging. It's gonna be stolen, so you
Speaker 5: gotta be out there waiting, like leave for his pot
Speaker 5: for his passport. What's harder to get a PlayStation five
Speaker 5: or your passport in the mail?
Speaker 3: What you got?
Speaker 6: Round two of the Possiports Saga Oh.
Speaker 1: Boy podcast. It sounds like a great PlayStation game. The passport.
Speaker 1: It's somewhere.
Speaker 6: It's somewhere in New York right now, it's back in
Speaker 6: New York. It's somewhere. It's either yeah, it's at the
Speaker 6: Canadian embassy. I believe that I have to pay an
Speaker 6: extra twenty dollars escalation fee for something.
Speaker 1: To make a video game out of the Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: called what happened to the Nintendo Switch?
Speaker 4: JD. You're a switchman. I almost made the move.
Speaker 7: It's just full enough. I have to wrestle my wife Rachel.
Speaker 7: She plays Tetris on it NonStop, so you know, it's
Speaker 7: become the Tetris machine.
Speaker 1: That's all right. Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 4: That's a great game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hear from you guys. Xbox PS five, which
Speaker 1: one should we all get? You know? The correct answer
Speaker 1: here is just everybody, all five of us got to
Speaker 1: get an NBA GM arcade. We all got to hook
Speaker 1: that up, get it on Wi Fi. We got to
Speaker 1: play each other.
Speaker 4: Be great.
Speaker 1: Let's call it there. This is a super long one,
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Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us. And remember, got to get a
Speaker 4: couple of comments in here from the team stream. We
Speaker 4: don't want to denigrate the Xbox because apparently Skeets wasn't vaping.
Speaker 4: According to Chris Lanzel, the Xbox video was debunked. Oh
Speaker 4: it wasn't real apparently, but Ragon Brownie here says in
Speaker 4: the comments the Xbox has a weird kind of ventilation system.
Speaker 4: So I don't know, is rage and right or is
Speaker 4: Chris Lanz al right? Oh man, we'll never know.
Speaker 1: We'll find out next week on No Ducks.
Speaker 7: Every day and that you happy every minute.
Speaker 4: It's been so long that you're the one I've wait for.
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