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Speaker 1: Pats from the Past.

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Speaker 2: Tune in is Matt Smith and Paul Perillo offer in

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Speaker 2: depth interviews with some of the greatest players and coaches

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Speaker 2: in New England Patriots history.

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Speaker 3: Joined by the newest member of the Patriots Hall Fame,

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Speaker 3: Mike Rayblow.

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Speaker 2: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments

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Speaker 2: in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight.

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Speaker 4: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian

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Speaker 4: Hoyer're joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, but

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Speaker 4: number one in our hearts at least, Rodney Harrison.

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Speaker 5: Good to be home, Good to see you.

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Speaker 2: Guys search for Pats in the past anywhere you get

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Speaker 2: your podcast.

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Speaker 6: So bad for sure.

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Speaker 4: Good will be a thought on the opportunity that you

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Speaker 4: guys have. The games has been changed to a you know,

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Speaker 4: a primetime marquee matchup time for twenty five going into Buffalo.

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Speaker 4: You know the weather, you know the team. How do

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Speaker 4: you guys look at us The opportunity on Sunday.

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Speaker 6: He is a huge opportunity.

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Speaker 7: Obviously, we play these guys, you know, two of the

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Speaker 7: last three weeks and it's a divisional game. We're going

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Speaker 7: on the road. I mean, this is an awesome environment.

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Speaker 7: Buffalo is a cool place to play, so tremendous, tremendously

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Speaker 7: talented football team.

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Speaker 6: Obviously they're playing great this year.

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Speaker 7: And so it's it's a tough challenge, and so you

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Speaker 7: got to be excited for the challenge.

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Speaker 3: Your story, cloth stories, public friends.

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Speaker 6: Did you experience anything like that in college? Oh?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's very similar to the South,

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Speaker 7: to the SEC a little bit. You know, there's a

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Speaker 7: lot of bad blood for sure, So you know, they

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Speaker 7: take a lot of pride in their team. You got

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 7: You know, a very passionate fan base that brings a

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Speaker 6: You have sixty two.

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Speaker 8: Receptions, which is a career high.

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Speaker 6: What's the significance of that too.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's it's always good to achieve a

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Speaker 7: milestone that, you know, you I had a lot and

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Speaker 7: I feel like that was like my fourth or fifth year.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, it's always good to have a new milestone,

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Speaker 4: Obviously you'd like to pull off the upside on someday.

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Speaker 6: Help clean your mind. What would be the perfect game

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Speaker 4: Guys to play, to do in order to accomplish that

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean we got to start fast because this

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Speaker 7: I look at especially our first round, we were moving

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Speaker 3: Twetal of receptions as a Patriot, ninety five or four

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Speaker 6: You know, want have a hat production.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I take a lot of pride and just trying

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Speaker 3: Stadiums can be loud, but there's the atmosphere in Buffalo

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you gotta be We're gonna have to be locked in.

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Speaker 6: Starting the team.

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Speaker 7: Knowing that you're going up against Josh Allen in the

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean definitely.

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Speaker 4: The opportunity of a Marque matchup can whether or and

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Speaker 4: what can to you guys to kind of get you

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Speaker 1: Here at the end of the year.

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Speaker 6: Yes, Buffalo is a great team. We already told ourselves

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Speaker 6: It's a great environment. Yeah, it's always loud, always high energy.

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Speaker 6: That's one of the two places I think it's always

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Speaker 4: Every quarterback is good in the NFL, but if Josh

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Speaker 6: Yeah, with the quarterbacks now, they do a great job

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Speaker 9: You remember that this is going back to when you

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Speaker 9: including the playoff games at the end about Josh's performance,

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Speaker 9: So you question, what do you remember about those three

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Speaker 6: It's a long time ago in the last two of them. Okay,

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Speaker 6: so he's been getting better.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, you're getting tired of losing to these guys

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Speaker 6: I mean, I get tired losing in general. I don't

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Speaker 6: But our goal is always put our best foot forward,

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Speaker 7: Week, te mentioned how Kyler Murray and Josh Allen are

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Speaker 6: Versus Kyler Murray's on. So Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, Ar Richardson,

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Speaker 6: Lamar Jackson, all these guys can run the ball. All

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Speaker 6: to to get him off his game and speak of

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Speaker 4: Maybe, what are some things you think you did well

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Speaker 6: Some things you like to improve on keeping him in

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Speaker 2: The last game, in the process of change in the page,

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Speaker 2: what stead of to you defensively did the guys did

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Speaker 6: Talking about last game we played the Bills, I'm sorry, okay.

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Speaker 5: To be frank.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking that probably was a tough team.

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Speaker 6: To watch for the defense. Don't want to put words

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Speaker 9: Do we get the churny with that?

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Speaker 6: But I would say just finishing place would be I

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Speaker 3: Lot about allen skilled players, Dean Dawkins, uh, and in

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Speaker 10: Please feel free to smile at this guy. Jonathan Jones.

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Speaker 6: Oh that's awesome.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's awesome.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'll try to revert the curse back to around

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Speaker 5: Thank you guys. I always enjoy speaking with you guys.

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Speaker 5: Like I said, I try to revert that curse and

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Speaker 6: To those guys.

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Speaker 8: Definitely, Yeah, man, he's he's legendary. He's legendary around these parts.

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Speaker 1: Mike toughness to answer hard questions.

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Speaker 8: Sometimes it's tough, but I think when you you don't

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Speaker 5: And Jonathan, hey, you talked about you want to reverse

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Speaker 6: So I believe your tenth season you're wrapping up at

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Speaker 5: Sorry, uh, Where are you at career wise? Do you

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Speaker 6: How does your body feel?

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Speaker 5: I love the game. I still enjoy playing it. I

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Speaker 5: You can ask how he you know, avoided that curse.

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Speaker 5: That'll be next. I asked those guys, say what can

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