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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markoman Show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is host of the Black and Jewish

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Speaker 1: podcast and cultural diplomat A Shia Solomon. Hi, a Shira,

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Speaker 1: So nice to have you on.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Carol, thank you for having me. I'm so excited

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Speaker 2: to be here.

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Speaker 1: So you host the Black and Jewish Podcast, which I

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Speaker 1: would say that people would be surprised to hear that combination.

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Speaker 1: Do you find that people are surprised?

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Speaker 2: Yes, they're like, what does this mean? It's called black

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Speaker 2: and Jewish because you're a black Jew, Or they don't understand, like,

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Speaker 2: what's the concept of the show, So.

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Speaker 3: What is it tell us about the show?

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Speaker 2: So the show is called Black and Jewish not because

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Speaker 2: I'm a Black Jew, but because I wanted to bridge

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Speaker 2: both of these communities that I'm both a part of

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Speaker 2: and I wanted to bring them together in a time,

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Speaker 2: especially after October seventh, that I felt like the black

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Speaker 2: community was being fed this narrative that they should be

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Speaker 2: aligning with the Palestinians because their narrative is similar to

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Speaker 2: the African American narrative, and as a Black American, I

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Speaker 2: felt very a fitted by this, and so as I

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Speaker 2: was seeing anti semitism rise, you know, everywhere, and in

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Speaker 2: the Black community. I was like, you know, there's so

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Speaker 2: many myths about both the Black community and what we

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Speaker 2: think about Jewish people and the Jewish community and what

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Speaker 2: people think they know about Jewish people. And I was like,

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Speaker 2: you know, I sit at the center of this, So

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Speaker 2: let me start a show to bridge both of them together.

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Speaker 2: And then also the show also when it's not talking

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Speaker 2: about bridging, I'm really tackling what's going on in the

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Speaker 2: Jewish community, what's going on with our own people, and

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Speaker 2: then also what are black issues political issues going on

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Speaker 2: in America. So I guess to't have like a three

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Speaker 2: part conversation.

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Speaker 1: So what are some of the misconceptions that you think

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Speaker 1: each community has about the other.

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Speaker 2: So for the Jewish community to the Black community, they

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Speaker 2: feel that the Black community is becoming deeply anti Semitic

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Speaker 2: from a place of hate and hating Jews, and I

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Speaker 2: believe that's a misconception. I believe that what we see

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Speaker 2: as anti Semitism in the Black community is not from

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Speaker 2: the hate of the Jewish prison, but it's from being

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Speaker 2: misinformed about Israel and about Jewish people. So it's not

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Speaker 2: so much that they hate them, like deep in their heart.

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Speaker 2: It's more so that they like they don't understand Jews

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Speaker 2: and Israel at all, like they don't have a real, actual,

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Speaker 2: accurate information. And then from the black community, there's tons

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Speaker 2: of misconceptions about the Jewish community and Israel. And man,

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Speaker 2: what the number one in misconception is like this white

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Speaker 2: colonizer idea Jews are you know, practicing colonialism in Israel.

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Speaker 2: That's probably like the biggest one. And that you know,

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Speaker 2: this this war and this conflict in Israel in the

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Speaker 2: Middle East is about white Jews winnings to suppress brown

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Speaker 2: moust Indians.

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Speaker 3: So how did you get into this?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 3: What was your path?

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Speaker 2: So I was living in Israel and I met Deputy

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Speaker 2: Mayor of Jerusalem flour Hassan Nahoon, And at the time,

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Speaker 2: I was a political moderator for women political leaders conferences

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Speaker 2: in the international scene. And I started to see that

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Speaker 2: there weren't any women being represented it from Israel, but

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Speaker 2: Jordan was there, Saudi Arabia was there, All these little

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Speaker 2: Eastern states where there there are women were there representing them.

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Speaker 2: And I said, well, I know there has to be

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Speaker 2: like women leaders in Israel Jewish.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So the one that I knew about because I

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Speaker 2: was only on LinkedIn at the time was Flor Hassan.

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Speaker 2: So I reached out to her.

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Speaker 3: She's really crazy.

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Speaker 2: She's my path into media and everything. So I really

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Speaker 2: give her a lot of thanks to who I am

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Speaker 2: and who I'm becoming because she's been such a great

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Speaker 2: mentor to me. So I reached out to her. I said,

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Speaker 2: these conferences that I'm going to? She said, yes, let's

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Speaker 2: do it. So this was some time around September, some

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Speaker 2: week of September. She calls me, mind you but I've

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Speaker 2: only met her once at this point. She calls me

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Speaker 2: out the blow but she goes, hey, I'm starting a

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Speaker 2: show called The Quad. It's going to be like The View,

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Speaker 2: but in Israel, and it's going to be Jewish women,

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Speaker 2: and you're going to be our fourth co host.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: She's like, guys, the producers have researched you, they liked you,

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Speaker 2: they seen some of the work that you've done, and

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Speaker 1: Asked do you want I said yes, actually very Israeli

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Speaker 1: to just feel like, here's what you're doing yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And I just said, oh my god, yes. I

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Speaker 2: didn't ask any follow up questions or anything. And then

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Speaker 2: and so it was supposed to launch in November. Unfortunately

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Speaker 2: October seventh happened. I get my second call from flour

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Speaker 2: ever in life, and she calls me two days after

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Speaker 2: October seventh and she says, listen, we're launching the quad.

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Speaker 2: Now we have to do Hasbora right now. We have

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Speaker 2: to get in front of this pr war that's about

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Speaker 2: to happen. And we went into the studio maybe two day,

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Speaker 2: two or three days after October seventh. I want to say, so,

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Speaker 2: this is me my first time in Israel experiencing an attack.

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Speaker 2: I've lived in Israel before, but never like an attack,

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Speaker 2: and I'm shaken to my course.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then I hop in the studio with Floor Hassan

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Speaker 2: and Emily Schrader, who's a journalist in the previous Canadian

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Speaker 2: ambassador to Israel, Vivian for Commage and I'm just like

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Speaker 2: thrown into media right there and there. So that's why

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Speaker 2: I got my start.

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Speaker 3: So how did it go?

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Speaker 2: So our first one it went really well. We all

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Speaker 2: was still like the first week. Like people I wasn't

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Speaker 2: living in Jerusalem at the time, People were not leaving

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Speaker 2: their homes. I was leaving my home. People were going

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Speaker 2: just in our homes. Like even I remember when shabat

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Speaker 2: me and my friends were even scared to walk to

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Speaker 2: did shabat by until we were so scared. So that

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Speaker 2: first episode was really us talking about where we are

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Speaker 2: and how we felt.

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Speaker 1: Right, Sophia, how would you define you use the word hsbarra?

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Speaker 1: I don't know if my audience maybe would know what

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Speaker 3: How do you define hespara?

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Speaker 2: Hsbara is defined as like the public relations diplomacy department

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Speaker 2: of explaining Israel to the international community, because I find.

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Speaker 1: It, you know, enemies of Israel used that term sort

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Speaker 1: of in a negative sense, but all it means is explainers.

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Speaker 2: Right, yes, yes, exactly.

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Speaker 1: So what would have been a plan be for you

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Speaker 1: if this wasn't where your life went. What would be

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Speaker 1: a different path, as Shira Solomon might have taken well.

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Speaker 2: So at the time, I was becoming a moderator on

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Speaker 2: I always thought that I was going to run for

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Speaker 2: political office at some point, and specifically I was starting

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Speaker 2: to lean towards how could I work in diplomacy. I

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Speaker 2: am a previous fellow of the Board Fellowship, which is

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Speaker 2: from the State Department, and they sent fellows out to

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Speaker 2: various countries. I got sent to Israel and then you

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Speaker 2: like that. And I haven't fulfilled that requirement. But I

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Speaker 2: that's why I call myself a cultural diplomat now, because

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Speaker 2: I still feel like I'm bridging and showing each other,

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Speaker 2: showing people you know each other's communities and stuff. But

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Speaker 2: I think I would have just kept on moderating and

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Speaker 2: then trying to build myself into maybe working for the

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Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right

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Speaker 1: back on the Carol marco It Show.

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Speaker 3: Is it hard being a bridge like? I feel like

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Speaker 3: that could get very tiring.

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Speaker 2: I find it rewarding because I care so much. I

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Speaker 2: care so much about the Jewish people, I care so

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Speaker 2: much about the Black community, and I find it to

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Speaker 2: be more than a burden because I not to toot

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Speaker 2: my own form. But I believe that I do it well.

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Speaker 2: And when I say I do it well, I believe

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Speaker 2: that I get to at least show representation, good representation

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Speaker 2: of who the Black community is and good representation of

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Speaker 2: the Jewish community. And I feel like in social media world,

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Speaker 2: you know, what goes viral is negative stuff.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And there's a whole sense of like I

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Speaker 1: shouldn't have to teach you, I shouldn't have to explain

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Speaker 1: anything to you. And you're sort of the antithesis of that.

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Speaker 1: You're saying, I'm going.

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Speaker 3: To teach you. I'm going to explain things to you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because I because really, at least for the in

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Speaker 2: the black community, I really do feel that the anti

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Speaker 2: Semitism is not from a deep hatred of Jews. I

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Speaker 2: really feel it's from that this misinformation. So if I

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Speaker 2: with you and talk to you, I believe change can

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Speaker 2: actually happen there. You know, I don't believe that you know,

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Speaker 2: this is a lost cause.

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Speaker 1: You know, right, Yeah, you have to believe in it

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Speaker 1: because otherwise you know that it's a lost cause for

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Speaker 3: In the work you're doing, you know exactly.

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Speaker 1: But I've met you and you're definitely very passionate. I

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Speaker 1: just wondered, you know if that was again we're in

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Speaker 1: this era of I shouldn't have to tell you anything,

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Speaker 1: and so for you to kind of challenge that, I

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Speaker 1: imagine must be hard.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes.

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Speaker 2: The one thing that I wanted to make sure that

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Speaker 2: is that representation piece. Because I feel like if I

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Speaker 2: like I'm representing them in a very wholesome, dignified way,

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Speaker 2: also attacking issues that we have in each community, you know,

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Speaker 2: but it's still I feel like I'm it's dignified for

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Speaker 3: Right, Absolutely, What do you worry about?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I love this question. So currently, what I worry about.

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Speaker 3: You're like, I'm Jewish. Here's my list.

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Speaker 2: What I worry about every night before I go to

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Speaker 2: sleep is when am I going to get married? And

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Speaker 2: when am I going to create a family. I've come

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Speaker 2: to the realization that I have my entire lifespan to

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Speaker 2: have my entire lifespan to create and build a family.

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Speaker 2: And I'm just thinking about when I was like in

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Speaker 2: my early twenties and you know, having fellowships on the still.

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Speaker 3: Look like you're in your early twenties. Ps.

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Speaker 2: I'm in my thirties.

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Speaker 3: Man, you look really good.

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Speaker 2: You I just remember, you know the mess of like

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Speaker 2: you know, do every fellowship, do every internship, work for everything,

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Speaker 2: take you know, because you need to build, build, build,

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Speaker 1: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. Well, I've loved this conversation.

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Speaker 1: You are just a gem. I think you're The work

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Speaker 1: you're doing is amazing and so meaningful. Leave us here

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Speaker 1: with your best tip for my listeners on how they

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Speaker 2: Oh, I love this question because I'm so obsessed with

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Speaker 2: I would say being brutally honest with yourself and who

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Speaker 2: yeah hard, you gotta go hard, it's being very graceful

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Speaker 1: I love that we're so tough on ourselves. I find

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Speaker 3: Women are toer on themselves than men are on themselves.

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Speaker 3: But like, yes, I was sick.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, It's okay, It's okay to sleep for another hour,

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Speaker 1: I think that, you know, go easier on yourself. You know,

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Speaker 2: Yes, And we need people to grow and heal because

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Speaker 2: I do believe all of our souls are connected in

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Speaker 2: her best self and when to share her best self,

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Speaker 2: we make the earth the world vibrate higher. So we

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Speaker 2: and you know what we do if on an individual level,

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Speaker 2: we're not whole. I don't believe we'll have actual change,

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Speaker 2: if that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: I love that she is a Shierra Solomon. Check out

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Speaker 1: the Black and Jewish podcast. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: coming

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Speaker 2: On a Shira, Thank you for having me, Carol