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Speaker 4: Our number three here on the Odd Couple, Rob Parker

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Speaker 4: hear Doug Live throw.

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Speaker 2: A chair during your show.

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying.

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Speaker 2: What I'm just saying is that like a four or

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Speaker 1: Everybody have a Bobby Night moment every now and again. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we just chuck a chair.

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Speaker 4: But you chuck the chair, but usually you gotta win

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Speaker 4: some national championships first.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, uh, hey, coming out.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting it shaved right now. Come just scrap at

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Speaker 1: super Bowl coming up in about twenty seven minutes.

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Speaker 4: Hondo Carpenter, friend of mine who covers the Las Vegas Raiders,

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Speaker 4: beat writer for OU Side.

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Speaker 2: Do you know Hondo.

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Speaker 4: He's from the Michigan state area. He was a sportscaster

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Speaker 4: up there. I gotta see him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, matter of.

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Speaker 4: Fact, Darren Haynes from KCBS, Yeah, here in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 4: you're our bud. Uh he worked with Hondo. He knows

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Speaker 4: Hondo really working. Yeah, so he covers the Raiders. Interesting

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Speaker 4: interesting article that he wrote, and I need to take

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Speaker 2: So yes, give me, give me a headline of teaser.

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Speaker 4: He talked about that he's not advocating that Pete Carroll

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Speaker 4: get fired, but the name he brought up as a replacement,

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Speaker 3: Look at you.

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Speaker 5: How long have you been working in radio?

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Speaker 2: Let me see it. He didn't write it, and he

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Speaker 5: That was great. That was a really good one.

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Speaker 2: Rob, it's simple whatever, whatever one of his job. That's

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Speaker 2: my favorite thing. What my favorite thing is that nobody

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Speaker 1: Shout out to YouTube if you're in the radio on

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Speaker 1: my back, or check out the podcast or simulcast on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: My favorite thing is me and you yelling at each

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Speaker 1: is you're crazy, though, you're wrong, You're crazy, You're wrong,

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Speaker 1: all right, it's simple, rap ge g, it's simple.

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Speaker 5: It's simple.

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Speaker 1: And from radio listeners, I'm looking at my phone waiting,

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Speaker 2: It's simple, rob Gi, I need to get the text whatever.

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Speaker 1: No you're wrong. I'm trying to tell you. No, you

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Speaker 2: All right, I know my professor's at Columbia and Jayson.

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Speaker 1: Let's sometimes you gotta be it every now and again.

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Speaker 5: The remote anyway, go ahead, well before we get to

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Speaker 5: this next topic, because it is a heavy one. A

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Speaker 5: And then a big motion says contrary to popular belief,

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Speaker 1: Said today, that's not what that's not because you would

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Speaker 4: That was the point you noticed doing sports talk rat

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Speaker 1: come on, that'side. But when other shows before us would

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Speaker 5: And last one before we get to the topic here,

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Speaker 5: the Odd Couple on the ur Heart Radio app because

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Speaker 5: all Rob talks about is ZD. I mean, that's fair.

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Speaker 5: We got a lot of rugiet ad there on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: That money are paying your money or pills. So he

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Speaker 1: said it's hard to listen to the Odd Couple.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, we should use that.

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Speaker 5: Okay, we're moving on.

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Speaker 5: We're not doing that. I was gonna send an air

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Speaker 5: check to them, like, hey, look at it, we're sponsors,

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Speaker 5: Nah, yeah, yeah, terrible timing. A big story of the day, guys,

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Speaker 5: Michigan is one of the bigger brands in all of football,

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Speaker 4: And Kelvin as you know, being a columnist and TV

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Speaker 2: Didn't win national championships. They really didn't.

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Speaker 4: And as much as I pushed back against that, I

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Speaker 2: Winning a bowl used to be huge.

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Speaker 1: The Rose Bowl was huge, like that was a massive deal.

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Speaker 1: everybody's watching college football and you're seeing that Maze and blue.

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Speaker 1: They're playing hell to the victors, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And it's Michigan that created a huge, massive brand. Having

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Speaker 1: I absolutely believe it's a great gig. It's a great city.

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Speaker 4: But for somebody from New York who didn't grow up

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Speaker 2: It's a great feel. It is a big deal.

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Speaker 1: So I think as of the last twenty five thirty years,

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Speaker 2: The other thing about Michigan, like I it's one hundred

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Speaker 7: If Michigan can spend ten million dollars on Bryce Underwood,

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Speaker 5: What there's always some nuance to everything, But no, they're

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Speaker 5: All the way eractly, and everything you guys said is accurate,

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Speaker 7: But you're talking about Michigan carries LIKEAAMA and Georgia of

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Speaker 5: You can get all the money, all the nil money,

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Speaker 5: So why do you want to sign up for that

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Speaker 1: I don't think Michigan. I think the dirty secret is

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Speaker 5: So is it a better job than Penn State? Are

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: Not now.

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Speaker 7: No, here's the thing you if you say, if you

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Speaker 2: That's the thing that Michigan doesn't happen, all right.

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Speaker 4: They got enough players coming out of that state alone,

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Speaker 2: They don't have to go somewhere.

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Speaker 7: That's that's to draw back of University Michigan is you

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Rob, Yep, It's all good, all right? Is It's simple.

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Speaker 2: It's Michigan football. It's simple. I got the texts. I

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Speaker 6: a University of Iowa letterman. Okay, back in the eighties.

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Speaker 4: It's a lot, it's a lot going on. Thanks Chaplin, Mattie.

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Speaker 1: And as more is unraveling, right, we're still trying to

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Speaker 2: They just told me he would take USC over Michigan.

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Speaker 9: Thank thanks taking a call. As Billy Jean King once said,

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Speaker 8: You know, you.

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Speaker 9: Mentioned the football championships going back to ninety seven to one.

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Speaker 9: That was a thru error culture, cultural movement. And I

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Speaker 9: to be a juggernaut, they will get you up and

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Speaker 9: out of there. And so Harball was the correct man

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Speaker 9: for the job because you had the cachet, you had

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Speaker 9: the the name recognition. But even Harball, it took him

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Speaker 9: time to get over the top.

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Speaker 2: So it happened in order to get over the top.

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Speaker 2: But that's another story.

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Speaker 9: Allege you okay, Rob to your point, Rich Brod didn't

447
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Speaker 9: work there. It can't just be you know, the coach

448
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Speaker 9: is previous who weren't big names and then couldn't beat

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Speaker 9: Ohio State, which you know, there's no shame in it.

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Speaker 6: It's difficult.

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Speaker 9: You'll fill all out and get the heck out of there.

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Speaker 9: So it has to be the right person, a Michigan man,

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Speaker 9: and then somebody with the as I said, the standing

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Speaker 9: to get to Beatlehouse State and go and go forward.

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Speaker 1: Thanks taking the appreciate you appreciate you, rodre Man. Happy

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Speaker 1: holidays to you all. Right on the way. Hondo Carpenter,

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas Raiders beat writer for a Sports Illustrated. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk to them in just a minute. Right now, Martin

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Speaker 1: Wis can get you set on what's trending, Hey, Martin.

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Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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Speaker 1: And join right now by Hondo Carpenter, Las Vegas Raiders

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Speaker 1: beat writer for Sports Illustrated. Hondo Carpenter, X, what up?

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Speaker 1: How you doing?

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Speaker 2: Hondo?

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Speaker 6: Hey?

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Speaker 8: Great to be on with you guys. Rob Parker and

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Speaker 8: I've been friends for over two decades and when Rob calls,

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Speaker 8: I always answer. But it's a treat to be on

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Speaker 8: with you, brother. And I got to tell you Rob,

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Speaker 8: I'll kicked his coverage for co host.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know what, I appreciate you giving to ky works

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Speaker 1: and then you know what I'm dealing with. You've been

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Speaker 1: dealing with it for twenty.

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Speaker 4: Years, over the years, and we go, we go with

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Speaker 4: you back, no doubt. Appreciate you and of course you

480
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Speaker 4: cover the Raiders a disaster this season. Pete Carrol's roast

481
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Speaker 4: cheer hondo. Let's start here before we get to the

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Speaker 4: column that you wrote. Just what's gone wrong here? There's

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Speaker 4: no way people thought this team would be this bad.

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Speaker 4: And it doesn't seem as if anything's working.

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Speaker 8: No, And I can tell you a couple of things.

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Speaker 8: First of all, anyone that you know this, this is

487
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Speaker 8: an organization that's been fractured for decades, and it's an

488
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Speaker 8: organization that's been dysfunctional. It's an organization that hasn't operated well.

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Speaker 8: And I'm going to tell you, and you know, Rob,

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Speaker 8: you've known me for twenty years. You can vouch for

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Speaker 8: my integrity as a journalist. I'm not a Raider fan.

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Speaker 8: But you know, Mark Davis is an owner that's willing

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Speaker 8: to spend any amount of money. He's paying tens of

494
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Speaker 8: millions to people who don't even work for him anymore.

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Speaker 8: And everybody wants an owner who will stay out of

496
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Speaker 8: the way and let things happen. But the problem is

497
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Speaker 8: is there's been a lot of bad advice. Is he's

498
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Speaker 8: learned how to be an owner. His dad didn't train him,

499
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Speaker 8: like Jerry is trading his son in Dallas. And so

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Speaker 8: you know, there's been you know, there's been a learning curve.

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Speaker 8: But here's the problem. Pete Carroll is a great coach.

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Speaker 8: You can make an argument he's one of the top

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Speaker 8: five all time when you look at the fact of

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Speaker 8: what he did in college and what he did in

505
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Speaker 8: the pro and everywhere he has succeeded, and he has

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Speaker 8: been elite. He's been allowed to steer the ship and

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Speaker 8: be true North. And for people who say, well, what

508
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Speaker 8: about the last you know, the last little bit in Seattle,

509
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Speaker 8: the organization was going through a shift and he was

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Speaker 8: no longer that voice. And so everywhere he hasn't been

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Speaker 8: in charge, they've not been successful. And everywhere he has,

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Speaker 8: they'd have. So they brought him in and he has

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Speaker 8: not been the voice. He's not been the True North.

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Speaker 8: And so anyone who's shocked by that, I mean by

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Speaker 8: the results, well this is you know, they've they've not

516
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Speaker 8: been elite when he's not the boss. And the sad

517
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Speaker 8: part is is why in the world wouldn't he be.

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Speaker 8: I mean it goes back to Antonio Pierce, who a

519
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Speaker 8: lot of people owe an apology to. You know, he

520
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Speaker 8: didn't want Luke Getzy, he didn't want all of the

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Speaker 8: staff he was handcuffed with, and then you know, Pete

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Speaker 8: Carroll gets Chip Kelly, who by the way, I want

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Speaker 8: to give Chip credit. You know, everybody's got bosses, and

524
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Speaker 8: but Chip Kelly came in and this was Chip Kelly's offense.

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Speaker 8: Chip ran it. He may been the head coach, it

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Speaker 8: was Chip's office.

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Speaker 4: Okay, but here let me say this, Hondo and I

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Speaker 4: get your points.

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Speaker 2: But if this team was what's their record? Now where

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Speaker 2: are we?

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Speaker 5: Okay?

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Speaker 4: So if they were eleven and two, no one would

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Speaker 4: be talking about that Pete has Pete. Pete wouldn't have

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Speaker 4: anything to do with this. This is about Chip Kelly.

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Speaker 4: This is about all the other people who are making

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Speaker 4: it the decisions right that we would not have that conversation.

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Speaker 4: Pete Carroll would get credit for what has happened. Now

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Speaker 4: here's my Beef'll tell.

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Speaker 8: You why I disagree with you on that. I'm gonna

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna vehemently disagree.

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Speaker 4: Do you think that it'd be eleven in two in

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Speaker 4: his first two years and the talk would not be

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Speaker 4: about how great Pete Carroll was to turn his team.

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Speaker 8: Eleven in two. If they were eleven and two, I

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Speaker 8: would be talking about the tremendous job that Chip Kelly

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Speaker 8: is doing, he's running the offense.

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Speaker 2: Well, pould get credit? Hando, What a guy? What a resurgence?

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Speaker 2: Why is working for him? And not Bill?

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Speaker 5: Bill?

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Speaker 8: He would be getting a ton of credit.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I don't want to get too bogged down

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Speaker 2: with that. Yeah, because because I really want to get

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Speaker 2: to this.

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Speaker 8: No, but wait a minute, wait a minute, because I

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Speaker 8: don't want to get over shouted. You brought me on

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Speaker 8: as a guest. I want to clarify something. I would

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Speaker 8: absolutely be giving Pete a ton of credit, and I

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Speaker 8: would be giving it to Chip though also I wouldn't

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Speaker 8: I wouldn't be there's blame here for everybody, and there

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Speaker 8: would also be credit.

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Speaker 2: All right, here's the other part.

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Speaker 4: So your column you wrote, and you weren't advocating for

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Speaker 4: Pete Carroll to be fired, even though I think that

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Speaker 4: he should be fired, even after a terrible first year,

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Speaker 4: just because everything to me is not right.

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Speaker 2: But that's not what you advocated in the column.

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Speaker 4: But you said, if the management and uh Davis decided

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Speaker 4: to make that Mark Davis decide to make a decision,

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Speaker 4: you would want to see the Raiders rehire John Gruden.

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Speaker 4: And I could not disagree more that John Gruden deserves

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Speaker 4: some other another opportunity with the Raiders. We already know

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Speaker 4: the history of all the other stuff and the emails

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Speaker 4: or whatever, and people can dispute whether or not they

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Speaker 4: should have been released to what he wrote those emails

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Speaker 4: those were. He's not saying somebody wrote those emails. In

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Speaker 4: his account, he admits he wrote those. And the question

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Speaker 4: is it's not about the authenticity of it. Make your

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Speaker 4: cage for John Gruden, because I just don't see one.

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Speaker 8: Okay, So let's go back, and I would tell you

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Speaker 8: this the first thing. If they decide to fire Pete,

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Speaker 8: and I don't think they should. I think they should

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Speaker 8: let him be in charge. But if they decide to

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Speaker 8: move on with Pete, then I think the next thing

584
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Speaker 8: that has to happen is Mark needs to sit down

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Speaker 8: with Tom Brady and say do you want to run

586
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Speaker 8: the franchise? And if tom Brady says no, and he

587
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Speaker 8: says yes, and he says, you got to be in

588
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Speaker 8: the building. If you don't want to be in the building,

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Speaker 8: you're not going to run it, and then go do

590
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Speaker 8: the ultimate Raider thing. Go get a guy who's suing

591
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Speaker 8: the NFL and do something to rejuvenate your fan base.

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Speaker 8: Not all of them are going to be excited. But

593
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Speaker 8: you know what, if you're not going to do the

594
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Speaker 8: sensible thing, you fire everybody every year. If you're not

595
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Speaker 8: going to finally say, okay, Pete, this has been your

596
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Speaker 8: track record. Tom doesn't want to run it or be

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Speaker 8: in the building, then you run it and we'll give

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Speaker 8: you your two years. But if you're going to keep

599
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Speaker 8: firing people every year, then you might as well do

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Speaker 8: a raider thing. Go get the guy who's suing the league.

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Speaker 8: Go get the guy that you know what. Okay, fine,

602
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Speaker 8: we're going to sue the league. We're gonna go be

603
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Speaker 8: the bad guys again. Because here's the problem with with

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Speaker 8: what about the three?

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Speaker 2: Well, what about the football Hondo?

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Speaker 4: Since he left Tampa Bay, he's twenty two and thirty one,

607
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Speaker 4: he hasn't won anything. And I get it, you might

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Speaker 4: like his commentary and he knows about quarterback act to

609
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Speaker 4: all the other stuff and his work.

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Speaker 2: On television, radio and the whole point.

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Speaker 4: But what I'm saying, why should he get another opportunity

612
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Speaker 4: he didn't do well?

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Speaker 2: That that's my issue.

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Speaker 8: Okay, then let me just finish. Here's the whole point

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Speaker 8: is that I wouldn't make this move. But if you're

616
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Speaker 8: a dysfunctional organization that just fires everybody every year anyways,

617
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Speaker 8: then go do a Raider move because it won't work.

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Speaker 8: But this is what the organization has come down to.

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Speaker 8: The Raiders have got to fix the get this this

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Speaker 8: organization on one page. They've got to get it going

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Speaker 8: in one direction. And if they're willing to do that's

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Speaker 8: why I say you start with Tom you want to

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Speaker 8: run it fantastic, then you would. I wouldn't hire Gruden.

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Speaker 8: I would go get the guy, a young coach that

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Speaker 8: they want, or maybe a Robert Sala and then do

626
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Speaker 8: whatever you want to do. But if you're going to

627
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Speaker 8: continue to be dysfunction then it to act like the

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Speaker 8: Raiders of old. Because here's the biggest problem nobody's talking about.

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Speaker 5: Rob.

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Speaker 8: When you and I were in Detroit, the fans there,

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Speaker 8: they were the lovable losers. They still showed up because

632
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Speaker 8: that was okay. This is a fan base that cut

633
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Speaker 8: its teeth with championships, and you sell them every year.

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Speaker 8: Just win baby, and you've got twenty years of mediocrity

635
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Speaker 8: and you have a whole generation now who's grown up

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Speaker 8: with you not winning. You got I mean, I've had

637
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Speaker 8: dad to email me their kids won't even go to

638
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Speaker 8: games with them. And so if you want to rejuvenate

639
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Speaker 8: a franchise that's becoming angry and apathetic, you go do

640
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Speaker 8: a raider move. Go do something that puts them in

641
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Speaker 8: fire in saying there's blood in our veins. The point is,

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Speaker 8: I don't think Gruden's the answer either, but this organization

643
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Speaker 8: has to do something to get its identity back. And

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Speaker 8: if you're not gonna stick with a guy who's won

645
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Speaker 8: championships and the ros and championships in college, a guy

646
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Speaker 8: who comes with the track record in the resume of

647
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Speaker 8: Pete Carroll and let him run it, then just go

648
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Speaker 8: do something raider. But right now the organization doesn't have

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Speaker 8: an identity. What would you guys say of it? It's

650
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Speaker 8: not just win, all right?

651
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah it ain't. It ain't winning, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: It has been bad, and as you mentioned that, Detroit

653
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Speaker 1: usedhim lovable losers, they were able to turn it around.

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Speaker 2: We're roll time here. I let y'all two talk. You know,

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Speaker 2: y'all have AaB.

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Speaker 8: No.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm just listening to you two having

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Speaker 1: some beers on a holiday, some eggnog going on up.

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Speaker 2: In there, not gonna jump in real quick. We got

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Speaker 2: a short time.

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Speaker 1: One of the things you can start to consider, and

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Speaker 1: it sucks because you may have to do it.

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Speaker 2: He's your best player.

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Speaker 1: But do you consider trading Max Crosby start to get

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Speaker 1: some some you know, some assets, some younger people, maybe

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Speaker 1: lose some of the payroll. Do you is that something

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Speaker 1: you would consider because people have always said he's probably

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Speaker 1: tired of losing there.

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Speaker 8: Well, I can tell you this. I have know Max

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Speaker 8: a long time. He loves being the raider. Raider. His

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Speaker 8: whole body is tatted with raiders up. I've known him

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Speaker 8: back since he was a freshman in college and he

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Speaker 8: wants to be there. But last year when he got

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Speaker 8: his new deal, it wasn't about money with him. He

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Speaker 8: is an elite football player. He is a unicorn and

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Speaker 8: if he were on a better team, he would be

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Speaker 8: discussed as the best defender in the NFL. And what

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Speaker 8: I and what I would say to you is this,

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Speaker 8: It's not fair because Max isn't chasing the dollars. He

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Speaker 8: has tens of millions in business investments outside of the

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Speaker 8: NFL because he's tremendously intelligent, with his money. This is

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Speaker 8: not about money. He wants to win and the Raiders

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Speaker 8: owe this to him. You have wasted seven years of

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Speaker 8: that man's career, and I'm going to ask you at

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Speaker 8: two and eleven this is this is not popular. This

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Speaker 8: guy shouldn't be playing anymore this year. If you're going

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Speaker 8: to keep him, can't risk him.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate love, Rob, Love you guys, no doubt, Thank you, Honda.

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Speaker 4: Happy holidays to you and the family.

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Speaker 2: Rob G.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Next time you book him, just tell

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Speaker 1: me to stay home.

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Speaker 2: That's sorry. Let me tell you so.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty eight you said, yeah, well no, no, Rob, Rob.

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Speaker 2: You don't know what I shot you that? Okay, all right?

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Speaker 1: Was that the last call? No, the way y'all just talked,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was the last call. Can I get

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Speaker 1: you ready again? Let me get you it ain't, Rob G.

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Speaker 1: Best part about it on YouTube they get to see

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Speaker 1: Rob do this. Look at me, robb G pointing to me, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you get the next one. Hi, don't let me take

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Speaker 1: this hond on, let me put it.

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Speaker 2: I let it slide. That's your homeboy, Calvin. Don't you

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Speaker 2: see the blinking nungers? Get out this last call by

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Speaker 2: Yore You go all right? Last call? That was it?

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Speaker 2: But did we get another one? And we got another

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Speaker 2: last seven ninety nine on Fox.

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Speaker 1: Eighty seven seven ninety nine on Fox, Hit Your Boys Up,

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Speaker 1: Last Call a couple of Fox Worts Radio.

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Speaker 3: where's your chit?

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Speaker 6: You call?

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Speaker 3: Eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox, Hurry Up, Robin Kelvin,

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Speaker 2: Calls, Last call, Last call.

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Speaker 3: Time on the ond color.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers had some beautiful balls. All right. Who we

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Speaker 2: got Jamie in North Cacilaca.

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Speaker 4: You're on the couple of Fox Sports Radio and you

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Speaker 4: are the last call.

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Speaker 2: What's up, Jamil?

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Speaker 3: What's it going on?

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Speaker 9: Guys?

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Speaker 2: How are you? What's up?

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Speaker 9: I'm all right, I'm like, I just want to stick

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Speaker 9: on the Raiders here. You know, I'm I'm twenty seven

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Speaker 9: and I've seen the.

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Speaker 3: Raiders be bad for twenty years.

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Speaker 8: Twenty years now.

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Speaker 7: I'm sorry, I've seen two many seasons, too many seasons

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Speaker 7: my whole life, right, And if they retained Pete Carroll,

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Speaker 7: but let go of AP.

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Speaker 8: I just don't know what it's saying.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of people but but I but I do.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that Pete Carroll should keep his job.

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Speaker 4: But there is a difference between AP and him, Like

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Speaker 4: Pete Carroll has had success, like I'm not, so I'm

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Speaker 4: not let's not make him as one and one?

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Speaker 2: Could you could you acknowledge that?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think if you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: you're still here going.

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Speaker 1: I'm not fine him, And maybe I'm saying maybe we're

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Speaker 1: building onto something like Pete Carroll is obviously potentially Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famer.

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Speaker 2: You know. No, I'm just saying like they're not on

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Speaker 2: a part. They're not.

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Speaker 1: But I think you'd say, I want to see if

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Speaker 1: we were building something.

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Speaker 2: I think I do.

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Speaker 4: I think a p that that it was a disastrous

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Speaker 4: first year, and it's a disastrous first year for Pete Carroll,

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Speaker 4: and I think you gotta be careful. I know people

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Speaker 4: want to give people years and go like, well, we

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Speaker 4: gotta wait and see, and sometimes it's worked out. And

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Speaker 4: for every Dan Campbell, there's ten other guys where they're

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Speaker 4: not good.

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Speaker 1: Understand but like you fail your way, look, well, it's

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Speaker 1: because it can't be win like not everybody go from

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Speaker 1: worse to first.

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Speaker 4: What I didn't like about Adrian Peterson, I mean Antonio

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Speaker 4: Antonio Pierces, I'm sorry, ap.

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Speaker 2: What I didn't like is that they didn't spread the net,

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Speaker 2: rob g. They didn't.

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Speaker 4: They didn't of you other people like the players that

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Speaker 4: all we like him, and they they.

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Speaker 5: Never even met with Jim Harbaugh, even though he had

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Speaker 5: Raiders ties.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 1: Remember him kind of the whispers of like that could

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Speaker 1: be something yet. But that's what bothered me about that hire.

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Speaker 4: If you would have spread the net and gone down

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Speaker 4: and talked to a few people and you really believe.

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Speaker 2: That, no matter what, that's how I got that's the guy.

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Speaker 4: Then I'm cool with that. That's what bothered me about this.

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Speaker 4: Pete Carroll, I didn't like to hire me than one

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Speaker 4: of us. Yeah, from Jump Street. And you're not gonna

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Speaker 4: have a future with Pete Carroll. He's seventy four. Like,

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Speaker 4: no matter what he gets started, a new culture is

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Speaker 4: gonna come in once he's done.

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Speaker 1: And you just did me. You you'd have to. You

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Speaker 1: just had to start over. So he spent two or

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Speaker 1: three years with Peak Carroll. Say, so let me start

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Speaker 1: over for another two orre years caause you got to

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Speaker 1: build something. It's hard to just come right in and

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Speaker 1: turn things around unless you were fortunate enough to like

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Speaker 1: if somebody replaced John Harball and they walk right into Lamar, well,

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Speaker 1: well you can turn something around quickly.

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Speaker 2: You got Lamar exactly. Yeah, So all right, what a

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Speaker 2: day it was?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 1: We thought we had a bunch of things we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about, and then uh, that dropped earlier, so we

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Speaker 1: have a stuff to get into tomorrow we couldn't today.

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Speaker 4: All right, Enjoy the Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon

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Speaker 4: is coming up next.

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Speaker 3: I never miss your radio show.

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Speaker 2: I never hear it, so I never miss it. Did

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Speaker 2: you hear that?