Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Wills
Speaker 1: Adams and this is part two of Bachelor and Paradise Unplugged.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be jumping right back in where we left off.
Speaker 1: You can't talk about Paradise without talking about the Parliament
Speaker 1: of Paradise. Sean, where the hell did this come from?
Speaker 1: Tell us the birth story of the Parliament of Paradise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw him getting paid for the T shirts
Speaker 2: they're making on this idea, so the collecting checks afterwards.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I actually was like really hoping it
Speaker 2: would turn into Survivor. Apparently no one else ever heard
Speaker 2: of that game before. For me, it was like, at
Speaker 2: this point, like what people have to understand is the
Speaker 2: Parliament of Paradise.
Speaker 3: There was maybe four or.
Speaker 2: Five days lofts of filming when that happened, Like we
Speaker 2: were all getting sent home at a rapid pace. I
Speaker 2: looked around the room and I was like, don't really
Speaker 2: have many friends from.
Speaker 3: My season here. I came in last as the guys.
Speaker 3: I didn't have a roommate.
Speaker 2: I'm like thinking about when we're voting off people, like
Speaker 2: we're fucked, Like we're literally going home in two days.
Speaker 2: So if you can try to make some work before
Speaker 2: and you try to give security to people, and obviously flopped.
Speaker 2: No one really saw my vision, but I will say
Speaker 2: I fucking I called everything the jury coming back.
Speaker 3: I had it all mapped out.
Speaker 2: I was like Charlie Day, like the Pepe Sylvia and
Speaker 2: the male scene.
Speaker 3: Like connecting the docs.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it didn't work out, but hey, like if
Speaker 2: I didn't do that, like I would have been sent
Speaker 2: home two days later anyway, Like you know, I just
Speaker 2: sat there and played the game like everyone else would
Speaker 2: have been gone.
Speaker 4: Wait, can I just add one thing? When you sat
Speaker 4: down with Keith and me and you said like I
Speaker 4: was wondering what the hell had happened to you?
Speaker 5: Like you just went off on this thing.
Speaker 3: What did I say specifically?
Speaker 4: And then you said to Keith and me like we
Speaker 4: are the strongest relationship here, Oh okay, And I was
Speaker 4: wait and I said, I said, no, you're not. And yeah,
Speaker 4: like you said he said, you said to me, we
Speaker 4: are the strongest relationship. And I looked you straight and said, no,
Speaker 4: you're not.
Speaker 3: It's crazy or not, we're the strong relationship.
Speaker 6: Not.
Speaker 2: I don't think you know what the fuck you're talking about. No,
Speaker 2: here's the thing, and this is a big part of
Speaker 2: the entire season. Everyone's judging each other's relationships. I then
Speaker 2: mention of Brian and Prisa, Alicia, myself, everyone's relationships. You're
Speaker 2: not there in the moments. Everyone's having this idea of
Speaker 2: people's relationships, and I thought it was really ridiculous for
Speaker 2: people to put themselves in those conversations with them at night,
Speaker 2: when we're sleeping together, when they're sharing the moments. So
Speaker 2: like when you're voting off the strong relationship, we don't
Speaker 2: really know because we're not.
Speaker 4: Wait, I love you to pieces, but I think everybody
Speaker 4: here would acknowledge that Jess and Spencer, who, by the way,
Speaker 4: are engaged.
Speaker 5: In case you missed that detail, I'm seeing the.
Speaker 4: Strongest relationship here now. I love Andrew and Alex and
Speaker 4: they're strong, and Bailey they're strong. And Keith and I,
Speaker 4: by the way, are announcing our engagement here tonight.
Speaker 7: Yeah, a strong relationship.
Speaker 8: What make out all.
Speaker 6: The friends kiss?
Speaker 8: Right, Spicy, I do have one.
Speaker 9: You said it wasn't about the money, that it's about love,
Speaker 9: but you did go ahead and vote off.
Speaker 10: Me.
Speaker 5: Sorry, I'm just saying, English Major, I think you're wrong.
Speaker 9: On that one too.
Speaker 8: I am not.
Speaker 4: It is a direct object, it is not a subject. Right,
Speaker 4: we can discuss that later. I'm right, trust me, sum
Speaker 4: college graduate.
Speaker 5: I am right.
Speaker 8: Okay.
Speaker 5: I voted honestly.
Speaker 4: I voted you guys for.
Speaker 5: And I will tell you not to stay on the show.
Speaker 5: I will tell you why I voted you off. We
Speaker 5: voted you off.
Speaker 8: I voted you.
Speaker 4: Because we looked around, and we looked to see who
Speaker 4: had the strongest relationships, and and Parisa particularly was very
Speaker 4: unhappy and and so stressed about your relationship. And what
Speaker 4: I said to Parisa was, you two need to go
Speaker 4: home and figure out whether this is something that can work,
Speaker 4: because this is causing you stress and you're not happy.
Speaker 4: And you know what Parsa said to me.
Speaker 11: You're right, Yes, we had this conversation.
Speaker 5: We had this conversation. So I stand by my decision.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you knew I was ready to go.
Speaker 12: I don't know how many couples came up to me.
Speaker 12: You know, voting is getting really happy. They go, we've
Speaker 12: got the strongest relationship here. You told me this. You
Speaker 12: told me this. I don't I didn't talk to Jeremy.
Speaker 12: I give you a hard time, but you know, we
Speaker 12: didn't bond until the very end, very very end, and
Speaker 12: I voted you off then too. But it was tough voting,
Speaker 12: you know, when you talk about again, I like Bachter
Speaker 12: in Paradise, and I think it's about love. And I
Speaker 12: even in the stabbing one, I put a stab, I
Speaker 12: put a dagger in my own back saying you didn't
Speaker 12: deserve to be here and we didn't deserve to be here.
Speaker 12: But when it comes to voting, I had to vote
Speaker 12: off somebody and I wasn't and I wasn't ready to go.
Speaker 12: I wanted to hopefully help the people that had strong
Speaker 12: relationships continue on.
Speaker 8: That was your goal.
Speaker 13: But you guys did vote for platonic couples to stay
Speaker 13: over romantic couples that were involved.
Speaker 6: And that's the bone I'm trying to pay.
Speaker 14: This is a fair question. You guys weren't in a relationship.
Speaker 14: You were in friendship and you were still able. You
Speaker 14: can say that you were wanting love to win, but
Speaker 14: then voting differently, and I think that's a fair question.
Speaker 12: That's a fair question. The one. It's what Alicia just said.
Speaker 12: I did vote people out in kept Jonathan and Leigh instead,
Speaker 12: but probably if I look back on it, I would
Speaker 12: do things differently, maybe, but.
Speaker 15: From I did it.
Speaker 12: I did it in the moment and when I listened
Speaker 12: to everybody here, even the arguments that we've had. I
Speaker 12: just want you guys to know you're twenty and thirty
Speaker 12: years old and you're learning life still. I mean, I'm
Speaker 12: still learning at sixty three years old. I still learn
Speaker 12: things every single I I've learned stuff from all of
Speaker 12: you on this show. And you'll always grow and you
Speaker 12: will always learn about the individuals around you and your
Speaker 12: friendships and everything. And so I'm still learning about myself
Speaker 12: at times.
Speaker 14: Okay, Okay, we get it.
Speaker 1: We wanted to be the Golden bachelorsourcette.
Speaker 6: Sure, Okay.
Speaker 11: I really just from reflecting on my conversations with Kathy,
Speaker 11: I really think with how she voted with voting us off,
Speaker 11: I think it honestly came from a really good place,
Speaker 11: because I mean, I was very vocal about our relationship
Speaker 11: and I would go to her all the time and
Speaker 11: I just kept saying, like, I'm miserable being in this environment,
Speaker 11: and I love the challenges because I thought it really
Speaker 11: helped me get to know Brian Moore, and it really
Speaker 11: helped shed a lot of layers. However, the environment everything
Speaker 11: shifted when it became a game show, and it was
Speaker 11: I was spiraling every day, I mean.
Speaker 4: And I didn't want you to suffer that pain anymore.
Speaker 4: I'm a mom and I care her, And she was
Speaker 4: so unhappy, and I wanted her to go home and
Speaker 4: for Brian and pretyces see if they could make it
Speaker 4: work outside of this, and because it was hurting me
Speaker 4: to see her so unhappy, and I.
Speaker 11: Was vocal about saying like, oh, you know what might make.
Speaker 14: Her happy two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 10: You would think I was voting that money.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I told her, I signed up for the old
Speaker 11: paradise of you know.
Speaker 5: With me, so I sent her.
Speaker 16: I will say, though, like we want to put this
Speaker 16: like strongest couple, you know, title on everybody, But I
Speaker 16: always saw us all be like very individual couples, even
Speaker 16: the platonic ones. It's hard to like put a voting
Speaker 16: criteria based on what you determine us strong, whether it's
Speaker 16: time compatibility or whatever.
Speaker 17: You think.
Speaker 16: It's all subjective, right, So I always said that the
Speaker 16: love that was grown between the couples were all just
Speaker 16: like individualized love. And I think really that it's strong
Speaker 16: in its own way. I don't think it's fair to
Speaker 16: say that one couple is stronger than another.
Speaker 18: And relationships develop at different stages and different levels. I
Speaker 18: really learned that through Andrew and Alex right, Like they
Speaker 18: came in later and it was new love, but it
Speaker 18: was real love, and it was.
Speaker 10: Like really beautiful to see.
Speaker 18: But you're so locked in and you're so focused on it.
Speaker 18: But you know, some people committed early, some other people
Speaker 18: had to feel it out, like where our worlds are
Speaker 18: so so different and our needs are so so different,
Speaker 18: so you know, it's like I think a lot of
Speaker 18: times it's like did you want to? I think also too,
Speaker 18: like some of us might have been envious of what
Speaker 18: other people had, not like in a way of like
Speaker 18: we're obsessing about it, but we all want those things right,
Speaker 18: So if there's a hierarchy, it could have been placed
Speaker 18: by that. But I think like everyone has relationships that
Speaker 18: develop at different stages, and no one can say what's
Speaker 18: stronger what, because it's not about like how you start,
Speaker 18: it's how you finish. And at the end of the day,
Speaker 18: if you're happy and you find your person, nothing else matters.
Speaker 14: Well, listen, it's all relative.
Speaker 1: And also, no one in Batrination has done a show
Speaker 1: like this, so the rules of of like, well, who's
Speaker 1: in the strongest relationship? That no one, There was no
Speaker 1: precedent for that. So I think that for all the
Speaker 1: viewers out there, there needs to be a little bit
Speaker 1: of grace.
Speaker 14: But I'd like to go back to the Parliament of.
Speaker 3: Paradise because I think this was a name you can't
Speaker 3: like your own.
Speaker 1: You can't give yourself your own nickname, you know, the
Speaker 1: Parliament of Paradise.
Speaker 2: Well, the funny thing was like we were spit on
Speaker 2: that idea and there's probably gonna cup.
Speaker 3: Like in the interview, we're like, what should we call it?
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I don't know, like Jerry appears, I
Speaker 2: don't know, Parliament of Paradise, and it stuck and here
Speaker 2: we are now okay.
Speaker 1: I have a fan question for Alicia. How did it
Speaker 1: feel to walk in and your friends were talking about
Speaker 1: sending you in Shaun home?
Speaker 13: It was like that a knife in my gut. That's
Speaker 13: truly the closest comparison.
Speaker 10: I'd imagine.
Speaker 17: It felt like.
Speaker 13: I was caught off guard at first, and I would
Speaker 13: say my first thoughts were I must be misinterpreting this,
Speaker 13: and then Alex, you were really forthcoming with, like, you know,
Speaker 13: let's address the elephant in the room. We were having
Speaker 13: this conversation, and I feel like we squashed.
Speaker 10: It between the women.
Speaker 13: We were mature enough to be able to come together
Speaker 13: as not only just friends, but as individuals and grown
Speaker 13: women and look at each other in the eyes and say,
Speaker 13: you know how we're feeling. And to this day, I
Speaker 13: believe Bailey and I believe Alex that they did have
Speaker 13: my back and they were good friends.
Speaker 10: And I think it's a very very.
Speaker 13: Difficult position to be in, so I think everybody does
Speaker 13: deserve a little bit of grace. However, I think, you know,
Speaker 13: going back to the strongest couples, Sean, obviously we were
Speaker 13: not the strongest couple.
Speaker 10: I think we can all agree on that.
Speaker 13: However, we were a real couple and there was a
Speaker 13: real romance there. So I do feel jaded for anybody
Speaker 13: who did decide to vote us off before platonic couples,
Speaker 13: and that I'll stand by.
Speaker 14: One thing that I.
Speaker 1: Think a lot of the viewers were wondering is how
Speaker 1: align were you guys with the plan that Sean had
Speaker 1: laid out for the Parliament to paradise because it seems
Speaker 1: like you maybe weren't so.
Speaker 14: Much on board.
Speaker 13: I think so for me, the plan that was always
Speaker 13: discussed was, you key the couples that were there for love.
Speaker 17: We're here for love.
Speaker 13: That's what we all entered into this endeavor on, and
Speaker 13: so for me, that was the way we were going
Speaker 13: to proceed until it got to the inevitable point that
Speaker 13: we were voting for our friends. And then at that point, honestly,
Speaker 13: for me, I think it was cross that bridge when
Speaker 13: you get there. Sean and I multiply multiple times voted
Speaker 13: very differently. There's times that he voted for Brian and
Speaker 13: Priesa to go, and that's my girlfriend and her guy,
Speaker 13: So I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 10: And I think that's really what a strong.
Speaker 13: Couple is is you can respect each other's differences and
Speaker 13: stand by them. I had never felt pressured to vote
Speaker 13: the way that he did, and I don't think I
Speaker 13: placed that same kind of pressure on him, And I think, yeah,
Speaker 13: we were both on the same page of keeping everybody
Speaker 13: who's there in a relationship up until the point that
Speaker 13: you are going to have to send people home.
Speaker 1: You guys had a pretty crazy slash iconic exit of Paradise.
Speaker 1: Anything that you would have changed or done differently, Noah.
Speaker 10: But also, like you know, that's why I love Sean.
Speaker 13: He's got he speaks his mind, he speaks his truth,
Speaker 13: and I think that we both that resonates with one another.
Speaker 13: So at the same time, hindsight, yeah, twenty twenty, we'd
Speaker 13: all probably do something a little bit differently, but I
Speaker 13: don't regret it. I think I've seen personalities come out
Speaker 13: from the show. I've learned everything I need to know
Speaker 13: about these people, and I think I'm moving on with
Speaker 13: some friendships that will continue and some that are probably
Speaker 13: going to fizzle out.
Speaker 10: And that's just the reality of life. Not everyone's going to, you.
Speaker 13: Know, be each other's best friends, and that's okay. I
Speaker 13: think we've got to stop projecting hate on one another
Speaker 13: for just having differences, because I think we've all received
Speaker 13: that and there's truly no one who's a bad person
Speaker 13: on this cast, who has mal intentions.
Speaker 10: I think it's just differences of opinions.
Speaker 1: That's a perfect opportunity to get in to my next question,
Speaker 1: which is a fan question.
Speaker 14: Who specifically were.
Speaker 1: You talking about during your dramatic exit speech from Paradise.
Speaker 13: Bailey and Alex specifically, I at that point I thought
Speaker 13: that they'd both voted me off because I thought they
Speaker 13: both voted the same way their partners, which at that point,
Speaker 13: you know, everyone was kind of saying, we're voting off Sean,
Speaker 13: but we weren't.
Speaker 10: We're voting on the women.
Speaker 13: So that did mean that you were putting my holding
Speaker 13: up my name and putting me, you know, to be
Speaker 13: going home. So at that point I felt like, wow,
Speaker 13: I can't trust anyone. The guy who I'm here a
Speaker 13: wish is going behind my back and like propaganda, having
Speaker 13: these campaigns that he's telling me he's not gonna do.
Speaker 13: And at the same time, the two girls who I
Speaker 13: felt closest to were also I walked into a room
Speaker 13: and for the first time I heard that I was
Speaker 13: going home that night. So specifically that night, I was
Speaker 13: talking about Bailey and Alex and I wanted to see
Speaker 13: how the rest of the season played out and see
Speaker 13: how everybody voted.
Speaker 10: And we've spoken since.
Speaker 19: And I think it's like what you said you mentioned
Speaker 19: like I think in a relationship it's you can accept
Speaker 19: each other's differences and many times I would have to
Speaker 19: ever ever, and a lot of it was like I
Speaker 19: can't vote my girlfriend's off. So he would be like,
Speaker 19: you know, we're gonna go, I'm gonna go with this,
Speaker 19: and I just couldn't do it. So and we've talked,
Speaker 19: yeah obviously, but so yeah, of course it was like
Speaker 19: a shock to me because I thought we had you know,
Speaker 19: you could have trusted me. But I also understand that
Speaker 19: if you walk in a room and you hear us
Speaker 19: talk about.
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Speaker 14: We'll see you there. It seems like you want to
Speaker 14: say something.
Speaker 17: Kat Oh.
Speaker 16: I mean, well, Alicia, you feel the most comfortable speaking
Speaker 16: about someone else's experience, So why don't you go ahead.
Speaker 10: And take your away? Would you want me to speak
Speaker 10: on sure.
Speaker 16: I guess anything that you feel comfortable speaking on, since
Speaker 16: you've already.
Speaker 10: Had asked me a question, I'll answer.
Speaker 17: I just thought that, and it was.
Speaker 16: Like kind of hypocritical for you to speak on like
Speaker 16: speaking negatively or projection or anything, when you took it
Speaker 16: upon yourself to speak so publicly about someone else's situation
Speaker 16: without having a conversation.
Speaker 17: With me at all.
Speaker 10: We did have conversations, Kat.
Speaker 16: I don't think any question they're actually no. I know
Speaker 16: for a fact there was no questions. There was no
Speaker 16: direct outreach nothing, So.
Speaker 10: I will say our first interaction wasn't please.
Speaker 16: I was not done. There was no outreach post filming.
Speaker 16: During filming, I guess when things were found or discussed, right,
Speaker 16: But even post filming, it just felt like I was
Speaker 16: extremely hurt. So I'm sorry if I'm coming out like
Speaker 16: I'm having side conversations.
Speaker 17: It's just like taking me aback by like.
Speaker 16: Things like that being said, when you felt so comfortable
Speaker 16: speaking about a situation, not only a situation, but my character,
Speaker 16: someone else's situation without having a conversation with me first,
Speaker 16: with or at least like for me feeling like you
Speaker 16: got took the time to get to know me, and
Speaker 16: so I was just really disappointed. And it really took
Speaker 16: me by surprise to see the things that were said
Speaker 16: in an interview to say any of that. And you're
Speaker 16: allowed to feel the way you feel. I just wish
Speaker 16: that a conversation has had between me prior.
Speaker 10: I hear you, and I think your feelings are so valid.
Speaker 13: I will say my first interaction with you cat night one,
Speaker 13: coming in, you asked me, I don't know if you
Speaker 13: remember this, to take a picture of the group of women.
Speaker 13: And you turned to me and you passed me the
Speaker 13: camera and you asked me to take a picture of everyone.
Speaker 10: That's not a girl's girl. That's not a nice thing
Speaker 10: to do. You then proceeded to set up the rose ceremony. Jess,
Speaker 10: you were also involved in this, and you're sitting there going,
Speaker 10: my man went touch you with the ten foot pole.
Speaker 10: This is my first night in Like, that's just.
Speaker 16: Wait what when you were talking about you right behind me,
Speaker 16: we were not talking.
Speaker 13: Okay, you don't think that that would make somebody who's
Speaker 13: just come into paradise though, Like ten date to the.
Speaker 10: Last person in a little bit you think. Yeah, you
Speaker 10: guys were.
Speaker 13: Never because you guys were never warm. You never came
Speaker 13: into Paris or me and Priessa's room. We were never
Speaker 13: included in any of the girls.
Speaker 16: Get ready with you guys, Like, I'm sorry, should we
Speaker 16: talk about that?
Speaker 10: Please?
Speaker 7: Wait?
Speaker 16: Wait, I'm sorry that that was your experience, Like I
Speaker 16: de never meant to like make you feel excluded at all,
Speaker 16: And if I did, I do that by accident a lot,
Speaker 16: Like I'm in my own world and so that was
Speaker 16: never my intention was to ever make you feel excluded.
Speaker 16: So I can see why it made you feel that way.
Speaker 16: But also I was trying to be your friend, like
Speaker 16: the night of the parlor, like him crashing out, like
Speaker 16: you were emotional and I came.
Speaker 17: Up to you to check on you.
Speaker 13: Yeah, And I think that's where like the biggest problem
Speaker 13: for me, Like that was the first time you've reached
Speaker 13: out to me.
Speaker 10: It was the night that I'm.
Speaker 13: Going it just felt very artificial, and to be completely honest,
Speaker 13: like I had ten days of getting to know Sean,
Speaker 13: and like everybody's echoed, we have really placed the emphasis
Speaker 13: on spending time with our person and getting to know them.
Speaker 13: I went to bed every single night in Sean's bed,
Speaker 13: hearing how good of a person you are, how nice
Speaker 13: and sincere you are, that you were misunderstood, that I
Speaker 13: have it wrong, that you you don't mean to exclude me,
Speaker 13: that you were really mean well, and that I have
Speaker 13: to just give you another shot. That is the conversations
Speaker 13: that were having everything like truly a lot of nights.
Speaker 16: Oh yeah, you walked in and already hated me, So.
Speaker 10: Why would I already hate you?
Speaker 16: Haven't before I didn't know who you were exactly, and
Speaker 16: you still don't. But you still feel very comfortable speaking
Speaker 16: about me and who I am in my past, having
Speaker 16: any conversation. You haven't seen anything. You haven't even tried
Speaker 16: to see anything.
Speaker 10: So how would you feel?
Speaker 13: Let me ask you this, if a polygraph test was
Speaker 13: to be administered, how would you feel? Take? Yeah, take
Speaker 13: a girl tomorrow morning, ten am, because I have an
Speaker 13: appointment with the best FBI agent in the state of Calendar.
Speaker 16: You're why does it bother you so much?
Speaker 10: It doesn't.
Speaker 17: It clearly does. Like I have affected you.
Speaker 13: I've never experience and I've done nothing to come at you, Han,
Speaker 13: But when you're.
Speaker 10: Telling me that I'm stand for myself you're not a
Speaker 10: nice person. We'll help people know that. The way you
Speaker 10: spoke to the cast, the way you spoke to production,
Speaker 10: the way you spoke to the maids and the bartenders.
Speaker 16: Anybody was so since the cast, you want to speak
Speaker 16: for the cast now to speak of, I will say,
Speaker 16: and you want to speak for everybody else, so you
Speaker 16: let them speak for themselves for once. I'm sorry that
Speaker 16: that is the experience that you had. I I'm not
Speaker 16: going to just credit your opinion. You can feel however
Speaker 16: you feel about me. I will say, I don't feel
Speaker 16: that about myself to the level that you've expressed, And
Speaker 16: I can actually say for a fact that people that
Speaker 16: are close to me and know who I am would
Speaker 16: not even say those things. So if you think that
Speaker 16: I'm rude and whatever like, I actually don't care. But
Speaker 16: for you to take it to the level that you
Speaker 16: did and put such an emphasis on my character, I
Speaker 16: have a profession.
Speaker 17: I'm not done.
Speaker 16: I have a profession, I have a career, I have
Speaker 16: a family. You didn't put any of that into any
Speaker 16: the truth.
Speaker 17: No, that's the best.
Speaker 10: Everyone's allowed to have an opinion.
Speaker 16: You're allowed to have an opinion, but you are also
Speaker 16: so wrong about so many things, and it's crazy to
Speaker 16: have an opinion about something without having a conversation with
Speaker 16: that person or at least fact checking yourself. And I'm
Speaker 16: not going to sit here and defend myself at all.
Speaker 16: All I had to say was that it hurt my feelings.
Speaker 16: You be who you want to be, You do what
Speaker 16: you want to do. Sign up as many polygraphs as
Speaker 16: you need to do for anyone to make yourself feel better.
Speaker 17: But I'm done with this.
Speaker 13: Good.
Speaker 11: Well, no, I see what Alicia is saying, though it's like, yes,
Speaker 11: this has come up many times where us girls will
Speaker 11: talk about something like I would go to Alicia, I
Speaker 11: would go to Bailey or Alex and I would say
Speaker 11: something I'm personally experiencing and I'm upset. And that's the
Speaker 11: first thing that these girls would say to me. Why
Speaker 11: don't you confront this person? Why don't you talk about it,
Speaker 11: have this conversation? And I, kay, I don't know. I
Speaker 11: can't speak on your behalf. But for me, it's more
Speaker 11: of like a conversation isn't welcomed. It's, at the end
Speaker 11: of the day, like the environment that we are in
Speaker 11: and how we are made to feel. It's like there's
Speaker 11: no light at the end of the tunnel. Like if
Speaker 11: I were to go and talk about this how I'm feeling,
Speaker 11: I would be putting a larger bulls eye on my back.
Speaker 11: At the end of the day, it's still a competition
Speaker 11: and I would be turned into an aggressor. Now I'm
Speaker 11: and I don't want that, Like I'm feeling a certain way,
Speaker 11: like I'm able for me, I'm just gonna sweep how
Speaker 11: I'm feeling under the rug and move on.
Speaker 10: It's like whatever.
Speaker 11: But then I think about it, and like when we
Speaker 11: would talk about how we felt, it's like, why are
Speaker 11: we shrinking ourselves to keep the peace? And if we
Speaker 11: are feeling a certain way, like why don't we, you know,
Speaker 11: speak up and talk about it. I mean this was
Speaker 11: after the fact, reflecting, But it's like you're in an
Speaker 11: environment where like it's you create a problem when you
Speaker 11: go to someone and talk about how you feel when
Speaker 11: you are looking for a resolution at the end of
Speaker 11: the conversation, it's like this is I don't want to
Speaker 11: I'm not trying to attack anybody. I want to like
Speaker 11: work through something. But it was just unfortunate, Like that's
Speaker 11: just how the environment was where we didn't feel comfortable
Speaker 11: to talk about it.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, I will say there was one point
Speaker 13: on Paradise that I was assigned roommates to be with
Speaker 13: Kat and you kind of threw an entire fit that
Speaker 13: you're not having roommate. You're the only person who was
Speaker 13: assigned because you didn't want a roommate with me.
Speaker 16: Wait what No, I walked up to my room and
Speaker 16: all of a sudden her name.
Speaker 17: That's like an actual lie, So.
Speaker 10: His roommate with me? Because how that is?
Speaker 16: You should be the one to take the polygraph, but
Speaker 16: it is a crazy girl. I walked up a reason,
Speaker 16: I said, a reason, and that she never moved in
Speaker 16: because she was with you.
Speaker 10: I'm just saying that was a chance for us to
Speaker 10: be able to connect.
Speaker 16: I tried, and I'm sorry if it didn't connect in
Speaker 16: the way you wanted to.
Speaker 17: And I'm sorry if I ever made you feel like
Speaker 17: a bully.
Speaker 16: Like I realized that you said that DM. I thought
Speaker 16: we were friends. Like when you came to me about Brian,
Speaker 16: I thought I really saw myself and you asked Dale.
Speaker 16: I stood up as many times, even after the show.
Speaker 16: I am a very passionate person. I care, really deeply,
Speaker 16: and I know that sometimes that can be taken out
Speaker 16: of context, and I've really tried to be a little
Speaker 16: bit more outside of myself and see that how everybody
Speaker 16: has different sensitivity levels, because honestly, a lot of things
Speaker 16: un bothered me, and I expect everybody else to feel
Speaker 16: the same, but I realized that's not the case. So
Speaker 16: if I ever made you feel like it was in
Speaker 16: a safe environment, you too, I'm sorry. That's never my intention. Ever,
Speaker 16: It's coming from a place of love. So when I
Speaker 16: hear these things that are being said, I did not
Speaker 16: know where that was coming from. I would have loved
Speaker 16: to have had a conversation if I'd made it unsafe
Speaker 16: for you. Again, that was I'm sorry. I just care
Speaker 16: really hard and sometimes I don't know how to express it.
Speaker 13: Thank you for apologizing, and I'll say I apologize as
Speaker 13: well if anything came across from my end that felt
Speaker 13: combative or like it was an attack to you, because
Speaker 13: it really was. And I felt like I was speaking
Speaker 13: my truth and I was kind of getting catching strays
Speaker 13: for doing so.
Speaker 10: And that was just my experience.
Speaker 13: But I definitely believe in turning the cheek and like
Speaker 13: giving everybody a second chance.
Speaker 10: So I'd love to squash this and move forward with you, Kat,
Speaker 10: I really would.
Speaker 17: And I'll just say, also, you have a week clear,
Speaker 17: like I hear you al Fields too, just like I did.
Speaker 17: Did I hurt your guys feelings?
Speaker 8: Say it?
Speaker 19: And I've told you this before, Kat, and I've said
Speaker 19: it throughout the season. I'm very sensitive and you I've
Speaker 19: told you this.
Speaker 17: You're so funny.
Speaker 19: It's like you have such good intention, but you're delivery.
Speaker 19: You're so sassy and and like the way you say things.
Speaker 19: Sometimes if someone doesn't know your heart, I think they
Speaker 19: can misinterpret it. But once you get to know you,
Speaker 19: you are a very passionate person. And I will say,
Speaker 19: like I don't like I wouldn't have gone through all
Speaker 19: the season with all the hate that I got through,
Speaker 19: you know, because of you. So I want to say
Speaker 19: thank you so much for that.
Speaker 10: And I can't speak on Alicia. You know different dynamics.
Speaker 19: I get it, but I think sometimes it's just a
Speaker 19: delivery and if you just need to get and you
Speaker 19: know that we've talked about it.
Speaker 17: But you do have a good hard life.
Speaker 16: So I just wanted to I just yeah, it was
Speaker 16: just a lot of things were said that did affect
Speaker 16: my personal life, and yeah, I just wish that more
Speaker 16: time was spent to understand who I was before things
Speaker 16: were said. Was so much intent, like fact.
Speaker 1: Listen, we can't talk about season ten about your in
Speaker 1: Paradise without talking about the biggest thing, the biggest shakeup
Speaker 1: that happened this season, which was the jury appears everyone returning, Brian,
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you what was your thought and
Speaker 1: how were you feeling when you heard that you were
Speaker 1: coming back to the beach.
Speaker 9: I was happy to be back, and I mean just
Speaker 9: the way things went on again with I would interpret
Speaker 9: as the Bailey situation like really put a target on myself.
Speaker 9: I don't really think it was the dynamic between Paris
Speaker 9: and I, and I was happy to come back and
Speaker 9: make a decision on who I thought should leave with
Speaker 9: the money and who I thought was the strongest couple.
Speaker 9: Not really with like a revenge or spiteful standpoint, but
Speaker 9: I thought it was a good touch.
Speaker 1: Fan question for Alicia, you and Sean came back dropped
Speaker 1: a cat bomb. You mentioned having no regrets. Do you
Speaker 1: still feel that way?
Speaker 13: Absolutely? I will never regret being honest. I'll never regretting myself,
Speaker 13: and that's exactly what I.
Speaker 10: Did, and if I went back, I would do it again.
Speaker 13: Now we've had this conversation, Kat, I would say I
Speaker 13: would have probably potentially had it with you. I'll be
Speaker 13: completely honest. Our biggest concern was, like we thought that
Speaker 13: because you had lied about certain things, like the way, that.
Speaker 10: It was going to be miss construed.
Speaker 17: What did I lie about?
Speaker 10: I don't think it helps like go back, No, I would.
Speaker 17: Love to know what you think I learned about.
Speaker 10: Okay, you were in a relationship.
Speaker 17: I was in a relationship. Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 10: Yes, based on what based on your ex boyfriend who
Speaker 10: confirmed it?
Speaker 20: Where So Kat's ex was actually my friend before I
Speaker 20: ever met Kat? And listen, exes can be complicated. I'm
Speaker 20: sure everyone here has talked to an ex after you've
Speaker 20: ripken up. Were they in a relationship? Absolutely not. I
Speaker 20: had no loyalty to this girl. I actually thought she
Speaker 20: didn't like me, to be honest, literally, I thought she
Speaker 20: didn't even like me when I first met her, which
Speaker 20: I only met her once before we met on Paradise,
Speaker 20: and I had known her ex for almost a year
Speaker 20: at that point, and they were not in a relationship.
Speaker 16: They were not in a relationship, and I know that
Speaker 16: he also said that I no, no, I never said
Speaker 16: that you guys are a relationships with that misconstrued.
Speaker 2: It was more so the plan to get back together
Speaker 2: after Paradise. That that was the way I said it,
Speaker 2: And that's the way that.
Speaker 14: And that's what happened.
Speaker 3: What this X said to you, yes confirmed.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm sure everyone was, like I was still
Speaker 6: going on dates leading up to the show, So I
Speaker 6: don't think that anyone was like in a relationship thing
Speaker 6: going on. I think once you it's just dating in
Speaker 6: this world. I feel like when you go to Paradise,
Speaker 6: it doesn't mean you stop dating. You're still dating multiple
Speaker 6: people here like you go on dates, you take people
Speaker 6: on dates. That's what I'm saying. I'm listening.
Speaker 2: I'm by I'm not the right to reasons place, all right,
Speaker 2: Like everyone has their own things going on. I think
Speaker 2: where I actually like draw the line because I asked
Speaker 2: to be a line drawn, is like the plan, allegedly, the
Speaker 2: plan to go on Paradise and then get back together
Speaker 2: afterwards on top of like that type of stuff.
Speaker 16: So did say we were in a relationship or did
Speaker 16: you say.
Speaker 3: That No, he's that was the plan.
Speaker 17: So what she said, actually.
Speaker 16: Either way, it was an act in contact.
Speaker 6: Like go through she found someone on paradise. What happened.
Speaker 2: That's well, that's what I mean, Like, if you're planning
Speaker 2: to do that with your ax, then you find someone better.
Speaker 6: President doesn't mean I'm going to be the president.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, that's just like, listen, regardless, I'm like, at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, I I think that's where
Speaker 2: you draw a line, like sneaking something in and texting
Speaker 2: them while we're about to start filming.
Speaker 3: That's a little okay outside of it, let's address that.
Speaker 17: So when did I sneak something in?
Speaker 16: And if and if and if we think that this
Speaker 16: show who took I don't know, weeks on end to
Speaker 16: show one thing over and over again, that they wouldn't
Speaker 16: take that time to show me playing on the iPad
Speaker 16: or laptop. Sorry sorry, I'm saying, like, you know, they
Speaker 16: weren't trying to hide anything.
Speaker 17: So it's like, where was that.
Speaker 16: That's not a fair assumption to make that I was
Speaker 16: out here texting this man consistently and I know for
Speaker 16: a fact that that's not what he said. And I
Speaker 16: know for a fact that is, he did not say
Speaker 16: that we are in a relationship.
Speaker 10: I know.
Speaker 16: I don't know what else was said as far as
Speaker 16: like getting back together. I know he confirmed that we
Speaker 16: were possibly seeing each other before, because yes, I was
Speaker 16: dating before Paradise.
Speaker 17: I'm allowed to do that.
Speaker 16: I'm going on a dating show, right, But to say
Speaker 16: that I had a relationship or that I was consistently
Speaker 16: talking to somebody is not true period.
Speaker 3: I would disagree. I mean, it depends on how you
Speaker 3: contact it.
Speaker 20: I'm just like, there's.
Speaker 10: Like a big thing of the day.
Speaker 17: It's I he wouldn't give in to you this morning.
Speaker 18: Hold on, can I just dead something?
Speaker 3: Because we had this.
Speaker 18: Whole moment at the end, Like before Paradise, I didn't
Speaker 18: know anyone coming into this. Also, like I'm pretty I
Speaker 18: feel like I can read people pretty well. What we
Speaker 18: went through in Paradise was real and it happened, so
Speaker 18: like all this other stuff that people are talking about
Speaker 18: happened before a I don't know whoever you know exes
Speaker 18: or past relationsships from Jump. I didn't care, like because
Speaker 18: I'm focused on what we went through, the time that
Speaker 18: we had, and also at the end of the day,
Speaker 18: if that is the biggest thing in the biggest hurdle
Speaker 18: that you have to overcome in a relationship. Damn, I
Speaker 18: am envious of you because life is hard. There's real
Speaker 18: ship that people have to go through, and like this
Speaker 18: is such a minor thing in the grand scheme of things.
Speaker 10: So but when there's five hundred thousand dollars on the
Speaker 10: line and we're about.
Speaker 3: To think that, I know, but we were, like, we haven't.
Speaker 17: I know you were.
Speaker 13: That's the only reason that we really wanted to say,
Speaker 13: because we didn't want people who had bad intentions to.
Speaker 18: Wear Like I'm not worried about five hundred thousand dollars,
Speaker 18: but I think it's I.
Speaker 3: Do think it's in the past.
Speaker 17: I think I don't realize I was.
Speaker 18: I was protecting my partner. But also, at the end
Speaker 18: of the day, whatever you y'all said in that moment,
Speaker 18: it wasn't going to shake what we had or what
Speaker 18: we built at that moment, right And let me let
Speaker 18: me be very very clear. At the same time too,
Speaker 18: I don't have hate for either of y'all. Like whatever
Speaker 18: the situation, I know Sean was heard, I know that
Speaker 18: there is things that you know we like, But at
Speaker 18: the end of the day, my number one priority was
Speaker 18: cat and it you know, while we went through our
Speaker 18: stuff throughout the season, it was that was the priority,
Speaker 18: and we ended that way, so nothing was gonna shake that.
Speaker 10: And I commend you on the way you guys have
Speaker 10: stuck together. I think it's actually and this.
Speaker 18: Is like, it's so minor in the grand scheme of things.
Speaker 18: And I know y'all are getting a lot of smoke
Speaker 18: and stuff right now, Like, Okay, everyone makes their decisions,
Speaker 18: but at the end of the day, like our relationship,
Speaker 18: we learned through paradise and we built it far beyond
Speaker 18: and it hasn't even been a sticking point.
Speaker 13: But I think it with this in the same vein,
Speaker 13: we are allowed to speak our truth and we are
Speaker 13: kind of being crucified for doing so.
Speaker 18: And like you like in that, like you do, you
Speaker 18: did nothing wrong for making the decisions and communicating the
Speaker 18: things in the way that you have and like you know,
Speaker 18: there might be some frustrations at times, but you don't
Speaker 18: have hate from us on our end. Likewise, at the
Speaker 18: end of the day, like we have to live our lives.
Speaker 18: And this is a short glimpse in the grand scheme
Speaker 18: of things. So we'll talk about it right here and now.
Speaker 18: But like our lives are moving forward, like all of us.
Speaker 13: So I'm glad that we have the opportunity to do so,
Speaker 13: because it really was throughout our experience. Was Sean really
Speaker 13: backing you up, Kat and speaking accolades about you, and
Speaker 13: vice versa. I never had anything bad to say about
Speaker 13: Dale from the experiences that we had, so just brought
Speaker 13: me I do from our experiences.
Speaker 18: There's pain. There's experiences, right, and we all have them
Speaker 18: and they might not align with what we think and
Speaker 18: what we want, but that's the human experience and we
Speaker 18: understand that. And like yoh, like all right, thank you.
Speaker 10: For coming to our ted talk.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I think that the purpose of this whole
Speaker 1: thing is for clarity, right, and so this is a
Speaker 1: fan question, and this is just a cat okay fan question. Okay, Cat,
Speaker 1: please clarify. Did you have a boyfriend before for coming
Speaker 1: to Paradise and were you texting him while you were
Speaker 1: in Paradise.
Speaker 17: I did not have a boyfriend coming into Paradise.
Speaker 16: I did leave at the boyfriend and I was not
Speaker 16: texting him during paradise at all.
Speaker 10: Okay, there was.
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Speaker 14: Andrew, but what's that, Jonathan?
Speaker 20: You're here?
Speaker 14: I got him hang out.
Speaker 1: I gotta know, do you still stand by your statement
Speaker 1: that Sean is the greatest villain in Bachelor Nation history.
Speaker 6: I want to clarify this. I don't think it was
Speaker 6: a negative thing that I said.
Speaker 14: There's I love good Villa.
Speaker 6: I want to make sure you know that villains are
Speaker 6: some of my favorite things in movies, like Thanos, I
Speaker 6: love I love the Joker. I'm just saying I was.
Speaker 6: I was impressed. You go through Bachelor and you see
Speaker 6: like I had like villains on my season, but what
Speaker 6: I saw, I was like, oh, this is what people
Speaker 6: talk about villains are, and I was just like that
Speaker 6: was that was what I saw. I was it was
Speaker 6: just like the attention you you you had everyone lined up.
Speaker 6: I was, I love your up to where you were.
Speaker 6: It was just like, this is very villain and I wanted.
Speaker 14: And you didn't.
Speaker 6: You didn't start.
Speaker 16: I will say also, like in relation to our friendship, right,
Speaker 16: I know that perception is everything, and I'm sorry if
Speaker 16: you ever felt like there was like loyalty that was
Speaker 16: there that maybe like I wasn't expressing or it wasn't reciprocated,
Speaker 16: reciprocated thet there wasn't as much like I'm sorry guys anyways.
Speaker 16: So that is like where I was always coming from.
Speaker 16: I never said we weren't friends. I did say, like
Speaker 16: when I was asked are we good friends? Like, aren't
Speaker 16: you guys good friends? I was like, well, I want
Speaker 16: to say good friends because in that moment, we really
Speaker 16: hadn't like talked every day. We did talk leading up
Speaker 16: to Paradise, but the way that things were moving during
Speaker 16: the day, I was really confused by your actions because
Speaker 16: that wasn't the sean that I like, aligned with or knew,
Speaker 16: so that's where I was coming from. I knew that
Speaker 16: emotions are really heightened the moment, which is exactly why
Speaker 16: I called you later, like a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 16: and we talked through a lot of our I guess
Speaker 16: perception of the situation. But when you did what you
Speaker 16: did and how it was done, the emotions did not
Speaker 16: just come from what was said. It was literally it
Speaker 16: brought me back to two years ago in Paradise, when
Speaker 16: things were just coming at me every day and I
Speaker 16: felt so overwhelmed and attacked, and all I cared about
Speaker 16: was his emotions and helping him. I have somebody that
Speaker 16: I don't know, like obviously things were said to my exit.
Speaker 16: I don't know what was said, and I had no
Speaker 16: way to reach him, so it's like I felt like
Speaker 16: my power was completely taken from me. So that is
Speaker 16: where a lot of my emotions came from. I don't
Speaker 16: think that you are like this horrible person. I think
Speaker 16: you felt really hurt, and so I don't have any
Speaker 16: hatred or negative emotions towards too. I do wish things
Speaker 16: were done differently, because I think we deserve that, but
Speaker 16: I hope you know, like I wasn't like I'm not
Speaker 16: friends with Sean. I just didn't agree with your behavior.
Speaker 16: And as a friend, I'll always tell someone that.
Speaker 2: Again, like we don't necessarily get full contacts in the situation,
Speaker 2: Like you hear things like from other people, so then
Speaker 2: you make I guess assumptions what's going on, So like
Speaker 2: to give context people like this was like me kavnichruck
Speaker 2: for two years and like based on Paradise last time,
Speaker 2: and like our relationship in Tampa, like she she her
Speaker 2: name gets brought up a lot, and I've always been
Speaker 2: there to like defend constantly on camera off camera. So
Speaker 2: like the way that I, I guess took it was
Speaker 2: like as soon as the cards came against me, she
Speaker 2: didn't have my back in that situation. I felt so
Speaker 2: betrayed because like you guys don't see obviously, when we're
Speaker 2: not on a camera, you don't see it. But that
Speaker 2: was like two years constantly like always coming to her defense.
Speaker 2: So that's why I kind of reacted the way I
Speaker 2: think she she.
Speaker 18: Spoke highly of you though when Joe came in and
Speaker 18: all those things, like she she truly did sp like
Speaker 18: I feel like you I you know, developed a quick bond, right, Yeah,
Speaker 18: because like she vouched for you and spoke very very
Speaker 18: highly of you. So like the moment that happened on
Speaker 18: film or on camera, Yeah, you know, I wasn't there,
Speaker 18: but I can say that she she did.
Speaker 6: She she really really did.
Speaker 3: No totally.
Speaker 2: I think like if we had, like maybe I had
Speaker 2: another conversation before that went down, we could be like, no, dude,
Speaker 2: I'm like trying to protect you, like I'm not coming
Speaker 2: after you. I don't think the girls are coming after you.
Speaker 2: What I was saying was that in two days, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be all couples, We're gonna have to vote for
Speaker 2: each other, and there's gonna be everyone's gonna be at odds.
Speaker 17: We should just wait the next day when Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: You did say something that like on camera that was
Speaker 1: pretty poignant, said.
Speaker 14: You had receipts.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like, so are there receipts?
Speaker 14: Like do you have a love letter?
Speaker 12: Well?
Speaker 2: I think though the truth is there's reeats. I think
Speaker 2: it's somewhere in between us. I was she texting her
Speaker 2: ex when we got to Azora?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Do I think you were texting when we were at
Speaker 2: the staging hotel in Costa Rica. Yes, so I think
Speaker 2: there's somewhere in the middle. Do I have their seats?
Speaker 12: Uh?
Speaker 3: The guy mentioned his name.
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to be involved in like any of this,
Speaker 2: which obviously I get. So I wasn't really hounding him
Speaker 2: at all that much. I asked for him today, just
Speaker 2: not in like his text messages, like love letters. More
Speaker 2: so just like time stantce like, hey, I'm not lying
Speaker 2: about the iPad thing, whether or not there was a
Speaker 2: planner love letters, but regardless. When we came back in
Speaker 2: it was like you have that you have all the
Speaker 2: time in Paradise leading up to that point. You have
Speaker 2: Cat and Dale justin Spencer, one of them gets a
Speaker 2: chance to win money. I was like, well, I want
Speaker 2: like I felt more confident and then those two love
Speaker 2: stories than the other one. So but I had a
Speaker 2: conversation with this person when we left. When we got eliminated,
Speaker 2: I was giving my phone for like, call my family,
Speaker 2: call my friends, and then called the other guy.
Speaker 14: I couldn't get a camera on him for that.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, come on now.
Speaker 1: Uh, Jeremy, I have a fan question for you. You
Speaker 1: said there were people with you at the final Rose
Speaker 1: ceremony who said they would never vote for you.
Speaker 14: Who do you think betrayed you in the end?
Speaker 21: I mean they are my friends, but I mean Spencer
Speaker 21: and Dale.
Speaker 6: Both said that, So I didn't vote for you for
Speaker 6: the you.
Speaker 21: I'll say, yeah, Like Dale, I get because like we
Speaker 21: were roomates. We're talking about, we wanted to be us
Speaker 21: two in the end, That's the only person I was
Speaker 21: really aligning with. But I do get it from his
Speaker 21: point of view, where when it came, you know and
Speaker 21: push whatever the fucking phrases, push comes to shop, like
Speaker 21: we realized it was going to be one of us
Speaker 21: two going home. So I did get that, Spencer, I
Speaker 21: love you, man. I wish what Spencer said to me
Speaker 21: is that like he didn't want to vote separately from Jess,
Speaker 21: and I was like me and me and Bailey had
Speaker 21: made the decisions to vote together sometimes, and we'd also
Speaker 21: made decisions to vote separately. So listen, I love both
Speaker 21: of you, I really do. If you want to send
Speaker 21: me a check for like a few thousand dollars like that,
Speaker 21: at that point, like me and me and Bailey had
Speaker 21: something so strong that like we were like we weren't
Speaker 21: trying to sway like anyone like Keith and Cathy. We
Speaker 21: were like, we were ready to go home if it
Speaker 21: was our time.
Speaker 6: But that.
Speaker 21: But then when it came time, like with the with
Speaker 21: the with the Jury of Peers, you could respond that
Speaker 21: after when it came to the Jury of Peers, it
Speaker 21: wasn't a personal thing. It's like they both voted me.
Speaker 21: I already knew Spencer and Jess were going to move forward,
Speaker 21: but I wasn't going to vote for them to move forward. Well,
Speaker 21: we were all strong couples, and I also had no
Speaker 21: idea they were planning on getting engaged until after that.
Speaker 22: What I will say is we've talked a lot about
Speaker 22: strength of relationships, strong relationships, not strong relationships. I think
Speaker 22: we were all put unknowingly in an impossible situation of
Speaker 22: judging other people's relationships with little to no context. As
Speaker 22: we've seen now watching the show back ninety percent of
Speaker 22: the things said, I had no idea that anything was said.
Speaker 22: And when it came down to voting for either Jeremy
Speaker 22: or Dale to leave, Jess can attest to how torn
Speaker 22: up I was about that because when I pulled back,
Speaker 22: both Jess and I we had voted separately beforehand. We
Speaker 22: had agreed from here on out, we're going to vote together, and.
Speaker 8: We agreed that.
Speaker 22: We needed to come to a con consensus together because
Speaker 22: from here on out we were voting on couples strength
Speaker 22: of couples right, And for me, the big turning point
Speaker 22: for myself because I was originally expecting Dale to go
Speaker 22: after us. We had a conversation and Dale told me that, hey,
Speaker 22: it's based on strength of relationship. Obviously, both Dale and
Speaker 22: Jeremy were roommates. I was expecting him to vote with
Speaker 22: his roommate. And when he said, you know, we see
Speaker 22: how strong you guys are. We want you to be
Speaker 22: able to stay together, it made me actually pull back
Speaker 22: and look at everything and say, Okay, if I'm truly
Speaker 22: assessing everything as strength of relationship, where am I going
Speaker 22: with it? And at that point, it's like cutting hairs
Speaker 22: and it's so little context given into different relationships. Both
Speaker 22: Jess and Kat were closer, so I heard more from
Speaker 22: Jess about their relationship than I did about both Bailey
Speaker 22: and Jeremy. So it wasn't any slide on Jeremy. And
Speaker 22: I apologize because I did say I would never vote
Speaker 22: for him, and and I apologize for that completely and
Speaker 22: I and that's why I also have absolutely no issue,
Speaker 22: no issue with Jeremy voting the way that he voted.
Speaker 22: I love Bailey, love Jeremy. I'm so happy there together,
Speaker 22: and I'm excited to go Disney World.
Speaker 1: Kathy, it seemed like you wanted to you wanted to
Speaker 1: pipe up a little bit when it came to uh,
Speaker 1: Jeremy and Bailey.
Speaker 7: I think that I know what Kathy's talking about. So basically,
Speaker 7: when the night that we figured out we were going home,
Speaker 7: we really didn't spend time trying to sway our friends. Besides,
Speaker 7: like obviously, you guys had conversations. We had a conversation.
Speaker 7: We were aligned, and I think what was frustrating, I
Speaker 7: think was that Kathy had decided that she wanted to
Speaker 7: pick who she thought needed deserve the most money. And
Speaker 7: I think that was really hurtful for us because just
Speaker 7: because I have a ton of nice things, has that.
Speaker 17: Has something to do?
Speaker 10: Have you ever thought it was like what?
Speaker 8: Just not?
Speaker 15: Yes?
Speaker 7: Well, Kathy, you said that the way that you were
Speaker 7: voting that night was because based on who you believed
Speaker 7: deserved me money the most, which I understand why. Obviously,
Speaker 7: Alexandre went won the challenge. What I mean, so like
Speaker 7: if they were on the Chaling loot. But like I
Speaker 7: think the reason why we had a conversation with with
Speaker 7: both of you was to be clear that I think
Speaker 7: that we can't, none of us can attest to anyone's
Speaker 7: financial goals in the future financial decisions, and I think
Speaker 7: we wanted to make it clear we were really honestly.
Speaker 7: We didn't spend time swaying anyone because at that point,
Speaker 7: like everyone's minds are made up, it's kind of it
Speaker 7: was up to you guys about.
Speaker 5: What was going to happen.
Speaker 4: So first of all, I love all of you guys,
Speaker 4: and I think each and every one of you know
Speaker 4: that Keith and I had spoken and we had talked
Speaker 4: about for us, we were never coming after the money
Speaker 4: because we are in our last chapter of our great
Speaker 4: lives and we were never going to take money from
Speaker 4: young and as I refer to you, never that was
Speaker 4: never going to happen.
Speaker 5: So we talked about it, and we.
Speaker 4: Talk to you guys about you know, what you want
Speaker 4: to use the money for, and for me, you know,
Speaker 4: when you are at your age, what I think about
Speaker 4: is starting a family, paying off school loans, buying a
Speaker 4: first home, all those things I've done, I've lived that life.
Speaker 5: So for me, it was.
Speaker 4: I've said it, how many times those of you who
Speaker 4: are in love are going to leave with each other?
Speaker 5: What a gift?
Speaker 4: How many times did I sat with love to have
Speaker 4: left with the love of my life? Having said that,
Speaker 4: once money comes into it, the money is separate from
Speaker 4: the love. And so those couples who I believed, rightly
Speaker 4: or wrongly could use the money to start to pay
Speaker 4: off loans, to buy a home, to pay off school debt,
Speaker 4: whatever it was. That's how I voted. And when I
Speaker 4: interviewed everyone, Andrew and Alex talked about paying off loans
Speaker 4: and starting a life, and Jason Spencer talked about buying
Speaker 4: a home and building their life together. And honestly, I
Speaker 4: love you guys, and you know that you guys talked
Speaker 4: about traveling together and seeing the world, and that's what.
Speaker 17: You talked about, buying a place together.
Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong.
Speaker 5: Wait, there's nothing wrong.
Speaker 12: Wait.
Speaker 8: Wait.
Speaker 10: Wait, By the way, a lot of people have student loans.
Speaker 5: I know. Believe me, I paid ten years at school.
Speaker 7: And I think I understand fun feels comfortable talking about
Speaker 7: I get it, and that you know and I just
Speaker 7: never said that I.
Speaker 4: Did the best I could. Keith and I did the
Speaker 4: best we could. We are so grateful to have all
Speaker 4: of you in our lives, and we did the best
Speaker 4: we could in the moment.
Speaker 19: But I also just want to say I never tried
Speaker 19: us because we were already safe. I just want to
Speaker 19: make it clear that I was never trying to get
Speaker 19: votes for my student.
Speaker 10: Loans, like it was just something I was like.
Speaker 8: Oh no, wait, I question.
Speaker 14: I have a question for the group. I have a
Speaker 14: question for the group.
Speaker 1: What if anyone choose the money over love?
Speaker 13: Here?
Speaker 21: Bley and I talked about this because we thought we
Speaker 21: were going to, you know, make it a further night,
Speaker 21: and we were like, what if the final challenge is
Speaker 21: like choosing money or love? And I said, listen, I
Speaker 21: just thought about that.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 21: I was like, I will choose the money and take
Speaker 21: the hate. And I know we could just see each
Speaker 21: other the next day.
Speaker 7: I'm so smart, and then we can just date secretly,
Speaker 7: which and now I can buy whatever.
Speaker 14: The money, but then I'll split it with you.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I don't think I feel like we trusted
Speaker 7: each other enough, like that was kind of our plan.
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Speaker 6: I asked if she wanted the full thing when we
Speaker 6: as soon as we got off the show, and she declined.
Speaker 6: She was like, no, that's not what we're doing. Like
Speaker 6: I have my part, you have your part, and obviously
Speaker 6: she's gonna be moving to Chicago. It'll because it's not like,
Speaker 6: you know, just a shared account. We're talking about, do.
Speaker 5: You want to pay up the rest of my school dat?
Speaker 1: Leiah and Jonathan we haven't really gotten to hear a lot,
Speaker 1: just a few. I mean, like, is there is there
Speaker 1: any possibility of a romance between you two?
Speaker 13: No?
Speaker 5: Sorry, can I tell you?
Speaker 6: I thought it was coming. I was like, really, I
Speaker 6: thought it was about to flip because you guys were
Speaker 6: getting so close and you were laughing so much. I
Speaker 6: was like, oh, this shit is about to happen, Like
Speaker 6: he was about to flip and you guys about to
Speaker 6: be in love, and I'm.
Speaker 15: Like, I can't get along so well, look at the compatibility.
Speaker 6: That I feel like that that would have been.
Speaker 10: No. I love and I truly I don't.
Speaker 16: Think I would ever want to jeopardize like the friendship
Speaker 16: that we have.
Speaker 13: I don't know, we just have like such a nice
Speaker 13: friendship going on, and like, yeah, already.
Speaker 1: Jonathan, you talked about kind of not being in the
Speaker 1: right headspace coming into Paradise.
Speaker 14: Can you expand upon that, Like.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think getting asked so far in advance put
Speaker 15: me in a really tough position. You know, there's a
Speaker 15: lot of positivity behind me, and it's an amazing, incredible thing.
Speaker 15: I don't think anybody would deny getting all the love,
Speaker 15: especially after watching shit back and you see all the
Speaker 15: hate that comes, You're like, I would kill for that. Yeah,
Speaker 15: I think anybody would. But with that comes a pressure
Speaker 15: to perform the way people expect, you know. I think
Speaker 15: the first time was like very like good guy. So
Speaker 15: in people's minds, I'm this perfect person, not just a
Speaker 15: good guy who can make mistakes. So I'm going into
Speaker 15: the scenario and I'm like, fuck, I got to do that,
Speaker 15: do right by everybody. I want to do this right.
Speaker 15: And I've been waiting so damn long.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited.
Speaker 15: And then I get there and you know, I try
Speaker 15: with Alex and you know, it's just not right for us.
Speaker 15: Her and I again are great friends. You know, Cat
Speaker 15: and I we talked like a day and it was
Speaker 15: way over stretched. I think we all know that, and
Speaker 15: we ended up being good. And then, yeah, I think
Speaker 15: people just came to the beach that I just didn't
Speaker 15: have a romantic spark with and it was hard.
Speaker 12: You know.
Speaker 15: I cried to stay multiple or to go multiple times,
Speaker 15: and you know, it was just hard. You know, I'm
Speaker 15: watching some of my best friends that I've made from
Speaker 15: the show fall for their person I can attest to this.
Speaker 15: I guess it's hard to watch your friends fall in love,
Speaker 15: especially when you can feel how real it is and
Speaker 15: then you're there and you're like, fuck, I want this
Speaker 15: to work too.
Speaker 10: It was tough.
Speaker 1: Tell me what your type is, because I love to
Speaker 1: know exactly what we did.
Speaker 14: What you need beautiful.
Speaker 1: Women in your way, and I need to know exactly
Speaker 1: what we need to bring a pair of Yes.
Speaker 15: Somebody, somebody actually commented this and I had to take
Speaker 15: a long, hard like thought on it to sum it
Speaker 15: up into one thing, and it's I'm not chasing a look,
Speaker 15: I'm not chasing specific attributes. I'm chasing a feeling, you know,
Speaker 15: I want to like talk to somebody. I want to
Speaker 15: feel better. I want to feel that like excitement to
Speaker 15: like not leave your side.
Speaker 16: So obviously you and I got very close in Paradise,
Speaker 16: and I think what being in this experience coming back
Speaker 16: from people and all these things, Like we met each
Speaker 16: other at a bar like a couple months prior, you
Speaker 16: wouldn't even talk to me.
Speaker 17: I think you were so in your head.
Speaker 16: About like I want to make sure that it's perfect right,
Speaker 16: And when we set these expectations of how things are
Speaker 16: going to go, it it is a disservice because it doesn't.
Speaker 17: Allow you to fully let go.
Speaker 16: And that happened to me the first time in a
Speaker 16: way but a little different. But it just in these environments,
Speaker 16: it is really difficult to even find that feeling because
Speaker 16: there's so much like outside noise, even in your own head.
Speaker 16: And I think that's kind of like what was happening.
Speaker 16: And I kind of clocked that and I was like, Nope,
Speaker 16: already been there, done that, not doing it. But I
Speaker 16: don't think it's it's a negative thing. It's just a
Speaker 16: growing moment. And this is what this ex experience allows.
Speaker 16: We get to watch ourselves back and be like, Okay,
Speaker 16: I'm going to take this into my life now.
Speaker 6: I mean because I I we talked about it multiple
Speaker 6: du literally me like that literally was me that first
Speaker 6: time on Paradise and I was miserable and like women
Speaker 6: just kept coming in and I'm just like going on.
Speaker 6: I'm like I don't want to be here, like I
Speaker 6: have nothing left. Once I like the girl that I
Speaker 6: wanted to talk to, like that was deaded. I was
Speaker 6: just like I was just like I was just like what
Speaker 6: am I doing here? And you know, well a ton
Speaker 6: of times had to pick me up and telling me
Speaker 6: to keep going, and I think that made me become
Speaker 6: a little bit more mature, more everything best shape in
Speaker 6: my life right after that Paradise and then like obviously
Speaker 6: I got another shot and third times a charm, So
Speaker 6: I'm telling you to get back on yeah and do this.
Speaker 15: Also, those conversations were so helpful too, because I was like,
Speaker 15: am I like alone in this and I'm stirring and
Speaker 15: I'm like I wanted this to work for the last
Speaker 15: ten months.
Speaker 6: At the end of the day, you just have to
Speaker 6: just be yourself and whatever happens happens. Like I was
Speaker 6: okay with going home if like I could have pulled.
Speaker 6: I would be okay with being a susie. Like I
Speaker 6: came in there and not like found anyone. I would
Speaker 6: have been so good with just going on. I was
Speaker 6: so I was totally fine with me. But I feel
Speaker 6: like that's the same mentality you gotta go, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean. I feel like you try to create
Speaker 6: this perfect love story. Like man, I was thinking I
Speaker 6: was gonna get proposed. I was like, can I get
Speaker 6: a helicopter take you somewhere else? Everyone doesn't propose and
Speaker 6: I want to go, so like that's like my whole thought,
Speaker 6: like going through everything I was like so ready for
Speaker 6: and I was just like creating this false narrative and
Speaker 6: I was just like a shell of myself when I
Speaker 6: was there. Everyone's like, what's wrong with him? Why is
Speaker 6: he not like who I see on.
Speaker 15: That's the biggest thing that people keep saying. I'm like,
Speaker 15: if you know me, can see how miserable I am.
Speaker 15: I'm sitting there in the corner to say anything to
Speaker 15: mess up. Like the reason I made it so far
Speaker 15: too is like I want to make a joke about
Speaker 15: it every time. But I'm like I'm a man who
Speaker 15: learned how to shut the fuck up and just let
Speaker 15: her do all the talking. I was like just zipping.
Speaker 14: Question for everyone. Did you have a good time on
Speaker 14: Bachler in Paris?
Speaker 16: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, some people had better times than had a really
Speaker 1: good dam.
Speaker 10: I mean.
Speaker 19: I think the most fun. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 19: about you guys, but the night where I was Jeremy's
Speaker 19: birthday and we just all felt confected.
Speaker 8: What do we do for your birthday?
Speaker 19: Came but it just felt like everything was English like
Speaker 19: light and we had everything behind and.
Speaker 10: We were just like together as a group.
Speaker 11: It was the voting. The voting threw us all off.
Speaker 11: I lost the challenges. I thought it was great, but
Speaker 11: then the voting it well, it put.
Speaker 22: Us in a position where like, yeah, we don't want it.
Speaker 8: We didn't want to do that.
Speaker 16: Yeah, but I will say not having people come in
Speaker 16: allowed us to really Like, For me, it took me.
Speaker 16: It took the anxiety away of like, oh, well, my
Speaker 16: man's just gonna leave me tomorrow and make me anxious
Speaker 16: and insecure.
Speaker 17: So like to know that like our focus is.
Speaker 16: Each other and I don't have to worry about what's
Speaker 16: gonna happen the next day did help.
Speaker 19: Yeah, Bet are connections at the end, like we have
Speaker 19: such strong couples that came out of this.
Speaker 17: So I think it was a I love playing in
Speaker 17: the at least you're like, well where somebody would have came.
Speaker 6: And I and I also want to preface this, like
Speaker 6: I've seen online like this is just the worst cast
Speaker 6: of people. I genuinely never felt like anyone was rude
Speaker 6: to anyone in front of me. Besides obviously the last
Speaker 6: part was kind of crazy, but you're the villain of
Speaker 6: the year. But other than that, I feel like it
Speaker 6: was just such a good mix of people that I
Speaker 6: didn't know. I didn't have any friends that I knew
Speaker 6: coming in, Like I met I hung out with Sean
Speaker 6: and Dale once, and then I knew of Jeremy, but
Speaker 6: I didn't know him. So I felt like this cast
Speaker 6: was like I had to I had to create new friends,
Speaker 6: but I also had to create new relationship with the
Speaker 6: people you're with. So I think it was a really
Speaker 6: well done thing, like bringing everyone together. And like I said,
Speaker 6: the drama was kind of not existent for me. I
Speaker 6: didn't really feel like there was a lot of drama,
Speaker 6: like in your face, like I feel like every day
Speaker 6: everyone was very kumbayah, very very good, very having a
Speaker 6: good time. So I don't want to like have the
Speaker 6: show be tarnished because of like what they might have
Speaker 6: saw compared to what we felt on the beat.
Speaker 14: Well, listen, closing words here, Listen.
Speaker 1: I've done eight seasons of this show, and I know
Speaker 1: how hard it is to let yourselves be so vulnerable
Speaker 1: and open up to so many people. And I thought
Speaker 1: you guys did it the best of any cast I've
Speaker 1: ever experienced. You all gave everything to the show and
Speaker 1: to the people out there that are showing hate to
Speaker 1: a lot of these people that I love a lot.
Speaker 14: I have to just remember that you guys are real people.
Speaker 1: You have real feeling and words really do hurt. But
Speaker 1: I applaud you guys all. I'm glad that it worked
Speaker 1: for some of you. I'm glad you guys had fun.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed making drinks for you all summer long.
Speaker 6: They didn't.
Speaker 5: Can you make the drink stronger next time?
Speaker 1: All right? That concludes our Paradise reunion. Thank you to
Speaker 1: everyone for tuning in to Bachelor, Happy Hours, Bachelor and
Speaker 1: Paradise Unplugged. It's been an amazing evening. I want to
Speaker 1: thank the entire cast and the crew for an amazing
Speaker 1: Season ten of Bachelor and Paradise. And to all our
Speaker 1: listeners out there, make sure you subscribe because we're not
Speaker 1: done yet with the Paradise content. We have more interviews
Speaker 1: coming your way that you do not want to miss.
Speaker 14: Thank you, and good night.