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Speaker 1: about a wild day coming in the NFL. It's a

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Speaker 1: and wake this morning. Buck. And you know what, every

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Speaker 2: are we still talking? Are we talking about John Gruden

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Speaker 2: doing things? You know, if this, if this situation was

435
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 2: in a vacuum that looked more like professional football.

436
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 3: Than going through another Josh.

437
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 2: McDaniel's era, and then this weird Antonio Pierce thing that

438
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 2: you know, looked like a good idea for a hot second,

439
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 2: and then very very quickly turned out to be a

440
00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 2: very bad idea as far as making him the full

441
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 2: time head coach, you have different circumstances in the middle

442
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 2: of that with Antonio Antonio Brown, right, just dating back

443
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 2: that long, like all of this stuff on the timeline

444
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 2: of why the Raiders are in the spot that they

445
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 2: are requires a decade plus of context, and to your point,

446
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 2: it's really hard for fans to not carry that, for

447
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 2: lack of a better term, trauma over. It's not but

448
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 2: it's not John Spytech's problem. He wasn't here when all

449
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 2: of that stuff was happening. Now he was just here

450
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 2: for this most recent debacle, and that went sideways for

451
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 2: a number of different reasons. But in reality, John Spytech

452
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 2: is just one year into trying to to plug the

453
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 2: holes in this sinking ship, much less make it something

454
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 2: that's going to be consistently sustainable over a period of time,

455
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 2: that's going to allow you to maneuver the different ebbs

456
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 2: and flows of an NFL season, because you're talking about

457
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 2: rebuilding rosters basic every year at this point in time,

458
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: and there is some strategy, some kind of what's what's

459
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 2: the what's the game that you that you used to

460
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: have on old cell phones where you're dropping the different

461
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 2: shape blocks into into Tetris. Yeah, you're playing a game

462
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 2: of Tetris basically every offseason with your roster and trying

463
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 2: to figure out the best plan moving forward. So for them,

464
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 2: the best plan right now is moving a premier player

465
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 2: for premier return and trying to just add as many

466
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 2: quality football players.

467
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 3: And they don't even have to be great football players.

468
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,360
Speaker 2: But if you put together a good to above average

469
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 2: roster and you give yourself the opportunity to add depth

470
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 2: to that, you're going to give yourself as good a

471
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: chance as anybody in the NFL to survive a seventeen

472
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 2: game NFL regular season.

473
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Speaker 1: I think to your point though, the funny that you

474
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Speaker 1: ask how the fans feel, there is a group of

475
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 1: there there's a large group of fans on social media

476
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: that I think got so tired of hearing about is

477
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 1: Max going to get traded? And then you know, you

478
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 1: mentioned Antonio Peers. There's definitely a group of the fans

479
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 1: that feel like Antonio Pierce was because of reporting at

480
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: the time, Antonio Pierce was kept in large part because

481
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: Max was one of the players that went to Mark

482
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: Davis and said this is the guy we want. So

483
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: there there is right or wrong. There's a group of

484
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: Raiders fans it just got exhausted by the entire process

485
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: to feel like Max asked for a ton and you

486
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 1: know the team, you know how this goes with fans

487
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 1: like that, There's a there are definitely there's a group

488
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 1: of fans that feel like Max is disloyal because he

489
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 1: didn't want to come back and play this year. And

490
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Speaker 1: I don't really buy into any of that. And frankly,

491
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: the other side of that as a fan is I

492
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: don't really care about any of that. Like one of

493
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: the weird things I could ask all the time who

494
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 1: my favorite Raiders are growing up? And for me, I

495
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: think I got so used to early on in the

496
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: concept of my even and my fan and watching guys

497
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: eventually go play for other teams that I just expect that, like,

498
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm one of the few people because it's

499
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 1: a fine line for me between me an analyst and

500
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: a fan, but I'm one of the few people that

501
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: looks at it and I'm like, I don't. I rarely

502
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: have a jersey of any player, because I'm not that

503
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: sort of person. I don't My memories are related to

504
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: the team, not to the guys that may or may

505
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: not have played for them, because that's just that's an

506
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: ever Like if you went out, if you're one of

507
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: the people that went out and got Max Crosby tattooed

508
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: on your body because he was your favorite Raider, that's

509
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: kind of on you. Like in the modern NFL, guys go,

510
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 1: they play other places. I don't know what else we

511
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: expect so that it becomes interesting. I think because when

512
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: you are the face of the organization and you for

513
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: years talk about your loyalty to the organization and then

514
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: you eventually leave, there's a group of fans that that's

515
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: all they see. I think it's far more nuanced than that,

516
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,959
Speaker 1: but that's all they see. It's also hard to find

517
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: hope when and you know this covering the Titans right

518
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: like you know this because you hear from Titans fans

519
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 1: every day. The hardest part, the best part about a

520
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 1: rebuild is the hope that you can sell to your fans. Hey,

521
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 1: we got draft equity, We're going to draft this young quarterback.

522
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: Things are going to turn around. That's usually the moment

523
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: of hope for everybody, right, But when you hear that

524
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: six seven eight times in a decade from six seven

525
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 1: eight head coaches, at some point, man, I don't even

526
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 1: know that the message of hope can get through anymore.

527
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: So is it hopeful to have two first round picks

528
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: this year and two first round picks next year?

529
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

530
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah? Do I think most Raiders fans feel a

531
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: ton of hope through that part? They also have the

532
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: most cap space by far now for the next two

533
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: years to spend. Got a ton of money to spend

534
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: and a ton of a ton of draft picks. But

535
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: I don't know that that necessarily lights the fire of

536
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: hope for the Raiders fan base the way it would

537
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 1: with some other fan bases, because hope is just this

538
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: drug that eventually you get tired of consuming, like you

539
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: want actual wins instead of somebody telling you wins or

540
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: coming right around.

541
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Speaker 3: The corner, you're saying you're built. You've built up a

542
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 3: hope tolerance as a Raiders fan.

543
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: My god, you are so right. Yeah, I need twenty

544
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 1: milligrams of hope now just to feel a little of it,

545
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 1: Like two three milligrams doesn't do it.

546
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 3: Anything for me.

547
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: If you're only giving me one hope edible, I need

548
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: like two or three of those.

549
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Speaker 2: Things, well, I mean, and that's there's there's truth to that,

550
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,479
Speaker 2: right because at a certain at a certain point, like so,

551
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: I went through this a couple of years ago with

552
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: Titans fans and the former general manager. So they've they

553
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: fire a lot of people around here in Tennessee on

554
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: a regular basis for people who may not be aware

555
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: of that circumstance. So two years ago they had a

556
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: different general manager after only letting him do that job

557
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 2: for two years with Rand Carthon, and Ran Carthon spent

558
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 2: a bunch of money on Calvin Ridley and Lloyd Cushion

559
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: Berry and Kenneth Walker and traded a third round pick

560
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 2: and then gave Lagerius Snead a huge contract with the

561
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs. Ironically enough, the person who was on

562
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: the other side of that deal, Mike Borganzi, is now

563
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 2: the Titans general manager after sixteen years in Kansas City,

564
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 2: So you know, he's dealing with a little bit of

565
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: the the buyer beware situation for sneed for anybody who's

566
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: followed how badly that transaction has gone here in Tennessee.

567
00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: Uh I.

568
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 2: We we called it a sugar rush free agency. My

569
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: co host on the local show of FITZI, who you

570
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 2: know well, Lucas Fanziicad, dubbed it a sugar rush free

571
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 2: agency approach because my god, did that dopamine hit When

572
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 2: you're seeing all these names that you recognize league wide

573
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 2: and all this money being tossed around. I think it

574
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 2: was somewhere ballpark two hundred and fifty something million in

575
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: contracts that Tennessee handed out among seven or eight different

576
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 2: players that offseason, and you're.

577
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: Like, Wow, they're really going for it.

578
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: But they're building around quarterback Will Levis, And we saw

579
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: how just one piece of that puzzle could create a

580
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: house of cards situation where yeah, you've got a lot

581
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: of name brand players on your roster, but the thing

582
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: that you've invested around is a second round pick at

583
00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: quarterback who had a lot of high risk traits to him.

584
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: In theory, it would have made sense, but again, none

585
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: of these things are done in a vacuum. The Titans

586
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 2: drafted Will Levis at the top of the second round

587
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty three, traded a third round pick

588
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: to do it, and the justification that I was provided

589
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 2: by people in the draft room at the time, because

590
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: you know, anybody who's watched college football understands that will

591
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: Levis was anything but a sure thing, and the NFL

592
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: tried to turn him into something of, well, I can

593
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: fix him type of situation, and then two weeks into

594
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: his tenure as a starter, we're talking about he needs

595
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: to rewire his brain.

596
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 3: That's a quote from him, not from us.

597
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: So I think that you can have all these different things,

598
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: and people will point to the Patriots last year and say, well, look,

599
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: they spent all the money and they didn't miss on anybody,

600
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: whether it's their mid tier acquisitions or their top of

601
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: market buys, and guys like Milton Williams, the defensive tackle

602
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: from the Philadelphia Eagles, and all the different players that

603
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: they added to that roster. Look how well the Patriots

604
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: did it. My team can do that too, But in

605
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: the history of that kind of free agency approach, you

606
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 2: very rarely see it pan out as well. A lot

607
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: of things went right for New England last year, and

608
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that to take anything away from them,

609
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: because they obviously earned what they got against the opponents

610
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: that were in front of them to play, and they

611
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 2: were fortunate that their circumstances, that they did their research,

612
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: that they felt confident in the players that they gave

613
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: that money to, and that those players paid off at

614
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: least in year one. We'll see how some of those

615
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 2: contracts age. But very very rarely do you see teams

616
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: who do that as a means of kickstarting their roster

617
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: actually get the job done. And very rarely do you

618
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: see it go as disast disastrously as it did in

619
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: Tennessee over the course of the last couple of years

620
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: where the only player left from that acquisition period is Sneat,

621
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 2: and that's because they don't have another corner on the roster,

622
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 2: and there's also some health and legal things that he

623
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: has to clear before they can potentially get out from

624
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: under that awful contract that.

625
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Speaker 3: They gave him.

626
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: Looking here at spot track dot com and year by

627
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: year over the last decade, the Patriots last year are

628
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: the only team in the last decade to be the

629
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: highest spending team in free agency and go to the

630
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: playoffs that year. They are the only team in the

631
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: last decade, and in fact, if you go back over

632
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: the course of last decade, the highest spending team three

633
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: times in the last decade with the New York Jets.

634
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: Twice it was the Jacksonville Jaguars, and neither of those

635
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: was last year. Just point in reference, So again you

636
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: just start looking across the board. Bad teams spend a

637
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: ton of money in free agency and it rarely works.

638
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: Even New England was the highest spending team back in

639
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one that didn't work out for him. So

640
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: it is funny to your point, spending a ton of

641
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: money in free agency doesn't usually turn around your team

642
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: in that season. It's a weird thing because certainly the

643
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: opening of the free agency tampering windows starts a day

644
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: for anyone that doesn't know you can start talking to

645
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: players today. You cannot officially sign the contract until Wednesday.

646
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: They did that because we were getting all of these

647
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: complicated transactions that were being announced thirty seconds into free

648
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: agency on Wednesday, and people were saying, well, how did

649
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: you negotiate this one hundred and fifty two page contract

650
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: in just thirty seconds. So now they allow the window

651
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: to open on Mondays. Of note, a new rule change

652
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: that was enacted this year is that every team can

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Speaker 1: pick five free agents that they can zoom with today

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Speaker 1: for the maximum one hour, so there is an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to actually zoom with coaches and gms like y'all think

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Speaker 1: about that. Until this year, teams were players were making

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Speaker 1: their decision on where they were going to sign in

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Speaker 1: a world where teams could only talk to their agents

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Speaker 1: and they couldn't talk to anybody else. So if you

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Speaker 1: were a free agent, supposedly, if you were a free agent,

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Speaker 1: you couldn't legally talk to your head coach until it

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Speaker 1: actually came, until you actually signed the deal, so they

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Speaker 1: had to make a decision to move your family all

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Speaker 1: the way across country based on your agent talking to

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Speaker 1: the team. Now, I guess that you know there's some

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Speaker 1: workarounds in that, but at least now today's the most

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Speaker 1: something workaround.

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Speaker 2: Buddy, This is like SEC players acting like they haven't

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Speaker 2: been making money the entire time pre nil I get

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Speaker 2: out of here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, but at least there's an official way to

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Speaker 1: do it.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Might slow the window down a little bit, but having

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Speaker 1: a one hour zoom for five players per team changes

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Speaker 1: a little to what we're going to see. But we're

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Speaker 1: going to see historic amounts of money, like Alex Pearce

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Speaker 1: is somebody the wide receiver that is going to get

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Speaker 1: a massive, massive contract. Wandell Robinson is going to get

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Speaker 1: a massive I mean we're talking market setting sort of

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Speaker 1: money is going to go to these wide receivers because

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, like they're out in

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Speaker 1: the open and you gotta have players.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait to watch Wandell Robinson make twenty

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Speaker 2: five million dollars a year in Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: That's gonna be.

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Speaker 2: Which which is a further complication because you start to

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Speaker 2: do something like that. The reason why that that is

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Speaker 2: likely to happen, and we've seen a number of reports

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Speaker 2: that are calling it like the worst kept secret in

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Speaker 2: NFL free agency this year, that Wandale Robinson is gonna

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Speaker 2: end up with the Titans because Brian Dable, the former

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Speaker 2: Giants head coaches here. Well, but what happens. I think

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Speaker 2: Dable is not as big of a lock to become

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Speaker 2: a head coach immediately next season, even though he was

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Speaker 2: interviewing for a head coaching jobs this cycle. But what

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Speaker 2: happens if Brian Dabel, who's the offensive coordinator here, leaves

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Speaker 2: and you signed Wandale Robinson to a big contract that

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Speaker 2: extends over multiple years, and you're talking about changing offensive systems,

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Speaker 2: and then what the hell do you do with Wondale

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Speaker 2: Robinson if he's not an offensive scheme fit.

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Speaker 1: Everybody says, f them picks. What if I told you

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Speaker 1: that's not actually what the Rams are doing. It's not

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Speaker 1: what you think. I'll explain on the other side, he's

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Speaker 1: Buck Rising. I'm Jason fitzpucking fits him for Two Pros

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Speaker 1: and a Cup of Joe on Fox.

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Speaker 4: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and

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Speaker 4: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and

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Speaker 4: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.

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Speaker 1: It's two Pros and a Cup of Joe on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. But like Bucket Fits, he's Buck Rising. I'm

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Speaker 1: Jason Fitz. We're in for the boys, hanging out with

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Speaker 1: you this morning. We'll get to the Rams in just

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Speaker 1: a second, but first give a little bit of love

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Speaker 1: to Jason Tatum. It's time for the tire rack. Play

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Speaker 1: Oh the Day, pressed along the sideline, puts it into trouble,

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Speaker 1: gets it away to Kadu Kata, turned the tax kicks

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Speaker 1: out to the wing Open Tatum three, get it.

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Speaker 2: favorite features here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: I also love Tatum coming back. I'm not gonna like

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm injecteds in my veins. It makes me

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Speaker 1: a little nervous coming off the Achilles, but comes back,

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Speaker 1: has a double double in his first game back, has

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Speaker 1: another big game that last night. They did not shy

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Speaker 1: away from having him play a couple of times over

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Speaker 1: the course of the weekend. I wondered, if you play

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Speaker 1: a game and then take a few games off. I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying, if you're a Celtics fan right now, you

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Speaker 1: feel pretty good that your team was way ahead all

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Speaker 1: year of expectation, and now they're suddenly going to bring

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Speaker 1: Tata back. Like I do, I'm a little exhausted already

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Speaker 1: with the how are they all going to come back together,

741
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Speaker 1: like they haven't played a lot of basketball together for years.

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Speaker 1: I don't buy any of that. I think this would

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Speaker 1: be an easy assimilation and all of a sudden boom Celtics.

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Speaker 1: Celtics headed to the NBA Finals. I'm calling it early.

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Speaker 2: Well, I see, I don't know that you said something

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Speaker 2: like this, but it sounds like something that you would

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Speaker 2: say just for no other reason to bother people that

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Speaker 2: you were one of these people that thought that they

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Speaker 2: would be better off not having Jason Tatum return to

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Speaker 2: the lineup this year, because I saw that theory being

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Speaker 2: floated around, being like, oh, but they're already so good

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Speaker 2: without him, what's it going to do when they reinsert

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Speaker 2: him back into the lineups. He's an NBA All Star

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Speaker 2: type of player, and he's immediately going to make you better.

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Speaker 2: I mean, maybe immediately was too far a stretch, and

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Speaker 2: we have it's easy to do with that with the results,

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Speaker 2: the early results in hand. But yeah, I mean, he's

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Speaker 2: a really good basketball player on a team that's got

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Speaker 2: a bunch of good basketball players. Like, all he's gonna

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Speaker 2: do is raise the floor for that situation, if nothing else,

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Speaker 2: and if he can be you know, two thirds of

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Speaker 2: the player that he was prior to the injury or

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Speaker 2: when last we saw him. Then you're dealing with one

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Speaker 2: of the deepest rosters in basketball right now. Yeah, they

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Speaker 2: should absolutely be the favorites to win the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, no, I was not somebody that said

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Speaker 1: he shouldn't play, not.

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Speaker 2: To win the NBA Finals, but to represent to the

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Speaker 2: East in the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 1: For the like, the East is going to have a

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Speaker 1: wonderful time crawling over each other for the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: get shellacked by any of the teams in the West

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Speaker 1: an them. So, but no, I wasn't somebody that said

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Speaker 1: they shouldn't bring him back. My only fear is bringing

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Speaker 1: him back early, because there's plenty of basketball left for Tatum.

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Speaker 1: So to me, what I didn't want to have happened

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Speaker 1: was the concept of, man, we thought that this Celtics

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Speaker 1: team could be really bad. Now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: it's really good. That needs to change our timeline for

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Speaker 1: Jason Tatum. I think you really have to keep two separate,

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Speaker 1: siloed conversations of like, when is Tatum ready? Is the

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Speaker 1: only thing that matters for the Tatum Celtics conversation Now

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Speaker 1: that being said, certainly, I've had the chance to interview

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Speaker 1: him a couple of times for Yaho Sports, and I

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Speaker 1: know he's talked a lot about how difficult this process

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Speaker 1: has been, and the mental health that this is required,

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Speaker 1: and all of these things. He has a team of

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Speaker 1: his own doctors. The Celtics have a team of doctors.

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Speaker 1: They're not putting him out on the court unless they

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Speaker 1: believe he is at a spot where they are not

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Speaker 1: risking re injury. That was my only concern was, don't

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Speaker 1: let a great season change your timeline on Tatum, even

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Speaker 1: though it's tempting to do, because what I need is

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Speaker 1: Jason Tatum to be able to play for the rest

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Speaker 1: of his career, not to have some kinetic chain injury

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Speaker 1: to the rest of his leg or any other portion

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Speaker 1: of his leg. That was my only fear book. But

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Speaker 1: I think all of that aside. There's no way they

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Speaker 1: put him on the court unless they thought they were ready.

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Speaker 1: And now that he is on the court, yes, and

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00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: clearly this Celtics team is just dynamic and deep. And

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Speaker 1: now they have two guys that can just beat the

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Speaker 1: snot out of you all over the place, two guys

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Speaker 1: that can play at an MVP caliber level. Two guys

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Speaker 1: that can pick up the slack and the scoring. Like

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Speaker 1: I just, yeah, they're going to be a handful forever.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't blame any fan base though, for

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Speaker 2: wringing their hands a little bit about putting a guy

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Speaker 2: back out there after coming off of achilles injury. No

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Speaker 2: matter when they get out there, right, there's always going

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Speaker 2: to be those nerves. And it's not a situation like

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Speaker 2: Kevin Duran a couple of years ago, where he came

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Speaker 2: back ahead of schedule or tried to come back ahead

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Speaker 2: of schedule for the purposes of helping his team in

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Speaker 2: the postseason, ended up reinjuring. And that's one of the

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Speaker 2: lasting images that any basketball fan has about, Okay, how

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Speaker 2: do you handle these this specific kind of an injury correctly?

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Speaker 2: And how do you how do you basically protect the

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Speaker 2: athletes from themselves, because there's a lot of situations where

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Speaker 2: dudes are going to tell you they're ready far before

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Speaker 2: they actually are. And so it's good that the Celtics

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Speaker 2: were patient in the process of working him back in

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Speaker 2: his return to play so that they can get the

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Speaker 2: best version of him at this point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all of which is going to give them the

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Speaker 1: best opportunity to then get just beat down by either

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Speaker 1: the Spurs or the Thunder, who just look like they

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Speaker 1: are playing welcome back well and leads of their and

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Speaker 1: the Thunder haven't been healthy even though they haven't been healthy.

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Speaker 1: The Thunder Who's still managed to do this all year long,

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Speaker 1: So it is going to be wild, all right. Speaking

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Speaker 1: of wild, f M pix has become a mantra for

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Speaker 1: the Rams, but it's not true. We'll tell you about

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Speaker 1: it next fucking fits. Fox Sports Radio