1 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: Well, hey, Angel fans, Welcome back to Halo territory. I 2 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: am Mike di Giovanna, former Early Times Baseball writer and 3 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: host of the show, Joined today by Mark Trumbo, our 4 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: co host and former Angel slugger, and welcome back Sam 5 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: Blum of The Athletic. 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 2: How you guys doing today? Good? 7 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 3: Thanks Deech. 8 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 2: How are you doing fine? Doing fine? 9 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: How's everybody's handmade bones doing today? Everybody okay? Handmade check? 10 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 4: Uh, so far so good. I might head out and 11 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 4: take a few swings just to see if I can 12 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 4: join the club or not. But what a freak injury. 13 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 4: Three superstars already down. That's the odd injury at this 14 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 4: time of the year. 15 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: And that. 16 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 3: Do you think I can miss the next six weeks? 17 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 3: I don't know. 18 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: Good luck with that, Sam's Exclusive club, Mark two, we're 19 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: talking about Francisco Lindor, Cormyn Carroll Jackson. Holiday all down 20 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: with handmade injuries? 21 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: Mark? 22 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,199 Speaker 1: Do you ever injure a handmaid during your playing days? 23 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: How tough an injury is that? 24 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 4: Fortunately No, I never had a handmaid injury, but I 25 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 4: know plenty that have experienced it. It's one of those 26 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 4: things that sneaks up on you. I think it's not 27 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 4: something that really progresses. I think it's just kind of 28 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 4: usually on a check swing or something kind of out 29 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 4: of the ordinary, and next thing, you know, the guys 30 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 4: basically you know a great deal of pain and it's 31 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 4: usually pretty easy to identify what's going on too. So 32 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 4: for under normal circumstances, the recovery is fairly straightforward. Six 33 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 4: to eight weeks, maybe six if you're lucky, maybe a 34 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 4: little longer if you're not. But no, I'm okay here 35 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 4: so far. 36 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 3: If you're if you're an Angel sleeperstar centerfielder. 37 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: So sure. 38 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: Mike trut did have a little trouble with that injury 39 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: a few years ago. So Sam's joining us from Arizona 40 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: out at spring training. Pitchers and catchers reported this week, Sam, 41 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: I understand Perrymanesian spoke with reporters on Wednesday. 42 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 2: What can you tell us about that? Anything enlightening? 43 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 3: You know, there weren't any like patented back and forth 44 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 3: as we you know, have grown accustomed to. But you know, 45 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 3: I mean listen, I think anytime he talks, I kind 46 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 3: of start to assume that we won't get much information, 47 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 3: and pretty similar today, you know, really nothing. I think 48 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 3: one of the things that I find interesting about about 49 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 3: you know, what came out of today's Robert Stevenson said 50 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 3: he was dealing with thoracic outlet syndrome type symptoms, although 51 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 3: he's not really explored having that surgery, which would probably 52 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 3: sideline him. I don't know. I think maybe the whole 53 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 3: season if that were to, you know, be be an issue. 54 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 3: But to me, it's like, this guy is barely pitched 55 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 3: in two years. You know, it's hard to know exactly 56 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 3: if some of the other lingering injuries that he's had 57 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 3: are contributors to or connected to the thoracic outlet symptoms. 58 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 3: I mean, so really, I mean, they spend thirty three 59 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 3: million dollars on Robert Stevenson, and that's a very very 60 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 3: very expensive reliever arm. And you know, you only really 61 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 3: invest that type of money and if you hope it 62 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 3: and you would anticipate that reliever is going to be 63 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 3: a kind of a stalwart for you guys. So I mean, 64 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 3: this could end up being a pretty disastrous contract. Now 65 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 3: they have a clause that will enable them to get 66 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 3: a fourth year at a very cheap price because he's 67 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 3: had some elbow injuries but or shoulder injuries. But it's 68 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 3: it's still I just this is turning into a pretty 69 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 3: disastrous deal for the team. And I know he's upset 70 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 3: about it. I think everyone's upset about it, but it 71 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 3: doesn't kind of it doesn't really negate that fact. And 72 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 3: you also combine that with Ben Joyce kind of vaguely, 73 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 3: you know he's throwing, so you think voice is in 74 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 3: a better spot, but just we don't really know with him. 75 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 3: I mean, he's not stayed on the field his whole career. 76 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 3: You know, same thing with guys like Alec Mino, Grayson Rodriguez. 77 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 3: There's a lot of guys that kind of have to 78 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 3: show that they can be healthy even just through spring training. 79 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 3: And I don't I don't you know, know where that 80 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 3: leads this team, but those are really important pitches to 81 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 3: them having given a chance of success this year. 82 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to say, and I've heard baseball for 83 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: so long, I'm so conditioned to always expect the worst 84 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: when it comes to injuries. You start hearing thoracic you know, 85 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: thoracic syndrome, nerve issues, and these are some of the 86 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: problems that hindered Stevenson in the past. It just doesn't 87 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: seem like a really good way to start the spring. 88 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: Mark what you know of those injuries. These aren't things 89 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: you pitched through normally, are. 90 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 4: They They're not. Thorascic outlet is something that is not 91 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 4: what fans want to hear. It seems to be something 92 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 4: that lingers. You have nerve pain. It's usually an impingement 93 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 4: on the collarbone area, but it affects the throwing hands. 94 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 4: You'll get numbness, tingling, loss of sensation. Some guys have 95 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 4: some dead arm type stuff, and it's very strange. I 96 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 4: mean a lot of these injuries Santander, it looks like 97 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 4: he's going to miss the whole year too. Unrelated, but 98 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 4: coming into camp, maybe this is just the time you 99 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 4: do announce some of these things. But with Stevenson, I 100 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 4: believe Suzuki may have mentioned he's the favorite to be 101 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,679 Speaker 4: the closer tentatively, but if he is a week behind, 102 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 4: which I'd say that is conservative or optimistic, is what 103 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,679 Speaker 4: I guess I'm getting at. I don't believe it until 104 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 4: I see it is what in plain English. But that's 105 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 4: too bad. I think that this is the year that 106 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 4: most including him, really hoping for big things go out 107 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 4: there and earn the contract. And if you're going to 108 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 4: miss more time, it starts to look like the arm 109 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 4: is maybe pretty compromised at this point, So how much 110 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 4: durability is left for him? Wishing him the best, But 111 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 4: sometimes it's one of those things that just you can't 112 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 4: get ahead. 113 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 3: Of it, you know, Like I appreciate him being honest 114 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 3: about it, because that's just not the kind of information 115 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 3: that we would get offer in any other context. I mean, 116 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 3: he he gave that up. And so, I mean, I 117 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 3: just I wonder sometimes you know what what everybody in 118 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 3: camps will be dealing with, and it's it seems like 119 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 3: there's these are the kind of things we only learn 120 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 3: once it becomes absolutely necessary for someone or the team 121 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 3: to express it. But you know, so, I mean, what 122 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 3: we get out of out of Perry today, I just 123 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 3: it's just more of a whole lot of nothing. I mean, 124 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 3: you know, they're excited. He went through the whole rotation 125 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 3: and talked about how excited he is about each arm 126 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 3: and you know, I mean, you could talk yourself into it, 127 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 3: I guess if you want. But I I just have 128 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 3: this significant skepticism about the quality of this team right 129 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 3: now and their ability to compete at a high level it. 130 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 3: They just didn't do enough in the spring. And I 131 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 3: mean when you get to Perry discussing it, it's it's like, okay, uh, 132 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 3: you know. One of the things I asked him is 133 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 3: like why they've DFA had four guys and they kept 134 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 3: Anthony Rendon on the roster right, Like you know what, 135 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 3: I'm sure essentially I think it comes down to some 136 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 3: sort of deal that was made with the with with 137 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 3: Rendon essentially, like or with Boris. But it just like 138 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 3: it just adds to the whole Like and he won't 139 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 3: say what why they're why that? What what's happening there? 140 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 3: Like why are they defying four players that they've claimed 141 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 3: with that while keeping somebody on the team who's not 142 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 3: going to be on the roster this year no matter 143 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 3: what circumstance. It's just like kind of adds to the 144 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 3: whole chaotic mess, to this whole thing is And you know, 145 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 3: I mean there's so many other things. I mean, we 146 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 3: don't they don't even know how we're going to watch 147 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 3: the games this year, and they don't have a TV network. 148 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 3: I mean when the season starts in six weeks. I mean, 149 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: these are just things that need to get figured out now. 150 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to talk about these storylines of Spring 151 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: and we were expecting Robert Stevenson to be one. 152 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:02,559 Speaker 2: So soon. 153 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break for a word from 154 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: our sponsors and we'll be right back with more Halo Territory. 155 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 5: Aja, you know what I love about Hello Fresh, the variety. 156 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 5: Every single week, I can choose from over one hundred recipes. 157 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 5: That's a lot of recipes. 158 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 6: Agreed, you can go and you can narrow it down, 159 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 6: Scott to whatever you want. 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That's FT 174 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 5: one zero FM. 175 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 1: All right, let's get back to some of the storylines 176 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: of Spring Training on Halo Territory, Mark, what do you 177 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: think some of the big storylines are for you coming 178 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: into camp. 179 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 4: I think it's going to be hearing a little bit 180 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 4: more about the communication that Kurt Suzuki has with Mike Trout. 181 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 4: It seems like a little bit odd to me, but 182 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 4: I'm sure that there's reasons behind it. You wouldn't have 183 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 4: a conversation over the winter. You'd want to wait until 184 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 4: you have ninety players there and trying to manage all 185 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 4: of that to have. And I think, however, many years ago, 186 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 4: Joe Madden had a similar type thing could be wrong, 187 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 4: but seemed like it was a bit awkward, and eventually 188 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 4: I think Mike ended up either he moved or he didn't, 189 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 4: but it seemed a little bit, you know, awkward, And 190 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 4: so I don't know if that's what's going to happen 191 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 4: this year or it's just going to be simply Kurt 192 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 4: dictating this is what you're going to do. My assumption 193 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 4: is that there's not going to be a lot of 194 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 4: outfield play. I could be wrong, Mike. You know, there 195 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 4: is a point at times where guys are more productive 196 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 4: with the bat when they're playing the field, and he 197 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 4: might make that argument. I haven't asked him. I don't 198 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 4: think it'd be appropriate to, but it could be a thing. 199 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 4: I know that at times my numbers were far better 200 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 4: playing the field, even though you know the opinions were 201 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 4: mixed at best on how that rated. But could have 202 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 4: asked Keith what his thoughts were, but I'm pretty sure 203 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 4: I know. So I'd like to see that if it's 204 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 4: not Trout playing center, who is it going to be. 205 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 4: Adele is listed again and we saw last year, in 206 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 4: my opinion, is a much better right fielder than center. 207 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 4: Josh Low doesn't seem like a great fit there. We 208 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 4: got Tiodosio and Jose Siri, so that is a centerfield 209 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 4: is a somewhat of an open competition. I know Kurt 210 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 4: emphasized guys are going to have to earn. It seem 211 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 4: to be referencing maybe Christian Moore as well. I know 212 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 4: on maybe the last show or whatever. I said, you know, 213 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 4: what's or was the question to answer what stat line 214 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 4: is gonna get him a job? And I said staying 215 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 4: healthy essentially, I don't know two twenty two fifty. But 216 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 4: maybe there's a thought that he needs more seasoning. I 217 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 4: don't think that's the case. He does seem like the 218 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 4: best option over some of the other guys. Some of 219 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 4: the bench players too pretty light with the bat, and 220 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 4: I don't know. Meckler is a guy that hasn't been 221 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 4: covered much, but he's on base capabilities in the minor 222 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 4: leagues are hard to ignore. He may not be viewed 223 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 4: as a big piece, but I maybe a stretch. 224 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 2: I don't know. 225 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 4: I see a little Stephen Kwan when I see him, 226 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 4: and may not be the worst thing for a team 227 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 4: that strikes out a lot. 228 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:14,599 Speaker 3: That's well, that's what I'm curious about. It is like, 229 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 3: what's going to be the approach of this team because this, 230 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 3: you know, and especially you bring up a guy like 231 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 3: Christian Moore, who just was you know, I know he's 232 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 3: got that talent in him, but I think what you 233 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 3: saw last season was a poor approach to someone that was, 234 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 3: you know, swing for the fences and it was it 235 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 3: was really like, you don't want a three true outcomes 236 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 3: starting second basement under any circumstances, probably, but especially not 237 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 3: one who's like he just took the number eight pick 238 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 3: a week a year ago, so uh, you know, his 239 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 3: game was was so limited to home run strike ats 240 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 3: and he walked a little bit too, So that was 241 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 3: you know, it just wasn't it that that wasn't good 242 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 3: enough where he was last year. I think to be 243 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 3: in everyday, you know, starting in fielder in the major leagues, 244 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 3: I think he'd probably agree with that. But you know, 245 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, there's there's some interesting competitions, and I 246 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 3: mean I like, I agree with you, like maybe way 247 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 3: Mechler is interesting, but I also am kind of the 248 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 3: belief of, like, you know, we're talking about some just 249 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 3: not great options, and there's no disrespect to these players. 250 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 3: It's just like, you know, you want you want some 251 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 3: some guys. We've got some you know, proven abilities out there, 252 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 3: and you know, even if that's what your your options 253 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 3: are in center field, then you're putting yourself behind the 254 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 3: eight ball with Hora Claire. I mean, this is a 255 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 3: guy you're paying a lot of money to and if 256 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 3: he's if if if you know, Joe Dell's not starting 257 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,719 Speaker 3: in center field, then essentially what that means is one 258 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 3: of Mike Trout or Hora Solaires to play right field 259 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 3: and you know, or or has to play or has 260 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 3: to play the field. I mean, you know, like Horry 261 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 3: Solaire playing the field regularly seems like something that might 262 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 3: have to happen, and ultimately that's a very bad thing 263 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 3: for him and for the team. And just that the 264 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 3: competitions are interesting, but it's also you know, I'm not 265 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,599 Speaker 3: sure what the best case scenario in any of those competitions. 266 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: Kind of too, I think centerfield is going to be 267 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: a huge storyline, uh this spring. I'm gonna piggyback on 268 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: what Mark was saying. I've known Mike Trout since he 269 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: was a nineteen year old in his first spring training 270 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 1: with that Mickey Mantle crew cut, and he just he 271 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: doesn't like Dhing and most guys who play the field 272 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: don't like Dhing And I think he's more comfortable when 273 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: he's playing the field now health wise to me, And 274 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to go out on a limb here, if 275 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: Mike Trout is healthy enough to maybe play fifty percent 276 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: of his games on defense. Where are you gonna put him? 277 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: I think you're better off with him in center field 278 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: than Joe Adele in right field. Listen, Joe Adell was 279 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: a Gold Glove finalist in right field. What's twenty twenty 280 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: four right sim And Mike Trout is a natural center fielder. 281 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: So why would you put a Dell in center, a 282 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: position where he was ranked the worst defensively by Fangrass 283 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: last year among centerfield with eight hundred innings or more, 284 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: and take him away from a position that he's good at. 285 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: It's like the hippocratic oath approach. Do the least amount 286 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: of harm. You know, Mike Trout wasn't good enough and 287 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: right to me to warrant starting in right field over 288 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: Jo Adell. So you know, if Josh Low doesn't work 289 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: out in center, I just put Mike back in center. 290 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: Hopefully. 291 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: I just think he's due for a healthy year. Maybe 292 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: I'm really being optimistic. 293 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 3: That is an optimistic approach. 294 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: I know, I know I'm hoping for the guy. I'm 295 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: hoping for the guy. I'm not ashamed to admit I'm 296 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: hoping Mike turns it around. But if he's healthy enough 297 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: to play defense, I would put him in center. That way, 298 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: you move Adele to right, he keeps Solaire on the 299 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: bench where he belongs. Josh Low maybe not the best 300 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: left fielder in the game, but you know he's a 301 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: corner guy. 302 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 2: He can adjust. To me, It's not going to be an. 303 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: Outfield filled with gold gloves, but it's probably the least 304 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: worst defense about field that you can put out there. 305 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I would I agree with you. 306 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 2: Go ahead, Mark No. 307 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 4: I Just as far as the difficulty, I think there's 308 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 4: this thought that center field is far more demanding, and 309 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 4: it can be based on who's around you. I know, 310 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 4: years ago, I think Tory Hunter was having to cover 311 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 4: a lot of range. This is many years ago, but 312 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 4: Peter Borges came up at that point because leave Wan 313 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 4: to Bray. You was on one side and maybe excuse me, 314 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 4: one Rivera on one side, Bobby A Bray you on 315 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 4: the other, and that left Tory with three quarters of 316 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 4: the outfield at times to try and cover. So I 317 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 4: think in this case you have Adele who can You know, 318 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 4: it's not the fastest, but he can cover a lot 319 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 4: of ground, especially if he's playing the gaps, and Low 320 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 4: can do the same, and it's just a matter of 321 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 4: workload for Trout half the games. Sounds great, but that's 322 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 4: kind of choppy. You know, the lineup is going to 323 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 4: be changing a fair amount, and then you know who 324 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 4: is going to play behind him. The options are, you know, 325 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 4: maybe excellent defense, Tiudosio, very light with the bat, but 326 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 4: you know, I don't know, maybe he made some adjustments 327 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 4: series strikes out a ton, but excellent defense and fast runner, 328 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 4: so you gotta get on base to use that speed. 329 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 4: And I believe if we if we kind of jump 330 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 4: into that, some fan grafts as Selaires started in a 331 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 4: left field. So at least in the projections, and there's 332 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 4: some of these questions are going to need to be answered. 333 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 4: I assume the Angels have a plan already. They haven't 334 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 4: shared it, but I wouldn't want to be caught just 335 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 4: guessing at this point if five were them. 336 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not as confident in their in their pre planning. 337 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 3: I mean, it just just the way the way it goes. 338 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 3: I mean, I listen, they always say, like I think 339 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,959 Speaker 3: you you alluded to Joe Madden's kind of his issue 340 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two spring when he kind of announced that 341 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 3: Trout might be moving off of center before ever talking 342 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 3: to Mike, and so now basically it's become an annual 343 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 3: tradition of, well, we'll get our Mike Trout questions answered 344 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 3: when Mike Trout arrives in camp, Like they won't say 345 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 3: anything about him until he's there, until they talk to him. 346 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 3: And you know, it's I don't know how much Kurt 347 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 3: did or did not talk to Mike over the offseason. 348 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 3: You know, I don't want to read into it too much. 349 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 3: There aren't too many position players camp to begin the spring, 350 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 3: I don't, you know, I mean, I don't know if 351 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 3: that that's a thing or not, if that matters or not, 352 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 3: or if it's worth reading into. I mean, there's a 353 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 3: couple I saw, like Christian Moore, you know, if he's 354 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 3: here early. I mean, there's certainly, certainly some guys, but 355 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 3: and you know, like Nelson Roda and some of them, 356 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 3: maybe the Nons guys, but you know, some of the big, 357 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 3: big guys haven't showed up yet. So I'll be curious 358 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 3: when they get here kind of you know, what's what's 359 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 3: been the level of communication? You know, where do things 360 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 3: stand with all these guys? You know, I mean, I mean, 361 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 3: I don't know, I look at the team last year 362 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 3: they went they won seventy two games, but I think 363 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 3: in a lot of ways they were probably better than 364 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 3: their record. I mean, they won a ton of one 365 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 3: run games relative to their actual record, and they stayed 366 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 3: healthy in the pitching side for the most part until 367 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 3: the very end of the season. So you know, and 368 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 3: right now their depth is worse. I mean, their bullpen 369 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 3: is worse, their rotation is worse, their lineup is worse. 370 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 3: I mean, so what, you know, we're getting to a 371 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 3: point where it's like, you know, we can talk about 372 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 3: all these competitions, you can talk about all the you know, 373 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 3: the ins and outs of where players might be, but 374 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 3: it doesn't really matter if you're probably looking at a 375 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 3: team that might lose one hundred games. I mean, it's 376 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 3: it's it's I think that's kind of where things are 377 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 3: with with where the fan base looks at this team, 378 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 3: certainly how I look at them. You know, it's just 379 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 3: like at this point, get a collection of twenty six guys, 380 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 3: throw them out there and prove to us that they're 381 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 3: even worth really assessing on this level, because you know, 382 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 3: I mean, like today asked Kurtzuzuki, be like well, how 383 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 3: do you measure success? Right, ask them, how do you 384 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 3: measure success at? How much are wins in loss is 385 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 3: going to play a role in that in that measurement? 386 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 3: And and you know, his answer kind of multiple times was, well, 387 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 3: wins and losses are kind of out of your control. 388 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 3: And I think on a you know, on a certain level, 389 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 3: that's true. Right, like you are, there are certain games 390 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 3: where you might be just the better team and you 391 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 3: will still lose. And there might be certain games that 392 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 3: you are the worst team and you will win. Obviously 393 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 3: that's how that works. But I think that over the 394 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 3: course of one sixty two you are probably going to 395 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 3: be about as good, or close to as good, or 396 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 3: around as good as you should be. And I just 397 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 3: think it's very new and kind of evasive to say 398 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 3: that wins and losses are out over your control the 399 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 3: whole point of playing. If they're out of your control, 400 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 3: then why are you playing the games? I just kind 401 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 3: of roll my eyes at the comment, and I don't 402 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 3: think it's the right answer. And after eleven years of losing, 403 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 3: to kind of dismiss the value of wins and losses, 404 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 3: I mean, this is a fan base that wants wins right, 405 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 3: they deserve wins, you know. I mean really, last time 406 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 3: Mark Trumbo took the field least and they were winning 407 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 3: any games. It's for the Angels, that is, you know. 408 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 3: So it's it's this has just been way too long, 409 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 3: and I think it just was the wrong message to 410 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 3: send to your fans that the wins and losses aren't 411 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 3: part of what you can control. Because that that's why 412 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 3: you're here, that's why you're spending six weeks in spring, 413 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 3: that's why you're signing guys, that's why you're paying guys. 414 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 3: You want to make it within your control. So it 415 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 3: is in your control. 416 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: Mark. What was your reaction to that quote as a 417 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 2: former player, especially. 418 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 4: Well, I think it's what you say when you know 419 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 4: that there might be some growing pains. My honest answer 420 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 4: is what he I think he is getting at is 421 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 4: focused on the process, which is under your control. It's 422 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 4: something that you hear a lot, it is, and it 423 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 4: is true. You if you focus on the results and 424 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 4: chasing the results. Let's say, as a hitter, you just 425 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 4: you want to hit three thirty and you're just getting 426 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 4: you know, completely obsessed with the results and cutting out 427 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 4: the process part of it. It can be a very 428 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 4: uphill battle. Some guys are far motivated. Let's take Albert 429 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 4: for example. He was always acutely aware of where his 430 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 4: statistics were. His run scored were a big deal. At 431 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 4: times he would try and take the extra base. You 432 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 4: may recall sometimes out by ways, but it mattered. And 433 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 4: I'm not trying to, you know, say, because he's a 434 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 4: Hall of Famer and was excellent teammate to me. But 435 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 4: sometimes guys are motivated by that. But for a younger team, 436 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 4: I think Kurt's saying to block out the noise. It's 437 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 4: all I know is my experience. And I've had some 438 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 4: debates with guys that are currently not managing but bench 439 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 4: coaches throughout the game. And you know, we've just gotten 440 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 4: into these arguments about me saying the big leagues is 441 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 4: about winning, and I've been told that I'm wrong. It's 442 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 4: about the process. And I said, what in the world 443 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 4: are you talking about. I can so understand the process 444 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 4: of the minor leagues, But the big leagues, we're here 445 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 4: to win. That was always what I was told. That 446 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,239 Speaker 4: was always the goal. I mean, the minor leagues are 447 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 4: where you flesh the stuff out. There is a process there. 448 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 4: If you need to improve certain things. You're on base percentage, 449 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 4: your stolen bases, your technique in the field. That is 450 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 4: what a process looks like in the big leagues. This 451 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 4: is playing for keeps. This is big dollars, big money. 452 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 4: You know, we're trying to win. I don't know if 453 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 4: that message is stale or it is out of fashion. 454 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 4: I don't think it is. That's what I would say. 455 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 4: Maybe not just you know, over and over again, but 456 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 4: that is the intent. We're here to win baseball games. 457 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 4: I think the fans are interested in them winning baseball games, 458 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 4: but maybe we can get to it too. I think 459 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 4: the Pakoda projections came out. Do you have those in 460 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 4: front of you by any chance? 461 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: Leader? It was sixty five wins this year, and I 462 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: always laughed because back in the day, Mike's Soshio with 463 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: the Pakoda preseason prediction would always undersell the Angels, and 464 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: they would they would always surpass their to and need 465 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: Social was always sure to let us know how many 466 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: games they passed Pacoda for predictions. But sixty five wins, 467 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,239 Speaker 1: if you do the math, I believe that comes out 468 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: to ninety seven losses. 469 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 2: I don't know. 470 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: I think they're going to do a little better than that. 471 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 1: Once again, I'm being optimistic. Maybe I just feel like 472 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: they're due for a little some kind of karma better luck. 473 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: Not that they deserve it, but sixty five and ninety seven, Wow, 474 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: that is a brutal season. 475 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 3: What do you think, Sam, I mean, and I hear 476 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 3: what you're saying about Zeke's comments, and I do think 477 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 3: that is what he was intending to say. You know 478 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 3: about process, and that is that's the right way to 479 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 3: look at it at times. Right you want to be 480 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 3: process oriented. That will lead to I guess, I guess 481 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 3: my feeling is if you're process oriented, then you are 482 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 3: acknowledging that these wins and losses are in your control. 483 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 3: This isn't this This isn't a passive game of like, oh, 484 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 3: we'll see what happens. You know, it's you got to 485 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 3: go and play the game in and take the wins. 486 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 3: I mean, this is you know, this is this is 487 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 3: the big leagues. And I totally agree with I don't know, 488 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 3: I don't know who the bench coaches are that are 489 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 3: talking my opinion sideways about this topic, but you know, 490 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 3: this is this is for keeps. They should be going 491 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 3: and doing everything they can to win, especially when it 492 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 3: comes to a team that just hasn't. And you know, 493 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 3: you talked about you asked Papa Coda, like you know, 494 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 3: I think that's I don't agree with your optimistic or 495 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 3: outlook on this. I don't. I think that sixty five 496 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 3: may be right around, if not better than what I 497 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 3: kind of will see it as I mean, but again, 498 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 3: I've I perfectly willing and hope to be wrong about it. 499 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 3: I think it would be nice to be wrong about it. 500 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 3: It'd be nice for someone to be able to gloat 501 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 3: about outdoing projections. I just I just don't know how 502 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 3: you can sit there and expect it when all you've 503 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 3: signed this offseason are reclamation projects while allowing you know, 504 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 3: some proven players like you know, Kenley Jansen Taylor Ward 505 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 3: to kind of walk out the door. I mean, the 506 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 3: hundred one was driven in. Now. I think that taylor 507 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 3: Ward also contributed to some of the offensive issues when 508 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 3: it came to strikeouts and approach and things like that. 509 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 3: But you know, he also was productive and he had 510 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 3: some really really big hits for that team last year. 511 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 3: And so I don't know, I just I would probably 512 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 3: take the under on the sixty five, but I you know. 513 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 3: I I also think that it's there's there's a lot 514 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 3: that they can control, and they should, you know, there's 515 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 3: a lot that they can do to them to outdo 516 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 3: those projections if they're you know, really following what they're 517 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 3: they're practicing with their preaching and actually you know, doing 518 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 3: the process correctly. Because I have a lot of issues 519 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 3: with the process over the years as well. I don't 520 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 3: think they've done a good job. 521 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 2: With that mark. You got the over under on sixty five. 522 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 4: It's probably I think that they might do a little 523 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 4: bit better. I think they might also be capable of 524 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 4: doing worse. It really is what Sam was saying. And 525 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 4: when you look at it the depth, it's then like 526 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 4: if well, I former teammate trained man seeing he would 527 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,239 Speaker 4: probably be the natural choice. Let's say Shannel unfortunately had 528 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 4: to miss some time. You have that at catcher, we 529 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 4: look very thin, at third base, very You start to 530 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 4: go around and well, I guess Darnault would but and 531 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 4: he's probably going to do better than he did last year. 532 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 4: The statistics were poor. It didn't seem like he ever 533 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 4: really got it going. He is getting older, so I 534 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 4: think and o'hapi is somebody that I've wanted to touch 535 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 4: on because he is a big part of this deal, 536 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 4: and you know, per social media, he was. You know, 537 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 4: a lot of guys go there drive line the other 538 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 4: day practicing what looked like a very violent swing. They 539 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 4: don't always have full a tire on either. There it 540 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 4: seems like but chasing the answer pilosity and I have 541 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 4: thoughts on that, and I don't always agree. It's not 542 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 4: how I have seen the best go about their business. 543 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 4: I know it's trendy, but he's a big, strong guy, 544 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 4: I guess, searching for an extra couple miles an hour. 545 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,479 Speaker 4: But it very similar to pitchers you know that are 546 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 4: chasing just a little bit more. You wonder where these 547 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 4: oblique injuries comes from in the game, and you take 548 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,719 Speaker 4: enough swing with that kind of violence, the body is 549 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 4: just you know, you can't do it. I know, hitting 550 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 4: in the homer in Derby. I did it twice for 551 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 4: those that care, and it was one of the most 552 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 4: tiring things I've ever done. It took two weeks to recover. 553 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 4: I probably at times have regretted doing the second one especially, 554 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 4: and that was one where I felt the oblique was 555 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 4: maybe about to give and I kind of shut it 556 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 4: down at the end if you were watching closely, which 557 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 4: you know, I don't know if any homer in Derby 558 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 4: is a little bit long in the tooth in my opinion, 559 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 4: But and we never there was no financial incentive then too, 560 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 4: maybe a truck or something, but anyway, I didn't win. 561 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 2: Maybe sour grapes. 562 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 4: However, the way these guys are training with the bat, 563 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 4: I'd like to see the ability to use the whole field, 564 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 4: and I don't see any of that when I watched 565 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 4: the reps that I was seeing the other day. Happily 566 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 4: be proven wrong. I hope he has a great season, 567 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 4: but that that path I saw a big red flag 568 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 4: in my opinion. 569 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean with a HOPI I mean it's the 570 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 3: power and the exit youlo. I mean, I hope that's 571 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 3: not the way he's looking at this, because he really 572 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 3: didn't hit for like five home runs after middle of 573 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 3: May last year. But I don't think it was because 574 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 3: he lacked power. I think it was pitch election and 575 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 3: he wasn't able to just slider. I mean it was 576 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 3: you know, he was just kind of just swinging on 577 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 3: a lot of pitches out of the zone. I think 578 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 3: that's where his issue is so I don't you know, 579 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 3: I haven't really gotten a chance to catch up with 580 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 3: him too much outside of you know, quick hello. So 581 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 3: I'll be curious to kind of get a sense of 582 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 3: what he focused on this offseason. But because I mean, he's, 583 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 3: like you said to me, he's such a wild card 584 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 3: for them. I mean, the potential to be you know, 585 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 3: an all star caliber major league catcher I think is 586 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 3: in there, but he's so far away from it right now. 587 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 3: And you know, I think mentally at times has just 588 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 3: been so lost that you know, you know, you stop, 589 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 3: you stop thinking about mechanics, I think, and you stop 590 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 3: thinking about some of the more granular things. Then maybe 591 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 3: he's working on a drive line and you start to 592 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 3: just be like just you know, just just be able 593 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 3: to process disappointment better, be able to you know, regroup 594 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 3: and you know, make an effort to really you know, 595 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 3: to to connect with your teammates and and and I 596 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 3: think these are the things that will really help him 597 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 3: be a more successful player at the big league level. 598 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 3: Less so, uh, you know, getting the extra velos on 599 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 3: the swing, because you know it might be helpful. Maybe 600 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 3: we'll get him a couple more homers. But I don't 601 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 3: really think that was his issue, and I'm not sure 602 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 3: he'd be I'm not saying I disagree with what he 603 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 3: approached it, because I don't know what he's everything he's done, 604 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 3: but I think that's what where he needs to improve most. 605 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, Logan o'hapi is a youngster with a lot on 606 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: his plate this spring. In addition to all these offensive 607 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: issues we're talking about, he was ranked the worst defensive 608 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: catcher in baseball by Fangrafts last year minus ten defensive 609 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: runs saved, minus nine point four framing. 610 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 2: I mean these are all I mean. 611 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: I'm guessing Mike's Sooshia would not tolerate that kind of 612 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: defense from his catcher. He's got a lot on his plate, 613 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: so it's gonna be written to me. That's another big 614 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: storyline of the spring and going into the season. You 615 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: know he's got improved offensively and he definitely has to 616 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: improve defensively. Let's close the show by talking a little 617 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: bit about their rotation. We know they have three locks 618 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: in the rotation, Kakuchi, Soriano, Debt, Meurs. I personally think 619 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: Grayson Rodriguez and Alec Manoa have the inside line on 620 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:43,479 Speaker 1: those last two. 621 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 2: Spots. 622 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: But there's still some pretty good pitchers out there, you know, 623 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: Zach Gallon, Zach Vittel. As of Wednesday, any inclination Sam 624 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: did this come up with Perrymanesian at all today? Is 625 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: there any thought that they might at least be able 626 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: to add some pitching depth. You know, there are guys 627 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: out there who could at least when these guys invariably 628 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: go down with injuries, could help. 629 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 3: I think depth is not out of the question in 630 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 3: terms of adding. But I don't think you're gonna see 631 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 3: a Gallon or anybody's too per I'd be shocked at 632 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 3: this point for a lot of reasons. But I don't 633 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 3: think that's happening now. You know, you never say never 634 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 3: with the Angels, But from what I from I understanding, 635 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 3: I don't think Gallon's really on the table. I don't 636 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 3: really think some of those higher end free agents that 637 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 3: are out there are really going to be on the table. 638 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 3: I mean, I find it interesting. I mean, look, the 639 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 3: Rockies went out in gun Jose, Kintana the other day. 640 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 3: I mean, I know the Angels have already tried that 641 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 3: once before didn't work very well in twenty twenty one. 642 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 3: But I kind of think those are the types of things, like, 643 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 3: you know, if you're the Angels and you're like at 644 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 3: least trying to acknowledge it, trying to you know, telegraph 645 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 3: a sense of contention. I think getting a player like 646 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 3: Kantana or you know, or even Michael Lorenzen who the 647 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 3: Rockies also signed, like those are you know, also the 648 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 3: player for the Angels will try to find success with 649 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 3: in the past. So, you know, I think that's that's 650 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 3: where I didn't really fully understand their offseason. I understand 651 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 3: why they try to you know, limit things, but would 652 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 3: it have been crazy to go out and sign a 653 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 3: mediocre starting pitcher for eight million dollars who can just 654 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 3: you know, eat some innings. It seems a little bit 655 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 3: surprising to me that that wasn't the route they really went. Instead, 656 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 3: they went really cheap with like a two million dollar 657 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 3: reclamation project in alec Manoa, who you know, obviously has 658 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 3: probably more upside than any of those pictures from what 659 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 3: we've seen in the past, but also is about four 660 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 3: years removed from being even a you know, viable starting 661 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 3: picture at the big league level, so you're really risking 662 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 3: him not even being an option for you, depending on 663 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 3: kind of where he's at and how he performs, and 664 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 3: then you know, I mean beyond them. I mean you 665 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 3: mentioned some of their good arms, but I'm skeptical guys 666 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 3: like Dana and Aldegary and class and like these guys 667 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 3: being really ready to go and just kind of take 668 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 3: that next step. They haven't shown it yet. Maybe they 669 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 3: will this year. Khanawit's kind of in that camp too. 670 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 3: Obviously struggled so much last season. He's not really even 671 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 3: in that conversation right now for the rotation at least 672 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 3: as far as you know, kind of has been talked 673 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 3: about publicly. So you know, there's there are guys, there 674 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 3: are names, there are people on their forty man who 675 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 3: could start for them. I just I wonder about the depth, 676 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 3: and I wonder beyond even really two. I mean, we 677 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 3: we add Debtmer's as a kind of a sure thing, 678 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 3: but I mean he hasn't started games and since twenty 679 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 3: twenty four, and when he did, he wasn't very good 680 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 3: at it. So you know, it's no insult to in. 681 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 3: He just really struggled that at that role and has 682 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 3: to prove that he can kind of do it consistently 683 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 3: because he's he's shown flashes of brilliant, but it's it's 684 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 3: been very very very very very inconsistent. 685 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 2: He did throw a no hitter Angel fans or four 686 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 2: years past. 687 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 3: Then it's just I mean Arry brought it up too, 688 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 3: and it's like, yeah, I think it's been a while, 689 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 3: you know, it was just this this guy's for this 690 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 3: guy's development has kind of been all over the place, 691 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 3: and and I wonder how the I mean, he was 692 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 3: good in the bullpen for quite a while last year, 693 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 3: but it really wasn't you know. 694 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: Mark, why do you size up the rotation at this point? 695 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,479 Speaker 1: What would you like to see out of this group? 696 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 4: I think that despite the comments about going to have 697 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 4: to earn the spots, I think the spots are more 698 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:13,280 Speaker 4: or less solidified. Kohanowitz, I pronounce that I think that 699 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 4: that one was I botched a young man's name on 700 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 4: the Keith Live, so I won't try and have that 701 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 4: happen again. A little bit of a secure name. But 702 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 4: I think he has a lot more promise. I did 703 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 4: see some videos this winter, and it's the highlight clips, 704 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 4: so take it with a grain of salt. But he 705 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 4: abandoned to me his bread and butter last year, which 706 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 4: was a power sinker. I saw a lot of flat 707 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 4: four seemers. I don't know what that was about. He 708 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 4: really maybe was trying to lean into the velocity craze. 709 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 4: And but he doesn't have a fastball that really is 710 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 4: effective in that regard. He doesn't throw it by guys, 711 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 4: So he is a ground ball pitcher to me, I 712 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 4: don't care if he's throwing ninety three, but if he's 713 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 4: chasing ninety eight ninety nine and it's flat, it's going 714 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 4: to get whacked. I mean, that's just the reality. I 715 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 4: know Otani, even his fastball, basically, if it's not in 716 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 4: the upper nineties or above, it gets whacked. It's the 717 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 4: you know, they have the data to prove it. And 718 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 4: that's why he has to resort to throw in as 719 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 4: hard as he does. It's not a knock. You know, 720 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 4: his off speed is excellent, but he can't get away 721 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 4: with doing that now. He doesn't have that sinker ball 722 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 4: that Kohanowitz does. Cayden Dana is a long ways off 723 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 4: in my opinion. He in particular, I believe at one 724 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 4: point last year they accentuated his release point was seven 725 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 4: inches or so different on his breaking ball, and for 726 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 4: a big league hitter that is that is child's play. 727 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 4: You will see that from a mile away. If I'm 728 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 4: slightly awful tracked later on, it was a big deal. 729 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 4: It's so obvious to a seasoned hitter, it's not even funny. 730 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 4: So you can make that adjustment very quickly. If it's 731 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 4: a hangar, it's going to get banged. Otherwise to just 732 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 4: spit on it as a ball alde Gary long ending guy. 733 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 4: To me, I'm not sure what just maybe he maybe 734 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 4: he's he would be a candidate that would benefit from 735 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,760 Speaker 4: gaining some velocity. But manoah looks like he's. His fitness 736 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 4: looked pretty good. I think that's a big deal. Everyone's 737 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 4: very interested in that. He looks trimmer than before, so 738 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 4: that's good. And I think Grayson Rodriguez a lot. His 739 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 4: stuff is way too good of healthy to not challenge 740 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 4: for even better than the fourth spot. And I believe 741 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 4: Detmer's lost his arbitration. Maybe Sam, you can clarify. 742 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe so that's what I read at least, 743 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 3: And I agree with you on Khanna. It's actually like 744 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 3: if he's you know, he'll have every opportunity to get 745 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 3: back in this thing. I mean, you know, it's there's 746 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 3: a reason they let him kind of go out there 747 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 3: as much as he did last year. And I think 748 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 3: it was because it's like we've seen it, like it's 749 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 3: seem in this twenty twenty four when he was pitching, 750 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 3: he was really he was probably the best picture for 751 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 3: like a stretch of for almost two months. So it's 752 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,320 Speaker 3: in there. I just don't know if he's a starter, 753 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 3: and I don't know how that translates at the big 754 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 3: at the big league level when it comes to you knowing, 755 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 3: I mean, he can he can pitch very efficiently. Even 756 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 3: when he struggled, he can allow eleven runs and go 757 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 3: seven innings. I mean it's because it's it's pitches, you know, 758 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 3: pitches to contact largely. I mean, though he had some 759 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 3: more walk issues last year. I think I'll have every 760 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 3: opportunity and ultimately, you know, there's gonna be opportunities for 761 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 3: a lot of these guys. 762 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 4: That's that is. 763 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,799 Speaker 3: You know, if somebody steps up, if somebody is good, 764 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 3: you know there's there is there is an avenue here, 765 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 3: but you know, there's just there. There is just nothing 766 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 3: that has been shown so far that makes me really 767 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 3: confident that they have a stud big league pitcher in 768 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 3: this core right now, you know, outside of maybe the 769 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 3: two locks to the rotation and maybe Grayson Rodriguez if 770 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 3: he's healthy. 771 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna end on that note. Thanks for 772 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,240 Speaker 1: joining us today on Halo to Territory. Please like and subscribe. 773 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: Mark Sam appreciate all the input. As always, we'll see 774 00:38:52,120 --> 00:39:07,320 Speaker 1: you next time on Halo Territory