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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: That's right, it's Wednesday, which means it's time for us

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Speaker 2: to recap our old episodes with all new commentary and

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Speaker 2: updates and insights. And we are recording this one today

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Speaker 2: from the studio at Baja Maar.

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Speaker 3: That's right, it's a beachside podcast space at the Bahamar

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Speaker 3: Resort in Nasa, Bahamas.

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Speaker 1: We are literally in the freakin' Bahamas right now.

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Speaker 4: Where we came here for work. It's the greatest thing

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Speaker 4: that's ever.

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Speaker 5: Happened to This is a job.

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Speaker 4: It's amazing.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Today we're going to recap episode eighty eight, which

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Speaker 3: we named Live at the Comedy Theater from our live

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Speaker 3: show in Melbourne, Australia.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we're talking about Australia. We're in the Bahamas.

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Speaker 4: We are we are Women of the World.

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Speaker 2: And this episode came out on September twenty eighth, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: So now let's listen to the intro of episode eighty eight.

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Speaker 5: What's up, Melba.

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Speaker 2: Hi?

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Speaker 3: We put on hand motion like right as we were walking.

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Speaker 4: Out, a little bit greasy. Gio.

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Speaker 3: I'm not wringing my hands because I'm nervous.

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Speaker 2: It's because we've been waiting so long to see you Melbourne.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 3: This is you're right, No, yeah, but we're really yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're excited to be We bought a lot of stuff

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Speaker 3: already today. You guys have cute things.

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Speaker 5: Yes, some quality.

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Speaker 2: Well can we just start, Yeah, can we start where

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Speaker 2: I need to go?

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Speaker 4: I didn't want to bring it up, so no, it

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Speaker 4: was mine to bring up. It's mine to bring up.

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Speaker 2: We were just George and I were just sitting in

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Speaker 2: the in the dressing room, you know, in one of

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Speaker 2: them light up mirrors like they have backstage at theaters

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Speaker 2: like this, and we're just we're.

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Speaker 4: Just putting on pounds and pounds and.

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Speaker 2: Makeup and yep, talking about stuff and whatever. And we

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Speaker 2: just slowly as we're chatting, I.

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Speaker 4: Just started to tilt a little bit to the.

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Speaker 2: Right, and right as I was about to turn to

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Speaker 2: Georgia to say, hair.

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Speaker 4: Are you tilting to the right as I am, the

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Speaker 4: chair I was sitting in folded underneath me.

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Speaker 2: Legs of it broke and I fell all the way

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Speaker 2: down to the ground.

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Speaker 4: But I fell but first with my hands towards Georgia.

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Speaker 2: Like contact the whole way down help me.

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Speaker 5: And it was so slow and so sad like.

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Speaker 3: And I have that problem of like laughing when people.

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Speaker 4: Have unfortunate events.

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Speaker 5: But I know, like, oh no, isn't this fuck for you?

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Speaker 3: Like it's very.

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Speaker 2: Pompful, this is this was your way of like helping me.

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Speaker 2: Georgia's like this was barely extended. I was laughing way

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Speaker 2: harder than that me.

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Speaker 5: I think I just went to you and you because

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Speaker 5: I was like.

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Speaker 4: This isn't gonna go well.

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Speaker 2: I kept thinking that I was going to be able

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Speaker 2: to recover because so much time was passing. It was

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Speaker 2: like fucking January, February, March, so.

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Speaker 4: You were just waiting and this is gonna end.

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Speaker 2: But instead it just kept you just kept going, just

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Speaker 2: then Vince had to come in and pick me up

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Speaker 2: off the ground.

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Speaker 4: Was that it was that major.

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Speaker 3: And well today earlier hold on done no because I

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Speaker 3: was gonna share a thing that happened to me.

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Speaker 4: I know, I just need to fully process mine, though.

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Speaker 2: I'm positive mine's worse. The waves of shame are still

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Speaker 2: hitting me.

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Speaker 4: No shame, no so much.

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Speaker 3: It was like the chair had been broken before clearly

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Speaker 3: and was now duct taped together.

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Speaker 5: And that was the story we're going with. When you

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Speaker 5: bend metal.

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Speaker 4: With your ass, Okay, what happened to you? Did you

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Speaker 4: fall down?

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Speaker 3: I know I did something dumb then front a lot

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Speaker 3: of people that wasn't whatever. I was like, first day,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go shopping all kinds of vintage stuff.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm gonna go sit a cafe

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Speaker 3: It's like I don't dressed up, and I put makeup on,

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Speaker 3: and I was like leaving the hotel with my headphones

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Speaker 3: in and like all these like dudes who park cars

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Speaker 3: like when I do anything, I make a lot of note,

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Speaker 3: the guys just to be like can you relate, you know,

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Speaker 3: just to be like I'm okay, and he was just

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Speaker 3: staring at me like he was disgusted at me.

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Speaker 4: We're going to get him fired.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's been a clumsy day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then and then just one more just hit

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Speaker 2: me o. Oh no, it's just going to keep happening.

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Speaker 2: Do do do until I eat wrangles in my hotel

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Speaker 2: room tonight alone?

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Speaker 1: Do it?

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Speaker 4: I will you guys, what an amazing trip we're in Australia,

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Speaker 4: the CHRISTI it's it's I had to tell you.

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Speaker 2: When they first suggested this idea that we come down

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Speaker 2: and do this tour, both of us are like.

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Speaker 4: We can't do that. Yeah, we can't. We can't travel.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I get anxiety, can't.

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Speaker 2: Go far away. Yeah, it seemed impossible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it seemed like a joke. Yeah we'll go okay, sure,

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Speaker 3: tell them we'll be there.

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Speaker 4: Totally. But then it actually worked out. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think a big part of that was that somebody,

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Speaker 2: and I'm not sure who it was, flew us first class.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, don't do it jealous.

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Speaker 5: I feel that there's definitely a banger.

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Speaker 3: We'll go anywhere. If you fly us first class, we'll

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Speaker 3: go to help.

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Speaker 2: We'll be like first class. We'd love to go to

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Speaker 2: Hell and do a couple of shows.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do they have.

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Speaker 4: A uh, do they have a menu? I can take

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Speaker 3: Do they have a lounge?

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Speaker 5: For all the people we talk about are there?

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Speaker 2: We might it might actually be very dangerous for us

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Speaker 2: to go.

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Speaker 3: But to make things fair and like to make myself

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Speaker 3: not get a big head, I stole something from first class.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Georgia. Georgia kept it super real in first class.

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Speaker 3: I was a little like fuck the man join you

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Speaker 3: know punk rock always yes with us? Yeah, but can

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Speaker 3: I get another champagne please?

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Speaker 4: Yes? And I need a better pillow.

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Speaker 3: So you got really excited because they served us food.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know.

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Speaker 3: I love that how that bart I got really they

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Speaker 3: served us food.

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Speaker 4: Everyone gets excited about food.

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Speaker 3: Then Karen turned around in her seat and said to me.

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Speaker 4: Did you see the salt with pepper shakers?

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Speaker 2: Because they were a little pepper and a big salt

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Speaker 3: Yes, oh yes, it was like pretty adorable.

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Speaker 4: I think I saw them.

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Speaker 3: So so then I had four wine with dinner.

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Speaker 4: Or breakfast. We're not sure.

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Speaker 5: We don't know what time it was.

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Speaker 4: We still don't they.

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Speaker 3: Close the shades. They turned the lights down. There was like,

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Speaker 3: you know, they put like fake twinkly lights up. So

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Speaker 3: we're like dinner, great wine.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I believe it.

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Speaker 4: Dinner, dinner, wine.

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Speaker 3: And then after dinner, I go backstage to get to

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Speaker 4: And we all did that twice?

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Speaker 5: Is that because the curtain?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 3: These people are like bustling around working. It reminds me

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Speaker 3: of like, well, you know what you think life's really like,

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Speaker 3: which is like this, everything's fake. We're not really on

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Speaker 3: a plane in the air. It's stimulation in your brain.

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Speaker 3: So we go backstage. Yet it happens.

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Speaker 2: That's where all the clockwork, right, it's four hamsters and

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Speaker 2: a thing making the plane go exactly.

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Speaker 3: Everyone's working and bustling around, and I'm waiting for the

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Speaker 4: Excuse me, the laboratory.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm first class now. And I'm like scrunched into

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Speaker 3: So I again for four wines, and so I fucking

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Speaker 3: into my scarf, took care and then I walked by Karen. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Oh no the police.

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Speaker 3: And as I walked by Karen, I was I was

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Speaker 3: like giddy, while I was like even peeing. I was like, OK,

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Speaker 3: say that for when we're like in Brisbane for our

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Speaker 1: I can't do it.

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Speaker 4: I can't do it.

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Speaker 3: I can't do it now. So I walked by to

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Speaker 3: the and like threw them at her.

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Speaker 2: And I had already was trying to figure out how

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Speaker 2: to look them up online to buy them. I was like,

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Speaker 2: would that be in sky Mall or does Virgin have

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Speaker 2: their own version.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, all like this.

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Speaker 2: Of course there's no Wi Fi to check anything, so

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Speaker 4: And then squirrely Scarfee.

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Speaker 2: Walks by and goes like that and puts me in

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Speaker 2: my hand. I almost started crying. I went I tried

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Speaker 2: to grab her face.

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Speaker 4: I was like, only but quietly, because everyone else is.

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Speaker 3: Asleep except for the baby.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I was screaming in first.

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Speaker 5: Wow, first class baby.

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Speaker 2: Rare a rare bird screaming first class baby. You could

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Speaker 2: hear the other the people who are used to being

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Speaker 2: a first class, who live there and that's their normal life.

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Speaker 5: They're just like, is.

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Speaker 4: The baby leaving before we take off.

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Speaker 5: Where's the Who's taking a baby away?

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Speaker 2: Is there a night nurse or a wet nurse aware

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Speaker 2: to take the noise making baby away?

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Speaker 3: Maybe a white wet night nurse, a white newt nurse. No,

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Speaker 3: too many, too many words that I just tried to

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Speaker 3: say at once. What was the other thing? How about

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Speaker 3: the shirt you got me? Oh?

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Speaker 5: Just today?

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Speaker 4: You mean?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 4: Then I wand walking out in Melbourne, doodoo boo.

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Speaker 2: I do have to admit we were in Auckland for

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Speaker 2: forty eight hours and I saw the inside of my

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Speaker 2: hotel room and then the inside of the theater that

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Speaker 2: I was in. I know, it's not funny because it's

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Speaker 2: like the most beautiful country on the planet.

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Speaker 3: Perhaps they don't want to hear that, and.

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Speaker 4: No, it's here. Oh are they like?

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Speaker 2: Is this like, yeah, the Dodgers versus the giant style

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Speaker 3: Yeah, or the coasts versus the middle of the our

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Speaker 3: Huh?

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Speaker 2: Is this some intense political ship I just stumbled into.

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Speaker 2: Fuck anyway, it's so ugly. I stayed inside.

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Speaker 4: Steven cut it. Oh, Stephen's here.

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Speaker 2: Here, Come on, Stephen, leave to the people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look at him, say hi.

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Speaker 5: Hi, yeah, say hi hello.

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Speaker 3: Here we go.

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Speaker 4: Okay, now can we have that spotlight? Stephen's gonna sing

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Speaker 4: a song?

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Speaker 1: Really cool?

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Speaker 3: No, Mike, okay, bye, but somebody then we're making him

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Speaker 3: sleep in someone else's car. No, we're not his own car.

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Speaker 4: You're like that was the hilarious older Sister movie. We're like,

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Speaker 5: Not even anyone's older sister.

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Speaker 3: But I'm good at it.

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Speaker 4: Pretty fun, right good. We have good training.

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Speaker 3: She got me a shirt. Uh there's a store that

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Speaker 3: you guys have. It's like the best called Dangerfield.

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Speaker 5: Dangerfield.

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Speaker 3: Yeah fuck fuck, it's so cute. I got like I had.

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Speaker 3: I got a scarf that's like flower print, and then

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Speaker 3: there's just flying squirrels, lit little ones all over it,

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Speaker 3: and then one that's the same thing, but flying bats

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Speaker 5: So you can come hoose to ground bats.

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Speaker 3: Shit, I meant sorry, bats and flying squirrels. Is that

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Speaker 3: what you got?

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Speaker 4: Bats?

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Speaker 5: Bats?

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Speaker 3: And then you came back from the hotel.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was in the store. I once she was

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Speaker 2: showed me all these things.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, now I have to go.

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Speaker 2: So I want to because at every point somebody, either

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Speaker 2: So she went, she took the first shift and went

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Speaker 2: I went out to Dangerfields, and I was like, I

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Speaker 4: But I'm like, looking through that, there's so many tiny things.

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Speaker 3: Also, like what size is a small or a medium?

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Speaker 3: What size is a medium here? I don't know.

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Speaker 4: It's all small.

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Speaker 3: And the tiny shop girl was like, well, I'm an eight,

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, well then I'm a fucking forty.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, you fucking bitch.

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Speaker 2: Oh anyhow, No, but I'm going through these shirts and

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Speaker 2: everything I pull out has like a different wonderful like

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Speaker 5: Ye sure your stuff, your mascot, it's the gun, what

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Speaker 5: you love? Flip flip flip.

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Speaker 2: Pull out and there's a shirt and it has a

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Speaker 4: I was just like, So I text, I took a picture.

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Speaker 4: I sent it to Georgia. I'm like, why don't buy this?

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Speaker 3: Like I had been like fuck you, and I put

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Speaker 3: it back.

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Speaker 4: Well, clearly I didn't see it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So then she came back knock on the door.

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Speaker 2: And I brought it. I brought it to her. But Georgia,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this about her. Georgia

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Speaker 2: loves to be nude.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's nude or house dress. In my preferred form

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Speaker 3: of being, yes, ferd state of being.

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Speaker 4: It's fun.

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Speaker 2: My preferred state of being is slowly falling off of

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Speaker 3: I like to be nude sods so like Perverty, but

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Speaker 3: it's not in a Perverty way.

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Speaker 4: It's natural.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I answered the door naked. I like to use

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Speaker 3: it as a joke.

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Speaker 2: She's like, what's up, Just like, here's your shirt.

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Speaker 4: I wish I didn't get you. Now put some clothes,

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Speaker 4: put this with pants. It's fun to be. It's fun

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Speaker 3: People don't expect you just to be in what you know,

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Speaker 3: naked is funny.

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Speaker 5: It was, it was funny.

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Speaker 4: It was very funny.

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Speaker 5: We know each other very well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, here's what I was gonna say. So when

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Speaker 3: It is to us. It's like you guys would too.

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Speaker 4: He never hasn't been, and perhaps you.

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Speaker 2: Do if you ever go to the fucking first class lounge. Dude,

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Speaker 2: they have all the stuff sitting out that's like the nicest.

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Speaker 3: Stuff to eat, Like before you even get on the plane.

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Speaker 3: They're like, he doesn't worry. You don't have to hang

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Speaker 3: out with leaves, got upstairs, get out in the airport,

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Speaker 3: don't eat burger.

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Speaker 5: Can't come up here. And so they have all these

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Speaker 5: little j jars.

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Speaker 4: It's hungry jacks. Oh, hungry jacks. Hungry jack.

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Speaker 5: Wow, it's good stuff.

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Speaker 4: So they had all these little jars.

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Speaker 2: Of yogurt with musli mixed in, which is very foreign

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Speaker 2: and we don't have.

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Speaker 4: Really that in America.

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Speaker 2: You have it, but it's like at Whole Foods, and

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Speaker 2: it's for hippies whatever she's talking about.

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Speaker 3: Mus not yogurt. You also have yogurt with granola. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you guys have yogurt.

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Speaker 2: And dry goats milk yogurt served by the goat who

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Speaker 2: gave you the.

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Speaker 4: Milk, so charming, stewed fruit, stewid fruits.

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Speaker 2: Tied in a ribbon, stuffed into your music. So I

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Speaker 2: was like, this is my new lifestyle. I'm just gonna

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Speaker 2: do musli and yogurt for the rest of my life.

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Speaker 4: And then we were joking around.

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Speaker 2: I was that we were like, oh no, because we

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Speaker 2: were Then we somebody gave us tim Tams and we

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Speaker 2: were like, oh shit, here's the dream because tim tams

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Speaker 2: are clearly the perfect food.

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Speaker 4: Second only to musli and yogurt.

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Speaker 2: And we were like, what if there was a tim

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Speaker 2: Tam murder? That would be so amazing. Either that's the

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Speaker 2: weapon or it's you know, yeah, two people is a

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Speaker 2: last box or whatever. Well, I'm looking on the internet

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Speaker 2: if you like to do. There has been a Muslie murder.

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Speaker 5: What did you hear about that? She springing this on me?

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Speaker 4: Oh you did not? I told you when Okay, listen

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Speaker 4: to this. Could you give us a second?

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Speaker 2: The fucking owner, I swear to you, the owner of

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Speaker 2: a famous musli company, a seventy five year old man

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Speaker 2: stabbed his business partner to death.

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Speaker 4: You know about this.

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Speaker 3: There's a murmur very recently, a murmur from the Musli community.

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Speaker 2: They had to shut their their specific Musli company down.

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Speaker 4: I think it's called the Muse Company. Wow, something like that.

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Speaker 3: They dude, that's so weird. And then the murder I

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Speaker 3: did in Brisbane, sorry the chick and chick can confess

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Speaker 3: because they gave her tim tams.

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Speaker 5: Remember, oh yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 3: That might have not been correct, but I saw it

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Speaker 3: in one article and I was like, I'm going with that.

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Speaker 5: Who cares, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: This, by the way, is my favorite murder. Are we clearly?

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Speaker 4: This is Georgia Hart and charge of heart Stark.

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Speaker 3: That's Karen Kilgara. I'm Karen, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 4: H all right, sweet? Is it sit down time? Do

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Speaker 4: you think that's it?

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Speaker 2: We've done everything we can, We've done everything we can.

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Speaker 2: I'm scared to sit down. Do you want to switch chairs?

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Speaker 2: Just in case?

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Speaker 5: I mean, will it help?

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Speaker 2: I do? Look, okay, just if I start to slide

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Speaker 2: to the right, just you there, just stick.

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Speaker 4: Your hand up, just do one of these.

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Speaker 2: Because I can't do it again.

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Speaker 3: You just put a lot on that. Poor girl is

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Speaker 4: Now it was like this.

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Speaker 3: I thought you were like aghast is something I had said?

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Speaker 2: What I said it was almost like Michael Jackson kind

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Speaker 2: of like.

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Speaker 4: But then I ended up on my ass.

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Speaker 3: I just want to make it clear that I did

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Speaker 3: not just laugh at you and not try to help you.

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Speaker 3: I came for you to save you. I just happened

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Speaker 3: to be laughing the whole time.

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Speaker 4: It was just so slow.

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Speaker 2: Also, I just knew you couldn't help me. At that point,

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Speaker 2: I was beyond help. It was here's the thing, and

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Speaker 2: we all know this. Once you fall in public, like

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Speaker 2: you can start to fall and you'd be and if

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Speaker 2: you catch yourself you can just walk away.

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Speaker 4: Maybe you have some hot cheeks, but that's all right.

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Speaker 4: You hit the ground, it's over.

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Speaker 2: You're fucking done. You're done for you're the person that fell.

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Speaker 2: If on top of that, you're the girl.

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Speaker 4: That broke two legs of a chair. Good night, nurse.

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Speaker 4: How am I right now? It doesn't make sense? How

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Speaker 4: are we doing okay? Half eaten mint? Yeah, I shouldn't

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Speaker 4: have put that in right before we walked out on

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Speaker 4: streage and we are back.

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Speaker 3: I have a really important question for you. Yes, do

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Speaker 3: you still have that salt and pepper shakers that I stole.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely you do.

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Speaker 2: I brought them up to my dad's house because I

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Speaker 2: was like, I will knock them off a like counter

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Speaker 2: and have them have them drop. Yeah, so they're in

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Speaker 2: my dad's kitchen up. But I literally see them every

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Speaker 2: time I go to my dad's house, Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: because he's for some weird reason, I can't remember if

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Speaker 2: we talked about this when.

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Speaker 4: We were there. He loves Australia.

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Speaker 2: My parents went to Australia for a big trip and

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Speaker 2: he was gonna go again, and so I just I

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Speaker 2: brought them up and showed them to them, and then

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Speaker 2: was like, what.

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Speaker 4: If we just put these right there? Because they're like sculptures.

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Speaker 3: I know, they're like it looks like the opera house,

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Speaker 3: I mean in Saltan like so good. If they don't

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Speaker 3: want those to get stolen, they shouln't make them look

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Speaker 3: so fucking cool.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I must have stolen them all.

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Speaker 1: The time, right all the time.

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Speaker 3: And I bet they knew that I did. I probably

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Speaker 3: wasn't like chill. I'd had four glasses of wine with dinners.

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Speaker 2: I will say this, when you handed them off to me,

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Speaker 2: you it was the kind of thing of like you

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Speaker 2: were acting out the thing. I was like, just steal them,

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Speaker 2: just steal them.

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Speaker 4: No, they'll know it was you.

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Speaker 2: You have to act like the kind of person that's

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Speaker 2: been in first class before.

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Speaker 4: Stop blah blah blah. And then when you did it,

455
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 4: you just it was such a secret handoff.

456
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Speaker 3: That's hilarious.

457
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 1: Proud of Georgia from twenty eighteen. She did Severn. She

458
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: had some great moments. Also.

459
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Speaker 2: One of your greatest moments is how the way you

460
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 2: helped me and or didn't help me as my chair

461
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 2: fell apart in slow motion.

462
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 3: I remember that exact moment. You were so slowly collapsing.

463
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 3: It was the weirdest because you weren't getting hurt. I

464
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 3: could tell no, But it was so funny.

465
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 4: We didn't know.

466
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 2: It was almost like we didn't know what was going on.

467
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 2: But then it was like once I tipped past the

468
00:22:59,080 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 2: point at the.

469
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 1: Set, we can't ignore it anymore.

470
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,479
Speaker 2: Just like reaching and your reach was a classic, like

471
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 2: when your sisters like hand me that thing and you're like.

472
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: Here, I think the chair was melting.

473
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 4: Yes, I didn't understand what was happening.

474
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 3: Why would someone duct tape a chair leg? Back on

475
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 3: and expected that doesn't it's on them. That's not even

476
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 3: your embarrassment.

477
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 2: But also it became it might as well have been

478
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 2: the theme of the entire tour is just like the funniest,

479
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 2: weirdest experience.

480
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: Stephen was there.

481
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,239
Speaker 3: That's also the show where someone gave us like they

482
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 3: left us presence after the show. And I think someone

483
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 3: accidentally gave us their makeup bag.

484
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: But if they had like a like a murder makeup bag.

485
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think they accidentally like because I got

486
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,959
Speaker 3: their sunglasses out of it and they have a photo

487
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 3: of myself in the sunglasses.

488
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, for shit, we love free Ship.

489
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 3: Okay, now let's do your story, which is such a

490
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 3: crazy story and I had never heard this one before.

491
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 3: I still can't believe that this is the person I

492
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 3: ever heard about this story. Then you did it live. Yeah,

493
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 3: and that it's a very special episode because it's got

494
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 3: our very first introduction to Paul Onion.

495
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 4: To Paul Onion.

496
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 3: All right, let's get into Karen's story about Ivan Malott

497
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 3: and the backpacker murders. So you're first, it's me right,

498
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 3: all right, Okay, I'm gonna settle in, guys.

499
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 5: I decided to just.

500
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 2: Go for it and pick one of the most famous

501
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: serial killers in Australian history, Ivan Malatt.

502
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 3: I spit hello, oh is he here?

503
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 2: Something like this is gonna be titter titter titter titter

504
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 2: titter titter titter titter.

505
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 5: I went to school with Ivan Malatt's grandson. I worked

506
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 5: with his nephew.

507
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 4: My mom used to be.

508
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 2: In this office where this wife of the secretary turned

509
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: out to be.

510
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 3: We want all those people to email us. By the way, Yeah,

511
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 3: that's right, I cap fun.

512
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 4: You had best.

513
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 5: Uh that cheer.

514
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 4: We always feel like we need to say for the

515
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 4: people who.

516
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 2: Are here for the first time, with people who forced

517
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 2: them to come. Never yeah, the people that work here,

518
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 2: people have never listened to this podcast.

519
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 4: We're not cheering for murder. No, we're not.

520
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 5: I mean it seems like we are, but I swear to.

521
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 4: God we're not.

522
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 5: That's not what's happened.

523
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 3: Remember in Auckland when we were meeting people afterwards and

524
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 3: these two girls came up and we hugged them, and

525
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 3: then I looked at the girl's face and I'm like,

526
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 3: this is the first time you've heard the podcast.

527
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: Huh.

528
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 3: She's like yeah, Like I could tell by your face

529
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 3: because you were not happy to see us. You were

530
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 3: a little nervous. But your friend was like you were like, hey, hey, hey,

531
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 3: you guys are scary.

532
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 5: We're an acquired taste.

533
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, like people like, uh, what's it called? Marmite? Yeap, vegamite?

534
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 2: Begemi sy sorry, vegemie sorry sorry. So some girls send

535
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 2: to us, they gave us vegemite and then they go,

536
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: don't put it on like natilla.

537
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think that's a mistake.

538
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 4: It's disgusting.

539
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 3: It's like, well, you ate a fucking spoonful of it.

540
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 5: You're not supposed to, like eating a spoonful.

541
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 3: Of mayonnaise and being like eh, it's like, well you

542
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 3: fucking did it wrong.

543
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: But I love the idea that like you put on

544
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 2: everything like a Natella.

545
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 4: You're just like we're all.

546
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 2: Going through life, like, I bet this is super delicious,

547
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 2: exactly like Katella, no matter what, even though it smells.

548
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 4: Like fucking Nichols.

549
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 2: I mean, what's up Australia?

550
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 4: Okay.

551
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 2: I would like to say that my sources for learning

552
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 2: all about Ivan Molatt and the Backpacker Murders are a

553
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: British show called Crimes that shook the world.

554
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 5: Congratulations, you shook the world.

555
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 2: A show called Crime Scene Investigation Australia, which is yeah,

556
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: it's really good, except for on YouTube it's ripped and

557
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: so it's backwards. It only takes up like a quarter

558
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: of the bottom of the screen and the audio is

559
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: sped up. So as I watched it, I began to

560
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 2: go insane. So I took a hit for you on

561
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 2: that one.

562
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 4: Oh wow. And then also a.

563
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 2: Website just called news dot com dot auo Barren.

564
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,239
Speaker 3: Yes, your computer is on fire right now. Back at

565
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 3: the hotel.

566
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 4: It's all just Russian people in my computer.

567
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 5: Oh look at this, she's weird.

568
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 4: Wow, she likes violence.

569
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: So in the late eighties and early nineties Georgia, I

570
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 2: don't know if you know this, let me know it.

571
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 4: This was really my time when I was really at

572
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 4: my prime.

573
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 2: I hardly broke any chairs, and I was doing all

574
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:17,479
Speaker 2: kinds of drugs and drinks. Well, people who weren't total

575
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 2: losers like me were backpacking.

576
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 4: All through Australia.

577
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: It became such a huge thing because you could come

578
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 2: to Australia cheaply, and then you could you could on

579
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: a shoestring budget. You could backpack all throughout the gorgeous country.

580
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 2: You could go to the gorgeous world famous beaches. And

581
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: actually they started building youth hostels so that people could

582
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: do this, and it turned into a billion dollar industry

583
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: of backpacking around Australia.

584
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 4: Wow, in this time.

585
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 5: That all changed.

586
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 6: Oh no, Yeah.

587
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 4: On September nineteenth, nineteen ninety two.

588
00:28:55,320 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: Two joggers who were running on a trail in Balangelo

589
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: State Forest.

590
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 4: Never run on the trail, oh, Bilanglo. Oh I added

591
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 4: a knee in there. Sorry, Blangelo, I'm homesick.

592
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: Bilangolo State Forest. So they're imagine this. They're jogging on

593
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: a trail and they smell something so strongly that they

594
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: know it could only be.

595
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 4: A dead body.

596
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 5: So they go off the trail about ten meters.

597
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: I don't know how far that is in America.

598
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 3: Listen, we were busy shopping all day. We didn't have Yeah,

599
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 3: I'm bigdocom.

600
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 4: I've been shopping and falling.

601
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: Me too.

602
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: So in the brush, buried under some sticks and leaves,

603
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: they find the body of Carolyn Clark.

604
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 5: The police are called.

605
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: They set up a search area and the next day,

606
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: in doing one of those walking searches where it's like

607
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: thirty police officers armed arm. They find the body of

608
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: Joanne Walter. She's found about oh thirty yards away. Okay,

609
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to go metric and American, all right, all

610
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: throughout this.

611
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 3: Throw them in there.

612
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 4: What's up yards?

613
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 5: Okay?

614
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 4: So these two women had been missing for five months.

615
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 5: They were both.

616
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: Young British students who had come separately to Australia. They

617
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: both had always dreamed of coming here and backpacking here.

618
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 5: They both loved.

619
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Speaker 2: Traveling, and they met at one of these the hostels

620
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Speaker 2: and they had decided that they were going to spend

621
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Speaker 2: the summer picking fruit to make money and then like

622
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 2: finance their backpacking around around Australia. So in April, after

623
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 2: they had kind of done all that, they had decided

624
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: to hitchhike back to Melbourne, and that was the last

625
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: time anyone saw them alive. The police determined that Carolyn

626
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 2: had a sweater.

627
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 4: Tied around her head. She'd been raped and shot in

628
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Speaker 4: the head ten holy shit.

629
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 2: Joanne had been raped and she had been stabbed fourteen times.

630
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: Both of the women were bound, and they had found

631
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: Winchester cartridge cases near the bodies. So, yeah, they're real quiet, okay,

632
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: But other than what I just named, there was almost

633
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: no evidence that they could find, and so essentially the

634
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: case went cold. And so a man who lived nearby

635
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: and who knew that forest really well. His name was

636
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: Bruce Pryor, and he had kept checking the newspaper to

637
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: see if any other stories would come up about these

638
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: two bodies that had been found there, and he didn't

639
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: see any, and so he decided, since he knew the

640
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: forest so well, he was just going to start going

641
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: out and looking to see if there was anything else

642
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 2: to be found. So for the next nine months he

643
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: searched around one thousand meters of forest and then one

644
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: day he spots a human skull.

645
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 5: It's upside down in the dirt.

646
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 4: He picks it up. Oh, he didn't know it was

647
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 4: the nineties. He brings it to the police and so.

648
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: He had good intentions it don't he meant, well, at.

649
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 3: Least he didn't use it as an ash tray. Yeah,

650
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: that's true a couple months or he didn't.

651
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: Go like I was right and throw it back down

652
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: and shows that out.

653
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 4: This will show them, Okay.

654
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 2: So basically the police were like, holy fuck, and they

655
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: come out and they set up a perimeter and they

656
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: start searching the area and then a second.

657
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 4: Body is found.

658
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: Well that would this is actually a fourth body is

659
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: found twenty two meters away from where that skull had

660
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 2: been in the ground. So these are the remains of

661
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: James Gibson and Deborah Everest. They were two students who

662
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,239
Speaker 2: grew up in Melbourne. They decided that they were going

663
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: to hitchhike together to a music festival in Albury, and

664
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: they had both been missing for four years. James's bone

665
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: had been marked with multiple stab wounds. Deborah had been bound,

666
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: She was savagely beaten, she had a lot of broken

667
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: bones in her face and she had been stabbed. Their

668
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: bodies were six hundred meters from where Carolyn and.

669
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 4: Joanne had been found. So now the police set up

670
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 4: a task force of.

671
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: Three hundred police officers and they start combing the entire forest.

672
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 2: So relatively soon after that they find the remains of

673
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: German tourists Simone Schmidtel. She disappeared while she was hiking

674
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 2: from Sydney to Melboyn on January twentieth, nineteen ninety one,

675
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 2: and they determined that she based on the marks, and

676
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: this is how it happened. With a lot of these

677
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: remains because there was so little of them left that

678
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: they just had to count the stab wounds on the bones,

679
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: so they knew she had been stabbed minimum eight times.

680
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: After her body was found, the police made an official

681
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: statement that they.

682
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 4: Had a serial killer on their hands.

683
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: That statement, of course, makes international news because Simone Schmidtel

684
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: was German. Uh, the first two women were British. It

685
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: just goes everywhere that that now hitchhikers are going missing

686
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: and then bodies are being discovered. Well up in Birmingham, England,

687
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: a man with my favorite name in the world.

688
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 4: Paul Onions.

689
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 3: Oh my god, come on, dude, go find him.

690
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 4: I mean to make him mine.

691
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: You don't know me, and I certainly don't know you.

692
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 4: Karen Onions, missus Paul Onions.

693
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 3: Wow.

694
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 2: So Paul Onions right, he gets the paper and he

695
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 2: sees the story and he fucking freaks out because four

696
00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: years earlier he had a very interesting experience very near

697
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 2: the Bilangalow National Florist Bilangalow.

698
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: It's really scary for this podcast, saying whenever you say

699
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: that a place, you get this like scared feeling because

700
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 3: you just start waiting for a scream at you imagine that.

701
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 2: That's why we have started our new program spell it

702
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: like you say, yep, yeah, we just it would help

703
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 2: us so much if people would just fucking start spelling

704
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: things phonetically yep, and stop being assholes.

705
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 4: Okay, So here's the thing he called.

706
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 2: There's a hotline number in the article that he's reading,

707
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 2: so he calls up and.

708
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 5: He's like, hey, I'd like to give an.

709
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 2: Official statement because here's what's happened to me four years ago.

710
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 4: He's hitchhiking. He was hitchhiking.

711
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: He was in Liverpool, but in Australia he was, and

712
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 2: he's trying to hitchhike a thousand kilometers back to Melbourne

713
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 2: and he meets He's like trying all day. He finally

714
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: meets a guy named Bill who's super nice and cool,

715
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: and Bill's like like, oh, hey, are you trying to hitchhike.

716
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 4: Where you're going?

717
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 2: And Paul Onions is like, I'm trying to get to

718
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 2: Melbourne and he's like, so am my jump in my.

719
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 4: Big old truck.

720
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 3: Listen Onions.

721
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 5: It was like hey, blumen Onion, And that's how the

722
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 5: Outback Staycast was born.

723
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: Sorry about that, so sorry, we don't go there no, Okay,

724
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: So they're in this truck.

725
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 5: This story is so fucked up. Do you know that.

726
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 3: I don't know it at all, and I'm so cuy.

727
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 3: I don't know it all at all.

728
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 4: They're in Bill's truck okay, and.

729
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: They're driving for a while, and then Bill's like, oh, hey,

730
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: I can't do it.

731
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 4: I want to do it so bad and I can't

732
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 4: do it. By tomorrow night, we'll have learned.

733
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

734
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 4: I had to watch more TV.

735
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: I tried to make a joke about how people here

736
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: say the word snicks instead of snacks, and I tweeted

737
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: it and then all these people are like, that's a

738
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: Kiwi accent, and I was like, well, here's an American accent.

739
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 5: Go suck yourself. Seriously, I can't take that.

740
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 4: It sounds like snicks to me.

741
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 2: Also, it's just fun if someone goes, would you like

742
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 2: any snicks?

743
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 4: Yes, I would like one thousand snicks.

744
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 3: I mean I'd want them even if they were snacks. Yeah,

745
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 3: but now I want them.

746
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 4: For I want them more because they're snicks. Okay, snick snack.

747
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 4: Let's focus.

748
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, guys, there's so many pigages left.

749
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 4: Okay, here's the thing. They're sitting in the truck.

750
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: He's like, we're about to there's gonna be no more

751
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 2: radio signal, so I'm gonna pull over here and I'm

752
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 2: gonna go in the back and get some.

753
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 4: Tapes because it's the late eighties early.

754
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 2: Nineties, and and Paul Onions is like, that's cool, man,

755
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: because he's so chill, chill, And so he goes to

756
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: open his door to stretch his legs and Bill suddenly

757
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 2: gets real rude and it's like stay where you are,

758
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 2: put your seatbelt on. And Paul Onions is like, hey man,

759
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 2: I just wanted to stretch my legs.

760
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 5: He's like stay there. So then he shuts the door

761
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 5: and he's sitting there and.

762
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 4: He looks down.

763
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: There's a whole bunch of tapes right there in the

764
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: in the console between, and he's like, uh oh.

765
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 4: This isn't good.

766
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 3: Maybe he just wanted a thousand maniacs in the whatever

767
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 3: ten thousand, thank you. Well back then they were only

768
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: a thousand.

769
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 4: That's when you like them. They were only a thousand.

770
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 3: Oh no, that's scary, okay.

771
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 4: Yes, So he's like that just when I was watching.

772
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 2: Whatever, one of those backwards fucked up shows where I

773
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: was watching that idea that you'd be sitting and I

774
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: be like, okay, like that thing or the first thing

775
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 2: a person does that's weird. But you're like, oh, okay,

776
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: I guess I'm still going to sit here because I

777
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: don't want I don't want to be rude to the

778
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: super weirdo who's yelling at me out of the blue.

779
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 3: We're doing a super normal thing.

780
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 4: We're opening a car door. A car door is a

781
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 4: bad sign.

782
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 2: And then it's like, all right, well Bill's Bill's pretty cool.

783
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: Just like the stomach drop right is all that's happening.

784
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 5: The driver's side door flies open.

785
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 4: Bill comes in and goes, you.

786
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 5: Know what this is?

787
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 4: And he's holding your gun just to your two fingers. No,

788
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 4: it's a yeah, it's a pretend gun. It was a

789
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 4: real gun.

790
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 2: He's holding a real gun on my blessed and beloved

791
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: Paul onions.

792
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 3: What a stupid thing to say, too, Do you know

793
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:29,479
Speaker 3: what this is? Like just say I have a gun? Like, yes,

794
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 3: I know what a thing was, Just like no.

795
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't recognize that I have a strange brain

796
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: or I'm a pacifist.

797
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 3: I don't recognize your weapons.

798
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 5: Those don't exist to me.

799
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't see weapons.

800
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he fixes his beautiful long hair, kind

801
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: of blonde hair, onion hair. He's turning into an asshole. Okay,

802
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: but the ironic part is Paul Onions does not have

803
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: body odor, and.

804
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 5: That's why I love him the most.

805
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 3: God, he got teased so much for the you know, okay, No,

806
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 3: he smells.

807
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 5: Like delicious flowers.

808
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 4: Do we have a picture of Onions, Paul Onions?

809
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: No, there's only I only had a picture of the reenactor.

810
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 2: Oh and that's not the mass beautiful, it's too beautiful

811
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: to have his picture taken.

812
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 4: So right, Bill's like, do you know what this is?

813
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: Paul's like, I sure fucking do know what that is

814
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: and jumps out.

815
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 4: Of the truck.

816
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: Bill Bill starts shooting at him as he runs up

817
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: the highway away from the trucks, and luckily, uh a

818
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: driver pulls over and lets beautiful Paul Onions into his

819
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: car and drives away.

820
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 4: God, thank God, thank God.

821
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 5: So this hole was a phone call on the hotline.

822
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 4: It took him two hours to tell that story. I

823
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 4: forgot that part, So.

824
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 5: That's statement is taken.

825
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: He hangs up and doesn't hair back because when they

826
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 2: set this hot line up. What they didn't realize is

827
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: that in the first twenty four hours of this hotline,

828
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: they got one thousand pieces of evidence. People were calling

829
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: in all over the place with all kinds of stories,

830
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 2: and the police were completely inundated and were not prepared

831
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 2: to process that much information. So meanwhile, while they're trying

832
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 2: to set up hotlines and you know, get the word

833
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: out and do all of that, they're still searching the

834
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: Bilangolo National Forest.

835
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 3: You're mad at them, I'm we're.

836
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 4: In a fight.

837
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: It'll be fine by the time this is over. But

838
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 2: this is the drama of the story, Okay. So as

839
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 2: they are searching, they find the remains of German students

840
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 2: Anya Hopschneid and Goboya Nookebauer.

841
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 5: They had they had left for a winter holiday.

842
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: They'd gone to Bali in nineteen ninety one and they

843
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: had decided that, like in around December, she had finished

844
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 2: up her school, got she was on winter break.

845
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 4: They decided to go to Bali.

846
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: And then when they were done with their time in Bali,

847
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: they were like, let's hop on over to Australia.

848
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 4: And go to Bondi Beach. So they spent Christmas on Bondi.

849
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 3: It's Bondi. Now, okay, what is it? Bandy Bondi, Bondi.

850
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 4: It's snicks? Can we snacks beach?

851
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 2: Okay, Snake's beach, got the world famous snick snack beach.

852
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: They're due home in January of nineteen ninety two. They

853
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 2: never make it home. So when they process the bodies,

854
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: they find that Gaboya had been shot in the head

855
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 2: six times. Anya had been decapitated and her head was

856
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: not found. But the police did find four, already seven

857
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: cartridge cases at the scene, and they were able to

858
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 2: match those cartridge cases to the ones found near Carolyn

859
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: Clark's body. So now seven bodies have been found in

860
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 2: the Bolangolo National Forest. So they the police get a

861
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 2: forensic psychiatrist to make a profile of this killer. Love

862
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: this right and based on the location, based on the violence,

863
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: based on the weapons, based on everything. He basically says,

864
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: this killer would have grown up or worked in the

865
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: area of this forest. He would have had past criminal behavior,

866
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 2: He would have shot guns with his family. He would

867
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 2: have a big family that would have insulated him and

868
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: separated him from the rest of society. And he would

869
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 2: have had major control issues and been a real macho

870
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 2: type and as they're talking about all of that, the

871
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: police are like, we know a guy like that, and

872
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 2: we know family like that. Oh fuck it's Ivan Milt. Wow.

873
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 3: They like are They were just like, oh we know

874
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 3: this dude.

875
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 5: Yeah.

876
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 2: So they had been a kind of a kind of

877
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: a family that was well known in the area.

878
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 4: Maybe we say it like that.

879
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 7: They were.

880
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 4: They had made a name for themselves.

881
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 5: Where they lived.

882
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: So i'van Malat was a road worker. He spent most

883
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: of the sixties in jail. He loved guns, He had

884
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: a four wheel drive truck. He had thirteen brothers and sisters.

885
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 4: Holy shit, uh huh.

886
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 2: When they interviewed his neighbors, they said that he was friendly, outgoing.

887
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: He was always washing his truck or tending to his garden, and.

888
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 3: Like, has this some guy in the audience or some

889
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 3: chicks like I do the same thing, and I'm not

890
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 3: a murderer.

891
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 4: I heard somebody just go murderer. Immediately they're fucking murderer,

892
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 4: loves to garden.

893
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 2: We know your type. So all of his neighbors are like,

894
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 2: we really like him, he's friendly. But that they go

895
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 2: to interview his ex wife and she's like, uh yeah, yeah,

896
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: you want to talk about.

897
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 4: Ivan Malat well, uh, it was.

898
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: He was married to a woman named Karen Duck, who

899
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 2: he married when she was a teenager.

900
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 4: Karen Duck.

901
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 5: Uh.

902
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: She described Ivan Malatt as a brutal, controlling husband who

903
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: was gun crazy ebum that you.

904
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 4: Laughed at her now, yeah.

905
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 2: She says that he often took her to a pine plantation,

906
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: to the Blangalow National Forest, and to the Jenolan Caves,

907
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: which are I guess a tourist attraction. Thank you so much,

908
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 2: mom My mom is here?

909
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 4: Everybody what? That sounded like an American accent?

910
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 5: Typical?

911
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 2: So they start then with all of these things kind

912
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 2: of lining up. They start looking into Ivan's early police

913
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: record and they find that he was convicted of an

914
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 2: eerily similar case in nineteen seventy one. In April Good

915
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 2: Friday in nineteen seventy one, he picked up two hitchhikers

916
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 2: near a Liverpool train station. He pulled a knife on them,

917
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: bound them, gagged them, told them if they screamed, he

918
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 2: would kill them. He took them into the forest and

919
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: raped them both and put them back into the car

920
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 2: and one of them convinces him to pull over so

921
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 2: they can get a drink At.

922
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 4: A gas station and he lets them and.

923
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 5: She gets out of the car. They both get out

924
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 5: of the car.

925
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: And go into the gas station and get in there

926
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 2: like you fucking guys, help us, and everybody gets them

927
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: and then they go after they go after him.

928
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 4: He got away, but eventually he was arrested.

929
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: He was facing don't clap yet, he was facing two

930
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 2: counts of rape and robbery.

931
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 4: And what he.

932
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 5: Does was he faked his own death.

933
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 4: What spy.

934
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 5: Yes, he left his.

935
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: Shoes at a renowned Sydney suicide spot called The Gap,

936
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 2: which I used to work at The Gap.

937
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 3: You worked at a suicide spot.

938
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 4: It's not that bad.

939
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 3: Oh sorry I stepped on here.

940
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 4: No, No, it's okay. I think it worked. I think

941
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 4: you built it.

942
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 2: So anyway, he escapes to the place we all hate

943
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: so much, New Zealand. But he returned in nineteen seventy

944
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 2: four because his mother had a heart attack and she

945
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 2: was hospitalized, and so they re arrest him. Then they

946
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 2: had arrested him the first time, but then he of

947
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 2: course faked his own death at the Gap. He bought

948
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 2: a sweater, faked his death.

949
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, left him left his shoes in the changing room.

950
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, oh shit, they were just like, oh no,

951
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: I guess he's gone forever. Go back to folding these sweaters.

952
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 2: Have I ever told you my sweater folding story?

953
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 3: I don't think so.

954
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 2: This one is a little bit classic, and it's worth

955
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: me stopping this horrible tale. I used to work at

956
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 2: the Gap for real in San Francisco. It was my

957
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 2: first real job, and it was also when I was

958
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 2: really also working very hard at being a just a

959
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 2: dedicated alcoholic. And so the day after Halloween where my

960
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: friend and I went dressed up as two people who

961
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: worked at the land Combe counter, what, yes, exactly.

962
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 4: We just went out on our black clothes and my

963
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 4: friend got to land Combe name.

964
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: Tags for us. It was pretty rad, and then we

965
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 2: just got beyond shit phase.

966
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 5: The next day was a fold down day.

967
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: If you've ever worked retail or worked at the Gap,

968
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: you know the full downs. You have to go into

969
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 2: work like four hours early and literally refold the entire store.

970
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 2: Every single item in store is refolded with a board

971
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: so it all looks perfect.

972
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 3: Just to break your soul, just because they're like.

973
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 2: Hey, you're paying you six dollars an hour, why don't

974
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 2: you earn it? Oh?

975
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 5: God?

976
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we went in.

977
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 7: We woke up.

978
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 5: We were supposed to be there at seven in the morning.

979
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: We woke up at eight fifteen to the call of

980
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: our manager being like, you fucking assholes, get down here.

981
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 5: But luckily we lived one block.

982
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 4: Away, and so we, like in our land, come outfits

983
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 4: the gap. We go in, we start folding.

984
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 2: I have the back wall, and I'll never forget because

985
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: every time I see these sweaters, like g at a

986
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 2: thrift store, I'm like, here it is.

987
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 4: It's one of these sweaters. Gap. It's a Gap sweater

988
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 4: from nineteen ninety one.

989
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 2: I'm folding down this wall of sweaters and so hungover,

990
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 2: like it's just still a little drunk.

991
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 3: It's just funny because she doesn't drink anymore.

992
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 2: That's right, So you can just I've never killed anyone

993
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 2: with a car or gone to jail, so let's celebrate

994
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 2: my alcoholism. I fold down a line of this whole

995
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: wall of sweaters.

996
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 4: I get to the.

997
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: Bottom of the first row, and then I just lay

998
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 2: down and fall asleep on the garden.

999
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1000
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 2: And there my manager, Colleen came up and she's like,

1001
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 2: go home. Oh like Colleen, Colleen, she ate it and

1002
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 2: abedded my alcoholism all right.

1003
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 4: Where are we?

1004
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: He never He's re arrested, but he he is acquitted

1005
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 2: of both the rape and robbery charges because there was

1006
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 2: not enough evidence.

1007
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 4: Sorry, So I know.

1008
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 5: How about this evidence?

1009
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 3: Evidence? Evidence one and evidence too.

1010
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 2: So the police go to speak to the rest of

1011
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 2: them Lot family, and they interview his brother Alex and

1012
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 2: his brother Alex's wife, and they talked to them for

1013
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 2: over an hour.

1014
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 4: It's just they're not getting much.

1015
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 2: The police get up to leave, and Alex's wife goes, oh,

1016
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 2: hold on, and she goes and gets a backpack and

1017
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 2: hands it to them and goes, he gave us this

1018
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 2: as a gift.

1019
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 5: Oh, could you have.

1020
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 3: Lead with that?

1021
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 4: Honey? I guess there are some issues.

1022
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 5: She was having some problems.

1023
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 2: The police take it and find out that the backpack

1024
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 2: that she gave them, that Ivan gave to them belonged

1025
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 2: to Simoon schmidtl the German backpacker. So then simultaneously, or

1026
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: at least that's how it seemed on these shows that

1027
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 2: I was watching, they go through they're going through all

1028
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: the statements that they had gotten in the first, you know,

1029
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: month of the hotline, and they find beautiful Paul Onion

1030
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 2: statements from all the way up in Birmingham, and so

1031
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: they call him back and they final they find out

1032
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 2: that his story is real. They actually have the Birmingham

1033
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 2: police interview him to make sure that he's not some nutcase.

1034
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 2: They end up flying him down to Australia and Paul

1035
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 2: Onions identifies Ivan in a lineup and so the police

1036
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 2: can now arrest Ivan Malat for the attack of Paul Onions.

1037
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 2: So on May twenty second, nineteen ninety four to six am,

1038
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 2: the police surrounded BLAT's home. It's really funny in the reenactment.

1039
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 2: They called him on the phone and were like, hey,

1040
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 2: can you come outside for a second. Then he did,

1041
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 2: and then he was down on the on his perfectly

1042
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 2: manicured lawn.

1043
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 3: Wow.

1044
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 5: Face a face first, if that's right.

1045
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 4: He likes things just so.

1046
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 2: When the police enter his home, they immediately start finding

1047
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 2: trophies from all of these murders. There's there's all this

1048
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 2: camping equipment, there are there are all kinds of personal

1049
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 2: belongings just everywhere. The police are identifying them as they

1050
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 2: look around the house, and they also find rifles, ammunition,

1051
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 2: hunting knives, and a sword, and then hidden inside a

1052
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: wall in a plastic bag, they find pieces of a

1053
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: Ruger twenty two rifle, and when the ballistics expert reassembles

1054
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: those pieces test fires it, it matches the bullets used

1055
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 2: to kill Carolyn Clark. So Ivan Latt is charged with

1056
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 2: the murders of all seven victims, and on July twenty seventh,

1057
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six, following a fifteen week trial, the jury

1058
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 2: returned after three days and found him guilty on all charges.

1059
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 2: He was sentenced to six years imprisonment for the attack

1060
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 2: on the most beautiful man in the world, Paul Onions,

1061
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 2: and seven consecutive life sentences for each of the murders

1062
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:32,959
Speaker 2: of the backpackers Yay.

1063
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 4: When asked if he had any comment, he protested his innocence.

1064
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 4: He said he didn't do anything for sure, but his.

1065
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 2: Younger brother Richard, told the police that there were quote

1066
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 2: heaps more bodies out there to be found, and there

1067
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 2: are there are eleven other unsolved missing persons cases that

1068
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 2: are extremely similar to the back packer murders, going all

1069
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 2: the way back to February of.

1070
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 4: Nineteen seventy one.

1071
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: Holy show.

1072
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 2: So I'm just going to go through these real quick.

1073
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 2: Karen Rowland was driving behind her sister. They were driving

1074
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: up to a hotel in Canberra.

1075
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 4: When shut up, No.

1076
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 3: I'm kidding, what is it? She's asking her friend, who's camera?

1077
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: Camera?

1078
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 4: Canbra?

1079
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 5: Okay, really quick.

1080
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 2: Just a suggestion, how about you spell at c A

1081
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 2: Nbra who? Okay, I'm not mad at you. I'm not

1082
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 2: mad at you at all. Okay, this is so creepy.

1083
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: The two sisters take two separate cars. Why it's not

1084
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 2: as fun. They must have had work or something. It

1085
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: makes me so mad. When I read that, I was like,

1086
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 2: what they're driving? Her sister loses sight of Karen in

1087
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 2: the rear view mirror. Her car just isn't there anymore.

1088
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 2: Continues on to the hotel, and then when she gets there,

1089
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 2: Karen isn't there, and she thinks maybe she went back home.

1090
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 5: She doesn't understand what happened, so they search. They find

1091
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 5: the car with an empty.

1092
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 2: Gas tank on the side of the road. Yeah, and

1093
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 2: she ran out of gas. And then fifteen meters off

1094
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 2: of the trail in the Fairburn Pine plantation, they find

1095
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 2: her body. She was lying on her back, legs straight out,

1096
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 2: her arms and circling her head, clothing pulled down, indicating

1097
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 2: sexual assault.

1098
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 4: A beer bottle was found nearby.

1099
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 2: So in June of nineteen seventy two, Robin Hoyneville Bartram

1100
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 2: and Anita Cunningham nineteen and twenty respectively.

1101
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 5: They were student nurses, they were roommates and they were

1102
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 5: going to plant.

1103
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 2: They were going to spend the summer hitchhiking around northern Queensland.

1104
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 2: They set off from Melbourne on their way to.

1105
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 4: Bowen and it really is scary. They were never seen again.

1106
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 2: In November, Robin's body is found under a bridge in

1107
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 2: Sensible Creek. She was shot in the head with a

1108
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 2: twenty two. Anita's body was never found. A woman told

1109
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 2: police that she and her mother had chatted with those

1110
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 2: girls at a hotel that July, and the girls told

1111
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: her they'd gotten a ride with a man named Cowboy Stephen.

1112
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 2: Do you have that one picture of Ivan Malatt?

1113
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 4: Oh?

1114
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 2: No, oh no, it's actually very in fashion. Now, what

1115
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 2: do you swear?

1116
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 4: Okay?

1117
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 2: Friday, October fifth, nineteen seventy two, Gabrielle Jankie and Michelle

1118
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: Riley decided to hitchhike from Brisbane to check out a

1119
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 2: party on.

1120
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 5: The Gold Coast.

1121
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 2: A week laterier Gabrielle's body is found at the bottom

1122
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 2: of a steep embankment on the side of Pacific Highway

1123
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 2: at Ormeo. Ten days later, at six pm on October

1124
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 2: twenty third, Michelle's body is found twelve meters from the

1125
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 2: road in the bushland off of the Mount Tambourine Highway.

1126
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 2: They both had massive head injuries from fractured skulls and

1127
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 2: both of their clothes were pulled up and branches had

1128
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 2: been covering their bodies. On October thirtieth, nineteen seventy eight,

1129
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 2: twenty year old Leanne Goodall was dropped off by her

1130
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 2: brother Warren at the Musselwell Brooke train station. Warren thought

1131
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 2: she was taking the train back to Sydney, but in

1132
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 2: fact she decided to go to Swansea Swansea near Newcastle

1133
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 2: to see her parents. She got off the train in

1134
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 2: Broadmeadow in central Newcastle. Someone spotted her at three point

1135
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 2: thirty that afternoon at the Star Hotel. She was never

1136
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 2: seen alive again. Her remains were never found. Robin Hickey.

1137
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:40,479
Speaker 2: Four months after Leanne Goodall's disappearance, eighteen year old Robin

1138
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 2: Hickey leaves her family home in Swansea to meet friends

1139
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 2: at the Belmont Hotel south of Newcastle. She's never seen again.

1140
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 2: Amanda Robinson is a fourteen year old girl who vanishes

1141
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 2: on her way home to Swansea from a school dance.

1142
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 2: Ivan Malatt was named as a person of interest in

1143
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 2: all three of those disappearance cases because he was working

1144
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 2: a road crew at the time, but there were there

1145
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 2: was not enough evidence to arrest him. And then there's

1146
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 2: I mean, look at this, there's three more pages of

1147
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 2: people who had the exact it's the exact samem o.

1148
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 2: He's it's always fifteen meters off of a trail back

1149
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 2: in the bush.

1150
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 3: The same area generally.

1151
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 4: Like the same age.

1152
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 2: It's they it's girls that he meets at hotels. There's

1153
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 2: always a witness.

1154
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 3: The same like general area kind of too.

1155
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's along the Gold coast, right, they're not

1156
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 2: sure either.

1157
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 3: I mean, you guys fucking flunk that.

1158
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 2: I mean, but it's it's basically the eastern this eastern

1159
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 2: coastal side and all up because basically this this I

1160
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 2: did look up on Google Maps. It takes like seven

1161
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 2: hours and thirty seven minutes or something to drive from

1162
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: Melbourne to the Blangalow Nash Forest and so that thanks,

1163
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 2: and so that's like the that's basically the area that

1164
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 2: he was working. And he was a road worker. He

1165
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 2: also delivered tires, truck tires, so he was always he

1166
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 2: was always on the road, and he was always leaving

1167
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 2: work and coming back where and like having.

1168
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 4: People cover for him and stuff.

1169
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 2: Jesus now really quick, sorry, I mean those are just

1170
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 2: like there's there's six more people who have the exact

1171
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 2: samem o in their death. There's fifty eight total of

1172
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 2: missing people.

1173
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

1174
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 2: Who there's pieces of their murder, details or their murder

1175
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 2: that can be related to Ivan Lap. But because he

1176
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 2: will not admit to anything and never has, they can't

1177
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 2: get him on anything or prove anything. And their families,

1178
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 2: you know, have no have no satisfaction.

1179
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 4: They just don't get to know. So he's in jail,

1180
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 4: right and.

1181
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 5: He decides to cut off.

1182
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:03,439
Speaker 4: He's seventy three.

1183
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 2: Now he's still in jail. He's in a supermax. He's

1184
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 2: going to be there for the rest of his life.

1185
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 2: In two thousand and ninet, he cuts off his little

1186
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 2: finger with a plastic knife. Oh and the people in

1187
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 2: the jail decide they're not going to Reattach.

1188
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 3: I mean, he doesn't fucking need it.

1189
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 2: I interpret it I'm sure there was like a medical

1190
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 2: reason and a whole decision, but in my mind, I

1191
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:27,959
Speaker 2: was just like, They're like, no, you.

1192
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 4: Did that to yourself.

1193
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 2: He had previously injured himself by swallowing razor blades, staples

1194
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 2: and other metal objects.

1195
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 4: He went on a hunger strike because he wanted a PlayStation.

1196
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 2: Oh no, that was in twenty eleven, and now his

1197
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 2: In twenty twelve, his great nephew Matthew Molott and his

1198
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 2: friend Cohen Klein, who were nineteen when they were sentenced.

1199
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 2: They were arrested for murdering David Autreloni on his seventeenth

1200
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 2: birthday with ain acts in the Bilangalow State National Forest

1201
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 2: and he Matthew killed him and his friend taped it

1202
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 2: on the phone, recorded it on the phone.

1203
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 4: That's how they got caught.

1204
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

1205
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 2: They were sentenced. Matthew sentenced to forty three years in

1206
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 2: prison and Cone was sentenced to thirty two years in prison.

1207
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 4: And in now I'm seeing this thing too.

1208
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 2: On May fifteenth, his older brother Boris told doctor Steve

1209
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 2: Apron that Malatt was responsible for another shooting. In nineteen

1210
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 2: sixty two, he shot a cab driver in the back

1211
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 2: because he wanted to rob him and he ended up

1212
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 2: paralyzing him. And that's that's a They were just doing

1213
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 2: a special about that on TV recently, and now my

1214
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 2: friends is the story of Ivan Malatt, the backpacker Marta.

1215
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 4: That sorry, that's so long.

1216
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 3: That's what he looked like while he was cutting his

1217
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 3: pinky off.

1218
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 2: He's like, come on, I want to PlayStation. I'm only

1219
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 2: the worst fucking person in the world.

1220
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 4: My god, how do they not know that one? Yeah,

1221
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 4: it's so nuts.

1222
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 3: I mean, you just can't help. I don't want to

1223
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 3: pully shame. But they're like, why didn't.

1224
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 7: This my big.

1225
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't know.

1226
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 4: I'm not sure why to give you a look.

1227
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:28,959
Speaker 5: I didn't even give you an old I'm.

1228
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 4: Gonna pick up my glass.

1229
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 3: I was like, she's police shaving again. I'm getting out

1230
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 3: sick of it.

1231
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 4: This is a walk out.

1232
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 3: It's just the thing of like why didn't they figure, oh,

1233
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 3: put it together?

1234
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 2: But they were the bodies weren't even found. Nobody knew

1235
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 2: it was just missing and no details whatsoever.

1236
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. Plus, this is the whole thing of you know,

1237
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 3: the old school like uh like mindset of like, well,

1238
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 3: if we start saying all these backpackers are missing. The

1239
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 3: tourist trade's gonna fucking de'say, yeah exactly. So maybe it's

1240
01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 3: that these new cops came in and we're like, yeah,

1241
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 3: but we can't let people disappear.

1242
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 2: Well, I think the second they started finding bodies that

1243
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:05,439
Speaker 2: that was all over.

1244
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 4: They shut it down.

1245
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 3: Yeah hopefully, Yeah, well, no, that's what happened.

1246
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah hopefully. Yeah, it's literally what happened. I

1247
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 4: just fucking told you.

1248
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 5: I watched three specials about it. I'm an expert.

1249
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 3: That was such a in your face minute, put in

1250
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 3: your mouth. I've never seen anyone dang.

1251
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 5: The final word meant, oh.

1252
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 3: No, I can't tell you the mints in.

1253
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: Okay, we are back from a very heavy story.

1254
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 3: Do you have updates?

1255
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 1: I do.

1256
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 4: Actually.

1257
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 2: In twenty nineteen, Ivan Malott died in prison. He was

1258
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 2: seventy four, and it was five months after he was

1259
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 2: diagnosed with terminal esophageal and stomach cancer.

1260
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 3: Wow.

1261
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1262
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 2: His nephew, alistair Shipsey, maintained that Ivan Malot was framed

1263
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 2: for these murders and that his uncle's arrest happened so

1264
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,959
Speaker 2: Sydney would have a clear run to securing the two

1265
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 2: thousand Olympics.

1266
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: Can you describe my face right now?

1267
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 4: Your pensive, A lot of doubt, a.

1268
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 3: Lot of skepticism, some botox so I can't see it.

1269
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 3: So not the fullestpression exactly, But what.

1270
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 4: An amazing forehead you have. Yeah, well we will say this.

1271
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 2: He spent ten years, this nephew, researching the murders, and

1272
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 2: he published a book, Secrets of Balanglo, claiming this is

1273
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 2: the only true story of Ivan Malot. But also, as

1274
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 2: we started this episode, when we were talking about it's like,

1275
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 2: this is one of those true crime stories.

1276
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 4: That's so awful. I remember so many details of totelling

1277
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 4: this story.

1278
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, like to get past those details and think that, yeah,

1279
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 3: give me a setup, doesn't seem.

1280
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 4: Not super likely.

1281
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 2: At the same time, in twenty twenty one, a four

1282
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 2: part docuseries called Ivan Malott Backpacker Murderer was released, and

1283
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 2: that explored the idea that Melot could have had twenty

1284
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 2: additional victims.

1285
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: Wow, so I want to watch that.

1286
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, So let's get into your story now about the

1287
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 2: brown Out Strangler.

1288
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 4: Edward Joseph v Lonsky.

1289
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 3: All right, everyone, you guys have some When we went

1290
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 3: to Auckland and we were just like, well, we have

1291
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 3: two murders to choose from, so I guess I'll take

1292
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 3: this one and you take that one.

1293
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, not here, No, not the case whatsoever.

1294
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 3: Guys. There's the reason we're going to be here for

1295
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 3: three nights in a row, not because we don't want

1296
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 3: to see us because we just couldn't pick one.

1297
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 5: The government's making us tell all the murders.

1298
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, we're doing. It's a social service. You're welcome. Yeah,

1299
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 3: all right, Well this one, this is the story of

1300
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 3: the only American man ever executed on Australian soil. It's

1301
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 3: the Blackout Strangler. Oh right, right, right, right right, that's

1302
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,479
Speaker 3: the correct all right. Height of World War Two, while

1303
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 3: Melbourne was sending soldiers overseas to fight, they're like heroes

1304
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 3: and shit, and there's a brown out in order. So

1305
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 3: a brown out just means that, like there's a reduced

1306
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 3: availability of electrical power, so like in a night, street

1307
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 3: lamps and car lights they're all like lowered. So the Japanese,

1308
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 3: the Japanese fighters can't bomb a shit out of you, guys.

1309
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 3: They're like, I don't see anything. Let's get out of here.

1310
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 3: Instead of being like, look at all those beautiful lights

1311
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 3: of Melbourne, which is like a thing, you know.

1312
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're known for their lights, known for their lights.

1313
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 3: Like I'm gonna they call you guys the city of Lights.

1314
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 5: Oh I've heard of that.

1315
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay.

1316
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 3: So also a lot of employees, employers were letting young

1317
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 3: women leave in daylight so they could get home safely

1318
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 3: before dark because you know dark. But so a lot

1319
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 3: of US soldiers are stationed in Melbourn. After the Japanese

1320
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 3: attack on Pearl Harbor, it's always makeshift camps for American

1321
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 3: soldiers were popping up.

1322
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: And excuse me, I forgot my tissue.

1323
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have told you guys that. I realize that now,

1324
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 3: thank you. I don't love to do it that.

1325
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 8: Wipe with that bottle cap, scrape my nose across the

1326
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 8: just dip it in and release, okay.

1327
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 3: In their house in military establishments called Camppell. Today it's

1328
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 3: known as Royal Park. May third, nineteen forty two. Get

1329
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 3: one's like rail Park Royal Park. Oh sorry, I just

1330
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 3: audienced you.

1331
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 5: Essentially, Royal.

1332
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 4: May third, nineteen forty.

1333
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 3: Two, forty year old Ivy VIOLEC McLoud was waiting for

1334
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 3: her tram. Can you see I get and pasted this

1335
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 3: from Australian articles. Waiting for her tram in on Victoria

1336
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 3: Avenue and Albert Parker on two am. When she's attacked.

1337
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 3: You wooed it and she's attacked. I gotta do it

1338
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 3: right away if we're going to do it, okay. Her

1339
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,759
Speaker 3: body was found by a hotel cleaner who was hosing

1340
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:23,759
Speaker 3: down the footpath outside a hotel. He saw an American

1341
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 3: soldier get up from a stooping position in a nearby

1342
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 3: shop doorway. He was going to run after him, but

1343
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 3: decided to try to help the woman, but it was

1344
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 3: too late. Ivy was dead. She was partially naked, badly

1345
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 3: beaten and strangled. Her purse was still in the area,

1346
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 3: so it was obvious that robbery wasn't the motive, and

1347
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 3: witnesses said that they had seen her in the company

1348
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 3: of a US soldier late the previous night. We have

1349
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 3: a photo of her, and well that's up. I'm going

1350
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 3: to subtly white my nose on my dress.

1351
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 5: Oh nice, Oh my god, you're an angel.

1352
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 4: There's tissues happening. Oh I know she has a knife.

1353
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 5: What if she didn't give these to me?

1354
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 3: What if she just took the tissues and.

1355
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 4: She's just like, you should buy some of these, Thank

1356
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 4: you so much.

1357
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 3: This has happened before.

1358
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 4: Security.

1359
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 2: Ok, that's every shirt that was a dangerfields today it's so.

1360
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 4: Truesting I think of But I'm just like Karen for real.

1361
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 3: So that's Ivy McLeod. So she is killed. Sorry, sorry, honey,

1362
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 3: she looks like my grandma. A week later, let me

1363
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 3: bum you guys out more. A week later, thirty one

1364
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:42,600
Speaker 3: year old Pauline Thompson. She's a stenographer. She's married to

1365
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 3: a policeman. She's a mother of two. She strikes up

1366
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 3: a conversation with American soldier at a restaurant. They go

1367
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,759
Speaker 3: to a bar after dinner to talk, and they spend

1368
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 3: several hours talking and drinking. The next morning, she's found

1369
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 3: lying on the steps of her Spring Street home. Her

1370
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 3: clothes are in tatters. And okay, so let's there's a

1371
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 3: photo of her. This is Pauline Thompson. Okay, ready for

1372
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 3: this creepy thing and a Victorian. First, police created a photograph.

1373
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 3: Police created a mannequin dressed in her clothes and put

1374
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 3: a photograph over her face, hoping that a witness would

1375
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 3: come forward. Stephen put that nightmare up.

1376
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 5: What that's that's what that is?

1377
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:26,719
Speaker 3: Ye look at our hands. It's mannequin hands.

1378
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 4: Holy fuck?

1379
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean that's what we're in it for, right,

1380
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 2: that's like yeah, crazy awful Yeah yeah, creepy, creepy hands.

1381
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 3: Look at the hands?

1382
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 1: Did it?

1383
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 5: Did I ever tell you the story?

1384
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 2: But when I was little and I was at the

1385
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,679
Speaker 2: store with my dad and he's like, just don't touch anything, yeah, right,

1386
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 2: which I could never do.

1387
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 5: I was like five, No, you're a child, oh child.

1388
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 2: And he would always take me to like hardware stores,

1389
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:58,679
Speaker 2: the stuff that didn't have candy or toys or anything good.

1390
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 4: And I remember you you went to get something and

1391
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 4: I just walked up.

1392
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 2: There was a mannequin wearing like a like a mechanic's jumper,

1393
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 2: and I was just I just went like mis like

1394
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 2: my finger et style touched a mannequin's hand and the

1395
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 2: whole arm came off in my hand and then I

1396
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 2: was just alone holding a mannequin arm, like shit, do

1397
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,719
Speaker 2: I shove it back up? And my dad came around

1398
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 2: the corner.

1399
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 5: He's like, Jesus.

1400
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 3: Crist care him. You shouldn't be allowed in retail shops anymore.

1401
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 3: You're real proudy and then you then you lay it

1402
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 3: on the floor and fell asleep.

1403
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 4: That's right. I was so drunk, the drunkest five year

1404
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 4: old ever.

1405
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 3: Okay, so they did that horribleness, Yes, but I don't

1406
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 3: want to turn back around for a mannequin. Good night, everyone,

1407
01:11:58,320 --> 01:11:59,719
Speaker 3: have sweet dreams tonight.

1408
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:01,720
Speaker 4: Wait did it work though? No?

1409
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 3: Oh, but you know, people were like, well, we saw

1410
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 3: her with an American soldier of the night before. So

1411
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 3: but I don't know if any of it came directly

1412
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 3: from that. It just gave a lot of people nightmares.

1413
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 3: So shortly after this, twenty an American soldier admits to

1414
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 3: another soldier that he had killed two women. This dude's

1415
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 3: name is Edward Joseph Lanowski. Yeah, and he's twenty four

1416
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 3: years old. He's a former New York grocery store clerk.

1417
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 3: He had broad shoulders and strong hands, and they had said,

1418
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 3: by the looks of the way the guy had strangled

1419
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 3: women that he had large hands. That was like one

1420
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 3: of the things they said about him.

1421
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:40,639
Speaker 4: He was well liked.

1422
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:43,799
Speaker 3: By most who knew him, although other American soldiers reported

1423
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 3: that he liked to drink heavily and that when he

1424
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 3: did he became particularly aggressive, especially towards women. A file

1425
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 3: described him as the Soldier from Hell, and he earned

1426
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 3: that notation after he attempted to strangle a young woman

1427
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 3: in San Antonio, Texas. He was caught charge with AsSalt,

1428
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 3: but never prosecuted. Instead, the US Army was like, send

1429
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 3: him to Melbourne. Sorry, guys, sorry about that.

1430
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 4: Um.

1431
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 3: So he arrived on February second, nineteen forty two, and

1432
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 3: that first murder happened on May third of that year.

1433
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: Wow.

1434
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so mmmmm okay, so that he told us his

1435
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 3: bro that I killed two women. His bro was like,

1436
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:31,599
Speaker 3: turn yourself in, say you claim insanity. Edward's like nope,

1437
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 3: and the Soldier's like okay, and like didn't tournament. So again,

1438
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 3: apologies Melbourne.

1439
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 5: M It's like, well, I gave you the one.

1440
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 4: Suggestion I have.

1441
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I got for it. I don't know what

1442
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 3: else could be done.

1443
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 4: I guess I'll see you in the mess tent.

1444
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 3: Yeah all right. So the final victim, Oh, let me

1445
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 3: show you a photo of this dude Edward.

1446
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 4: Hey, I got to murder you. That's him.

1447
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, they said that. So he was a total alcoholic

1448
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 3: and a lot of people like he was super fun

1449
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 3: and a lot of people like he attacked women, but

1450
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 3: the ones who said he was super fun. One of

1451
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 3: the things they said he would do is like get

1452
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 3: super drunk and then get up on the bar and

1453
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 3: walk across the bar in his hands, like a few

1454
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 3: were here months a while, but on your hands.

1455
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 4: Look at that crazy son of a bit.

1456
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:23,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, his forehead.

1457
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 3: Is so low, it's tiny.

1458
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 5: It's too small someone with a three heads.

1459
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 4: I would like to say his is a one and

1460
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 4: a half head.

1461
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 3: That's true.

1462
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 5: It barely is there? Or is it just that dumb hair?

1463
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 4: It could It looks like both.

1464
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to go both.

1465
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 4: My mom.

1466
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 3: His final victim, forty year old Gladys Hosking, on May eighteenth,

1467
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 3: while walking home from work in the chemistry lab at

1468
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 3: the University of Melbourne, which is like, what a badass.

1469
01:14:55,720 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 3: She is caught in the rain. An American soldier to

1470
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 3: shelter her under an umbrella he was carrying. It's our

1471
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:08,639
Speaker 3: old friend Edward. Yeah. He attacks her, he strangles her

1472
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 3: and she's found inside the Royal Park boundary, not far

1473
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 3: from Campell, just three hundred and fifty meters from her

1474
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 3: boarding house. In just over two weeks from May third

1475
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 3: to May eighteenth, nineteen forty two. Three women had been killed.

1476
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,640
Speaker 3: So the murderer becomes known as the brown out strangler

1477
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 3: because it's during a brownout and he strangles people. I

1478
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 3: didn't need to explain that part.

1479
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 2: Staven cut that out because it was actually a symbolic

1480
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 2: of something else.

1481
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:39,639
Speaker 4: But no, you wouldn't understand.

1482
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 3: They called the US soldiers brownouts. That's what they called

1483
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:44,679
Speaker 3: because they were total bombers.

1484
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was fucking brown out that guy.

1485
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 3: Oh oh, I just licked the microphone on excellent.

1486
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,680
Speaker 4: Does anyone have any hydrochloric acid.

1487
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 3: Or somebody drink it? An Australian soldier, Oh god, that

1488
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 3: was discussing. An Australian soldier told police. So okay, so

1489
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:17,639
Speaker 3: Gladys gets killed. Australian soldier tells police he'saw a US

1490
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 3: officer slipping under the Royal Park fence on the night

1491
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:24,639
Speaker 3: of the murder. He shines it. He shines a torch.

1492
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 3: That's not what we call flash light. So clearly I

1493
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 3: copied and pasted that in in the guy's face. It

1494
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 3: was all mightighty. He asked him why he's covered had

1495
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 3: to foot in yellow mud. He's covered head to foot

1496
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 3: in yellow mud, which is like, was that, No, it's

1497
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 3: mud and it's just yellow. I don't know, because it's

1498
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 3: war time.

1499
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, because there's a brown album, so there's

1500
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 2: not enough brown to go into the mud.

1501
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 4: The hell.

1502
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 3: That's got to be it, andy, I don't know. I

1503
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 3: didn't look that part up.

1504
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 4: Okay.

1505
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:10,759
Speaker 3: I didn't even look out what meters means. So clearly

1506
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 3: I was shopping all day. Uh okay. So the dude

1507
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 3: says to him, I fell over in a pool of

1508
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 3: mud going across the park. That's like his excuse. It's like, okay,

1509
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,759
Speaker 3: go ahead. They were good with it, right. The description

1510
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:27,640
Speaker 3: of this soldier, though, matches the individual Pauline Thompson was

1511
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 3: seen with the night of her murder, as well as

1512
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 3: a description given by several women who had also survived

1513
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 3: recent attacks. So I guess he'd been fucking attacking women

1514
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:36,719
Speaker 3: all over town.

1515
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 4: People had been surviving.

1516
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, so after days at camp hell, they're going from

1517
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 3: fucking soldier to soldier being like, are you a murder?

1518
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 3: Are you a murderer? Like interviewing people. I guess, I

1519
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 3: don't know. I didn't make that up. They could actually

1520
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 3: they did it.

1521
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 5: No, I bet that's how they did.

1522
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 3: It could have been police invested. Get I think we

1523
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 3: have a photo of Gladys actually did I already? Yeah

1524
01:17:58,520 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 3: there she is.

1525
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:02,599
Speaker 1: Oh right, look at that outfit.

1526
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:08,719
Speaker 3: That's not why aw but okay, okay, so they're fucking

1527
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:09,679
Speaker 3: soldier to soldiers.

1528
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:10,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, y yeah, yeah you.

1529
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:14,679
Speaker 3: Police investors get to Edward Lenowski's tent, and the yellow

1530
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 3: clay matching the crime scene is found on his tent,

1531
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 3: his shoes, and his bed. So he's just flailing himself

1532
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 3: all over the fucking place, spairly.

1533
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 4: So yellow.

1534
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 3: I hate yellow this Okay then okay. So he's arrested,

1535
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 3: charged with the murders. Behind bars, he confesses to fucking everything.

1536
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 3: He tells investigators that he is a doctor Jekyll and

1537
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 3: mister Hyde, and his motives for the killings was a

1538
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 3: fascination with female voices, especially when they were singing. What

1539
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 3: yeah creepy.

1540
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 2: So all those women had been singing well, uh, he says.

1541
01:18:57,680 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 3: He claims that he killed women to get at their voice.

1542
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 2: Quote Oh no, I know, kind of like a little

1543
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 2: mermaid thing.

1544
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:05,679
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1545
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:07,759
Speaker 4: He was a fucking original seewitch.

1546
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 2: He just.

1547
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 3: Sea witch.

1548
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wanted to he wanted to ay that guy's

1549
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 2: fucking stupid.

1550
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 3: Yeah crazy too, Yeah yeah, so he said about his

1551
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 3: second victim, Pauline Thompson, he said, she was singing in

1552
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 3: my ear. It sounded as if she was singing for me.

1553
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,840
Speaker 3: She had a nice voice. I grabbed her. I don't

1554
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 3: know why she stopped singing.

1555
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 4: Well, because you grabbed her, fucking idiot.

1556
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 3: Then the investigator was like, goodbye, I'm gonna go to

1557
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 3: what's that I'm gonna go to the gap, see you

1558
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 3: guys later.

1559
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 4: Can you imagine hearing that singing someone saying that too?

1560
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 3: Okay? According to a psychologist who interviewed Edward during his trial,

1561
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 3: he grew up in an abusive, alcoholic family and one

1562
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 3: his brothers had been committed to a mental institution for life.

1563
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 3: His mother had been overprotective and controlling. And I bet

1564
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 3: she fucking sang a lot.

1565
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 4: I bet you know what I mean.

1566
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 3: I didn't say that, but it's like, well, clearly, yeah,

1567
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,799
Speaker 3: that's that's my what's this profile of this murderer?

1568
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:16,559
Speaker 5: I profiled it.

1569
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 3: His mom sang a lot, but she was like.

1570
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:23,600
Speaker 5: Just the most horrible.

1571
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 4: Sound of all time.

1572
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 3: So essentially I could show you right now what that

1573
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 3: sounded like by just singing.

1574
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 2: She put him into bed, and she'd be like, all right, night, sweet.

1575
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:45,560
Speaker 3: Tree, And here in the corner is a mannequin with

1576
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 3: my face tapped on it.

1577
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 4: Night night, Edward, Night night, Edward.

1578
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go be an alcoholic, which is also what

1579
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 3: she was, and.

1580
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 4: She was overprotected, controlling. I do it as you're shutting

1581
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 4: your child's bedroom door. Good night.

1582
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go be an alcoholic.

1583
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 2: You stay in here, okay, and stare at my mannequin face.

1584
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 3: WHOA, that's a hard childhead right there. She had also

1585
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 3: been in a mental institution, but she also favored Edward

1586
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 3: more than his other fucking crazy brothers, so he got

1587
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 3: bullied by neighborhood kids and called a mama's boy. According

1588
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:29,679
Speaker 3: to the psychologist, he said, and you know, fifties, forties

1589
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,640
Speaker 3: and fifties psychologists were like, well and they were like

1590
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 3: that doesn't make sense. Edip is complex, no symbolic matrio aside.

1591
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 3: And I was like that sounds familiar. Our friend ed Geen,

1592
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I like kill people because they're like, it's

1593
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 3: my mom and you're like, it's actually a woman. You

1594
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 3: don't fucking know.

1595
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:49,599
Speaker 2: They just want to kill their MoMA over and over

1596
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:50,839
Speaker 2: exactly exactly.

1597
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 3: So because of the resentment and hatred of his mother.

1598
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 4: Singing bad singing is really irritating.

1599
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 3: This is why I don't smell. I do sing some time,

1600
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 3: and it's yeah okay. During the trial, evidence was presented

1601
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:10,600
Speaker 3: that indicated that Edward had possible duill personalities. I just

1602
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 3: love the word duel, du well, dual personalities. The court

1603
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 3: heard that. So when the Nanasky got drunk, his voice changes.

1604
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 3: He talks more like a girl, says stuff about This

1605
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 3: is a quote. I wouldn't. He talks stuff about poultrgeist, werewolves, demons,

1606
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 3: creepy stuff.

1607
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:29,799
Speaker 4: Talks himself closed stuff.

1608
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:33,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, he talks about the kind of stuff they have

1609
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:34,799
Speaker 3: on the clothes at.

1610
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 4: The what's the stranger field?

1611
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 3: That's danger field. God, that would have been good if

1612
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 3: I could have remembered that. Talks himself a lot other

1613
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 3: times it was like he was talking to someone else.

1614
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 3: Maybe he was talking to someone else.

1615
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 5: He could have been talking to someone.

1616
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 3: Although Edward Lamaski's crimes were committed on Australian soil, the

1617
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 3: trial was conducted under American military law.

1618
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's Mark Harmon's style.

1619
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, and see I as baby.

1620
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I said yeah, I don't know that was I've

1621
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 3: never watched that they have. I want true crime. He

1622
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 3: confesses to the crimes, convicted and sentenced to death at

1623
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 3: a United States Army General Court martial in July of

1624
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 3: nineteen forty two. But it's here in Australia. He's executed

1625
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 3: at Pentridge Prison.

1626
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:22,639
Speaker 4: Oh you guys, you guys stay there sometimes?

1627
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 5: You love it?

1628
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:32,800
Speaker 4: Is it the best present? Yeah? Oh, live in a prison, you.

1629
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 2: Know, normally hackling makes me really mad, but it's my

1630
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 2: favorite thing. Anyone's ever year there.

1631
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 3: And you can get breakfast there, get this, She'll have

1632
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 3: them musically. I'll have the beans on toast with a Friday.

1633
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 4: Georgia loves a nice breakfast bean. Oh, you guys have

1634
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 4: really bought her over to the baked bean breakfast thing

1635
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 4: inside so much for that.

1636
01:23:59,400 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 5: What's called?

1637
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 4: Don't answer?

1638
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 1: Now?

1639
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 4: It's on every menu, the breakfast.

1640
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 5: But it's like kanji with and I'm like, what could

1641
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 5: this be? And then it's like with shrimp grass grass.

1642
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 2: I don't know, just random stuff where I'm like, I

1643
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 2: can't put together what this breakfast item might be.

1644
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 4: It's not French toast.

1645
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 3: I know that if it ain't a muse lyate, she

1646
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 3: don't want to something. That's it? Okay, the precise details

1647
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:27,599
Speaker 3: of his execution worse?

1648
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 4: Wait, sorry, we had to eat burgs at that prison.

1649
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:38,439
Speaker 3: You guys made us there tomorrow, Yeah, we'll be there

1650
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 3: they share time is over?

1651
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 4: YEA poor girl? Is she crying?

1652
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 3: The one I just yelled at? I'm sorry, I can't

1653
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 3: do it. I can't do it.

1654
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 2: It was a real mind fuck because we supported yours

1655
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 2: and we attacked you for you.

1656
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 3: Sorry, I know, I feel so bad.

1657
01:24:57,400 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 4: No, never looked back.

1658
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:04,919
Speaker 3: He so for some reason, the details are a secret

1659
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 3: of how he got killed. But the hangman had a

1660
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 3: fucking journal, which is like, give me that to read tonight,

1661
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 3: please immediately. Yes, And it says that he was hanged, right, Sorry, why.

1662
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 4: The hangman's journal?

1663
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 2: If they published it like a book, do you think

1664
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 2: the inside flap of the picture of the author you'd

1665
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 2: have isa?

1666
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? What you know?

1667
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 2: The hangman has to wear that hag on his face.

1668
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 4: We just don't know who he is.

1669
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 3: Guess what what?

1670
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 5: What's this?

1671
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:35,719
Speaker 3: It's the hangman's journal?

1672
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 4: Are you kidding? Put your glasses on?

1673
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 5: Hold on, everybody.

1674
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 3: I wasn't being an asshole I didn't mean it like that.

1675
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 5: No, No, she can't see anything.

1676
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 3: You can't see ship when's and I wea at the

1677
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 3: airport and like you came and I was like, I

1678
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 3: was like, oh wait, she can't see anything. I knew

1679
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:56,640
Speaker 3: that you had to wait here before you could see me.

1680
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 2: It's really funny because oftentimes I'll be walking toward people

1681
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 2: and I'll watch I.

1682
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 5: Know that thing is like a big wave.

1683
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 2: I'll see a movement like this, and then I'll see

1684
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:08,799
Speaker 2: the mouth get smaller and smaller where it looks like I'm.

1685
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 4: Just icing someone as where it's like they're like.

1686
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 2: Hey, Karen, I'm just like walking and then she goes,

1687
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 2: oh yeah.

1688
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 4: Then I'm miss closed.

1689
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:18,479
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, hi, how are you?

1690
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 3: And they're already sad.

1691
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:21,480
Speaker 4: Sorry.

1692
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 2: This is like the hangman's journal is like it's fucking

1693
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 2: scrap book that looks like a picture of a pelvis it.

1694
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:29,760
Speaker 3: Does you can go read that somewhere around this town?

1695
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 4: Okay?

1696
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably at this prison. We're having brunch out to me,

1697
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 3: let's turn into brunch and I'll have a mama so.

1698
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 7: So.

1699
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 4: But he gave all the details of all the hangings.

1700
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 3: I think it was like a diary. So okay, so

1701
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 3: they think that he was hanged, but legend I just burke.

1702
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 1: Sorry.

1703
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 3: Legend also has it that the locals were permitted to

1704
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 3: provide the rope in gallows. Isn't that cool?

1705
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 5: What?

1706
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:58,920
Speaker 3: Like, the people were so fucking pissed off about this

1707
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 3: guy murdering their people that they were like, here's the

1708
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:06,600
Speaker 3: rope and here's the gallows. Hang that motherfucker.

1709
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 2: Oh, they like built the gallows, and we're just like

1710
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:11,719
Speaker 2: they're basically like, look, we'll take care of everything.

1711
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 4: You just get your hangman up here.

1712
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell them to bring his diary because it's gonna

1713
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 3: be good.

1714
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:16,679
Speaker 4: Write this down.

1715
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:19,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, we built the gallows.

1716
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 3: So that's the story of Edward Lamaski, the brown Out Strangler.

1717
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 4: Wow, thanks, thank you, I saw you.

1718
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:29,559
Speaker 5: It was good.

1719
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 4: You did it well, we did it. We did it.

1720
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 1: That was.

1721
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:34,639
Speaker 3: That was.

1722
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 2: That was an American special that we brought up to you.

1723
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:47,240
Speaker 4: You kill him, we'll grill them. Shit. Okay, we're back.

1724
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:48,719
Speaker 4: Are there updates for this case?

1725
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 1: There are no case updates, unfortunately.

1726
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 3: But every once in a while we call up a

1727
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:56,879
Speaker 3: person from the audience and get a really great hometown

1728
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 3: and this is a good example.

1729
01:27:58,400 --> 01:27:58,600
Speaker 2: Of that.

1730
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, So if you're thinking of coming up to do

1731
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 3: a hometown in the future, if we ever do live

1732
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:03,759
Speaker 3: shows again.

1733
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 2: Please compare yourself to the hometown greats that we've experienced

1734
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:08,679
Speaker 2: in the past.

1735
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:12,799
Speaker 4: This one is. This is Rebecca. Let's hear her hometown?

1736
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 4: Is it town? It's time for hometown murder.

1737
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:19,559
Speaker 3: Time for a town home runner.

1738
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 2: Let's see is there a way we could get a

1739
01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 2: little bit of lights see if there's anyone that has

1740
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 2: a story they'd like to do.

1741
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 3: You want to do it?

1742
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 4: Do you want to do it?

1743
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:27,840
Speaker 5: Come on?

1744
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, Karen picks. All right, come over where Steven is?

1745
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:38,799
Speaker 3: I think that way probably? Oh, he's right there.

1746
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:46,040
Speaker 2: Hi, Hi, Hi, don't trip Joe fall.

1747
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 5: Down, We're gonna have HI.

1748
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 3: It's addressed.

1749
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 4: Are they falling all the way down?

1750
01:28:56,240 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 9: Keep stalkings? It's like, okay, look at it. This is

1751
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 9: no You guys have the cutest What are you doing?

1752
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 9: Stay in the forest, don't care a danger feeling.

1753
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:14,559
Speaker 4: This is so cute.

1754
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:16,760
Speaker 2: We're acting like the one store we've been to is

1755
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:18,440
Speaker 2: the only store in Melbourne?

1756
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 4: Is this from the one place we've been to?

1757
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1758
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 3: I heard you guys don't have any others?

1759
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 4: What's Hi.

1760
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:25,719
Speaker 7: What's your name? I'm Rebecca.

1761
01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:26,599
Speaker 4: Hi, Rebecca.

1762
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 3: Where are you from? Everyone will cheer for you? Thank you?

1763
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:30,559
Speaker 4: Yarra Valley?

1764
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 3: All right?

1765
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 4: I yeah, yeah. What's her hometown?

1766
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:38,680
Speaker 7: Okay, so I have a few, but I'll just do one.

1767
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 2: If it's really good, you can do more, yeah, or

1768
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:43,719
Speaker 2: if it's really bad, oh yeah, go ahead.

1769
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 6: I won't use exact names because I still live next

1770
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 6: door to my mom. So weird how you can't see

1771
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:50,600
Speaker 6: anyone out there?

1772
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 7: That's so creepy.

1773
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:56,000
Speaker 4: I know, it's better, Yeah, just look up into the lights.

1774
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:57,240
Speaker 7: Days off.

1775
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 6: So basically my mum and dad moved to cold Stream.

1776
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 6: I don't know if you know cold Stream of course,

1777
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:11,599
Speaker 6: cold along the Maroon to Highway, so basically high traffic area.

1778
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 6: And they start building his house and there's an old

1779
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 6: little barn out the back, a little bit creepy, and

1780
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 6: basically where they're going to build the house, there's a

1781
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:27,879
Speaker 6: big tree at the front, big cherry blossom, massive cherry blossom.

1782
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,559
Speaker 6: My dad's like, I really think I need to cut

1783
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 6: this down. Why, well, where the house is going to

1784
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 6: be so they could keep the old barn.

1785
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 7: Yeah. So the neighbor comes over.

1786
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 6: And he's this big massive guy, big beard. My dad's

1787
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:52,600
Speaker 6: like a skinny kind of crocodile d in Dundee. So

1788
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:54,760
Speaker 6: you imagine this other guy that's massive and my dad's

1789
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 6: kind of skinny. I wanna go control problem. Anyway, this

1790
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 6: guy tells him don't cut down the tree. No matter

1791
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 6: what you do, do not cut down the tree. Yeah,

1792
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 6: and so Dad's like, watch me. The next day, comes

1793
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 6: in with a bacco, but the tree's been cut down

1794
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 6: and there's a big hole right around the tree. No,

1795
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:19,920
Speaker 6: this is really sus Dad's like, what the hell's going on?

1796
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 6: So anyway, pulls up the tree, talks to the guy

1797
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,440
Speaker 6: next door. Doesn't know anything apparently.

1798
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 1: As you do.

1799
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 6: And then so we build the house over the top

1800
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:33,479
Speaker 6: where this tree was straight away, which ended up being

1801
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 6: my bedroom now b ands up being horrific hauntings.

1802
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 4: So yes, so he says like, sit down, happen.

1803
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:48,600
Speaker 3: Everything.

1804
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 4: It starts off with my brother.

1805
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:52,200
Speaker 7: So he's first in the room. So there's ten years

1806
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 7: between my brother and I.

1807
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:56,639
Speaker 6: Okay, so my brother Adam wakes up, there's his horrible,

1808
01:31:57,240 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 6: horrific noises in the room. Basically, this ghost likes musical instruments.

1809
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:04,599
Speaker 6: I don't know if you're believing ghosts. But anyway, sure,

1810
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:08,680
Speaker 6: my brother he has to learn the guitar. So you

1811
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 6: learn the recorder at primary school basically, then you go

1812
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 6: up to the guitar. So by grade six he's like

1813
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 6: mastered this guitar. Every night family wakes up to the

1814
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 6: guitar strum.

1815
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:22,720
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yea yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

1816
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:29,439
Speaker 6: So ten years on, I'm I'm just born basically, and

1817
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 6: my dad liked the ukulele, so he would come in.

1818
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 3: You guys gonna just not have string instore.

1819
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:39,880
Speaker 6: So basically what keeps happening is these horrible things keep

1820
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 6: happening in the in our family. Things like you'd be

1821
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:45,320
Speaker 6: in the shower and shampoo bottles would come down on you,

1822
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 6: like one after.

1823
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:50,480
Speaker 7: The gather yeah yeah yeah, like creepy as fuck.

1824
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:50,760
Speaker 3: Like.

1825
01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 6: Anyway, So eventually this just these things keep happening. And

1826
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:00,960
Speaker 6: I'm about four or five and I say to my mom,

1827
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:03,400
Speaker 6: I feel like there's something wrong with the neighbors.

1828
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:05,639
Speaker 7: There's something really strange.

1829
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 5: But she said it and she was in a nick

1830
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 5: down on her hand.

1831
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 4: And her eyes were white.

1832
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:15,280
Speaker 7: I don't know what's wrong.

1833
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:24,560
Speaker 6: So basically, the next day we're all sitting down for

1834
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:26,640
Speaker 6: dinner and I actually sent you in this email as

1835
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:27,320
Speaker 6: well about.

1836
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:27,720
Speaker 7: It, and we read it.

1837
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 4: We loved it, loved it.

1838
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:35,880
Speaker 6: So basically, the next day, we're all sitting down for dinner,

1839
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 6: police come wading through our house.

1840
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 7: They come through our house. So basically, like.

1841
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:43,599
Speaker 6: If you have somewhere safe to put the kids, put

1842
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 6: the kids and my brothers are older, we all went

1843
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:47,720
Speaker 6: in the bathroom stayed there.

1844
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:48,719
Speaker 1: What the fuck?

1845
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:54,000
Speaker 7: Dad gets out of his knife. Literally, that's not a knife,

1846
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:57,160
Speaker 7: it's like you call that a knife.

1847
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 6: And basically the police ride go to her, through our house,

1848
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 6: to the next door neighbors. They go through the back

1849
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:06,280
Speaker 6: paddocks we call them paddocks, and then through the front

1850
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 6: of the house.

1851
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, okay, yeah yeah yeah, And basically a body

1852
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 7: is found in their backyard. What this is their guys,

1853
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:19,080
Speaker 7: yeah yeah, big yeah yeah, the freaky guy. Okay, yep.

1854
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:22,799
Speaker 6: And there's other bones that are found on the premises

1855
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 6: as well. They believe they were buried. There was tree

1856
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:26,560
Speaker 6: roots through it.

1857
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 5: Oh my yard, I know, right, It's like, oh then,

1858
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 5: oh my god.

1859
01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 6: Then a couple of years past, so the father's been

1860
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:44,120
Speaker 6: put away at this point, his daughter is about nineteen twenty,

1861
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 6: and a body has found a cold stream tip.

1862
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 7: She's almost decapitated.

1863
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:56,559
Speaker 6: She's been injected aid yep, battery acid in a sleeping bag,

1864
01:34:57,240 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 6: bound up with a phone card when we used to

1865
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 6: actually have a phone calls. Yeah, yeah, horrific. They can't

1866
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:07,320
Speaker 6: move the body because this the daughter, which they did

1867
01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:07,840
Speaker 6: know at the time.

1868
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:08,599
Speaker 7: He named Karen.

1869
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:11,639
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, sure.

1870
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:14,519
Speaker 6: She has a thing where she always comes back to

1871
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:18,040
Speaker 6: the body, and every single time they've missed her. So

1872
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:20,000
Speaker 6: they've moved the body and missed that chance of her

1873
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:22,840
Speaker 6: coming back and trying to bury it or get rid

1874
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:23,559
Speaker 6: of evidence.

1875
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:25,759
Speaker 3: So they're like, we've got to leave the body.

1876
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:28,320
Speaker 7: So they bring the talking to the mother and they're like,

1877
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:29,719
Speaker 7: we can't move the body.

1878
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:30,479
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry.

1879
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 6: So it gets quite emotional. The whole town is like

1880
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 6: this girl, like, we don't know the body is being found.

1881
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:38,280
Speaker 6: We don't know anything about it's all top secret.

1882
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 3: They haven't heard of a mannequin with a fucking.

1883
01:35:43,240 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 7: Face.

1884
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 3: I do know where she was anyway.

1885
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 7: So basically Karen comes back with dynamite to blow up

1886
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:50,639
Speaker 7: the body.

1887
01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 5: Shit, And this is really, you're not a compulsive liar.

1888
01:35:57,200 --> 01:36:01,439
Speaker 4: I don't care, story comes back, doesn't matter.

1889
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:04,080
Speaker 7: This is like later on she does it again with dynamite.

1890
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:05,120
Speaker 1: She has a thing with dynamite.

1891
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 7: Okay, what so this girl had been it was a

1892
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 7: drug deal gone wrong. Karen was a.

1893
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 3: Drug dealer and.

1894
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:18,160
Speaker 6: But yeah, yeah, yeah, so Ian was a really bad

1895
01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:21,080
Speaker 6: guy that hid the body underneath where our house was

1896
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:23,920
Speaker 6: and then had a body in the backyard. And then

1897
01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:27,799
Speaker 6: Karen's the daughter who's in a almost she's about nineteen

1898
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:30,760
Speaker 6: twenty by now, so basically, drug deal's gone wrong. She

1899
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 6: was living in Lili Dao. She moved back in with

1900
01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:36,080
Speaker 6: her dad after this girl was killed. Now she gets

1901
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:38,320
Speaker 6: a dynamite, comes back to blow up this body.

1902
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 4: Please, it's not a solution.

1903
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:46,280
Speaker 7: So when she comes back, basically the cops jump on her.

1904
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:50,639
Speaker 7: So she's done for. She's arrested. Her boyfriend was waiting

1905
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 7: in the car.

1906
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:55,599
Speaker 6: Now when she does her statement, so basically she rats

1907
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:59,920
Speaker 6: out her boyfriend. She got less time because she was

1908
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:02,680
Speaker 6: making sandwiches in the kitchen while they were torturing this

1909
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:06,760
Speaker 6: girl for forty eight hours. Oh it's repulsive like that

1910
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:10,400
Speaker 6: is just yeah, So she got less time because of that.

1911
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:14,320
Speaker 7: So disgusting. Yeah, so yeah, I know you're right.

1912
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:19,080
Speaker 3: This is happening next door while you're growing up.

1913
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:21,000
Speaker 7: Well, no, so this is so the daughter.

1914
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:22,960
Speaker 6: She was mostly living at lily Dale and she's doing

1915
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:25,160
Speaker 6: all these drug deals and stuff like that, whereas Ianan

1916
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:25,840
Speaker 6: moved out.

1917
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:27,280
Speaker 3: So just his wife was still there.

1918
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So.

1919
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:32,760
Speaker 6: Basically Karen then gets out of jail. A few years later,

1920
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 6: her boyfriend's still in jail. She gets dynamite to blow

1921
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:37,679
Speaker 6: out her boyfriend out of jail.

1922
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:43,000
Speaker 4: Karen, Karen, there's other things in the world.

1923
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:48,320
Speaker 5: Christ Her mom's like, when you did the dishes, She's like, yeah,

1924
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:49,360
Speaker 5: I've got the perfect.

1925
01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:55,719
Speaker 6: Ain't a man. So she ends up going back into jail. Obviously,

1926
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 6: he does more time fast forward about I think it

1927
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:02,680
Speaker 6: was about three or four years ago. She ends up

1928
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:04,439
Speaker 6: moving back in next door to my mom.

1929
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:07,280
Speaker 3: But it's okay, she's born.

1930
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:11,479
Speaker 7: Again Christians.

1931
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:15,759
Speaker 4: Given so good. Yeah, Jesus forgets like all that ship.

1932
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:20,640
Speaker 5: Cleared the thing that really fucks me.

1933
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:22,720
Speaker 4: Jesus does love Dynamite.

1934
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:24,400
Speaker 3: Loves it.

1935
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:27,559
Speaker 7: So in the end, yeah, my mom still lives.

1936
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:27,960
Speaker 4: Next door them.

1937
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:31,160
Speaker 5: Do you guys have a member for Christmas?

1938
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:35,280
Speaker 4: Like what's fourth of July? Like just really tense, don't

1939
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:49,360
Speaker 4: have that here? Sorry, sorry, Yeah, that's the story of

1940
01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:49,880
Speaker 4: the Jewels.

1941
01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:50,719
Speaker 3: I love.

1942
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:55,959
Speaker 7: I'm Laser Rebecca.

1943
01:38:56,600 --> 01:39:05,400
Speaker 4: You guys, Rebecca Rebecca. That was amazing. Wow, not that

1944
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 4: I mean, oh no, don't spot it.

1945
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:14,160
Speaker 1: So are we?

1946
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:21,800
Speaker 4: Okay? So this episode was originally titled Live at the

1947
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:22,599
Speaker 4: Comedy Theater.

1948
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:23,680
Speaker 1: I think we can do better than that.

1949
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:24,400
Speaker 4: I'm sure.

1950
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 3: Okay, if we were naming it today based on the episode,

1951
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:28,680
Speaker 3: maybe we would call it Marmite.

1952
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:32,679
Speaker 2: We could also name it Paul Onions. Yes, he really

1953
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:35,639
Speaker 2: became a legend. And also one of the first Nick

1954
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:38,280
Speaker 2: Terry videos featured Paul Onions.

1955
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:39,479
Speaker 1: It's an onion head.

1956
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:40,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.

1957
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:45,200
Speaker 2: And uh, also me screaming leave Paul Onions alone, because

1958
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:47,960
Speaker 2: I think that's when we started to realize and that.

1959
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:49,000
Speaker 4: People listen to us.

1960
01:39:49,479 --> 01:39:52,240
Speaker 2: It's like, can you imagine if people are trying to

1961
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:55,679
Speaker 2: talk to him or like involve him in this podcast? Like, yeah,

1962
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:58,200
Speaker 2: so we just started screaming leave Paul Onions alone.

1963
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:01,479
Speaker 3: Paul holes is fine. He's a public figure. He belongs

1964
01:40:01,479 --> 01:40:02,479
Speaker 3: to all of us, Yes.

1965
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:03,400
Speaker 4: But he enjoys it.

1966
01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:06,360
Speaker 2: Right, Let's just pick Paul Onions now, yeah, because he

1967
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:06,920
Speaker 2: deserves it.

1968
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:09,639
Speaker 3: He does after everything he's been through we put him through.

1969
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:12,320
Speaker 3: All right, Well, thanks you guys for listening to another

1970
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:15,600
Speaker 3: episode of Rewind from here in the Bahamas. We're going

1971
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:18,400
Speaker 3: to go back to Melbourne, just say goodbye.

1972
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:25,120
Speaker 5: Wow, you guys. That was very powerful.

1973
01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:27,120
Speaker 3: That was super a lot.

1974
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:29,640
Speaker 4: It was a real journey for all of us.

1975
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:32,360
Speaker 3: I believe in ghosts now. I didn't believe in ghosts before.

1976
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:34,360
Speaker 3: No guitar playing ghosts.

1977
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:36,360
Speaker 4: We're so scared. I'm so scared.

1978
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:36,840
Speaker 2: Show.

1979
01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 3: There's also freezing up here.

1980
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:40,840
Speaker 2: You got This has been such an amazing show.

1981
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:43,519
Speaker 5: Thank you so what a kickoff for this rust.

1982
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:46,400
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

1983
01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:49,040
Speaker 3: This has been We're so excited to be in Australia.

1984
01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:51,719
Speaker 4: You guys are so fucking nice. It's amazing.

1985
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:54,960
Speaker 3: You're so happy to be here.

1986
01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:57,960
Speaker 4: We're so happy to be here. And of course we

1987
01:40:58,120 --> 01:40:59,600
Speaker 4: just want you to stay sexy.

1988
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:05,280
Speaker 1: And Elvis, do you want a cookie?

1989
01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:06,439
Speaker 4: M hmmm